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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll ah for me. I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day Edith State?

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Speaker 3: Is that? Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 2: And no Dan and.

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Speaker 3: Tie Dan Rubinstein, welcome back to the Good Show, my

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Speaker 3: good friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me back to the Good Show.

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Speaker 2: My friend.

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Speaker 3: How you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, very excited to have our guest on.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was going to be a disclaimer that we hit

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Speaker 1: about seventy three times during the show that we're recording

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Speaker 1: this Thursday morning, January eighth. So if demand Williams becomes

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Speaker 1: a Alouette New York yet, hey, I don't know, then

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Speaker 1: we this is taped in advance and we are I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to focus a lot on like, hey,

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Speaker 1: how are like the vibes in the portal this year,

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Speaker 1: rather than like, give us an exact thought on this player,

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Speaker 1: you know, at Michigan State or wherever. So very excited

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Speaker 1: to have Max Olson on, Very excited.

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Speaker 2: To be back.

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Speaker 1: Has been kind of a bummer of a portal year

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Speaker 1: portal year all over the place. It's still a very

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Speaker 1: active quarterback market at the time of recording, So no,

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Speaker 1: it's all pretty fascinating right now. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: We are going to be talking with Max Olson of

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Speaker 3: ESPN dot com about all things transfer portal. As Dan said,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to focus a little bit more on vibes,

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Speaker 3: on the overall structure, how it's different this year than

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Speaker 3: the last, and of course we will talk about some

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Speaker 3: of the players as well. One more disclaimer recording this

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Speaker 3: early on Thursday morning. We don't want to put it

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Speaker 3: out before the playoff because then everybody cares about the

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Speaker 3: playoff and people don't listen as much to this, and

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Speaker 3: we're really into it, so this is dropping from most

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Speaker 3: folks on Sunday. Of course, if you are out on

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Speaker 3: our Patreon, might get a little bit early and without

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Speaker 3: the ads. One more time going out to Verboalers dot

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Speaker 3: com if you're interested in support the team and getting

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Speaker 3: some of those perks. As we have mentioned here, this

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Speaker 3: is not an episode in which we are going to

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Speaker 3: talk about the college football playoff. Go back. You can

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Speaker 3: listen to some of the episodes that we did to

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Speaker 3: run back through what transpired in both of those semi

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Speaker 3: final matchups, But today's focus is very much the Transfer

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Speaker 3: Portal with our good friend Max Olsen. Dan, let's just

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Speaker 3: dive right the FN.

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Speaker 1: Let's go all right, Dan, let's do it. Let's bring

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Speaker 1: him back.

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Speaker 3: We did this episode a year ago, We're going to

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Speaker 3: do it again now. It is our good friend Max

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Speaker 3: Olsen from ESPN where he covers national college football as

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Speaker 3: well as the Transfer Portal. Max, welcome back. How is

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Speaker 3: your sleep right now? On a scale of one to ten.

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Speaker 4: Pretty good last night, though, pretty good last Like I

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Speaker 1: Did you see the Tash Lupoy quote by the way

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Speaker 1: I did he where I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 1: this tie. It felt very accurate where somebody asked him

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Speaker 1: the timing couldn't be better. They nailed this.

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Speaker 3: This, you know, the college football calendar has definitely been

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Speaker 3: people who talk about college football teams, players, coaches, you

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Speaker 4: Of all, I think you have to talk about it

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Speaker 4: I know everyone focus on the money right now, but

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Speaker 4: Again some of these folks look at this as like, well,

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Speaker 1: Who has done it particularly? I mean we're still you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's very impressive. What will Stein's

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Speaker 4: But they've done a really good job of picking up

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Speaker 4: You know, I think tosh Leypoy like you are seeing

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Speaker 2: You know, I think we're in a time right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's and I've kind of gone back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've gone back and forth with some other Penn

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Speaker 1: You will take what.

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Speaker 4: would all, you know, be making moves. A lot of

438
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Speaker 4: those guys would be you know, strongly considering making moves

439
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 4: and potentially going with him to LSU. And I think

440
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,199
Speaker 4: the fact that this season has extended for ole Miss

441
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 4: has really made it, I think easier for this to

442
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 4: have this positive momentum and for everybody rallying around Pete Golden,

443
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 4: for you know, Walker Jones, and for the leadership at

444
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 4: ole Miss to be able to go to these guys

445
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 4: and say like, hey, let's run it back, like we'll

446
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 4: pay you what we got to pay you, but let's resign.

447
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 4: And a lot of big name players have resigned to

448
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 4: stay at ole Miss. And so I obviously that's a

449
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 4: factor that you have to include in terms of what

450
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 4: else he's putting together. I like what they've done at

451
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 4: wide receiver. I think they've done a nice job reloading

452
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,880
Speaker 4: there with getting jas Brown in from k State, who

453
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 4: I think has a chance to be really productive there. Also,

454
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, I tie Ben Afield, the safety from Boise State,

455
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 4: I viewed as really one of the best safeties in

456
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 4: the portal, a guy that had a bunch of visits

457
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 4: lined up, but else he was able to get him

458
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 4: locked in. You know, I think interesting to see where

459
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 4: quarterback ends up. And obviously they've they've had some big

460
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 4: name players move on. They've had a lot offensive linemen

461
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,479
Speaker 4: move on, They've had Kaden Durham move on, So they

462
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 4: got a lot of a lot of players to replace here.

463
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 4: I'm sure part of that is you wanting to get

464
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 4: gas role miss and part of it is wanting to

465
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 4: be competitive for the best players in the portal. So yeah,

466
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 4: it's going to be a pretty interesting roster construction I

467
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 4: think for LSU and year one you.

468
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Speaker 1: Talked about Brendan Soresby's market, who also I think was

469
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: maybe in conversations or representatives and conversations with LSU. Sam

470
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: Levitt has been all around taking a few visits. What

471
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 1: does the quarterback market now mean for quarterbacks who are

472
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: not leaving their schools for you know, the portal, who

473
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: are better than all of these guys making four or five,

474
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: six million dollars whatever, like is the number? Like you

475
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: obviously are not in these conversations, you know, these negotiations,

476
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: But like Dante More and Fernando mendoz I have eligibility left,

477
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: they have not declared Julian saying has eligibility left? Are

478
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: they going to ask for seven eight million dollars?

479
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: Like?

480
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: What what is the like it sounds like a comical number,

481
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: but like, if we're hitting the market, the market is

482
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Speaker 1: the market, Like what are the numbers for guys who

483
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: are better and playing for rich programs who have money and.

484
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 4: Would love to keep them happy? It's a great question.

485
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: And like I'll give you an example. If you're Malachi Tony,

486
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: how much money are you asking for this offseason? Yeah,

487
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 4: you're asking for the moon? Right, Yeah, of course you're

488
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 4: better than all these.

489
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: Guys, Marcel read, you're better than Brandon Sorosby like he is.

490
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: So if you're you have if you have no intention

491
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: of transferring, your agent is still going to them and

492
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Speaker 4: saying we want four million dollars, right if you're If

493
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 4: you're right, And some schools might say like tough, Yeah,

494
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 4: you know, if man, if you got that offer, you

495
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 4: got to hit the portal. You can't turn that down.

496
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Speaker 4: Some of those you mentioned are in tough spots right now. Again,

497
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Speaker 4: it's Thursday, so things have probably changed since this is published.

498
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: But you know that is part of this is like

499
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Speaker 4: and that's the thing that is a frustration, I'm sure

500
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Speaker 4: for fans and certainly for coaches, is you don't have

501
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Speaker 4: to enter the transfer portal to get offers, you know,

502
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: at the ternet transporportal, to get a raise like you could.

503
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: You know, there's just always the ominous threat of it,

504
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: and so and and then if you know, we saw

505
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 4: this last year with with the Nico deal to some

506
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 4: extent of like when you see, oh man, Bryce Underwood

507
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 4: got this, John Mattier got this, all these other guys

508
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 4: made these moves. At some point, then someone in your

509
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 4: camp is gonna be like, wait a minute, like, shouldn't

510
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: we be making three four million bucks? Then, like, what's

511
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: what's going on here? So, yeah, that's that's even that

512
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 4: the guy for the guys who have zero intention of

513
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: playing anywhere else next year, Yeah, the reps are gonna

514
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 4: say like, come on now, we gotta just like just

515
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 4: like with coaches, right like you're gonna go and say, hey,

516
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: we should be getting paid like these other guys.

517
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: All right, Max, what happened with Demand Williams and what

518
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: is the reaction behind the scenes with respect to the

519
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: power brokers, the agents, other players to the Demand Williams News.

520
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Speaker 4: Now see I think this segment might age poorly. Yes, okay,

521
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: well let's tread lightly on this.

522
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Speaker 1: What do we go so far? That's informing what right?

523
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: Ye seen?

524
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, you know you've seen since the

525
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: portal's open on January second, there's been names that have

526
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: popped up in the portal that you say, like, oh wow,

527
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 4: that's I didn't maybe totally see that come in that

528
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 4: wasn't announced yet or whatever. Demon Williams was like a

529
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: whoe to me, Like that was like a that there

530
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 4: was not rumors, there was not speculation, And yeah, I

531
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 4: did a piece a week or two ago, like on

532
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: the twenty six Quarterbacks to watch ahead of the portal opening.

533
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: Demant Williams like never crossed my mind as a guy

534
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 4: that you know would be on the move, partially because

535
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: he signed a new deal with Washington and that deal

536
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 4: was for over four million dollars, like top of the

537
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 4: market in the Big ten for sure. Yeah, it's it's

538
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 4: it's a good offer. He did not get low balled

539
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: by Washington. We saw this a year ago with Xavier Lucas,

540
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: the defensive back at Wisconsin who re signed with Wisconsin.

541
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: And then I believe he like went on winter break,

542
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 4: went home for the holidays, came back and was like, actually,

543
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to go to Miami and they were like, no,

544
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: you're not. And they refuse to put his name in

545
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: the transfer portal. And you know, his his uh, his lawyer,

546
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 4: Darren Heightner, was able to maneuver it where it's like, okay, well,

547
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 4: we're just going to treat this like a student and

548
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 4: we're going to withdraw from the university and we're going

549
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: to go enroll at the University of Miami. And and

550
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: that's the way you can because you can operate outside

551
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: of the portal. And that's you know, this is an issue.

552
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 4: It was an issue last year, and now it's a

553
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: it's a way more high profile player where the Big

554
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: ten and the NCBLA and everybody, you know, the powers

555
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 4: are like, whoa, we have we have to like actually

556
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: stand up to this one, like we actually have to

557
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: back the school on this and say and treat these

558
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: things as enforceable and and you know, players can't just

559
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: rip those up. And so you know, the terms of

560
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 4: the deal that he signed is that he can't enter

561
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: the portal and that they retain his n NIL rights

562
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: and all that and so it's it's going to be messy,

563
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 4: and I think it's hopefully demnt Williams knew this when

564
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 4: he posted this on Instagram, but like, yeah, that that

565
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: one is is is messy.

566
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Speaker 3: What what are like other players thinking seeing this? Do

567
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 3: you think that this prompts any other guys who maybe

568
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: re up with their current school to think outside the

569
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: box a little bit and wonder if the market is

570
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: still out there for them even though maybe they're supposedly

571
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: signed on with their current school for another year.

572
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: This is the thing that I'm a little bit fearful

573
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: of is a few months from now, because the reality

574
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 4: is coaches wanted to eliminate the spring transfer portal, but

575
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, they also really enjoyed

576
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 4: the benefit of going through spring practice and saying, Okay,

577
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: we need a few more.

578
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: Pieces right that we are not getting to this in April.

579
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 4: Where and if you had a guest today, I think

580
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: it'll probably happen in somewhere of someone saying, Okay, well

581
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 4: I want to transfer in April. I just do I

582
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 4: have to transfer? Here's my reasons, probably getting offered more

583
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 4: money from somebody else. So let's follow aawsuit and let's say, like,

584
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, they shouldn't have taken away the spring portal

585
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: from us, and let's get you know, like, I think

586
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: that's the thing that you kind of worry about down

587
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: the road here is like, yeah, we're moving to one

588
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: portal and it's fourteen dayss Like, okay, sure that's the plan.

589
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: But you know, obviously the track record here on you know,

590
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: these court cases is not going great in terms of

591
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 4: stabilizing things, and so you wonder about that a little bit.

592
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: And you know part of that is going to be

593
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 4: because things are set up this way, there's going to

594
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: be guys who are brought into a program and go

595
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 4: through spring practice and it's like, well, wait, I'm you

596
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: told me I was going to come in and be

597
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: the starter, and then now I'm not the starter, So

598
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: why would I stay here this year?

599
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: Right?

600
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: Like, I think you're just going to have those situations,

601
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 4: And it's the way it's set up right now is

602
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: very beneficial to the coaches, and it will be in

603
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: the off season and through spring practice, and so then

604
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: I think inevitably you're just going to have those issues.

605
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: And the spring portal has been eliminated, but some people

606
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: are going to want to make moves and maybe make

607
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: moves outside of.

608
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: The portal max something that our friend Pete Sampson tweeted out,

609
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: and again we are recording this full disclaim or on

610
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: Thursday morning, but as of Wednesday evening, he noted that

611
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Georgia, and Oregon all had one transfer a piece,

612
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: Notre Dame BYU and Miami all had a big old

613
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: goose egg none. Does it surprise you at all to

614
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: see what those programs? Just using those as an example,

615
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: maybe they're not the only ones, but does it surprise

616
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: you to see relative inactivity from any of those schools?

617
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: And how would you grade what they are doing?

618
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: Now?

619
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: Public in activity to be public inactivity?

620
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: Correct?

621
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: Important disclaimer? How would you grade what we have seen

622
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: publicly from them? How would you add in maybe any

623
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: context from what you've heard privately about what those schools

624
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: are working towards?

625
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: You know, part of that is, you know you are

626
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: hosting guys on visits and the going elsewhere.

627
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: I mean that that plays into this, right.

628
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody's trying to get these players on campus

629
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: as fast as humanly possible.

630
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: You know.

631
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Speaker 4: The thing that's interesting is we go through this cycle

632
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: is I think a year or two ago you would

633
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 4: still talk to gms at certain schools and they say, like, man,

634
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 4: we're not trying to live in the portal. We're only

635
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: going to try and take five to ten players, right.

636
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: And I think one thing that's just really changed throughout

637
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: the sport now is that, especially last year, we have

638
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 4: normalized that you're going to take twenty to twenty five

639
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: to thirty two in the case of Oklahoma State, you know,

640
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 4: and you know some of these schools fifty or sixty transfers, right,

641
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: And so I think part of that is you can

642
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: philosophically say like, well, you know, we don't need that much.

643
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: We don't want to live in the portal. We love

644
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: our high school recruits. Next man up, we're developmental program.

645
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: I think that's where you're going to You're gonna have

646
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: a little bit of that tension because fans want to

647
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: see fireworks, and some of these programs it's like, well,

648
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: you know, we got like maybe two positional needs, and

649
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: I guess we'll replace guys if we lose guys, but

650
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: maybe we're not going to lose a lot of guys.

651
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: Part of this is based on draft decisions, right, and

652
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 4: so you have to get past the draft deadline to

653
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: kind of know what you still need to some degree.

654
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: So I get that that is, uh, you know, there's

655
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: gonna be some programs that are like proud of that,

656
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 4: and they're like, we're not We're not gonna do the

657
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: portal that much. But again, no spring portal means you

658
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: have to do it all now and you have to

659
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: get your rosters right for twenty six. And so if

660
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: you're inactive right now or if you're having a lot

661
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: of attrition, yeah, I think you have to you have

662
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: to be pretty responsive right now and go get the

663
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: guys like I don't know how much you guys do,

664
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: like you know, like fantasy football draft stuff like that,

665
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: but like I've done auction drafts.

666
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm not very good at auction drafts.

667
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: I do think there's a little bit of a thing

668
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: of like if your strategy is to sort of like

669
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: sit out and wait for good value and stuff, you're

670
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: you're gonna like get a pretty bad team, you know

671
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like you right before and you're like,

672
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 4: I'm oh man, I have so much money left. It's

673
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: like you don't have any players though, So that's gonna

674
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: be a problem. When it's time to go get the players,

675
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 4: you think that you're gonna go get And so I

676
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 4: wonder about that a little bit. Especially there's some of

677
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 4: these programs that, again, this is where where we're seeing

678
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: things love a lot a little bit across the country

679
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 4: in terms of the spread of where players are going,

680
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: the distribution of talent. There's some of these programs like

681
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: Texas for Sure and Georgia and a few of them

682
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: were at Alabama where it's like, this is what we're

683
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: willing to pay you if you're asking for more than

684
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: that than peace and good players are leaving those programs

685
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: and you say, well, wait, they have all these resources,

686
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: all this money, and they can afford everybody and they

687
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 4: can get anybody they want. It's like, yeah, but everybody

688
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: is having to make these decisions within a budget and

689
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: within a cap, even if you don't believe in the

690
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: cap of what you're willing to pay for someone versus

691
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 4: going to get somebody else. And so you know, if

692
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: you're like the program that is like kind of having

693
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: a lot of attrition because you're not willing to pay

694
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: your backups or pay your returning guys. It's going to

695
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 4: be expensive to go get replacements, and you have to

696
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: go get them right now. You can't really sit back

697
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 4: and kind of see how things play out.

698
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: It's also and I don't know if this is more

699
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: of a comment than a question, but like tie list

700
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: it off. I guess it was Pete's teams that he listed,

701
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: but he listed off teams that have been super successful,

702
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: so Ohio State, Miami, Oregon, BYU, Notre Dame schools like that.

703
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: And so when you are as successful as those teams are,

704
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: either playoff or playoff ish, you probably have a lot

705
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: of good players, and you probably have a lot of

706
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: players who improve this year, and you probably have a

707
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of players who have agents that said yesterday's price

708
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: is not today's price. And so the retention involved in

709
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of those programs if they're not losing a bunch,

710
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, to the NFL or graduation like Indiana, and

711
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: you know Indiana's obviously and Texas Tech obviously has made

712
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: a decision that they're going to be very portal heavy,

713
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: and so there's just going to be a lot of turnover.

714
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: I imagine that has to play a role that these

715
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: schools and you've sort of talked about this already, they're

716
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: spending on retention. They don't necessarily want to bring in

717
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: players via the portal who are going to piss off

718
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: active contributing players that they're being recruited over via the portal.

719
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: And they can, I think, in some of these instances,

720
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: and this was highlighted by Ohio State last year, can

721
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: afford to be choosy, Like sure, if Caleb Odam enters

722
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: or Caleb downs enders, excuse me, yeah, we'll make a move.

723
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: But otherwise, like we're pretty happy with where we are.

724
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Does that sound reasonable?

725
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

726
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: I And and to your point, retention is very expensive,

727
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 4: and it's more expensive this offseason last year. And I think,

728
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: you know, even last year, I would talk to gms

729
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: who were like, we would offer a guy one hundred

730
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: thousand dollars and they'd be like offended, right, Like you know,

731
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: the just the bar of like you're returning, we like you,

732
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: just the the you know, baseline price of that keeps

733
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 4: going up, right, And so I think that is that

734
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 4: is that is a challenge everyone's dealing with. I remember

735
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 4: last year, Florida keeps billing Apier and the spin at

736
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: the time is like, well, we're not going to pay

737
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: the buyout, we're going to invest in you know, we're

738
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: invest in the roster. Right Florida went out and got

739
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: five or six trainsfers out of the portal, and that's

740
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: because the freshman class was really expensive, and because Caleb

741
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: Banks is really expensive, and because you know, taking care

742
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 4: of the guys that are on your roster costs you

743
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: a lot of money. And then you're sort of like, wait,

744
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: what do we have left? We can't get that much

745
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: and so you know, that's part of that. I think

746
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: that's going to be one of the challenges now. As

747
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 4: much as it's great to be at a spot where

748
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 4: you know you're recruiting blue chip, top ten recruiting classes

749
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: every single year, those guys are expensive to come in

750
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: the door, and then you have to keep paying them

751
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: more every year, whether.

752
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: They're contributing or not.

753
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: And some of these places you're sort of like, wait,

754
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 4: if you step back and think about it, how much

755
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 4: am I paying this kid? How much have I invested

756
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: in this kid before he has started a game for us? Like,

757
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: that's a tough proposition, and it's part of it is

758
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: why you're willing to let backups walk, you know, let

759
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 4: them move on and go get paid more by somebody

760
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: else and go get you know, a G five player

761
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 4: who maybe cost less or maybe go just go find

762
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: a replacement in the portal, because there are endless replacements

763
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: in the portal.

764
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: What has the market been like for Sam Levitt and

765
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: Dylan Royola? These guys are big names with big public

766
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: injuries that they suffered this season, and you know they

767
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: have I think both of these kids, but kids. Both

768
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: of these guys played I think two three four high

769
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: schools each, Right, what what is the market like they

770
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: keep making visits or they keep not committing, Like, what

771
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: what is the view in the market for these two

772
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: like very high profile guys.

773
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: I'm really glad that you asked that question, Dan, because

774
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: since since this is, as we've joked, is maybe not

775
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 4: going to age, well, I want to just put this.

776
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: I want to I want to ask this poses to

777
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 4: you now, Okay, you've got to make the decision now.

778
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're almost like putting this in the vault here.

779
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a this is a no crying from

780
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: the yacht situation.

781
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: Right, But if your Oregon, Dan.

782
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: Uh huh, would you take Sam Levitt or Dylan Royola?

783
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: I I would be interested in Sam Levitt. He's local,

784
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: He's led a team to a playoff, and most importantly

785
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: in terms of his connection to Oregon, he played for

786
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: Kenny Dillingham, and there are still Kenny Dillingham fingerprints on

787
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: the Oregon offense, which is why I think his name

788
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: has come up with Oregon. I think his injury was

789
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: pretty serious. I don't even know if he's gonna be

790
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: playing springball.

791
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

792
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I would love Oregon quarterback Dylan Royola.

793
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: I just have not been a fan of Why. I know,

794
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: you're much more local to his situation or former situation.

795
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: And I felt that way about bo Nicks, and so,

796
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, raise my hand. I've been wrong before about

797
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: guys that I didn't think we're gonna pan out for Oregon.

798
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: But sam Levitt feels like more of a fit though.

799
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: You know, you hear reports about like their personalities and

800
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: the sort of cloud around them, and you're just like, yeah,

801
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. So I don't know. That's

802
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: why I was asking you, because I know both of them,

803
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, Like it seemed the reports that Roola's camp

804
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: is interested in Oregon not clear if the feeling was mutual.

805
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: And then Sam Levitt obviously being from the state and

806
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: having the connection via Kenny Dillingham is interesting to me.

807
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

808
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: He's taking a bunch of visits and not committing.

809
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: That's right.

810
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: It's been it's been interesting to see. It's been very

811
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: quiet on the Dylan Rayl upfront. I think certainly his

812
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: dream scenarios is getting to be the next quarterback in Oregon,

813
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: and obviously the track record they've had there under Dan Lanning.

814
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: Speaks for itself.

815
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 4: It's you know, it's obvious why he would want to be

816
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 4: the quarterback at Oregon. And I think for Sam Levitt.

817
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: You know, the reason I asked you the question is

818
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 4: because you talk talking to personal people, talking to agents,

819
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: a lot of people say like, I think Dylan Rayl

820
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: is going there, and some people say like, I think

821
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 4: sant Love will end up there. And so it feels

822
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 4: like it's a little I don't think it's fifty to fifty,

823
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: but it feels very unclear at the moment, and as

824
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: of taking this right now, the big mystery is still Miami.

825
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: I just we don't know what right he's totally.

826
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 4: There was a lot of rumors about Leonora Sellers being

827
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: the guy from Miami. There was rumors about CJ. Bailey

828
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 4: being the guy for Miami. Maybe they'll circle back on CJ.

829
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: Bailey or one of these guys. Maybe Miami has a

830
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: guy lined up who's not even in the portal and

831
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 4: we're all gonna be blown away. Maybe Miami goes after

832
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 4: Tys Simpson who already declared for the draft, Like we

833
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: just don't know what the move is there. Again, part

834
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 4: of it is like their season's not over and they're

835
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: working through this. I think that factors in a little bit.

836
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: If you told me Sam Levit's gonna be the guy

837
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: at Miami, I'd be like, Okay, I could totally say

838
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: that like that that would make sense for them. I

839
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 4: think for for Riola, you're not seeing him take a

840
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: bunch of other visits, so I don't know if he

841
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 4: feels like very confident that he is going to be

842
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: the guy at organ or maybe the words just not

843
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: getting out about where he's going. But you know, I

844
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: think that it was an interesting year for hear for him.

845
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: You talk to some people there who feel like, you know,

846
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: we think he can still be a first round guy,

847
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: like the natural talent is all there. You know, the

848
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: way he can handle stuff pre snap is like pretty

849
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: high level for a college kid. For a college sophomore,

850
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 4: you know, you've got two years of starting experience. Yes,

851
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: the you know, the injury set him back there, but

852
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: I think like a very motivated don't rollo, who's like

853
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: in great shape and who's healthy, and he's like really

854
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: confident and he's got a great supporting cast. I think

855
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 4: he'd be really productive. Yeah, I remember, Yeah, bo Nix

856
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: was a questionable take at the time, and Dante Moore

857
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: did not have a good year at UCLA. He did

858
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: this freshman year and got benched, and so you know,

859
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: they're not afraid to like take the guy where like

860
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 4: we see the talent regardless of you know, the the

861
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: resume so far.

862
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: Love it would be a lot of fun to watch

863
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: and or guys.

864
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: I covered that Texas Arizona state game the Peach Bowl

865
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: last year, and as much as this scataboo was insane,

866
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 4: right watching Levitt run away from Texas players, I was like,

867
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: this guy's different, Like, this guy is pretty special and

868
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: he was only a red shirt freshman and he get

869
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: you know, he wins a Big Twelve title as a

870
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: red shirt freshman. Two guys like I would, I'd be

871
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 4: very comfortable betting on and yes it's very expensive bet

872
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, those two and then you left one

873
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: out there that and we'll see what the movie is.

874
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: This guy is taking a ton of visits. Is is

875
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: DJ Lagway? A year ago?

876
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: We would We were like, you know, in August, We're like,

877
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 4: he could be a top ten quarterback in the country.

878
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Okay, And maybe I am

879
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 3: showing my age a little bit and asking this question.

880
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: But we talk about it all the time with coaches

881
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: who jump around a lot. One year here, one year there.

882
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: My favorite joke is Ted Rufe, who's been one year

883
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: everywhere before moving on. But we were starting to see

884
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: this now hired again he did, I just thought, oh yeah.

885
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to say Boston College.

886
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so right off BC for next year on defense.

887
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: But we're now starting to have this same conversation about

888
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: players who jump around one year here, portal, one year there, portal.

889
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: Right.

890
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: TJ.

891
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: Finley, I think is still in the portal. He's going

892
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: to be in the portal in perpetuity. But is there

893
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: any trepidation from any of the GMS any of the

894
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: agencies that you speak with about the players that are

895
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: one and done seemingly every year. Are they viewing that

896
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: as any kind of judge of character for those guys

897
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: that they're just kind of jumping from place to place

898
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: to get more money, or is it just sort of

899
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: written off as a sign of the times and this

900
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: is where we're at in college football.

901
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, things are flying like so fast every day in

902
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 4: terms of commitments, in terms of new entries and stuff that.

903
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: Like sometimes you just see these things on Twitter and

904
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: you're just like, I miss that. Okay, Wow, So Malachi

905
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: Nelson from UTAP is back in the transfer portal. You

906
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: know that's that's another one. Jane Rashot is back in

907
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 4: the transfer portal, and we've all, you know, we all

908
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: remember the Jane shot of Saga at his various schools.

909
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: It happens a lot at the quarterback position, for sure.

910
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: But that's something that has been striking to me when

911
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: you look at the names that are popping up in

912
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 4: the portal every day, is like, I'm seeing names of

913
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: guys that are absolutely going to their fourth school in

914
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 4: four or five years. And I think that is something

915
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 4: that has changed considerably past couple. You know, a few

916
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: years ago, you guys remember like they were trying to

917
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 4: uphold a one time transfer rule where you can you

918
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 4: can make them move one time, and you can make

919
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 4: that move whenever you want, but then you have to

920
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: be a grad transfer to transfer again. And you watch

921
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 4: the entries just pop up every day and populate in

922
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 4: the portal. Right now, I'm not seeing a lot of

923
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: grad transfers like that. I think that the percentage of

924
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: players entering the portal who are grad transfers who had

925
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: their degree so far, it looks like it's down to me,

926
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: I think. I think the first couple of days it

927
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: was like sixteen percent, and that was a big cut

928
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: from a year ago. That's concerning. Like I think if

929
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 4: you're administrator or a coach, like you don't love seeing

930
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: that trend. And yeah, like I said, I'm seeing guys

931
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: pop up in the portal for a third or a

932
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: fourth time. And is that because it's not all about money.

933
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 4: Part of that is just like you keep going places

934
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: and you can't get on the field, or you're not

935
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: or you are getting on the field and you are

936
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: not getting what you think you deserve. And so I

937
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 4: think that that's like an overarching thing. That is, it's

938
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 4: just I don't want to do the whole like it's

939
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: a generational thing or whatever like that. The rules create

940
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: the opportunity, right, and so the rules are they couldn't

941
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: enforce a one time transfer rule, so now there's unlimited transfers.

942
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 4: And so a guy who you know might show up

943
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: at a place here. You could have freshmen who are

944
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: who are you know out of school for a week,

945
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 4: like Julian sayin was I like go back in the portal,

946
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: like okay, whoops? You know, pick a new school. That

947
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: can happen as soon as you get to college, and

948
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: especially the quarterback position. In the past, you would say

949
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: after two years, they're either playing or they're leaving. Now

950
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: it's we're seeing a ton of freshmen in this cycle

951
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 4: leave after one year as a backup, one year, one

952
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 4: year of red shirting. Again, it's not just money making

953
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 4: them do that. It's just everybody wants to play. They

954
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: want to get theirs, and if they don't see the

955
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 4: paths playing time, there's really nothing stopping anyone from entering

956
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: the portal.

957
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: I have sort of another follow on question to that,

958
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: and obviously the tone of these types of questions. It

959
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: stems from both Dan and I being almost exasperated at

960
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 3: how the portal has exploded, how college football has changed

961
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: in such a very short period of time. For those

962
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: of us who have watched this sport our entire lives

963
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: is obviously very new. We cover it, we have to,

964
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: but it's it's different, right, we have to digest it ourselves.

965
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: How many of the guys that you talked to on

966
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: the personnel side of this are just maniacally happy, maniacally

967
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: looking at the portal sort of you know, writing out checks,

968
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: putting them in Manila envelopes, meeting in dark alleys, those

969
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: types of things. How many guys on a percentage basis

970
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: are just looking at this and salivating at the pure

971
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: opportunity that this transfer portal presents their program.

972
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 4: Gosh, the only one that comes to mind is James

973
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: Blatter at Texas.

974
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: That's the only one that comes to mind that is like, Okay,

975
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: here we go to Sleeves.

976
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: He's ready to go.

977
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: Time to and everybody, you know, you just everybody else

978
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: is just getting getting killed out here.

979
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: Everyone else is just like they're they're exhausted.

980
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 4: And you know, I was talking to one last night

981
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 4: who was at a you know who had just made

982
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: a move to a new school, and they said, you know,

983
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: we've dealt with volume before, We've dealt with having to

984
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: take a.

985
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Lot, lot of transfers at one time.

986
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 4: Never dealt with the combination of volume and the money

987
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: before and a lot of money, And so that is

988
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: the thing that is. You know, man, there's a ton

989
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: of great players out here. We can go upgrade our

990
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 4: roster that no one's like, no one's sitting here being like, man,

991
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if the portal is as good as

992
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 4: I thought it would be. Like, no, there's a ton

993
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: of good players out there, right. It is the pace

994
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 4: of this, it is the cost of this. It is

995
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 4: the execution of offer to visit, to signing to sign,

996
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: you know, sign contract, getting the actual deal done. It's

997
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 4: it's a it's it's uh, it's pretty challenging right now.

998
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: It's exciting, it's exciting to follow, but behind the scenes

999
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: in terms of like pulling it off, it's tough. And

1000
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: I want to say, like, I I'm glad you mentioned

1001
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 4: it because I think when you're in the in the

1002
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: daily coverage of it and you're just trying to keep

1003
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: up with what's next all this stuff.

1004
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: It reminds me a little bit of when I was

1005
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: covering conference re.

1006
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 4: Alignment, where you you, you'd be so caught up in

1007
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 4: the next update and the next thing that was happening,

1008
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: and and it's tough to step back and be like, yeah,

1009
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 4: but this is bad though, right, you know what I mean?

1010
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: Like when you're in it and.

1011
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: You're covering it, you know, and you know, I'm not

1012
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: a column writer, right, like you're you're sticking to the

1013
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: news and the facts. It's tough when you're in in

1014
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: the ship like this to be like hold on, like, man,

1015
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: this is I don't I don't know if all this

1016
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 4: these are good developments, some of these things that are happening.

1017
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 4: So I appreciate you mentioning that because I as much

1018
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 4: as that's like my my role and my passion and

1019
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 4: I like covering this stuff, there are definitely things going on,

1020
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: and you talk to people who are very exasperated by

1021
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: all of this and who are asking like, what is

1022
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 4: this going to be next? Well, it's that's part of

1023
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: the like you just don't know how is this even

1024
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: going to work next year? Like it's it's the rules

1025
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: change every year. The setup change every year, and the

1026
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: more the rules change, it almost feels like the worse

1027
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 4: it gets. It's not or maybe rules don't change, but

1028
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 4: the the trajectory of this is getting worse, not getting

1029
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: like better and more.

1030
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park thing, like

1031
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: you just because you can, does that mean that you should?

1032
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: And scientists yeah, yeah.

1033
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: Right, So it's it's certinly have this conversation and even

1034
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: if we're not talking about it on the show, we're

1035
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: talking about it amongst ourselves, just wondering what does this

1036
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: all mean? You know, not necessarily saying that the players

1037
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: shouldn't have the right to earn from their likeness or

1038
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: to go to a new school or anything. I think

1039
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: fundamentally we probably all agree on those points, but on

1040
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: some level they got to brain this thing in. I

1041
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't seem sustainable long term, and.

1042
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: There's just again from like I can totally appreciate from

1043
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 4: the fans standpoint of this. While it's exciting to follow

1044
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 4: who your your team might be picking up this week

1045
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: and next week, I totally also understand the standpoint of

1046
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 4: like Coy Parritch is leaving like this freaking sucks, Like

1047
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 4: this is this is I want to I bought my

1048
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: kid the jersey, Like what what is you know, Like

1049
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: how can we not keep a guy at a school

1050
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: for three or four years?

1051
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: Right? Like there's you can go down.

1052
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: I mean obviously the group of five level, there's just

1053
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: no stability year to year. If anybody who gets good

1054
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 4: is gone, right And I think that is a thing

1055
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: that is just very frustrating. If you're an Iowa State

1056
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: fan right now, if you're in North tex fan right now,

1057
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: you're like, man, this is it is. This is the

1058
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: reality of the sport. It's not surprising that it's happening.

1059
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: It's you know, it's completely logical. Doesn't mean I had

1060
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 4: to sit here and be like this is good right now.

1061
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: It's one of the interesting things is the portal and

1062
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: recruiting and I guess to a certain extent coaching higher season,

1063
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: it's an interesting like tea leaf thermometer of a program's health,

1064
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: right that, like this program is losing a lot of

1065
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: like key dudes. I don't know if this is like

1066
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 1: a long term healthy situation for so and so coach

1067
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: so and so program or they seem to be attracting

1068
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: a lot of like quality guys. This team might win

1069
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: for the next two or three years. When you look

1070
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: at what's happened early on in this portal cycle. Again

1071
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: recording Thursday morning, we got another what nine seven days?

1072
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Something? I don't know. Should I check my phone? Should

1073
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: I see?

1074
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: Check your phone? We got eight days left. It's through

1075
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: the sixteenth I believe. As we're recording this.

1076
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: Okay, Malik blocked into L s U. Good one for

1077
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: L s U. Really brown to Texas nice running back

1078
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: their back. I like this live right, Okay, I probably

1079
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 4: I probably missed a lot. Probably there's probably a lot more.

1080
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: Okay, who what what do you remember those scientists that

1081
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: would look at like the waste product and septic tanks

1082
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: to see like how diseases have spread and dorm rooms

1083
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So if you're that scientist putting

1084
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: the Petri dish of the transfer portal season under the

1085
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: micro microscope, like where are things looking up for, you know, programs,

1086
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: and who are you kind of like, Oh, I'm kind

1087
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: of worried that, like things aren't going super well based

1088
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: on the ins and outs of players in this season.

1089
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: That's one element of this that's always been curious to

1090
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: me is like in the past, there was a limit

1091
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: to how many guys you could sign in a you know,

1092
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: a whole year, and there's obviously a roster limit. There

1093
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 4: is no limit to how many players you could lose.

1094
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: There's no like, Okay, we've crossed this threshold and so

1095
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: nobody else is gonna leave. And so you see some

1096
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 4: of these things play out where like, for example, like

1097
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: not to single them out, like, well, okay, Texas has

1098
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: had a bunch of good players leave the program, right

1099
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: and and Parker Livingston's going to Oklahoma, which you would

1100
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 4: say during the season, you'd be like, that's insane, right, No,

1101
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 4: they would never let that happen, or you you have

1102
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 4: you know, Trey Wisner's going to Florida State, and Trey

1103
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: Wisner freaking won them the A and M game, right, Like,

1104
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: there's good players walking out, and part of it is

1105
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: just the economics of it and stuff it does. And

1106
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 4: at a certain point, from from a fan side, I

1107
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: need to see someone else coming in and replace them.

1108
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: I need to see stars coming in. Otherwise I'm like,

1109
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: what are we doing? And so you see, like Colorado's

1110
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 4: freshman class, like a lot of really like good players

1111
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 4: leaving and having great opportunities to go somewhere else. It

1112
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean like okay in the in the past,

1113
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 4: I would say it's a little bit more damning of like,

1114
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 4: oh man, they got some cultural problems, like what's going

1115
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: on here. It's not quite that anymore because there's just

1116
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: it's part of it is just the money, and it's

1117
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 4: just the like you didn't play this year, Like we're

1118
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 4: not gonna pay you that much money, right, if you

1119
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: gotta go, you gotta go. But like we'll get somebody else,

1120
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: but like we cannot do this. That's a lot of it, right,

1121
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 4: That that is just that's like, let's not pretend it's

1122
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 4: anything else.

1123
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 2: That is what is dominating it now.

1124
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 4: On the flip side of it, though, Dan I would say,

1125
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 4: as we are watching Indiana right now and Ole Miss

1126
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: and Texas Tech do what they're doing in the transfer portal,

1127
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 4: I think you see that Indiana is a perfect example

1128
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 4: where year one it was like man, they brought all

1129
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: these jam you guys, they kept like some good players

1130
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: from the Tom Allen there. They really got it right.

1131
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 4: Then they go build a great portal class they go

1132
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: out and get exactly what they need not just the

1133
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 4: Heisman winner, but players all over the field who are

1134
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 4: making them better, who are upgrading their you know, they're

1135
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: they're starting lineup this year. You're gonna go win a

1136
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 4: battle for Nick Marsh. You're gonna go get Josh Hoover

1137
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 4: lined up, Like Josh Hoaver's not taking any other visits.

1138
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: Josh Hoover wants to go to to Indiana. You know,

1139
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: you're going to get one of the best pass rushers

1140
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: in the portal from k State. You are going out

1141
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 4: and getting you know, Turbo Richard from from Boston College.

1142
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: And the list is growing.

1143
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 4: I look at some of those, Dan, and I wonder,

1144
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 4: can some of these programs have build on this momentum

1145
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: stack enough portal classes that like, can one of them

1146
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: actually like be a Clemson and actually be around for

1147
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 4: five years like that or ten years? And actually that's

1148
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: the one where that's the thing you're watching play out

1149
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: live that is really interesting to me. Like obviously Texas

1150
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 4: Tech is invested in being one of those programs and

1151
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: being competing at the highest level for as long as

1152
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 4: they can, you know, for an indefinite period of time.

1153
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 4: Like text Tech is fully all in on this stuff.

1154
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: Indiana is too Ole Miss the way that that you know,

1155
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 4: Pete Golden has always been a great recruiter at Old Miss,

1156
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 4: and they're doing a killer job in the portal. They're

1157
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 4: doing a killer job with retention. I'm fascinating to see

1158
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: as we move in next year and we you know, yeah,

1159
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: the portal changes every year and the money goes up

1160
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. Can some of these

1161
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: programs sustain it? And yes, they're not going to win

1162
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: national championships every year obviously, and you know, blue chip

1163
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: ratio still matters, and the great you know, the great

1164
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 4: programs will still be the great programs. But I'm I

1165
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: think it's possible that some of these can really sustain

1166
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 4: this that as long as Signette's in Indiana, I think

1167
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 4: Indiana can stay here.

1168
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 1: That makes sense if you don't have a terrible scene

1169
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: this is do.

1170
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 4: You think this is just kind of fleeting and like

1171
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 4: it just the rosters are so year to year that

1172
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 4: it's hard to stay at this level.

1173
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: It's it is hard to stay at this level. I

1174
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, uh fullheartedly believe Kurt Signetti

1175
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: is an excellent coach and so he and his staff

1176
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: will get the most out of players who come in.

1177
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: But as we've seen with you know, Florida State, it's

1178
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 1: an example, and maybe Mike Norvell is not a great coach.

1179
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a controversial statement to make. If

1180
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: you miss on a class and you are recruiting over

1181
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: the high school recruits, you're going to lose your high

1182
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: school recruited players and have a bad portal class and

1183
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: then suddenly you're left with a super thin roster of quality.

1184
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: And so that that sort of strategy is banking on

1185
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: continued coaching excellence and absolutely nailing every portal class and

1186
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: being lucky with injuries, which is not necessarily an every

1187
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: year thing to me.

1188
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 4: And then as Lanning is going through now, then okay,

1189
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: you're if you're gonna have the same success, then your

1190
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: coordinators are gonna be head coaches, and your your coaches

1191
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 4: are going.

1192
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: To move up in the world.

1193
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: And so how do you take the magic of this

1194
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 4: and keep it going with different people? And I think

1195
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 4: that's a really hard thing too, and that hasn't hasn't

1196
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 4: really happened yet for for Kurtzy and Netty. As good

1197
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 4: as his coordinators are, and they're some of the best

1198
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 4: in the country. So yeah, but I think that that

1199
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: certainly plays into it too. But yeah, I don't know.

1200
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm like back in November, it's sort.

1201
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 4: Of like, Okay, well, yeah, let's use a way better

1202
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 4: job than ole miss, Like who could blame him and

1203
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff.

1204
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: I think.

1205
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: I think this, this whole ordeal has galvanized everybody in

1206
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: Oxford of like, Okay, we need to go out and

1207
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: show like we are all in. We need to bring

1208
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: all these players back. We need to put together a

1209
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 4: killer portal class. Yeah, some of these like you got

1210
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 4: you gotta seize the moment here and and go get

1211
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 4: a great class, and you're right down that. There's also

1212
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: as this is going on right now, and it's it's

1213
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 4: very fast and furious, and like I keep a spreadsheet

1214
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: of like where every FBA scholarship player is transfering to.

1215
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: My spreadsheet is in shambles, like it would take me days.

1216
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 4: To update it with who's in the portal and who's

1217
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: going where, Like, well, hopefully we'll catch up at some point.

1218
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: But there are definitely going to be some programs right

1219
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 4: now who are either going to put together portal classes

1220
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: with the wrong players or they're going to miss on

1221
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 4: the right players and like it's going to get them

1222
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 4: fired here a year from now because they didn't. Because

1223
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: that's just how it's just like college basketball, right, Like

1224
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 4: it's just it's a different team every year. And if

1225
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 4: you get it wrong, like we saw you know, at

1226
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State and a few other programs this year, Like

1227
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 4: if you get it wrong, like you could be cooked and.

1228
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: Right, and is the money going to double down? Right

1229
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: that if you screw up a portal class as all

1230
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the money going to get a little

1231
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: bit shy about giving you the same number that you

1232
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: were getting.

1233
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 4: The passage completely held against you, if it's like totally

1234
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: and the important people who willultimately end up having to

1235
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: say and if you get hired or fired are like, man,

1236
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of money on this team, you know,

1237
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 4: why are we terrible?

1238
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah, there's.

1239
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: Absolutely going to be especially as we go, you know,

1240
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: as we raise up the you know, the profile of

1241
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: these gms and we raise their pain and stuff, that's

1242
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 4: that's going to come with us. Just like an NFL,

1243
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 4: there's going to be accountability to you went out and

1244
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: did all this and spend all this money, and we

1245
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: went six and six, like we got to make some

1246
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 4: changes here.

1247
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: It's also really upset the balance of the coaching carousel,

1248
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: just from the standpoint of in the Year of Our

1249
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: Lord two thousand and eight. If the conversation were a

1250
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: really successful coach at Indiana potentially being in the mix

1251
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: for a job at Penn State, potentially being in the

1252
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: mix for a job let's say it, Michigan, you name it,

1253
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: Nobody on earth would have assumed that that guy would

1254
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: have stayed at Indiana. But now, given the state of

1255
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: affairs here, proof of concept, Kurt Signetti has done it.

1256
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: We have seen other coaches at smaller places do it

1257
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 3: as well. Texas Tech. I mean, I don't say smaller

1258
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 3: place in any derogatory sense, but they've got the money.

1259
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: They are obviously proving that they can do it quickly.

1260
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: They can turn things around quickly. Given the state of

1261
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: affairs again around the sport, that conversation has changed now.

1262
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: And I know Dan and I had that conversation when

1263
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 3: we were talking about this most recent coaching cycle. Guys

1264
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: are more apt to stay where they're at if they've

1265
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: got the money, if they've proven they can do it,

1266
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 3: why go elsewhere.

1267
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: What's the point.

1268
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: You can just build it where you're at if you've

1269
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: got the money to support it.

1270
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 4: So I went and visited Texas Tech when they were

1271
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: six and zero and went to Love for a few

1272
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 4: days and sccing with Joe McGuire's as a lot of

1273
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: these things. I think right as I was going there

1274
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 4: to visit them, I think James Franklin had just been

1275
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 4: fired like the day before, and so of course those

1276
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: guys were close to that role and they're like, man,

1277
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 4: what's going to happen with that job and all that,

1278
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 4: and JOm maguire is like, hey, just remember, do not

1279
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 4: put my name on any of these lists.

1280
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna die here. This is the job.

1281
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: This is the job I always wanted. And you know,

1282
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 4: if Texas or a and M or Oklahoma opens up, like,

1283
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 4: I'm freaking not going there. And I think that's something

1284
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 4: that one hundred percent ten years ago, you'd be like,

1285
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 4: you'd be crazy not to and now it's it's every

1286
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 4: campus is a little bit different in terms of how

1287
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 4: they're attacking this stuff. And if you feel like the

1288
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 4: coaches that feel like they have the alignment right, and

1289
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 4: I know that's how Signetti views it in Indiana where

1290
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 4: you the president, the ad on down the donor class.

1291
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 4: If you get this all lined up, not only can

1292
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Speaker 4: you be very successful today and tomorrow, but you don't

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Speaker 4: want to leave. Those guys want to leave, and they

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Speaker 4: you know, everybody gets taken care of and everyone's happy.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I was talking to a coaching agent

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Speaker 4: from that time who said, as they were looking at

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Speaker 4: these jobs that were opening, it used to be like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: what are the facilities, Like what's the staff pool? You know,

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Speaker 4: how nice are the how nice are the waterfalls in

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Speaker 4: the building and all that type of stuff?

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Speaker 2: Right, and like it, you know, what's the you know,

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Speaker 2: what are the recruiting advantages? All kind of stuff. They said.

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Speaker 4: Now it's just cut and dry. It's like how much

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Speaker 4: cap room do you have? How are you going to

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00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 4: go over the cap? And that's what everybody's trying to

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Speaker 4: deal right now is how much room do we have?

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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 4: How are we going to circumvent the rules here and

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00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: spend more on this team? Who's going to fund that

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00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 4: circumvention of going over the cap with with who's going

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Speaker 4: to fund the you know, true nil or whatever we

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Speaker 4: want to call it.

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Speaker 2: And so that that is the name of the game now.

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Speaker 4: And so if you're at a place that has it

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Speaker 4: figured out, then you're really happy and you're really advantaged,

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Speaker 4: and you're getting great players and you can sustain success.

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Speaker 4: And if you're at a place where it's like a

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Speaker 4: little bit messy, or you don't have as much money

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Speaker 4: as you should, or it's you know, like, you want

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Speaker 4: to get out of that place too, and you want

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Speaker 4: to see you got to you like you're very envious.

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Speaker 2: I hear that from a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of envy when you look at like

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Speaker 4: Texas Tech and just like, oh man.

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Speaker 2: It's not just like, oh man, I'd love to have

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Speaker 2: a billionaire as my best friend. It's not just that.

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Speaker 4: It's having it all lined up and having it figured

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Speaker 4: out in terms of how to actually pull this off.

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Speaker 3: Alrighty Max, why don't we leave it there. I've got

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Speaker 3: one final question for you. I love to ask this

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Speaker 3: question because it makes people uncomfortable, So don't share too much.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to put you in a bad spot.

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Speaker 3: But how many rumors are you sitting on right now

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Speaker 3: that we'll never see the light of day with regard

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Speaker 3: to the portal?

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Speaker 2: Oh Man?

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Speaker 1: And give us seventeen of them.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I heard a really bad one yesterday, Like,

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Speaker 4: and by a bad one, I mean somebody told me

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01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 4: about a quarterback who was making a move and I

1340
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 4: was floored, floored, and I called I called Pete Theamela.

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Speaker 4: I said, hey, can you talk to their rep can

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Speaker 4: you look into this? And he reached out to their

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Speaker 4: representation and they said, yeah, you know, the reason that

1344
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Speaker 4: he just moved out of his house is because he's

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Speaker 4: moving to a house closer to the facility.

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Speaker 2: He's not any of the transport.

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Speaker 1: So it was a moving situation. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd heard he's moving out of his house. What's

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Speaker 4: that mean? It sounds like he's going in the portal.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like maybe they're going to replace him. Uh No,

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Speaker 4: he was just trying to get a house closer to

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Speaker 4: to to you know, off season workouts and all that.

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Speaker 2: Now we'll see maybe that.

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Speaker 4: I'll let you guys know if that player enters the

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Speaker 4: portal here in the next Yeah. Yeah, who's right, But

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Speaker 4: there's a yeah, there's even even as like the quarterback

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Speaker 4: market is so well established and we like we know

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Speaker 4: who's out there, and we know who everybody's fighting over

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Speaker 4: who knows. There's always the possibility that, you know, some

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Speaker 4: quarterback on a playoff team is like, Oh, I guess

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Speaker 4: I could go make six million bucks at Miami.

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Speaker 2: I'm I mean, maybe I'll go do that, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I think that's I'd also say, like right now, like

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Speaker 4: if if I tweeted every dollar figure that was like

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Speaker 4: texted to me by somebody, man, my batting average would

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 4: be horrible, honestly, because it's just it's so all this

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Speaker 4: stuff is just so hard to prove.

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Speaker 2: It really is, like it's it's so hard even nobody.

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Speaker 4: I wish to those listening, please send me your pds,

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Speaker 4: send me your contracts, show me, show me these dollar figures.

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Speaker 4: Please nobody send nobody dms, me contracts and PDFs. I

1373
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Speaker 4: would love to see the real numbers on these things,

1374
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 4: for you know sometime she you just you talk to

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Speaker 4: gms and agents and it's all speculation and it's inflated or.

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01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 2: It's too high or its too low.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's a hard thing to really nail down,

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Speaker 4: uh at this time of year.

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Speaker 2: But you hear a lot.

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Speaker 3: Why don't we leave it there again? His name is

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Speaker 3: Max Olsen. You could find his fine work over at

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Speaker 3: ESPA dot com.

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Speaker 1: Max, best of luck.

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Speaker 3: To you, not just with your newborn, but with your

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 3: sleeping cycle right now amid all of this portal madness.

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Speaker 3: We will definitely catch up with you at some point

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Speaker 3: soon on the flip side.

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Speaker 2: Take care, thanks for having me guys.

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Speaker 3: All right there you go, Max Olson, the best ESPN

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Speaker 3: dot Com. Very much in the weeds with all things

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Speaker 3: transfer Portal. I do not envy the position he is in.

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Speaker 3: I say that not because there's not enough content, but

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Speaker 3: just because there is so much content. It is a

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Speaker 3: fire hose that Max is drinking out of right now.

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: And it's not just Max, it's everybody who covers the

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Speaker 3: Transfer Portal. That is a really, really tough spot to

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: be in right now. So he's doing marvelous work. Go

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01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 3: and follow him, Go and check him out. More to come.

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Speaker 3: Right This is only a Sunday episode for us. There's

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Speaker 3: like a whole other week left in this Transfer Portal business.

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 3: Lord knows there will be further high jinks as some

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 3: teams get eliminated as we get a little bit deeper

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Speaker 3: into the month of January. But in terms of the

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Speaker 3: lay of the land right now, that's where things stand.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice that college football forget the calendar. Tie,

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Speaker 1: It's so nice that college football. We talk about the

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: sport's biggest product that they sell as hope, But the

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01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: second most successful product that this sport sells to me

1409
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: is anxiety. And so think about whether you root for

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: a team that's still playing at the time recording. Maybe

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01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: I can be like, Wow, what an Oregon win, or

1412
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: like oh god that Oregon lost. Stung man. You can

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01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: get all my reactions and now, but you think about

1414
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: all the ways in which you can build out hope

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: in your brain for your college football team. Think about

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: what now that transfer portal on top of the coaching

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: carousel season, on top of year round recruiting, on top

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01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: of the games itself, on top of hearing about a

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01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: spring practice or fall camp injury and hoping it's not serious,

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: on top of every single moment in a game, every

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Speaker 1: major third down moment, every field goal before the end

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Speaker 1: of a game, whatever, all the clock decisions, all the

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Speaker 1: fourth down decisions. We now have the anxiety that Tie

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Speaker 1: gets to feel. I get to feel as people who

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01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: root for excellent teams, excellent programs, why isn't my excellent program?

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01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: Doing more right now to be more excellent.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling it right now again Thursday recording, But notre dame.

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 3: As I said on the episode Big Old Goose Egg.

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 3: Not a whole lot of transfer portal movement. I like

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 3: the players on the roster. I feel good about what

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 3: Marcus Freeman has assembled already. They'll be fine. They're going

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 3: to be one of the top teams in the country

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01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 3: again next year. Would have like to see a number

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: one receiver by now? What if I would have felt

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Speaker 3: better about.

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: Nick marsh right, the most spoiled fans to be just

1437
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: a little moral spoiled.

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Speaker 3: That's that's exactly what a great Anyway, Look, Max does

1439
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 3: a good job. Please go out there and follow and

1440
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: support his work at ESPN dot com. We will be

1441
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: back in very short order with another episode, obviously going

1442
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 3: to be talking through the college football Playoff national Championship,

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01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 3: any news that arises between now and then. There is

1444
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: much more to discuss on the college football front here,

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 3: so do not tune out quite yet.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you made.

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Speaker 3: It this far, hit follow or subscribe, we'd appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Can I ask you a portal related question to

1449
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: close this out? Oh?

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01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, yeah, you guess, come on, thanks for the

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: show too. So yeah, let's say you're out in your

1453
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,959
Speaker 1: backyard playing with your dogs, throwing the ball underhand because

1454
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: you still have a bum shoulder, and one of your dogs,

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01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, skids after a ball, and all of a sudden,

1456
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: oil shoots out of the ground. Okay, oil oil, right

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01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: as Eastern Pa is known to be the hotbed of

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: crude oil and all around. Yeah, yeah, of course. So

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Speaker 1: let's say you come into hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Where are you donating that money if you feel passionately

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Speaker 1: about the portal? Are you donating to Notre Dame or

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Speaker 1: Penn State.

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Speaker 3: I would donate to Penn State.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the right answer.

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't. I bet Notre Dame didn't let me in.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame didn't let you in.

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame wait listed me. I can root for Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: But I'm giving my money to Penn State.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the right answer. I'm glad how quickly

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01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: you answered that question. Also, because like occasionally you'll go

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01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 1: to a game, you'll go with your friends, it would

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Speaker 1: be to like sit in a suite, right the Ty

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: hilden brand Sweet on the fifty yard line.

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Speaker 2: Listen to me.

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Speaker 3: There have been plenty of moments throughout the course of

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: my younger life when I was like f notre dame. Sure,

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Speaker 3: I still root for the team. I want them to

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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: do well, but no, I as I carry that with me,

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Speaker 3: I carry that with me, that rejection Letter's all right, Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 3: We're allowed to be petty here. I will say this too,

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01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: regardless of how passionate I am about the transfer portal,

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Speaker 3: there are plenty of other better charities to give your money.

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Speaker 1: To disagree, I couldn't couldn't disagree more Ti.

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Speaker 3: It would be probably a war of words here in

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Speaker 3: the hilden Brandt residence, with me trying to convince my

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Speaker 3: very kind and very charity charity minded wife that no, no,

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Speaker 3: we actually should be giving this money to department Nick Mark.

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Speaker 3: That would be a very difficult conversation for me to

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Speaker 3: have personally.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, if you're coming into that kind of money,

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Speaker 1: you can you both right, you can be your own coasin.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm not sure I would be able.

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Speaker 1: To Okay, fair enough, Okay, I appreciate the honesty. I

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01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: think that is the right answer. By the way, you

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: went to Penn State. You're from Pennsylvania. Oh yeah, you

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01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: gotta have in state see Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: Agree, Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Why don't we leave it there for that guy over there,

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Speaker 3: my good friend Dan rubens Sein for our honored guest today,

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 3: Max Olson and ESPN. Thank you as always for downloading,

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01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 3: for listening, for supporting, for tuning in. Until next time,

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Speaker 3: Stay Sawid peace,