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Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. Tonight, when you get in bed, turn
Speaker 1: on the movie and doze off. Imagine this, seven police
Speaker 1: officers bust down your door with a battering ram and
Speaker 1: shoot your partner six times, leaving her for dead. Let
Speaker 1: that sink in say her name. Brianna Taylor. Those closest
Speaker 1: to Brianna have come together for their first interview. Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor's mother to meet her Palmer, her sister Jenia, and
Speaker 1: her boyfriend Kenny, who was with her the night she
Speaker 1: was killed. So this is the first time the three
Speaker 1: of you have done an interview together since that horrific night.
Speaker 1: I just want to say it is an honor to
Speaker 1: have you guys here with us, and this is a
Speaker 1: story that has always been supremely important to our family
Speaker 1: and I'm just glad you agreed to talk to us. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Yeah, before Brianna Taylor became a
Speaker 1: global rallying cry in the name of justice, she was
Speaker 1: a dedicated twenty six year old E M T who
Speaker 1: worked two jobs to save for nursing school. Her friends
Speaker 1: and family knew her as free and say her infectious
Speaker 1: smile and big personality could light up a room. She
Speaker 1: posted about her dream of marrying her boyfriend Kenny and
Speaker 1: becoming a mom. Do you want to be my baby daddy? Were?
Speaker 1: Those dreams were tragically and senselessly cut short and the
Speaker 1: only hours of March has Brianna and Kenny watched a
Speaker 1: movie in bed, they heard loud banging on their apartment door. Terrified,
Speaker 1: they had no idea what was happening. Within seconds, Brianna
Speaker 1: had been shot six times and lied dying in her hallway.
Speaker 1: Now I want to their emergency. I don't know, always
Speaker 1: happy to somebody kick in the door inside my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: After two and a half years of denial and deception
Speaker 1: by officials, the appalling truth about Brianna's death is finally
Speaker 1: coming out. The police lied and then tried to cover
Speaker 1: it up. Wow, you know, it's just it's it's really
Speaker 1: really hard to sit here and listen to that again.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how difficult it is for you guys.
Speaker 1: M Kenny, you were with Brianna that night that she
Speaker 1: was killed. Can you take us through that tragic day
Speaker 1: that they didn't begin so tragic? Neither one of us
Speaker 1: could have ever imagined it, and then the way it did.
Speaker 1: It was a normal day. We were out to eat,
Speaker 1: just enjoying each other's company, just me or we was
Speaker 1: tired after so we're just gonna go in the house
Speaker 1: and just chill. That's what makes the situation even more crazy.
Speaker 1: What place do you feel more safe than in the
Speaker 1: comfort of your own home, thinking it's been a good
Speaker 1: day and it's gonna be a good night. I can
Speaker 1: remember the night still pretty heavily. We began to watch
Speaker 1: a movie, um, Freedom Writers. But she fell asleep on me,
Speaker 1: like she did that a lot, so I probably kind
Speaker 1: of doze off too. There was a banging on the
Speaker 1: door started both of us. It was late at night.
Speaker 1: Rihanna and Kenny had no idea that just outside their
Speaker 1: front door, seven plane clothes police officers were waiting to
Speaker 1: serve a search warrant one we now know was based
Speaker 1: on faulty information and lies. The focus of their investigation
Speaker 1: is Brianna's ex boyfriend, who was arrested earlier that night.
Speaker 1: Ten miles away. So you know someone's knocking on your
Speaker 1: door at one o'clock in the morning. That's weird. When
Speaker 1: I say who is it, at least give some type
Speaker 1: of brief explanation of what's going on. Brianna says, who
Speaker 1: is it? Loud, there's no response. There's nothing on in
Speaker 1: this apartment but the TV, which is down low because
Speaker 1: we were planning to go to sleep on it anyway.
Speaker 1: There's no other lights on, there's no other sounds. So
Speaker 1: just like we can hear someone knock on the door,
Speaker 1: they should be able to hear her saying who is
Speaker 1: this a couple of seconds ago. By now we're getting up,
Speaker 1: trying to put on some clothes and go see who's
Speaker 1: at the door. There's another bang at the door. She says,
Speaker 1: who is it? Again? There's still no answer, something like
Speaker 1: now it's getting even weird. So now I was thinking,
Speaker 1: as the police's way out of the question. After you've
Speaker 1: banged on the door twice and not said it's the police.
Speaker 1: I'm not a criminal or felon. She's not a criminal felon,
Speaker 1: So we have no reason not to open the door,
Speaker 1: even if it may have been the police, which we
Speaker 1: don't have a clue who it is at this time.
Speaker 1: If he would have told her who you were, she
Speaker 1: would have opened the door, because she's one of those people.
Speaker 1: She's never been in trouble in her life. Of course,
Speaker 1: I grabbed my gun, which is legal. I'm a gun
Speaker 1: owner and still have a legal gun licensed till this day. Now,
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm getting mad, is it? Now? I'm
Speaker 1: saying who is it? Along with her? Still nothing. When
Speaker 1: we get up to exit the bedroom to see who's
Speaker 1: at the door, the door burst open. I'm a supposed
Speaker 1: to stand there and say, oh, who's breaking in? Or
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do something about it right now?
Speaker 1: When they burst in the door? What happened? Right after that?
Speaker 1: I shot my gun. I just feel like, what other
Speaker 1: choice do I have it? When you have that, you
Speaker 1: have the right to stand your ground. That being said,
Speaker 1: once I shoot my gun, any person in that right
Speaker 1: mind should feel like, whatever you're coming here for, it's
Speaker 1: not worth it. So that shouldn't make you turn around
Speaker 1: and go the other way. So never, in my wildest
Speaker 1: imagination could I have thought that thirty or however many
Speaker 1: shots would have been coming back right right. The New
Speaker 1: York Times scoured thousands of legal documents and hundreds of
Speaker 1: hours of testimony to recreate, almost second by second, what
Speaker 1: happened the night Grihanna was killed. The voices you're about
Speaker 1: to hear are Kenny and the three officers who fired
Speaker 1: their guns that night, Sergeant John Mattingly, Detective Brett Hankerson,
Speaker 1: and detectives. Cause growth, the light on the bedroom, the TV.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing a lit up blur or we pulled
Speaker 1: out what happened in the final minutes of Brianna Taylor's life.
Speaker 1: A full telling of that story has been impeded because
Speaker 1: none of the seven police officers who rated her apartment
Speaker 1: used body cameras, a violation of police policy. When seven
Speaker 1: officers begin the rate at am, they noticed the lights
Speaker 1: are off except for the flicker of a TV in
Speaker 1: a bedroom. The only light is this lamp opposite her door.
Speaker 1: When we all got in line, knocked on the door,
Speaker 1: banged on it. The police are supposed to be conducting
Speaker 1: and knock and announce rate, but that's not what Mattingly
Speaker 1: says happens. At first. We didn't announce the first couple
Speaker 1: because our intent was to give her plenty of time
Speaker 1: to come to the door. Banged on the door, no response,
Speaker 1: banged on it again, no response. At that point we
Speaker 1: started announcing ourselves. Whether the police announced themselves clearly enough
Speaker 1: is a critical issue in this story. I can hear
Speaker 1: somebody in sad. I can hear her, But after knocking
Speaker 1: and waiting for her forty seconds, they decided they've given
Speaker 1: her enough time to respond and rammed the door open.
Speaker 1: In the last time, has said, let's just hear it.
Speaker 1: After the third hit, it flew open, and that's when
Speaker 1: it hit the fan. As we're coming to the door,
Speaker 1: the door light comes off the hinges like an explosion.
Speaker 1: Mattingly steps into the doorway and puts himself in what
Speaker 1: police describe as the fatal funnel, a position vulnerable to
Speaker 1: gunfire and hard to move from. I could see down
Speaker 1: the hallway and there's a male and a female sabbath
Speaker 1: shoulders shoulder. The apartment has lit only by the breezeway
Speaker 1: light that's coming from behind Mattingly and the faint glare
Speaker 1: of the TV and Taylor's bedroom. Thinking it's an intruder,
Speaker 1: Walker Ameslow shoots once and hits Mattingly in the thigh.
Speaker 1: Mattingly immediately returns fire I got four rounds off, and
Speaker 1: it was like boom boom, boom, boom boom. Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's a whole lot of sharts. Mattingly
Speaker 1: fires two more rounds when he falls and takes cover.
Speaker 1: Almost at the same time, Cosgrove moves in and fires,
Speaker 1: stepping on Mattingly in the pro says, and although he's shooting,
Speaker 1: he appears to have no idea what's happening. I see blinding,
Speaker 1: vivid white light and blackness at the same time. I
Speaker 1: don't hear any gunfire at all ever, and I did
Speaker 1: not have any hand sensation or any recollection that that
Speaker 1: I'm firing. He continues shooting blindly until he runs out
Speaker 1: of ammunition. If you told me I didn't fire again,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'd be like, okay, I believe.
Speaker 1: In response to Walker's shot, Mattingly and Cosgrove together fire
Speaker 1: four shots into a chair, cupboards, and a stove in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. Two bullets go into the ceiling and passed
Speaker 1: through the living room in the apartment above. Three more
Speaker 1: shots go into the living room wall to the right,
Speaker 1: and the officers fire thirteen rounds down the hallway, where
Speaker 1: Taylor and Walker stood. Taylor is shot six times on
Speaker 1: both sides of her body in the abdomen and chest,
Speaker 1: her arm, and leg, and twice in her foot. An
Speaker 1: FBI ballistics report found that both of them shot Taylor,
Speaker 1: and one of the sixteen rounds Cosgrove fired was the
Speaker 1: lethal bullet. We both dropped to the ground, but her screaming,
Speaker 1: thinking they're under attack. Some of the officers flee when
Speaker 1: they hear a pause and shooting. I can hear the
Speaker 1: firing as I'm going, as I'm making the corner, but
Speaker 1: I can see the flashes, the muzzle flashes, but the
Speaker 1: only ones shooting our police. Even though all the curtains
Speaker 1: are drawn. Hankinson blindly fires five bullets through the patio windows.
Speaker 1: My only option was to turn fire, and I did
Speaker 1: that to the muzzle flashes. He moves and fires five
Speaker 1: more rounds through the bedroom window of Taylor's sister, who
Speaker 1: wasn't home. The bullets that go into the living area
Speaker 1: passover Taylor's sofa and kitchen table and smash her clock,
Speaker 1: three penetrate the wall and enter her neighbor's apartment. Those
Speaker 1: bullets also smashed the kitchen table, hit a wall, and
Speaker 1: shattered the patio doors. At the rear, a pregnant woman,
Speaker 1: her son, and partner were home. In total, the police
Speaker 1: fire thirty two bullets, penetrating almost every room and taylor apartment,
Speaker 1: and three minutes after police came to search her home,
Speaker 1: a fatally wounded Taylor is lying on the ground. Wow.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand, Like, nothing about it makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. What is in need of these many shots? Exactly? Kenny,
Speaker 1: when you were in there, what did you think was happening?
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what you thought was happening. I
Speaker 1: couldn't either. You had no idea, no idea. So when
Speaker 1: all those shots were fired, you were there with Brianna.
Speaker 1: You still don't know what's happened. So they're outside of that,
Speaker 1: they're shooting outside into the apartment. Absolutely, so they don't
Speaker 1: come into the apartment. They stay outside and they shoot
Speaker 1: into the apartment. When I shot my gud, I never
Speaker 1: saw anybody and I was pitch black. Tamaica. How did
Speaker 1: you find out what happened? Kenneth called me and says,
Speaker 1: someone kicked the door in and they shot three And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? Because I was
Speaker 1: asleep at the time. I jumped up out of the
Speaker 1: bed and dropped the phone. I remember I called you
Speaker 1: after I called my mom first because I don't know
Speaker 1: what else to do with when Trump and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, really what just happened to She's like,
Speaker 1: called the police. No, I want want to wear their
Speaker 1: emergency because I don't. I don't go always happy to
Speaker 1: somebody kick in the door and shot my girlfriend. Okay,
Speaker 1: how that's your girlfriend? She's twenty six burn you said
Speaker 1: the share alerting able to talk? See No, she's not breathe. Okay,
Speaker 1: you said your an apartment number before he Yes, what's
Speaker 1: the kids? Welcome? You said, see what she's been shot
Speaker 1: at that? So okay, she learned able to talk to you?
Speaker 1: M Oh my god, oh god? Can you get her
Speaker 1: turned over on her back? I don't be a serency
Speaker 1: where she out. Oh, I'm gonna go n canness? Can
Speaker 1: you hear me? I just want to say, having to
Speaker 1: relive this, it's really painful. H But because so much
Speaker 1: is going on in the world, so many people get desensitized.
Speaker 1: That's why we want to just tell the story and
Speaker 1: the way that we're telling it so that people can
Speaker 1: be reminded how tragic this is and the importance of
Speaker 1: continuing to fight and talk about this. Yeah, Kenney, then
Speaker 1: what happened. I called the police, you know, so I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that here to help, and I'm right here holding
Speaker 1: pretty as she's bleeding, and I'm still not knowing that
Speaker 1: it was the police that did this, but I'm now
Speaker 1: knowing that they're outside. Now I hear them yelling outside,
Speaker 1: have come out. So I'm like, I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a black man, you know, in America. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go out there trying to explain too much or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the only way for her to possibly even
Speaker 1: get me up as if I go outside. So either
Speaker 1: they're gonna shoot and kill me and then they come
Speaker 1: help her, or they're gonna talk to me and then
Speaker 1: they'll come help her. Either way, I have to go outside.
Speaker 1: That's where all the footage, you know, started, after the rage.
Speaker 1: The scene outside is chaos. Around this time, Taylor's boyfriends
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker is being arrested. You've been hit. You're talking.
Speaker 1: Come on, women here, Lucas, there might be a big inside.
Speaker 1: Keep walking back works, you're scared, right, walk back, walk
Speaker 1: back to Walker had calls and neighbors had hurt. His
Speaker 1: pleas for help. That's what's going on. But at one am,
Speaker 1: almost twenty minutes after the shooting, the police still don't know.
Speaker 1: Taylor is critically injured inside. There's somebody in there, dead,
Speaker 1: girlfrid it's around nice. We have to go in or somebody.
Speaker 1: What is this about? We're focus a beglar worker people,
Speaker 1: where's your here? I don't get keep walking where we
Speaker 1: had in the bad We was scared. As Walker is
Speaker 1: being led out, Spot gets ready to secure the apartment.
Speaker 1: What them friend friend looks like Claire getting a messenger
Speaker 1: from checker polls. Only now half an hour after the
Speaker 1: raid began, does an e MT finally check Taylor? She's done? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And later, as two officers stand guard, they take in
Speaker 1: the scene. They see Taylor's uniform she worked as an
Speaker 1: emergency room technician in city hospitals. They note the bullet holes,
Speaker 1: neighbors outside the SWAT officers debriefing what they've seen cameras
Speaker 1: author this is watching the video and you're trying to
Speaker 1: get how for Brianna, And there's no compassion for the
Speaker 1: fact that there's a dying woman and having no passion,
Speaker 1: no concern they actually stepped over her. Also the fact
Speaker 1: that you are trying to save your girlfriend. You have
Speaker 1: no idea what is going on. Nobody is explaining anything
Speaker 1: to you. These people are treating you like a criminal.
Speaker 1: Having it pieced together like this, it just gives use
Speaker 1: so much more reality on what actually occurred. And um,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I just want to say that because
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine there's no no amount of sorries
Speaker 1: that that can't even fix it, you know, But it
Speaker 1: just goes to show you how important it is to
Speaker 1: tell the story story because through all of it, we're
Speaker 1: dealing with that rage, we're dealing with that disappointment. We
Speaker 1: don't really get to let the loss and what has
Speaker 1: actually happened to despair settling. Oh yeah, I know about that.
Speaker 1: I never got to that was of course in jail,
Speaker 1: Like immediately after one of the people said he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: were you shot? And you said no, and then he
Speaker 1: said that's UN's unfortunate. So I'm like, I just why
Speaker 1: do you feel comfortable enough to even say something like
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of objective that everyone's missing,
Speaker 1: mind you, how they're searching and nobody's hoping her still
Speaker 1: they nobody even tried toe of the no it's in
Speaker 1: this video, try to help, and they tell her she's dead,
Speaker 1: leave her alone. No one of them stepped over her,
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, she's gone, and they kind
Speaker 1: of like chuckled, like you know, it's like a So
Speaker 1: after that, the police know that she is hurt from
Speaker 1: that nine one one call, and they paid no attention
Speaker 1: to Brianna, and then they arrest you. They were actually
Speaker 1: guys on the scene that I went to school was
Speaker 1: and stuff that were officers. So when I was in
Speaker 1: the back of the police car, hear people outside and
Speaker 1: they're just acting like it's a normal day on the job.
Speaker 1: They're just shooting jokes. And I see one of the
Speaker 1: guys that I went to school with, like he wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to me, but the other guys just kind
Speaker 1: of like nah, And he really didn't defend me, like
Speaker 1: right there with him, even though he knows he went
Speaker 1: to school, he's never seen me in trouble, he's never
Speaker 1: seen just kind of went along with what they were
Speaker 1: saying about me right there. But then you know, another
Speaker 1: one of them that I knew who was on the scene,
Speaker 1: he kind of sat back. But then you know, he
Speaker 1: ended up apologizing to me, you know, at a later day, like, man,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, you know, all this was going on.
Speaker 1: So he left off the scene then pulled over in
Speaker 1: a random parking line. Another unmarked police car was up
Speaker 1: behind the city police car that I'm in. A guy
Speaker 1: comes down and he's talking to me. I'm in the back,
Speaker 1: of course, with the handcuffs, and they rolled my window down. Now,
Speaker 1: his mood and vibe is totally friend than the ones
Speaker 1: who were just on the scene. He's not yelling at me,
Speaker 1: he's not threatening me, and saif he's like, hey, how
Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm like, man, where's Brianna. Is Brianna Okay?
Speaker 1: He said, we'll talk about that when we're getting her
Speaker 1: to the station. We just want to let you know
Speaker 1: there's been a huge misunderstanding and we're going to get
Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. Is what was said to me.
Speaker 1: I'm asking, like, where's Brianna was right now? He's like,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that when we get down here. So
Speaker 1: they took you to jail, and Brianna, as far as
Speaker 1: you know, was still in the house. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: the last time I saw her in the hallway, I mean,
Speaker 1: once I come out clinging to life at that point,
Speaker 1: exactly if they would have did their jobs, did what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do when someone's entering on a crime scene,
Speaker 1: just supposed to render them a if they would have
Speaker 1: shot both of you, I just wonder would they have
Speaker 1: just been like, well, I guess time to go back
Speaker 1: to the station, Like I don't under like there's nothing
Speaker 1: to wonder think of. It is if Kenny wouldn't have left,
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have never known what have that night,
Speaker 1: because they've never been honest about the situation. Kenny lets
Speaker 1: off one shot and to return fire with they were
Speaker 1: determined to not leave a witness. That's a really good
Speaker 1: point to me. That is a really good point. Determined
Speaker 1: not to leave a witness. Police took Kenny to the station,
Speaker 1: where they interrogated him for hours. Of course, now I'm
Speaker 1: knowing what they're probably accusing me of at this point,
Speaker 1: so I'm scared, Like they're trying to ask me questions
Speaker 1: about me or I'm like listen, I'll get to that
Speaker 1: to me, like whords Brianna is Brianna okay? Like is
Speaker 1: she alive? And nobody's answering my questions. So I had
Speaker 1: to find out, like what happened on the news sitting
Speaker 1: in jail. They didn't say her name or mine, but
Speaker 1: they said what happened, and they said a woman was killed.
Speaker 1: That's how I found out. Oh wow, that's how you
Speaker 1: found out. How I found out? Well, Kenny was being
Speaker 1: taken to jail to Mika arrived at Brianna's apartment to me,
Speaker 1: because when you arrived, you weren't allowed and for several hours.
Speaker 1: When I got there, that's like flooded with police cards.
Speaker 1: Do All you see is these red and blue lights everywhere,
Speaker 1: And there's an officer at the end of the road,
Speaker 1: and I tell them who I am and why I'm there,
Speaker 1: because Kenney is the one who called to inform me,
Speaker 1: you know, what had happened. This officer tells me that
Speaker 1: two ambulances went through there and that I needed to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital, and so I do. The lady
Speaker 1: there tells me to hang tight, that they don't see
Speaker 1: her yet. I'm there for almost two hours, and so
Speaker 1: then she finally comes back and says, there's not even
Speaker 1: a record of this person being on the way, And
Speaker 1: so I jumped up and I ran out of there
Speaker 1: because I have to go back, like something is wrong.
Speaker 1: And I pulling down to where the apartment is, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of officers just kind of hanging around, laughing
Speaker 1: and joking around with each other, and and so of
Speaker 1: course I'm instantly charging through and they're like, you can't
Speaker 1: go through there. What's going on? And again I tell
Speaker 1: them who I am and why I'm there, and so
Speaker 1: they told me to hang tight that a detective would
Speaker 1: come over and talk to me, which took about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes to another hour. Yeah. He asked me if
Speaker 1: I knew anybody who would want to hurt Brianna or
Speaker 1: Ckinny and and I'm like, absolutely not. And he asked
Speaker 1: me if Brianna and Kenny have been having any problems.
Speaker 1: And I said, are you insinuating that Kitty did something
Speaker 1: to Brianna because he would never do that, And he
Speaker 1: said no, I'm just trying to figure out what happened
Speaker 1: here tonight. When did you find out that Brianna had passed?
Speaker 1: It wasn't until about eleven thirty am. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and Angel, we had been out there since one a help.
Speaker 1: The detective comes back over and says, it won't be
Speaker 1: much longer that we'll be able to get in there
Speaker 1: and somebody. This time, I'm pissed, like I'm screaming at him, like,
Speaker 1: why won't you tell me where Brianna is? I need
Speaker 1: to know where Briann is. And he just looks at
Speaker 1: me and says, well, ma'am, she's still in the apartment.
Speaker 1: And so I I knew what that meant. I knew
Speaker 1: what it meant. He never said it, but I knew.
Speaker 1: And I said to him, I need to see her.
Speaker 1: How do you know it's her, And he said, well,
Speaker 1: we've identified her through paperwork. So they never took her
Speaker 1: to the hospital. They never even attempted to help her.
Speaker 1: What was really crazy is that Brianna was the first
Speaker 1: and the first responders failed her. They just left her
Speaker 1: there all those hours. And it wasn't so that hurt
Speaker 1: on the TV that the police was in a shootout
Speaker 1: with a known drug dealer and seize Brianna's apartment on
Speaker 1: the news that I learned that the police had shot her,
Speaker 1: because they never told me that when I was there,
Speaker 1: and so to um to leave there and still I
Speaker 1: know what happened, was saying yeah, and then the detective
Speaker 1: gave me a card to call, and I immediately started
Speaker 1: calling because I couldn't understand how I was there for
Speaker 1: over twelve hours and nobody told you. Yeah, and of
Speaker 1: course they never called me back ever, WHOA wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: I just think the disrespect and disregard for life, for
Speaker 1: for family, Like I think on top of that, they
Speaker 1: just knew something specifically fishy was going on. They just
Speaker 1: wanted to go the beginning of the yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 1: there was like the understood that this was a huge mistake,
Speaker 1: and then they just went for a cover of That's
Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me. As hurtful as it is,
Speaker 1: it's just with the narrative they tried to put out
Speaker 1: at first, and how they tried to criminalize me and
Speaker 1: Brianna is even more the reason why I just feel
Speaker 1: the need to keep speaking. Yeah, Like I think that's
Speaker 1: why God kept me alive. I just want to know
Speaker 1: how any of this is justified me as a legal
Speaker 1: gun owner shoot from inside protecting my home and go
Speaker 1: to jail immediately for murder of a police officer before
Speaker 1: anybody even it was it was murder the first time
Speaker 1: where I went, I want to say like court or
Speaker 1: something like and then they came back. So that's crazy too.
Speaker 1: I think the only crime I committed that I was
Speaker 1: being black right. Kenny's charges were amended to assault and
Speaker 1: attempted murder of a police officer, a crime that carries
Speaker 1: a sentence of twenty years in prison. Kenny was locked
Speaker 1: up in heartbroken, could not even attend Brianna's funeral or
Speaker 1: any of the memorial services. It took a full year
Speaker 1: for judge to permanently dismiss all charges. To this day,
Speaker 1: Kenny is the only person to have served jail time
Speaker 1: in this case. Kenny was the only one who went
Speaker 1: to jail. The injustices are just infuriating. Jenia, you live
Speaker 1: with your your big sister, Brianna. Where were you that night?
Speaker 1: I wasn't caliph for you tell us about your big sister.
Speaker 1: There's really no way to describe her because she just
Speaker 1: was her. Yea, she was like a second mom. She
Speaker 1: was definitely trying to tell you what she was. She
Speaker 1: thought she were six years of six months apart, right right?
Speaker 1: Can I just ask you guys, what kind of healing
Speaker 1: process have you had through this? I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever gotten a chance to grieve. Um, it turned into
Speaker 1: this huge ordeal for simply trying to figure out what happens.
Speaker 1: It's like we're the only people in the world saying
Speaker 1: that they didn't rb it. I'm sorry, it's okay, and
Speaker 1: you're fighting the whole world. Yeah, and nobody listening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can't let go, you can't grieve right, because
Speaker 1: this is a lot. I just thank God for them
Speaker 1: because they still love me. They know how much I
Speaker 1: loved her, So they're really the only reason I'm even
Speaker 1: you know, okay here today. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: ever said this before publicly, but before all this, I
Speaker 1: would have never thought I would go see like a therapist,
Speaker 1: and then, on top of as a black man whis
Speaker 1: kind of naturally taught that that's not like yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm beyond that now because I ran
Speaker 1: out of options, yes, and I know what else to do.
Speaker 1: Is hurting all day every day, and I'm saying I
Speaker 1: cried a lot. I still cried to this day, but
Speaker 1: I definitely had to start seeing therapists. So now just
Speaker 1: trying to deal with the loss of Brianna, I have
Speaker 1: to deal with my everyday mental struggles everywhere, Like I
Speaker 1: don't feel real comfortable. I just moved in a place
Speaker 1: by myself for the first time, and my gun is
Speaker 1: definitely right there. Definitely paranoid, nobody knows where I live,
Speaker 1: that PTSD exactly like real, fearful of a lot of things.
Speaker 1: As much as it hurts, I have to keep pushing
Speaker 1: and as much strength as they give me. Some days
Speaker 1: I'm just like like, I just can't do this, you know,
Speaker 1: but I know that I have to do this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's hard, it is, But I'm really happy that
Speaker 1: you found someone you can talk to, because this right
Speaker 1: here has been a devastating experience. Have you ever gone
Speaker 1: back to the apartment all the time? I go over there,
Speaker 1: just really like, does it make you feel closer to her?
Speaker 1: And it just gives a sense of relief. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: still like being the same Yeah, the last space you
Speaker 1: were with her. Yeah, they never think about like that.
Speaker 1: I might have to go over there with you, right
Speaker 1: and to meet that. I feel like you've gotten caught
Speaker 1: up in the fight and that has been your saving grace.
Speaker 1: But also I'm wondering if it's keeping the focus off
Speaker 1: of your own healing because you've been so busy with
Speaker 1: the fight for justice for her. Absolutely. Of course, people
Speaker 1: keep telling me that I need to, you know, seek counseling,
Speaker 1: but I don't have the time. Like people are still
Speaker 1: dying and being killed by the police. You would think
Speaker 1: between George and Brianna and am like that these officers
Speaker 1: would not want to move cricket. But every day there's
Speaker 1: still more happening. And I remember needing people to stand
Speaker 1: up for me and and needing people to save Briana's name.
Speaker 1: So now I'm this person to go and stand up
Speaker 1: for other people. And yeah, and that is part of
Speaker 1: the hills, is it becomes too much because they're there's
Speaker 1: still people who have the nurse to say she got
Speaker 1: what she deserved and you know, you hang out with
Speaker 1: drug dealers, this is what happens, or Kenny got her killed.
Speaker 1: Even after the FBI, the d J everybody are telling
Speaker 1: you are the things that went wrong in this process,
Speaker 1: and people will still blame her for what happened. It
Speaker 1: becomes so much You've been labeled a drug dealer and
Speaker 1: a thug all kinds of simple research and the simple
Speaker 1: research and because to clearly say, I don't know how
Speaker 1: many time I have to tell people they were not
Speaker 1: there for Kenny, what are you even talking about? What
Speaker 1: story are you watching? My name wasn't even on the
Speaker 1: stake right right right when I'm gonna call it. I
Speaker 1: just tried to protect myself and Brianna, and I was
Speaker 1: legal while doing it, exactly. That's the part. You're legal
Speaker 1: while doing it. I didn't cross their lines with bunch
Speaker 1: of illegal guns to just harm a bunch of random people.
Speaker 1: I didn't like us, you know. I was in the
Speaker 1: house with your girlfriend. Somebody knocked on the door three
Speaker 1: times and didn't say who they were, and then the
Speaker 1: door got busted down. You were protecting yours, So we
Speaker 1: got a very good friends back. Mallorie social justice warrior,
Speaker 1: is the reason so many of us even know Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor's name. She has been a relentless voice for Brianna
Speaker 1: and this beautiful family. Absolutely was up to maka hey family.
Speaker 1: It's too many people I love in one room anybody
Speaker 1: to make it. First of all, I just want to
Speaker 1: give you your flowers right here and now, because you
Speaker 1: from day one, Yes, we're on top of this. You've
Speaker 1: been boots on the ground. Because of you, our family
Speaker 1: got involved. I thank you all so much because you
Speaker 1: all supported us and believed in us, Jada and your family,
Speaker 1: everybody with lovers. Then we were in the living room
Speaker 1: talking to like, this is what we're gonna do. We're
Speaker 1: going We're going to Louisville. What we're mad It's justice
Speaker 1: for our sister. That's all today, for calam we do
Speaker 1: another to make up. We wanted to come here, show
Speaker 1: our love and amplify your boys, amplified the life of
Speaker 1: your daughter. Yeah, thank you all so much for having
Speaker 1: me on um. I feel really emotional just trying to
Speaker 1: be part of this conversation. I've been fighting for male
Speaker 1: victims of police brutality my whole life. Brianna Taylor was
Speaker 1: the first woman that from start to finish, I was
Speaker 1: engaged in with Until Freedom, my organization that I'm co
Speaker 1: founder with three other really incredible individuals, and we said,
Speaker 1: you can't just kill this black woman and get away
Speaker 1: with it. You had a speech that went viral that
Speaker 1: I really think got culture moving. This is not a
Speaker 1: good cop versus bad cops situation. This is a mad
Speaker 1: rb being shot down by white men on the streets
Speaker 1: of Georgia. Brianna Taylor being killed in her home, and
Speaker 1: so we are in a state of emergency. Black people
Speaker 1: are dying in a state of emergency. Enough is enough,
Speaker 1: and there's an easy way to stop it. Arrest the cops.
Speaker 1: Charge the cops. Charge all the cocks, not just some
Speaker 1: of them. Charge them in every city across America where
Speaker 1: our people are being murdered. That's the bottom line. Charge
Speaker 1: the cops, do your job, doing what you say. This
Speaker 1: country is supposed to be about the land of the
Speaker 1: free for all. It has not been free for black people.
Speaker 1: And we are tired. There you go, that's when I
Speaker 1: first saw that, That's what I'm saying. It was that
Speaker 1: passion that really put fire under a lot of us. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: here we are again, yeah, here we are wanting the
Speaker 1: cops to be charged. And they've been charged, but not
Speaker 1: for killing Brianna, which is so infuriating to me. It's
Speaker 1: now exactly five months since Louisville police used a no
Speaker 1: knock warrant to busting Brianna Taylor's department and then kill her,
Speaker 1: Yet there are no arrests or charges. When the world
Speaker 1: found out about Brianna Taylor, millions were outraged that the
Speaker 1: police involved had not been charged. Hundreds showed up at
Speaker 1: the home of Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron, demanding justice.
Speaker 1: Seven were arrested, including Tamica Mallory. This is Tamika Mallory
Speaker 1: being arrested for no reason. We have fallen out from
Speaker 1: the grand jury decision in Louisville, Kentucky, no police officers charged,
Speaker 1: and the shooting depth of Brianna Taylor. That decision sparked
Speaker 1: more massive protests around the world. Our investigations showed Mattingly
Speaker 1: and Cosgrove were justified in the return of deadly fire
Speaker 1: after having been fired upon by Kenneth Walker. Members of
Speaker 1: the grand jury accused Cameron of protecting the officers from
Speaker 1: homicide charges and lying about it. They called for his impeachment.
Speaker 1: Re Jurors complained that they were limited in what crimes
Speaker 1: they could consider. All seven officers who were at the scene.
Speaker 1: John Mattingley, Miles Cosgrove, Brett Hankerson, Mike Nobles, Michael Campbell,
Speaker 1: Anthony James Sean Hoover are all three men. Cameron is
Speaker 1: still in office, but just two months ago new charges
Speaker 1: were filed. This case involves three additional officers who were
Speaker 1: not present the night Brihanna was killed earlier today. I
Speaker 1: spoke with the family of Brianna Taylor this morning. They
Speaker 1: were informed for the Justice Department has charged for current
Speaker 1: and former Louisville Metro Police Department officers with federal crimes
Speaker 1: related to Miss Taylor's death. Those alleged crimes include civil
Speaker 1: rights offenses, unlawful conspiracies, unconstitutional use of force, and obstruction offenses.
Speaker 1: Goodlett has already pleaded guilty. Trials are set to begin
Speaker 1: in early next year. Brianna Taylor should be alive today.
Speaker 1: I want to make it clear so people understand this
Speaker 1: wasn't easy. It was hard. It was four months then
Speaker 1: two years of real struggle. And you know, Jada, you
Speaker 1: know you got the calls from us for me saying,
Speaker 1: I just don't even know like what to do. At
Speaker 1: this point, we were losing our minds because we knew
Speaker 1: the warrant was a lie. We were treated like criminals
Speaker 1: by the state of Kentucky, by the city of Louisville.
Speaker 1: We had surveillance over the homes that we lived in
Speaker 1: that we rented for the four months that we were
Speaker 1: living there. At times we would wake up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night and it would be thirty to
Speaker 1: forty police cars circling the community where we were living.
Speaker 1: We had neighbors that didn't want us there. We were
Speaker 1: being arrested for protests and demonstrations. We had to do
Speaker 1: all that, all of that to try to get a
Speaker 1: little bit of justice for one black woman. It's too much,
Speaker 1: and trying to fight the corruption that's in the city
Speaker 1: with the police department, you know, like, what's his name, Daniel,
Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron. Then he's running for governor, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: insult on top of insult, We're going back to Kentucky
Speaker 1: for Daniel Cameron. Please, I'm going to watch my mouth
Speaker 1: as I speak. He had said day, but I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you that Daniel Cameron, to me, is disgusting to
Speaker 1: learn that they were only going to indict one officer
Speaker 1: for the wall, the neighbor's walls, where no one was
Speaker 1: even harmed on the other side, but still not for
Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor. The jurors themselves came forward they said, if
Speaker 1: we had been presented with those charges, we would have indicted.
Speaker 1: That's what we were looking for, and that's not what
Speaker 1: they were presented. And that was the whole point of
Speaker 1: the Grand jury and for Dan Cameron to put forth
Speaker 1: his name to run for governor because the streets knew
Speaker 1: about the warrant. The streets knew about all the dirty
Speaker 1: things that happened that night. So you can't tell me
Speaker 1: that your office couldn't find out. And if they couldn't,
Speaker 1: then everyone there is incompetent and the entire office needs
Speaker 1: to be shut down. So you definitely don't need to
Speaker 1: go run for governor because you can't even find information
Speaker 1: that Pokey has on the street. Right now, You go
Speaker 1: outside and ask Pookey and he will tell you about
Speaker 1: the warrant being a lie. So how you're gonna be
Speaker 1: the governor and run the entire state of Kentucky. Since
Speaker 1: we're all in the legal we're gonna we're gonna brace
Speaker 1: Sinon's brilliant senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, Laura Coates. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see you all, but gosh, for this,
Speaker 1: it's so hard. I'm so sorry to the family. It
Speaker 1: is so unbelievable to think that this is where we are.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because the work I do is
Speaker 1: trying to make sense of things. So much of our
Speaker 1: history in this country is about making the law confusing.
Speaker 1: It's about being able to exploit those who are relatively
Speaker 1: powerless to say, I don't know what this means, I
Speaker 1: better go ahead and tune out, and therefore I'm no
Speaker 1: longer powerful. Therefore I no longer have a sense that
Speaker 1: I can do something about it. Can you possibly explain
Speaker 1: why they are not able to get a direct charge
Speaker 1: of the killing of Brianna Taylor. There's a thing called
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. It makes it very difficult
Speaker 1: at times for police officers to be charged to the
Speaker 1: full extent of the law, because there's a Supreme Court
Speaker 1: case Graham versus Connor that essentially says, look, we are
Speaker 1: going to allow the actions of a police officer when
Speaker 1: they use force excessive or otherwise, to be judged not
Speaker 1: by all of us, but instead of the lens and
Speaker 1: perspective of other officers. And that sounds a lot like
Speaker 1: allowing the file to guard the handhouse right. And so
Speaker 1: this case, love has been you've interpreted to me, might
Speaker 1: be too difficult to pursue a charge against an officer
Speaker 1: because the overwhelming amount of history in this country has
Speaker 1: been to say the benefit of the doubt goes to
Speaker 1: the person in the uniform, not to the person who
Speaker 1: has been victimized. Why can't the case be brought back
Speaker 1: to the grand jury in Kentucky now that all the
Speaker 1: information has been revealed. I don't know why they have
Speaker 1: chosen not to do so. They certainly could. It is
Speaker 1: very routine that sometimes a grand jury decides that they
Speaker 1: don't want to indict at this time against the prosecutors
Speaker 1: do bring a new grand jury or bring more information,
Speaker 1: and they charge that person later. It doesn't have this
Speaker 1: finite period in time, so legally they could do it.
Speaker 1: They just have chosen not to so far. But they
Speaker 1: certainly have the opportunity to bring charges. It is important
Speaker 1: to break down where we are in the case it's
Speaker 1: happening now. There is the warrant itself, the application for
Speaker 1: the warrant. For a warrant to be issued, you have
Speaker 1: to have an affidavit that says, look, I as a
Speaker 1: member of law enforcement, here the things that I know
Speaker 1: to be true. I have this evidence. So Judge allowed
Speaker 1: me to walk into somebody's home. Allow me to do
Speaker 1: this because I've got a thing called probable cause that
Speaker 1: a crime has been committed and I'm likely to find
Speaker 1: evidence of a crime at the location I'm telling you about,
Speaker 1: and the judges will issue the search warrants because they
Speaker 1: believe that because the affidavid, they're being told the truth. Now,
Speaker 1: what happened here and why the federal government is now
Speaker 1: charging these officers with a crime is because they have
Speaker 1: said that they knowingly put false information on that warrant,
Speaker 1: that they knowingly failed to include certain things that would
Speaker 1: have led the judge to say, there's no reason or
Speaker 1: basis for you to have a warrant executed on this
Speaker 1: person's home. So the allegations are that they lied about things,
Speaker 1: misled aspects to get that warrant and enter the home.
Speaker 1: The d o J Is saying, hold on, you're mean
Speaker 1: to tell me you guys knew that there was no
Speaker 1: reason to be in this place. No, no, no, a
Speaker 1: crime has been committed. But the really important part is
Speaker 1: the cover up or took place afterwards. The fact that
Speaker 1: this information was false, as the allegations say, or misleading
Speaker 1: in any way was known to the officers involved in
Speaker 1: actually drafting that warrant request, and they met and tried
Speaker 1: to talk about Now the person has died, how are
Speaker 1: we gonna make it look like we didn't do the
Speaker 1: wrong thing. So now they have a conspiracy charge. It
Speaker 1: says they attempted to mislead the investigators and abstruct justice.
Speaker 1: The most disturbing part of these allegations, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: people who have sworn to an oath of office, people
Speaker 1: who have put on a uniform conspiring to cover up
Speaker 1: when a woman's body was left as if she was
Speaker 1: not the human being and the daughter, and the sister,
Speaker 1: and the girlfriend, and the child of God she is.
Speaker 1: All of this is part of why you'll hear a
Speaker 1: phrase called the color of law. That these officers are
Speaker 1: acting under the color of law, meaning they use their
Speaker 1: badge allegedly to be able to harm someone without consequence. Wow.
Speaker 1: So that makes the laws of her even that much
Speaker 1: more infuriating and nonsensical because they had no business there
Speaker 1: in the first place, and they knew it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: stay on top of this legal perspective, as we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring in Brianna's superstar legal team. We have Ben Crump,
Speaker 1: one of the most powerful civil rights attorneys in the country,
Speaker 1: and Lonita Baker, the new the elected president of the
Speaker 1: National Bar Association. Congratulations. Then I'm gonna let you take
Speaker 1: the table for a second. Well, first of all, I
Speaker 1: am humble, Jada to be with these brilliant black women
Speaker 1: at Turning Anita Baker, National Bar President, Attorney Laard Coach,
Speaker 1: the most brilliant personal CNN. And then to Mika Mallory,
Speaker 1: who I call co counselor and so gave me asked
Speaker 1: the question and it gets to the crux of the matter.
Speaker 1: Why won't they bring a new grand jury to hear
Speaker 1: the matter about Brianna being killed? And gave me your
Speaker 1: question is so profound because the status quo in America
Speaker 1: is to treat black women as if they don't matter,
Speaker 1: that they're irrelevant. Brianna Taylor has become symbolic for the
Speaker 1: struggle of justice for black women in America. That's why
Speaker 1: we have to continue to say Brianna's name and these
Speaker 1: other black women like Pamela Turner. That video is probably
Speaker 1: the worst one I've seen since George Floyd a Tianna Jefferson,
Speaker 1: another black woman in her home shot by the police
Speaker 1: through the window. And the latest one that to Mika
Speaker 1: Mallory and Landita and I are working on Brianna Grier
Speaker 1: and Georgia, a black woman having a mental health crisis
Speaker 1: who needed a heap in hand. But yet she's in
Speaker 1: the back seat, handcuffed, and she falls out of the
Speaker 1: car on the highway, handcuffed and cracker skull in two places,
Speaker 1: and is in a coma for six days before she dies,
Speaker 1: leaving her three year old twin daughters in the world.
Speaker 1: And that's why this Red Table show is so important,
Speaker 1: because so often we just sweet black women's death under
Speaker 1: the rug when they are killed by police. Wow, Lenita,
Speaker 1: when you first met Chenny, was it just as impossible
Speaker 1: for you to comprehend as it is for us sitting
Speaker 1: at this table. I knew he was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I always say about Kenny, his
Speaker 1: story has been steadfast, like he remembers every detail, and
Speaker 1: I can imagine like it's burned into his head, just
Speaker 1: the trauma there. And as the evidence starting to come out,
Speaker 1: you realize he's here because we needed him to tell
Speaker 1: the story. Laura was saying earlier that the way the
Speaker 1: system is structured is meant to be daunting, right, It's
Speaker 1: meant to seem like too much to handle, and that
Speaker 1: there's and you meant meant for you to feel powerless.
Speaker 1: Allow me to briefly respond to that, because I know
Speaker 1: you all have a big audience, and that's what they
Speaker 1: always want to say, that is so complicated. Continue to
Speaker 1: refute that it's only when it's a black person killed
Speaker 1: do they say it's such a complicated, daunting task. I
Speaker 1: believe in my heart, have Brianna Taylor been a young
Speaker 1: white woman, they would have had charges by the local
Speaker 1: prosecutor and it would not have taken two and a
Speaker 1: half years. It is not difficult until you say it's
Speaker 1: a black victim. And then they said, oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be so hard, and I keep saying, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not a hard case. If it was a
Speaker 1: white citizen, this would be an open and shut case. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I go back and forth between whether it's the system
Speaker 1: that's messed up or it's the people behind the system,
Speaker 1: and more and more I think it's the people system.
Speaker 1: If I could just say, we all know that in
Speaker 1: this country, money makes the world go round. The more
Speaker 1: value that we know a human life hold, the more
Speaker 1: it acts as a deterrent for officers to do the
Speaker 1: wrong thing. Exactly, we have to make sure that it
Speaker 1: is so expensive to kill a black person unjustly that
Speaker 1: it no longer is a good business model. And I
Speaker 1: think the more that cities start paying, they're gonna hold
Speaker 1: their officers accountab account. It just starts to be something
Speaker 1: that they can't they can't continue because they can't sustain
Speaker 1: paying out twelve million dollars twenty seven million dollars. These
Speaker 1: numbers are unprecedented. The city of Lobo had never paid
Speaker 1: out twelve million dollars for for anyone. Yeah, in this
Speaker 1: I never once thought about money, you know. I needed
Speaker 1: to know these people kept lying about what happened to
Speaker 1: Brianna and they didn't and so my thought was, somebody
Speaker 1: needs to pay for what happened to her. And Lonita
Speaker 1: was like, well, in most of these cases, you'll get
Speaker 1: money long before you get criminal charges. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want nothing to do with that. And she's like,
Speaker 1: I know now how that works. But for me, there
Speaker 1: was no dollar amount that you could say that was
Speaker 1: gonna make it okay. And I needed people to understand that.
Speaker 1: I want us to understand that we are making progress.
Speaker 1: It is a journey to justice. They're over a hundred
Speaker 1: cities now that have Brianna Taylor laws in effect, Brianna Taylor, No,
Speaker 1: not warrant bands. Yes, there were as many of our
Speaker 1: white brothers and sisters standing with us saying her name,
Speaker 1: and so we have to continue to believe in our
Speaker 1: hearts that the enemies of equality would not win this war. Well, Ben,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Jada, thank you and your family
Speaker 1: for having this important conversation because we're standing up and
Speaker 1: fighting for black people and in this case, for black women,
Speaker 1: and the only way we get victory, the only way
Speaker 1: we get justice is we stay together. You using your platform,
Speaker 1: Jada if Martin Luther King said, we all have a
Speaker 1: role to play in the struggle for justice and equality.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ben, Thank you for all that you do
Speaker 1: for us, and thank you for uplifting all the strong,
Speaker 1: intelligent black women around you. Thank you for that, sir,
Speaker 1: Yes man, you and Kenny Brother we with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for not giving up. Laura, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and Tamka appreciate you. Thank you. Is there
Speaker 1: anything you guys want to close out with for me?
Speaker 1: This is the hardest fight I've ever had in my
Speaker 1: entire life. I'm grateful for everybody who's ever said Brianna's name,
Speaker 1: who's ever told her story and who's ever wanted to
Speaker 1: know the truth. I just want to think, you know,
Speaker 1: the people who did take the time now to actually
Speaker 1: chase justice. And I want people out there to know that,
Speaker 1: I mean, I lost everything in this situation, not just
Speaker 1: only the person I loved more than anybody in this
Speaker 1: world are lost, you know everything. I'm still just heard
Speaker 1: trying to put my life back together to be, you know,
Speaker 1: a normal person. So that's it, and I love briefly Aline. Yeah. Yeah.
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