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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this this therapy Thursday is looking a little different.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do things a little different today because

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Speaker 2: we have I GE's so like, you know, how like

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Speaker 2: you have a secret.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't taybe earlier.

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Speaker 2: I can keep a secret if it's a pinky swear,

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Speaker 2: But if you don't pinky swear me, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to probably tell it's contractually binding with her, and

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Speaker 2: if you don't, then all it's all bets off.

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Speaker 3: It also took me eleven years to figure that out.

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Speaker 4: Well, I grew up in Michigan, so I just knew

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Speaker 4: it would work just what we do.

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Speaker 3: I'll just figure that out today.

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Speaker 1: So I've had, you know, a few things that I

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Speaker 1: have been.

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Speaker 2: Not talking about because you know, I just want to

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Speaker 2: do it when I'm ready. And so I've got an

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Speaker 2: announcement today, an announcement next week, and who knows from

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Speaker 2: there what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I'm here as well, by the way,

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Speaker 5: speculating as to what this would be, would you say,

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Speaker 5: East and I have been speculating as to what this

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Speaker 5: might be because we're completely we've been told only that

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Speaker 5: there's an announcement happening. You got to be there. It's going

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Speaker 5: to rock the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Mark, we miss you.

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Speaker 2: It's always I love that there is something juicy.

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Speaker 5: Well that's what I was told. So here I am,

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Speaker 5: and I'm I'm I'm very excited to hear this.

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Speaker 4: We are your funky bunch. I hope you're ready, buckle up.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: So well, I guess before, I mean, Mark, how are

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Speaker 2: you catch us up on your life?

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Speaker 5: Oh? I'm fine, Thank you. Nothing exciting happening with me.

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Speaker 5: Thing's fine, kids are good, wife's good, everything's fine.

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Speaker 1: He's like, and back to you, Jana.

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Speaker 5: Yes, back to you. Nobody's nobody's tuning in for me.

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Speaker 1: When's the last time we talked?

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Speaker 5: Mark?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Boy, I don't. I don't know. It's been many months.

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Speaker 6: I mean, wasn't he speculating about your boyfriend at the time?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Even think because that was in November. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: because you had once said there was a little nugget

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Speaker 2: that you had said that I made people. And I

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Speaker 2: was like, hey, Mark said this a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: that this is the person that he thinks I should date,

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Speaker 2: and I said no, never, And so when people were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: do you have a boyfriend, and I like, you know,

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Speaker 2: what does he do? And I said it's interesting. Mark

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Speaker 2: was right, And so then people went back to listen

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Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, he must be in soccer.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we haven't even spoken since then.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I told Mark when he tuned in, I

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Speaker 4: was like, I've grown an entire human since the last

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Speaker 4: time I saw it.

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Speaker 1: I've multiplied.

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Speaker 4: Sure, have we've missed you? You missed the baby shower.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be back. Yeah, I'm sorry, It's okay,

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Speaker 5: it's condolence. So yeah, I'm nervous.

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Speaker 1: You should, so am I And I don't know why

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Speaker 1: you knew.

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Speaker 3: I know, but I'm so nervous.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I did you did?

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Speaker 4: I did what you did?

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Speaker 5: I go?

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Speaker 1: I did?

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Speaker 4: I bet?

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Speaker 1: I bet everybody listening would like to know what we're

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Speaker 1: in on?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 1: What do you think Mark and Easton?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? No, nothing, we thought about Easton and I speculated

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Speaker 5: on that you're ending the podcast. We speculated on the podcast. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think that would certainly rocket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that would just roll it out.

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Speaker 5: No, we were concerned that there's something involving your ex husband,

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Speaker 5: but that doesn't seem to be the case, just judging

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Speaker 5: by the basic demeanor of the room. So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm lost.

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Speaker 4: For once it doesn't revolve around the ex husband. That

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Speaker 4: feels good. Doesn't it all feel good to say?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 4: I would say we're into a new chapter. Go ahead, Creamer.

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Speaker 2: So Alan and I have been dating for November December

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Speaker 2: januor very March April May, six and a half months.

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Speaker 1: When you point five it.

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Speaker 4: You know you're going for cholf life. When you point

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Speaker 4: five it okay?

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Speaker 2: And he uh, he asked me to marry him.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, you need.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Look at Easton's face.

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Speaker 3: Mark, Oh my god, Mark, Dad's here.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Oh I just can't.

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Speaker 4: I've froze that in my memory forever, the looks on

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Speaker 4: your faces.

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Speaker 5: Mark, Mark. Some said he didn't ask for permission first

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Speaker 5: from him? Where was that called?

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Speaker 2: Oh he did, he did ask for permission, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: not to you.

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Speaker 5: No, it's a podcast, daddy podcast.

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Speaker 1: Daddy abandoned me and I have issues about.

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Speaker 5: So. I mean, wow, six and a half months in a.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think if the average listener right now

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Speaker 5: is thinking to themselves, this seems a little fast considering

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Speaker 5: what we've been through previously. Very it seems like she

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Speaker 5: might be in a place where she would want to

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Speaker 5: take some time I am on something like this and

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Speaker 5: not rush into anything right for fear of it, for

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Speaker 5: fear of it ending painfully.

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Speaker 4: Would we also agree, though, that in our growth, I

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Speaker 4: like that we are all marry Allen at this point?

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Speaker 4: Would we also agree that Janna's discernment is a little

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Speaker 4: tighter now because we know what we like and what

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Speaker 4: we don't like, and we know what we will settle

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Speaker 4: for and what we won't settle for. So perhaps we

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Speaker 4: don't need to wait ten years because we're pushing forty,

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Speaker 4: and we can just marry who we love when we're

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Speaker 4: ready to marry them.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a happy medium between six months and

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Speaker 5: ten years. Have you hit six months with anybody since

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Speaker 5: you're divorce?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And certainly not six point five, not even three?

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Speaker 5: Okay, And so no qualms whatsoever? So I guess, Okay,

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Speaker 5: let let's let's let's focus on the positive. Let's focus

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Speaker 5: on the event at self. Where was it, how did

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Speaker 5: it go down? And did you see it?

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Speaker 1: Coming me or Jan.

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Speaker 5: I was shocked.

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Speaker 1: Okay, continue, where are you though? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Really, yes, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: I really was truly, I feel like you guys were

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Speaker 2: expecting it, like back in December, like a month and no.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not a good liar. I really didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I definitely was expecting it in December. It without a doubt.

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Speaker 1: Am I the only one? You're a changed woman? I

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. I know that I

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Speaker 1: didn't expect it in December.

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Speaker 6: I didn't mean it in that way yea, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: and like that, I feel like y'all are perfect for

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Speaker 6: each other way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, let's get to my favorite part the romance.

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Speaker 7: Hold on.

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Speaker 3: He hasked some questions and Jane has answer them.

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Speaker 2: Sorry. He took me and a romance the kids. So

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Speaker 2: we had some people over during the day, like a

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Speaker 2: took me and the kids. He's like, hey, let's it's

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Speaker 2: a beautiful night. Let's go for a walk and let's

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Speaker 2: go walk up to the new house. So I was

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Speaker 2: just like okay, And so we walked up and the

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Speaker 2: but like my house is going to be done in August,

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Speaker 2: so you know, the house is really coming along, and

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Speaker 2: so like to go there to check up things or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So it was a really beautiful night, and me and

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Speaker 2: the kids were all sitting like after they ran around,

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Speaker 2: we were all sitting on the front porch of the

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Speaker 2: And he he was like.

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Speaker 1: He said my name, and.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got up or whatever, and then he

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Speaker 2: got down on one knee and then Julie just started

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Speaker 2: jumping up and down. It was the cutest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: It's like she knew what was happening.

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Speaker 3: Oh before he even really said anything.

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Speaker 2: she started jumping up and down and then she's like,

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Speaker 2: kind of left out at that point. He said some

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Speaker 2: It was like a few sentences. Yeah that feels said,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're the love of my life, and I

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Speaker 2: just I you know, will you marry me something? Something something, yeah,

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Speaker 2: things address, yes, a dress, and then I and we

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Speaker 2: And it felt very sentimental given the front porch of

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Speaker 2: like the new house and new beginnings, and it just

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Speaker 2: watched the sunset and just it was It was perfect.

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Speaker 2: I could not have We were actually supposed to be

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Speaker 2: and so we ended up staying here. But I honestly

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Speaker 2: like that is exactly what I would have wanted, was

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Speaker 2: that the house. And didn't he ask you, like what

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Speaker 2: he should do or not what he should do kind

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Speaker 2: of conversation. All of a sudden, Alan's like, hey, Catherine,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a couple of couple conversations.

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Speaker 4: I am just still a little in awe that you knew.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that day, So he didn't even know

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Speaker 1: he was doing it that.

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Speaker 3: Day, Yeah, which could not have been more perfect.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, otherwise I knew well, Alan doesn't trust me,

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Speaker 1: so I talk to him about that. He gets you know,

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Speaker 1: so what did what did he say to you? Well,

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Speaker 1: the first.

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Speaker 6: Conversation, y'all were going to Jamaica, so we were kind

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Speaker 6: of talking about around that, like, you know, he's like, well,

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Speaker 6: you know, did do I get to do I tell

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Speaker 6: all of our conversation?

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Speaker 1: We hold nothing back here?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, I mean it's not that big of a deal.

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Speaker 6: But like he was like, you know, so I was

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Speaker 6: thinking in Jamaica, but like I feel like that's kind

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Speaker 6: of expected and not that you know whatever.

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Speaker 3: So maybe I did before we go and blah blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: a good question. We didn't, you know.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've always kept it tied, so I personally think

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Stay tuned. Should we get Alan on, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Let me text them right now, call them. Is he

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Speaker 4: And that feels very unbranded? I kind of knew.

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Speaker 1: Come on.

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Speaker 7: I hope he answers and says something nice. Hey baby,

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, alright, bye, I gotta plug in the another mic.

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Speaker 1: I just plug it in. Yeah, okay, welcome to wind down, Allan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Is this Alan's first time?

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Speaker 1: This is Alan's first time.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually shocked you're here.

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Speaker 1: I am too good of I am to That's great though.

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Speaker 1: Should we get started, Yeah,