WEBVTT - 81: The Last Splash with Karina Longworth

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Nightcall, a production of My Heart Radio. It's

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<v Speaker 1>PM on Main Street, USA, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to night Call, a podcast for your strange

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<v Speaker 1>days and lonely nights. I'm in Los Angeles and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tess Lynch. With me as always are Molly Lambert and

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Oshda. Guys, we have a special guest coming later on.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we have our special guest, we have another

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<v Speaker 1>special guest. This is my favorite science news of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a lot of requests for the blob, certainly did.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll read a night email from Josh that says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>this may be too soon following the worm with eyes

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<v Speaker 1>on its butt. But the para Sue has a blob

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<v Speaker 1>that has no mouth, no stomach, and no eyes, but

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<v Speaker 1>it can detect food and digest it. It also has

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and twenty sexes, can move without legs or wings,

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<v Speaker 1>and heals itself when cut in half. Oh, and it

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<v Speaker 1>apparently learns to sleep well. Josh, I will sleep well

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<v Speaker 1>because I love this blob. I'm obsessed with it. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks kind of like yellow lace. It kind of has

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<v Speaker 1>a coral like appearance. It's sort of cloudy and sort

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<v Speaker 1>of brain like, and it's it's structure, but it's well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to tell when you look at the pictures

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<v Speaker 1>because I at first thought that it was that the

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<v Speaker 1>log that it's on was part of the blob. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just the kind of fungus looking thing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know if it's a fungus or an animal.

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<v Speaker 1>When you click on the link, it doesn't get less scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it's a collection of unice, cellular or ganisms, slime mold. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is a time lapse or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but that kind of branching thing that it does as

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<v Speaker 1>it moves around, it does look like the um ribbon worms.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys ever seen these videos? Oh, it's really upsetting.

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<v Speaker 1>Um there are these sea worms that live really like

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of the ocean. There are some viral

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<v Speaker 1>videos that went around where and if you bring them

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<v Speaker 1>up to sea level, they're not really built to withstand

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure or the lack of pressure I guess at

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<v Speaker 1>sea level and um, so they kind of become really

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<v Speaker 1>red and inflamed, and then they throw up their digestive

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<v Speaker 1>system and it looks like that it looks like this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of lacy thing that kind of just shoots out, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually uh basically killing itself to try to

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<v Speaker 1>find food. Uh. Sad, But it's also kind of like awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>not in the sense it's yeah, it's like something Russian

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<v Speaker 1>deep sea fishermen would have. Yeah, I think he might

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<v Speaker 1>have maybe had one of those. I can't remember. It

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<v Speaker 1>definitely looks like a c sponge or something. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>very much like an underwater feature. Well that's like that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff like coral and sponges, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>really in this like weird gray area between being an

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<v Speaker 1>animal and being a plant or like a mold or

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<v Speaker 1>something like. It can learn, right that they didn't give

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<v Speaker 1>enough information about the learning, because yeah, they say that

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can mush two of them together and

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<v Speaker 1>what one has learned will be transmitted to the newly

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<v Speaker 1>formed blob, and that you can cut it up and

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<v Speaker 1>it will come back together. But like, what does it learn?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it? What did you teach? The one thing

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it should be a master of Isa

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<v Speaker 1>has seven sexes? What does that mean? Okay, so that

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<v Speaker 1>means the seven sexes are really mating types as explained

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<v Speaker 1>there was a thread one of my favorite Twitter accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>NYC Southpaw. I was like, what is this and then

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<v Speaker 1>had a clip from an article from j Store where

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, basically it is. It's so hard to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap your brain around. They're so cool about sources of

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<v Speaker 1>mitochondrial DNA available to the blob, any of which can

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<v Speaker 1>combine with another to produce a zygote. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>read it like four times, and I think that's when

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<v Speaker 1>it was yeah, I can I can wrap my head

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<v Speaker 1>around that, versus when I thought it was someone genders.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, tell me all of them. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know them. All that rules it does. I

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<v Speaker 1>love things that are in between species and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what they are. It seems like it must have

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<v Speaker 1>been um like very like it's one of these things

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<v Speaker 1>that must be like super ancient. It's just one of

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<v Speaker 1>these very rudimentary life forms that also feels like hyper advanced.

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<v Speaker 1>When you start thinking for people are very like, oh why,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were like it's going to take over like

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<v Speaker 1>the blob Well yeah, I mean they did name it

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<v Speaker 1>after I. The way, it was so weird because I

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<v Speaker 1>just recorded the blob that blob for a minute. The

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<v Speaker 1>Horror movie. I love that movie. It's so scary. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really scary. It takes a long time to get into

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<v Speaker 1>its freakiness. A face yeah, um, I like movies like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the remake also scary, pretty gross. I've always scartting

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<v Speaker 1>the Blob to be one of the scariest monsters of

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<v Speaker 1>all the monsters because you can't get through to it

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<v Speaker 1>because it has no face. It has no face. It

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<v Speaker 1>like isn't a thing that we recognize as being like

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<v Speaker 1>an animal that we know, but it's totally blievable, as

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<v Speaker 1>like space goo would be some sentient space goo. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the kind of scary aspects of the Terminator,

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<v Speaker 1>but without a human body exactly identify with. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>the metal coming together. That's the scary part is that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't destroy it. It will and in a way

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes like more invincible, or it heals itself because

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<v Speaker 1>it can learn, because each new Blob becomes a big

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<v Speaker 1>blob again because but all so because it can learn

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<v Speaker 1>from the experience of having been cut in half, presumably,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can learn new tactics to avoid being cut

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<v Speaker 1>in half. So essentially like by being able to continually

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<v Speaker 1>merge with other blobs. It could be completely omniscient, a

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<v Speaker 1>giant organism made up of a billion tiny little omniscient organism.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're going to be one day. Can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>a borg my hive. But for good Um, guys, is

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<v Speaker 1>the blob our animal of the month? Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know if it's an animal. It's just start

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<v Speaker 1>our friend. Yeah, it can be the Night Call mascot.

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<v Speaker 1>Very close. We might be the mascot. Yeah. Should we

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<v Speaker 1>take another science icebreaker? I think so. Um. This one

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<v Speaker 1>is also from Live Science, our favorite source of science news, vetted, vetted,

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<v Speaker 1>and forget it um. This story is by Stephanie Poppas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a scientist implant false memories into bird brains. This

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<v Speaker 1>one blew my mind even more than the blob thing

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<v Speaker 1>because it's impossible, presented very matter of fact. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>scientists of taught little birds to memorize a tune without

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<v Speaker 1>ever learning it, and they did so by implanting memories

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<v Speaker 1>of the songs in the bird's brains. Okay, so basically

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<v Speaker 1>what this really is though, So zebra finches learned to

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<v Speaker 1>sing from their father's like baby zebra finches are taught

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<v Speaker 1>by their fathers. They're so cute, adorable. There are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the cutest birds. So scientists used um some optogenics,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically kind of pulsing light to control the

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<v Speaker 1>bird's brain cells. And I think there's a there's a

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<v Speaker 1>quote from Live Science. By pulsing light in a rhythm,

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<v Speaker 1>the researchers were able to encode memories in the finches

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<v Speaker 1>brains such that the bird's notes would match the duration

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<v Speaker 1>of the light pulses. It was as if a father

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<v Speaker 1>figure were making these instructions for the bird to memorize,

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<v Speaker 1>but no father finch was present. God, it's terrifying. What's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting about it is so I guess scientists were

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<v Speaker 1>doing this kind of to see if they could teach

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<v Speaker 1>nonverbal humans to speak by kind of bypassing any therapy

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<v Speaker 1>and going directly into the brain, which I suppose could

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<v Speaker 1>be good and useful, But we're kind of cynical. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like maybe not did we I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about it on the show, But there was

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<v Speaker 1>another article about some experimental military technology that was about

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<v Speaker 1>like beaming sound messages to people from far away, so

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like you can hear it inside your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I remember that stuff like that, just real

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<v Speaker 1>man Charian candidate. I think we'll be texting each other

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<v Speaker 1>with our brains within the next thirty years. This was

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<v Speaker 1>something about people getting chips and planted no thanks, oh

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, like the people are starting to do the

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<v Speaker 1>credit card stuff and personal information. Don't do that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was already against Apple watches, like using Apple watches

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<v Speaker 1>to like have your your your credit card and you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting texted, getting a vibration on your body. I hate

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<v Speaker 1>Apple watches so much. I'm still shocked that I I'm

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<v Speaker 1>friends with people who have Apple watching. Oh I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>friends with any of your friends with them. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can push them over so that their watch will hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground and chatter, you're doing them a favor. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, um, what what was the thing? I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to remember what you're talking about though? With the the

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<v Speaker 1>sound waves like uh, like triggering a memory or something

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<v Speaker 1>or like transmitting information. I mean, I know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've been watching country music still, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was a radio station that this guy, this crazy guy

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<v Speaker 1>started just on the other side of the Mexican border

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<v Speaker 1>that was like a super transmitter station that was like

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<v Speaker 1>the signal was the strongest, Like I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>even legal to make a signal this strong anymore, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was like so strong that in nearby farms, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had a fence, like a metal fence, you could

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<v Speaker 1>you could touch it and you would hear the radio

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<v Speaker 1>like it would transmit through your body. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>get this will be foreshadowing for our guests, but I

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<v Speaker 1>got Radio Disney through my phone line always. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>that because we live near a radio transmitter that was

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<v Speaker 1>at the time Radio Disney, and so anytime I was

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<v Speaker 1>on a landline phone, it would here faintly like Britney Spears.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was in the late nineties, early um, which

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<v Speaker 1>explains a lot about me. Obviously. I had an acquaintance

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<v Speaker 1>Onan's who received a radio station through his I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was his landline and he lost his

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<v Speaker 1>mind and covered his house in tinfoil. Who yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it would do something that's inescapable like that, that just

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it's in the air that's being transmitted either

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<v Speaker 1>through your phone line or through like you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>footage in your house or something. I mean, that would

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<v Speaker 1>make you go crazy. Yeah, that's very disruptive. Then what

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<v Speaker 1>if it trained you to sing a song? Right? Right? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>How do that's how? That's how. That's how. When you

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<v Speaker 1>know a pop song for the first time, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I know it already. It's because it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a plant in your brain already. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a good ginge Eeto story. Right, I'm gonna go work

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<v Speaker 1>on this or flash research and confirm it. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>things listening to you and you listening to things, should

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<v Speaker 1>we take a night call? Yes? Okay, this one comes

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<v Speaker 1>from April. Hi. Friends, I've been a big fan since

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<v Speaker 1>the Girls in Hoodies days. I've been going through your

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<v Speaker 1>archive and wanted to share my personal My phone is

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<v Speaker 1>a spy experience. I was listening to another podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>they made a joke about Swedish fish, the candy. They

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<v Speaker 1>maybe said the brand four times. I laughed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for several minutes. I never said the word Swedish fish

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<v Speaker 1>nor retold the joke to anyone, Yet one day later,

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<v Speaker 1>there were ads for Swedish fish on my Facebook account.

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<v Speaker 1>This was terrifying. Have any of you received ads for

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<v Speaker 1>something you never googled nor said, but heard through your

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<v Speaker 1>phone via a podcast or other audio Thanks night call, April.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm almost positive I have. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it makes It depends maybe if you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to it on speaker phone, which I'm half the time.

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<v Speaker 1>If I listened to a podcast, I'm just listening to

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<v Speaker 1>it on speaker phone or like in my car, so

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<v Speaker 1>my phone would be hearing it. Uh, But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also but it's also kind of hard to tell

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<v Speaker 1>something like Swedish Fish, where it's obviously you're not listening

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<v Speaker 1>to a podcast. It's like the Swedish Fish podcast. But

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of times I'll get stuff like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>uh like blank check recently or they're still in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of like doing a mini series on me Azaki,

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<v Speaker 1>so I like get a ton of mi Azaki ads

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But it's also like that's just the content

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<v Speaker 1>that I crave anyway, So I don't know, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>really differentiate it, but I feel like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there have been I've definitely like to keep mind confused

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<v Speaker 1>by what just talking about nonsense, listening to nonsense, just

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<v Speaker 1>by my own media consumption habits that are probably weird

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<v Speaker 1>and confusing. Like I got concerned because I got there

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<v Speaker 1>was like a d WP rebait where you could get

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<v Speaker 1>a Nest thermostat for free. No no no, no, no

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<v Speaker 1>no no no I did it. No no no no

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<v Speaker 1>no no no no. Well my reasoning was, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, my DWP bills really high. Maybe this will help.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I just saw today about how the Nest

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<v Speaker 1>is just always listening to you, always kind to recording

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<v Speaker 1>what you're saying, listens. It has an audio function. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it lights up, it lights up in front of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was the thing that came out. I came out

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<v Speaker 1>that the people do Nest and Ring whoever that is,

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<v Speaker 1>well Nest is Google or its Google, that they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like make partnerships with police service people, being like,

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<v Speaker 1>we will give you whatever we hear. Okay, but theoretically

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<v Speaker 1>Ring has issued a statement claiming that they don't. It's

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<v Speaker 1>up to you to believe it or not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but I ended up getting the ring

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<v Speaker 1>just because someone rang my doorbell a ton of times

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in the shower and it made me

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<v Speaker 1>absolut Maybe they were doing it to try and get

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<v Speaker 1>you to buy a ring. I know now I'm under

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<v Speaker 1>the silver Lake about it. But well the next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel less anti nest just because it

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<v Speaker 1>like will supposedly reduce your energy. That's good thing I felt.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt almost like I had to because I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I live in an old house with like systems,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, anything to it away reduced my

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<v Speaker 1>energy and take by moving off the grid, Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>let us know when you do that time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay, it's okay to have enough surveillance devices out

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<v Speaker 1>of my life, I want. I was just thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>it today because I was like, I went for a

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<v Speaker 1>walk without my phone and I felt so relaxed, and

0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, what if I was never stressed out?

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<v Speaker 1>But you could just do that too, like you can

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<v Speaker 1>just like, but maybe how hard it would be? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I have a computer, all the computers

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<v Speaker 1>or microphones now and cameras, Like what would it take

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<v Speaker 1>to actually get back to a because it is crazy

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<v Speaker 1>just to think about, like in the Watergate era when

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<v Speaker 1>people were taping things, how much more you need to

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<v Speaker 1>do to make that happen. Now it's like everyone is

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a free surveillance device on them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's something to be said for trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like have a lot of time away from those

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<v Speaker 1>things but still having them because you kind of need

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<v Speaker 1>them to be part of society and you really don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be catering to topple. This was posting about

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<v Speaker 1>a phone that's supposed to be for kids, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was like, it's really for parents. It's like a throwback phone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a Jitterbug. It's which is the phone for

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<v Speaker 1>old people that I would also interested in Jitterbug. They

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<v Speaker 1>only advertise it in like Parade magazine. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like phones too hard, too small and hard to read,

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<v Speaker 1>and you too many functions, and you don't want all

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<v Speaker 1>these apps and things. It's just a phone that's got

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<v Speaker 1>like two buttons, and the buttons are like call emergency,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't text from it. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>can text from it. I think it's just like a

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<v Speaker 1>brick phone. This is the problem with those phones is

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel like it's not that uncommon. My perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on it is that I wish phones only texted and

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<v Speaker 1>you could not speak with someone on the phone. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do away with. I also don't want the

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<v Speaker 1>internet on it. I don't want the Internet. I want

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<v Speaker 1>it to be a texting phone and camera phone. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what the baby phone might be, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>give it to me, jitterbug, jitterbug and or baby phone

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it's called. Sponsor nightcall, please sponsor nightcall. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I just want the jitterbug because I I like, as

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, now, I like to talk on the phone. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's like, hey, do you still like to

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<v Speaker 1>talk on the phone. But the numbers and letters need

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<v Speaker 1>to be really big for you to see they're dialing.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the buttons is like life alert. Probably well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you never know, Like I'm never gonna say no,

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<v Speaker 1>like never to having a life alert phone. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>get up, you need a jitterbug. Yeah yeah, falling and

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<v Speaker 1>not being able to get up as U does not discriminate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the reason to have a phone. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's yeah. That's like I'm not saying there are no

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<v Speaker 1>times when it's good to have a phone. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>tell a quick story? The other day I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the dentist. I've already told Molly and I only like

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<v Speaker 1>so much about my trip to the dentist. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I don't think I told them yet was I

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<v Speaker 1>went with my husband to the dentist because we hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been to the dentist in a really long time. We

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do more moral support, so we went and

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<v Speaker 1>then he got a call that he had to be

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<v Speaker 1>at work in like half an hour, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>still getting dentist did so I was like, okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>go and all like get a ride share and then

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<v Speaker 1>I realized my phone was dead and it took we've

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually I was like, I'll walk home and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like two and a half miles, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I can do it. But then I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, but without my phone see things like

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<v Speaker 1>that I want. That's what else. It's like, what if

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<v Speaker 1>the power did go out for some reason, what if

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<v Speaker 1>theres an what if there's yeah, what if the big

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<v Speaker 1>one happens or whatever? And we're all like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have our phones and then your phone won't work because

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<v Speaker 1>in a huge emergency like that, then the cell everything's overloaded,

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<v Speaker 1>so your phone's like like everyone's so unprepared for their

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<v Speaker 1>phones not to work. We had an event where we

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<v Speaker 1>tried to do a meet up recently that was thwarted,

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<v Speaker 1>in part by the fact that our phone and work

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the mountain and Griffith Park. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>mountain's right to take away. I prefer not having service stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That was also humbling to me because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we are no better than Caroline callawe. We you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes things go wrong on the day of an event

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<v Speaker 1>and there's nothing you can do because it's out of

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<v Speaker 1>your control. Whenever Mason Jars are just piling up to

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<v Speaker 1>do whenever like the power goes out, You're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh right. The one thing that I kind of try

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<v Speaker 1>to pride myself on, especially now that I'm driving again

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<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles, is like I can get around without maps,

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<v Speaker 1>like and I know, yeah, but you know what's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>is that David recently tried to get a map, like

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<v Speaker 1>a paper map, just to like have out so that

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<v Speaker 1>he could kind of get a lay of the land

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<v Speaker 1>of Los Angeles. You cannot buy one anywhere, really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you have to like order one online, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just go to like seven eleven or like

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<v Speaker 1>any random like news stand or whatever you want. But

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<v Speaker 1>you could get one drug store triple a for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Still maybe and I bet you could get one maybe

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<v Speaker 1>on Hollywood Boulevard, but probably a star map right might

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<v Speaker 1>be limited. How maybe the DMV I face you can

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<v Speaker 1>just swing by easily and take anything a number for

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<v Speaker 1>your map. David might enjoy a star map, which is

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<v Speaker 1>different from like an observatory. Star maps are terrible. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very really outdated. Most of them are like like Johnny

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<v Speaker 1>Carson's house, right, some of them are not. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like star maps are like I have a real vogaboo

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<v Speaker 1>about star maps, and I wish I didn't exist. But

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<v Speaker 1>there should be a restaurant's map that's just like cool,

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<v Speaker 1>like historic restaurant. I just like a map, like I

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<v Speaker 1>like a Thompson guy that has like every single street

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<v Speaker 1>you know, alle maps I really like, or those novelty

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<v Speaker 1>maps they have on the walls places sometimes where things

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<v Speaker 1>are drawn in a cartoon fashion on it. I had

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<v Speaker 1>one of those of my neighborhood where I'm just like

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<v Speaker 1>looking at my house. Some cartoon is like, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>at the Laurel can in a county store country store

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<v Speaker 1>that is really good. Um is it just a Laurel

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Canyon offair? It's love Laurel Canyon, which is also really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to look at at a big Griffith Park map

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<v Speaker 1>today also, and maybe we should all go back to maps, Carphy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love maps. I'm so bad at reading them. You

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<v Speaker 1>know my position on maps. I love them. I would

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like my dad would always just be like, just

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<v Speaker 1>look at a map, and it would be like, it

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<v Speaker 1>means nothing to me. Landmarks. I want landmarks. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>good with directions? Like with like north southeast west. I

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<v Speaker 1>need the kind of directions that are like make a

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<v Speaker 1>left at the church, you know, like if you're like

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<v Speaker 1>go north and then go west. I'm like, well, now

0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 1>all the Google navigation services are like take a left

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<v Speaker 1>at the Starbucks. Like it's like Starbucks and other companies

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<v Speaker 1>paid for them to be off right. Well that too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, am I if I gave up the convenience

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<v Speaker 1>of having maps on my phone? I would have to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to read a map really Like I know

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not going to go back to the Thomas Guide,

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<v Speaker 1>but what you know, i'd probably be better for me

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of maps really quickly. Um, we were talking at

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<v Speaker 1>some point about Pokemon Go collect Yeah Pokemon, Yes, this

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<v Speaker 1>is like prime nightcall to the point where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>did we already talk about this? Yeah? Did we know

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<v Speaker 1>this already? It feels in retrospect obvious. I'm bringing it

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<v Speaker 1>up even though we didn't have it on the agenda

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<v Speaker 1>because all I could think about since this came on

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<v Speaker 1>my radar was like, so, POKEMONO is developed by a

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<v Speaker 1>company that also developed another sort of map geocashing kind

0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.359
<v Speaker 1>of software, that is the software they use in Pokemon Go.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out this whole startup was funded in part by

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<v Speaker 1>in q Tel, which is the CIA's venture capital start up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was terrified you. You played Pokemon Go, right, Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>But did you know I played? I watched Emily play

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<v Speaker 1>the Way to do It? Um. Yeah, so I'm they

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>have all my data via you guys. I'm just it's

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 1>called in Q tell. Yeah, it's called in dash Q

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.760
<v Speaker 1>dash Tell because the Q is like Q from James Bond,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the branch of the CIA that deals in

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.959
<v Speaker 1>like new technologies and new gadgets. And I'm breaking your

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.600
<v Speaker 1>brain right now. Oh no, I'm just like, I hate

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<v Speaker 1>I hate when nerd ash ship isn't like Silicon Valley Slash.

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they've always done stuff like that. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>know I hate it and we all hate it, but

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<v Speaker 1>also like it feels like a thing that everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about more and more because you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't want to give up maps to have

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<v Speaker 1>a Thomas Guide, but like I'll give up Prime to

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<v Speaker 1>not fund ice. Okay, so we totally knew this already,

0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Like Ashley Feinberg actually wrote about this in Gawker, like

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<v Speaker 1>in um, I think that this had come out at

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<v Speaker 1>some point. Maybe it was just like something that was

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<v Speaker 1>being discussed on on Reddit boards. Yeah, I think it

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.360
<v Speaker 1>was known that it was the same software as this

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 1>other thing that was clearly project. It was called Ingress Game,

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.919
<v Speaker 1>which is a really scary name for a game, and

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anybody played it, but then as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you slap a cute peek atch you on it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, y'all gotta do it. I know people

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.400
<v Speaker 1>who still play Pokemon too. Uh. And you know, it's

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.199
<v Speaker 1>not Pokemon's fault that they're the game who became the

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<v Speaker 1>face of this. It could have been any game. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, you can play let's go peek at

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<v Speaker 1>you from your house and not move and no one

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.240
<v Speaker 1>will track you and no one will know. I think

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>just what we're talking about, though, is like the difficulty

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:46.360
<v Speaker 1>of becoming a person who's not being tracked. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like impossible to angle yourself from right now, right, which

0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 1>is why we all are so depressed. Well, we have

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<v Speaker 1>which is all about the Song of the South. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk to her about uh weird buried Disney

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 1>features and uh theme park rides and lots of Disneyland.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay tuned for that. Welcome back to Nightcall. We

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<v Speaker 1>are joined today by our very special guest and one

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<v Speaker 1>of our favorite podcasters, Corina long Worth of the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>You Must Remember This. Welcome Corina to Nightcall. Hi, thanks

0:24:56.400 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>for having me. I'm so happy to be here. Welcome back, Welcome. Well,

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>actually you only were on in during our live stream,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>isn't that right? Now? I was on one, but it

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>was only me and Test in the l A studio.

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. I forgot to see. I have

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 1>a weird memory now that I'm in the studio. It's like,

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:14.879
<v Speaker 1>there's so many guests that we've had that I've just

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>been like virtually communing with that. Yeah, we've also had

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 1>guests that not all of us have had in a

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>variety of podcast configurations, which is true. Can be like

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>when Chris Call came in, I was like, we've done

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:30.080
<v Speaker 1>this before, and you guys are like, uh, Karina, welcome,

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.040
<v Speaker 1>We're so happy to have your Karina is debuting the

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>new season. I believe it starts tomorrow. As of when

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>this comes out of her podcast, you must remember this,

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and we're all very excited to hear that it is

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 1>about a very contested property in the Disney Plus catalog.

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<v Speaker 1>Song of the South. Yeah, that's kind of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that Bob Iger has said that this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one film that they will not put on Disney Plus.

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Does that mean everything else will eventually come to Disney Plus?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I saw people saying there were some other random

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<v Speaker 1>catalog titles. Yeah, I mean, I think they haven't ruled

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>anything else out entirely the way that they have this,

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 1>But I also I think people are just confused about

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 1>rights issues right now, Like nobody really knows exactly what

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Disney owns because they acquired all of Fox. But some

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>things like that were released by Fox don't count as

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Fox movies, and some things that Disney release don't count

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>as Disney movies anymore. Yeah, I thought they were giving

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 1>up the rights to the Miyazaki movies. Yeah, they already had,

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I think, which is somebody else is going. They gave

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it to HBO, which I'm like, that's to me one

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>of the crown jewels of like if you're gonna help

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.639
<v Speaker 1>National Line but draw. Then I was arguing with somebody

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>about the Disney jobs, which I think are bad, mostly bad. Yeah,

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>there are some good ones. We could do a whole

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>but I was also like, think, God will never have

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<v Speaker 1>to look at like John Lasseter's horrible face student those intros. Ever, again,

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the worst part of the Disney release. I mean,

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's why they gave it up. I don't know. Yeah,

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>so why did you decide to do song in the South.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was just as like a a thing where

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<v Speaker 1>I had been asked by some people to see if

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I could help them try to figure out a TV

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>show idea set in basically like classical Hollywood but black people. Um.

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>And so I was like doing some research just about

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>the history of African Americans in Hollywood and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out different storylines, and I came to The Song

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>of the South as being you know, surprisingly, I guess,

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>but one of the first movies that was made by

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>white people starring a black person. So, um, this guy

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 1>James Basket plays Uncle Remus, who's a kindly older African

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 1>American gentleman on a plantation right after the Civil War

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>who befriends a little white boy and you could say

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>he's magical. Yeah, I mean he really is like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the prototypical magical Negro in X and this was

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a really big part for a black actor in Hollywood. Um.

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>So I you know, that was just sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the films that I came across in this research.

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>But I came across a fact that I had never

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>known about it, which was that it was written by

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>a white communist named Maurice Rapp, who was blacklisted immediately after.

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>And so I was like, oh, if there's you know,

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of how my thought process usually works

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>with putting together these seasons, which is like, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that I find out about something that I

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>had never heard of before, I just basically try to

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 1>figure out are there other things? And was Song of

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the South like pretty quickly like all of the sort

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>of pearls started lining up to form a necklace. And

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>now we have six episodes called the Six Degrees of

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Song of the South. Does each episode focus on like

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a different aspect of the Song of the South saga?

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Basically like the first episode is, you know, just sort

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of why does this movie exist and what is it

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>like to watch? Which I felt like I had to

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>explain because it is not commercially available and hasn't been

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>for how did you see it? So they did release

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>it on laser disc in Japan I think in the nineties,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and so there is a digital version of that that

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>is sort of floating around. And I actually like, I

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.959
<v Speaker 1>didn't torrent it yesterday or anything like for some reason.

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>It was on a hard drive that was in my

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>house and has been for a long time. So it

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>was like on a hard drive of movies that I

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>think we're probably like torrented or ripped from other sources

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>like a long time ago. So I don't actually know

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>where to tell people to go if they want to

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>see it, even illegally, but I'm sure you could figure

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>it out. You said that it was released four times theatrically, right,

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and the last one was in eighty six. Yeah, so

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I saw it when you saw it? Yeah, um, yeah.

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I felt like I had seen it growing up, but

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it was just because they were still putting

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>songs from it, sequences from it on sing along. Maybe

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I had seen it, but then I was like, I

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>really don't know that I have. I just know like

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Zippity Duda, which was definitely on a Disney sing along,

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:56.959
<v Speaker 1>and I remember, like I thought it there was a

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>clip of like the Laughing Place that was chured in something,

0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>because I definitely remember that. Well there it's obviously in

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Splash Mount. What I think there was maybe like there

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>were clips, I think because I watched a lot of

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like Disney Afternoon and where those things were sampled. We

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 1>were talking about this a Pruter film a lot recently

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>as being that was once really hard to find and

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of the the inability of people to watch it

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>added to its mythos so much. The Song of the South,

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<v Speaker 1>like is it kind of what you thought it was

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>going to be. So I had had memories of it

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>from saying it in the movie theater when I was

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 1>six years older. Actually it might have been five years old.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember exactly what part of the year it

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was put out in. You remember being like, this is racist,

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>not at all, And actually I do remember my mother

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>saying something to me like, this is a movie about

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>how the races can live together. It's about friendship between

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>a black man and a white boy, which is what

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>people thought in the eighties. Disney thought for sure. Yeah,

0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>so um yeah, I just I hadn't really remembered it

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>very well, and I certainly didn't remember that two thirds

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>of the movie is live action, and that it's like

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>this live action family drama set on this plantation where

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like this little boy is just basically his parents are

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>completely neglecting him. His parents are having some kind of separation,

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and his dad is in Atlanta and they're like on

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>this rural plantation and he's sort of left to his

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>own devices. So he becomes friends with this former slave,

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>but then his mom is like, stopped teaching my son

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>these like slave stories. She's like, you're a bad influence.

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's like the Secret Garden kind of. It has

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of that kind of thing to it. And then

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the whole climax of the movie is

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>that like the little boys on his deathbed, so there's

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of melodrama. But he tells them all

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the bear rabbit stories and those are those are the

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>things that are animated, and it does the kind of

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>like Mary Poppins asked mcmeldine of the live action, but

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>only a little bit. I mean, like not in this

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>movie because like obviously also don't remember seeing it, but

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>but I kind of think that stuff funny like that.

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I sometimes I like Pete's Dragon and we all we

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>all love who framed exactly which is the best. But

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this was the first movie that did it on like

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>a future film scale, and so Disney really thought that

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.479
<v Speaker 1>it was going to be heralded as just like this

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>major technological advancement. You know. He really thought like the

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>whole industry was just going to get down on their

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>hands and knees and like King Walt st Walt, like

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you have reinvented. One of the things I've really come

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to realize about Walt is that he was really like

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the first tech bro. You know, he liked the way

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>that he wanted everyone to live on the campus at

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Disney and like you should just be so happy to

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>work here that you don't need things like a living

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>wage or benefits because you work for a genius and

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you're you're exposed to magic. Yeah, And I thought one

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>of the interesting things when you were because we we

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>got to listen to the first episode in advance. So

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>what's what's the date that it drops, by the way,

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>some October twenty seconds twenty second the day after this

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>is yeah, so yeah, look for that. But um, I

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 1>thought it was so interesting that like the technological aspect

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of it, it was like Waltz sort of response because

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>they had gone through some flops or some like less

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>than you know, stellar box office performances, and he had

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>this idea that like animation was only going to connect

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>with the massas if it did have this blended in

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>with live action thing, which feels like kind of a

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>first version of now like Disney basically abandoning two D

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>animation for three D because it's like nobody will connect

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>with something if it isn't in three dimensions and like

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>always second guessing, like the original thing that they did

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're good at. I think it's also like whatever

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the newest technology is, we must adopt, sure, yeah, because

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it will be better than the previous thing, which is

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>not always true. Yeah, I mean in fairness to well,

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like I mean he was ultimately wrong because they did

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>have purely animated films later that we're big hits. But

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>snow White had been this real, like industry changing hit

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty seven. I think I don't remember the

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>exact here, but it was in the nineteen thirties, and

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>then they kept putting up movies that weren't making as

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.720
<v Speaker 1>much money, like Pinocchio was a huge flop. Dumbo did okay,

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>but they also made Dumbo for like half a million dollars.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It was super super cheap, like sixty minutes too. It's

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>like barely are But then they made like a decent

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>profit off of this movie called Three Caballeros, which was

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 1>like actually kind of a compilation of shorts but some

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of the travelogy, but some of the shorts involved basically

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>like Donald Duck and these two like South American birds

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>hanging out with like with real people. Like it was

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>really the first instance of blending this live action with animation,

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, I mean to be fair, like

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>he just looked at the data and he was like,

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>we were doing cartoons and they two diminishing returns and

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.640
<v Speaker 1>then we kind of like perked back up when we

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 1>brought in live action with the cartoons. Yeah. When I

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>watched the Disney American Masters on PBS, which I recommend

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:58.399
<v Speaker 1>to anyone who wants to see like a critical, historically

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>accurate biography of Walt Disney, which are very rare, which

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>are hard to find because they're mostly put up by Disney.

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>And when you hear the Disney Company ones are always

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>like Disney like started it had snow White, it was

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the biggest hit, and then it just became more successful

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>with each new release. People loved it more and more.

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>And when you watch the PBS talk, it's like, no,

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that he almost tanked the company like a hundred times.

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>It is again very techie where it's like, no, we

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>have to gamble it all on the next project each time. Uh,

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 1>And they almost went under a lot. That's what's so

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>funny about Disneyland is like by the time they're in

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>the place where they can open Disneyland, like all the

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:37.759
<v Speaker 1>movies that are featured in it, like half of them

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>were flopped that are being like immortalized in these magical

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>rides that are novel loved by everybody, and then they

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>like retcon them. Is no, it was a hit and

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 1>everybody loved it, and it's fine. Yeah, if you just

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>look at like the original, you know, box office deterrence,

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely insane that there's a wind in the willows, right,

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 1>it's so good. But the thing is that all of

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>these movies do end up becoming like hits or classics

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 1>or whatever you want to call it because of this

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>strategy of theatrical re release, and so they keep being

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>exposed to new generations and then they just kind of

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>become canonized over time. But when Saw You the South

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.839
<v Speaker 1>came out, the n double A c P protested it

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>and told Walt not to put it out because they

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>were like, this movie's racist. It's about like a condescending

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>stereotype of black people and like the romanticized Antebellum South,

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and Walt was like, Nope, you're wrong. I'm just going

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to put it out anyway because I know what's best

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 1>for everyone. He was also like conspiracy theorizing that like

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 1>they had been put up to it by somebody, like

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 1>probably the communies, right, right, So he basically, like one

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 1>of the major cataclysmic events in Disney history is when

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the animators went on strike, but right before World War two,

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>and he just felt so betrayed. And from that point

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>on not only was obsessed with communists, but obsessed with

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the idea that communists were out to get him personally

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and so and also you know, I mean, he wanted

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to believe that he had made like a liberal movie

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>about like you know, equality and tolerance between the races.

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.120
<v Speaker 1>But he was racist enough to believe that black people

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 1>couldn't actually be activists or intellectuals unless communists were brainwashing them.

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I keep bringing up Art Babbitt, the Jewish hotti who

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>invented Goofy, and that's who led the animator strike and

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>who Walt thought was, you know, turning everyone against him.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>But one thing I didn't really realize that I have

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>learned recently that thought was interesting was that even at

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>that time that people did think that like it wasn't

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>people naturally turning towards leftism or communism, that they were

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 1>being influenced by people from abroad. Implanting ideas in their heads. Um,

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>that seems like a reach, well totally, and especially in

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>this case, Like, I mean, there's two there were two

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>phases of protest against Front of the South. There was

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the protest as soon as people found out he was

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>making it, in which where African American intellectuals were like, hey, Walt,

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 1>like could we help you with this, Like could we

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, read the script, give you notes like something.

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Can we be part of the process, And he was

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 1>like not. And then the movie came out and that's

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>when the activist group started actually picketing and like trying

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:09.919
<v Speaker 1>to boycott it. And I mean, as I get into

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, like they the problem was that there

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a united front. There were some people who were like,

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what, like this movie isn't that bad because

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>at least like it gave a couple of African American

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>actors jobs. Just take whatever whatever you can get, which

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>feels like like that that kind of conflict still goes

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>on with and it's like such an interesting argument for like, yeah, okay, fine,

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 1>we won't like put all of our energy towards protesting

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 1>and like trying to get this one thing, you know,

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>taken down or you know, not showed or whatever, because

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it's not that big of a deal.

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.919
<v Speaker 1>It's not like Avatar or whatever. It's not taking over

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>the entire world. But then, like in the case of

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.359
<v Speaker 1>a Disney movie, it will come out again. It will

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 1>come out again and again and again, like it's a zombie. Um,

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.439
<v Speaker 1>let's take it if we shall to Splash Mountain, which

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>is the way that most people today probably if at all,

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>are familiar with the Song of the South. Well, okay,

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 1>do you guys think that people who ride Splash Mountain

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>know that it refers to a movie because I don't know. No,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they do, because it doesn't say a

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Song of the South anywhere on it. It's like the

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Brear Rabbit. And again it is like it doesn't have

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Remus in it. It's more of like a brere

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>rabbit and brere fox and brere bear thing, which are

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>real plantation folk tales that were collected in those books.

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Uh that are good, But so it's just a plantation

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>themed plantation mythology. I don't know if I put it

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.399
<v Speaker 1>together for like a very long time. And also it's

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.879
<v Speaker 1>like they repurpose a lot of old animatronics from another

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>show called America Sings. So it was also sort of

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>during maybe a time when they didn't when they were like,

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>we have to build a new ride, but we're going

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to like cut corners a little bit and use all

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>these old animatronics from a stage show that killed somebody

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:03.319
<v Speaker 1>when the revolving platform crushed someone, which, by the way,

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 1>like I had not heard this until we talked on

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>the phone earlier this week about it when he was

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>trapped beneath the revolving floor. Yeah, how did that? Do

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you know? It was like a revolving stage. Do you

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 1>know how they have those stages that are like it's

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>in the whatever now, like the Hall of Innovations or whatever,

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that that round kind of building in Tomorrowland. It wasn't there.

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>So those animatronics were already haunted from West the West World.

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it strange that you go as a child or

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.479
<v Speaker 1>even as an adult to Splash Mountain and you never

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 1>think to question what movie is this from? Until you know?

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's like I went on Splash Mountains so many

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>times and it was it never occurred to me, like

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>what movies this? It just looks like Disney Styeah. I

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>mean one thing I'll say about that and the last

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 1>episode of the season, it's all about Splash Mountain in

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Disneyland found a big ride to open. I feel like

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>in my childhood, yeah, yours like that was the new ride. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 1>everybody had to go. But so it like it opened,

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.359
<v Speaker 1>And I had been to Disneyland a few times before that,

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.760
<v Speaker 1>because that I was nine years old by then, um,

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 1>and there were a lot of rides, especially in that

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>part of Disneyland that didn't refer to movies, Like there

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>was no Pirates of the Caribbean movie until recently, and

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 1>no Haunted Mansion movie until recently. The other thing that

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:25.719
<v Speaker 1>I do talk about in that episode though, so I

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about too much right now, but

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that whole part of Disneyland is just like this very

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>weird resurrection of the eighteen hundred South and so like,

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in a way, it makes perfect sense that they would

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.080
<v Speaker 1>put a Song of the South ride right there. Well,

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that's like, that's totally Walt Disney's aesthetic is like the romanticized,

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>imaginary Antebellum South. Because he grew up in St. Louis

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh working in a factory well, that's what main Street

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>USA is, isn't his imaginary version of what the main

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>street of St. Louis, Missouri was like when he was

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 1>a kid. It's all like his memories and his fantasies,

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>which are apparently all very Southern and weird or like

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 1>weird manifest destiny nightmare stuff. Also, yeah, I'm sure of

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it is just imagined and not based

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 1>in reality at all, but just like it's like this

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 1>collective like memory of what the South. There's also like

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 1>some wildly racist stuff in Disneyland still that's not in

0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Splash Mountain, but on the Jungle Cruise. Jungle Cruise is

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.800
<v Speaker 1>so racist still, I can't believe they haven't like taken

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 1>out the native animatronic because they're so racist, like most

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of adventure Land is like a big problem, right for sure,

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like there's a point where you're like,

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>we take out the human beings, and they have They're

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna do it soon because there's a movie coming out.

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 1>They're probably going to replace them all with an animatronic

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the Rock. Um, I can't be like, I can't believe

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 1>for making a Jungle Cruise movie. It's like of all

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the things you just do it just there was Wild

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Ride movie and you're right there. They all have their

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.399
<v Speaker 1>own mythology, like Big Under Mountain and the Matterhorn. All

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the mountains are their own sort of you know, theme

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>park mythology. But it is also weird that they took

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>so goddamn long to do a little Mermaid ride and

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>there's still not really a Beauty in the Beast ride,

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Like they haven't invested in sort of the movies that

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 1>people really do like making rides, except Star Wars, excepts

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and Frozen. I heard it was like a Frozen ride

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>in Disney World that replaced like the Norway Cruise in

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>which people loved because it was like a Viking Pirates

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of the Caribbean. That sounds great, but it kind of

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just now it's just frozen them and it also

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>looks still sounds great, it's like a snow cave. But

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>when you bring up Beauty and the Beast, like, what

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>would that ride even be? Just a talking teapot going

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to a dinner party. Yeah, just a dinner party should

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>be a restaurant. There's no Aladdin ride, you know, cat

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>like a Lion King ride. Just all the new class

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>during that time, like when Little Mermaid was they opened

0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>up Splash Mountain. Yeah, exactly, because I remember being like,

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I want a Little Mermaid ride. I was like, this

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 1>is good enough because there's water. Well, I went on

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty leagues under the c and they have the big

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>like foam Mermaid that sort of like bobs By. That

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>ride was so great before they turned it's so it's

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.439
<v Speaker 1>really bad. Even my kids were really upset about that ride.

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>They've never been on the previous one, but they were like,

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.439
<v Speaker 1>those aren't real. I'm just really excited for the night Call.

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>You must remember this, uh being park Well, we were

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about before we started recording, like because they have

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 1>done these rebrandings of several rides, um, like you know

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>recently they changed the Tower of Terror into the Guardians

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 1>of the County RDE Yeah thumb sound, but like there

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:51.280
<v Speaker 1>is a possibility that they might decide to rebrand Splash Mountain,

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 1>like to distance themselves further from uh, this thing that

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to not exist. And it's like would we

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>protest that? Also, like what if they just embraced it fully,

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 1>which I don't think they will do, but what if

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:05.840
<v Speaker 1>they were like, now we'll just make a Brear Rabbit

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and Brear Fox movie. They're like, doesn't have this framing device,

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and we'll let you know, a black director and a

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 1>black writer. Like what if they were like, we fucked up.

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna try and do something to acknowledge it. That

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>would be interesting. That would make more sense to me

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 1>than just wiping things and pretend they pretending they don't exist,

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>which is what they do, which is Bob Iger's comments

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned in the first episode of your podcast

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of the season was really like he has an interesting

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of frankness when he talks about like this wouldn't

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>be appealing to shareholders, or this would this would be

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:39.240
<v Speaker 1>like detrimental to the shareholders, where you would expect someone

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>from Disney to handle things like a little more like

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 1>sensitively or like humanoid. Like it's a really weird quote

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.359
<v Speaker 1>because basically what he's saying is like he's like, well,

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm such a good person that I'm willing

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to take a financial loss here, right. He basically says like, like,

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>even though I think we could make a profit if

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>we released it, it might be offensive to some people now,

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 1>so we won't And so it's just it could have

0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>been phrased in many different It is so strange to

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>me because I was like, can you not just be

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like what a mess up? Like wow, if you cared

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>about that, like people die in their cars that work

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 1>at Disneyland, like that would also affect how the shareholders think. Um,

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much you kind of came across this

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff in your research where where a lot

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of times I think the thing that feels creepy about Disney,

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>especially now, like in this late period of Disney, is

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 1>that it does feel like a religion and that like

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.319
<v Speaker 1>there's all this sort of like Connie and like kind

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of skirting around things that don't make sense or that

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like over time people have realized like are you know

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>problematic or like you know, stuff that they don't want

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge as part of the history. And so it

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 1>rather than just like have any kind of honest history

0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of it, it's just sort of like nope, it didn't know,

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 1>it never happened. It's great that we have your podcast, um,

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and also yeah, check out the PBS American Masters about

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>what Disney. So we wanted to ask you just one

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>night call question before we let you go. Um, do

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>you think we landed on the moon. So, as I

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 1>was about to say, before we started recording, when I

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:31.040
<v Speaker 1>was in college, I had like a there was like

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>a visiting professor who came and showed us his documentary

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 1>he had made where he was basically trying to prove

0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 1>that we didn't and that it was shot in a

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>sound stage. And you know, obviously he couldn't prove that,

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>or maybe not obviously, but he couldn't prove it, but

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>he made like some compelling evidence that like the footage

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.959
<v Speaker 1>had been destroyed or whatever. Um. And I remember going

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>home to my apartment that I shared with my boyfriend

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and my my boyfriend who had already

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>been kicked out of college. But like I believe that

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>he knew better than anything he could learn in college.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Is like you're a fucking idiot, Karina, so gullible, and

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so I I dropped it, But I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's want to learn. What was the evidence that the

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<v Speaker 1>footage has been just do you remember what I mean?

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 1>He was It was like it had like a real

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<v Speaker 1>room to vibe, like kind of cobbled together like montage

0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 1>e stuff. When you slow that stuff down to it

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:28.879
<v Speaker 1>starts to look real weird. The question somebody brought up

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<v Speaker 1>to me is, um, why haven't we gone back? If

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<v Speaker 1>we can go, why did we comment? Why did we

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:40.439
<v Speaker 1>only go during especially the Nixon years, a time known

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>for their truthfulness about what the American government was doing? Um,

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a two questions? Do we do we answer that here? Finally, like,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it seem like if we had the capability to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the moon, people would just be going all

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>the goddamn the number one? But like, wouldn't we have

0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>gone In the eighties a lot like check it out

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>were on the moon? There was the Challenger, which short

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of I think like dampened a lot of public enthusiasm

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>for for NASA. I mean, I think that's the problem

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.160
<v Speaker 1>is that it's so it I think that that the

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<v Speaker 1>moon landing. Well, first of all, guys, did it happen?

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 1>We're not like a convinced at night call were almost

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>they were the nineties. We don't think it didn't happen.

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>But we're agnostic. Let's say we did. But yeah, then

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>the Challenger and the huge expense, I think that like

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 1>the expense of that was being poured into this and

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>as I've said, a million times about Operation paper Clip,

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Like the US hired a bunch of Nazi scientists uh

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and kept them from war crimes trials to try and

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<v Speaker 1>solve the space race problems. So that's even more fucked

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>up than if we didn't go for me it is

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 1>can I ask you guys a question? So obviously, like

0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>we don't fund the space program anymore other than like

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>that thing Trump was talking about that I forgot about,

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.919
<v Speaker 1>but Elon Musk does. If Elon Musk was like we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to the moon and then like he went to

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<v Speaker 1>the moon or he showed footage of being on the moon,

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>would you believe him? No, absolutely not. I wouldn't believe

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>him specifically, But I don't believe the real the car

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 1>in space was that real? Wasn't Who knows? I know,

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you're right, who knows if anything that he does is

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 1>for real? Um. But there was something that we were

0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about on the show that was about

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:30.479
<v Speaker 1>how U Nobel Prize winner said that we would never

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.279
<v Speaker 1>live on an exo planet ever, and that all the

0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 1>tech barons who think we're going to like move to

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Mars or move to the Moon or just like totally

0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.319
<v Speaker 1>in a dream world. It's never going to happen, which

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I think is true. Well, so this is interesting to you.

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 1>This comes from Live Science, And so they have Nobel

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>prizewinner Yasamine Sapola Koglu nice and it's the Nobel prizewinner

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>is Michelle mayer Um. But they quote him as saying,

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>we'll never go to the Moon. It just won't happen

0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>unless like everything changes about our understanding of mass and acceleration.

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.880
<v Speaker 1>It's never gonna happen. And then they keep quoting people

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 1>who are like, well, not never know. They're like they

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.319
<v Speaker 1>just can't commit to it, which I appreciate where they're

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>like maybe in like a century or like million years.

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:16.439
<v Speaker 1>But the people like Jeff Bezos are like, we're going

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 1>now because they're like, we're going to use up Earth

0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and then we're just going to move it to another place.

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>And this this person who sounds like they know what

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about, is like, absolutely not. Uh, we stand

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>firmly on the Earth and it's unlikely to change for

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a very very long time. There's also a good reason

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.879
<v Speaker 1>for saying that, which is that the idea being don't

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.719
<v Speaker 1>give up on our planet and uninhabitable. This person is

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 1>also saying that we absolutely should not just give up

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 1>on Earth, because that is like not the cool thing

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to do. Stephen Kaine, a professor planetary astrophysics at the

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>u C riverside. So the sad reality is that at

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.359
<v Speaker 1>this point in human history, all stars are effectively at

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.360
<v Speaker 1>a distance of infinity. We struggle very hard as a

0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 1>species to reach the Earth's move and do you think

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>we're ever gonna live The humans will habitate on a

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>planet other than or a body other than Earth, not

0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.400
<v Speaker 1>until the technology advances to the point of where it

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.480
<v Speaker 1>is an ad astra where you have like fast food

0:52:16.520 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 1>on the Moon and stuff like that just like freezed

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:23.359
<v Speaker 1>like like preserved food for like hundreds of years so

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 1>that you can make it make the journey. I think

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.240
<v Speaker 1>it's we more likely that it will be a Wally

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>scenario where we're on giant spaceships that are like orbiting

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:37.399
<v Speaker 1>and just kind of waiting to return thanks like being

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.880
<v Speaker 1>able to like build a civilization on a planet that

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>it is to like build some kind of space station

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>thing that could that can support life for long periods.

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I do think the billionaires are going to blast off

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 1>from New Zealand whenever the ship gets too bad. Um,

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.799
<v Speaker 1>and then they're gonna get space brain and all go

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:57.920
<v Speaker 1>crazy and their brains well, Milt in space, everybody wins Korea.

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for coming on Night Call. Sure, thanks

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