1
00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400
Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

2
00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720
Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

3
00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,719
Speaker 2: Welcome Ack in now number three Clay Travis Buck Sexons Show,

4
00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,760
Speaker 2: Monday edition of the program. I appreciate all of you

5
00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,680
Speaker 2: hanging out with us. There's been a lot of news

6
00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,640
Speaker 2: that we've been tracking throughout the course of the show.

7
00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 2: Let me just hit a little bit of it with

8
00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,680
Speaker 2: you right off the top. Jim Jordan potentially could become

9
00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,919
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House Ohio congressman.

10
00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,360
Speaker 1: You have heard him many times on this program.

11
00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,800
Speaker 2: They are bringing it to a floor vote tomorrow at

12
00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,520
Speaker 2: noon Eastern. It is possible while we are live on

13
00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,000
Speaker 2: this show that we could have a new Speaker of

14
00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,520
Speaker 2: the House. Republicans seem to be coalescing around Jim Jordan.

15
00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,040
Speaker 2: I want to give you the latest on that he's

16
00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,640
Speaker 2: down to only needing a round ten votes. That's all

17
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,879
Speaker 2: that have not endorsed him publicly, and we are going

18
00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,479
Speaker 2: to be talking with Julie Kelly. There has been a

19
00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,840
Speaker 2: gag order imposed by Judge Chuckkin in Washington, d C.

20
00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,680
Speaker 2: On Donald Trump for his criminal trial against Jack Smith,

21
00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,120
Speaker 2: which is presently scheduled to take place on March the fourth.

22
00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,360
Speaker 2: This gag order raises all sorts of complicated legal issues.

23
00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:11,040
Speaker 2: And if you are a young person out there listening

24
00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,840
Speaker 2: to us, and I know there are a lot of you,

25
00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,840
Speaker 2: a lot of the rush babies continue to listen in

26
00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,720
Speaker 2: their cars, and you're interested in the practice of law,

27
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,360
Speaker 2: I can tell you as a sitting attorney that truly

28
00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,160
Speaker 2: so many of these issues that we are facing and

29
00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,320
Speaker 2: are going to face over the next year, not only

30
00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,240
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump, but also with Joe Biden and the

31
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,840
Speaker 2: classified document investigation which appears to be picking up attention

32
00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,480
Speaker 2: that Robert hr is conducting as the Independent Council, with

33
00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,760
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, with pardons in general. Buck, we are rapidly

34
00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:53,040
Speaker 2: approaching one of the most uncertain, tumultuous periods in the

35
00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,280
Speaker 2: history of the nation on many fronts over the next

36
00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,000
Speaker 2: thirteen months, and they're so little precedent to even point

37
00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440
Speaker 2: to that predicting exactly what is going to happen is

38
00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,559
Speaker 2: vert certain, not even factoring in the health of Joe

39
00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,640
Speaker 2: Biden or the health of Trump or the unknown unknowns

40
00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040
Speaker 2: out there there, They are very real.

41
00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,400
Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest challenges that people can

42
00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,040
Speaker 3: already foresee with all of this is we talk about

43
00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,320
Speaker 3: the precedents and the Rubicon crossing and all of this stuff.

44
00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,480
Speaker 3: Going forward after this election, there will be an ability

45
00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,800
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, forget about beating this guy

46
00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,520
Speaker 3: the old fashioned way. By convincing more people to vote,

47
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,800
Speaker 3: maybe we can get a partisan hack DA somewhere, or

48
00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,240
Speaker 3: maybe we can get some really ambitious federal prosecutor to

49
00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,200
Speaker 3: bring charges against against the other guy. And this has

50
00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,160
Speaker 3: been going on for some time, and I think that

51
00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,040
Speaker 3: that's to the detriment of the country, that this.

52
00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,320
Speaker 1: Is where where we are, where we are heading.

53
00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,040
Speaker 3: Also, Clay, if I could, I wanted to point out

54
00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,919
Speaker 3: that the left wing protesters and all the stuff, it's here,

55
00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,800
Speaker 3: It's also in the UK, it's in Australia, it's in

56
00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:10,639
Speaker 3: a lot of the Western world.

57
00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:11,840
Speaker 1: These people that are coming forward.

58
00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,799
Speaker 3: Over the weekend, Bill Maher on his show, I think

59
00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160
Speaker 3: he had a moment where, you know, because I've been

60
00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,919
Speaker 3: saying that this is a faction that exists within the

61
00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,560
Speaker 3: Democrat ranks and has for a long time, which is

62
00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,960
Speaker 3: definitely true, and that it comes from a combination of

63
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,880
Speaker 3: their anti racism, anti colonialism, and anti semitism. It really

64
00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,520
Speaker 3: brings together a bunch of these different ideas right. They

65
00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,480
Speaker 3: would say they're not anti Semitic, but I'm here to

66
00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,840
Speaker 3: say they are. Bill Maher is kind of like, WHOA.

67
00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,960
Speaker 3: The left wing anti Semite faction is not necessarily very small?

68
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:51,280
Speaker 1: Is it?

69
00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,920
Speaker 4: Religious tolerance that doesn't exist in guys, you were the

70
00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,440
Speaker 4: Muslim or an Infidel, and you better be a Muslim.

71
00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,520
Speaker 4: Pedophilia I'll put that under don't am child brides and

72
00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,480
Speaker 4: so forth. Equality of the sexes I'll categorize out under

73
00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,960
Speaker 4: don't make me laugh. The fact that you know, these

74
00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,320
Speaker 4: people think that this is where they should be aligned with,

75
00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,360
Speaker 4: that these are the values that you support.

76
00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,320
Speaker 5: I think this this past week has been a real

77
00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,239
Speaker 5: important moment for moral reckoning on the American left because

78
00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,160
Speaker 5: there is a small, and I'm going to emphasize that,

79
00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,800
Speaker 5: a very small, but growing, an extremely loud faction on

80
00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,400
Speaker 5: the American left that has revealed its.

81
00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,159
Speaker 4: I don't know how to be anymore.

82
00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I don't think it's small. I

83
00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,599
Speaker 1: think it's pretty I think we're talking.

84
00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,920
Speaker 3: Fifteen percent, ten percent of the of the Democrat base,

85
00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640
Speaker 3: maybe twenty percent of the Democrat base. I think it's

86
00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,200
Speaker 3: twenty percent. You know, which is which really aligns with

87
00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,080
Speaker 3: the far left. I think the radical left is overwhelmingly

88
00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,280
Speaker 3: anti Israel and anti Semitic, and I think that there's

89
00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,240
Speaker 3: a moment here, there's a gut check moment for lot

90
00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,440
Speaker 3: of people, because if you cannot see, if you cannot

91
00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,440
Speaker 3: see this issue with some moral clarity, given what just

92
00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:14,080
Speaker 3: happened to Israelis, to women and children and defenseless civilians,

93
00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,920
Speaker 3: what can you see with moral clarity? I mean you

94
00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,440
Speaker 3: start to ask the question, like what what would have

95
00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,800
Speaker 3: to happen for there to be condemnation of Hamas from

96
00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,880
Speaker 3: some of these people. If you're not going to condemn

97
00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,720
Speaker 3: Hamas and its actions after this, someone's now that person's

98
00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 3: not condemning Hamas no matter what they do.

99
00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,480
Speaker 2: Hamas would have to have a faction of white supremacists.

100
00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's ridiculous to kind of mock, but

101
00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:46,599
Speaker 2: if white people had been responsible to doing to Jews

102
00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,200
Speaker 2: what Hamas did, Joe Biden would have called out the

103
00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,760
Speaker 2: National Guard and the FBI would have been knocking on

104
00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,600
Speaker 2: doors and dragon people who voted for Donald Trump out

105
00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,240
Speaker 2: of their house even more than they're already doing that.

106
00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,200
Speaker 3: You're actually also pointing out something with this which is

107
00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,640
Speaker 3: that part of the a big part of the way

108
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,360
Speaker 3: the left frames the issue of Israel Palestine is it's

109
00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:15,479
Speaker 3: is it's white, white against brown oppression. Israelis first of all,

110
00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,200
Speaker 3: they're over a million Arab Muslims living in and there's

111
00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,000
Speaker 3: there's actually there's Christian Arabs as well, but living in

112
00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,240
Speaker 3: Israel proper and happily doing so right.

113
00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,239
Speaker 1: They're owning businesses and they're living, you know, center voting.

114
00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:36,320
Speaker 3: Yes, there's there's also a whole range of ethnicities within Judaism.

115
00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean there's Ashkenazi Jews, there's Mizrahi Jews, There's there

116
00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,000
Speaker 3: Ethiopian Jews. There's all these different category and these are

117
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,039
Speaker 3: people of very different ethnicities and skin colors, depending on

118
00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,760
Speaker 3: you know, who we're talking about. But the binary of

119
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,679
Speaker 3: white oppressor and brown victim is central to the left

120
00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,840
Speaker 3: categorization of the Israeli Palasadians. I've met, I mean, I've met

121
00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,080
Speaker 3: Palestinians with red hair and blue eyes, by the way,

122
00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,240
Speaker 3: who are as white as you and I. Yeah, So

123
00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,800
Speaker 3: it is not as simple as people want to do.

124
00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,760
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy even talking about it in that context,

125
00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,240
Speaker 3: but that's they make it. In the left in this

126
00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,560
Speaker 3: country views this through a racial lens, which is why

127
00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,400
Speaker 3: they are it's so impossible to get them to look

128
00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,840
Speaker 3: at some of the realities and nuances and truths of

129
00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,360
Speaker 3: the issue.

130
00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,640
Speaker 2: Buck, I felt like I looked into the future because

131
00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,200
Speaker 2: I saw this all happen in sports.

132
00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,040
Speaker 1: If you were a black quarterback. Rush saw it a

133
00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,840
Speaker 1: long time ago.

134
00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,400
Speaker 2: Remember when Rush got absolutely castigated. He went on ESPN

135
00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,360
Speaker 2: and talked about Donovan McNabb and his opinion was considered

136
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,520
Speaker 2: unacceptable to have. And I saw it happen in sports,

137
00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,720
Speaker 2: where a story would happen, and in sports media the

138
00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,880
Speaker 2: prism under which it.

139
00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,200
Speaker 1: Was analyzed would entirely be race based.

140
00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,760
Speaker 2: You saw this happen to you, the thing you've probably

141
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,240
Speaker 2: gotten the most criticised for in two and a half

142
00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,840
Speaker 2: years on this program. For people who don't remember it,

143
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,239
Speaker 2: this was probably like what the first couple of months

144
00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:07,960
Speaker 2: we did the show.

145
00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Clay, say, let me.

146
00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,960
Speaker 3: Run across the middle through a wobbly pass and let

147
00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,720
Speaker 3: me just get my clock cleaned. But I'm very supportive

148
00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,640
Speaker 3: of and attuned to people dealing with mental health issues.

149
00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,600
Speaker 3: I think of it as as important and the same

150
00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,400
Speaker 3: as physical health issues. I cast no judgment on anyone

151
00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,920
Speaker 3: whatsoever for their mental health struggles. I think everybody should

152
00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,800
Speaker 3: view it the same way that you would.

153
00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,520
Speaker 1: You know, you know you would. You wouldn't mock somebody

154
00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,200
Speaker 1: if they had the flu. Why would you mock them

155
00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,640
Speaker 1: if they're dealing with, you know, being bipolar or whatever.

156
00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,560
Speaker 3: So that all said though some own Biles had pulled

157
00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,320
Speaker 3: out of an event for mental health issues, and they

158
00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,920
Speaker 3: were just saying that it was super.

159
00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,400
Speaker 1: It was super brave and courageous and courageous.

160
00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,760
Speaker 3: And and all I said at the time was I

161
00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,920
Speaker 3: was like, I mean, I support her pulling out if

162
00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 3: she's having issues, but I mean, I don't know if.

163
00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,440
Speaker 2: This you would never say if somebody had a broken leg,

164
00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,360
Speaker 2: it was courageous that they didn't play and participate, right, like,

165
00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,000
Speaker 2: make whatever choices you want.

166
00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,040
Speaker 1: But the idea that this is in some.

167
00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,040
Speaker 2: Way not competing by your own voluntary choice is in

168
00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,800
Speaker 2: some way courageous and heroic or brave was crazy. And

169
00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,920
Speaker 2: I actually got criticized of that on the Bill Marshow

170
00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,679
Speaker 2: now you're bringing it all full full circle. So what's

171
00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,840
Speaker 2: interesting about this too is if some own Viles was

172
00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,080
Speaker 2: not black, I think that story would have gotten a

173
00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,679
Speaker 2: pinprick of the attention because people in sports lined up

174
00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,800
Speaker 2: and they said, as it's as if she's.

175
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,240
Speaker 3: A female superstar athlete, probably the greatest gymnast of all time.

176
00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,000
Speaker 3: But there is a political incentive to push the oh

177
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,640
Speaker 3: she's so brave as well, and also.

178
00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280
Speaker 2: She's getting attacked because she's a black woman, and oh,

179
00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,880
Speaker 2: a white guy said it, And so you're not allowed

180
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,559
Speaker 2: to have an opinion on a sports related issue based

181
00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:51,679
Speaker 2: on what your own identity.

182
00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm not just pointing to you.

183
00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,080
Speaker 2: This happens all the time in sports, and I saw

184
00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,480
Speaker 2: it happen and I couldn't believe that it was happening.

185
00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,720
Speaker 2: Where suddenly you could and say, hey, I think that

186
00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,640
Speaker 2: guy is not a very good quarterback without people saying, oh,

187
00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,079
Speaker 2: you're just saying that because he's black.

188
00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,240
Speaker 3: We also have a conception in this country. You know,

189
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,400
Speaker 3: we talk about anti colonial and you know, the anti

190
00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,920
Speaker 3: colonial aspect that's really for college campuses, the anti Semitism

191
00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,160
Speaker 3: component that's people understand that's been around for well for

192
00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,240
Speaker 3: a very long time. But but there's also the islamophobia

193
00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,480
Speaker 3: residual concept of Islamophobia, where the belief somehow is that

194
00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,120
Speaker 3: while Islam has a couple of billion adherents globally. Is

195
00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,240
Speaker 3: it is a religion of the oppressed. This is what

196
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,640
Speaker 3: is believed in the West, which is remarkable because you

197
00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,600
Speaker 3: sit there and you say, isn't this the largest single

198
00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,960
Speaker 3: religious faith tradition on the planet and has many, many, large,

199
00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,400
Speaker 3: incredibly powerful states that are entirely devoted to it. You know,

200
00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:48,960
Speaker 3: you go down the list, you say, this is a

201
00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,960
Speaker 3: religion of the oppressed in the Western mindset, because Islam

202
00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,439
Speaker 3: is not a majority in the United States, and because

203
00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,960
Speaker 3: this concept of Islamophobia, which I think is meant to

204
00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,160
Speaker 3: avoid some uncomfortable discussions about what was going on within

205
00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,280
Speaker 3: the Islamic faith, particularly in the nine to eleven era

206
00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,319
Speaker 3: and beyond uh that that you know, residual that that

207
00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,640
Speaker 3: continued approach to the issue is why you just can't

208
00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,680
Speaker 3: get people to see that what they're what they're supporting

209
00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,720
Speaker 3: with hamas is is it's bad. I mean, it's it's

210
00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:23,720
Speaker 3: isis level stuff.

211
00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:24,120
Speaker 1: It's a ka.

212
00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,320
Speaker 2: They can't get past the race as an angle. They're

213
00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,720
Speaker 2: going to support the brown person against the white person,

214
00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 2: no matter what the facts are.

215
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,200
Speaker 1: And this is why the Muslims against and the Muslims

216
00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,400
Speaker 1: against that's that's yeah.

217
00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,280
Speaker 2: That's also do people who are on the far left

218
00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,600
Speaker 2: have any idea what Muslims actually believe. That's what's always

219
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,960
Speaker 2: been like staggering to me, because there is and what's

220
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,520
Speaker 2: interesting about this buck is it's only the race.

221
00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a.

222
00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 2: Huge antipathy on the left towards the Christian faith, which

223
00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,959
Speaker 2: is far more freeing Christian and embracing of their political

224
00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,520
Speaker 2: ideals than the Muslim faith ever would.

225
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,320
Speaker 3: And Christian persecution in the Middle East, particularly the last

226
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,599
Speaker 3: twenty years in countries like Iraq and Syria has been horrific.

227
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,480
Speaker 3: There's there's been effectively an extermination effort among jihadists to

228
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,040
Speaker 3: get rid of there are very old Christian communities stretching

229
00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,240
Speaker 3: back to I mean like as old as Christian communities

230
00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,360
Speaker 3: can be in some of these places. There's a Chaldean

231
00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,600
Speaker 3: Christians and Assyrian Christians, and these are our different sects

232
00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,680
Speaker 3: in the Middle East, and they have been effectively wiped

233
00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,800
Speaker 3: out of some areas of these countries. And you won't

234
00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,120
Speaker 3: hear the left talk about that at all because they

235
00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,600
Speaker 3: think of Christians as you know, as evangelicals in Texas

236
00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,600
Speaker 3: who have too many guns and are you know, doing

237
00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,000
Speaker 3: bad things.

238
00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,760
Speaker 1: They don't understand people. Yeah, well, and they think of

239
00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,720
Speaker 1: it just as white people. They understand. There are there

240
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,960
Speaker 1: are Arab Christians that are and.

241
00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean the first some of the first Christians would

242
00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,400
Speaker 3: be you know, they're kind of Arab or from the region,

243
00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,800
Speaker 3: depending on who you're talking talking about. So I think

244
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,360
Speaker 3: it's interesting, you know, you look at there's even Coptic

245
00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,199
Speaker 3: Christians in Egypt, one of the oldest Christian communities in

246
00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,960
Speaker 3: the whole world, also under a lot of pressure from

247
00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,760
Speaker 3: Muslim brotherhood groups and others. So they view this as

248
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,800
Speaker 3: as though, Clay, this is what I wanted to say.

249
00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,160
Speaker 3: Everything that is wrong in Gaza, if you speak to

250
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,600
Speaker 3: a leftist, everything it's a the way it treats its

251
00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:28,040
Speaker 3: own people, the corruption, the violence, the dysfunction, the celebration

252
00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,559
Speaker 3: of martyrdom as suicide bombers, and all of it. The

253
00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,760
Speaker 3: left says is Israel's fault. It's all Israel's fault somehow.

254
00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,080
Speaker 3: Everything that happens in Gaza, the fact that you know,

255
00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,560
Speaker 3: it's an economic basket case, the fact that there's no

256
00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,880
Speaker 3: rule of law, the fact that it's human rights to.

257
00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,240
Speaker 1: Be it's all Israel's fault. That's what the left says.

258
00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,040
Speaker 1: Have you seen a few people in the protests in

259
00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,040
Speaker 1: favor of Hamas and Palestine with the LGBTQ YEP for

260
00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,600
Speaker 1: Palestine signs? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I would not go

261
00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,520
Speaker 1: well and go for them. Uh Miyat Khalifa, I think

262
00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:03,600
Speaker 1: is how you pronounce her name.

263
00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,400
Speaker 2: She is the porn porn I've heard. I've heard that

264
00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,280
Speaker 2: she is quite a popular porn performer. She came out

265
00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,800
Speaker 2: in favor of Palestine, and I think I I think

266
00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,960
Speaker 2: I responded to We had an OutKick story of about it.

267
00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,200
Speaker 2: I was like, do do you think that she would

268
00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,360
Speaker 2: be well received in Gaza? She literally had sex and

269
00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,960
Speaker 2: a hijab uh. I don't think on a camera. I

270
00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,160
Speaker 2: don't think that that would be very well received in

271
00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,880
Speaker 2: Palistine Now about a bunch of them have seen it,

272
00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,800
Speaker 2: but I don't think publicly that would be very well received.

273
00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,440
Speaker 1: These people are crazy.

274
00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 2: Every time you use a credit card online, you're taking

275
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,760
Speaker 2: another small chance with the safety of your online identity.

276
00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,600
Speaker 2: Online identity theft most often done by cyber hackers crack

277
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:51,320
Speaker 2: cracking into a computer UH and stealing your information. If

278
00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,920
Speaker 2: they're not going after the database, they're trying to plant

279
00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,880
Speaker 2: malwell malware on your device by sending you an email

280
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,600
Speaker 2: you might click on text message.

281
00:14:58,720 --> 00:14:59,560
Speaker 1: You know how it works.

282
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,360
Speaker 2: The end result is a cyber hacker pretends to be

283
00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,280
Speaker 2: you online, making off with your money your identity one

284
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,920
Speaker 2: way or another. It's important to understand how cybercrime and

285
00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,400
Speaker 2: identity theft are affecting our lives. Protecting your identity can

286
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,880
Speaker 2: be easy with LifeLock twenty four to seven systems. Look

287
00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,800
Speaker 2: for evidence your information is being used without your permission,

288
00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,440
Speaker 2: and if you become a victim of identity theft, a

289
00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,960
Speaker 2: dedicated US based restoration specialists will work to fix it.

290
00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 1: Easy.

291
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,400
Speaker 2: To help protect yourself with LifeLock, join now and save

292
00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,520
Speaker 2: twenty five percent off your first year with promo code

293
00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,600
Speaker 2: Clay one eight hundred LifeLock. You can go online to

294
00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,680
Speaker 2: LifeLock dot com and use the promo code Clay for

295
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,400
Speaker 2: twenty five percent off.

296
00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,240
Speaker 6: Those Gaza refugees, Palsen and Arab should go to Arab countries.

297
00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,960
Speaker 6: The US should not be absorbing any of those, and

298
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,120
Speaker 6: I think if we were to import large numbers of

299
00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,680
Speaker 6: those to the United States, I think it would increase

300
00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,960
Speaker 6: anti Semitism in this country and I think it would

301
00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,960
Speaker 6: increase anti Americanism in this country.

302
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,040
Speaker 4: But no one's talking about getting Gazen refugees here right now.

303
00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,440
Speaker 1: They can't even get out of Gaza at the moment. Well,

304
00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,320
Speaker 1: people have mentioned it.

305
00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,200
Speaker 6: I think some of the far left have said this

306
00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,280
Speaker 6: is something that we should do. The US has done

307
00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 6: similar things in the past, and so I just put

308
00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,320
Speaker 6: my stake in the ground. That's where we're going to be,

309
00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,080
Speaker 6: and I think that everyone running for president on the

310
00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,680
Speaker 6: Republican side should follow suit.

311
00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,120
Speaker 3: Ron de Santa's governor Florida there saying no Gaza refugees

312
00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:25,000
Speaker 3: in America also play either. About three hundred Americans evacuated

313
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,280
Speaker 3: from Israel as part of a program set up by

314
00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,200
Speaker 3: the governor of Florida to get planes over there and

315
00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 3: get people out.

316
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just another example of I think DeSantis doing

317
00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,560
Speaker 2: the right thing, and I wish Biden were doing a

318
00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,960
Speaker 2: better job of getting Americans out, but so far that

319
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000
Speaker 2: hasn't happened. And I think the numbers what to twenty

320
00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,000
Speaker 2: nine Americans that are dead, we still know some of

321
00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,240
Speaker 2: them are hostages. It's a devastating attack that didn't just

322
00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,920
Speaker 2: impact Israel, and as I read more, and more of

323
00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,240
Speaker 2: the stories about this attack, it becomes even more barbaric

324
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,280
Speaker 2: than I already thought it was.

325
00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,440
Speaker 3: There are I believe one hundred and fifty hostages is

326
00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,120
Speaker 3: the number that's been reported that are being held in

327
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,240
Speaker 3: Gaza right now under a.

328
00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,520
Speaker 1: Thread of their lives.

329
00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,720
Speaker 3: With th under thread of execution and the Israeli offensive

330
00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,560
Speaker 3: as it goes it we it's gonna be look for,

331
00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,080
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a rough, a rough few weeks here,

332
00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,880
Speaker 3: I think. So we'll continue to cover it and we'll

333
00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,520
Speaker 3: bring you all that we can on what's going on.

334
00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,560
Speaker 1: All right, switching gears here.

335
00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,600
Speaker 3: If you have any money in the markets, pay close

336
00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,400
Speaker 3: attention to a new patent pending artificial intelligence that has

337
00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,919
Speaker 3: just discovered a sixty day pattern in the crypto market.

338
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,160
Speaker 3: According to this AI, which is powered by the same

339
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,320
Speaker 3: kind of award winning tech that's behind other leading AI software,

340
00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,440
Speaker 3: the next couple of months are critical. Most people won't

341
00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,560
Speaker 3: know what to do, but if you know, you're so

342
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,200
Speaker 3: much further ahead in this process. The project is called

343
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,920
Speaker 3: Conan coo na N See it for yourself online at

344
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,919
Speaker 3: Conan twenty twenty three dot com. Check out this AI

345
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,959
Speaker 3: in action for yourself and sixty days from now, your

346
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,199
Speaker 3: financial life could be very different.

347
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,399
Speaker 1: There could be mad Mar implications here for you.

348
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,560
Speaker 3: The website is spelled co Naan twenty twenty three dot com.

349
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,560
Speaker 3: That's Conan twenty twenty three dot com. Once you see

350
00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,359
Speaker 3: this AI, it may really change the way you invest.

351
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,320
Speaker 1: Go check it out. Conan twenty twenty three dot com.

352
00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,200
Speaker 1: Paid for by Palm Beach Research Group.

353
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,040
Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are

354
00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,199
Speaker 2: joined now by our friend Julie Kelly, who is doing

355
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 2: some of the best work out there in the entire country.

356
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,120
Speaker 2: She runs Declassified with Julie Kelly the Substack.

357
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,600
Speaker 1: She also has good taste in steak.

358
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 2: And bourbon, based on the photos that I see her

359
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,200
Speaker 2: occasionally post on social media when she is not covering

360
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 2: all the insanity in our court system.

361
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,160
Speaker 1: All right, so let's start here, Julie.

362
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,240
Speaker 2: For our audience out there, we filled them in on

363
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,800
Speaker 2: the gag order that Judge Chuckkin has put in place.

364
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 2: I believe you are in DC right now. What does

365
00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 2: this mean? What is the impact? Should everyone know about

366
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 2: what happened earlier today?

367
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 7: So, first of all, I want to say the coverage

368
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 7: that indicates that This is somehow a limited or narrow

369
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 7: gag order is pure bs from the news media, who

370
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 7: is doing nothing more than DJ and Judge Chuckkins water carrying.

371
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,680
Speaker 7: It is not by any stretch limited or narrow in scope.

372
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 7: We're talking about an unprecedented order from Judge Tanya Chuckkin,

373
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,679
Speaker 7: appointed by Barack Obama. Quite frankly not born here. She

374
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 7: came here as an adult to go to law school,

375
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 7: and now she is silencing. For the first time ever

376
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 7: this has happened, silencing a presidential a former president, a

377
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,800
Speaker 7: now presidential candidate from speaking about the very same prosecutorial abuse,

378
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 7: an election interference that prompted d ok to go after

379
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 7: him in the first place, telling you, you guys know,

380
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 7: and I'm so grateful for you guys covering my work.

381
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 7: I've gone to a lot of trials, a lot of

382
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 7: court hearings, my jaws always on the floor when I

383
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 7: see what's happening in the DC courthouse. But today just

384
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 7: took it to an entirely different level. And to hear

385
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 7: this Department of Justice prosecutors and Judge chuck Him discussing

386
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 7: what they believe Donald Trump should be able to post

387
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 7: on social media what he should and shouldn't be able

388
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 7: to say about Joe Biden or the DJ, or Jack

389
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 7: Smith or people who live in Washington, d C. It

390
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 7: was a surreal experience.

391
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 1: Today, Julie.

392
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 3: I really appreciate your work and thanks again for being here.

393
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: I just got to ask you the question that Klay

394
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 3: and I were dealing with before, which is, what do

395
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: you think happens if Trump violates this gag order?

396
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 1: Because we both think Trump's going to violate the gag order.

397
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,719
Speaker 7: Well, look, here's the thing. He probably will violate it,

398
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 7: and it may not even be intentional. The frightening part

399
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 7: about this order, you guys, is that there's no clarity

400
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 7: on exactly what a disparaging or inflammatory post would be.

401
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 7: It's all subject to Judge Chutkin, a highly biased, by

402
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 7: the way, far left radical judge who has already expressed

403
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 7: biased comments about Donald Trump in other J six proceedings.

404
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 7: So it's up to her interpretation. So that is going

405
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 7: to be the gray area here, and my expectation is

406
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 7: that this DOJ and Jack Smith will just continually file

407
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 7: motions for contempt against Donald Trump for any comments that

408
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 7: he makes about the case, etc. What they did discuss

409
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 7: today and they didn't resolve is what the penalties will

410
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 7: be and what Assistant US Attorney Molly Gastone, who by

411
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 7: the way, was one of the two prosecutors who refused

412
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 7: to prosecute Andrew McCabe line to the FBI under oath,

413
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 7: she suggested things like signs moving up the trial date

414
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 7: in even something like home detention. This is the slippery

415
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 7: slope where we are. This is not the final stage

416
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 7: of this. This is only the beginning of how this

417
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 7: DOJ with Judge Chuck Hint, is going to not just

418
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 7: continue to silence Trump, but seek penalties in contempt of court,

419
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 7: of vihilations against him and then further curtail his freedom

420
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 7: of speech and political activity.

421
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 2: Julie, do you get any sense for whether this case

422
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: is likely to start on March fourth or not? And

423
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: the reason why I asked that, obviously is we're in

424
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: the middle of the Republican primary season still on March fourth.

425
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: But if it happens on March fourth, then they could

426
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: potentially get a verdict on Trump before.

427
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: The actual election takes place. Do you and your talks.

428
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: Get any update on I mean, less than six months

429
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: I think from now would be the start of this

430
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 2: trial whether that's the expectation.

431
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 7: Judge Tutkins said a few times today that she is

432
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 7: not going to be moving the trial date. Of course,

433
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 7: John Lauro, Trump's attorney, said the solution to all of

434
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 7: this is to postpon it until after the election, and

435
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 7: she would interrupt them and make clear, no, I'm not

436
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 7: moving this trial date. But as we've discussed before, and

437
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 7: we're getting closer to a decision by the Supreme Court,

438
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 7: if they if they take up this obstruction of an

439
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 7: official preceding count fifteen twelve C two, which really represents

440
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 7: the heart of Jacksmith's bocount indictment against Donald Trump, if

441
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court signaled that they're going to take that up,

442
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 7: they want to look at the DC Circuit, the appellate

443
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 7: court ruling that allowed this to continue for JA six cases.

444
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 7: Jack Smith is going to be put on notice that

445
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 7: one or maybe two because there's also a fifteen twelve count,

446
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 7: there's two fifteen twelve counts. One or two of the

447
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 7: counts half of his indictment could be upended by the

448
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 7: Supreme Court. What does he do then? Does he proceed,

449
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 7: does he add charges? Does we've talked about I still

450
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 7: think that's a possibility a superseding indictment. He still has

451
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 7: not indicted the other six co conspirators that he named

452
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 7: in the original indictment. A lot of things can still

453
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 7: happen between now and then, So it looks like, for appearances,

454
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 7: they're trying to act like this March twenty twenty four

455
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 7: trial date is going to happen. I just don't see,

456
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 7: with all of this going on and this big question

457
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 7: mark with the Supreme Court of one of those four counts,

458
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 7: that this actually will happen on you know, five months

459
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 7: from now.

460
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: Is it going to happen next year, Julie, Is the

461
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 3: DC trial going to occur in your mind before the election?

462
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 7: Yes, that I believe that it will. Whether it's you know,

463
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 7: won't be March. It could be moved, like, you know,

464
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 7: another month or two. It could be in the summer.

465
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 7: And I know everyone is thinking, well, you can't do

466
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 7: that in a present metal election. You know, DJs guidelines

467
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 7: say nothing. This is a rogue courthouse. Okay, there are

468
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 7: no rules that apply, there's no law that applies. We

469
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 7: saw the Constitution once again totally desecrated in this courtroom today,

470
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 7: and Judge Chudkin is so gratified by her role here.

471
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 7: She's constantly interrupting the defense team. She's pointing at him,

472
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 7: at John Lauro, raising her voice at him. They're getting

473
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 7: into these political semantic debates. This is not about protecting

474
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 7: the process. It's certainly not about protecting the defendant, which

475
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 7: is the judge's job. By the way, she is supposed

476
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 7: to protect the defendant from government overreach. She is nothing

477
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 7: more than another prosecutor. She's another prosecutor for the government side.

478
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 7: She's protecting none of Donald Trump's rights. And so that's

479
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 7: sort of the situation where we are. And so given

480
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 7: that it's hard to see that this trial commences in March,

481
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 7: but certainly in twenty twenty four, and they could just

482
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 7: move it to maximize more political damage against Trump.

483
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: Julie, what do you think the Supreme Court justices are

484
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: thinking here?

485
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: Because let me just kind of paint the picture for

486
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: people who.

487
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: Haven't spent a lot of time in DC, the DC

488
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: legal universe is actually very small, both in terms of

489
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 2: numbers of people involved, but also just in terms of

490
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: physical distance. It isn't very far from the courtroom where

491
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: you're sitting in DC to the Supreme Court they would

492
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: have tons of optics on everything that's going on with

493
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: this Trump case. Is there any possibility the Supreme Court

494
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: could get involved? I know you talked about a couple

495
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: of these different counts, but and I know there was

496
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: emotion filed. Maybe I should lead with that part of it.

497
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: There was emotion filed recently essentially arguing that everything Trump

498
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: did is a part of the job of a president

499
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: and therefore he's not able to be prosecuted based on

500
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: the civil standard that was put in place as associate

501
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: to Richard Nixon. Do we get any sense that the

502
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: Supreme Court may step in here and actually stop this

503
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: trial from ever happening.

504
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 7: I just have no faith that that would be the case.

505
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I think we've all been somewhat disappointed in

506
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 7: the outcomes by the Supreme Court related to the twenty

507
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 7: twenty election and other matters. My belief is that people

508
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 7: like John Roberts and even Brett Kavanaugh will be very

509
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 7: resistant to doing anything that will be that will appear

510
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 7: that they're siding with Donald Trump. And to your point,

511
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 7: exactly why you know this Federal Court House is just

512
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 7: a few blocks away from the Supreme Court. These judges

513
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 7: are all in cohoots with each other. You know, they

514
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 7: all live in the same neighborhoods DC as a relatively

515
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 7: small town, smaller city. Most people live outside in the suburbs.

516
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 7: So you know, when you call it the swamp or

517
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 7: Donald Trump did, that's actually a nice word for it.

518
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 7: So I don't see that happening. The question now that

519
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 7: I'm getting and John Laura, Trump's defense attorney, did justice

520
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 7: that they would be appealing this gag order. Yeah, this

521
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 7: is breaking new ground. So if it goes to the

522
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 7: DC Circuit, will they reverse this? Probably not, But then

523
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 7: I believe obviously the next step would be the Supreme Court.

524
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 7: But the question is what does Trump doing the interim?

525
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 7: Does he abide by this gag order or does he

526
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 7: openly violate it and sort of see what doj and

527
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 7: Judge Chuck Kim will do from there. I don't know.

528
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: I think he's going to openly violate it and see

529
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: what they do. That would be I would bet a

530
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: lot of money if you gave me odds on that. Okay,

531
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 2: last question for you, Julie, I appreciate all the work

532
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: you're doing. Again, encourage you to all go follow Julie

533
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: Kelly on Twitter. I just retweeted her. If you're following me,

534
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: you'll see her there. As we look forward for the

535
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: potential March trial date, there are also still these other

536
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: moving parts. You've got the South Florida trial, You've got Atlanta,

537
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: you've got.

538
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: New York City.

539
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 2: They're all kind of held in abeyance. Do you think

540
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: jack Smith is going to get the first bite at

541
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: the apple, so to speak, that regardless of what the

542
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: timing is going to be, that everybody else is clearing

543
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: the way for him to go first.

544
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 7: I believe so, because this is the easiest one, right,

545
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 7: this is the layup, not only because of the charges,

546
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 7: you know, very nebulous charges that with very low burden

547
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 7: of proof. In Jacksmith's indictment, you obviously have a judge.

548
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 7: The judges decide what the jury is going to hear

549
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 7: and see. Right, so we already know we could tell

550
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 7: that she is going to allow the government to present

551
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 7: to the jury whatever they want, and she's going to

552
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 7: prevent Donald Trump's defense team from presenting evidence to the jury.

553
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 7: That's a lot of what these judges have been doing

554
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 7: in January sixth cases. But the big lynch pin is

555
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 7: he's going to go before a jury made up of

556
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 7: residents who live in an almost one hundred democratic city

557
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 7: that have open contempt for Donald Trump, particularly related to

558
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 7: the events of January sixth. This is going to be

559
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 7: an easy conviction. And so yes, to your point, I

560
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 7: think they are clearing the decks for this to move forward,

561
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 7: whether it's March as they said April May. You know,

562
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 7: this will be the easiest conviction for any of these

563
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 7: prosecutors to get.

564
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, I know I said last question,

565
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: but I've asked you this before, but I just can't

566
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: get past how crazy it would be. Of the trials

567
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: that you have seen, what percentage of defendants who are

568
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: convicted are taken into custody.

569
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 7: That are immediately taken in Yes, let's see. I would

570
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 7: say just a handful that they are taken into custody

571
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 7: upon a guilty verdict, and that's awaiting their sense.

572
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think if they got the guilty

573
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: verdict against Trump, what would be the immediate response, because

574
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 2: this is all crazy, but I'm just curious, based on

575
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: your experience, what the hypothetical would look like.

576
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 7: I mean, they very easily could if he gets a

577
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 7: conviction on any of those counts asked for him to

578
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 7: be taken into custody. They just did that with seven

579
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 7: pro life activists, including women in their seventies, who are

580
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 7: riding in that DC gulag. Now that's what the Department

581
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 7: of Justice did. So I think that's an excellent question

582
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 7: and a very real possibility. But in the interim, what

583
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 7: is this gag order going to result in? Could that

584
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 7: result in something like home detention, home incarceration occurs? You

585
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 7: you know, could she throw them in jail on a

586
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 7: few contempt convictions? So it is I mean, I'm laughing.

587
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 7: I shouldn't be laughing, but it's really anything goes. But yes,

588
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 7: after a conviction.

589
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: It's all Banana Republic level nonsense. Julie Kelly, keep up

590
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: the good work. We appreciate you. We'll talk to you

591
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: again soon.

592
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on, guys, I really appreciate it.

593
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: That's Julie Kelly. A lot of you out there, by

594
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: the way, listen to me right now. You got old

595
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: family memory shoeboxes full of pictures, ho about old VHS tapes.

596
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: You know, those VHS s tapes not designed to last

597
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: very long. As you come closer to Thanksgiving, get a

598
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: little bit closer to Christmas. Certainly a lot of you,

599
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: I bet have some really great family photos of the

600
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: costumes that you all wore back at Halloween. Why not

601
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: preserve those forever? Get a digital copy thanks to Legacy Box.

602
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Right now you can go to legacybox dot com slash

603
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Clay get two hundred photos scan digitally preserved forever starting

604
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: at just nineteen ninety five. Don't let time fade your

605
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: family photographs. Digitize them this fall with Legacy Boxes. Help

606
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: take advantage of the offer right now, every photo hand

607
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: transferred and return to you along with new digital files. Again,

608
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: the pricing is low as seven cents per photo. Go

609
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: to legacy box dot com slash Clay. That's a Legacy

610
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: box dot com slash clay Peek out with the guys

611
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.

612
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: A new episode of Every Sunday.

613
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get

614
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.

615
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck at

616
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: a duck out a few minutes early Today'll be back

617
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: with me tomorrow and we are going to be in

618
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: d doing our show Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. You can

619
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: listen to us in the DC area on one of

620
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: our newest affiliates, one oh four point seven. I believe

621
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: in the DC market we will be up there. Cannot wait,

622
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: And as we mentioned, we may well get a speaker tomorrow.

623
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: As friend of the show, Jim Jordan is coalescing all

624
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: of the support and it appears tomorrow at noon the

625
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: votes may be there to name him the next Speaker

626
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: of the House. So that is obviously going to be

627
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: an interesting experience tomorrow, as the voting will be going on,

628
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: we'll break all that out for you and discuss all

629
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: those details I want to mention to you in the

630
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: next hour or so, I'm about to do something I've

631
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: never done before. I Am going to begin the training

632
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: of my fifteen year old to how to drive a car,

633
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: so he now has his learners permit. It's crazy to

634
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: me that I have a kid who's old enough to

635
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: drive a car. I can't believe that I have reached

636
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: this stage of life. But Ali was suggesting, and I

637
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: think it's a good idea. If you have any tips

638
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: for me that you found to be particularly successful, as

639
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 2: it pertains to teaching your kids how to drive a car,

640
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: I could certainly use them again. He's on the learner's

641
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: permit stage can get his driver's license. The rules and

642
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: laws I know are different everywhere. I think you have

643
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: to have a learner's permit for six months in the

644
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: state of Tennessee where I live, and then you're eligible

645
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: to go get your driver's license. I don't remember what

646
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: the rules were back in the day, and what's kind

647
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: of crazy. I know everybody thinks younger generations things are

648
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: changing a lot. When I was turning sixteen, everybody out

649
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: there wanted to get their driver's license as close to

650
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: their sixteenth birthday as possible, and you would actually keep

651
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: track of when one of your friends was getting closer

652
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: to sixteen if they had an early birthday, a September, October, November,

653
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 2: December style birthday. In that first semester your sophomore year

654
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: where suddenly you can start to drive a car and

655
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: you get that freedom.

656
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: Kids are nowhere near.

657
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: As excited now to get their driver's license. I think

658
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: because so much of their life has moved online, that

659
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: they aren't as socially active because they can FaceTime, because

660
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: they can snapchat and TikTok and all this other different stuff.

661
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: They don't get together face to face as often as

662
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: teenagers wanted to do back in the past. But in

663
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: one hour's time, I will become a driving instructor, so

664
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie a little bit apprehensive about how

665
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: this is gonna go.

666
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: So I'm underway.

667
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: I would appreciate all of your words of wisdom and

668
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: advice as this process plays itself out. We're not gonna

669
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: get on the roads or certainly the interstate yet. I

670
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: think I'm going to be in some parking lots for

671
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: a couple of days at least before we get out

672
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: onto the road. Appreciate all of you listening. I want

673
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: to tell you as always, go subscribe to the podcast.

674
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: You can give us five stars. Search out my name

675
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: Klay Travis, search out Buck Sexton. We can't wait to

676
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: get up to DC. See a lot of you up

677
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: in the nation's capital who are listeners on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

678
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: But tomorrow same BAT time, save BAT channel. We'll hang

679
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: with you. Hopefully a speaker coming