WEBVTT - Eric Paslay 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:14.920 Carola. She's the Queen of talking. He was sown man. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.400 She's only is actually got the scoop on on the 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:28.360 on side. No one can do with clid Carala Carola. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:36.320 No one can do with Cui Carola Carola. Hey, y'all, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.800 welcome to Hyper Caroline Hobby. I am your host, Caroline Hobby. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.519 I know music, I know people, and I know the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.440 questions do you want to ask? So let's get hyper 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.479 heads up. These are adults having adult conversations, so there 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:54.120 could be adult content. I am super pumped about this 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.640 week's episode. I have Eric Pasley joining me. He is 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.640 one of the most talented artists and song writers I 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.040 have ever met in my life. He's written so many 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.039 number one hits. He wrote Jake Owen's Barefoot Blue g Night, 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.880 he wrote Eli Young Bands, Even If It Breaks Your Heart, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.040 Lovin Theft's Angels Eyes. He also wrote Rascal Flats hit 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.839 song Rewind, and he wrote Friday Night, which was recorded 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.760 for Lady Antebellum. Then he came back and released it 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.520 as an artist all the way to the top. He 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.800 also was nominated for Song of the Year with his 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.400 song she Don't Love You. Absolutely incredible. He's one of 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.199 the most inspired songwriters out there. This interview is so 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.920 good it will motivate you to follow your heart and 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:40.080 your higher force. I promise you. Y'all welcome Eric Paslay. Hey, 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.360 Eric Paslay. What's she doing hanging out in Nashville in 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.520 your back house? Yeah, we're in the little studio house 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.880 back here, so it's like a writing room slash studio, kitchen, 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.000 studio hang It looks old, but it's new. I know 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.280 y'all did some new, some renovating, and you're a renovator yourself. 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.680 I love it. Yeah, that's a secret little side that 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.600 I learned about Eric Paslay is you're like handyman galore. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.640 I like building stuff. Um, I don't mind it. I 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.400 built a gift for Paisley right underneath us in the garage. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:23.120 Brad Paisley, Brad Paisley and I my distant cousin. Yeah, no, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.200 Pasley pass It's all good, Paisley Passley. It's kind of 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.400 like what you build, Paisley. Um, I built on the 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.160 front end of a fifty nine corvette out of wood. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.960 It sounds ridiculous just for being him, like Owen Wilson, Like, yeah, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.639 I made it a pure piece of wood like Jesus, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.960 you know, but um uh, he loves those corvettes. And 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.640 I always build a gift for people when I go 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.920 on to it. I'm just built one for Toby Keith 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.440 had like a Ford tail gate, did like red. I 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.200 used the red paint that I used on Paisley's corvette 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.760 on Toby's gift red on a tailgate and it was 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.880 a Ford. I went to a junkyard, got old Ford 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.800 tailgate red white and blue colors on it. How special 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.280 is that? I always put lights in it? Right now? 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.040 They're all I do. Always use battery top power, just 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.600 because there's so many cool options. And you know, you 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.239 can hang it wherever, said it wherever you don't have 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:13.959 to plug it in. Where did you When did you 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.640 discover and how did you discover this talent? What do 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.239 you call it? Woodworking? Building? Just tinker and I don't 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.800 know being creative, there are no rules. Don't stick creativity 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.440 in a box. When it comes to that, you gotta 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.079 get it out. Natalie says. You go on the road, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.560 You'll find like the like the stores and all the stuff. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.680 And I'm like antiques. Use the antique stores. They have 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.600 junk people don't know what to do with and I'll 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.400 figure out something to do with it. So some of 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.720 the stuff in your house, like that you've found antiquing. Yeah, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.720 there's probably a few things in here, like what about 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.040 that cabinet's made of logs around all the old barnwood. 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:50.120 That's definitely did you make that antique store? I helped 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.640 make it. Okay, nice, Okay, So I'm gonna start off 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.720 with a little rap. I didn't actually level that. It's 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.920 sort of curved. Hey, but it needs it has character. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.240 It looks awesome. It does look awesome. Okay, letna start 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.960 off with a little first off, I complete the sentence. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:06.880 I'm gonna say a word, and you say, and we're 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.960 gonna make a sentence. All right, Okay, you start Spider 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:23.039 Monkey happy Gilmore, Davis County, crows Nest. Hi there, I 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.479 always messed up on this entertaining. Let's do it again. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.520 I haven't done this before. Okay, I'll do one. Okay, 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.800 Spider Monkey, I don't. I just always that's so kind 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.240 of the random thing. I'm coming with you, like a 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:41.320 spider monkey. It was Tallodaga nights Okay, cheese kurds hase 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:49.480 ease that sounds like a really bad disease. Sorryse hasese. Okay, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.000 gave me a ride home. Okay, I mess up. I'm 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:57.599 not gonna do kindergarten teachers hot mama's. That's pretty good. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:03.400 That's perfect. Kindergarten teacher, hot mama's. I knew singles called 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:11.080 kindergarten teacher, hot mama. It's very serious. Okay, that's ridiculous. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.640 That was good. You're way better than me. Thank you. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.400 Try That's what I do all the time, just like practice, 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.960 like to say yeah bo jackal and Hyde. Okay, so 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.960 we're gonna get started. You were from Texas, Temple, Texas. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.400 Grew up in Temple, Texas. I did, right right down 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.680 the road from Waco, Texas. But we didn't know each other. 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.000 Crazy because that's like almost the same city it is, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.760 And I lived in Waco. Why from when I was 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.880 like two to seven? What were you doing to wake up? 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.720 My dad was the manager's Southwestern Bell And then we thought, hey, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.000 let's go up the road to Temple. Why do you think, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.640 hey let's go up the road to Temple. My mom's 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.080 family from Temple. So, so what was it growing up 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.360 by a girl? What was it like growing up in Temple, 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.239 and is your family musical, because when did you discover 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.760 your musical term? Music was always kind of around. My 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.840 mom played Oregon. My grandfather was a musician. I didn't 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.839 know my grandfather. He passed away when I was really young, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.240 but he just he was the musician in the family. 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.000 So I heard stories and I just always had music 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.640 kind of around and just always was drawn to it. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.560 I love playing it. I didn't love learning it a lot, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.200 but I love playing it. You picked up guitar mainly 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.080 at fifteen and started writing at the same time. Okay, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.039 so did writing just happen? Like, were you like, I 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.120 want to be a songwriter? No, I just thought I 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.280 want to play music. I didn't even know there was 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.800 a difference between songwriter and singer. You know, I just 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.320 thought you wrote your songs. You know, it's probably the 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.839 people that most people think. I think most people think 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.520 that the day still that everybody writes her own songs, 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.320 which a lot of them do. Did you always know 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.719 you wanted to be an artist? Yeah, okay, that was 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:52.200 what was confusing. I've so I had. I was writing 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.160 songs for a publishing company for like four years. I 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.480 moved up here when I was twenty, went to finished 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.800 up school here at middletowness up here because you were 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:05.400 ready to get into the industry. Yeah, I knew that. 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.640 I knew that I wasn't rich enough to go to Belmont, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.840 which is a really good school if you can afford 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.520 it go. Um, but found out about Middle Tennessee which 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.760 has a great recording industry program. You just have to 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.560 drive thirty minutes more, which is which is research because 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.120 you're listening to music all the time. But did that 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.200 in between parking cars and working at Starbucks and going 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.320 to school and interning for free and all this and night, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.440 which is just I do it all again. Um. Maybe 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:33.760 a couple of cars I wouldn't park against. They just 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.360 smelled terrible. I bet you learn a lot about people 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.600 from parking cars. It's interesting that you saw in people's 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.960 cards that you wish you wouldn't have seen. The scariest 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.760 thing is like people show up completely wasted and you're like, 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:51.040 you should not even be able to live here? Do 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.880 they drive the car off? I usually would pass the 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.920 keys off to the club and be like you served them, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.440 Like I'm not giving it to him? Yeah, is on you? 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.239 But um, that would be a whole other thing. But um, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.520 but start, you know, wrote songs because the blue I 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.720 was just taught the blueprint is if you are a 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.800 singer and you can write, then someone will probably invest 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.240 in your writing first ish before you get the record deal. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.679 Just friends that advantage that out. Do you know about 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.040 publishing deals? I had an or. I had a just 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.320 a mentor named Brian Gowen who had a record deal 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.360 on Curb, had writing deals, went to school. His wife 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.600 at the time, Shannon, she was like Scott Pushett's assistant 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.640 dream work, so she'd like seeing a lot of Nashville work. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.760 And Brian had too, and they were like, go to Nashville. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.200 You at least have two and a half years if 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.400 you finish up your degree. They're a music business. You 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.240 get internships and just meet everybody and they know you exist, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.880 and you have a reason for being there because you're, yeah, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.400 a specific reason for being there and learning somewhat about it, 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.240 knowing that a publishing company doesn't sell books a music 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.560 publishing company, you write songs. So I wrote songs for 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.280 four years at a company recording records, recording music because 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.920 it's kind of hard to get a publishing deal. So 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.160 that is it sounds like I'm like, it was so easy. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.679 But the fact that you moved to town I got 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.920 a publishing deal. Well, I moved to town and then 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:16.880 three and a half four years later, I got a 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.240 publishing Okay, so you just started networking and all that. Yeah, okay, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:25.240 you graduated wents worked at Starbucks. Um, which is great 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.840 because favorite drink at Starbucks. I don't know, they're all 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.880 pretty good. Did you drink one every day? I was? Yeah. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.080 I I learned that a soy milk Lotte with two 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.600 pumps vanilla isn't as much sugar since some a juvenile diabetic, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.640 I usually like one pump sugar. And I didn't want 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.360 to fake stuff because I'm not really sure what's made 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:50.640 up of I know, I agree, but um yeah, but um, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.680 you know, it was good to work. Their best saying 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:57.280 health insurance for my juvenile diabetes and uh, and it 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.360 gave me time to write I had. I had signed 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.120 a publishing about a year and a year after I 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.960 graduated college. Wrote and wrote and wrote and just wrote 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.160 and wrote and wrote and played shows and wrote and 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.440 wrote and mainly played writers shows, so played my songs. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.920 I was writing with other artists. I'm sure we played 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.320 shows way back then together. We played some shows. When 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.440 you're signed though, yes and uh, and then wrote all 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:28.640 these songs and I wrote Barefoot and wrote even and 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:34.040 wrote well yeah, and then in that time period yeah 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:39.880 and then uh, I got a record deal, so that 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.080 I got a record deal, and then Barefoot came out 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.160 two months later. So when I went on radio tour 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.800 to meet everybody as a as an artist, not as 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.080 a songwriter, as a songwriter and an artist, it was 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.880 like every interview was, so, your singer or your songwrite? 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.920 Why do you want to be a singer. I've always 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.400 been a singer. I just happened to write a song 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.960 that got it. And I actually had a record deal 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.160 before I had any songs recorded. But the timing was 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:10.240 just the timing was two months off. It was flip that. Actually, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.240 it was frustrating at the beginning. And now I realized, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:13.960 I have like five hits to play every or at 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.160 least five number ones to play every night. Okay, so 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.679 I want to go through your number one because you 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.520 have Okay Friday. It's this guy gets kind of wild. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.920 It's just you have your own number one Friday night Light, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:29.280 Friday Night too, and Lady Antebellum cut that song. They did, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.000 it was on the Oh the Night album, never put 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.520 it on as a single. So then you said, that's 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.559 a hit. Hey, you know what, I'll put it out 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.439 And it was a number one for you? How did 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.760 that feel? Because I had you already had Barefoot Blue 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.200 Night as a as a songwriter, not an artist. How 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.839 many songs have you had as I had three number 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.000 ones as a songwriter. I had three number ones hit 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.640 in one year. Tell me what they were? Barefoot Bluesy Night, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.120 even if It Breaks your Heart and Angelize with Love 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.959 and Theft and with Eli Young Fan Yes, and what 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:57.880 was so wild? All these It's not like it all 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.520 happened in that one year. It had happened in at 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.640 least so many years before. They just somehow had just 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.880 piled up and and just perfect timing. And I don't 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.440 know if one Barefoot being a hit decided the other 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.360 ones to be released of like well you know where, yeah, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.160 you know, I mean it could have been that. And 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.240 grateful that there are songs that I enjoy, you know, 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.920 so that all happen when you release Friday Night? Right? No, no, No, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.200 I had a single out called Never Really Wanted My 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.600 First Yeah, I really wanted that. I love that song. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.360 That was a great song. I loved it. So that 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.440 was your first single? Yea sacrificial single? Sacrificial? Yeah, most 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.000 everyone's first single is a sacrificial single because they don't 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.440 know you yet, so it's just kind of like breaking 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.400 you in, all right, Yeah, it's all right. You gotta 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.439 you gotta get rid of one of your best songs first, 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.480 and someone might hear it, right, but did that open 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.319 the door? That part of it? Um, the doors already open. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.960 I just you know, usually it takes a while for 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.880 somebody to pass you the guitar at the party. Okay, 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.320 you gotta show up a few times. So do you 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.480 feel like your sacrificial singer single and your hits for 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.480 other people mixed with you? It was Barrett was Friday Night? Second? 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.880 Was that your second single, fish Don't Buy It? Was 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.760 second if the Fish Don't Buy It? And it was 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.600 between labels merging, and it just all kind of got 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.320 lost in the shuffle. Which is an interesting which has 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.600 never been released like it was that actual single, and 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.200 I have fans always ask for it, and I'm like, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.360 I have no clue how you can buy it, and 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.760 it was never released. It was released, but nobody can 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.520 buy it. It's kind of weird. Huh. That's an interesting 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.559 way to release the song. Yeah, isn't it interesting? The 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.640 whole label process we've talked about a little bit because 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.679 it's an amazing thing to be a part of a label, absolutely, 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.760 but it's also a giant ship. And you wrote that 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.640 song even if it breaks your heart, which I think 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.600 is interesting because the music industry can break your heart. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.880 Was that based on a true story or how did 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.440 that come about? Well, you grew up in Texas, so 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.080 Austin down on Sixth Street there's a bunch of clubs 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.360 and all that. And wrote the song with Will Hoge 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.520 and he had just he was in like a really 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.120 bad accident, like he was on a moped driving in 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.320 a van like ran over him, like he should have died. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.240 And remember he showed up on We wrote one song 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:16.520 called Highway Wings, Oh my Highway Wings, and uh that 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.600 he recorded, but he was like on walkers. And then 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.840 the next time we wrote even a freak your Heart 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.960 and he was like on a just on a cane, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.200 and like now I see him and I totally forget that. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:30.200 He was like, shouldn't be walking ever. Um, so props 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.480 to you, Mr will Hooge from freaking being tough, it's 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.840 gonna be But he put that. He put that song 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.440 out on like Triple A radio, which is very much 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.600 country now, and uh Eli young band loved it. And 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:43.520 I always told Mikey like they had the song for 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.600 two years on hold, like they hadn't they They were 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.680 getting moved around on record deals of where did we 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.400 put these guys? And they had crazy Girl hit, which 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.320 I'm so grateful for that because then they were allowed 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.640 to sing a song about dreaming like nobody was singing 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.000 songs about dreaming rarely, or anybody singing songs about dream 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.800 me and actually getting hurt. And the last to him 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.240 was like, if ya don't cut this thing, it's going 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.800 on my album and hopefully it's a single. And but 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.640 I just you know, we kept our word and let 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:12.160 him do it, and they did a great job and 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.480 got it heard. You know, So what does that song 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.240 mean to you? Even if it breaks your heart? Keep 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.040 on dreaming even if it breaks your heart. So I 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.880 told you the story, and not that I like the story, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:27.320 but I actually heard the story, and I'm I'm probably 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.480 pretty sure he's okay with me telling the story. But 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.760 Marla Cannon Goodman, great writer, she's amazing. But her dad's 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:39.560 Buddy Cannon, great producer in town. He can ches. Yeah, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.880 you're right, he produces Kenny Chess. You know all conds 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.960 of great music. Donnie, Marie, I gotta cut on that 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:52.160 album single right now? Do you really? Yeah, Bama, she's nice, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:59.120 she's awesome interviewing. Do it. She's gonna be holding this Mike. Yes, Marie, 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.560 he gave you a little kiss. Three That wasn't crazy. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:09.520 You're awesome. Um uh. But I remember remember Marla telling 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.880 me the story that the day that she told her 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:14.760 dad because she was a nurse and she was like, Dad, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.720 I'm gonna be a professional songwriter. I'm gonna do it, 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.840 and and he said okay. He was like, but I'll 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.680 just tell you that this business can break your heart 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.720 every day, and that that's stuck with And that was 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.760 probably around the time that we wrote even if it 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.600 breaks your heart, keep on dreaming, even if it breaks 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.000 your heart, And that was the point I think of 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.640 what he was saying was, Hey, this this business can 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.120 break your heart every day because you have so little 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.560 control over what people decide will be heard. And that's 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.800 the thing. There's a crew of people that make those 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.360 decisions that maybe people don't realize, like the public doesn't realize. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.000 I don't even know who that crew is. But um, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.440 some somehow, somewhere, you can only like what you're given. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:17:00.560 And but um, that was very deep. But I'm sure 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.640 that's where it came from. And and you know, we 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.240 were just writing and it is interesting like on you know, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.119 certain times when you get to little speed bumps in 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.160 the road, I go like my owns, maybe I wrote 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.480 that song for me too. Sometimes you know, you go 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.400 like that's not really breaking my heart, but you can 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.400 get this point and going like, yeah, it's a bummer. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.600 I wish politics would have wind up on that. Um, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.040 which is okay, And it's it's such a cool thing though. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.119 It's like, uh, to be able to write and the 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:28.840 fact that any time a song has heard I call 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.879 it a million miracles a good point because it really 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:39.120 is wild, Like it's famous because it was played a lot. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.320 It was a weird thing. Like when a song gets 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:46.080 played a lot on radio, it's because it got played 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.919 a lot on radio. You're not really sure why it 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.760 did or didn't, because you hear great songs and for 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.320 some reason they didn't get heard, and and then you 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.440 hear other songs and you're like, well, that's a cool song, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.960 and even and even the artists would be like, yeah, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.760 it's not my favorite, but but who cares. It worked, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.639 But it worked, And it's it's that weird thing of 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.880 like a million miracles that any of them get heard, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.200 even though something has to be heard, it's it's kind 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.160 of a catch twenty two. But the fact that so 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.600 many people have to forget to say no is is 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.439 it's a million miracles that anything ever gets heard. It 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.120 really is, you know, so you which is that's why 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.480 I'm so grateful that I get songs, that songs have 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.000 been heard that I've been well. The fact you've had 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.199 five number ones, that's crazy. The fact that you have 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.480 written five songs that miracles, You've had five million miracles 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.520 and you are a song writer. And I told you 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.199 this last night because we were a Beyonce which, by 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.080 the way, you met Beyonce and jay Z. I didn't 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.120 even selfie with them because I'm trying to be cool. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.840 I cannot even the way the next time they see me, 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.480 I'll gi them then and be in our sweatpants. Yeah, 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.760 looking like a million she's rocking, like totally cool. Uh. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:01.280 Blues their daughter, right, is that their daughters? Blue? You 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:06.480 met Blue too? So funny. She looked at she looked 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.840 at me and Nally, my wife, and she she was like, 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.119 she was like with her eyes like I see like 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.880 I'm watching you. It was awesome the whole family. Yeah, 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.400 did did you feel normal? Was it like a weird 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.120 feeling or you know, well, I think the more you're 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:29.919 around entertainment, entertainers, music, like celebrities are like we're people 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.600 like everyone, anybody in an audience could be I'm not 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.040 saying anybody could be that because they haven't put themselves 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.600 out there for some reason, it just didn't line up 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.199 or whatever that is. We all have our role in 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.359 this world, and it's not to be famous for some reason. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.440 Some people are it's a side effect of hard work 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:52.119 and whatever that is. Yeah, and uh, but that doesn't 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.359 mean you're the most important person in the world like 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.920 we all are. I agree with that kids are taught 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.359 to be famous through all of TV right now to 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.880 everything I know, So that means like everyone fell at life? 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:09.320 Was there a complete lie? But um, but uh you 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.040 what I was saying before Tangents, It's okay because we 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.199 bring it back. You have a gift for writing songs 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:19.280 that impact people, like you wrote even If It Breaks 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.480 Your Heart, which is such an impactful song. And then 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.119 you wrote she Don't Love You, which is one of 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.520 my favorite songs. Not on Song of the Year. You're 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.160 at the gin Way in my former bandmate, and that 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.879 song was such an impactful song, so gorgeous. You also 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.879 wrote the song deep as It Is Wide. I freaking 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.040 love that song. And We're a Whole? Was that song whole? 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.480 Less than whole? Oh, I'm gonna put that song out someday, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.399 less than whole? And I was instilling in my band 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.760 you played that song. You should at a writer's round. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.320 Can you just sing a little bit of it. There's 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:00.760 nothing like forgiveness to resurrect a soul. Better give and 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.000 get it. I've been forgiven, so I'm letting you know. 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:09.200 Nobody should be less than whole. It's higher than that. Oh, 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.400 and it's like I love the verse of the great 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.920 cloud sound deeparted the stars light up to nine. I've 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.400 waited through the water. It's just a beautiful song. Wrote 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:21.199 it with Big Kenny from Big and Rich. It was 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.560 the first song we ever wrote, and you get really high. 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.000 We figured it's like the Forgiveness song, but we figured 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.960 Don Henley already got that title. And then I realized, 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.720 like every title has been rewritten like eight times this year, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.680 so we should just call it forgiveness. But but less 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.879 than less than whole. That nobody should be less than whole. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.640 That is the message that people need to hear. You 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.760