1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitch Show on Iheartdio. 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: My guest today is Colin Wright. Colin is an. 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Evolutionary biologist and a fellow at Manhattan Institute. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: So nice to have you on, Colin. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: So are there many evolutionary biologists at think tanks or 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: are you the whole ball game? 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I might be one of the 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 3: one of, not the first ones that I know of. 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 3: So I started working at the Manhattan Institute three years ago, 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: two and a half. Actually I do know that my 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: friend Carol Hooven, who's also an evolutionary billotist, she just 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: got a job at the American Enterprise Institute. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: Okay, so there's two of you. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there's at least two of us. But yeah, 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 3: that's actually interesting. I don't think I don't think we 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: really played a role in think tanks until there is 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: no use for our services outside of a universities setting. Yeah, 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: that's actually that's interesting. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the crossover there? 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: What brought you to Manhattan Institute? How does an evolutionary 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: biologist end up at a think tank? 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 3: That's a good question. So we're both employed by our 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: respective think tanks because of our outspokenness writing and clarifying 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: the nature of I guess the sex and gender debate 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: is how I might express that more broadly. So I became, 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: I guess known for articles about why there's only two 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: sexes and humans and mammals and why you can't change sex. 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: And these might seem like esoteric topics and why do 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: we care about that? But it's really relevant for things 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: like pediatric gender care ideology surrounding that of you know, 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: telling kids you can be maybe born in the wrong 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: body and we can change your sex with hormones and 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: surgeries and those things, because it's literally what they believe 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: in is like the justification for these procede is that 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: sex is just like this array of different characteristics and 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: they can all be sort of modified and moved. So 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 3: we just try to provide clarifying, I guess, a way 39 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: to think about this issue and the biology, and just 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: to make sure people can actually have informed, you know, 41 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 3: ideas behind their decisions they're trying to make for their lives. 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: You know, Ultimately I support people willing to transition with 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: their adults, but I just don't want people to be 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: lied to about biology, and so it's making sure that 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: people just have all the information that's there because there's 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: a lot of distortions. 47 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: It's funny because you would think all evolutionary biologists would 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: be on that side. 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: But that's not the case, right. 50 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: It is not the case, which is really puzzling because 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I know a lot of the biologists. I 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: know what they're studying. I know that they study, at 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: least in my field when I studied animal behavior, and 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: so many of them study sex differences in behavior because 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 3: it's like the most most pronounced difference in behavior. You'll 56 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: usually see what the species is between males and females. 57 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: And that's how I had such a fundamental understanding of 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: what the universal and fundamental distinction between males and females were. 59 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: And I know all my colleagues understand that as well, 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: but through political reasons and social reasons, you know, they 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: just sort of either just don't say anything about it, 62 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: or they just they kind of ignore, or they just 63 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: go along with sort of the activist line. It's it's 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: really bizarre. I don't understand it. 65 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: Did you have pressure to go along with that activist line. 66 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: As well, oh, it was immense pressure, for sure. I 67 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: think I first started hearing about people making weird claims 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: about the biology of sex. I think I was on 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: Facebook probably in like twenty fifteen or sixteen, when people 70 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: were sending like there was a Nature article called sex Redefined, 71 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: and there's a subtitles like how the biology of male 72 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: and female or the sex binaries overleased simplistic, you know. 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: Before I heard about little bits in like the New 74 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: York Times and just on activist blogs, but that was 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: really put into you know, a Nature magazine. This is 76 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: like the biggest, most prestigious scientific journal, and so that's 77 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, that's kind of when I first started seeing 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: it and decided to push back against that stuff. And 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: there was I noticed that when I was speaking about 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: that issue, unlike any other topic in the sciences, you know, 81 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: if we're talking about I studied social spiders and insects. 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: If I were to make a claim about insects that 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: my colleagues thatt were wrong, it would just be like, oh, no, 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: have you read this paper, just see this if you 85 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: you know how about these ideas, you know, there would 86 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: be no social shaming involved. But when I say I 87 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 3: think there's only two sexes because of the things about 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 3: gam meets and it was just immediate, like condemnation, you're 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: a horrible person. So that to me, that was a 90 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: signal like there's something under theood here that like is 91 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: way different than any other issue. 92 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 93 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, did you always want to be a biologist? 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to be like a scientist from 95 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: a young age. I was really I thought I might 96 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: go you like the Astronomy round. I was like a 97 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: huge Carl Sagan fan all the Cosmos series. I was 98 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: just like obsessed with it. Yeah, but he had I 99 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: loved his episodes that he did on the biology and 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: evolution as well. But then I started reading a lot 101 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: of biologists and evolutionary biologists like Richard Dawkins and Stephen Gould. 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: It just totally captivated me. It was more like philosophical 103 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: and nature. I mean, astronomy can be philosophical too, with 104 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: like place in the universe and the stars, and but 105 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: like the evolutionary biology it does that I think even 106 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 3: more like where do we come from? Why do we 107 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: behave the way we do? But social interactions that's why 108 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: I mean I studied social behavior as well, and it 109 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 3: just you know, it doesn't give you definite answers to 110 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 3: questions about human nature, but it paints like a picture 111 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: and you can you can actually get an idea of 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: what these things came from, Why we behave the way 113 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: they do, why are we irrational? They have to be explained, 114 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: explained at least in part, if not in a whole thing, 115 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: through an evolutionary lens. If you want to just get 116 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: anywhere in the ballpark. 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: A BAC, what would have been a plan be if 118 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: you weren't a scientist. 119 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: I guess what I'm doing now is kind of planned, 120 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: because my initial goal was to just be a university professor, 121 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: a researcher. If I didn't get into the sciences at all, 122 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 3: you know, that's I don't know what i'd be doing, 123 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: because I was doing real estate. I had a real 124 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: estate license before. I was kind of somewhat aimless in 125 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. You know, I was kind 126 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: of scared of the sciences because I didn't think I 127 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: was good at math, and so that's kind of what 128 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: kept me from initially going into the sciences. I just 129 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: did really poorly on it in high school. But it 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: wasn't until I really liked biology that I just I 131 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 3: took math classes. I was motivated, and it's like, actually, 132 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: I was pretty good at math, and so that's kind 133 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: of what opened those doors. So I don't know, I mean, 134 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: getting into evolutionary biology. To me, it was almost like 135 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: a religious awakening of some sort. I just revitalized for 136 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: life and studying. 137 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: And I don't funny a religious awakening to push you 138 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: into sciences. 139 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, almost, I mean there's some irony there. 140 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. I felt so motivated and it lasted, I mean 141 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: all through undergrad all through five years of graduate school 142 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: and in my post doc. And I'm still fascinated by 143 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: the topic. I'm not as interested in studying wasps and 144 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: spiders and all that stuff anymore, but the biology, it's 145 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: just it's fascinates me to no end. It's infinitely interesting. 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: Do you think you'll ever go back to university professorship, You. 147 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: Know, I've thought a lot about that. Maybe not probably 148 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: not a full time professor. I could see me doing 149 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: like teaching a course at like a local university, maybe 150 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: online courses. I actually would really prefer in class teaching 151 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: that type of thing. If I could do an adjunct 152 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: for just a course or something, that's like, I think 153 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: what I lost the most of leaving academia was interacting 154 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: with students. I really wanted to have graduate students and 155 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: like mentor them and guide their research and have the 156 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: multiple projects going. And I loved interacting with my field 157 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: assistance when I was in academia, and you know, sometimes 158 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: we'd be like months in the field and in South 159 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: Africa and stuff, and it just was it was really well, 160 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: such a rewarding experience. Yeah, so I missed that. So 161 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: I think I'd like to maybe I'll reach out to 162 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: some of the local community colleges or even Vanderbilt in 163 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: here in Nashville, see if that might be possible for sure. 164 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel optimistic about like that you've won 165 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: this debate? 166 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Basically? 167 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: There there is still gender insanity, and there's a lot 168 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: of people still saying a lot of you know, dumb things, 169 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: but overall America has sort of pushed back on this 170 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: idea that you can have twenty genders or that you 171 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 1: can change your gender. Is it a win for you personally? 172 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: Do you feel like that. 173 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: There have been a lot of a lot of wins 174 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 3: for sure that I'm really happy about and proud to 175 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: have like contributed to as well. I hesitate to like 176 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: celebrate too early. 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: Sure, yes, hear you on that, Yeah. 178 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: Because I do see a lot of the same people 179 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: likes toe on the same line that they have been. 180 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: It really depends on, you know, future elections and how 181 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: toxic we can make this issue for one side of 182 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: the political aisle. I don't consider myself very partisan, but 183 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: I do want, like we need to assault the earth 184 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: on this topic, just so people realize it's such a 185 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: toxic thing. It's so untrue and it is so harmful 186 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: to both individuals and society that you need to pay 187 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: like a social price with some you know, we need 188 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: people need to be pained and laughed out of the 189 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: room by uttering these types of nonsense. 190 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have like the Gavin Newsom's who 191 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: are saying the right thing on it but not doing 192 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: anything about it. You know, as governor of you know, 193 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: the biggest state, He's not fixing that issue in his 194 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: state at all. Let's say we're gender and sports collide. 195 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: He'll say, oh, boys shouldn't biological, boys shouldn't play in girls' sports. 196 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: But then not actually do anything. Do you see movement 197 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: on that, Like, are are Are we heading in the 198 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: right direction? 199 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 3: We're we're heading in the right direction. But I think 200 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: you highlighted correctly that there's this still is this at 201 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: least we're getting lip service from some people, but it 202 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: hasn't really translated into a lot of actions on the 203 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 3: other side. Like it just depends on you know, are 204 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: the Gavin Nuisance of the world who've been on podcasts 205 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: saying that it's unfair for right males and compete female sports. 206 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: Is he actually gonna push for that in his actions 207 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: and policies And are they just saying that now because 208 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: they don't want to sound crazy. But once they get power, 209 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: they'll like, you know, their their left wing is just 210 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: gonna have full control and they're just going to capitulate 211 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: to everything. So yeah, I worry about that a. 212 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: Lot, even before they get power. 213 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: Just in the next election, like you know, they're they're 214 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: going to have to raise their hands and say that, 215 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, what they believe. So we'll see. I guess 216 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: on that, but I don't know. I am optimistic. I 217 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: guess That's what I wanted to get. 218 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: Through with you. 219 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: Is it feels like the win is here or very 220 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: very close. But I'm always worried about declaring victory too early, 221 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: just like you said, So I wanted to kind of 222 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: gauge if you're feeling good about the. 223 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: Moment I do. I feel really optimistic about it. So, 224 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: you know, we had Trump had an executive order about 225 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: the biology of sex, and then the White House actually 226 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: reached out to me because they needed a larger, more 227 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 3: like comprehensive definition of what sex was, what males and 228 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 3: females were. And so then I reached out because I 229 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: don't want to be the only person who's doing it, 230 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 3: because I want to make sure I'm getting, you know, 231 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: multiple perspectives, and so I reached out to some other biologists. 232 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: Carol Hooven's like one of these people, and they were 233 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: about five or six of us, and we crafted like 234 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: the most concrete definition of sex and we could possibly 235 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 3: have and that's that's currently you know, the law of 236 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: the land, and so that would have been incomprehensible under 237 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: you know, previous administrations, and I just hope it remains. 238 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy how that couldn't be possible just a 239 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: few years ago, and yet that's you know, a big, 240 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: big change and a big move for the country. 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're making good legal changes. It just 242 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: needs to stick. There needs to be a cultural change 243 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 3: behind it so people actually value it and understand why 244 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 3: it's important, so it doesn't just get torn out immediately 245 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: as soon as you know, a different president comes in 246 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 3: and issues one hundred executive orders. It's overturning all the 247 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: other ones that Trump did. It's just and it could 248 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: so it's might think we have all this momentum in going, 249 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: but you know, a lot of it has been executive orders, 250 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: and so what can be you know, signed in to logy, 251 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: signed out of it in a in a pen stroke, 252 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: and we could just be set back. 253 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the opinion of the country. I feel like 254 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: a regular Americans has changed. They know more about the 255 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: issue than they've ever known before. You know, Kamala Harris 256 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: wanting to give tex change sex changes to prisoners. 257 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: I would say that ad won the election for Trump. 258 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: I think Americans get it now in a way that 259 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: they didn't before. I mean, even I could think about myself, 260 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know ten to fifteen years ago. 261 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: I was definitely ready on Twitter at the time, but 262 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: I remember seeing a headline like first man has a baby, 263 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, wait what And then you read 264 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: the article and it's like, that's not a man, you know, 265 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: but even somebody who was super into the online universe, 266 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: I was fooled by the headline. And I think Americans 267 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: are no longer getting fooled like that. 268 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all the converts are definitely going in 269 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: one direction. So I think that's something because once you 270 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of people who just haven't 271 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 3: looked into the sex and gender issue, but once they do, like, 272 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: they can't look away, and they all go in the 273 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: direction of this is insane and we need to stop 274 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: this immediately. So it's just a matter of time of 275 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: just awakening more of those people who are like on 276 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: the fence who haven't been introduced to the issue. So 277 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: that's just a slowly ratcheting of support that the other side. 278 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 3: They're not growing in their numbers, at least, I'm pretty 279 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: positive they're not. 280 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 4: More from Colin Wright coming up. But first history shows 281 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: that every market eventually falls, every currency collapses, and today 282 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: the US dollar is hanging by a thread, trillions in 283 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: national debt, record high markets defying gravity, but stocks can't 284 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: go up forever. Meanwhile, your groceries, housing, and transportation costs 285 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: are all going up, and your dollar it's buying less 286 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: every single day. 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Before making 300 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: investment decisions, you should carefully consider and review all risks involved. 301 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: The Karrol Markowitz Show continues right after this. 302 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: What are you most proud of in your life? 303 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: It's related to this issue, and I would say it's 304 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: actually just speaking up about it. I had like such 305 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: I remember it was like twenty sixteen. This is when 306 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: I was in graduate school. I knew I wanted to 307 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: be a professor, and I just I was seeing the 308 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: social taboo like around this topic. Yeah, and I wrote 309 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: like an essay, but I didn't publish it anywhere. I 310 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 3: had it, Like for two years. I just sat on 311 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: this thing, and you know, I thought I was going 312 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: crazy because like what I was seeing around me as 313 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: a biologist, I had, you know, these principles of like 314 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: speaking the truth, but I felt like I couldn't say anything. 315 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: I Fortunately, my advisors and my closest mentors were all 316 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: like supportive of of me, and like they agreed with me, 317 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, it's all crazy. 318 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 319 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: And when I told him I wanted to publish like 320 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: an article about it, it was they just told me 321 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: I shouldn't. I shouldn't do it. You know. If I did, 322 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: I shouldn't put my name on it. And I seriously 323 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: asked myself, what would Christopher Hitchens do? That's literally what 324 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: I asked myself. Yeah, And it's just I know that 325 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: like all my heroes and my intellectual heroes, like they 326 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: would just think I'm this pathetic thing. If I just 327 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: didn't come with it, and so I ended up publishing 328 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: it with my name on it, and you know, it's 329 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 3: it's been really great ever since then. I mean I 330 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: did lose my academic career. 331 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: Other than that, you know, yeah, there. 332 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: Was the career suicide and then, but just sticking to 333 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: my principles on this. 334 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: Issue, you should be very proud of that. 335 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: That's I think so few people take that chance, and 336 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: so many people do just cover their asses and not 337 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: speak out on what they think, you know, is truth. 338 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we saw during the pandemic, I 339 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: saw people not speak out on opening schools even though 340 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: their own kids were affected. It just it's very hard 341 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: to tell the truth when the tide is against you. 342 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: And so I'm glad you're proud of that, because that 343 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: is something to really be proud of. 344 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was. It was a major, I mean, 345 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 3: the biggest shift in my life ever. I almost lost 346 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: almost every one of my close friends at the time, 347 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 3: maybe maybe twenty percent of them I kept. Yeah, it 348 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 3: was just this major. I felt incredibly isolated. I had 349 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: like no friends. I was getting ostracized from my career. 350 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: I had just spent twelve years building I had no 351 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: idea what the future was going to hold. I thought 352 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 3: about becoming I was going to be maybe a fitness 353 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: in online online fitness and nutrition coach. I just needed 354 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: something that I couldn't get canceled from. Was my goal. 355 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: Like I'm willing to like not even be a biologist 356 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: or you know, use my PhD as long as I 357 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: just have like that that type of freedom. Unfortunately, I 358 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: worked out, I mean Claire at Quilette and the magazine 359 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: I published my article that you know, sort of made 360 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: me on the map in this space. I ended up 361 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: working for them, and then I could still maintain you know, 362 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: my voice, and then that just it kept snowballing. And 363 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 3: so now I'm working at the Manhattan Institute and forming 364 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: the White House on the definitions of you know, so 365 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: it's ye crazy. 366 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: Did any of the friends come back? 367 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: No? Yeah, they still haven't. No, they're in. They're in 368 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: pretty deep. Yeah, It's it's really interesting, I tell people sometimes, 369 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 3: you know, I studied social behavior for my PhD, and 370 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: like I learned more about social behavior in the last 371 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: five years. Yeah, by speaking the truth and like looking 372 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 3: at how people are trying to cancel me in collective 373 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: movements and I learned more way about social behavior than 374 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 3: I did in the thousands of papers I read on 375 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: on you know, the evolutionary psychology and evolutionary ecology of behavior, 376 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: for sure, Like I feel it deeply. Now. 377 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to experience that, but you know, 378 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: it's they're on the wrong side of history. I know 379 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: that that's a trite breeze, but it's true. Here give 380 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: us a five year out prediction, and it could be 381 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: about anything, anything at all, country, world, anything. 382 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: So I mean, because for me personally, I'm planning on 383 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: starting a family soon, so I'm hoping that I'll have 384 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: toddlers or something five years ago. That would be a 385 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 3: very good So I hope, I hope that is true. 386 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: I hope that for you. 387 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, for the world, it's tough. I mean, I'm not 388 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 3: much of a futurist, I don't think, but I do 389 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: think this is going to be one of those answers 390 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: that a lot of people give. Probably, I do think 391 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: people aren't really giving AI the attention it deserves, especially 392 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: for like the laptop class, like people like me. I 393 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 3: just just how much it's grown in the last how 394 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: long has it been around three years or something like 395 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: that it's just going to be it's just going to 396 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: dominate everything. It's it's going to write everything, every all 397 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: content is going to be produced by by AI. It's 398 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: going to just change all every type of like text publishing, 399 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: op eds. I don't know how people are going to 400 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 3: get become well known and the next generation as being 401 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 3: writers and things like that. Maybe some of us who 402 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 3: are maybe will be grandfathered in who have sort of 403 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: made I'm. 404 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: Ready to retire, don't worry about me. 405 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 406 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's just going to be it's going to 407 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: totally change everything. Like I think there's a lot of 408 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: the laptop class is going to be out of out 409 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: of work if they're not trying to find ways to 410 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: have AI for their benefit. To stay ahead of it. 411 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: We kind of touched on this other thing, but for 412 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: gender ideology, like I think it's I think it's you know, 413 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: in abeyance right now. It's it's I think we're going 414 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: to get more wins on the the sports thing and 415 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: maybe the pediatric gender for MA care thing, But it's 416 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: it's always going to be there. I mean, it's there's 417 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: just kind of like this cult like adherence to it, 418 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: and it's not going to go away, so it'll still 419 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 3: be a relevant issue in politics, but I think hopefully 420 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: it can be just like quarantined enough where we can 421 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: actually like have adult conversations and and make policies without 422 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: having to like ask them what they think about. 423 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: That would be nice. Yeah. 424 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, in the wake of Charlie kirk assassination, 425 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: I do think there's going to be a bolder Christianity 426 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: in politics in the next five years. So yeah, of 427 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: a revival type movement. So I think we'll see how 428 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: that plays out. You know, he could go in positive directions, 429 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: it could go in bad directions, depending on who. There's 430 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: people at the top of uying to pull out in 431 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 3: two different directions, right, How that has to play out. Yeah, 432 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: there's there's a lot going on and all that's going 433 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: to mix together and in the next five years, and 434 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: so it's hard to know how any of it's going 435 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: to shake out in the end. 436 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: But all right, you'll come on in like five years 437 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: and let us know. We're going to take a quick 438 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show. 439 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 440 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: I've really really enjoyed this conversation. Colin is an amazing 441 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: follow on X. His at is swipe right with a W. 442 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: He's really fantastic and I highly recommend you go follow 443 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: him and here with your best tip for my listeners 444 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives. 445 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: I mean two main things, at least I can say 446 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: worked for me. The first is physical health to some degree, 447 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: because I used to be considerably overweight, and then I 448 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: lost around sixty five pounds probably in the course of 449 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 3: like a year and a half, and that dramatically changed 450 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: just how I my mental health. It changed my ability 451 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 3: to like to think clearly and think about the future 452 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: and all these things. It dramatically improved my life, not 453 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: just because I was you know, I thought myself was 454 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 3: more attractive or you know, was able to do physical things. Yeah, 455 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: it definitely it helps your mental health so much. And 456 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: then something else, like kind of related to everything we've 457 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 3: been saying, is I just I think the guiding principle 458 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: I've had in my life is to tell the truth 459 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: and or at least try to understand what the truth 460 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 3: is and tell it to the best of your ability. 461 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: You can never know what you're saying is true, for sure, 462 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: but at least be open to other people challenging your 463 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: views and you know you need to really just use 464 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: truth as your your load star in life. I think 465 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: because one thing that has improved my life, and it 466 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 3: made it worse at first, as I mentioned how I 467 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: lost like eighty percent of all my friends. Yeah, but 468 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: one I think the silver lining in all of this 469 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: and telling the truth and speaking up and being sort 470 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: of bold in the space is one you find out 471 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: who your friends truly. 472 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: Are, which is always important. 473 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 3: Which is like, I can't tell people how important that 474 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: is because most people go through life just thinking they 475 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 3: know who their friends are. But I'm telling you right now, 476 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: if you haven't said anything, if you're keeping opinions to 477 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: yourself that you think might be socially toxic or volatile, 478 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: probably over half of your friends, if not the majority, 479 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: are not actually your friends. And that's just a crazy 480 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: revelation to have. And so you not only know who 481 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: your friends are and who will actually stick by you 482 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: through anything, and you also attract more of those types 483 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: of people in your life who will like you for 484 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 3: you nuts is because they like your opinions, they have 485 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: yeah to have you as a social accessory of for 486 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 3: their opinions. That is probably the most profound difference in 487 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 3: my life is just my old friends, the ones who 488 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: did survive through that filter, you know, with me me 489 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: speaking up, probably the best ones right there. I'm so 490 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: close to them, it's insane. My family, of course, has 491 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: always been so supportive, so like they're they're they're amazing. 492 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 3: And then the new friends I've made are all just 493 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: like the most top notch people I can ever imagine, 494 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: and it's it's so rewarding to my life and my 495 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 3: social interactions. I can't even love that. 496 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: I love it. 497 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: Be honest with who you are and you'll have the 498 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: best people around you. Thank you so much. He is 499 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: Colin Wright. Check them out at swipe right on X. 500 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Colin. 501 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: Thanks, this was a lot of fun.