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Speaker 1: Thursday edition of Fair Territory. We are live and this

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Speaker 1: is the Waiting on Wan edition of the show. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to Wan Soda. We're gonna talk about some

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Speaker 1: So Alta, let's get.

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Speaker 2: It going, all right, Ken, Always great to be with

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Speaker 2: you on this Thursday, And of course we do start

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Speaker 2: with the lead. And as everybody wants to know, it

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Speaker 2: is all about Juan Soto.

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Speaker 1: Well, it has to be all about Wan Soto. He

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Speaker 1: is the lynchpin of this free agent market. Once he signs,

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Speaker 1: a lot of other things will follow. But until he signs,

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Speaker 1: a lot will remain in play. So where do we

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Speaker 1: stand with Sodo right now? As The Athletic reported a

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Speaker 1: hundred million. Now, I don't know that the Dodgers are

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Speaker 1: at ESPN. Jeff Passing reported last night that there are

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Speaker 1: for what will be unbelievably one of the great contracts

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that brings me to my next point, Ken,

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Speaker 2: is that where is the ceiling on a one Soto contract?

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Speaker 2: At what point? I mean, at how high can this get?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I'm not sure the answer. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Would that be a regrettable deal? Well,

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Speaker 1: In his prime. A guy who will transform your franchise

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Speaker 2: Plays the Let's say that he goes to a team

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Speaker 1: The signing bonus enables a player, if he lives in

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Speaker 2: All right, and let me ask you this before we

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Speaker 1: Great question. I don't know that the Yankees will have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps enter Taioscar Hernandez back into the Dodgers conversation

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Speaker 2: What more can you tell us?

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Speaker 1: Well, I wrote a couple of days ago that that deal,

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Speaker 1: we'll get it done. Now. If somehow the Dodgers end

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Speaker 2: The longer Soda waits, does it mean the more that

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I think his price is

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I want to ask you, those that are

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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal, make sure you get your questions in for Ken.

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Speaker 2: He is at the Winter meetings as it gets set

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Speaker 1: Well, it was interesting. I had heard from another reporter,

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Speaker 2: Where do you see lance Lynn is a good fit.

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Speaker 1: A left handed hitter who could maybe DH and a

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Speaker 2: Imagine trying to get a ticket, Ken Rosenthal, if you're

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Speaker 2: this is from Doc. What's the point of blind bids

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's a good question, and the better person

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Speaker 1: He earned this right. He can go wherever he wants,

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Speaker 2: time All Star, the seven time slover slugger or the

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Speaker 2: ten time Gold Glove winner?

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Speaker 1: Wow, ten time Gold Glove winner. Because of what Griffy

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Speaker 1: was offensively as well, And this is why he's in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He could do it all. He

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Speaker 1: was a magnetic player and man, some of the videos

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Speaker 1: you watch of his catches over the years. I know.

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Speaker 1: Obviously in the later years the injuries took their toll

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Speaker 1: on him and he wasn't quite the same, but Ken

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Speaker 1: Griffy Junior, the Seattle version was one of the most

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Speaker 1: exciting players the game has ever seen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's your favorite player's favorite player. You ask

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Speaker 2: any Major leaguer and most of the time their idol

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Speaker 2: was Ken Griffy Junior. All right, thank you Baseball as them,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you, the official lifestyle brand of baseball. Let's

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Speaker 2: get to Dude of the Week.

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Speaker 1: Dude, dude, dude.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is the opportunity where Ken and I

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Speaker 2: get to give a little bit of prompts to our

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Speaker 2: favorite dude or dudes or dude at of the week. Ken,

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Speaker 2: who is yours?

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Speaker 1: I've got a bit of an unusual choice. Alanna, a

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Speaker 1: person that certainly would be a candidate and is a

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Speaker 1: candidate for Dork of the Week, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: name him due to the week. And you might think

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Speaker 1: this is out of character for me, But Rob Manford

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Speaker 1: did something this week that I don't know hasn't been

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Speaker 1: accomplished by baseball in a long time. He got people

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Speaker 1: talking about the sport all over the place. And he

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Speaker 1: did it because actually he had mentioned something in a

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Speaker 1: podcast the while back, but not until Jason Stark wrote

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Speaker 1: in The Athletic about the possibility of the golden in bat.

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Speaker 1: Did this whole thing go viral? Now? Granted the majority

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Speaker 1: of fans, the majority of players. The vast majority of

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Speaker 1: fans and players reacted vment lee almost violently to this idea.

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Speaker 1: They hate the idea. But did it get people talking

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Speaker 1: about baseball in the middle of winter? It sure did so.

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Speaker 1: Rob Manford a backhanded Dude of the Week for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, definitely people are talking about it. Kat. I'm

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Speaker 2: not certain all in good stuff, but that's okay. You're right,

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Speaker 2: people are talking about Major League baseball in the midst

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Speaker 2: of a football season. I'm going to give my Dude

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Speaker 2: to the Week to Juan Soto just because everybody is

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Speaker 2: talking about him as well. It's an easy one. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going out on much of a limb there, but

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Speaker 2: everybody in the world wants to know where the heck

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Speaker 2: Juan Soto is going to sign. So for that, for

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Speaker 2: being that special and that important, he is my dude

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Speaker 2: of the week. All right, for dork of the Week.

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Speaker 2: All right, So for my dork of the week, Ken,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually going to take the opposite approach your dude.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Commissioner Manfred. And not that I don't

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Speaker 2: have respect for him, obviously I do. The man is

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Speaker 2: a very smart man. But this was an interesting take.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who where the buzz is coming from,

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Speaker 2: but it's not coming from the fans because if you

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Speaker 2: look at anybody on X or Blue Sky or whatever

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Speaker 2: the heck, it's all called now nobody and I mean nobody,

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Speaker 2: active and inactive players included, like this whole Golden Bat situation. So,

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Speaker 2: Sir Manfred, I'm gonna go ahead and call you respectfully, sir,

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Speaker 2: you are my dude of the week.

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Speaker 1: All right? Can you who's your dork of the week?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry, dork of the week, dork of

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Speaker 2: the week? Doork of the week?

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Speaker 1: All right? My dork of the week, it's more like

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Speaker 1: a troll of the week. This guy's not a dork,

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Speaker 1: but Nolan or Not posted a very interesting Instagram post.

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Speaker 1: You can see it right here. He's in la. This

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Speaker 1: was set to Kendrick Lamar's Dodger Blue off Kendrick's Blue

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Speaker 1: album that he dropped recently. Now, obviously, when Nolan Arnado

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Speaker 1: does that, it gets people thinking, well, maybe he wants

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Speaker 1: to be on the Dodgers. Now, maybe that was his plan.

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Speaker 1: But I would say Nolan was trolling, trolling quite successfully

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Speaker 1: because fans freaked out when I saw this, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of take my hat off to him, But he's

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Speaker 1: the troll of the week.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. I love As soon as I

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Speaker 2: saw this, I was like, wait, what's going on? I

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Speaker 2: felt like Nolan, I'm like, what are you doing? And

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Speaker 2: I actually Nolan was going to come on our show today,

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Speaker 2: but he respectfully said, I'm going to wait until after

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Speaker 2: the Winter meetings. Obviously, Nolan Ronado is in the midst

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Speaker 2: of a lot of conversations and trade rumors, perhaps not

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Speaker 2: in Saint Louis next week. So he is the troll,

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Speaker 2: the dork of the week due to the week. I

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Speaker 2: love it though, because it's pretty pretty sick, and I

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Speaker 2: love the fact, by the way that you know that

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Speaker 2: it's from Kendrick Lamar and then he just dropped the

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Speaker 2: new album. It's very impressive by you. Ken Rosenthal. Look

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Speaker 2: at you.

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Speaker 2: We want to thank everybody for watching Ken. It's always

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Speaker 2: great to be with you. Enjoy winter meetings. You're going

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Speaker 2: Always good to see you.

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Speaker 1: You threw a lot of thanks so much