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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Congressoman Lauren Bobert says, I am

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Speaker 1: not doing that when asked about the two hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollars supplemental for Iran. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today. The nation's gene here stops by to

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Speaker 1: talk about the very stupid ways Donald Trump is navigating

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Speaker 1: the Iran war, the Iranian War. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: the bulwarks, Will sommer about the many strains of anti

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Speaker 1: Semitism circling MAGA. But first the.

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Speaker 2: News, Smiley, this headline is just unbelievable. Global oil prices

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Speaker 2: struck in triple digits. We have one hundred and ten

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Speaker 2: dollars a gallon oil now and Goldman sex as it

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Speaker 2: may stay there for years. As I've been reporting diligent

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Speaker 2: reporting on my part. I walked to my corner. I

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Speaker 2: look at the gas station. We're up a dollar and

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Speaker 2: sixty cents since this war started.

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Speaker 1: Who could have told us that going to war in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East would make gas more expensive? Everyone would

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Speaker 1: have told you that, literally everyone.

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Speaker 2: It literally sounds like every day we read a report

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Speaker 2: that it's like this person had told them that this

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were there, we were alive, Like we

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Speaker 1: know what happens. And what happens is that if you

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Speaker 1: go to war in the Middle East, and especially with

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Speaker 1: they close it, everything is going to get more expensive.

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Speaker 1: This is like tariffs, but stupider, totally unforced error, completely

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Speaker 1: self created. And by the way, when you talk to

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Speaker 1: oil people, when you talk to the people who are

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Speaker 1: trading in these markets, they say that we are not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to get back online for a

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Speaker 1: long time. That this is going to be like the

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Speaker 1: supply chain stuff during COVID. Oil is going to be

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Speaker 1: more expensive, Fertilizer is going to be more expensive. Food's

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Speaker 1: going to be more expensive. Plan tickets are going to

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Speaker 1: be more expensive. You are going to feel this. Even

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump said the war is over, we win tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: he won't be able to put the genie back in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Mollie, many people were shocked this morning that

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Speaker 2: Trump put out a policy report. Oh my god, like

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Speaker 2: this doesn't happen, but it was on AI. And you'll

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Speaker 2: be really shocked to hear that it's basically trying to

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Speaker 2: block states from being able to regulate AI because this

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Speaker 2: administration is totally captured by the AI bosses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be surprised to know that Trump's policies are

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Speaker 1: just nothing, no regulation, no anything. Now, the good news

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Speaker 1: for Trump is the democrats policies when it comes to

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Speaker 1: technology are also nothing. So we are going to likely

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Speaker 1: be ruled by AI OVERLA. I mean, who even knows

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Speaker 1: what they'll do. It's not going to be good. Congress

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Speaker 1: should pre eminently state, by the way, Congress, you'll remember

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Speaker 1: Congress as the thing Donald Trump almost always ignores, should

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Speaker 1: preempt state AI laws that impose undo burdens to ensure

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Speaker 1: a minimally burdensome national standard consistent with these recommendations, not

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Speaker 1: fifty discording ones. Here's what it is. Donald Trump gets

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Speaker 1: a lot of money from the AI lobby, just like

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Speaker 1: a lot of other politicians, just like Chuck Schumer, god

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Speaker 1: love them, has a kid who works in technology. All

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Speaker 1: of these people are low key compromised by the tech lobby.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to tell you this is what it is. And

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Speaker 1: so here we have Donald Trump trying to prevent state regulation.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, and you're going to see a lot

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Speaker 1: of ads about kid safety. Do you know why you're

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Speaker 1: going to see a lot of ads about kid safety?

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Speaker 1: Tell me, because kid safety is the low hanging fruit, right,

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Speaker 1: the idea that chatbots are making children kill themselves. Like

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Speaker 1: if you were a government that was going to regulate anything,

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Speaker 1: would be useful, should be useful. But that is not

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Speaker 1: what's happening here, right. They are trying to make it

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Speaker 1: you'll see this when you hear ads for like meta

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Speaker 1: care about online safety. What they're doing here is gas

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Speaker 2: Yep. And it's very funny. When you read the Trade

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Speaker 2: magazine's documentaries right now, all you see is every documentary

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Speaker 2: but why so this is a really fun report from

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Speaker 2: the Times an Aran Gaberd turned intelligence duties over to Trump.

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Speaker 2: That's like one of the worst headlines I've ever read

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Speaker 1: Yes, so here we are Telsey Gabbard again. Telsey Gabert's

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Speaker 1: job is this PDB, this Presidential Daily Brief. We know

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump doesn't read it. We knew this, We've heard this,

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Speaker 1: a hearing where during the Senate Intelligence Committee, Gabbard was

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Speaker 1: she told Trump that there was an imminent threat, that

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Speaker 1: Iran posed an imminent threat. And what they were trying

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Speaker 1: this was actually not imminent. Was it could have happened

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Speaker 1: so she did everything she could to punt it. And

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Speaker 1: here we get this headline. And again what is worth

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Speaker 1: seeing is like these people and in mister Kent's letter,

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Speaker 1: we talk about how he is really not a hero

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Speaker 1: because he's resigning largely because of anti Semitism, But in

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Speaker 1: So instead of saying the truth, Tulsea had to sort

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Speaker 1: of bob and weave through it. This is You're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to give you a report from one

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Speaker 2: Scoop Tolci Gabbert's political staff expect that she's about to

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how it plays out because we can

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Speaker 2: never tell because all the liars are always lying.

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Speaker 1: Whoa correct?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the liars lying, the Trump team changed a

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Speaker 2: report to hide how bad Doge made things, particularly with

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Speaker 1: Administration shows that just like the TSA, you're going to

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Speaker 1: report on that you know why, because these people are

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Speaker 3: Here, Welcome Molly.

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Speaker 1: You are here to talk about America's forever wars.

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Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait wait no, no, no, we

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Speaker 4: elected a MAGA president who promised no more forever wars

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: No more forever wars except for this one.

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Speaker 4: Yes, because we just like almost war alcoholism, So you

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Speaker 4: know that that's always great logic.

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Speaker 3: One last one. This is it. We're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 3: put now. I'm sure has having those thoughts on both

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Speaker 3: alcohol and war.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I still have a little money in my

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Speaker 1: this bar right next to the casino.

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Speaker 3: That's it, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Obviously things are not going well with the frever war,

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Speaker 4: you know, like obviously a lot of people have drawn

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Speaker 4: the in lga with Iraq in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 4: and there's something there. And I actually think one of

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Speaker 4: the things we're witnessing now is that the insurgency in

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Speaker 3: Building up again. I mean, this is one of the

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Speaker 3: old big worries. And I believe that the US is

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Speaker 3: trying to evacuate the Green Zone. It was just like

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Speaker 3: the web. There were a hold onto during the Iraq War.

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Speaker 4: I think listen, you should also think about another moment

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Speaker 4: in American history, which is like nineteen sixty five where

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Speaker 4: Lindon Johnson was drawn into Vietnam with Operation Rolling Thunder.

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Speaker 4: I think it's more pertinent because the Iraq War, will remember,

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Speaker 4: pr campaign weapons of mass destruction, don't let the woking

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Speaker 4: gun be a mushroom cloud. Yeah, there's some of that,

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Speaker 4: but I mean it's what's interesting here is like there's

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Speaker 4: actually not really been a real effort to sell this,

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Speaker 4: and it's more like the physician Lyndon Johnson found himself

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Speaker 4: in where you know, like against I think Johnson's better judgment,

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Speaker 4: he was kind of like Railroad had been presented a

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Speaker 4: set of bad options where it's sold like you know,

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Speaker 4: you're you're either going to lose or you have to

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Speaker 4: send in another undred thousand troops, another two hundred thousand troops.

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Speaker 3: It was that sort of you.

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Speaker 4: Know, sinking into alcoholism situation where like you know, just

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Speaker 3: And so now we're seeing like you know, like.

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Speaker 4: The calls for like sending the Marines to the Strait

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Speaker 4: we saw in Iraq, like actually the vast number of

436
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Speaker 4: people who are like wounded or traumatized or whatever. And

437
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Speaker 4: we have like no sense of that except that it

438
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Speaker 4: already seems to be like at least in the hundreds,

439
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Speaker 4: you know, if not thousands. But obviously the governments in

440
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Speaker 4: the region have some sense, and they I mean ideal.

441
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Speaker 4: I think the Gulf States are so trapped between pressure

442
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Speaker 4: from the America to join in, and you know, their

443
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Speaker 4: anger at Iran for being attacked, but also their anger

444
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Speaker 4: at the US and Israel for like having caused this war.

445
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Speaker 4: And if you look at like Trump's like he did

446
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Speaker 4: actually did a tweet this morning, his returnal strategy is

447
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Speaker 4: to say to NATO and to the Gulf State allies,

448
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Speaker 4: you know, we don't need you, your pathetic, your losers.

449
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Speaker 4: Oh by the way, can you help us this strait

450
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Speaker 4: of from us? You know, it's is like literally you

451
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Speaker 4: start tweeting out this morning, and I mean it's basically

452
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: a neggting strategy, you know, like while you're disgusting and pathetic,

453
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Speaker 4: let's go for dinner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it is like the Europeans. And it's funny

455
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Speaker 1: because I was just talking to different people are in

456
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Speaker 1: Europe and they really fucking hate US. I mean, you're

457
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Speaker 1: in Canada, so you can tell me about this, but

458
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Speaker 1: like the Europeans hate US. Everyone in Scandinavia fucking hates

459
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Speaker 1: US for the Greenland staff, Like, so talk us to

460
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Speaker 1: what our allies look like at this moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I yeah, I mean I think that's exactly right.

462
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Speaker 4: I think there's like a huge intense level of anti

463
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Speaker 4: Americans on a popular level, Like I think, yeah, like

464
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Speaker 4: you know, I know you want to see it impulse.

465
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Speaker 4: I mean, like the US is now considered you know,

466
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Speaker 4: more grain gifts in China in like all the ally countries.

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Speaker 4: I mean on the government level, like obviously you have

468
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Speaker 4: governments that are tied into NATO that are relying on

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Speaker 4: US military exports for things like the Ukraine War. And

470
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Speaker 4: so therefore I started like walking on tiptoes, but are

471
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Speaker 4: also like kind of thinking like how.

472
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Speaker 3: Do we get out of this?

473
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Speaker 4: How do we like you know, it's like you're in

474
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 4: a toxic relationship and you got to think, like, Okay,

475
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Speaker 4: what stuff can I move into my friend's house? Like today,

476
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 4: so so so that like, you know, like if I

477
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 4: have to run away next week, everything is in place,

478
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Speaker 4: like what bank accounts will have to change. I think

479
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Speaker 4: people are looking for an exit strategy, not just from

480
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Speaker 4: Trump but from the US, and I think that's what

481
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Speaker 4: Carney's uh, you know, famous speech was all about, Like

482
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Speaker 4: not about immediate action because they are really tied to

483
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Speaker 4: the US in a lot of ways, but long term,

484
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Speaker 4: like you know, like how we build ties with China,

485
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Speaker 4: right that are at least not run by lunatics.

486
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Speaker 1: It's so dark, It is so incredibly dark.

487
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm all a find of the Chinese government,

488
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Speaker 4: but like they have at least some interesting stability like

489
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Speaker 4: they seem to want to have, like the world trade

490
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Speaker 4: run smoothly. I mean we're basically heavy towards a global

491
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Speaker 4: depression that was caused by two men like Trump and Nehingahu.

492
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Speaker 4: The larger consequences of that for both Israel and the

493
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Speaker 4: United States are like, you know, they're not going to

494
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Speaker 4: be good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah gee, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, but the fund never ends.

497
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Speaker 1: Will Sohmer is a reporter at The Bulwark and the

498
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Speaker 1: author of Trust the Plan. Hello Will Soma.

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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me back.

500
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when we used to know. Anyway, I

501
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: was going to reminisce, but no one wants.

502
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Speaker 5: That good old days.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the good old days. Okay, now we have the

504
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: good new days. Candace Owens versus Erica Kirk discuss Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So you know, obviously this has been going on for

506
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Speaker 5: a couple months, but as we join here today, there's

507
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Speaker 5: been a bit of a development. Candace or her or

508
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: sort of her acolytes, appear to have gotten their hands

509
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Speaker 5: on Erica Kirk's shopping registry or shopping history at the

510
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Speaker 5: Aloe Yoga Company. People may know these are the ubiquitous

511
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Speaker 5: clothes and the hats with the logo. You know, if

512
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Speaker 5: you're on vander Pumper rules, you're probably wearing them a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's yoga clothing that basically just looks like it comes

514
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Speaker 1: from the gap.

515
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Speaker 5: Yes, and you know, not my style, but people love it.

516
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Speaker 1: Very expensive.

517
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Speaker 5: So this week someone got her Erica's essentially receipts. Presumably

518
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Speaker 5: someone within the ALO leaked her shopping history and it

519
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 5: showed that I think the day after Charlie Kirk was shot,

520
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 5: she had bought a bunch of clothes at ALO. And

521
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 5: now this was well, there's an explanation. But basically, you know,

522
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Speaker 5: this plays into the kind of like Erica Kirk is

523
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Speaker 5: this feeling, this queen who went on a on a

524
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Speaker 5: you know, an aloe shopping spree after her husband's murder.

525
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 5: Now one of Erica's associates has said, well, you know,

526
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Speaker 5: we had to fly out to Utah. No one had

527
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 5: any clothes because we didn't pack bags, and so she

528
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Speaker 5: gave me her credit card to go buy some outfits

529
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Speaker 5: for people, which I think makes some sense. But this

530
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Speaker 5: is really being taken as like, you know, just another

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Speaker 5: a bit of a proof of the conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 1: This is so stupid. I'm sorry, I so, but I

533
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Speaker 1: want to We're going to talk about this for another minute.

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Speaker 1: So Candice Owens basically believes that Charlie Kirk was murdered

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Speaker 1: for speaking out about Israel.

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Speaker 5: That's right, yes, And like you know, it can be

537
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Speaker 5: a little hard to like get a handle on it

538
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 5: because there's like so many characters. Like at some point

539
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Speaker 5: she'll say the French Foreign Legion was involved, or she

540
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Speaker 5: said that there was like a cult that worships bees

541
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Speaker 5: that might have been involved. But kind of where it

542
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: stands the like it's sort of the one takeaway that

543
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 5: you should have is that you know, yes, she thinks

544
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Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk was murdered for opposing a future or with

545
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Speaker 5: Iran and Israel, did it okay?

546
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Speaker 1: Candice Owens really hate Macrone and he's like, she's like

547
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Speaker 1: obsessed with missus McCrone. I want you to talk about

548
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: that backstory. You've come on and talked about it before,

549
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: but just explain why France might figure into this.

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00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, So when she left the Daily Wire, she was

551
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: looking for kind of like a thing that would you know,

552
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: make her career big, and she latched onto these old

553
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 5: claims that Brigitte Macrone, the first Lady of France, is

554
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Speaker 5: trans and not just that, but that she's part of

555
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 5: a sort of centuries old criminal trans cabal that is

556
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Speaker 5: also needless to say, Jewish, and so she.

557
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Speaker 1: One would hope.

558
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 5: So she got really into this and now the Macrones

559
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 5: are suing her, you know, I think credibly she's claimed

560
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: that Trump with the Macrones asked Trump to to shut

561
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: her up essentially, and so now of course the Macrones

562
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Speaker 5: have been folded into this, and it's a convenient conspiracy

563
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 5: theory to sort of act like anything French or French

564
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 5: American or anything is evil because you'll look, I mean,

565
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Speaker 5: French is the major economy, so you look around and

566
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: you go, oh my gosh, this guy's French. Or the

567
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 5: DuPont family, the Pont Chemical company is French. And so

568
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 5: so it's a very lucrative, you know, vein for her

569
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Speaker 5: to mine.

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Speaker 1: I also think that when we talk about Candace, she's

571
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Speaker 1: constantly this is a thing conspiracy theorists do. She's constantly

572
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Speaker 1: trying to connect things. Yes, so France, McCrone, anti trans,

573
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Speaker 1: anti Semitism, like there are different veins in the party

574
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Speaker 1: where they're already I mean, MAGA has already anti Semites

575
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Speaker 1: and it has anti trans people. So this is a

576
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Speaker 1: way to get all of those different groups engaged, right, Yeah.

577
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Speaker 5: I mean I think you're right on the money. I mean,

578
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: and you can you know, you can draw in. I mean,

579
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Speaker 5: she all these characters are people that you know, she's

580
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: kind of slimed in the past. Or she'll say, well,

581
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Speaker 5: you know, Harrika Kirk went to a charter school, and

582
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Speaker 5: you know who really promotes charter schools as Bill Gates,

583
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Speaker 5: and you know we all know about Bill Gates. And

584
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: then you know, I mean, it is these things that

585
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 5: are so broad, Like she'll say this charter school had

586
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Speaker 5: a lot of Jewish teachers, you know, like, you know,

587
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 5: what do you think of that? So you know, she's

588
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: pulling in all these things, and she's playing on this

589
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: kind of post October seventh, this discontent among young people,

590
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 5: even a lot of young Republicans with Israel, and so

591
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 5: she's kind of drawing all these different threads in.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think is really important

594
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Speaker 1: to sort of pause and talk about here for a

595
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Speaker 1: minute is that her anti Semitism. She felt that Charlie

596
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Speaker 1: Kirk was kind of hers Yes, I want you to

597
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Speaker 1: talk that through.

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Speaker 5: This is interesting. I mean there's obviously a lot of

599
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Speaker 5: speculation that because you know she's out with this series,

600
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Speaker 5: this Bride of Charlie suggesting you know, after for a

601
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Speaker 5: while she was going after the French Foreign Legion or whatever.

602
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Speaker 5: And then now in the past, you know, ever since

603
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Speaker 5: they had this kind of peace summit broker by Megan

604
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 5: Kelly in December that pos did not work, and now

605
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Speaker 5: I mean, who better of a conciliator And now she's

606
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Speaker 5: sort of directly hitting her, hitting Erica Kirk. And so

607
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Speaker 5: you know, people are saying oh, you know, Candice was

608
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Speaker 5: in love with Charlie Kirk. All this stuff me. I

609
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 5: don't like to speculate. However, I will say in the

610
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Speaker 5: past couple of weeks it's gotten a bit odd. She's saying, well,

611
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Speaker 5: here's Eric Kirk telling the story of how she met Charlie,

612
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 5: and it's like they were in an airport whatever, they

613
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Speaker 5: bumped in on it. But then Cannas says, but what

614
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: Erica Kirk leaves out is that I was there too,

615
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Speaker 5: and you know why she cutting me out of the story.

616
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Speaker 5: And if you take this out outside of the realm

617
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Speaker 5: of politics and YouTube drama and whatever, if you had

618
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Speaker 5: a situation where there was like a girl best friend

619
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Speaker 5: who was saying and then his girlfriend never mentions how

620
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 5: that I was there when they met, you say, huh,

621
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 5: is there something going on here? Is this an affair

622
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Speaker 5: of the heart.

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Speaker 1: It is also, though, easy to love someone who's no

624
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: longer here, right, Like, it's part of that. You can

625
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: lieonize someone who's dead, especially someone who gets murdered. But

626
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Speaker 1: what I want to talk about here is that Candace

627
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Speaker 1: is actually super popular. This is not some rando like

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Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking. You and I for years

629
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Speaker 1: and years and years, and it used to be these

630
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: people were really on the fringes, right. You would go

631
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: to Seapack, you would see the guy with the brick

632
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: wall suit, you would see the MyPillow guy. You would think, well,

633
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Speaker 1: these are very fringe characters, and yes they're hilarious, but

634
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: they're really on the outskirts. But explain to our listeners

635
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: just how popular Candice Owans is, because she is, like

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's basically she's got a sort of level

637
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: of fame that is pretty intense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean the brick wall suit guy, you know,

639
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 5: his name is brick Suit. He's basically the Republican establishment

640
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: at this point. Is he'll go out there and say like,

641
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: well the canus is getting a little crazy, you know,

642
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 5: I think, I mean, she's really enormously popular. And that's

643
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 5: a good thing to underline in a way that I

644
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 5: think a lot of these people, even like someone like

645
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Speaker 5: Laura Lumer, who like is interesting, it is influential in

646
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: her own way. But Cannas has broken out into kind

647
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: of the broader, mainstream, non Trump world like d git celebrity. Oh,

648
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: I mean, her podcast right now is kind of trading

649
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 5: the number one spot with Rogan on Apple and so

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is like really an enormous thing. And

651
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Speaker 5: when you watch her show, and I mean, you know,

652
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Speaker 5: it is really like, you know, she's endorsed the idea

653
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Speaker 5: that like Jewish people drink children's blood and stuff. I

654
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: mean it is like Hidlarry Levels stuff, and all these

655
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: people are consuming it. I mean, I was getting my

656
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: haircut and the barber was, you know, otherwise a liberal woman,

657
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: and she said, you know, oh, but you know, I

658
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 5: gotta say Kennist was really onto something with this idea

659
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Speaker 5: that Erica Kirk murdered her husband what And I hear

660
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Speaker 5: this a lot just kind of out in the world,

661
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Speaker 5: and so you know, it's you know, each of her

662
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Speaker 5: videos is pulling three four million on YouTube, which is

663
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Speaker 5: are like enormous numbers, and she's doing it four times

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Speaker 5: a week, I think. And so I mean, this is

665
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Speaker 5: someone who does really have a lot of influence in

666
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Speaker 5: the culture. Broadly.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Lumour to get us to

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Speaker 1: Joe Kent. I saw a tweet yesterday from Laura Lumor

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Speaker 1: that I was convinced was not real. Do you know

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Speaker 1: the tweet I'm talking about.

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Speaker 5: Well, she just met with the Dali Lama?

672
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Speaker 3: Was that it?

673
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Speaker 1: Did she really meet with the Dali Lama.

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Speaker 5: She's on the tour of India, She's on her Nirvana quest.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, No, I'm going to read you this tweet

676
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: because I think it's really important, and it's also more

677
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Speaker 1: important than that. It also I think speaks to some

678
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: of what's happening now in this I literally saw it

679
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, that can't be real. You know,

680
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: as I do many times a day, that can't be real.

681
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: I used to mock Democrats when they said the future

682
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: of the GOP is Nazism. They were not wrong. Tucker

683
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: has been glorifying Hitler on his show. Kent lost his

684
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Speaker 1: congressional campaign when he was exposed for going on a

685
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: Nazi adjacent podcast. This is after Cernovich said a Tucker

686
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: Carlson Joe Kent ticket would steamroller anything Democrats or Republicans

687
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Speaker 1: could bring.

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Speaker 2: Go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, honestly, I too have been thinking about

690
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 5: the Tucker Carlson Joe Kent ticket. So yeah. So, Laura,

691
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Speaker 5: it's funny. I think when she's referring to the Nazi

692
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Speaker 5: adjacent podcast, I think she's talking about Joe Kent's sort

693
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Speaker 5: of frenemy relationship with Nick Fuentes. Now, who else has

694
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Speaker 5: hung out a lot with Nick Fuentes and appeared at

695
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Speaker 5: his conferences.

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Speaker 1: Laura Louverer.

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Speaker 5: This idea, I mean, I mean she's right on, Like,

698
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Speaker 5: I mean, there is this like Groyper, the Nick Fuente's followers.

699
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Speaker 5: I mean, we see like every few months we get

700
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Speaker 5: a young Republican operative racist group chat leak where I

701
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 5: mean the people who are really kind of like the

702
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 5: future of the Republican Party are just like insanely racist.

703
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Speaker 5: I mean, there was one that came out among Miami

704
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: operatives a few weeks ago that was just nuts. So,

705
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think she's right on there. I mean

706
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Speaker 5: she's in a sort of challenging position. A lot of

707
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Speaker 5: the energy, the dynamoism in right wing media right now, unfortunately,

708
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 5: is with these anti Semites. People who kind of play

709
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Speaker 5: with it, are deep in it, you know, whether it's

710
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Speaker 5: Nick Fente's, Tucker Carlson, Candastanes and Laura is Jewish obviously

711
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Speaker 5: and very pro Israel, and so she's kind of stuck

712
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Speaker 5: in this world with Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, I

713
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Speaker 5: think they're losing audience share. I mean I think on

714
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 5: one hand, I mean, obviously they were able to get

715
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Speaker 5: a war with Iran, But I think that like.

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Speaker 1: She puts too fine a point of yeah, I.

717
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Speaker 5: Mean, she's kind of jammed up there, and so I

718
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Speaker 5: think now she's belatedly realizing, like, wait a minute, was

719
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 5: it wrong for me to platform a Holocaust? And I

720
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Speaker 5: are like Nick went'es, like, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 5: they're the's gonna be a ton of introspection there.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this idea that we're seeing this

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Speaker 1: anti semitism vein, because I want you to tell the

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Speaker 1: story of Joe Kent. He works under Tulsi in whatever

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Speaker 1: it is Tulsi does, he decides to resign. This is like,

726
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Speaker 1: we have yet to see anyone break with Trump as right,

727
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: You basically can only get kicked out if you do

728
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: a grift so big it's like the same amount of

729
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: money as making two Barbies, right the movie. But otherwise

730
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Speaker 1: you can't. You basically can't ever get kicked out. And

731
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Speaker 1: nobody ever breaks with him despite the fact that he's

732
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Speaker 1: doing absolutely the opposite of everything he promised on the campaign,

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Speaker 1: except Joe Kent. So talk us through that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Joe Ken had this. You know, he ran

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Speaker 5: for Congress twice. He got beat by Marie Glues and

736
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Speaker 5: camp Perez is obviously kind of a prominent politician herself,

737
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Speaker 5: but he was really this guy that I think people

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Speaker 5: in this more at the America first they're Marjorie Taylor Green, Tucker,

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Speaker 5: Carlson wing thought. You know, he had this extensive military background.

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Speaker 5: His wife was killed in an ISIS bombing, and so

741
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Speaker 5: he had this kind of claim to be like, look,

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Speaker 5: I'm like a tough national security guy, but I'm sick

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Speaker 5: of these forever wars. He had this real background, He's handsome,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's kind of like it looks like a

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Speaker 5: war guy. And so I think there was a lot

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Speaker 5: of political hope placed on him. And as you said,

747
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Speaker 5: he was working for Tulsea Gabbard. They're in this kind

748
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Speaker 5: of like non Neocon wing of the administration. And I

749
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Speaker 5: think him quitting is really interesting. For one thing, he

750
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Speaker 5: didn't leave quietly. He didn't just sort of resign and

751
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: lead us to assume why he'd resigned. You know, he

752
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 5: said Trump is being misled. I mean, he really went

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Speaker 5: on the war path, and I think it puts an

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Speaker 5: interesting amount of pressure. I think this war. If you

755
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 5: look at the polls, yes, you know, eighty eighty five

756
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 5: percent of Republican voters are okay with the war. But

757
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Speaker 5: I don't think there's like a lot of like energy

758
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Speaker 5: like we gotta do the war. On the other hand,

759
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Speaker 5: the opponents of the war are really energized, and I

760
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Speaker 5: think in a few years or even a few months,

761
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Speaker 5: this could be a situation where anyone who's sort of

762
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Speaker 5: supported the war in the administration is going to be

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Speaker 5: really damaged politically. And so Joe Kent is kind of

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Speaker 5: raising the stakes and he's saying, I think if you

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Speaker 5: want to run for president, someone like Marco Ruby or

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Speaker 5: j D. Dance. These people aren't going to resign obviously,

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Speaker 5: but they're gonna, I think, face tougher questions about their

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Speaker 5: role in the war because someone like Joe Kent was

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Speaker 5: able to resign.

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Speaker 1: Joe Kent is not a Miles Taylor. We will not

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Speaker 1: be seeing him on MSNBC. Explain why.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he's a very unsaving guy. I mean

773
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Speaker 5: in terms of his associations. You know, I mentioned Nick Fuentes,

774
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Speaker 5: he had a proud Boy working for his campaign. He

775
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 5: really kind of emerges from these right wing fever swamps.

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Speaker 5: And if you read his resignation letter, he says, you know, well,

777
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Speaker 5: my wife was killed in this war created by Israel.

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Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about isis like the serience Civil War.

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Speaker 5: I guess you know. I mean he's a guy who's

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Speaker 5: like very anti Israel, and it is coming from it

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Speaker 5: from a very what we would you know, call like

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Speaker 5: a paleocon, this kind of isolationist right wing point of view,

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Speaker 5: someone who like you know, from the Steve Bannon point

784
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Speaker 5: of view, is like anti semitism. Yeah, yeah, I mean

785
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 5: anti semitism, this idea of like, well, we should not

786
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Speaker 5: be doing these wars because I want to focus on

787
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 5: using political capital for nefarious things domestically and like deportations.

788
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Speaker 5: And so you're right, he doesn't really fit into this

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Speaker 5: sort of never Trump mold.

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Speaker 1: No, he is not going to be organ at the

791
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Speaker 1: bulwark where you are.

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Speaker 5: He's not going to the cubicle next to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, he's really like, you know, national socialist. Now,

794
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Speaker 1: this is why he has such a tight relationship with Tucker.

795
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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about this. So what the

796
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Speaker 1: war has done has made the people who are anti war.

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Speaker 1: So this is like the weird VENN diagram. Right, I'm

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Speaker 1: anti war. I hate war. I think it's stupid, I

799
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Speaker 1: think it's expensive. I think it's not our job. But

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Speaker 1: Tucker Cross and his anti war but for a very

801
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Speaker 1: different reason. So explain sort of the anti Semitism, anti

802
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Speaker 1: war stuff that we're seeing pop up in the party.

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean, so there is this, you know, from

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Speaker 5: people who are just sort of about American support to Israel.

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Speaker 5: But then I think often that shades pretty easily into

806
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Speaker 5: anti Semitism. Someone like Candice Owen's I mean, Tucker Carlson

807
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Speaker 5: had said, you know, the Hubbab Jewish organization had sort

808
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Speaker 5: of led America into this war. There is this sense

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Speaker 5: I think of like, you know, once you start saying,

810
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Speaker 5: you know, Israel's like pulling all the strings, I think

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Speaker 5: pretty quickly it becomes anti Semitic. There's just like a

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Speaker 5: lot of energy in that group right now, even if

813
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Speaker 5: the administration, I mean they seem to have very little

814
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Speaker 5: influence over it. I mean, Tucker Carlson has claimed, you know,

815
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Speaker 5: he was going to the White House to try to

816
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Speaker 5: stop the war. Obviously he failed. Now both Tucker and

817
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Speaker 5: Joe Kent are reportedly under some kind of Justice Department investigation,

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Speaker 5: and so I think that group they have a lot

819
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Speaker 5: of energy with the grassroots. And that's why I think

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Speaker 5: in a year or two, we're going to be looking

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Speaker 5: at this as something really notable that he resigned.

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Speaker 1: One of the great things about this administration is you

823
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Speaker 1: can't tell who's lying. So do you think they're under investigation?

824
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Speaker 1: Do you think I'm going to give you multiple choice here.

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Speaker 1: Do you think someone told them they were under investigation

826
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Speaker 1: to scare them but they're not really under investigation, or

827
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Speaker 1: do you think they're actually under investigation.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's say it one by one. I mean in

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Speaker 5: the case of Joe Kent, I mean semaphore. Notice all

830
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Speaker 5: these people have reported it with like mini sources that

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Speaker 5: there is this leak investigation into Joe Kent, supposedly for

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Speaker 5: a leaking to Tucker. I mean, come on, like Tucker's

833
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Speaker 5: in the White House constantly. I mean, it strikes me

834
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Speaker 5: it's not like he's leaking to Russia or something, you know,

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Speaker 5: it strikes me as really pretextual.

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Speaker 1: And they said Tucker talking to foreign governments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and then that goes into the Tucker side

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Speaker 5: of it. So he claimed that the CIA made a

839
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Speaker 5: criminal referral to the Justice Department over his contacts with

840
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Speaker 5: Iranians or people kind of associated with the Iranian cause. Tucker,

841
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: it's obviously kind of a hard guy nailed down what's true.

842
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Speaker 5: I suspect he's not making it up out of whole cloth.

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Speaker 5: Mark Caputo did some reporting claiming that, well, there's not

844
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Speaker 5: a CIA investigation. But you know, I feel like these

845
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Speaker 5: things could be shaded in different ways, And as you said,

846
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Speaker 5: perhaps it was kind of like, hey watch out, Tucker.

847
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Speaker 5: You know, maybe you should clam up a little bit.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting, though, and I think if there were a

849
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Speaker 5: prosecution of either of them, it would be I mean,

850
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Speaker 5: obviously you don't need me to tell you. It would

851
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 5: be an apollcable moment in the MAGA media civil war.

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Speaker 5: The idea of like we're going to send Joe Kent,

853
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Speaker 5: this kind of martyr for this right wing anti war cause,

854
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Speaker 5: We're going to try to send him to prison, particularly

855
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Speaker 5: when the Trump administration has flouted has basically anyone who's

856
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Speaker 5: a Trump supporter gets to break the law at will

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Speaker 5: and get a pardon, I think would be crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one last question, because you keep mentioning this and

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Speaker 1: I think it's important. I just want your opinion here.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like this anti Semitism, anti interventionist wing

861
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Speaker 1: of the party is strong enough so that it might

862
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Speaker 1: take over MAGA.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a very good chance it will take

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Speaker 5: over MAGA. I mean, I think particularly when you talk

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Speaker 5: about young people, you know, I think there's this kind

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Speaker 5: classic like Sean Hannity viewers. Obviously there's a lot of them,

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Speaker 5: but you know they're not going to live forever and someday,

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Speaker 5: I think when you just look at the young people,

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, look, take another example, James fish Back

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Speaker 5: down in Florida running for governor, a guy with an

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Speaker 5: unbelievably terrible resume, a Charlotte and you know, more than

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Speaker 5: two million dollars in deck currently, like just totally manufacture

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Speaker 5: this campaign at a whole cloth. And yet because he's

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Speaker 5: aligned himself with Nick Fuentes, because he's been critical of Israel,

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Speaker 5: he goes to the Dennys that have a campaign Evander

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Speaker 5: the waffle House and he's mobbed with young people. And

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Speaker 5: so look, he's not going to win the primary. But

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Speaker 5: I think there is a real and if you had

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Speaker 5: a candidate, you know, he obviously has these these allegations

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Speaker 5: about a relationship with a seventeen year old when he

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Speaker 5: was in his twenties, this illegal relationship. If you had

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Speaker 5: a candidate who wasn't facing all those issues, I think

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Speaker 5: they'd be doing a lot better. And obviously there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of them, and so I think potentially this

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Speaker 5: kind of shows the way for these kind of groper

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Speaker 5: type candidates to have a lot more success. Not good, Molly,

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Speaker 5: If I can make one more point, you can look

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Speaker 5: at Megan Kelly, who I think is really kind of

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Speaker 5: going where the wind blows, and she's very much avoiding

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Speaker 5: fighting someone like Candace or Nick Fuentes, And I think

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Speaker 5: that tells you all you need to know about the

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Speaker 5: direction of the party.

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Speaker 1: Not great, not great, Thank you well.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, thanks for having me. They're no more perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon, I jump fast.

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Speaker 2: Would you be shocked if I told you that the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration is messing with the census to try to

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Speaker 2: make it so that undocumented people are not counted and

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Speaker 2: other things that will help them get Congress back since

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Speaker 2: their policies are unpopular.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I would not be shocked. I would not be surprised.

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely believe that one hundred percent. Is it true?

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Speaker 2: According to this article in one of our favorite newsletters,

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Speaker 2: Notice it is true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it. Trump World tried to fuck with

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Speaker 1: the census in its first administration. They will do it again.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it works for them, but they're

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Speaker 1: certainly going to try. That's what we're looking at here.

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Speaker 1: So I believe it. I know it to be true.

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Speaker 1: They're also going to make it very intrusive so that

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Speaker 1: people won't necessarily want to fill it out because they'll

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Speaker 1: be scared. Remember, world has this really scary ice situation

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Speaker 1: where we do really find that a lot people are scared.

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Speaker 1: And again, that's why they want to use them for

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Speaker 1: the midterms. That's why they want to put their finger

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Speaker 1: on the scale with the census, because they know that

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Speaker 1: none of this is popular. That's it for this episode

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