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Speaker 1: Welcome into the latest episode of Fish Bites. As always,

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Speaker 1: it is Danny Martinez here with you to talk to

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Speaker 1: Marlin's baseball, and if we're being honest, not to talk

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Speaker 1: about a lot of wins, because there are many wins

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Speaker 1: happening right now now. If you've heard me, you've known

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Speaker 1: my stance on this right this is not the year

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Speaker 1: to be talking about wins and losses. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: the entire last episode was a conversation on how I

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Speaker 1: might even be a little bit more impatient than some

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Speaker 1: of the fans, where I want wins and losses being

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Speaker 1: of significance as soon as next year. Some fans, most fans,

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Speaker 1: at least from people that engage with me and the

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Speaker 1: polls that we've sent out, care about that a little

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Speaker 1: bit more strongly in twenty twenty one. But if you're

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Speaker 1: one of the minority that care about that at the

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Speaker 1: priority level for twenty nineteen, it has been a tough week.

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Speaker 1: It has been a tough week and a half really,

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Speaker 1: because unless the Marlins are playing the Phillies, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like there's much good to talk about at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, and at the end of the

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Speaker 1: box score. Of course, there's bright spots. Of course, there's

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Speaker 1: pitching performances that we can highlight. There's things all across

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Speaker 1: the organization that are positive that'll happen in a rebuild.

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Speaker 1: But at the major league level on a major league podcast,

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Speaker 1: you better believe that I can't sit here and talk

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Speaker 1: with you forty five minutes about the major league wins

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Speaker 1: and losses. So what are we going to speak about today?

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Speaker 1: We'll make no mistake, of course, we're going to have

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Speaker 1: our performances of the week. Our pitching performance of the

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Speaker 1: week are hitting performance of the week. But there's really

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Speaker 1: two or three dialogue pieces that I want to get

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Speaker 1: to today before doctor ron Cox comes to join us.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be really special interview. I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited to have him on. He's going to be on

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Speaker 1: the latter part of the show. You know, he's going

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Speaker 1: to give us a lot of it site. I'll leave

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Speaker 1: it at that. A brilliant guy, someone who I haven't

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Speaker 1: spoken back and forth many emails with about baseball. His mind,

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Speaker 1: the way that he can illustrate some of the thoughts

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Speaker 1: towards this Marlins organization, towards the game of baseball. I

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Speaker 1: think you're going to be really excited for it. But

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Speaker 1: before we jump into that, let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 1: into the discussion. There's three things that I really want

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Speaker 1: to talk about today. The first one is the fact

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Speaker 1: that the international free agency signing period opened up and

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Speaker 1: the Marlins were big time players in it once again,

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Speaker 1: a year after being one of the biggest players in

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit about that. Second,

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Speaker 1: we're going to go I have a little recap, right

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, it's likely in the All

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Speaker 1: Star break, We're going to recap a bit about what

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Speaker 1: we saw with the Marlins in this first half. I

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Speaker 1: wrote an article called the Phantom of the Marlins for

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes because there was a lot of back and forth,

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of extremes. There were basically two teams,

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Speaker 1: to take a shot at talking about this anemic offense

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Speaker 1: because it's the one thing that everyone kept bringing up,

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Speaker 1: and I understand, I mean, listen, you know, yesterday. They

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Speaker 1: were recording this on a Sunday Saturday. The Marlins. Of course,

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Speaker 1: they go out and they score five and they hit fifteen,

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Speaker 1: but before that there was a seventeen inning scoreless streaks.

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Speaker 1: There's not much to discuss when we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: goodness gracious, where's it going to come from. So everything

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Speaker 1: to solve this anemic offense. But we're going to start

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Speaker 1: with international signings. Listen, if you've heard me, if you've

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Speaker 1: known me, this is something I've said this story multiple times.

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Speaker 1: I went to the Derek jeteror town hall that he

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Speaker 1: it makes sense, because it makes baseball sense, it makes

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Speaker 1: They dive into the financial or rather into the international pool.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what the Marlins have done over the

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Speaker 1: last two years. This year thus far, right, the period

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Speaker 1: is incredibly open. It doesn't close until next year's international

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Speaker 1: free agency signing period opens. So far they have eleven

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of these kids. These are sixteen

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Speaker 1: international scouts. Anyone who's told you otherwise, unless you're Jesse

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Speaker 1: limited in baseball organizations. They're just blowing smoke. But at

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Speaker 1: least from the information that we have from those in

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Speaker 1: the know, the leading three is shortstop Host Salas. He's

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Speaker 1: ranked number ten on Pipeline's top rankings of international free agents.

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Speaker 1: He's also known as the most advanced bat in this

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Speaker 1: Then you know that the Marlins are doing something right now.

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Speaker 1: in next year's free agency. So the reports from different

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Speaker 1: Marlin's Major League Baseball are Marlin's ballplayer in his own

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Speaker 1: So this looks like a rather strong handshake agreement. But

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Speaker 1: is incredibly important that they have done that without being

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Speaker 1: Good organizations, smart organizations win on the international front. The Marlins,

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Speaker 1: it out. This team has been two entirely different entities

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Speaker 1: Every single day we would see the same blueprint. The

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Speaker 1: was not the plan. Louis Brinton being demoted was not

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Speaker 1: they were suddenly an eighty seven win team. Miami got

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Speaker 1: I don't have to go much into it as a

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Speaker 1: fact that Harold Armirez and Garrett Cooper weren't even a

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the solution here. Suddenly they're playing well.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly they're winning series against the Cardinals, the Phillies, the Brewers,

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Speaker 4: Very good? And I'm very happy to be here, Dennie.

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Speaker 4: game season ticket holders. We saw every playoff in every

430
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Speaker 4: world played in Marlins Park, actually pro Player, which occurred

431
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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and three. In fact,

432
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Speaker 4: as I sit here in my office, I'm looking at this,

433
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Speaker 4: not looking at the two thousand and three World Series,

434
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Speaker 4: in the nineteen ninety seven series.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, because And I'll tell you what. When we

436
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Speaker 1: go to Yeah, we go to Jupiter for the spring

437
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: training games. You you sit amongst the Cardinals fans because they

438
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Speaker 1: obviously stare that they share that stadium rather Roger Dean,

439
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Speaker 1: and you really learned to love that Cardinals fan base

440
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Speaker 1: to a certain extent. Right, there's still an opposing team,

441
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Speaker 1: but you learn to love how much they care for

442
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: baseball and how much they care for their Cardinals. You

443
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Speaker 1: hardly ever hear a story like yours, which is, you know,

444
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: I was born and raised a Cardinals fan, and then

445
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Speaker 1: I came over here and I've started to love the Marlins,

446
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Speaker 1: and like you said, they needed me more than the

447
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Speaker 1: Cardinals did. You're absolutely You're absolutely right about that. Do

448
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: you have any friends they give you a hard time

449
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: the fact that you kind of had, like you said,

450
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: demoted the Cardinals to your second team, or is mostly

451
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Speaker 1: every one Okayn on board with you being a Marlins fan.

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Speaker 4: This is a great question because I get my love

453
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Speaker 4: at baseball from my momside of plan, particularly her father

454
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Speaker 4: or my grandfather. They were huge baseball fans. They are

455
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 4: a big Cardinal fans. My Hunt is also a big

456
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: Cardinals fan, and I thought, how do I break it

457
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Speaker 4: to them. I didn't want to break it to them

458
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Speaker 4: right away in ninety five when I made the official switch,

459
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Speaker 4: but I figured I've got to tell them sooner or later.

460
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Speaker 4: But not only did they completely understand they adopted the

461
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: Fish as their second team, which which I guessed, I

462
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: understood how passionate I'd already become about going to Marlin's games,

463
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: and it wasn't if I made a calculated switch. This

464
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: was an emotional switch. I got so attached just going

465
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Speaker 4: to the park and just being with a group of fans,

466
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Speaker 4: kind of starting your own little community. Including lifetime and

467
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 4: Ralph oro As attended practically every Marlins game since the

468
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Speaker 4: team first was founded. He's had some health issues recently,

469
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Speaker 4: he hasn't been able to attend games. It's consistently this season.

470
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Speaker 4: Basically just a group of us have continued to to

471
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Speaker 4: cover games together.

472
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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully whatever health conditions are there subside and he

473
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Speaker 1: can get right back to where I guess he feels

474
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Speaker 1: at home. It's nice knowing that there is absolutely for

475
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Speaker 1: as much as the national media and even some within Miami,

476
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Speaker 1: if we're being honest, talk about the Marlins fan base.

477
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Speaker 1: You know, those of us that are in here. And

478
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Speaker 1: I won't even pretend to be on the same level

479
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Speaker 1: as you. I mean, come on, I was a baby

480
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Speaker 1: when the Marlins were beginning their organization and their path, really,

481
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Speaker 1: but it's nice to know that when you're in there,

482
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Speaker 1: there really is a family. There are a certain amount

483
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Speaker 1: of individuals that love this team as if it is

484
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Speaker 1: their family. You said that you've seen the ups and downs,

485
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Speaker 1: and I kind of want to get a little bit

486
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Speaker 1: of that from you. I'll lead with the question of

487
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: how you feel about the organization right now, but you

488
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: can go as far back as you want to tell

489
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Speaker 1: us about your journey kind of as a fan, and

490
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Speaker 1: then end up with what you think about what they're

491
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Speaker 1: doing and the rebuild and the organizational changes that we're

492
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Speaker 1: seeing now.

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Speaker 4: It's a fascinating history. Of course, we've gone through several

494
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: different ownership groups. We've had some devastating moments and our

495
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: history that are very closely approximate to the highest moments

496
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Speaker 4: that the franchise has ever experienced, particularly ninety seven when

497
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Speaker 4: we were in the World Series, only that team dispant. Well,

498
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: of course, we had the first ownership change. I was

499
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Speaker 4: pretty optimistic without ownership change. I thought that John Henry

500
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: was probably the best owner that this franchise could ever

501
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: possibly have because he was deep pocketed, he appeared to

502
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: have a commitment to the team. Major League Baseball intervening

503
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 4: and when I thought it was very callous fashion because

504
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: it was mixed with threat to relocate our franchise, which

505
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 4: was a very difficult period, and you did have this

506
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: ownership swap where jeff Lorier came. And I had read

507
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: enough baseball history to be very worried about Jeffrey Laurier

508
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: because he'd had the bad history with the Expos, which

509
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: wasn't entirely his fault, but I thought this was a

510
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: terrible choice. I was actually in ty Us with my

511
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: wife when the news came down that jeff Lauria was

512
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 4: to own the team, and I thought, this is not

513
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: going to end well. He doesn't have a good ownership history,

514
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much money he has, and entirely

515
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: subsized my Major League baseball I felt, as with all

516
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: the threats, all the animosity and the national media toward Miami,

517
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Speaker 4: I said, look, it's not the player's fault. I'm a

518
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: player first kind of fan. I go to the park

519
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: to root for the players. I don't go to the

520
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: park to root for the owners. So I've tried to

521
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: separate those two things. And obviously it's much nicer when

522
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: you have an ownership group like the current group. It

523
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 4: seems to have a consistent plan that doesn't seem to

524
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Speaker 4: be devigating from that plan, and there's short history of ownership,

525
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Speaker 4: whereas with the previous ownership of Jeff Lauria, you never

526
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Speaker 4: had a plan, which was so frustrated. It's not how

527
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: good baseball people. It's not that we didn't have our

528
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: share of excitement. We won a World Series under his ownership,

529
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Speaker 4: which is Baseball Prospectives has pointed out was actually half

530
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Speaker 4: due to the previous ownership group and half due to

531
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Speaker 4: the decisions of Dave Dobrowski and half do decisions of

532
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Speaker 4: Larry Beinfest. It was rather fascinating, but whatever it too

533
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 4: won that World Series. Things look pretty good for a

534
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: few years at Pro Player, but obviously the fact that

535
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Speaker 4: LA being Jeff Lauria, could not stick to any consistent plan.

536
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Speaker 4: I think the new ownership group sticks to its plan.

537
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Speaker 4: So far we're seeing some of the fruits of that.

538
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean there was always this overwhelming

539
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: cloud of ambiguity of what the Marlins were going to

540
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: do under the Lauria era, right, whether it was highlighted

541
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Speaker 1: with Jennings eventually coming down and being an interim manager,

542
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: whether it was the often spoken about trades where they

543
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: went for it too early or too prematurely, or then

544
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: did not go forward enough when they were closer to contention.

545
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Speaker 1: You know, you bring up a really good point that

546
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: two thousand and three title. A lot of it can

547
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Speaker 1: be a tip of the cap to Dobrowski. It didn't

548
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: have to be the fact they almost inherited a championship team,

549
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: and then they did make moves, of course, to solidify

550
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: that championship team towards the end of part of that year.

551
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Speaker 1: But I think it's a very important point that you

552
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Speaker 1: make that a lot of individuals often overlook. I completely

553
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: agree with you on the ambiguity of the Lauria era

554
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: on the doubts of where his interests really were. That's

555
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: at least my personal point to that, and I'm excited.

556
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the changes that have happened. I'm excited

557
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,239
Speaker 1: that you pinpointed something that we need to highlight, the

558
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Speaker 1: fact that he really does seem like he's going to

559
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Speaker 1: stick to a plan. And when I say he really,

560
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Speaker 1: I just mean the whole Sherman ownership group. Whether it's

561
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter because he's the lightning post rob that everyone

562
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: always goes at, but really it's the Sherman ownership group.

563
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: It's Jeter running the baseball foundation of it, it's Hill

564
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 1: having a good sense of the plan. I agree with you.

565
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Speaker 1: Will it work, We don't know, right, but at the

566
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Speaker 1: very least that cloud of ambiguity seems like it's gone.

567
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Speaker 1: Let me get your opinion on some of the very

568
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: concrete changes that they've made. How did you feel about

569
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Speaker 1: the changes to the stadium, the changes to the rebranding,

570
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: and then the colors, and even some of the transactions

571
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Speaker 1: that we've seen the baseball changes.

572
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Speaker 4: I actually thought the changes of the colors was welcome.

573
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Speaker 4: But I have not been too picky when it comes

574
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: to the history of the different different colors and different

575
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 4: brands of pretty much tended to like them all. But

576
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Speaker 4: I think it was necessary for the new ownership group

577
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 4: to sort of completely distance themselves from the previous ownership

578
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: group and say we're headed in this new direction. We're

579
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: not like rebuilding the organization from the bottom up, but

580
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: we're actually changing the book and the CeAl of the

581
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: entire organization, which I can completely understand. That that being said,

582
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Speaker 4: one thing that I did like about the Laureate group,

583
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Speaker 4: so the fact that Laurio was an art dealer. How

584
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: to find this for eclecticism and color when it came

585
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: to the interior of the park. So I actually liked

586
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Speaker 4: a lot of the funkiness of the previous book of

587
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Speaker 4: the stadium. But that being said, it would have been

588
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: inappropriate to keep the look of the old stadium, that is,

589
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Speaker 4: the old design patterns, try to mix it with the

590
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Speaker 4: new color scheme. If you're going to create a new

591
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 4: color scheme, you pretty much have to redro everything.

592
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I agree with you. I think that they

593
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: they tried obviously to distance themselves.

594
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Speaker 4: Right.

595
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because in twenty twelve, Lawyer does the same, right,

596
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's an entire nearly new stadium. It's

597
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: entirely new organization that they're building, very Miami centric versus Florida.

598
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: But he tries to distance himself from some of the pinstripes,

599
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: some of the difficulties, some of the emptiness of Pro

600
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Player or Joe Robbie or Dolphin Stadium or land Shark Stadium,

601
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: whatever we want to call them. And then now this

602
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: ownership group does the same. And really, I mean I

603
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: think in businesses we see that, right, someone comes in

604
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: changes and they have wholesale changes of what the image

605
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: of the branding is of that company. It seems like

606
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: Sherman and Jeter wanted to distance themselves from Lauria. Do

607
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: you think that you've spoken about the plan. Do you

608
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: think that on the field they're going to be able

609
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: to start getting to that point as well. It's very

610
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: easy to execute a rebranding, it's a little bit more

611
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: difficult to execute an on field rebuild. How do you

612
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: feel about how they're handling that thus far?

613
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Speaker 4: Basically that would give them raheim hurts are doing with

614
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: the entire organization. In fact, I remember back to your

615
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 4: first Fish Dripes podcast and how much I've liked your

616
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: soliloquy about the various points you made about the necessity

617
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: of the rebuild that it made sense. I kept notting

618
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: agreement with everything you were saying. So basically, I sort

619
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 4: of like the fact that fish Stripes all the sites

620
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: that are out there, is the site actually talking is

621
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: sophisticated with me about what it takes to build a

622
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 4: consistently competitive baseball team, which is the topic, of course

623
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: of my two thousand and six book, How you actually

624
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 4: effectively build a long term competitive team. You have to

625
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: have an incredible amount of depth, and I think people

626
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 4: underappreciate what extent. You can't simply have a quality team

627
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: at the major league with no depth at the minor leagues.

628
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: You have to have a minor weak system that is stocked.

629
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Speaker 4: If you don't have that, you're in trouble. That's equally true,

630
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 4: by the way, even if you're a high revenue team,

631
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 4: because even high revenue teams understand the importance of depth.

632
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: Look at the Dodgers, look at the Yankees, look at

633
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 4: the Astros. Basically their entire franchise building with the various

634
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 4: ownership groups that have taken over and have been successful,

635
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: have been about creating as much debt throughout the system

636
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: as well as instructing their players in the system in

637
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: a very systematic fashion. But each layer of the system

638
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: reinforces the other layer that basically was entirely missing from

639
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: the previous structure, which is something that Time bad and

640
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: has been very perceptive about. I'm very open about he

641
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: was frustrated when he would get players from the miners.

642
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 4: They simply weren't instructed the way he felt they should

643
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: be instructed. And he's been pretty candid about that, and

644
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: I think pretty excited about the change of direction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting you bring up Donnie. A lot of

646
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of rumors a lot of individual

647
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: opinions is what we'll call them on what will happen

648
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: with him? Right? Will he still be within the organization,

649
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: Will he still hold his current position is obviously his

650
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: last year. Will they bring in another piece? But the

651
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: reality is is that at least lately, the momentum has

652
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: been we'll say, moving towards moving towards him being an

653
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: amazing part of this rebuild. The fact that these young

654
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: guys are starting to rally around him, the fact that

655
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: he has really been able to you know, he's come

656
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: from such and I think Glenn Geffner actually illustrated this.

657
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: He's come from such a winning organizations. You can say,

658
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: whether it was his time playing for the Yankees or

659
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: whether it was his time's coaching for the Dodgers, and

660
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: then now he's handling this rebuild like a pro, even

661
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: though it's the first time he's ever really had to

662
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: go through something like this. So I guess on Twitter

663
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: this might get me a little bit of a feedback.

664
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm not so certain that Donnie isn't retained rather as

665
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: a Marlin's manager moving forward, or at the very least

666
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Speaker 1: as a part of the organization in some fashion, because

667
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: he seems to really get what they're doing, and he

668
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: seems to understand that system that you illustrated. Uh, I

669
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: don't want to move on from the book quite yet.

670
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: When you're talking about team building and roster construction and

671
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: and and especially for low revenue teams, that's a topic

672
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: we spoke about before coming on. Can you illustrate some

673
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: of the points that you found and that you discussed

674
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Speaker 1: in your book that you feel as successful, that you

675
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: would you would you would put into play if you

676
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: were the owner of the GM of a team.

677
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: Of course, there's so much information that teams have to

678
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: acquire and to make their modern day organization successful. We

679
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: can talk about analytics, we can talk about samer metrics. Obviously,

680
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: Fish Stripes has talked a lot of very positive things

681
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: about the current direction of the organization in terms of

682
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 4: their greater focus on athletics, the greater focus on but

683
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: I think to actually accentuate the important aspect of this,

684
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: it's not enough just to focus on these things. You

685
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: have to constantly be at the cutting edge of what's happening.

686
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: Because the whole secret to the money bubble a book

687
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 4: about the Oakland A's the whole secret to the Oakland

688
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 4: A success as well as other teams who kind of

689
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 4: follow those models, is that they were a bit ahead

690
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 4: of other organizations in certain ways. They identify areas being

691
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: systematically undervalued by other teams. Those areas aren't constant, they're

692
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: consistently shifting. Of course, the latest trend is to try

693
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: to integrate analytics with teaching on the field, so it's

694
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 4: not simply about acquiring players based on past performance. It's

695
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: about helping to improve players current performance. I see very

696
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: encouraging science with the Fish, but in fairness, would be

697
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: completely unreasonable to expect them to be working camp is

698
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 4: to expect it. We're used to this, to expect them

699
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 4: be where the Yankees or the Hunters are. But the

700
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: fact that they're at least headed in that direction, the

701
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 4: fact that there's really significant investments analytics, which basically quadruple

702
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 4: analytics hires and continuing to make you hire directions extreme dream.

703
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Speaker 1: So I don't want to put you on the spot

704
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: with this one, but I'm really interested in your perspective.

705
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, you speak to how this is a novice

706
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: situation for the Marlins. It's being built from the ground up,

707
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: and we're talking about analytics but not just analytics, uh,

708
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I guess. Really the question is is there a risk

709
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: factor with the current Marlins organization that you identify or

710
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: is it just that it's new to them and that

711
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: this is a novice situation for them. You know, I don't.

712
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: I don't really want us to feel like we have

713
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: to come up with something that's just wrong or something

714
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: that we would change, or something that's negative. But I

715
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: wonder if there is is there something you've observed that

716
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: you would say, well, this might be a risk factor

717
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: for them, This might be something they're overlooking from what

718
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: you can see from the outside looking at of course,

719
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: or is it just that this is new for them

720
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: and they're behind the game per se.

721
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: I suspect a couple of different things are going on simultaneously.

722
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: The first is the fact that since they took over

723
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: the franchise, they've operated as kind of a hybrid their

724
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: first year because they inherited some people with the previous franchise.

725
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 4: So basically, the first draft look very different from the

726
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 4: second draft, which basically reinforces the point that I'm making

727
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: about this hybrid situation. The second draft, I thought was

728
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: much more of what I would have expected. This team

729
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: to do because the second draft they brought in more

730
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: of their own people. But yeah, I think more of

731
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: an organizational focus and more of a consistency with their plan.

732
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: I was extremely excited. Here's so many sports drivers and

733
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 4: people that just said nothing but bad things about the

734
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: Mare Orlans through their entire history. Basically find my commands.

735
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 4: You know, this draft was not only good, This draft

736
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: maybe one of the top three or five drafts in

737
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: the country, if not the best draft in the country.

738
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: And obviously we can't be sure until the players actually

739
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: hit the fields and that kind of thing. We just

740
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: to have that kind of positive press reinforced what people

741
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: like you and I have been saying about the potential

742
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: your franchise was encouraging.

743
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: You're amazing. You really are. You really are.

744
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 4: You're amazing.

745
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave us with this last

746
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: question because it's one of the again, one of the

747
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: ones that we spoke about prior to coming on, and

748
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting one. You know, you said

749
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: that you have a fondness for rooting for quote unquote

750
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: the underdogs. I wonder if that just comes from from

751
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: you in any particular place or if you can elaborate

752
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: a little bit on why that is, that is something

753
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: that you are okay with and you are comfortable with.

754
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 4: I guess it starts from the fact that I'm the

755
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: son of a truck driver. I'm working class kid that

756
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: became a college professor. So basically I've seen the kind

757
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: of obstacles he's had to overcome just to make a living.

758
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: When it comes to the players versus the owners, I'm

759
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: a player first guy. I'm skeptical of virtually whole ownership groups.

760
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: I think it's wise to be skeptical because, as far

761
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: as I'm concerned, the players play the game, they deserve

762
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 4: as much revenue as I can possibly get. They don't

763
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 4: go to the park to see the owners. But then

764
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: there's a flip side it is which sometimes comes across

765
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 4: a somewhat contradictory to friends that may share my rooting

766
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: for the working class under and I understand why I

767
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 4: would root for the Marlins as a low revenue franchise,

768
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 4: considering would some consider rather odious history with the corporate

769
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: you know, sham of the way the ballpark was was

770
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: financed by the public, when in fact that the owner

771
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: was rich enough to finance much of it himself, so

772
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: there has How can you root for a team like

773
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: Parland because my rooting for the Marlins coincides with my

774
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: underdog he goes because there are so many parts of

775
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: the country that seem to think Miami doesn't deserve a

776
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 4: baseball team. Miami shouldn't have Remember back in ninety seven,

777
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: you wouldn't remember to squearly as I do you obviously, But

778
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: back in ninety seven, even when we made the World

779
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 4: Series for the first time, Pod Costas, who I like

780
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: as a sportscaster and I grew up with them, basically

781
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: couldn't hide his snide commentary about hot there the Marlins

782
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: by themselves a World Series. And think of the audacity

783
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 4: of this, you know what I mean, Look at who

784
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 4: the Marlins have been competing against all year. We didn't

785
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: spend that much more money than a lot of other teams.

786
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 4: All of a sudden we're being accused of buying it.

787
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 4: And again we do it in two thousand and three

788
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 4: with a bunch of young prospects, and you still had

789
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 4: the notion among traditionals we somehow don't deserve to be there.

790
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 4: So basically that is just sort of fed my admiration

791
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 4: for the Marlins as a kind of underdog. Everyone's against this,

792
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: even when Lorio is the target. That even made me

793
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: root to the team more because so many people wanted

794
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: to see the franchise, so that that has an extra

795
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: incentto for me rooting for a team that has sort

796
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: of revenues and has to fight to basically in the

797
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 4: success of wealthy franchises.

798
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, if there is an underdog franchise, it's the Marlins.

799
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: And I think at the very least because I agree

800
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: with you, some might say, well, how can you be

801
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: for you know, the working class, And then we talk

802
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: about Marlins Park deal and the situation that the community

803
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: might not love the Marlins as some of us do,

804
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: but they are they really embody, especially now with this

805
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: ownership group, the image of what an underdog is and

806
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: with as much power has been put against them with

807
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: this rebuild, and not even the ownership group, just the

808
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: Marlins in general, with this rebuild, with some of the

809
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: things that they're doing, with some of the statements about

810
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: improving the stadiums, but I'm putting the on field, it's

811
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: incredibly illustrative that you yourself has identified them as an underdog

812
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: and the way that you did you know I'd lie

813
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: because I said that was gonna be the last question.

814
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: But if you have another two minutes, I'm interested in

815
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: getting your perspective on the Rays situation and the fact

816
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: that you know they got approval to look at this

817
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: somewhat suito relocation split team situation. If you have the time,

818
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: and if you don't, you let me know and we'll

819
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: cut it off. What are your thoughts on that situation?

820
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: Of course, Tampa has become my American League team. I

821
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 4: think I indicated in some of my notes to you,

822
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: because I've never had an American League team until the

823
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: Ras were found as an expansion for franchise. I've sort

824
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 4: of latched on the Tampa. They're bad years and they're

825
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 4: good years and very smart franchise. The Saber metric for

826
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: franchise is very attracted to that that kind of organization.

827
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 4: So for all the reasons, I'm excited about Marlin's new direction,

828
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: I've been excited about the raise, you know, last decade,

829
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: the last fifteen years in terms of where they have

830
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 4: heading in terms of the relocation, I think it would

831
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: be awsible if Major League Baseball moved the franchise, because

832
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: consider that could have easily happened to us down here

833
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 4: in Miami, and how awful we would have felt, even

834
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 4: though there aren't that many of us, and they could

835
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: have easily done that, but they didn't. I think Tampa

836
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: has a future. I think the best part of their

837
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 4: future would be to build a new ballpark in the

838
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 4: Tampa area as opposed to Saint Pete area, because they

839
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 4: have a lot more fans on the Tampa side. But

840
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 4: I think if that were to happen, there's no reason

841
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: why the team couldn't do well there, which is indicated

842
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 4: by their television ratings, and their television ratings in general

843
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: have been pretty good. It's just that people won't go

844
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: to that ballpark.

845
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree, and I'm sure you've heard

846
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: my thought on the whole split home with Tampa and

847
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: Montreal situation. I don't think that ends up happening. I

848
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: think that we end up on one of the extremes

849
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: where it is either that the government there or the owners,

850
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: as it should be at least my opinion, ends up

851
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: building something in the Tampa area, or there is an

852
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: outright relocation. I don't think that the splitting of seasons

853
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: in Montreal and then in Tampa. Although approved for them

854
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: to look into it, I don't think it's really feasible.

855
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll happen, but I just wanted to

856
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: make sure I got your thoughts.

857
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 4: Before you let that. I very much enjoyed your take

858
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 4: on it, which is that it's pretty out. Addition, it's

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Speaker 4: never going to happen, which is basically why I didn't

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Speaker 4: address it directly, beca You've already spoken to it so effectively.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you have to expect that's what they're going

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Speaker 4: to do, but hopefully there could be some kind of

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Speaker 4: understanding as the public does come forward and contribute anything

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Speaker 4: to this part Number one, they shouldn't contribute too much.

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Speaker 4: They basically should should It should be a true partnership,

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Speaker 4: and that means the ownership should contribute a lot because

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Speaker 4: with that caveat, I would love to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely okay, doctor Cox, you have been amazing. Before

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Speaker 1: we go, please just I know you might kill me

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Speaker 1: for having you do this, but let the individuals know

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Speaker 1: where they can find your work.

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Speaker 4: Okay, basically I have six books, but in terms of

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Speaker 4: your immediate audience, two thousand and six Baseball book would

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Speaker 4: probably pick the interest the post, which is called a

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Speaker 4: free agency in competitive balance. You can go to the

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Speaker 4: website of the McFarland Publishing company. You can also go

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Speaker 4: to Amazon, but my author ship is under Runnald W. Cox.

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Speaker 4: It's under Runald W. Cox as opposed to Ron Cocks.

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Speaker 4: You should still be able to find my book on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Perfect. Perfect, all right, thank you sincerely from the bottom

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Speaker 1: of my heart. I'm happy that we could take our

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Speaker 1: email conversations and bring them onto the podcast. Thank you again.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I really appreciate it. I really appreciate the incept

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Speaker 4: community that the Fish Stripes podcast is helping to create,

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Speaker 4: and I'm pretty excited about continuing to be part of

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Speaker 4: this community for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it definitely, it definitely comes from the heart. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go. You enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 1: your Sunday, and as always, go Fish, Go Fish.