Speaker 1: M My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a
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Speaker 1: Well man, this is this is a monumental Beargreas render
Speaker 1: for me right here. I got lots of people here
Speaker 1: that uh, usually we have a group that's all the same,
Speaker 1: but during hunting season I usually do something a little different.
Speaker 1: This is this is one of those different ones, all right.
Speaker 1: So the only regular is Gary Believer knucom. Does anybody
Speaker 1: here know why he's his nickname is a believer? Absolutely
Speaker 1: tell him? Tell him Scott. He believes in the black Panther. Hey,
Speaker 1: Steve meat Eater made a hat that's like a best
Speaker 1: selling hat, Like people wear this hat all over the
Speaker 1: country and it says believer and it has a black
Speaker 1: panther walking across the log with a moon behind it
Speaker 1: and it and it says on the Mediator website inspired
Speaker 1: by Gary knwcom. Yeah, so good to see you. Then,
Speaker 1: so everybody else. Every one of you have been on
Speaker 1: the Bargeras podcast before, but never on a render. I
Speaker 1: don't think any of you ever been on a render.
Speaker 1: So to my left, my good buddy, Scott Brown. I
Speaker 1: talked about you all the time, Scott, do you hear
Speaker 1: do you hear murmurs of it? Every once in a while, Yeah,
Speaker 1: every once in a while. Now you mentioned me, So Scott,
Speaker 1: you're just a couple of years older than me. We
Speaker 1: didn't really know each other that well in high school.
Speaker 1: Kind of. I knew of you. The first time that
Speaker 1: I consciously remember Scott meeting Scott was outside the walmart
Speaker 1: and we met up just like outside the walmart. It
Speaker 1: was dark, and you said, Clay, I'm hunting the buck
Speaker 1: that if I kill it, everybody's gonna know about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't take much of a deer back then, and
Speaker 1: like a hundred and fifty six inch buck on public
Speaker 1: land with your both and everybody knew about it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what this man says he does, but no,
Speaker 1: Scott and I I Scott went to the University of
Speaker 1: Arkansas in Fayetteville. I moved to Fayetteville when you were
Speaker 1: like a senior in college, and so I was whatever
Speaker 1: you are when you start freshman, I guess. And we
Speaker 1: worked together at Walmart and man, Andy, that's where I've
Speaker 1: felt like I got to know you because me and
Speaker 1: Scott talked NonStop about deer hunting, about black panther just
Speaker 1: jumped in my lap, and um no, I learned a
Speaker 1: ton about deer hunting from Scott Brown, no doubt. Good
Speaker 1: to have you, Scott. You were on the first Bargrease
Speaker 1: podcast too, was telling the story about the guy walking
Speaker 1: in with a Bobcat picture, thinking it was a mountain lion. Think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was perfect. That was two year left is my
Speaker 1: long time like since like grade school? Buddy, Randy long
Speaker 1: legged step good to be here. Yeah, man, So Randy's
Speaker 1: claimed to fame in the Bargrease world is that uh
Speaker 1: he told the story of the buck falling in the
Speaker 1: mind chef. Just think, Randy, if that hadn't happened to you,
Speaker 1: where would you be in life? Man? You know I
Speaker 1: can butterfly effect. Take that back to you. Clay. I
Speaker 1: got my first job in high school because you quit
Speaker 1: and I took your job. Specifically, I went in applied
Speaker 1: and said, what are we talking I don't even I'm lost.
Speaker 1: I guess I quit and didn't give them pushing carts,
Speaker 1: and you told me at school, hey, I'm quitting that job.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I think I want that job.
Speaker 1: So I went apply and said, hey, I heard Clay's quitting.
Speaker 1: I want this job, and they gave it to me,
Speaker 1: and I still worked there twenty five years later. So
Speaker 1: if it weren't for you, maybe none of that happens,
Speaker 1: and that deer didn't fall in my chap. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I I didn't realize that you did that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: pushed carts and that's yeah. I had two stints at Walmart.
Speaker 1: I guess everybody in Arkansas does you. Guys just stuck
Speaker 1: with it. Scott works at Walmart. Randy works at Walmart. Absolutely, man,
Speaker 1: I was thinking. Randy and I, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: went to Boys State together, and if you know what
Speaker 1: Boys State is, I don't know if that's good or bad.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm proud of that or not
Speaker 1: proud of that. But me and Randy and room together
Speaker 1: there too, which is strange because usually they try to
Speaker 1: pair you up some I guess they figured we couldn't
Speaker 1: be paired with anybody else. I guess not good to
Speaker 1: see you, Randy. Randy's left skipping over dad, Steve, Eve Phillips, Steve.
Speaker 1: As long as I remember being alive, I remember Steve
Speaker 1: Phillips being around somewhere. We went to church with the
Speaker 1: Phillips and I went to school with your kids. You
Speaker 1: were on the second Bear Grease podcast mouth calling. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: give us your best mouth call, whether it's ol or crow?
Speaker 1: Can you do it on the spot. There you go,
Speaker 1: that's good. I want to hear about your hogg at
Speaker 1: some point. Let me let me introduce uh oh yeah,
Speaker 1: get this guy to get this guy to my left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Steve's left is Andy Brown and Andy Man. I
Speaker 1: told you this when you were on the podcast the
Speaker 1: other day. You're your world famous man after the Louis
Speaker 1: Dell and Charlie Edwards. Who would have thought that no
Speaker 1: one Louis Dell and Charlie would get you so much
Speaker 1: credit in this world? Not surprising, not surprising at all.
Speaker 1: So Andy is Scott's dad. This is an eclectic group
Speaker 1: of hunters. And then also not in the not with
Speaker 1: a headset on It's koy house. Steve Phillips grandson and
Speaker 1: I want to talk to koy after a while too.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that hog. Well, you know, it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with my grandson. Here coy House,
Speaker 1: you know where I live, up behind the Old Boy
Speaker 1: Bowling Alley. I found some hog sign in there the
Speaker 1: other day, and so coy decided to put one of
Speaker 1: the spike cameras up. And so he did, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we're at Friday night ball game and
Speaker 1: here comes a big old board at eight forty five
Speaker 1: in there, and he said he shows them to the picture,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, we're gonna get a chance to
Speaker 1: shoot that thing. So we don't get another picture of
Speaker 1: that until this morning. And we're laying there sleep and
Speaker 1: his grandma's got to go to work at seven o'clock.
Speaker 1: Six o'clock, the door knocks and he opens the door
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, Paula, that hogs up her right now.
Speaker 1: And I said, Coyds, go back to bed, we'll get
Speaker 1: him another morning. Let us sleep. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: get up, and he just shut the door and walked out,
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, he's going back to bed in
Speaker 1: just a minute. He opens my door and he shoves
Speaker 1: his lab pup in my room. He said, what's the dog?
Speaker 1: And so he left and I told you his grandma said,
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill that hole. I said, the wind's gonna
Speaker 1: blow down there and he's gonna smell him and run off.
Speaker 1: In about ten minutes, I heard I heard a shot
Speaker 1: and she said, you hear that and I said, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: my cell phone goes off and he says the smoked him.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, come on back to us to
Speaker 1: drink some coffee, and you know, let him get daylight.
Speaker 1: He eat, he's flashlight on him. You know, private lags
Speaker 1: anywhere anytime anything goes. So we go up there and
Speaker 1: he said, he run off in the thicket down below.
Speaker 1: I heard him crash. Well, we get in the side
Speaker 1: beside and right up on top the hill and I've
Speaker 1: bushhuged a big area around there, you know, for deer,
Speaker 1: got deer stands and everything, and he's laying dead right
Speaker 1: out in the middle of open So I just keep
Speaker 1: the tractor and go out there and hook on to
Speaker 1: him and raise him up and bring him back to
Speaker 1: the house about two hundred and fifty then and sending
Speaker 1: five pound. Do you have some pretty good teeth? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I had some good, good touch on him. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: beout half as big as that when you're killing hard,
Speaker 1: about half as big as that one. I got hired
Speaker 1: that a total Indian and Tony Hooper they were there.
Speaker 1: I called him on the radio when I shot that hog.
Speaker 1: Guys walking and I jumped him out of his bed
Speaker 1: and I shot him. I called him on the radio.
Speaker 1: They said, was at chat shot and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've killed a little ole hog. I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need Joll's help to help me drag him out. Well
Speaker 1: here they come over there and we walked off down
Speaker 1: to the woods and I was kind of back when
Speaker 1: they got up there in about fifty yards where they said,
Speaker 1: little hog nothing. We barely drug him up in the
Speaker 1: back of the truck. He probably was five hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: We took that thing camp hung it, dude up. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a big and Tony out there skintting that hog.
Speaker 1: And I'm you, asked the boys. I'm a little weak stomach.
Speaker 1: I mean I can, I can look at it, but
Speaker 1: if but if I if I smell it, I'm gone.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't matter, it don't matter. It don't
Speaker 1: matter if it's a deer or hog. There's nothing worse
Speaker 1: than a gut shot deer in my opinion, with a
Speaker 1: full of acrons. I mean, it's awful. But anyway, we
Speaker 1: think that dude that and they're skinning that thing, and
Speaker 1: that dude he's got a little old kind of a
Speaker 1: growth pocket on it. Where was that? It's only his neck,
Speaker 1: it's on his neck. We pulled that armor plate down,
Speaker 1: Old Tony ritsch up and he he kept that thing.
Speaker 1: When it did it is squirted stuff all up in
Speaker 1: his mouth, up on his cheek. It looked like it
Speaker 1: looked like dirt, dauber mud all up through there. I
Speaker 1: had me a complete runaway out there. I mean, oh stink,
Speaker 1: you can't even believe i'bout that thing. But that was
Speaker 1: a you had to head mounted on that dude. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in my closet. I had him mounting. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: big hog, you know, and we're trying to get in.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be bringing a paper towel to wipe
Speaker 1: Tony's face, and we're telling don't open your mouth, and
Speaker 1: he's running backwards, you know, about to fall down, trying
Speaker 1: to throw up. And finally we get that in. No,
Speaker 1: Tony said, he could smell that on his upper lip
Speaker 1: for about a week. Is awful, man, There's been some
Speaker 1: pretty good hog encounters. You shot one time five hogs
Speaker 1: in the same day. Tell that story. Well, Clay was
Speaker 1: in uh high school and I found a bunch of hawks.
Speaker 1: I put Clay on the only deer I could find
Speaker 1: in the area where we hunt. So I went into
Speaker 1: an area that I call hog bottom. I just reached.
Speaker 1: I knew the area, but this first time hoggs had
Speaker 1: been in it, and uh, I knew there's deer, I
Speaker 1: knew there were hawks, and so as I was going in,
Speaker 1: there's a cane brake all the way across this bottom,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, little pigs started coming out,
Speaker 1: you know, hundred pounders, and I started wrack whack. So
Speaker 1: I had five or six eras. Every time I'd shoot
Speaker 1: one at squill and they would run across the creek
Speaker 1: up on a little rise on a flat. So all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, about the third hog, fourth hog, I
Speaker 1: hear a roar, a sound. You know I talked about
Speaker 1: that clicking buck. Well, I'm telling you this is a
Speaker 1: sound that I think you've gotta be a real serious
Speaker 1: hog hunter to have ever heard it. It was like
Speaker 1: a lion in Africa. I mean, it was a roller
Speaker 1: and you've probably heard it had in your sky. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this sucker is coming off the mountain and he didn't
Speaker 1: like it that I'm shooting his little pigs. He's hearing,
Speaker 1: he's he squealing and running off, and he's off out
Speaker 1: of here, you know, just inside of here and something.
Speaker 1: So two three days later I talked to two big
Speaker 1: hog hunters, one from Oklahoma, one from Arkansas, and I said,
Speaker 1: what was that hog done? He said, he's got two
Speaker 1: purposes to breed and protect, and he was coming to
Speaker 1: get you. You know, he was coming off that mountain
Speaker 1: to get you. So I got a tree behind me
Speaker 1: about this big that I see I can climb. I'm
Speaker 1: right there a creek, you know, about ten ft wide
Speaker 1: but real shallow, and then up a bank. So he
Speaker 1: comes down and he crosses that creek, and when he
Speaker 1: crosses that creek, he fills up the whole creek. I mean,
Speaker 1: this sucker looked like a freight train. And so he
Speaker 1: jumps up and gets on one of these hog trails
Speaker 1: and he comes right straight to me on a hog trail,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there at full draw, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: if he comes to the edge of the creek, which
Speaker 1: was ten ft away, you know, I'm shooting. Well, he comes,
Speaker 1: and he's coming right to me. He probably doesn't he
Speaker 1: hadn't seen me. You know, they're pretty they're pretty blind.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't say, but I can see him
Speaker 1: and that's all I needed. So when he got to
Speaker 1: the edge of the creek, I just touched off my
Speaker 1: release and hit him right square in the head. You
Speaker 1: couldn't shoot him anywhere else. His head was Yeah, his
Speaker 1: head was so big you couldn't see it looked like
Speaker 1: legs with a head. And uh So I shot him
Speaker 1: in my era as a luminum era, and it broke
Speaker 1: and I could see it spinning off and I saw
Speaker 1: him turn anyway. I had four or five dead pigs
Speaker 1: over here in this guy that didn't hurt him. I mean,
Speaker 1: for years, I thought, one day, I'm gonna kill a
Speaker 1: hog down there that's got a big wasp broad head
Speaker 1: stuck in between forehead. But we never did. But but
Speaker 1: the next week I took Clay in there, and that's
Speaker 1: a story I probably told on this where he went
Speaker 1: in and and killed a pig, a hog and then
Speaker 1: all the little bitty pigs came in, and he had
Speaker 1: like thirty thirty little pigs, twenty little pigs around. I
Speaker 1: shot a I was sixteen. No, I wasn't sixteen. I
Speaker 1: was fifteen because I couldn't drive yet. And I walked
Speaker 1: into hog bottom just where he had had all his pigs.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't been in there ten minutes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I could know more. Here the gravel popping of
Speaker 1: Dad leaving me there, and I see a pig coming,
Speaker 1: just trotting down the bottom, and the first one gets past. Man,
Speaker 1: it's full grown hog. And I'm just sitting there, going,
Speaker 1: holy cow, I just saw hog. And I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: hogs before because the first time I encountered wild hogs.
Speaker 1: And not two minutes later, here comes another one coming
Speaker 1: down the trail alone, black adult hog, and I just
Speaker 1: draw back and it gets out there. Take a good shot,
Speaker 1: just ten ring this hog. Dad's been gone ten minutes
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's probably four in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: getting dark at seven thirty, and so the hog runs
Speaker 1: off well directly a minute after that pig comes by.
Speaker 1: Here comes twenty six. I'm not kidding, I counted every
Speaker 1: one of them. They were, they were shots. They were
Speaker 1: all different sizes, they were like sixty pounders down to
Speaker 1: little bitty just hardly weaned piglets. And they just just
Speaker 1: paraded by me, following the two pigs I've just seen.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I wasn't used to the wild
Speaker 1: hog world back then, and I just it was kind
Speaker 1: of like deer hunting. I felt like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I consciously thought about regulations, but now
Speaker 1: I would have just kept slinging arrows at him, and
Speaker 1: that's what he had done. But for some reason, I
Speaker 1: didn't shoot any more hogs so I could have anyway.
Speaker 1: They all run off in thirty minutes passes, and I
Speaker 1: decided I'm gonna trail this hog that I've shot. And
Speaker 1: I started trailing this hog, and I blood trailer I
Speaker 1: don't know a hundred yards, and all of those shots
Speaker 1: were gathered up around my dead hog. It was a
Speaker 1: big south and uh, and they wouldn't leave her. And
Speaker 1: finally I got tired of watching them, and I crawled
Speaker 1: up on my hands and knees to see how close
Speaker 1: I could get to them, grunting. I was grunting like
Speaker 1: a pig and I'm serious. I got within five yards
Speaker 1: of the whole mass of them, and then why I
Speaker 1: scared him off and they all scattered, But they were
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they weren't pretty fresh turned out.
Speaker 1: Back in those days people were turning hogs, and now
Speaker 1: they were black and wild as they could be. But
Speaker 1: you know, guys were catching. That was back when guys
Speaker 1: were catching hogs wherever and bringing them and turning them loose.
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, that was my hog story right after
Speaker 1: that until about the two you killed it. Only like Scott,
Speaker 1: Scott and Tim come in when we've had a boat
Speaker 1: camp for what twenty years probably they show up one
Speaker 1: even Captain. They've got a whole pickup bed full the
Speaker 1: hogs in a big eight point buck deer that covered it,
Speaker 1: filled the whole bed of the truck up. But telling
Speaker 1: that story about those two big hogs, Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: of the most memorable hunts I've ever been on. So
Speaker 1: Tim Clark, he you know, he's all he's friends with
Speaker 1: all of us here. We all know Tim. And we
Speaker 1: were at bow camp one week and Tim said, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta go find some deer. We we just hadn't
Speaker 1: found what we were looking for all week long. And um,
Speaker 1: so we let out and we go over to a
Speaker 1: couple of different ridges and we're walking on this first
Speaker 1: ridge and uh, we actually run into we actually run
Speaker 1: into a few hogs that day on the side of
Speaker 1: a just kind of a hickory cedar thicket ridge. But
Speaker 1: we weren't hog hunting. We're trying to find some buck sign.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's Halloween week. We're thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: we're looking for big bucks sign. And we kind of
Speaker 1: started back kind of well, it's hard to explain it.
Speaker 1: We're kind of headed back south where we had originally
Speaker 1: started and pulled in on a little ridge or or
Speaker 1: an old dim logging road kind of you can still
Speaker 1: make remnants of this old logging road outside this ridge.
Speaker 1: And when you when we found it, there was probably
Speaker 1: every you know, fifty yards downe that road was a
Speaker 1: fresh scrape. Just I mean, it's just what kind of
Speaker 1: what we were looking for. And we found some white
Speaker 1: oak acres that were in there, and there wasn't white
Speaker 1: oaka acres just everywhere that year, and so you could
Speaker 1: tell the deer we're really in this area. Pretty strong
Speaker 1: good buck sign and all that. And when we saw that,
Speaker 1: we thought, don't wonder if the ridge on south of
Speaker 1: here is like this one. I wonder if it made
Speaker 1: white oak acre. And so we we kind of went
Speaker 1: over the top of the ridge, cross the holler, pull
Speaker 1: back up and on the next ridge over there, and
Speaker 1: walked in on the side uh of just a kind
Speaker 1: of a mixture between white oak and red oaks on
Speaker 1: the side of this shridge. Pulled it on the side
Speaker 1: of that, and there's just acrons everywhere on the side
Speaker 1: of the ridge. I mean, we just you know what
Speaker 1: it's like, and you just kind of just walk into
Speaker 1: a place and you know instantly when you walked in,
Speaker 1: this is a spot. And it wasn't just white oaks's
Speaker 1: red oaks. The leaves were just turned over and there
Speaker 1: where the deer had been, there was fresh buck sign. Uh,
Speaker 1: just everything that you need, the recipe, all the ingredients
Speaker 1: were there. So you could tell there was some hog
Speaker 1: sign in there too, and uh, but we were more
Speaker 1: concerned about the buck sign, you know. And so we
Speaker 1: kind of marked a couple of trees and we decided
Speaker 1: that we'd give it a couple of days the air
Speaker 1: out because we've been stomping around and they're pretty good.
Speaker 1: And I'm weird about that, Like, if I'm in a
Speaker 1: place like, I want to leave it alone for a
Speaker 1: day or two kind of let things calm back down
Speaker 1: and go back in fresh. And so a couple of
Speaker 1: days later we went back in there, and the way
Speaker 1: it was, Tim dropped me off on the ridge I
Speaker 1: was on, and then he went on over and pulled
Speaker 1: up over the top of the ridge to where he
Speaker 1: was on. So anyway, I get and we got this
Speaker 1: is back. Well, we had we had cell phones. I'm
Speaker 1: fairly positive, but you know, the cell service just was
Speaker 1: not this thing over there. And so we had these
Speaker 1: two way radios, and so I told Tim, I said,
Speaker 1: and let's hunt until eleven or twelve o'clock. I said,
Speaker 1: if you shoot something, we were close enough in proximity
Speaker 1: that if he owed me, I could hear him out
Speaker 1: and I could do the same and he'd hear me.
Speaker 1: I said, if I shoot something, my ala, that'll be
Speaker 1: the signal. Turn the radio on, and you do the same.
Speaker 1: He says, all that sounds like a plan. So anyway,
Speaker 1: I climb up the tree and set set there. That
Speaker 1: morning had been pretty quiet. It's probably nine o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, hadn't hadn't seen other than squirrels, I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen anything. And anyway, about nine o'clock I get the
Speaker 1: hearing something over the top of the ridge. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of over on the north break of this ridge where
Speaker 1: I can hear something over the south break of the ridge,
Speaker 1: just making some noise over there. And I didn't know
Speaker 1: for sure what it was, and I just kept tuned
Speaker 1: in there, and just a little bit I looked at
Speaker 1: at the top of the ridge crested just I'm talking
Speaker 1: Volkswagen of a hall a monster. I mean, this thing
Speaker 1: walks over top the ridge. I can't believe it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my goodness, that's the that's the biggest hog I've ever
Speaker 1: laid eyes on, I mean a monster. And his fate
Speaker 1: would have it. He just comes right over the top
Speaker 1: of the ridge, walks right down there, right into the
Speaker 1: game trail that I'm set up on, turns west and
Speaker 1: here he comes, and it's twenty two yards out there,
Speaker 1: straight in front of me to this game trail, and
Speaker 1: I thought, man, if he gets to that game trail,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shoot him right there. And I really,
Speaker 1: again I premised this by saying I wasn't there on
Speaker 1: a hog gun, you know. I'm really sitting on some
Speaker 1: smoking hot Bucks shign, you know, and so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to stay disciplined here. But this hog is the biggest
Speaker 1: one I've ever seen in my life, you know. So
Speaker 1: he left with no choice. Yeah, So he's coming down
Speaker 1: this trail and he walks out there at twenty two
Speaker 1: yards and I didn't even have to stop him. He
Speaker 1: just stopped on his own one like it was meant
Speaker 1: to be. And I'm at full draw by then, and
Speaker 1: I just bury one up behind the shoulder. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just buries up to the fletching. He lets out
Speaker 1: a little squill and just takes off, kind of running
Speaker 1: back up the ridge, kind of going south west of me,
Speaker 1: and he takes about he runs about forty yards and
Speaker 1: just crashes over kicks about three times, and it's over
Speaker 1: and I can see him, you know, I'm I can
Speaker 1: see him on the ground from my tree, you know.
Speaker 1: And man, I'm pumped up. I've never killed one that big,
Speaker 1: you know. Normally what she kills them eighty to d
Speaker 1: and twenty pounders, you know, And I mean I was
Speaker 1: just pumped. So I get another arrow knocked up my
Speaker 1: hang a bow up. I turn around there and I
Speaker 1: give it the whoa, you know. And in just a minute,
Speaker 1: I turned my radio on and just minute Tim comes
Speaker 1: on the radio and he says, how about it, Scott,
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, you got me. He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just go into this big as tim Son.
Speaker 1: I just shot the biggest hog that ever lived down here.
Speaker 1: He's like, are you serious. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you just can't believe how big this hog is. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: that's awesome, he said, Man, I just had a lone
Speaker 1: dough walk by me. And I said, well, man, I'll
Speaker 1: get off here. I said, get ready, there'll be a
Speaker 1: buck along if she's by herself, you know. So I
Speaker 1: turn off my radio and I just took it back
Speaker 1: my backpack and I just settled in. I just sat
Speaker 1: up there. I'm you know, I'm gonna sit till eleven.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go ahead and set the morning, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, about thirty minutes go by, and the only
Speaker 1: way I know how to explain it is to the
Speaker 1: east of me, it sounded like wind coming over the ridge,
Speaker 1: just this roar of noise, like leaves and wind like
Speaker 1: it was just crazy, just a roar coming, And I thought,
Speaker 1: what in the world is going on? And I got
Speaker 1: the watching out there east in the woods became alive
Speaker 1: with hall there was there was like a tidal wave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was twenty hogs at least in a group, and
Speaker 1: they're all just scouring the side of this ridge for
Speaker 1: these acres, and they're all just in the feeding mode
Speaker 1: and they're just making more noise than you can imagine.
Speaker 1: So I got to look at those and I thought
Speaker 1: shooting that first dog was pretty fun, being funner to
Speaker 1: shoot another one, you know. So I look out there
Speaker 1: and I pick one out. There's a little light gray
Speaker 1: hog and I've always described it. He was almost like
Speaker 1: a reverse Havelna. Where I have Alena is black with
Speaker 1: a white stripe. This one was like a really light
Speaker 1: gray with a black stripe, almost the same way I
Speaker 1: have Elena would be strike that. So it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's a cool looking pick. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just zero. You had to just pick one.
Speaker 1: There was so many of them. You just had to
Speaker 1: be like, pick the one you want. And so this
Speaker 1: hog just keeps coming and keeps coming and they're working
Speaker 1: their way. They're just they're just coming to me. In
Speaker 1: a few minutes, I'm gonna have twenty hogs all within
Speaker 1: bow range. I mean just a few minutes. And so
Speaker 1: I picked out this little gray hog and he just
Speaker 1: keeps coming, and I would say he was I don't
Speaker 1: think you would a wait, a hundred pounds, probably eighty
Speaker 1: to a hundred pounds. And this little hog gets right
Speaker 1: in behind me, and I'm just about to draw my bow,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, these hogs just go to scattering,
Speaker 1: like what you described when you jumped up and hollered
Speaker 1: at those hogs and they scattered out. These hogs just
Speaker 1: also just kind of starts scattering and running, and right
Speaker 1: through the middle of them comes a hog that's a
Speaker 1: quarter bigger than the one I've already shot, and and
Speaker 1: and this, and the one you shot was the biggest
Speaker 1: one in the world. The one I shot was the
Speaker 1: biggest one in the county Scott, Are you glad you
Speaker 1: didn't decide to get on the ground and grunt like
Speaker 1: a hog and trying to scare him. I went on
Speaker 1: my hands and knees trying to sneak up on him.
Speaker 1: So I see this hog, he just comes charging in,
Speaker 1: like just arging in, and these other hogs you can
Speaker 1: tell like give him a wide berth, you know. And
Speaker 1: when he comes to a stop trotting out there, he's
Speaker 1: fifteen yards underneath my tree and he sticks his nose
Speaker 1: in the leaves and goes to pick up acorns. Well
Speaker 1: by then, man, I'm at full draw again, and I'm
Speaker 1: so high in this tree. I man, fifteen yards. It
Speaker 1: was almost felt almost like I was shooting straight down
Speaker 1: at him, you know. And when I touched the release,
Speaker 1: my arrow just twelve rings this thing and the top
Speaker 1: of the shoulder on its right side, and it buries
Speaker 1: up almost to the fletching. I mean, just just stuck
Speaker 1: him perfect. When I shot him, he takes about two
Speaker 1: jumps kind of uphill and then just whips around and
Speaker 1: he is double mad, and he just he's just he's
Speaker 1: just kind of spinning circles, looking looking looking looking. He's
Speaker 1: just like he's he's looking for whatever. Whatever, Just bid
Speaker 1: him whatever, just at him. And I'm sitting there looking
Speaker 1: I shot. I used to shoot white, three white fletchings
Speaker 1: on my arrows because you could see him in flights
Speaker 1: much better. I'm looking at these three white fletchings against
Speaker 1: this black hog body that is in a twelve ring
Speaker 1: spot on this hog, and he acts like he's not
Speaker 1: even shot. Hm. And I remember thinking, well, I can't
Speaker 1: shoot one better than that. Yeah, I mean, but I'm
Speaker 1: digging for another arrow, you know. I'm reaching around there
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to grab another arrow out of my quiver,
Speaker 1: and I get one, and he's still just kind of
Speaker 1: standing there and he left. I just about I got
Speaker 1: an arrow knocked, and I'm I'm in the process of
Speaker 1: trying to get my release on the string, and he
Speaker 1: finally besides, he better get get gone. So he takes off,
Speaker 1: just charging up this ridge, just running straight up hills.
Speaker 1: You can. I'm talking to steep Ridge, just trotting up
Speaker 1: this ridge like there's nothing wrong with him whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: I'm watching this hog just run off out of my
Speaker 1: life forever. It looks like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I can't believe it. And he's
Speaker 1: just a dead stride about twenty yards from him. He's
Speaker 1: just a dead trot And all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: was just like you pulled the power cord on him
Speaker 1: and he was dead instantly, he just comes to a
Speaker 1: sliding halt up there and never wiggled again. It was
Speaker 1: all she wrote. So of course, you know, I'm about
Speaker 1: ready to jump out the tree. I'm so excited, you know.
Speaker 1: So I grabbed my radio. I'm digging it out, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. And about that time Tim comes on the
Speaker 1: radio was like, how about it, Scott? I was like,
Speaker 1: and I started, Tim, You're not gonna believe what just happened, son.
Speaker 1: I just shot. I shot an absolute tank of a hog,
Speaker 1: bigger than the first one I shot. And I go
Speaker 1: on and I go on for two or three minutes
Speaker 1: on the radio without taking a breath hardly, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I finally get done telling my whole story
Speaker 1: on the radio and I take my thumb off the
Speaker 1: button and Tim goes, man, that's awesome. I just shot
Speaker 1: a big buck. And I'm like, and I thought I
Speaker 1: heard what I heard, you know, And I was like,
Speaker 1: come back, did you just say you shot a big buck?
Speaker 1: He's like ten four. I just shot a big buck
Speaker 1: over here. And of course I'm like, man, this is
Speaker 1: the most awesome day. We can't believe it, you know,
Speaker 1: So lock to cut the story down, Tim just he's
Speaker 1: not sure. He's pretty sure he made a good hit.
Speaker 1: But you know how you are when you don't see
Speaker 1: the arrow hit the deer, and you all got this
Speaker 1: doubt in your mind. And the longer you said, the
Speaker 1: more you doubt it, and all this other stuff. So
Speaker 1: Tim come and got me later, and I said, Man,
Speaker 1: if you're worried about your hit, let's got plenty of
Speaker 1: work to do. Let's get these hogs out and uh
Speaker 1: we'll go and get yours. Uh we'll get It'll give
Speaker 1: it some time, you know. So anyway, long story short,
Speaker 1: he had hit that dear perfect. He ran maybe seventy
Speaker 1: five yards. He just didn't see him go down. You know.
Speaker 1: Those hogs and that buck filled up back of a truck. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: we we had in that bucks. It was a dandy,
Speaker 1: I mean, like right at pope and young class eight
Speaker 1: point nice, just a really nice buck at the time.
Speaker 1: I want to say that was for sure, probably the
Speaker 1: biggest buck at the time Tim had ever killed with
Speaker 1: a bow. I mean, it was a it was a
Speaker 1: good deer. It was a good day hunt, but it
Speaker 1: was an awesome day hunt. Started out as a deer hunt,
Speaker 1: turned into a hog hunt. But ended as a deer hunt. Randy,
Speaker 1: this would be a good time to clear up the
Speaker 1: roar in your story that we never got to. So
Speaker 1: Randy told the story on the first White Tail Stories
Speaker 1: podcast about buck following a mine shaft and you you
Speaker 1: talked about a roar, which now we're talking about hall roars,
Speaker 1: fair roars, but it was the buck. It was a
Speaker 1: buck roar, and I had never really heard one before.
Speaker 1: I had heard him grunt, and I've heard all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff, dear, blow at you. But when he made
Speaker 1: that noise, it made the hair on my next stand up,
Speaker 1: I was It woke me up. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, what was that. But at the time I
Speaker 1: still didn't know it was a buck because I didn't
Speaker 1: think they can make that noise. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: once all that transpires, like it had to be that buck,
Speaker 1: and talking with Scott about it, you know, he explained
Speaker 1: buck roar and all that kind of stuff, and I've
Speaker 1: heard him like on YouTube videos and stuff like that's
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. And I think on that podcast
Speaker 1: or maybe the next one that he was brought up
Speaker 1: on one of the stories a buck roar and they
Speaker 1: played it and I was like, oh, yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what it was. Uh. Did you like how Phil the
Speaker 1: meat eater sound guy put an actual like lion roar.
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to tell Phil, hey, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to do that, but uh, because because the way
Speaker 1: I think he heard the story was that like. So
Speaker 1: it was like, well, to trim the story down. What
Speaker 1: I left out was you know, I mentioned how out
Speaker 1: of shape I was, but I contemplated just sitting on
Speaker 1: the ground. I was so tired. But when I sit
Speaker 1: down above that trail, I look right beside me and
Speaker 1: there was a big old pile of bear scat, and
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I'm not sitting So you had reason
Speaker 1: to think there was because there was bear sign. And
Speaker 1: when I climbed up in the tree, as it started
Speaker 1: getting daylight, down below me, I could see something really
Speaker 1: dark and I first was like, that's not a bearret
Speaker 1: to move by now, And then I was like, is
Speaker 1: it a whole the bears? You know? And come to
Speaker 1: find out, it was the opening of that my shaft.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know what it was. So, you know,
Speaker 1: as as it's getting daylight, I'm looking down there and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what that is? So how
Speaker 1: far was the mind shaft from? Probably about thirty yards?
Speaker 1: It wasn't that far. It wasn't that far. But the
Speaker 1: way it's cut, I mean, it was so steep you
Speaker 1: could tell something was there, but you couldn't tell what
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah. Um, Scott sent me a picture today
Speaker 1: of the buck in the mind shaft. I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: that on my Instagram at some point. Yeah. I posted
Speaker 1: the actual buck on my Instagram after the thing came out,
Speaker 1: just so anybody looked at it and see how because
Speaker 1: he was a good sized buck. I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: biggest buck I've ever killed. Uh. And then add some
Speaker 1: water on him. We can count that water weight right
Speaker 1: lifting him up out of the hole. He was heavy. Yeah. Now, Andy,
Speaker 1: were you with your grandson when he killed the big
Speaker 1: I mean I know you weren't sitting with him. But
Speaker 1: the big deer there was a big deer killed two
Speaker 1: days ago Scott's sons. Yeah, Yeah, that was That was
Speaker 1: a heck of a deer, big deer. Yeah, how big
Speaker 1: was it? Scott? This is your son? Was it Blake? Yep?
Speaker 1: Sun Blake. Huh, it's his biggest buck ever he's ever killed.
Speaker 1: It's gonna the deer is gonna be right out a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight point. Yeah, so public land land, dear, yeah,
Speaker 1: good dear, and all you're looking for on public land
Speaker 1: over there where we were running for sure. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: calls me up Friday night and he says, Paul, you're
Speaker 1: hunting the Morrow. And I said yeah. He said, you
Speaker 1: here if I go with you? And I said I no,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you go. He said, where are
Speaker 1: we going? I said, I don't know. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: down south. I said, we'll dump you out down or somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know. Anyway we go down and of course what
Speaker 1: he what? He shows up, and I gotta say this.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm a stickler about this. I said, be
Speaker 1: at my house at four thirty. And he was at
Speaker 1: my house at four thirty. So that was a plus.
Speaker 1: And and then he gets out, get start. It's good starting.
Speaker 1: But then things kind of went downhill a little bit.
Speaker 1: He he uh. He said, well, you're all gonna hunt
Speaker 1: all day and I said, well, I don't know. He said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna hut all day, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take my own rig because I need to come in
Speaker 1: and I said, so there's already stipulations on his up,
Speaker 1: so we give him. You can imagine this what we
Speaker 1: did to him going down that morning, and we we
Speaker 1: kind of wrote him pretty hard and anyway, went down
Speaker 1: and it put him in the tree, and and uh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Spurgeon, he was something with us. And so I
Speaker 1: don't we dun't took Blake down to the tree and
Speaker 1: put him up to our diet and put him up
Speaker 1: my tree. But showed him the tree and I went.
Speaker 1: Dump Kevin off and I went and we were gonna
Speaker 1: hunt till eleven o'clock. And uh, we'll explain why you
Speaker 1: chose that spot. Well, the reason when we chose that
Speaker 1: spot was Cole had about I spent a month ago,
Speaker 1: probably the first first weekend of both season, eighth of October,
Speaker 1: was it. Anyway, he had hunted that sand and and
Speaker 1: he had three bucks coming on him that morning, including
Speaker 1: this deer. Uh, and it just wore him out at
Speaker 1: twelve yards. And you know when the when the buck
Speaker 1: come in, Cole says, there's no way this deer can
Speaker 1: get away from me. I'm i gonna kill him. You know.
Speaker 1: He said there was a time or two that he
Speaker 1: could have shot him through a little bit of stuff,
Speaker 1: and he said, why why would I want to do that.
Speaker 1: He's gonna give me a broadside shot at twelve yards.
Speaker 1: And he said about that time that deer kind of
Speaker 1: turned and one of them bucks he run it. One
Speaker 1: of those bucks and a buck run off, and he
Speaker 1: chased him up the ridge and walked out of his life.
Speaker 1: Never even got a shot at him. And so Cole
Speaker 1: kept telling us, somebody needs gonna hunt this deer. Said,
Speaker 1: he's a bruiser. He's a big buck, he said, he said,
Speaker 1: in fact, he said, probably the biggest buck I would
Speaker 1: have ever killed, if I would have killed him. And
Speaker 1: so anyway, so Kevin and I before Blackie call, we
Speaker 1: were gonna go hunt. And I was gonna hunt that stand,
Speaker 1: and Kevin was gonna go y. And so I told Blake,
Speaker 1: he really owes me a bunch now that I put
Speaker 1: him in my stand. But anyway, there was no grounds
Speaker 1: rinkage on that one. And I called cold and I said, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't have the big guy on him, because I
Speaker 1: mean he was a big buck. Something. Men's time is
Speaker 1: eleven and a quarter g two beams. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's good main beams so many here, you know, big
Speaker 1: buck dere but he so when I went to pick
Speaker 1: Kevin up, Uh, Kevin's nonchalant. Of course, I didn't have
Speaker 1: any service where I was at. Everybody Scott and Blake
Speaker 1: and Kevin had been talking and anyway, I went to
Speaker 1: the one of my stuff in the back of the
Speaker 1: truck and Kevin says, when we need to make some room.
Speaker 1: And I said, what are you talking about? I said,
Speaker 1: did Black kill that big buck? He said, he sure did.
Speaker 1: And so we take off and go over there at noon.
Speaker 1: But then when I come over the hill, old Blake's
Speaker 1: up give me the fifth book. You know, he calls
Speaker 1: his dad and Scott says, he couldn't even get it out, Dad, Dad,
Speaker 1: I just killed the biggest buck of my life. You know.
Speaker 1: He was some kind of tour But you know what,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. That's that's and we talked
Speaker 1: about this all the time, and it's not about you. Really,
Speaker 1: I get as much and Scott had. We had this
Speaker 1: conversation this week, and it's like Gary talked talking about
Speaker 1: taking you down where the deer were. That's the way
Speaker 1: we operate, you know, It's not about me going to
Speaker 1: the best spot. It's about I think anybody's separate hunting
Speaker 1: with me would say I'm gonna give you the best spot. Mh.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not greedy when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: I can vouch for that because um, by no means
Speaker 1: the greatest hunter. I hunted with you in high school, Clay,
Speaker 1: when I think neither one of us were killing deer. Um,
Speaker 1: you moved up with them and start killing deer and
Speaker 1: then they Scott moves back to Mina. That's when I
Speaker 1: hook up with them and I start killing deer. But
Speaker 1: I've been to camp with these guys and it is
Speaker 1: an art form. You guys have it mapped out. Y'all
Speaker 1: have probably twenty stands based on the wind, and you
Speaker 1: sit around the camp the night before and figure out
Speaker 1: who's going where, and it's a it's a whole strategy,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's very productive. So well, I'd rather
Speaker 1: see you know, I mean, I get it's much thrilled
Speaker 1: out of somebody else getting a thrill. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not a loner when it comes to deer hunting, our
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. I like companionship. I like people to gig
Speaker 1: and I hope we get into some of the gigging
Speaker 1: on some of steps. There's some highlights with him, But
Speaker 1: I tell you it's all about companionship and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Scott Steve grew up with my kids and
Speaker 1: treated him like his own. And he's he's walked thousands
Speaker 1: of miles behind me over the years. I mean, great friendship.
Speaker 1: Even before that we played little legue baseball together. That's
Speaker 1: how far we go back. That's a lot, that's a
Speaker 1: lot of years. And uh, but I think hunting is
Speaker 1: about making somebody happy. You know, it's not and it's
Speaker 1: not about being especially anymore. I mean it's I like,
Speaker 1: kill buck deer as by anybody, but Blake, when that
Speaker 1: boy killed that there, that's what it's really all about.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when when Ronella lets you shoot
Speaker 1: the moose. You know, that's that's shows you kind of
Speaker 1: up made me think a whole lot of him when
Speaker 1: I and I think Gary May pointed that out and
Speaker 1: in one of the podcasts about that shows you what
Speaker 1: kind of guy he is when he lets you shoot
Speaker 1: the moose that he's always wanted to shoot. So but
Speaker 1: so we give we give Blake a hard time. We
Speaker 1: told him that. You know, by looking at it, I
Speaker 1: thought he ought to give it at least another year.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have shot it. Yeah, you know, it's probably
Speaker 1: been a whole lot bigger little thing, you know, but
Speaker 1: it was truly. When you kill a buck like that,
Speaker 1: it's a whole different They're a whole different category than
Speaker 1: a two and a half or three and a half
Speaker 1: year old deer. They're just they're just big. I was
Speaker 1: excited to see it, Scott message me the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I sent it. In fact, Dad and Kevin had not
Speaker 1: even come out to Bloke yet when I sent you
Speaker 1: the picture. Yeah, yeah, I was working. I wasn't even
Speaker 1: hunting Blake. Of course, Blake calls me. I picked up
Speaker 1: the phone. I see it's him. When he calls me
Speaker 1: from the woods, I know something's happened, you know. So
Speaker 1: I picked up the phone and I can't even understand
Speaker 1: what he's saying. He says something like, you know, just now,
Speaker 1: I just shot. I can't even understand him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, are you sure you made a good hit? Like,
Speaker 1: let's slow down for a second. Are sure he made
Speaker 1: a good hit. He's like, oh, I've already seen him
Speaker 1: he's already he's on the ground, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he'd already found him and everything. Yeah, And anyway, I said,
Speaker 1: well you got a picture. No, I was like, Blake,
Speaker 1: take a picture of him, you know, like, give me,
Speaker 1: give me something to go off of. I'm living my
Speaker 1: life through you today. So he, uh, he takes a
Speaker 1: picture of it. Since it I think the first picture
Speaker 1: I sent to you is just a deer laying on
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, and you can tell it was big,
Speaker 1: but you couldn't really tell that much. You were one
Speaker 1: of the first three people. I think I sent the
Speaker 1: picture too. Yeah. Oh, Blake Brown just gets down and reloading,
Speaker 1: gives you another down. You get up, Hey, he just
Speaker 1: give him another to the shoulder. Lay it there. That
Speaker 1: was funny, Steve. You've been hunting with Andy, you twenty
Speaker 1: plus years. Yeah, yeah, I mean, in fact, how old
Speaker 1: were you were you about Blake stage when you killed
Speaker 1: that big buck down off on the back side of
Speaker 1: the mountain and I came to you and you said,
Speaker 1: how we're gonna get that buck out of here, and
Speaker 1: nice shoulder packed him just like you were talking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how old I was, because Cole killed
Speaker 1: went on the same morning. If you'll remember, he was
Speaker 1: about twenty one or twenty two, I want to and
Speaker 1: if Cole was ten, i'd have been twenty when that happened.
Speaker 1: And we were down to bottom and I went off
Speaker 1: down off the middle mountain down to him, down to
Speaker 1: the bottom Scott to kill the big old buck. And
Speaker 1: he should, man, how we're gonna get this bug out
Speaker 1: of here? And I said, I'll show you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get out here. And I just threaded him down and
Speaker 1: tied it together and I just bent down and he
Speaker 1: helped me, and I got him on my back and
Speaker 1: I said, there you carry a gun. I'm talking. It's
Speaker 1: straight up. And I said him to take my time
Speaker 1: and he'll day. I went right up that mountain, grabbing
Speaker 1: tree to tree and carried his buck out of the
Speaker 1: mountain for nice. You know what, I was thinking the
Speaker 1: whole time as the best plan we come up with.
Speaker 1: We stayed in the night before up there what we
Speaker 1: call the Parker Place, and we were all is blue
Speaker 1: coal that I mean, it was cold, but he's all
Speaker 1: laying there and they're sleeping bags, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we heard out there the you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: get a little closer, and I'm not kidding you. There
Speaker 1: was an armadilla. Well you know it was thought it
Speaker 1: was a black panther. It cub between the tents, didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've just been there, remember, you know, armandals
Speaker 1: can't see very well. Yeah, and he got running by
Speaker 1: and he just square centers and ice chest and Steve goes.
Speaker 1: He goes at Arbydale's wondered that here launy one of
Speaker 1: the greatest stories though about Stevens. One night we've we've
Speaker 1: been hunting that on the lake and and it was
Speaker 1: me and Scott and Tim and we didn't get out
Speaker 1: the way after dark and you got to load the
Speaker 1: boat and get everything go on. And we're coming up
Speaker 1: the highway and all of a sudden we get service.
Speaker 1: And Stevens called Scott ten times. She's called me half
Speaker 1: a dozen times. There's voicemail after voicemail, there's mis calls,
Speaker 1: there's text messages. Somebody's dying smail. I mean, what can
Speaker 1: I say? But anyway, Steve shot a buck and and uh,
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's needs to help finding he's a man.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a ton of blood. So here we are.
Speaker 1: It's it's nine thirty, nine thirty, ten o'clock till after dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's anyway, Scott tell the story that I'll
Speaker 1: get in there here to minute. Well, when I when
Speaker 1: I listened to the voicemail, Steve, he says, Scott, Hey,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm over here, Aaron stand. It's a stand
Speaker 1: location we have over here. To Aaron stand, he said,
Speaker 1: I've just shot a big buck over here. He said,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm big. And he said, he said, I've
Speaker 1: got good blood, but I've lost it. I've lost the blood.
Speaker 1: Can y'all bring the dog over here? And it just
Speaker 1: so happened that year we had a dog in camp
Speaker 1: that could trail blood trail And so I hang up
Speaker 1: the phone. I let you know I'm done with a voicemail.
Speaker 1: I look over her dad and said, well, boys are
Speaker 1: not just begun. It's long as rose deal. Let me
Speaker 1: let me just put this. It's one of those Andy
Speaker 1: Brown says we're going on a wildcat van in him
Speaker 1: and I. In the hunting years we've hunted together, we
Speaker 1: have been on a mini wild cat. Man, I'm going wildcat.
Speaker 1: That's what wait that we called a wildcat. And he said, well, boys,
Speaker 1: were going wild if that means we may be out
Speaker 1: all night. Night. So we get to camp, we load
Speaker 1: the dog, drive up there there and stand Steve. He's
Speaker 1: he's pasting the hole in the ground, he says, boys,
Speaker 1: he said, I've got He said, I've got great blood.
Speaker 1: I mean great blood, and uh, he said, but it
Speaker 1: just goes off down a little kind of a little holler,
Speaker 1: and you come up with the hollar, it just quits.
Speaker 1: And of course we're thinking, well, maybe maybe he just
Speaker 1: made a turn or you know how they can do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, well you hit him good. Steve says, man,
Speaker 1: I had it right behind the shoulder when I shot.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, well, heck, if he's bleeding that
Speaker 1: good chopped on the shoulder. He't far, you know. So
Speaker 1: we walked down there and Steve takes us out to
Speaker 1: where this deer standing when he shot him, and he's not.
Speaker 1: He has not over exaggerated the blood trail. It is
Speaker 1: a fantastic blood trail, one of those you can see, Steve,
Speaker 1: he just poured out. I mean you can see it
Speaker 1: in the flashlight way up in front of you, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, just a great blood trail. And I remember
Speaker 1: looking I'd look at Steve. I said, Steve, this dere
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere blaeding like this. And Steve says, well, Scott,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, he goes up here and he quits.
Speaker 1: Of course, we got this dog with us. Of course
Speaker 1: it's on the blood. We don't need the dog yet
Speaker 1: because you can see the blood plenty well enough. But
Speaker 1: this dog is trying to pull his collar off. He's
Speaker 1: wanting to get going, you know. And Tim has him
Speaker 1: on on a leash and we go down there and
Speaker 1: just like Steve said, across the little holler just quits.
Speaker 1: No more blood, and we all just kind of assumed
Speaker 1: he turned down hill. You know, deer shot good generally
Speaker 1: doesn't gonna go down here. There's exceptions every rule, because
Speaker 1: I've seen him go up hill, we all probably have.
Speaker 1: But this we just felt like this deer probably turned downhill,
Speaker 1: so the dog was feeling the same way the dog
Speaker 1: turned downhill. We just assumed that the dog was right,
Speaker 1: and off down the mountain we go. And you know,
Speaker 1: even th though the dog you feel like it's on
Speaker 1: the deer, you're still wanting a spot of blood for affirmation,
Speaker 1: you know, And we're all kind of trying to just
Speaker 1: find a spot of blood. We don't find anything. We
Speaker 1: finally get down in the bottom this ridge goes down.
Speaker 1: It hits kind of a cane bottom, and we got
Speaker 1: down in that bottom. The dog kind of turned east
Speaker 1: up the bottom there, and when he did, I just
Speaker 1: looked down on the ground and there was a spot
Speaker 1: of blood and I said, all right, we're for sure
Speaker 1: on him. I mean, there's blood right here. And by
Speaker 1: the time I said that, the dog just turns and
Speaker 1: goes right back up the ridge. We just came off,
Speaker 1: just a little bit further east from where we came off.
Speaker 1: He goes right back up. And I remember us all
Speaker 1: looking at each other going this that, and good, like
Speaker 1: he doesn't need to turn up hill, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We just felt like if the deer was
Speaker 1: hurt bad, he wouldn't have turned the hill. That steep
Speaker 1: of a hill. The dog just keeps going up the hill,
Speaker 1: keeps going up the hill, and Tim, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got flashlights and a minute he's out of side up there,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of standing down there at the bottom
Speaker 1: where this bucket turned up, or we thought he turned up,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting there talking and I just walked out
Speaker 1: there about ten or fifteen yards from I tell you
Speaker 1: what I was doing. We will We got off down
Speaker 1: there is just buck scrape under every bush now, and
Speaker 1: I thought, boys, we found the hotspot right here, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I'm walking around down they're just kind of
Speaker 1: looking survey and the buck sign. And about that time
Speaker 1: I find some blood uh north, not up going up
Speaker 1: the ridge, but actually away from the ridge North. I said, guys,
Speaker 1: there's blood right here. I don't think that dog's on
Speaker 1: the right deer. And anyway, I think the dog realized
Speaker 1: that too. He got up there little ways and just
Speaker 1: kind of was done with it and what it was.
Speaker 1: He got on a perfectly healthy deer in the process
Speaker 1: of all. So Tim comes back down the ridge with
Speaker 1: this dog and we walk out there and get him
Speaker 1: on this blood that I've found, and it's back on again,
Speaker 1: the dogs on him again. And here we go across
Speaker 1: this cane bottom, or it's only about fifty or sixty
Speaker 1: yards out there until it hits creek, a big creek,
Speaker 1: like a swimming hole kind of creek, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Creek, And uh, we go out there and
Speaker 1: and this cane bottom just goes out there, and when
Speaker 1: it hits the creek bank, it's on it's on the
Speaker 1: channel side of this creek, meaning it's just a bluff
Speaker 1: off to the water, probably a three and a half
Speaker 1: foot four ft drop off into a big hole of
Speaker 1: water that runs back west a hundred yards back west.
Speaker 1: And uh, we said, well, across the creek right here,
Speaker 1: and so you can't cross right there, it's way it's
Speaker 1: over your head. Be So we thought, well, we'll go
Speaker 1: down creek, We'll crossing the shoal. We do that. We
Speaker 1: come back up straight across from where some of us stayed,
Speaker 1: where last blood was, so we knew where to try
Speaker 1: to pick up the blood on the opposite side of
Speaker 1: the creek. We get down there, no blood trip, none whatsoever.
Speaker 1: We we scour the bank, We exhaust all efforts trying.
Speaker 1: The dogs not interested. You can just tell something happened,
Speaker 1: well common sense of to you, Well, maybe the deers
Speaker 1: in the creek. So we start looking. We're shining creek.
Speaker 1: We're walking up down the creek bank and anyway, Steve
Speaker 1: gets away from me. He gets down there down creek,
Speaker 1: probably down creek, downstream, about seventy five yards or so,
Speaker 1: and Steve goes, hey, Scott, come here, what is this
Speaker 1: over here? So I walked down there. Steve stand on
Speaker 1: the banks. What's that right over there? And I shined
Speaker 1: my light. We've got pretty good lights. I'm shining on
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's just a something like a To me,
Speaker 1: it almost looked like just a piece of wood floating
Speaker 1: or like under the surface, maybe just just barely sticking
Speaker 1: out of surfaces creek kind of on another bank over there.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I don't know, Steve, you think that's him?
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, I don't know. Anyway, Tim comes
Speaker 1: over there. We say, Tim, is that what do you
Speaker 1: think that is? Oh? Tim? He looks it over and
Speaker 1: as boys, that's him. And I need no more than
Speaker 1: said that, And Steve is running down the creek. Should
Speaker 1: we let's Steve take it from here back to the show.
Speaker 1: Steve goes, leaves me and Tim standing area, and they
Speaker 1: got the light on him. Yeah, we're holding a light
Speaker 1: on him. Dad. We tell Dad, we said, Dad, dere's
Speaker 1: gonna be west of head. Dad. He works his way
Speaker 1: down the bank until he gets over there and Dad
Speaker 1: confirms it. He looks down and he goes, yeah, boys,
Speaker 1: there's our deer. That's him. And anyway, Steve he down
Speaker 1: in heast, crossed the creek. Steve's built this deer up.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a big buck. He's this that biggest
Speaker 1: buck he's ever shot with his bow. I mean, he
Speaker 1: told us all stuff. And he and Dad's Dad's looking
Speaker 1: at the Dad's looking at this buck. You know, he
Speaker 1: can seem good. We can't see him. Dad's looking straight
Speaker 1: down at him almost, and it's four ft drop off
Speaker 1: off off the bluff into this whole water that's over
Speaker 1: your head deep. So Dad just kind of standing there
Speaker 1: looking at him, you know, and Steve says, and you
Speaker 1: see him. He said, Now, Steve, he said, Now, I
Speaker 1: could be wrong, but I don't think that thing's got
Speaker 1: but spok on one side. Yeah. Ch So Steve finally
Speaker 1: gets around Bill's off of that creek. I mean, he
Speaker 1: just he just hops for the water right there, and
Speaker 1: it's it's cold. I mean it's you know, it's thirty
Speaker 1: degrees and it's nearly midnight. I just bail off in
Speaker 1: there too, and when I do, it's deeper than I thought.
Speaker 1: I'm up and I get my breath, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm right there with that buck, and I look up
Speaker 1: and then I said, how we gonna get him out here?
Speaker 1: Will I take my belt off? I take my belt.
Speaker 1: I take my belt off, and I wrapped him around
Speaker 1: that deer's horns and I hand him then the belt
Speaker 1: and while he's pulling, I'm shoving. And we shoved this
Speaker 1: buck out on the bank up there. Well, I you know,
Speaker 1: I had to climb out of there four foot up,
Speaker 1: you know. And I get up and by the time
Speaker 1: I get up there and he's looking him over deep.
Speaker 1: We're shoot that thing and he's looking I said, I
Speaker 1: think its aiming right behind his sho older. Well, there
Speaker 1: ain't no hole behind his shoulder, okay, And I've had
Speaker 1: the best hit I ever had. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: boys right now, if you want to kill one dead
Speaker 1: like that, the shoot him in the for more artery.
Speaker 1: But I had got both of them in double double. No,
Speaker 1: I's wainting that old blood. Well, he said, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna drag him. I ain't taking him out here. I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean, I said, to see about the
Speaker 1: big book, you're killing you. I ain't taking him out
Speaker 1: he said, I'll never hear the end of Scott Brown.
Speaker 1: And he said he will never let me live this down.
Speaker 1: And the reason that is let me just right. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not the first one I shot like that was
Speaker 1: part two. That was a part two Part two. The
Speaker 1: first one I did like that down there on the
Speaker 1: hunting deal. We had another wildcat venture about midnight down there,
Speaker 1: and I had we had drove down that afternoon and
Speaker 1: Wayne pet and I had saw the biggest buck I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in Haward County. I'm I'm not joking. Hugh's
Speaker 1: probably a one sixty inch buck had a drop time.
Speaker 1: We rushed back to camp get stands. I come back
Speaker 1: and I put it in the oak tree that the
Speaker 1: deer was feeding under with a dope for the exactly
Speaker 1: right there right there in knee tree. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: grunting there right it dark, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I hear crash pum pop coming up the hill to me,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think, oh boy, here's of course,
Speaker 1: my left leg was quiver and you know as much
Speaker 1: as these guys, Okay, I just started both hunt and
Speaker 1: you know how that shakes get with the left leg.
Speaker 1: Eight wouldn't settle down. Well, finally it got settled down.
Speaker 1: While I look and here come a nice eight point.
Speaker 1: Well I just drawed back shoot him, and sure enough
Speaker 1: I didn't hear where I supposed to. I him back
Speaker 1: there like that. Well, we foinally got him. I brought that.
Speaker 1: I brought that, and we got Well, we get back
Speaker 1: to camp and Scott he puts in on me. Now,
Speaker 1: Steve flying the world. He got a target and he said,
Speaker 1: a target up back there. Well, I was just stacking
Speaker 1: the marge in there at twenty thirty yards with a target. Well,
Speaker 1: let's hold on out of this. I put the target
Speaker 1: at about twelve yards and that's how far the deer was.
Speaker 1: And I said, Steve, try to miss that target as
Speaker 1: bad as you missed that deer. That's tough to do.
Speaker 1: He's trying to diagnose. Yeah, he's diagnosing tendons on the
Speaker 1: back hind quarters and telling us he shot it. And
Speaker 1: I told him my head to live. So now he's
Speaker 1: out here showing me, trying to tell me what I'm
Speaker 1: doing wrong. And he said, I just can't fig your
Speaker 1: sat And so when now back to part two, I
Speaker 1: shot this book and that happened again. That's a second
Speaker 1: dear I'd killed. Since that happened. We get back to
Speaker 1: camp and he's sitting around. He said, I gotta figures out.
Speaker 1: I think I know what you're doing. I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'd like you tell me what I'm doing, because that
Speaker 1: ain't where I'm aiming going, he said. He said, because
Speaker 1: he's given me this. He said, Now in your mind,
Speaker 1: when the deer comes up, he said, you need to
Speaker 1: anchor the same spot. You need to visualize if you're
Speaker 1: leaning out, you're up thirty foot in the tree. Don't
Speaker 1: just sticky, bow down, lean out, you know. He and
Speaker 1: I've got all this going through my mind. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking all these things. God, I picture him as
Speaker 1: the bo gay, you know. So I'm doing all these things,
Speaker 1: but I'm not hitting the deer where I plan to.
Speaker 1: He's figured it out, he says, I know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I said, well, what is it? He said, When you
Speaker 1: hit that release, you're jerking your head up to see
Speaker 1: where there's going. That's exactly what I was doing. I'm
Speaker 1: jerk instead of this letting my air do it the
Speaker 1: very next deer. Ill I have not shot another deer
Speaker 1: like that. I have killed deer now, chole Wood. So
Speaker 1: you're diagnosed, diagnosed, But to watch him y'all just had
Speaker 1: to be here if this was live TV, to watch
Speaker 1: him describe to mehow I was doing it. You know,
Speaker 1: this hilarious. But you know we're with hunting. B if
Speaker 1: you didn't have walkat ventures, I mean, I have more fun.
Speaker 1: We have more fun doing crazy stuff. Then you know,
Speaker 1: it's not about like Andy said, it's not about killing
Speaker 1: the deer or you know, turkey hunting. I've called this
Speaker 1: boy right here. I've called all his turkeys but one
Speaker 1: up and the one I didn't call up for him
Speaker 1: his his grandmother was in the hospital having a heartcast
Speaker 1: and fixing to go back. And he's calling me on
Speaker 1: the phone telling me about this turkey and you don't
Speaker 1: where to go get to kill it. And I'm on
Speaker 1: the phone with him and tell him while he's in
Speaker 1: the woods and I'm talking whispering to him, and he
Speaker 1: goes up and kills the turkey. So that's not you
Speaker 1: know Gary was talking about, not about the clicking deer clicking.
Speaker 1: One night, I was hunting over in the lake and
Speaker 1: Steve was hunting a little notch and I was hunting.
Speaker 1: It's just a long ridge that I hunt over there. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I was up in my big old pine tree, and
Speaker 1: I was high, and uh, i'd been there all evening
Speaker 1: starting to get dark, and so I started taking my
Speaker 1: stuff off to get down, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: I heard a deer go to bow and right off
Speaker 1: down the lake from me, and uh, anyway, I thought
Speaker 1: wind was coming right up the leg to me. I
Speaker 1: wasn't winded me. And about that time I could hear
Speaker 1: a deer coming just in a run, just running right
Speaker 1: up but not really running hard, but just dumpty thumpty
Speaker 1: thump cum come right under me and stopped. I was up.
Speaker 1: I was really too high because I had a little
Speaker 1: bit of canopy under me. And uh, I was sitting
Speaker 1: there and miron that deer. In fact, I was gonna
Speaker 1: I didn't. It didn't really matter to me whether there's
Speaker 1: a buck or though. I was gonna shoot it, if
Speaker 1: you know. And about that time I just heard the
Speaker 1: steer coming thump thump, come, just coming right up the ridge.
Speaker 1: That dude gets right out there I'm talking about, just
Speaker 1: just right there. And now it's late and that dude
Speaker 1: goes just like that. Yeah, And of course my hat
Speaker 1: was standing about that. I old man, I never heard
Speaker 1: what do that before. I'm just that clicking, you know.
Speaker 1: And when I seen him, he walked out and he
Speaker 1: had his tailed up, had his nose on the ground,
Speaker 1: and I could see horns, and I just pulled in
Speaker 1: the middle of him. It's his lady Bavitt. Well, I
Speaker 1: heard it hit him, so I shooting down and I
Speaker 1: get down there. Of course I've hit him back. I
Speaker 1: hit him too far back. I got on the air
Speaker 1: and so I just stuck at dude in the ground.
Speaker 1: I just walked out quite a way. He's in there.
Speaker 1: So I went back and Stephen shot one. And and
Speaker 1: that's another story. Scott to come over there to try
Speaker 1: to help find Steve's in the ryde. Know when you
Speaker 1: when the coat coat can run thirty three miles. Now
Speaker 1: I can't run thirty four, but he can run thirty
Speaker 1: I can. But anyway, Uh, they come over. We looked
Speaker 1: for Steve. Did five Steve. So we went in there,
Speaker 1: and back in those days we used to get stuff
Speaker 1: called blue Star, but it was blue Star, and we
Speaker 1: took that with us on ever hunt, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how many hunts that saved us, because that deer
Speaker 1: we went back to where it was. The deer had
Speaker 1: good blood going downhill. When he turned uphill, when he
Speaker 1: turned up, it is quit. And Scott said, of course
Speaker 1: we had a body gotta shake it up. And little
Speaker 1: tablet turn all yours and turn all your lights off,
Speaker 1: and said turned lights off. And of course he sprayed
Speaker 1: like that, and what what had happened? We had never
Speaker 1: he just turned he done ninety there, turned double back
Speaker 1: and he went right off. I'm telling you, just the steepest,
Speaker 1: just straight down, right down a little old holler. And anyway,
Speaker 1: we tracked him off down there to the creek, tracked
Speaker 1: him across the creek and he got up there. And
Speaker 1: when he crossed the creek. Uh, we didn't go far
Speaker 1: out there until he had laid down, found it where
Speaker 1: he had laid. But when he got up, he kind
Speaker 1: of walked on in towards the ridge and we kind
Speaker 1: of lost him in anyway, Um, finally we did it
Speaker 1: again and he had turned down an old road run
Speaker 1: right along the edge of the ridge, and he went
Speaker 1: what would you say, a hundred yards down there. Probably
Speaker 1: he went all the way to the water and turned
Speaker 1: around and come back. He was actually laying face us,
Speaker 1: and I mean he he hadn't been dead long, he
Speaker 1: was still and we just rolled him up. We gutted him,
Speaker 1: rolled him back in the lake, tied him to a stump,
Speaker 1: and the next morning we drove in put a boat
Speaker 1: into the lake and drove in there with a boat
Speaker 1: and coming got him. But that was another wildcat, miserable
Speaker 1: we found him. But that bull Star was good stuff.
Speaker 1: That was a big point clicking. But but but Scott as
Speaker 1: we said, how big he is? I I don't know
Speaker 1: he's legal. I couldn't tell you it's one seventy or
Speaker 1: or basketade. But he's a you know when he when
Speaker 1: he went to clicking, I'm a shooting. Uh. Um. I've
Speaker 1: got to ask you guys, so of all the stories
Speaker 1: that you've heard on these two podcasts, and I'll say
Speaker 1: I've had incredible feedback on these two podcasts. You know,
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to rate feedback from me because
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of stuff from different people, and
Speaker 1: we do so much, so much variety between like doing
Speaker 1: Frontiersman or or highlighting somebody for you know, dry ground
Speaker 1: mountain lion hunting in Arizona, like this style of podcasts
Speaker 1: that we just did, this this collection of stories. Um,
Speaker 1: I had people just loved it. I got really a
Speaker 1: lot of great feedback, and I'm always shocked any time
Speaker 1: I asked someone, I say, what was your favorite story?
Speaker 1: Just random friend? They surprised me every time because in
Speaker 1: my mind I'm thinking, Oh, it's for sure gonna be this,
Speaker 1: and they'll tell me this other story. But uh, Branny,
Speaker 1: what what was? What was your favorite story you heard?
Speaker 1: Can't pick your own, I'm not I'm not kissing your story.
Speaker 1: Your story was many people's favorite, the mind shaft buck
Speaker 1: unique and you told it well too. What's what's awesome
Speaker 1: about that story? Then I'll move on to your question? Here?
Speaker 1: Is that again? I didn't. I grew up in a
Speaker 1: house with my dad worked for the Fourth Service for
Speaker 1: thirty seven years. He didn't one go in the woods
Speaker 1: on his days off. He knew her all the deer,
Speaker 1: all the turkey and all that was, but he had
Speaker 1: no interest in going on his day off. So I
Speaker 1: didn't grow up that way. So it wasn't until my
Speaker 1: thirties really that I really start hunting. And it was
Speaker 1: working with Scott and talking to Andy and Steve Um,
Speaker 1: learning about wind and food and you know where to
Speaker 1: get and it's I mean it was instant. I mean
Speaker 1: I picked up a bow. Scott told me how to
Speaker 1: shoot a bow. I was seeing keep your head down
Speaker 1: on the peep side my first season bow. Honey, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing mature bucks, which is just unheard of. But you know,
Speaker 1: it just couldn't quite get it all put together. Um.
Speaker 1: So that hunt worked out well because I was able
Speaker 1: to on the spot, assess the situation, figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: what the plan was, where to get and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So, um, I wrote some notes from
Speaker 1: from the podcast last week, and uh, I did. I
Speaker 1: did my homework conn those points with me if you
Speaker 1: take notes on podcast. So uh, James Lawrence said something
Speaker 1: about the number eleven caps from the muzzleloader, and I
Speaker 1: have a disdain for those things, like I hate on bad.
Speaker 1: The very next year, or the year after I killed
Speaker 1: that mind chef Buck, I scouted a newer and I
Speaker 1: did it on my own this time. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I'm going on public land. I'm scouting out
Speaker 1: an area for myself. I find the spot. I'm on
Speaker 1: the other side of that mountain so that deer cannot
Speaker 1: fall in a hole. And I just I planned it out,
Speaker 1: and you know, like this this is gonna this is
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I see a buck that rivals that
Speaker 1: buck or maybe bigger, and don't tell these guys about it.
Speaker 1: He's leaving. Uh, he's leaving me. Steve probably knows exactly
Speaker 1: where I'm at, but Uh, he's leaving. And I got
Speaker 1: one shot and it was probably a little too far
Speaker 1: and I missed. But when the smoke cleared, that dude
Speaker 1: had ran all the way up underneath my stand. And
Speaker 1: I'd learned a lesson the year four. Start reloading. As
Speaker 1: soon as soon as you shoot, start reloading. So I
Speaker 1: am reloading and I can't get that number eleven cap
Speaker 1: you know. I think I dropped one, and then I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get the other one, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: hold it together because this buck is like, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of up a little ridge. But he is right. If
Speaker 1: I had a bow, i'd kill him. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was right there, and as soon as I'm starting to
Speaker 1: get that in, he's gone. And never never got the
Speaker 1: second shot off because I couldn't get that number eleven.
Speaker 1: So I can relate to that story there. I can
Speaker 1: also relate to uh Janice's story because he's forty three
Speaker 1: and he just killed his first buck with a bow too,
Speaker 1: So there's hope for me. I've killed plenty of those,
Speaker 1: you know, out of a stand with the bow, but
Speaker 1: I've yet, I've yet to kill a good buck or
Speaker 1: a buck with with a bow. So um, I thought
Speaker 1: that was pretty awesome because, hey, you actually teed me
Speaker 1: up to do something I meant to do at the
Speaker 1: very beginning. Everybody and their brother. Everybody and their brother
Speaker 1: has told me that Joannice got the date wrong. Does
Speaker 1: y'all any of y'all catch that? Huh not? Oh? Like
Speaker 1: ten thousand people message Jannice he got his years wrong,
Speaker 1: and he said that he killed the buck in in November,
Speaker 1: only October two, right now, So anyway, okay, for the record, everyone,
Speaker 1: thank you for letting me know that you honest got
Speaker 1: the date wrong. Story deserves some embellishment. Yeah, yeah, he uh,
Speaker 1: he was telling it was a combination of like two
Speaker 1: years and he's kind of going back and forth, and
Speaker 1: he told the story from the perspective of being and
Speaker 1: so anyway, so as great of a hundred as he
Speaker 1: is to know that he's still got thinks he's checking
Speaker 1: off the box. Gives everybody hope. You know that you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it, but not not to
Speaker 1: kiss up. Or you have three stories, but my favorite,
Speaker 1: and I listened to it twice and and I've played
Speaker 1: it for people, was your story, uh with Harvey. The
Speaker 1: way you told that story and the way it went
Speaker 1: back and forth. And I love the deck diconomy of
Speaker 1: you have all the data he gets in the tree
Speaker 1: the first time, you know, And that's just the way
Speaker 1: it works. So I've actually quit putting corn and hanging
Speaker 1: cameras and all that because it'll just make you sick.
Speaker 1: I had a I had a buck. I named him Tebow,
Speaker 1: just like you named him moose. He had fifteen points
Speaker 1: on him. Um, this is the first year I'm really
Speaker 1: bow hunting, and we corned. I had so many big
Speaker 1: bucks on this piece of property. I was getting hunt
Speaker 1: and that one came in and it I had one
Speaker 1: evening where I had been in the stand, I had
Speaker 1: bucks around me. I just couldn't quite get a shot
Speaker 1: off because I didn't they didn't quite come in my
Speaker 1: shooting lanes. And I just an awesome not hunting. And
Speaker 1: it got dark and I'm close to the train tracks.
Speaker 1: So as soon as that Steve's taking note over here
Speaker 1: was train track and property, like he's he's gonna figure
Speaker 1: me out here. Uh, but the train goes through, So
Speaker 1: I use that as a cover sound to climb out
Speaker 1: of the stand at dark. And as soon as I
Speaker 1: get down, there's t bow and my bow is hanging
Speaker 1: from the string and like there's no way I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get all together. And of course he's with two other bucks.
Speaker 1: Since I think it was an early hunting season that year,
Speaker 1: so you can still get on those summer bucks, and
Speaker 1: they were gone. And then I heard a story later
Speaker 1: and somebody described that buck to a t and killed it.
Speaker 1: You couldn't find it and couldn't find it, so he's
Speaker 1: he has not been found. Never saw him again. Next year,
Speaker 1: same thing, big buck on there, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: probably a twelve point. Got him on camera, getting on
Speaker 1: the corner like okay, I'm gonna get this buck, and
Speaker 1: then Scott sends me a picture. We keep bringing up
Speaker 1: Tim Clark a lot, but Tim had somebody that showed
Speaker 1: him this deer they hit with their car on the
Speaker 1: highway and it was just the deer's head like flies,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's my buck. So it's like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you just can't. You just can't. The best
Speaker 1: thing and I wish I had said it real clearly
Speaker 1: on the moose story, is it really was pretty cool
Speaker 1: that a hunter that knew what he was doing, even
Speaker 1: though it was his first hunt on that property and
Speaker 1: put an awesome shot on it. I mean, so many deer,
Speaker 1: just like what you said, get hit by a car
Speaker 1: or just disappear and you just lose track of them.
Speaker 1: I was so grateful, I really was that that big
Speaker 1: deer that I was able to track it down and
Speaker 1: it was killed by a hunter. That's a good way
Speaker 1: for an old buck to die. Is it the hands
Speaker 1: of a seasoned hunter or or a young hunt? Just
Speaker 1: just a legal hunting experience for somebody. Absolutely, And to
Speaker 1: hear him, you know how, remember me was that ten
Speaker 1: years later get emotional about it? Just means that man
Speaker 1: that worked out the way it's supposed to. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I can confirm the night the evening that moose was shot,
Speaker 1: you called me and you said, hey, man, I got
Speaker 1: some news for you. And I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and I remember exactly what you said. You said, moose
Speaker 1: is dead. And when you said that, I thought, holy cow,
Speaker 1: you finally got killed, and before I could even think that,
Speaker 1: you went, yeah, a guy on the neighboring property killed him.
Speaker 1: And I remember being sick for you, Like I was
Speaker 1: just sitting there thinking, because you'd sent me pictures that
Speaker 1: deer for four years in a row and told me
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I can remember thinking how sick
Speaker 1: you must have been. But I remember you telling me
Speaker 1: that you weren't as upset about it. You were just
Speaker 1: glad it was over. I remember you saying, I'm just
Speaker 1: glad it's over, Like there was a sense of relief
Speaker 1: that you didn't have to spend another minute trying to
Speaker 1: figure out where to shoot that deer or whatever it
Speaker 1: consumed you for about four years. That's a good point
Speaker 1: that I kind of that's become so normal to me,
Speaker 1: that feeling it was almost relief that that deer was killed.
Speaker 1: And then ten years later and I can kind of
Speaker 1: talk about this now, I had another big deer in
Speaker 1: the same area that I was hunting, exact same scenario,
Speaker 1: and uh almost dreaded it. And it was a big
Speaker 1: deer too, I mean a big deer, like hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy inch type deer, and I had shot at the
Speaker 1: deer the year before, when it was like a one
Speaker 1: fifty muzzloader misfired. There was at thirty five yards. I
Speaker 1: mean just dead. I mean, this deer is walking up.
Speaker 1: I've got a muzzloader in my hand. I'm like about
Speaker 1: the text of Taxidermist, you know, and uh, I shoot
Speaker 1: that muzzloader and it just fizzles. The deer lives. The
Speaker 1: next year, the deer is a hunt. I mean, no doubt,
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy inch deer. And I'm certain that deer
Speaker 1: is dead too. But when when all that was going down,
Speaker 1: ten years later, another big buck there, I was almost like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this again. I got one
Speaker 1: out that the been hunting for. This will be the
Speaker 1: fourth year. But you you wait, like Randy was saying
Speaker 1: about the cameras, you look and you look, and you look,
Speaker 1: and you don't get him. You don't get him. You
Speaker 1: thinks something's happened to him, and you wonder, and you
Speaker 1: wonder and wondering. All of a sudden, you get this picture.
Speaker 1: And he showed me a picture that was him last year.
Speaker 1: But this one here is the same. Deer may find
Speaker 1: him here and it's scrolling through his photos here, this
Speaker 1: is this is the way it goes. I was just there,
Speaker 1: we'll go head him. But I had him the day
Speaker 1: before season two years ago, had a daylight picture of
Speaker 1: him and unbelievable. That's the way he goes. Anyway, you'll
Speaker 1: go ahead and talking short to a minute. But anyway,
Speaker 1: if you just had just you just don't know. And
Speaker 1: this year he's not showed up like he was last year.
Speaker 1: He didn't show up too late, got him two different times. Um,
Speaker 1: right here he is four last giant eight points he's
Speaker 1: got I'd say that g two right, there's fifteen inches long.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's huge monster. But you know
Speaker 1: we've talked about that, Scott and I. You don't really
Speaker 1: know where he stays. You know, he shows up that
Speaker 1: two or three years ago. We had him a lot
Speaker 1: at night. But those guys don't get that big. But
Speaker 1: being stupid, they know how to survive. Um. I was
Speaker 1: just about to ask the Believer what his favorite story was,
Speaker 1: and he took a bride of Brownie. Of all the stories,
Speaker 1: which one stood out to you? Not your favorite? It's
Speaker 1: hard people asking about my favorite. There's all these stories
Speaker 1: are different. Like Andy his second story he told wasn't
Speaker 1: even the story that was gonna be on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I just liked it. So it's hard to compare like
Speaker 1: Andy telling about his little story admit, you know, shorter
Speaker 1: in time story to a big thirty minute story that
Speaker 1: we told. So favorite story is the wrong way to
Speaker 1: say it. What stories stood out to you, Dad? Well,
Speaker 1: the I just listened to the last, you know, I
Speaker 1: listened to both of them. But when I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: the second podcast where Andy told his and you're You're
Speaker 1: Buck wouldn't in that, I was really impressed with thrill kills,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he dispensed some information that of course,
Speaker 1: the way I hunt, I couldn't. I couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it just takes too much time
Speaker 1: and patience. But you could tell that guy knows what
Speaker 1: the heck he's doing. I'm telling you he is a
Speaker 1: thinking hunter. That was in my notes and story. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I like the way he told the story.
Speaker 1: I like everything about that story, but I like the
Speaker 1: knowledge that was behind how he hunts. You know, he
Speaker 1: took two guys put their stories to get, you know,
Speaker 1: how to hunt, and then applied it. And uh so
Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to learn how to hunt, and
Speaker 1: you go out on your own, monkey around. Are you
Speaker 1: pick up a book or get with guys like Scott
Speaker 1: and Andy or Clay and you learned every But he
Speaker 1: he put two really great hunters together. How they did it,
Speaker 1: put it together and made it well. He gave some
Speaker 1: good Uh that Brad Herndon. He talked about how and
Speaker 1: his takeaway was Herndon says, all the signs down low,
Speaker 1: but hunt up high in the gaps and saddles in
Speaker 1: mountain country, daily country, even if there's not signing the gap,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna end up up there. It was good.
Speaker 1: And then the other guy was talking about thermal's wind
Speaker 1: and thermals and you know, he he was able to
Speaker 1: put it all together. Uh, your story was probably the
Speaker 1: most intriguing. But I appreciated thrillt Kill story a bunch,
Speaker 1: uh just because of a surprise ending. Man. Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: a sucker for a surprise ending finding. About ten years later,
Speaker 1: I thought that's pretty good. Yeah, it was. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't like not finding a deer.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not you know, I've passed on a
Speaker 1: whole lot of deer, you know, just because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like not finding one, but it
Speaker 1: just happens. And uh, you know, liver shot, dear, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna go three or four hundred yards, but sometimes
Speaker 1: it's pretty difficult. It's kind of difficult to find them
Speaker 1: when they just stopped bleeding. Dave any of them stand
Speaker 1: out to you? Yeah, I was gonna tell the truth there.
Speaker 1: If man, you've been hunting a lot longer than the
Speaker 1: bowl and I have. But if you need me to
Speaker 1: teach you that shot where you can get a lot
Speaker 1: of blood and get them do one of I'll teach
Speaker 1: you that shot that I've got. You know, you need
Speaker 1: to know how to do that. You need to Randy
Speaker 1: from the spot in the wrong spot. Man, we hit them,
Speaker 1: we just have to chase, you know. But I liked that,
Speaker 1: you know, I liked that number second podcast. And what
Speaker 1: I liked about it you had four stories where they
Speaker 1: didn't get bucks and four stories where they did get bucks,
Speaker 1: and and what I got about all that like Andy's
Speaker 1: Andy story. I really liked that story. That we all
Speaker 1: have hunter had hunters have been there. I don't know
Speaker 1: of a one of us that hadn't lost the buck
Speaker 1: or you know, had these kind of shots you know,
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, and for him to find that sheds.
Speaker 1: You know, my son in law, he of years back.
Speaker 1: He didn't hunt much, but he he killed a one
Speaker 1: sixty eight inch buck and made a good shot on it,
Speaker 1: but couldn't find it. And it took him a week
Speaker 1: going back out and hunting and going back out and
Speaker 1: hunting it until he took his wife, my daughter. They
Speaker 1: he found it. He saw some crows and buzzards and
Speaker 1: went up on top of the mountain and he found
Speaker 1: that buck and it's mounted in his house right now.
Speaker 1: The codies had already eat it, eat the hide off
Speaker 1: of it. But he got the he got the deer,
Speaker 1: he got the horns. So that this shows you, you know,
Speaker 1: if you kill something big like that, the persistency to
Speaker 1: stay after it to try to find it. But I
Speaker 1: know we've all been there, we've all been in that situation.
Speaker 1: So it was really interesting that podcast Cody's ran up
Speaker 1: there at thirty three. Yeah, they probably did. No can't
Speaker 1: stop real quick or that thing you know you're just
Speaker 1: running right over. I'm gonna tell you it's real funny.
Speaker 1: Andy story and of course Andy and Scott and his
Speaker 1: a couple years older Scott. But I've been around Andy
Speaker 1: ever since he was a little boy. Anyway, worked with
Speaker 1: his dad for several years. Gary and anyway, we were
Speaker 1: we were camped down at uh uh fault in Spring
Speaker 1: Schoolhouse down south to six and uh back in those
Speaker 1: days we was hunting with J. C. McMillan and Larry
Speaker 1: and all that bunch, and there was a whole bo
Speaker 1: dawn trees. And but anyway, we're gonna make a deer
Speaker 1: drive one day and j C. Instead of happened stance,
Speaker 1: he said, well, now somebody needs to get down that
Speaker 1: swag you know, down there, and then somebody down there
Speaker 1: at the dead end on the road, and somebody down
Speaker 1: on the creek. Anyway, so he said, uh, he said
Speaker 1: to Gary and Andy. Andy was about probably, and he said,
Speaker 1: why don't you take Indy and you all go Donner
Speaker 1: and get on the creek and where you had to
Speaker 1: park to go to the creeks A long ways And
Speaker 1: I had just bought me I'll tell you how long ago.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen probably nineteen eighty six, So ain'tybody probably
Speaker 1: been tenorally at that time? I had a brand new
Speaker 1: nine five Susuki three. It's a three liard I mean,
Speaker 1: had the guns scabbard on it in the racks. I
Speaker 1: mean it was it was a hot dog, I said, Gary,
Speaker 1: I said it said, of y'all having to walk all
Speaker 1: the way down there, I said, why don't you take
Speaker 1: that three wheeler? He said, you don't care, Well, he
Speaker 1: never rode a three wheeler in his life. I said, no,
Speaker 1: just hop on that. So they off of it and
Speaker 1: he gets behind and they got their guns laid out,
Speaker 1: and we take off down this this warehousing road and
Speaker 1: they're in front and me and Doug Blair, one of
Speaker 1: James is a good buddies just right behind him in
Speaker 1: his suburban. Anyway, Gary's going down through there and he
Speaker 1: gets gets a looking over his left shoulder, you know.
Speaker 1: Well it gets to getting over in the ditch like that. Well,
Speaker 1: instead of him leaning this way, you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: lean opposite on those to get him to turn, he
Speaker 1: gives her this right here. And when he did that,
Speaker 1: ain bit it is, it slammed into the bank of
Speaker 1: the road and it was just three wheeler Gary Andy,
Speaker 1: three whitler, Gary going right down the bar ditch and
Speaker 1: that three wheel was just all over them down through there. Well,
Speaker 1: when the dust satellite jump out and I rund And
Speaker 1: and Warehouse were lucky to cut the road dishes pretty
Speaker 1: deep there, and I grabbed in and said you okay.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, where's Dad. I look back up the
Speaker 1: road and all you can see is with the knees
Speaker 1: back to his boots out of the pine thicket. Where
Speaker 1: else we wound up haul at him to the hospital.
Speaker 1: He broke five ribs. Smith the whole week laid up
Speaker 1: in the in the bed. But I mean, so anyway
Speaker 1: about Tuesday, I go in there to check on Gary.
Speaker 1: This is Saturday. And Gary says, ay, if you seen
Speaker 1: my shotgun? My shotgun? And I said, last time I
Speaker 1: seen it, Gary, I laid it up on laid it
Speaker 1: up on the bank of the road there where we
Speaker 1: had to wreck. He said, well, I ain't got it.
Speaker 1: I drive all the way back down there, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty five miles or forty and there that shotgun is
Speaker 1: laying right where I left it. And that's before all
Speaker 1: the gated roads. People would but that shotgun had never
Speaker 1: been moved in three days. Nobody had been through there.
Speaker 1: But he never put a scratch on the wady, but
Speaker 1: it's sure Besty's daddy yet. Oh wow, that's why I ran.
Speaker 1: I know you wanted Scott to tell a story for it,
Speaker 1: and he didn't get you one in. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: done for him to tell one of his buckstories if
Speaker 1: you have time for it. Which one he knows which
Speaker 1: one it is. Let me tell you my favorite story
Speaker 1: though out of the last episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're uh, we've been going an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: so we're we're gonna winder down a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I want My next question was gonna be you, what
Speaker 1: was your favorite one? So listen to all of them
Speaker 1: for different All of us has our favorite for different reasons.
Speaker 1: But I like most Shepherd's story the best. And the
Speaker 1: reason I do because I've never met Most Shepherd. But
Speaker 1: I feel like I know the guy just through you
Speaker 1: and through the magazine and and now through Bear Grease
Speaker 1: and all that. I feel like, you know, I've met
Speaker 1: the guy before it I never have. But I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting because mos accomplished deer hunter. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy has killed some big bucks. He's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a real deal in my opinion, just listening to the
Speaker 1: guy talk, you can tell you yeah, he's the real deal.
Speaker 1: And he could have picked any story to tell, any
Speaker 1: story to tell, but it's the one he didn't get
Speaker 1: that he told. And this guy has killed some state
Speaker 1: class I mean for the state of Arkansas as good
Speaker 1: as they get bucks. And he tells the story of
Speaker 1: a deer that he didn't get. And I sat there
Speaker 1: when I listened to his story, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: isn't that true? When I sit and think about dear
Speaker 1: stories to tell, most of the time, it's the one
Speaker 1: that I almost got but didn't get. Something went wrong,
Speaker 1: something went south, you said earlier. I had the taxidermist
Speaker 1: on speed dial fixed to call him. And then it
Speaker 1: just falls apart underneath you. And then I thought, what
Speaker 1: was interesting about mo? He seen that dear a couple
Speaker 1: of times prior to the encounter he had where he
Speaker 1: could have killed him. But from that point on he
Speaker 1: never saw him again. It was like that was it.
Speaker 1: Its the end of story. You get one chance and
Speaker 1: you never hear see the deer ever again. And isn't
Speaker 1: that true? I mean, that's so I think about all
Speaker 1: the big bucks I never got. I never saw him
Speaker 1: at one time. That was it. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: had more than one chance or anything. It was a
Speaker 1: one time deal. Didn't make it happen, And now you
Speaker 1: live with that for the rest of your life. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's there's a pain in that, but that's the stories
Speaker 1: worth telling most of the time. What what not to
Speaker 1: do or what went wrong? Or you learn a whole
Speaker 1: lot more from those hunts then you do the ones
Speaker 1: where you actually shoot something. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: I've got a story. I don't want to put you
Speaker 1: on the spot. Andy, if you don't want to tell it,
Speaker 1: would you tell us what happened to your finger? Well?
Speaker 1: It was it was October of two thousand. No, that's
Speaker 1: not right. It was October of nineteen seven. I think, Um,
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, that's when we first. I just
Speaker 1: got into bo hunting Scott. In fact, Scott was both
Speaker 1: hunting before I was by Uh. But anyway, he had
Speaker 1: found some deer sign over on board Camp Creek and uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to beat it out again. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't give your spots over on the creek over over
Speaker 1: over east of town. There's a hundred board Camp creeks.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we had went over there one evening and
Speaker 1: uh uh, I got up a tree stand and that's
Speaker 1: back and I had a shot a high country sniper
Speaker 1: bowl at the time, shot about two ten and had
Speaker 1: lim aluminum mares that you had to have somebody caring
Speaker 1: for you if you had more and three or four
Speaker 1: you know, the little big airs. But anyway, I sat
Speaker 1: there and stand and and and back in those days,
Speaker 1: I was fighting me and God was fighting and this
Speaker 1: is this is kind of a neat story, but it's
Speaker 1: it is a it's a good story. Um. I said, Lord,
Speaker 1: if you just let me shoot a deer today, I
Speaker 1: promise you I'll be in church in the morning, okay.
Speaker 1: And so son's going down here a little well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear a little snip snap, and I look and
Speaker 1: here comes this year lynn coming to my stand and
Speaker 1: it comes in behind me. And of course I still
Speaker 1: do a lot of things wrong in the tree, Sam,
Speaker 1: but I he saw me in it. It run out
Speaker 1: the top of the regiment over there, a broadside, and
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm not gonna let you
Speaker 1: get away from me about me slinging air at you.
Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, I cut drive shot under it and
Speaker 1: he'd run out the ridge, and I thought, well, that's it.
Speaker 1: In a minute, I looked over there and here comes
Speaker 1: that steer back. And so the deer comes back to
Speaker 1: my era, sniffs the era, and comes right into the
Speaker 1: tree stand and I shoot the deer. Okay, I mean,
Speaker 1: got a picture of it with my farm bureaupe with
Speaker 1: my ring on. Okay. So we get over to my
Speaker 1: friend's house. We skinned the deer. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: really I ought to go back up and hunt that
Speaker 1: buck in the morning. And he's got the wood store up,
Speaker 1: and so I did. I went with him. We get
Speaker 1: over there, the winds blown, we get up into the saddle. Um,
Speaker 1: there's deer in my stand. When we get there, deer's
Speaker 1: blowing out, going everywhere. And so at that time I
Speaker 1: was hunting a portable tree standing with the screwing steps
Speaker 1: and uh, anyway, I had a Fannie pack at the time,
Speaker 1: and so I crawled up in the tree and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and in the tree thinking I really don't
Speaker 1: need to be here. I need to be done. I
Speaker 1: need to be a church. Yet a deal had a
Speaker 1: deal and so uh the guy with Arkansas Democratic come
Speaker 1: out the week before with a story about tree stand accidents,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there smoking all that over, and
Speaker 1: at the time I just I wore a belt. The
Speaker 1: boys have since got the hardest put over, but I
Speaker 1: just wore a belt around me. But anyway, I was
Speaker 1: sitting there, and about about nine o'clock, I thought, I
Speaker 1: want to get down and just go look and see
Speaker 1: if I can find some more sun. So I dropped
Speaker 1: my bow out of my stand, put all the stuff
Speaker 1: in my Fannie pack, and I've got it run in
Speaker 1: front of me. So I started down to stand, and
Speaker 1: when I get down to the bottom step, I was
Speaker 1: I set the stand kind of on the upside of
Speaker 1: the saddle, and I set my first step pretty high.
Speaker 1: M hm. So when I got down to the last step,
Speaker 1: when I put my left foot down to get the ground,
Speaker 1: I couldn't reach it. I was tiptoin well. I still
Speaker 1: had my my hand up on the third step. So
Speaker 1: I thought, we'll all this hop off. So how high
Speaker 1: are you off the ground? Foot maybe off the ground?
Speaker 1: And you got your left hand. I got my right
Speaker 1: hand on the on the screw and step and my
Speaker 1: my this this one here, and I just stepped off
Speaker 1: this one on my left foot trying to get to
Speaker 1: the ground. And so when I hopped off, it was
Speaker 1: just it's just like you hit me with a ballpen
Speaker 1: hammer in the funny bone. And I knew I had
Speaker 1: really messed up something that had happened. I just grabbed
Speaker 1: my hand and I run about thirty yards up the ridge,
Speaker 1: and I thought I had broke my finger. When I
Speaker 1: opened up my hand to my bone is still attached
Speaker 1: with the nail, and all my finger is bawled up
Speaker 1: in the bomb pomp of my head, all the all
Speaker 1: the meat and my ring. It's caught my ring. My
Speaker 1: ring is hanging from my tending And so I shut
Speaker 1: my hand back like that right quick, and I thought
Speaker 1: that it can't be right. And I opened and of
Speaker 1: course I don't know bone as bone white as is white.
Speaker 1: But it was so dramatic. It didn't even bleed. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even hardy bleeding. It just looked like you just
Speaker 1: took it, took my finger and just put it right
Speaker 1: back over the bone. So anyway, I went back to
Speaker 1: the tree and got my bow down and took a
Speaker 1: shirt off and wrapped my hand up and hard at
Speaker 1: wrain and he come down there and he said, what
Speaker 1: did you do kill another tear? And I said, no,
Speaker 1: I've hurt myself. And anyway, I showed it to him,
Speaker 1: and of course I had my face paint on, you know,
Speaker 1: and brought me into the yard room and um a
Speaker 1: j cold. My preacher at that time met me at
Speaker 1: the e er. Tina had called him and he, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course he had no sympathy for me. Whatso everybody
Speaker 1: shouldn't have. He said, look here, son, what where should
Speaker 1: we should have been this morning? You know? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: call me out. But anyway, doctor they sent the doctor
Speaker 1: in and he told me, he said, you know, there
Speaker 1: might be a chance they could put it back, but
Speaker 1: you'd always have a stiff finger. And I said, no,
Speaker 1: you just take that dude off, and so they did.
Speaker 1: And so that's where he's I walked around with three
Speaker 1: fingers and I said all this to say this, if
Speaker 1: you tell God you're gonna do something, you need better
Speaker 1: keep your word. Mhm. Lesson learned, because as soon as
Speaker 1: it happened, I had no idea. I mean I had
Speaker 1: there was no question in my mind. Why did he
Speaker 1: let just happen to me? So that's the story, and
Speaker 1: spitting tobacco and leaving your finger in the wood me
Speaker 1: because I thought they could slide that dude right back
Speaker 1: on there up there too. I came in see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I came in the emerging room there and they had
Speaker 1: him back there, and I went in and it's just
Speaker 1: like your skin of uh coons tail and he I
Speaker 1: went over and looked at it and this he thought
Speaker 1: they shou gonna be able to put it back on
Speaker 1: sword on and that doctor was there and so the
Speaker 1: bone was fine, the bones still had the fingernail attached
Speaker 1: to your skin. All the meat right off this in
Speaker 1: his hand and he said, noping. So I stewed it
Speaker 1: there with him when he took that off, had to
Speaker 1: eat or do you know what I sit there? He's
Speaker 1: got like a big old pair of dog tonail clippers.
Speaker 1: Well that uh you know. The silicone rings are a
Speaker 1: big deal these days, and Andy, I think about you
Speaker 1: all the time because I usually wear a wedding ring.
Speaker 1: I actually don't have it on tonight because I took
Speaker 1: it off last night and said it buy my computer
Speaker 1: and forgot to put it on this morning. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get a silicone ring. Well, to lose a finger,
Speaker 1: that's a good one to lose. But you know there's
Speaker 1: a purpose for that that. I say this jokelly, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of truth to this. You don't take
Speaker 1: change in that hand if you do, and it's his
Speaker 1: ring finger on the right side. And there's not a
Speaker 1: morning that goes by in the world that I don't
Speaker 1: drop the soap that hand right there. I have to
Speaker 1: pick out up a time or everybody. So there is
Speaker 1: a purpose for that. And he'll tell you that for years,
Speaker 1: he'd say, my fingers eating, he's not there. It's just
Speaker 1: like you've got a stiff. Wow. That's wild. Well that's
Speaker 1: really interesting, and that's what a story man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a scripture that says better to not
Speaker 1: make a vow to God than to make one and
Speaker 1: not keep it. Yeah, well that's good man. I wasn't
Speaker 1: looking for a spiritual lesson. Boom, we got one that'll
Speaker 1: work for me. Hey, we've been going for Wow. Now,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming and being part
Speaker 1: of this. We didn't even get to talk to Hey,
Speaker 1: give that headset Toki for just second. Sorry, coy. I
Speaker 1: always have big plans. So this is ky house, um
Speaker 1: Steve's grandson. I went to school with Ki's dad and
Speaker 1: Koi's mom. Ki, you killed that big hog the other day.
Speaker 1: You don't have to tell me this whole story again.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was this morning. I did. I did.
Speaker 1: It was this morning. Um, now what do you what
Speaker 1: are you doing these days? Um? Well, I was going
Speaker 1: to college. Um got hurt. It's a long playing snack
Speaker 1: injury over at Washtap Baptist. And so now I'm back
Speaker 1: here and I'm running my own uh forestry, mulchen land,
Speaker 1: clearing all that kind of stuff, doing all that and
Speaker 1: so enjoying that. And then um, Friday nights, I do
Speaker 1: the radio here. So for the football team. You announced
Speaker 1: for the football to Okay, so I enjoy that. Cool.
Speaker 1: Now how old are you? I'm nine team, nineteen years old?
Speaker 1: You in your your big hunter killed a bunch of
Speaker 1: turkeys and you're telling my dad about a big buck
Speaker 1: you let slip through your fingers this year. I did,
Speaker 1: And I will tell if you don't mind it to
Speaker 1: a little quick story. So in that same spot last year,
Speaker 1: first buck I killed with the bow, first buck. It
Speaker 1: would be it would be a year ago this coming weekend,
Speaker 1: coming from college, all the guys were down there at
Speaker 1: camp Harriett County. I didn't have time to run down there.
Speaker 1: I called Paula. I said, what do you think I
Speaker 1: should go in the morning, said, I don't even know
Speaker 1: where to go. He said, go up there and getting
Speaker 1: that gap. I'm not gonna name where some of the
Speaker 1: guys in here, no exactly where it's at. So he said,
Speaker 1: go up there and getting that gap. You've been up
Speaker 1: there before. You know there's deer sign. So I climbed.
Speaker 1: I got up there, and you know there's an old
Speaker 1: staining in the tree up there. Climb in it, get
Speaker 1: set in. It's breaking light, cold, good, perfect morning, have
Speaker 1: a just like a one or two mile an hour
Speaker 1: north wind. Well. I had seen some buck sign in
Speaker 1: the road walking in. So I got up there, dug in.
Speaker 1: I ain't seen a deer. It's like thirty nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: Ain't seen a deer. And I said, I you know,
Speaker 1: I started, well, this is pitiful. You know, you kind
Speaker 1: of get you kind of get upset at yourself. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna grunt and I gonna and I'm I'm tired.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. Paula. I'll probably tell you
Speaker 1: because he's hunted close to me, can hear me? I
Speaker 1: like to get vocals sometimes, and sometimes I I like
Speaker 1: to know it. Hey, if there's a big buck in
Speaker 1: the area, I want Yeah, he's gonna know I'm here.
Speaker 1: Sometimes just tell him sometimes. So I let out the
Speaker 1: biggest right is on a grunt. And I sitting there
Speaker 1: about two or three minutes, and I see this tree
Speaker 1: just going crazy. And I said, well, that's just a
Speaker 1: squirrel jumping back and forth. Well it keeps doing it,
Speaker 1: and so I get down and literally, I have my
Speaker 1: harness on. I stretched my harness, which you know probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't say all the way down. I grab a hold
Speaker 1: and I looked down and this is I mean good
Speaker 1: size bug hunting twenty five inch buck eight point and
Speaker 1: he's shaking this, I mean just treager. He just shake it.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh my gosh, you know about that time,
Speaker 1: I get really wound up, bad, bad, bad, bad like it.
Speaker 1: It's like your grandpa, Oh yeah, high perventilating like I
Speaker 1: just turkey hunting's bad too. So anyways, so I grunt
Speaker 1: at him again. About that time he turns and he
Speaker 1: comes straight to me and he's just but but, and
Speaker 1: I said, he's gutting back at Oh yeah, big time,
Speaker 1: big time. Well, he stopped and he starts making a
Speaker 1: scrape about fifty yards out there right behind, so I
Speaker 1: can't get a good shot. And I said, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You know, by the time I'm getting answer, it's it's
Speaker 1: going longer. I'm getting answer. Well, I grunt again and
Speaker 1: I snort weez at him all but he was mad.
Speaker 1: He was mad. I'm waiting for this to be a
Speaker 1: two inch deer. I know. Hey. Well, he tries to
Speaker 1: go around me and get wind of me, and I
Speaker 1: was grunting and he was. He was still going behind me.
Speaker 1: He was gonna win me. And I let out a
Speaker 1: big grunt and he turned and come right back down
Speaker 1: to the heill in front of me. And he went
Speaker 1: down there about forty five yards. I arranged you, and
Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna come up to me more so
Speaker 1: I get a good shot. Well, he stops and he
Speaker 1: starts making a scrape. I said, man, I think I
Speaker 1: guess I want to shoot this buck about that time.
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of the other guys in
Speaker 1: here have ever seen it or not. That buck snort
Speaker 1: wheezed is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: But it's like they hunch up and then they let
Speaker 1: out that well, he starts making a scrape. Long story short,
Speaker 1: I pull back forty five yards, I shoot him, and
Speaker 1: it actually hits his shoulder and goes up and hits
Speaker 1: a spine, and so he just drops right there like
Speaker 1: a tone of bricks and as the first buck I
Speaker 1: killed with the boss. So he gave you the whole
Speaker 1: gamut of vocalization. Brown. You brown boys are running second
Speaker 1: to this kid, right, But I am the first person
Speaker 1: that did get a phone call? Is this man right here?
Speaker 1: And I called him five times because he wouldn't answer.
Speaker 1: If you know anything, I like to call until I
Speaker 1: get an answer because I'm pumped up and tell you
Speaker 1: my story. Yeah, what a great story. That's good. I've
Speaker 1: got to tell this story. Clay. Okay, this is the
Speaker 1: longest beggary shred. You may not want to put this
Speaker 1: in for your own uh you don't want to shame
Speaker 1: yourself or whatever. But there's a story. Yeah, everybody needs
Speaker 1: about this, you know, just get just give the semi
Speaker 1: condensed version. All right, Well, you know everybody, Clay Clay
Speaker 1: start out shooting compound bows all this stuff, and he
Speaker 1: decided that wasn't challenging enough at some point in his life,
Speaker 1: and so he went shooting a piece of wood with
Speaker 1: a string tied to it, trid archeries all that, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't that's too technologically advanced. And so this year
Speaker 1: he started shooting homemade broadheads out of rock and other stuff.
Speaker 1: And so Clay going deep human on us. He's going backwards,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like where everybody else is
Speaker 1: like acceptance of technology, Clay is fighting against technology for him,
Speaker 1: and he's going backwards. But what a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know is Clay was doing that a long time ago,
Speaker 1: because before before fulsome points and spears and all that,
Speaker 1: you had to just catch it with your bare hands
Speaker 1: and eat it, right. I mean, that's that's the most
Speaker 1: primitive thing you can do, is just go catch it
Speaker 1: with your bare hands. Right. Well, I've seen him in action,
Speaker 1: or at least i've seen him attempted in action. And
Speaker 1: uh Now, seriously, though, Clay and I went to college
Speaker 1: together from northwest Arkansas, and the weather up there is
Speaker 1: a lot different than it is here. It's only a
Speaker 1: hundred and what probably thirty miles, but it's like you're
Speaker 1: in a whole another part of the country. Uh, the
Speaker 1: elevation is a bit higher, but we get lost. Snow
Speaker 1: went up there absolutely. So I was out of college.
Speaker 1: You were, you were married, You're probably still in college.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you and Misty were I think your prey
Speaker 1: grove at the time. And Clay, we we get about
Speaker 1: a six inch snow north Starksa. Clay calls. He says, hey, man,
Speaker 1: let's go hunting. Let's let's go to this management area
Speaker 1: that's kind of outside of town here, and let's go
Speaker 1: get in the stand. You think we'd kill some deer
Speaker 1: up there, And I said, man, I think we can.
Speaker 1: I think we can hunt the edge of these This
Speaker 1: management area had these planted food plots, green as they'd be,
Speaker 1: you know, just gorgeous places. I thought that we go
Speaker 1: up there and hunt those food plots. One of us
Speaker 1: get shot at a deer. Clay's like, man, I got
Speaker 1: a buddy named Josh Barger wants to go with us.
Speaker 1: You don't care if he goes. I say, heck no,
Speaker 1: more of the merrier and better chances of shooting something.
Speaker 1: So Clay has this old jeep, the jeep chair held
Speaker 1: jeep cherit thin of thingfu only burnt to the ground
Speaker 1: or something. Don there caught fire or something. No, no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that one. Not that it did catch on
Speaker 1: fire one time, but it didn't burn it the ground.
Speaker 1: I drove it the years after that, ye burn it
Speaker 1: half burnt to the ground. Anyway, we we load up
Speaker 1: and we go to this management area, and really it
Speaker 1: seems like I remember right when we're driving through that thing.
Speaker 1: We're putting the first tracks on the ground, and that thing,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody had driven through it. I mean
Speaker 1: nobody had been out. It's January, probably late January, and
Speaker 1: it is cold. I remember it being like once it
Speaker 1: isn't the teens when we got up there, and so
Speaker 1: you and Josh had this idea they're gonna go hunt
Speaker 1: the edge of these food plots and closer were you
Speaker 1: gonna get. And I said, you know, I know this
Speaker 1: game trail that I hunt there in the fall that
Speaker 1: is headed to one of these food plots. I think
Speaker 1: I'll just hunt that. And when I tell you it's
Speaker 1: right on the side the road. It is literally fifty
Speaker 1: yards from the main road, but you can't see it.
Speaker 1: You can't see where the spot is it's real steep
Speaker 1: off the side the road there. It's on the way
Speaker 1: in there. Clay just dumps me out, and him and
Speaker 1: Josh they go on. And so I get up in
Speaker 1: a tree, and evening goes along long, and I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing anything well right at dark, I looked down this
Speaker 1: trail and here comes a whole bunch of does and
Speaker 1: year ones. And that's just what I'm looking for. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for some meat, you know. So here
Speaker 1: comes I pick out this lead though. She comes down
Speaker 1: the trail just like I've just like I imagined it
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. I come to full draw. Dough walks
Speaker 1: out there, maybe twenty yards, probably not even twenty yards.
Speaker 1: I shoot, and when I shoot, I don't know what happens.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I couldn't tell you what happens. I
Speaker 1: know I had every bit of clothes I owned on.
Speaker 1: I know I was just overdressed because it's cold. I
Speaker 1: don't know if my strain, my sleever, what. But I
Speaker 1: shot this dear about four or five inches further back
Speaker 1: than what I wanted. I'd liver shot her, I thought
Speaker 1: I did. That's what the arrow looked like to me
Speaker 1: when I shot her. Well, she just wheels out of
Speaker 1: there and runs back down the trail the way she
Speaker 1: came in. Steve doesn't have his head sat and Steve,
Speaker 1: but you gotta stand up for your grandpa. You gotta say, see,
Speaker 1: I tell you that, yeah, shooting in the wrong spot.
Speaker 1: So anyway, what I what my eyes saw was that
Speaker 1: I shot the deer a little too far back, I thought.
Speaker 1: So I sat till dark and I get down and
Speaker 1: I walk out there. My arrow looks great, and there's
Speaker 1: lots of blood. Of course, it's snow on the ground,
Speaker 1: so you can just you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: don't have to look for it. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: on the snow. You can sit it real good. So
Speaker 1: I walked back out to the road and I wait around,
Speaker 1: and it's a while before Josh and Clay come by.
Speaker 1: And when they pull up, they have seen, if memory
Speaker 1: serves me correct, together saw like fifty deer between the
Speaker 1: two of you. Well, and plus what I saw, I
Speaker 1: saw a thirty three deer from the stand that day.
Speaker 1: And then Josh saw like in the teens, I want
Speaker 1: to say, and I saw five. I think it's altogether
Speaker 1: it was over fifty deer we saw from the stand
Speaker 1: one evening and they're going on on about it, and
Speaker 1: I said, boys, i've only seen five, but I did
Speaker 1: shoot one. Man Josh didn't get one. Nope, they didn't
Speaker 1: shoot one. But they've seen a bunch. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: I've shot one, clays like you did. And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: said I don't know that I hit her all that great.
Speaker 1: I'm not real sure. Here's my arrow. We looked at
Speaker 1: the arrow Clays like, man, arrow looks good. You know,
Speaker 1: we're all we're we're feeling like maybe it's better than
Speaker 1: I thought. So it's been a couple of hours probably
Speaker 1: since I shot her, and so we elect to go
Speaker 1: down and just kind of get on the blood and
Speaker 1: see what the blood looks like, how good the blood trailers.
Speaker 1: So we get down there in the snow and we
Speaker 1: walked down through there and we don't walk very far.
Speaker 1: I want to say, we walk about forty yards maybe fifty.
Speaker 1: And it's dark. It's real dark. We've all got I
Speaker 1: don't think we had headlines back then. We just had
Speaker 1: these old you know, the best flashlight you could buy
Speaker 1: that would fit in your pocket, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't real great flashlights. But we're going out
Speaker 1: there and we shine up the trail there where this
Speaker 1: blood trail is going, and there's a set of eyes
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at us in the dark. And Clay goes,
Speaker 1: there she is right there. She ain't dead, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: dang it, no, she's not. What do you want to do?
Speaker 1: We sit there for a minute. Clay goes, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what we're gonna do. And I said, well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. He goes, We're just gonna take off and
Speaker 1: just jump on that bit. And I said really, and
Speaker 1: Clay He's like, yeah, man, let's just let's just bull
Speaker 1: rush her. She was right there, and I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna let this stair get away. I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know about all that. I've never done this before,
Speaker 1: you know. And I said, Clay, man, wherever you think.
Speaker 1: He's like, man on the count of three, let's just
Speaker 1: go jump on her. And I said, all right, So
Speaker 1: we won to threat and we take off. Clay's in
Speaker 1: the lead, Josh right behind him, and me right behind Josh,
Speaker 1: and we're running through the snow in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night. I mean, it's not the middle of night.
Speaker 1: It's probably m We're running out there there, it's dark.
Speaker 1: We're crashing off down through there, and the deer just
Speaker 1: just runs off. I mean just you know, like the
Speaker 1: deer's like you idiots, you know, and just takes off
Speaker 1: and runs off the end of this ridge. And Clay
Speaker 1: and Josh right after, I mean, like like dogs on
Speaker 1: a rabbit. And I realized right quick that this was
Speaker 1: a bad plan, and so I just pulled up there
Speaker 1: and let them go. And I'm watching them guys run
Speaker 1: out of sight down this in the light. All you
Speaker 1: can see is is like lights bouncing off down through
Speaker 1: there in the light. We're about to catch it. And
Speaker 1: I sitting there looking at that, and I just looked
Speaker 1: toward in my left and there's my deer laying there.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I yelled, no, of course, they're in the
Speaker 1: they're in the heated race. Man. They don't even hear me.
Speaker 1: So they finally they realized they got enough stamming at
Speaker 1: the brother's dear dad and man, sorry, dude, they're down
Speaker 1: the butt of this ridge. I said, I said play
Speaker 1: and he's like yeah, and I said, man, the deer's
Speaker 1: right here. So anyway, they turned around you're not that
Speaker 1: she didn't go. Yeah, it was a great It was
Speaker 1: a great shot. The shot was better than what I
Speaker 1: thought it was. Anyway, she didn't go anywhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was dead within thirty seconds and me shooting her.
Speaker 1: I'm sure this happen. H play catching animals. You know
Speaker 1: he caught that turkey that time. He's chasing alive, dear,
Speaker 1: not even shot. Well, we're riding four wheelers and I
Speaker 1: got this high performance deal and plays plays driving it
Speaker 1: as fast as it'll go. And uh I topped the
Speaker 1: hill on a little slow four wheeler and looked down
Speaker 1: and the four wheelers looked like he'd been in a round.
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was in front of Dad
Speaker 1: riding his real fast Yamaha three for the Banshee. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the slow four wheelers are in the back. Me
Speaker 1: and brother in law, we're running slow. I topped the
Speaker 1: hill and there's my clay baby down there with fenders
Speaker 1: laying in the road. Man, I'm thinking he's he could
Speaker 1: be dead, you know. So I'm rushed down here, jump off,
Speaker 1: I'll get the looking for and he's about twenty yards
Speaker 1: away in a creek with the dough And when this
Speaker 1: pocket knife, and boy, he's got that sucker. He finally
Speaker 1: cuts her throat and we water up, put her on
Speaker 1: the back of the fourth Winter and take her to
Speaker 1: a buddy Mine's house and drop it off. But we're shocking.
Speaker 1: There was a little more to this. No, I was
Speaker 1: I was riding. I really don't know how fast I
Speaker 1: was going. I was going fast, I mean I wanted
Speaker 1: I said fifty miles an hour. Maybe I wasn't going
Speaker 1: that fast fast. And I never saw the deer. I
Speaker 1: just felt something just slam into me in the four wheeler.
Speaker 1: And this is what's fortunate about it is that she
Speaker 1: didn't get caught up, like I didn't hit her in
Speaker 1: the front. If I had hit her in the front,
Speaker 1: she'd got underneath me done like Andy and Gary. But
Speaker 1: they but the fourther it felt like it just scooted
Speaker 1: over two ft. It just bam hit me, and it
Speaker 1: just and I just skid on the brakes and I
Speaker 1: turned around and there's this dough flopping around on the
Speaker 1: road and their fenders slam all over. And the only
Speaker 1: thing I knew to do was killer was to go
Speaker 1: after and so we did. Hey, what was what was
Speaker 1: really strange about that? Is probably a month before that,
Speaker 1: I was on the same benchie and I was running
Speaker 1: it as hard as you can run out of a trail,
Speaker 1: at least fifty five maybe more. And a deer jumps
Speaker 1: out right smack dab in front of my stinking four
Speaker 1: wheeler and it it looked like a cardboard box here
Speaker 1: and it comes out in my right tire hits it
Speaker 1: and it slings to me like this my tire, my
Speaker 1: wheel into the tire. I'm running down your knee into
Speaker 1: the tire like I'm not just about off. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying, okay, this is my first big wreck.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay down and roll, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: going sevent I'm just gonna lay down a roll in
Speaker 1: the ground, I said, Lord, if you get me up,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this thing just hops back and
Speaker 1: drops into a soft ditch, slows down. Everything's cool. The
Speaker 1: guy I'm riding with finally catches up, and you know,
Speaker 1: we came home two weeks later, which is which is
Speaker 1: wild that you didn't just ars hole in my gene. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they have it all right together. Yeah, all these you know,
Speaker 1: all these deers are riding. We get we get too
Speaker 1: deer there and yeah a month, well, we've had lots
Speaker 1: of surprise endings on this one. These were good editions.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it, enjoyed it, yea.
Speaker 1: And all the stories that you guys and other people told,
Speaker 1: we're really really great. And I meant what I said.
Speaker 1: I think these stories we take it for granted because
Speaker 1: it's what we do all the time. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what all right are. These stories are are really deeply
Speaker 1: meaningful to us as humans. That's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to say in these things, even dear stories, even funny
Speaker 1: stories there there, they're significant. And uh, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: appreciate it, guys. Glad to thank for haavens. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: keep the will places wild, Keep the wilds.