1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry's here, and Dave is hovering over. It's 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: like a hologram of Obi Wan Kenobi, which makes this 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: short stuff. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: It makes us his only hope. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: That's right, boy, that's tough for Dave. Where his only hope? Sorry, Dave? 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we haven't talked too much. We talked 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: a little bit about the Mafia and stuff like that, 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: but I feel like we have a gap in our 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: sort of al Capone Chicago Mob sort of time frame, 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: like who are the what was the movie The Untouchables 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: that sort. 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: Of era, such a good movie. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of that stuff. So this 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: is maybe the beginning of a little bit more of that. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Okay, this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. As 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: al Capone said. 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: Once that's right, then you got a knife in your back. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: So our story actually takes place in nineteen thirty three. 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: That's when it although it lasted almost the entire decade 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: of the thirties, but by this time, and this is 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: so funny because this whole thing is associated with al Capone. 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: But if we were going to jump to the end 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: and put it at the beginning. Yeah, he probably had 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: almost nothing to do with this. 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: The reason this Chicago milk War as it's called, is 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: associated with al Capone is because his direct descendants, his 29 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: proteges that took over when he was put into federal prison, 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: they were the ones who were involved in this. So 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: he had some sort of kind of like phantom supernumerary 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: hand involved, but no direct involvement. 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like if he wouldn't have been in prison, it 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: would have been al Capone running this milk war. 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: And it would have been ten times bloodier. 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, you're probably right, But like we all know, 37 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: he was in prison for tax evasion, initially right here 38 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: in Atlanta and then eventually in Alcatraz, very famously. But 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: we're talking about the milk war, like you were saying, 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: and this gets a convoluted because there's just a lot 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: of milk unions and delivery driver unions for milk, and 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: they all have similar names, and they most of them 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: are pretty good band names, so it gets a little 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: bit confusing. But we're going to do the best we 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: can to tell you how the mob in Chicago got 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: involved in the milk business. And one of the main 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: reasons is that FDR came along and the writing was 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: on the wall that prohibition was going to be repealed, 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: and that was really bad for the Mob because they 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: were making a ton of money with bootlegging and with 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: the speakeasies. So they're like, we need to divert we 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: need to diversify. So they said, how about milk. It's 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: pretty unregulated and under the radar, and we are already 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: in the food business a little bit. We've run the 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 2: we run the artichoke racket, which. 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Was true crazy. That's the fact of the short stuff 57 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: right there. 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: Well, that and the whisky on some cheese rackets. So 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: they already had the foot and the pro dairy and produce. 60 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: Business, right. So yeah, I guess milk is a logical 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: extension of those. I mean the cheese that makes sense too, 62 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: but it is surprising to go from booze to milk. Yeah, 63 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: but it almost didn't matter what the product was. Sure 64 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: the Mob could figure out a way to completely upend 65 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: the industry. They were early disruptors, I guess you'd call 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: them in twenty ten speak. Yeah, but the way that 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: they did that was through like violence and intimidation, and 68 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: that's the first, the first tactic they tried when they 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: showed up at a guy named Steve Sumner's door, And 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Steve Summner's door was the front door of the office 71 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: of the Milk wagon Driver's Union Local seven point fifty three. 72 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: And the reason why is because Steve Sumner ran that 73 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: he was the union leader, right, and you had said 74 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: this whole thing's kind of convoluted, it is. And the 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: reason why is because from what I can tell, there 76 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: was an uneasy working relationship between the different unions and 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: the different associations that all came together to heart to produce, buy, bottle, sell, 78 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: and distribute milk. And each one had their own competing 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: interests and they were all trying to work together. There 80 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: was some price fixing involved, there were some alliances that 81 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: were all uneasy. But then when the mob came in, 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: they came in kicking on the door and shooting down, 83 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: shooting tommy guns into this whole alliance, and it just 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: created this total chaos that had just been waiting to happen, 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that the mob coming and really triggered. 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: And then some yeah, absolutely, because at the time the 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: milk prices were I guess you would say fixed, right, 88 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: is that the term. Yeah yeah, milk prices were set 89 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: or capped rather, and they had to use union representatives 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: to you know, to drive and deliver this milk, can 91 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: distribute this milk. The Mob of Chicago basically said, all right, 92 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: we're gonna get in on the ground floor. We're going 93 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: to buy an actual dairy, and they bought meadow More Dairies, 94 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: And that's how we're going to get into the milk industry. 95 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: And what we can do is then not have to 96 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: use union employees. We can bypass that fixed pricing and 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: we can undercut by a penny or two what everyone 98 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: else is selling it for and get all the milk 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: money ourselves. 100 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't forget this is during the depression, right, 101 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: So a couple of pennies off of a bottle of 102 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: milk that was selling for eleven cents, Oh yeah, that 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: meant a lot. Like you, yeah, you could make a 104 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: pretty big deal. So there was price fixing, which is illegal, 105 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: and the Mob came in and undermined it by introducing 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: good old American competition to it, which is really weird. 107 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: That's why this whole thing is so hard to kind 108 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: of wrap your head around, because it all is totally nonsensical. 109 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean I feel better because 110 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out why. I couldn't really make the 111 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: most sense of this because it's not the most complicated story. 112 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, they came to Steve Sumner eventually this guy 113 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: named Murray the Camel Humphries, who was one of Capone's fixers. 114 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: If you have a fixer, you're not a good person. 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: Let's just say that. Yeah, that means you're breaking things 116 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: if you need someone to fix things. 117 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: That's a great, great slogan. 118 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I should get that on a T shirt. Huh. 119 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: So they went to Sumner and said, hey, if you 120 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 2: and your union can just lay low for a little while, 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: let us hire these non union workers. We can sell 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: our stuff cheaper, and then you can make a big 123 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: deal about that, and you can protest that. Then we 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: can raise these prices again. And in exchange for this, 125 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: we're not gonna we're gonna offer you protection, which everyone 126 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: knows for the mob means we're not going to destroy 127 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: your milk trucks and firebomb your livery wagons. 128 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: Right, And what's funny is like I can't remember the 129 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: spoof movie that this is in I want to say 130 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: top secret, but I might be wrong. Where somebody comes 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: in some like traditional like maybe gangster criminal comes in 132 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: and starts shooting up the place, and then all of 133 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: these like normal people like pull guns out of nowhere 134 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: and start shooting back unexpectedly. That's exactly what happened with this, 135 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: because the mob came in and said that they were 136 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: going to start breaking heads if everybody didn't fall in line, 137 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: and so all these people in the dairy industry, who 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: were allegedly legitimate went and bombed the mob's dairy the 139 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: moment they the moment they said that they were going 140 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: to do this, they went and bombed their dairy. 141 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: All right, I say we should take a break, because 142 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: that's a pretty remarkable thing. I'm going to I'm going 143 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: to go with Johnny Dangerously. I'm not sure if that's 144 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: true or not. 145 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: Is that it okay? 146 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: But it seems like a likely candidate, And we'll come 147 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: back right after this. 148 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Johnny Dangerously top Secret. It's virtually the same movie. 149 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just a guess. 150 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Boy. 151 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: I saw Johnny Dangerously in the theater when I was 152 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: a kid. I thought it was, oh yeah, funniest thing 153 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: I've ever seen it hit? Some parts of it are 154 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: still pretty funny. I haven't seen in a long time, 155 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: but I think it was. Yeah, Joe Biscopo, Michael Keaton, 156 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: you kidding me? 157 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? The Dear, the dream Team is what they call that. 158 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: Griffin Dunn, yes, Master Chargia. 159 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Did you know? Uh, he's Joan Didion's nephew. 160 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: Of course, he's got a new book out. 161 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Called I'm Joan Didion's Nephew by Joan Didion's nephew. 162 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: You dummy. Emily just got its supposed to be a 163 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: good read, so she's all into that. 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen After Hours? 165 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, of course, good movie. It's course azy baby, Yeah. 166 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: It was, but it's also like a kind of a 167 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: screwball comedy. 168 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the only one he did really. Yeah, all right, 169 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: that's been movie crush. Oh I missed that show. Not 170 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: enough to do it again, though. So we're back. And 171 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: like you said when we left, I believe right before 172 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: I said, Johnny, dangerously, you said, these regular schmos started 173 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: bombing the mobs dairy, And that's what happened, and it's 174 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: just crazy and all of a sudden, you know, this 175 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: milk war has kicked off. 176 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Yes, so I said that there was like a bunch 177 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: of different competing groups. There were the people who made 178 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: the milk. Those are the farm producers. Those are the 179 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: farmers who are like milking the cows, putting into huge 180 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: like canisters, and then selling it to the milk dealers. 181 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: The milk dealers have formed an association and they're the 182 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: ones who were fixing the price. They were saying, hey, farmers, 183 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: this is how much you're gonna get from milk. Don't 184 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: ask for anything more because everyone who's going to buy 185 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: it from you is in cahoots against you. Right, So 186 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: the farmers said, well, this is all crazy. We're just 187 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: going to go on strike. You're not going to get 188 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: any milk unless you guys start giving us a better price. So, 189 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: in addition to this group these people were arguing, there's 190 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: also another group that were involved, and they were the 191 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: stores that sold milk. Okay, they had milk for one 192 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: set price, and they could typically sell it lower lower 193 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: than other companies who used delivery drivers milk men to 194 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: deliver their milk directly to people's homes. Because there's that 195 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: added cost, and then on top of the added costs, 196 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: the milk drivers were unionized. That's what Steve Sumner represented, 197 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: and so they had like a contract with those companies 198 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: saying like, you're going to pay our drivers like a 199 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: good wage. And so there was competition between the companies 200 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: that used union drivers and the companies that just sold 201 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: it directly from stores, and all of them hated each 202 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: other because they were all beating one another up to 203 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: get as much of a margin of profit out of 204 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: the others as they possibly could, because the American public 205 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: were the ones who are like, we're not going to 206 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: pay that much for milk. You guys are gonna have 207 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: to figure this out yourself. 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think the mob ever went up to 209 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: people and went you're going to be eating your granula 210 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: with water? Or did they have cereal by then or 211 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: were they still calling. 212 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: The Paul You remember at Kellogg's episode that was the 213 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: nineteenth century. 214 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That was like the early nineteen ten, 215 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: So they were calling it granula, but they called it 216 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: cereal pretty soon after, right. 217 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you mean. Sure, sure, probably, Yeah. 218 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: I wonder what the first one was, because I think 219 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: they called their corn flakes corn flakes pretty early on, 220 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: so they at least take corn flakes. 221 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: All right, let me do another take. Okay, you're going 222 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: to beat your corn flakes with cereal? 223 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: God, you want to take a third take? 224 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, to take three? 225 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: Okay. 226 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: Uh, I'm going to add a line too. I'm gonna 227 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: improv the line. You're going to be eating cereal with 228 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: water like in the movie Fridays. 229 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: That's all. 230 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to drink it or you had to 231 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: eat it with water. 232 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: Yep. 233 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: Oh boy? Uh, where were we. 234 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about corn flakes? 235 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: Well, in the story, I know there was a band 236 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: name wanted to mention, the Pure Milk Association. Yeah, they 237 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: were one of the union's great band name Post Dealers. 238 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: What about that one? 239 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: That's not too bad? 240 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: Milk Wagon Drivers Union. You know, we haven't taken a break. 241 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: You have? Oh we did? We did? Okay? Good? 242 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Good, I mean we're we're supposed to be done 243 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: by now. So here's what happened. In nineteen thirty nine. 244 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: There was an anti trust case that was going on, 245 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 2: basically with with this you know, monopoly that was happening, 246 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: and the court threw it out. As a district court 247 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: judge that threw it out, I believe it was reinstated 248 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: by the Supreme Court later, but they avoided trial. The 249 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: DOJ said, you know what, if everyone signs and agrees 250 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: to this, then we can get this milk ore over. 251 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: The farmers and the unions. You gotta say that you 252 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: won't stop independent producers from marketing milk. There can be 253 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: independent producers, distributors. You can't fix your prices anymore. And 254 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: drivers you're a union. There's a lot of moving parts here. Yeah, 255 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: you can't hamper the store sales of milk. Like, I know, 256 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: you like delivering to people's houses, but distribution is the 257 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: thing now, and you got to let that. 258 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Happen, right, And so essentially what the Justice Department said 259 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: was you basically need to go the way that the 260 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: mob was trying to take this and go your separate 261 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: ways and compete with one another, like be capitalists rather 262 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: than price fixers. 263 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: Exactly. 264 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: What's funny is there's a quote from Steve Sumner, who's 265 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: just befuddled by this antitrust case that was slapped against 266 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: him and some of the others. He's like, we're trying 267 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: to get the milk flowing again, Like we're just making 268 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: deals here, and they're like, you're price fixing that was 269 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: the problem in the first place, so stop doing that, 270 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: and I got the milk flowing again. I think in 271 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: nineteen forty the whole thing ended. That's right, pretty great stuff, 272 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: the Chicago Milk Oars featuring al Capone in name only. 273 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 274 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Check said that's right twice everybody, and of course that 275 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: means short stuff is out. 276 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: That's right. 277 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. 278 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: For more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 279 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever 280 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: You listen to your favorite shows.