WEBVTT - How Segways Work: The Luke Arm Update

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology. What's tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot Com. He there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren foc Obama. Hey, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we doing today? Okay, it's kind of it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a long story, all right, so let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's gather around the camp fire children. We're gonna hear

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<v Speaker 1>the story right now the Internet campfire. Yes. So, back

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<v Speaker 1>on March, we published an episode called How Segways Work,

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<v Speaker 1>which turned out to be about a lot more than

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<v Speaker 1>just segways. We told the story in this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Cayman and eccentric millionaire inventor. Not unlike Tony's Stark,

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<v Speaker 1>he bought his own island. This one time, his own

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<v Speaker 1>hype worked against him. When the very brilliant but very

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<v Speaker 1>simple People Mover the Segway premiered, yep, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go way way back. Yeah, that wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first time we ever talked about Dean came to the

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<v Speaker 1>A eight. Chris and I did a fifteen minute long

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<v Speaker 1>episode that's how far back we're talking when when I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to only say things in fifteen minutes called

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<v Speaker 1>how Dean came in works. I don't recommend that episode necessarily, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was before Chris and I really knew how

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<v Speaker 1>podcasting worked. But we we've talked about him a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times anyway. Uh. Yeah. In that two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight episode, you guys covered the Luke Arm a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>technically the Decca Arm after Dean came in's medical technology company,

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<v Speaker 1>Decca UM. But two thousand eight was the year that

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<v Speaker 1>the Luke Arm came out of its funding period and

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<v Speaker 1>went on to clinical trials. And if you guys haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this thing, it's a robotic Pross thesis and

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<v Speaker 1>it was designed with funding from DARPA's Revolutionizing Prosthetics Program.

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<v Speaker 1>The the idea behind it sounds like science fiction, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a prosthetic arm that works basically like a biological arm,

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<v Speaker 1>translating signals from the person's muscles along with some some

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<v Speaker 1>foot button input to perform complex tasks. It's powered at

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<v Speaker 1>multiple joints. It has eighteen degrees of freedom, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not bad compared to a meat arms twenty two degrees

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<v Speaker 1>of freedom, and it weighs a little bit less actually

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<v Speaker 1>than the average biological arm. Yeah, and In fact, when

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<v Speaker 1>you say it sounds like it's science fiction, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why it's called the Luke Arm is that it is

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<v Speaker 1>really anyway, Yeah, it is. It is so nicknamed after

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<v Speaker 1>the character from Star Wars Luke Skywalker, who spoiler alert

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<v Speaker 1>loses a hand um and yes, gains a father and

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<v Speaker 1>also an incredible robotic hand that works magically, uh, exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like his real hand, almost as the actor did not

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<v Speaker 1>have his hand cut off but merely put on a glove. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is the Luke Arm that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about here. Not quite as spectacular as that, but still amazing. Oh. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's definitely enough to do an entire episode on uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and we want to do that episode in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, So news just dropped on that this arm

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<v Speaker 1>has been approved for commercial manufacture and sale by the

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<v Speaker 1>f d A, the Food and Drug Administration, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the governing body in the United States. It has say

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<v Speaker 1>over this kind of thing. So we wanted to share

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<v Speaker 1>the story of who this Cayman person is and how

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<v Speaker 1>he got into the medical tech business. So we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a dreaded and or savored update episode. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to replay for you how segways work. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I I hope I didn't really listen to it, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was from relatively early in my text up days,

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<v Speaker 1>so so I really hope it doesn't suck, you know. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I am confident that it is a strong episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So let us not worry about such things, Lauren. Let

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<v Speaker 1>us let us listen back on how segways work, and

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<v Speaker 1>when it's over, we'll come back and we'll wrap up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. We've got some more information for you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the segue, I think is where a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>no Dean Cayman like they they heard about it that

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<v Speaker 1>because of the segue, well it got it got a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal of publicity, which we will talk about later

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode. Because it was the hype for it

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<v Speaker 1>is can really only be called hype. It was very intent.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was like it was like if you

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<v Speaker 1>had heard that this rock and roll band that had

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<v Speaker 1>not released an album in like ten years was getting

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<v Speaker 1>back together to do their first studio album, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, in a decade, and that would that

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<v Speaker 1>would be kind of similar to the hype build up.

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<v Speaker 1>But not only were they going to do an album,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were going to revolutionize the entire music industry

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<v Speaker 1>with this album. That's the level. Yeah, that's fair. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that in a bit, but first we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to kind of talk about actually what it was

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<v Speaker 1>and how it worked. So if you were to look

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<v Speaker 1>at one of these things, in case you have not

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<v Speaker 1>seen it, it looks like a little two wheeled scooter,

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<v Speaker 1>but the wheels are are side by side. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>in line with one another. Their side by side. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you would stand on a platform with the left

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<v Speaker 1>wheel to your left, in the right wheel to your right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bar that comes straight up vertically from the platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Their handlebars handle bars that you hold onto, and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you when you lean, it moves. When you lean forward,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to move forward. When you lean backward, it stops.

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<v Speaker 1>If you lean back enough, it'll go backward a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's um and uh and and the new models

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<v Speaker 1>these days, when you tilt the handlebars, that is how

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<v Speaker 1>you steer. Yeah, and the original one, you would twist

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<v Speaker 1>one of the handlebars, the right handlebars, rapping a motorcycle

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<v Speaker 1>style exactly, and if you if you twisted, if you

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<v Speaker 1>twisted one way, it would turn left and you twist

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<v Speaker 1>the other way. It turns right, and the way it

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<v Speaker 1>turns is kind of cool. Uh. When you lean forward,

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<v Speaker 1>both wheels engage and start moving forward simultaneously. Correct. When

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<v Speaker 1>you turn, only one wheel starts to move in one

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<v Speaker 1>direction and the other wheel allows you to pivot on

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<v Speaker 1>on a dine right right. Yeah, it's a turning radius

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<v Speaker 1>of zero zero turning radius, which is pretty amazing. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about what he intended this device to do

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<v Speaker 1>in the second half, I think, but first we wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of talk about the actual technology that makes

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<v Speaker 1>this possible. And Uh, Dean came in. Before he had

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<v Speaker 1>gone into developing the Segway, had already started to work

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<v Speaker 1>on some pretty cool systems. He did some work on

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<v Speaker 1>on motorized wheelchairs that were capable of doing things like

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<v Speaker 1>climbing up staircases, and that work kind of led him

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea of what if I created a device

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<v Speaker 1>that could transport people at a good clip, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>make it so that it it works on the same

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<v Speaker 1>principle as what it's like when you're walking. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you're walking, Yeah, exactly, it works in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>feels natural to us. Although I will tell you the

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<v Speaker 1>first time you get on a segway, nothing feels natural

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I haven't actually been on one. You have,

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<v Speaker 1>I have, I've done, I've I've been on a segway.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed it. I had a great time. But

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever engaged in an activity where the first

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<v Speaker 1>up requires you to do something that feels totally unnatural

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<v Speaker 1>to you? So there's like your body is actually resisting

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<v Speaker 1>what you have to do. But basically that's me walking

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<v Speaker 1>every day. But I mean, but but for for example,

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<v Speaker 1>when I switched from a W A S D keyboard

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<v Speaker 1>uh First Person Shooters to Xbox controller, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this? See? For me, what I think of

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<v Speaker 1>is like the first time when I was a little

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<v Speaker 1>kid that I ever tried snorkeling, because I put my

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<v Speaker 1>face in the water and my body is telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>for goodness sakes, man, whatever you do, don't breathe. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you're underwater, and you know, my my reast of my

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<v Speaker 1>brain is saying, foolish, scary, reptile brain. That's not anything

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about. You have a tube to the air

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<v Speaker 1>which is unobstructed. You can breathe all you like. And

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<v Speaker 1>it took that leaped, not literally didn't literally leap, but no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get enough traction, but it took that mental

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<v Speaker 1>leap to get to a point where I felt comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Same sort of thing on a segue, because the way

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<v Speaker 1>it works is that you start to lean forward as

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to take a step, because basically what

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<v Speaker 1>walking is is controlled falling. Right, Yeah, You're you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the upper part of your body forward. You're you're

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<v Speaker 1>essentially unbalancing yourself and then counting on one leg or

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<v Speaker 1>the other hypothetically to catch right. Yeah, you just you're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly catching yourself with your legs. You're you know, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're walking at a good pace, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see people they're leaning into it and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>that weight is what's helping them propel forward. And then

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<v Speaker 1>they swing a leg out, which catches them, stops them

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<v Speaker 1>from falling, and they use that leg to push them forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the other leg and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's something that we once we start to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to walk, it just becomes natural to us. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't even think about it, right, right, Well, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of a really really intricate inner ear sensory

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<v Speaker 1>mechanisms to tell us when we're balanced and when we're

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<v Speaker 1>off balanced, and how everything is going. It's a really

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<v Speaker 1>it's such an automatic process that when you're not too

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<v Speaker 1>you're not thinking about it. Yeah. And what's also funny

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<v Speaker 1>is that that that same system of sensors that we

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<v Speaker 1>have in our brain. Well, two things are funny. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that a lot of that informed Dean Cayman

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<v Speaker 1>when he was designing the segue. He wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>a mechanical means to sort of recreate that. And the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing is that these sensors are not fails. There's

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're not foolproof. We we can fool ourselves. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is partially what leads us to things like motion sickness,

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<v Speaker 1>where we get one set of input from a set

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<v Speaker 1>of senses telling us one thing, and a different set

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<v Speaker 1>of input from other senses telling us another thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that that conflict makes our brains say, Okay, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you're gonna play it, we're losing lunch. That's it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who has suffered from from car sickness motion sickness

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<v Speaker 1>that way, strangely enough, never got s sick but I've

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<v Speaker 1>been motion sick from a car before. But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 1>the the they are foul, both these systems in our

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<v Speaker 1>our brains and in the segway. As it turns out.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dean came and wanted to create the segue in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way that it would require you to lean

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<v Speaker 1>forward as if you were going to take a step,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would be the indicator to move right and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then sort of trust the machine. I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that that's where you have your initial problem because you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're leaning forward and you're not catching yourself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you've already been told, You've already been told,

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<v Speaker 1>do not take your foot off the platform to step

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<v Speaker 1>and catch yourself, because then you run yourself over. So

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<v Speaker 1>not only do you not wear a helmet at the

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<v Speaker 1>time hypothetically, yes, I was wearing a helmet at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that was, that was a requirement. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that I was at Disney when I did this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at some park and I think it was Disney,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was it was not the full Epp Cut tour,

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<v Speaker 1>which we can talk about. I've got a little factoid

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<v Speaker 1>on that. Uh, there is a tour that very popular

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<v Speaker 1>tour at Epcot that uses segways. It was that it

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<v Speaker 1>was just a little like familiarize yourself with this technology thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I've always wanted to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when I tried it. So I've only done

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<v Speaker 1>at the one time, and I really would love to

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<v Speaker 1>have more time with it because it was an interesting experience.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, it requires you to move forward as if

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<v Speaker 1>you were going to take a step, but not take

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<v Speaker 1>your weight completely off your foot, just lean forward as

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<v Speaker 1>if you were about to start walking, and that makes

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<v Speaker 1>the segway go, which is kind of cool. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the way it does that is it has a complex

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<v Speaker 1>system of gyroscopes inside to kind of let it know

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<v Speaker 1>what orientation the segue is in relative to the ground. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It has five gyroscopes. In fact, technically it's really only

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<v Speaker 1>using three of them. Two of them are fail safes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, three of them are meant to detect things

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<v Speaker 1>like forward, leaning forward, leaning backward, and tilt to the

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<v Speaker 1>left or right. Right. Okay, but so so a gyroscope,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what a gyroscope is because a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit integral. Yeah. Um, so it's basically just a spinning

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<v Speaker 1>wheel inside of aim. Yeah, the frame itself is stable

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<v Speaker 1>and free. The spinning wheel as um. Well, it's rotating

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<v Speaker 1>around an axis, right, so you've got the access at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of the wheel. The wheel rotates and then

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<v Speaker 1>it was it resists changes forces that would change the

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<v Speaker 1>alignment of that gyroscope so well, because if you push

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the spinning wheel, it's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>transfer into it's it's called precessing. This is a really

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<v Speaker 1>this is an interesting thing. It's actually it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that's kind of difficult to explain in an

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<v Speaker 1>audio podcast. First of all, let me tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>at how stuff works dot com we have an article

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<v Speaker 1>on how gyroscopes work, which includes video showing what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to talk about. So if you have trouble visualizing

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm about to explain, despite the fact that we're

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<v Speaker 1>both gesticulating wildly, yeah, really, I mean, there's only so

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<v Speaker 1>much I can get across in radio, right, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can go there and look it up. But what the

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<v Speaker 1>gyroscope does is this whole thing of recessing is imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that you have a bicycle wheel suspended from a string,

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<v Speaker 1>some strings tied to the ceiling somewhere the bicycle wheels

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<v Speaker 1>hanging down the the string is tied to the axis

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<v Speaker 1>of the wheel, so it could still spin freely. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>got it. Now, if you were to align that wheel

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<v Speaker 1>so it's vertical relative to the ground, so the wheel

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<v Speaker 1>is as if it was on a bicycle that you

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<v Speaker 1>were riding down the streets. Okay. The string is tied

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<v Speaker 1>to one side of that axis, so there's a string

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming down on one side of the access. The

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the access doesn't have a string tied

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<v Speaker 1>to it, so there's nothing to keep it vertical. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were to just let go, that wheel would flop

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<v Speaker 1>down into the horizontal uh formation. It would just be

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<v Speaker 1>parallel to the ground. Correct more or less. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were to turn it vertical and then start spinning the wheel,

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<v Speaker 1>it would remain vertical, really, and it would slowly begin

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<v Speaker 1>to rotate around the string. So that's the precession, is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's rotating around a different access perpendicular to the

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<v Speaker 1>one of its main motion. Now is it staying vertical

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to flopping over? The reason for that is

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<v Speaker 1>that if you were to uh apply a force to say,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you've got the bicycle wheel spinning in your arms. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're holding me, You're holding the axis in front

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<v Speaker 1>of you, and the wheel is vertical, and you've got spinning.

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<v Speaker 1>You can do this. I've seen science museums that have

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<v Speaker 1>had this where you sit in a swivel chair and

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<v Speaker 1>you hold the bicycle wheel in front of you, like

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<v Speaker 1>you extend your arms out so that the wheel can

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<v Speaker 1>spin freely in front of you. If you try and

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<v Speaker 1>tilt that wheel, you'll feel resistance. And the reason for

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<v Speaker 1>that is that imagine that, uh, you know, take a

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<v Speaker 1>still image, like you're able to freeze time. Okay, I can, so,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well that's good, And you're going to tilt

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<v Speaker 1>the wheel so that the top of the wheel from

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<v Speaker 1>your perspective, would be moving to the left and the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the wheel would be moving to the right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're tilting it on a diagonal. Okay. Now, as that

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<v Speaker 1>wheel is spinning the point where you would be turning

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<v Speaker 1>it to the left, that that's you're replying a force

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<v Speaker 1>to that section. So imagine imagine a spot at the

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<v Speaker 1>very top of the wheel, at the vertical apex of

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<v Speaker 1>that wheel. Okay, that's where you're applying the force to

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<v Speaker 1>move to the left. Now the wheel is actually spinning.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we were to jump ahead twenty frames, now

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<v Speaker 1>the point is directly in front of the wheel. It's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer at the top. It is rotated around to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the front, and uh, it still wants to

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<v Speaker 1>go toward the left. Go ahead another twenty frames. Now

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<v Speaker 1>the point is at the bottom of the wheel. It

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<v Speaker 1>still wants to go to the left. But the force

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<v Speaker 1>you're applying is trying to make the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>wheel go to the right. So the force you're applying

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to push the wheels direction in one way.

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<v Speaker 1>But because that reference point was at the top at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning and it's still trying to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>left from when you were applying the force at the

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<v Speaker 1>very beginning, those two forces cancel each other out. It

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<v Speaker 1>resists the force to make it move in a different direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, then you also have the precession. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're singing a swivel chair, you start to spin around.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of fun. Uh, this is a great cheap

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<v Speaker 1>way to entertain small children. Um. Anyway, it's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>just an interesting fact of physics is that the gyroscope

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<v Speaker 1>in this this stable frame will react in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>But so okay, So, so the point of gyroscopes being

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<v Speaker 1>in devices like this is that if you measure the

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<v Speaker 1>position of the spinning wheel inside of its frame, you

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<v Speaker 1>can determine the the pitch and the pitch rate. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're looking at like the the frame itself can

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<v Speaker 1>move freely within the confines of whatever it is you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking talking, right, whether it's it could be a segue,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be an airplane, it could be a phone

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<v Speaker 1>um and so it can move freely within that context.

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<v Speaker 1>And it maybe a solid state drive, as is the

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<v Speaker 1>case with the segue, may not be an actual physical gyroscope.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll we'll get into that in just a second, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, but if you're able to do that in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way, then the gyroscope and the pitch detection

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<v Speaker 1>will allow the will give enough information so that some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of processor can take that information in and know

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<v Speaker 1>what orientation the segue is in relative to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>So by detecting these changes and by detecting the forces

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<v Speaker 1>that are enacting upon these different gyroscopes, the segue can

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<v Speaker 1>interpret that and say, oh, I should engage the motor

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<v Speaker 1>to drive forward, or I should stop, or I should

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<v Speaker 1>move back move backward exactly, or I should I should

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<v Speaker 1>probably put up at a warning because this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>really leaning over a bit too far right right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but so so yeah, So the kind of gyroscopes that

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<v Speaker 1>are that are in a segue. Are these solid state

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<v Speaker 1>angular rate sensors? Yes, that that are basically the way

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<v Speaker 1>that I understand. It's a little silicon plate. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I actually said that the correct way the

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<v Speaker 1>first time. Yes, you did silicon not silicone. You're exactly right,

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<v Speaker 1>two separate issues. Um. And so it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>silicon silicon plate mounted on a support frame. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you run. You run an electrostatic current across the plate

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<v Speaker 1>and wiggles the silicon particles around and makes the plate

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole vibrate in a very predictable way. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And when there's a physical change in the forces, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>when you've tilted in some way. Yeah, yeah, when when

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<v Speaker 1>you physically move the plate on its access axis. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>talking is great. The particles suddenly shift and the vibration changes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And by changing of vibration, you know that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>change in the state that you are in, whether that's

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<v Speaker 1>a tilt or you know, whatever other thing you might

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<v Speaker 1>have this gyroscope, and but in the case of the segue,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about specifically the tilt of the segue itself. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you hook a computer up to this, that

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<v Speaker 1>can measure the precise change, right and interpret it exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So if it says like, oh, it's changed a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>like the vibration has changed a little bit, indicating that

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<v Speaker 1>the person is starting to lean forward time to engage

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<v Speaker 1>the motors. If it's changed a lot, it might mean

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<v Speaker 1>that the person has leaned forward pretty hard, which indicates

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<v Speaker 1>that you should move at a faster pace. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've got these motors that will engage in order to

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<v Speaker 1>activate the wheels, and the wheels begin to turn and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you get the motion. So the thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>keeping this all going is um. You know, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the gyroscopic sensors that's giving the information. But then you

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<v Speaker 1>have two circuit boards that have controllers on them as

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<v Speaker 1>ten microprocessors total in the original segue, and those microprocessors

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<v Speaker 1>are what's taking in all this information and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and translating it into action. Yeah. Yeah, that that first one. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>The microprocessors would check the position sensors about a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>times per second, that's right. Yeah, So that way it

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<v Speaker 1>can make sure that it's giving the right information to

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<v Speaker 1>the motors so that you're you're moving at the right

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<v Speaker 1>speed compared to how you are how you're physically manipulating

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<v Speaker 1>the segue right, right, it's it's also gotten there um

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of tilt sensors filled with electrolyte fluid, electrolytes

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<v Speaker 1>being of course what plants crave, thank you bondo, which

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<v Speaker 1>which is again just like your inner ear. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your inner ear has flu it in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what helps you determine what your orientation is relative

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<v Speaker 1>to your environment. This is why one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>why when people go up in the vomit commet, that's

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<v Speaker 1>why it's called that, because when you're in the vomit commet,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're the sensory information you're getting from your eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and from your your you know, what you're feeling is

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<v Speaker 1>so different from what your inner ear is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of when this fluid is something. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically you've just got this little sensor in your

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<v Speaker 1>head where you've got a level of fluid, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is how you calibrate yourself to the ground by based

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<v Speaker 1>on on where the fluid is tilting right and in

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<v Speaker 1>a freefall motion. That that information ends up being a

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<v Speaker 1>little weird, and so a lot of people end up

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<v Speaker 1>again losing their lunch, which is why they often refer

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<v Speaker 1>to the planes that take these these flights as the

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<v Speaker 1>vomit commet. Yeah, but it's interesting that the segue itself

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<v Speaker 1>has this electoral life. Not great, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about your segue losing its lunch. Don't worry about

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<v Speaker 1>that part. That part similar he has now ended. But

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<v Speaker 1>other than that, it is using a very similar approach

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<v Speaker 1>to detect tilt as the way humans do which again

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool that Dean came and is taking taking

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<v Speaker 1>direction from the way our bodies do stuff to help

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<v Speaker 1>inform him on the way he makes technology. I blame

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<v Speaker 1>it on his extensive medical background. Yeah, and again the

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<v Speaker 1>Luke arm another example of that. Right, he's taking that

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<v Speaker 1>that how do humans do things and how can we

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<v Speaker 1>make technology that emulates this? He was also when he

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<v Speaker 1>was in college, he was the first He invented the

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<v Speaker 1>first drug injection pump and later the first portable insulin pump,

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<v Speaker 1>which is part of how he made such huge amount

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<v Speaker 1>of money. And the cool thing to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's obvious that what drives him is a desire to

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<v Speaker 1>innovate and to help people, and he talks very passionately.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some really really good interviews with him will Lincome

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<v Speaker 1>on social where he's talking about watching people use his

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<v Speaker 1>inventions for the first time and and them kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people who haven't been able to move this

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<v Speaker 1>way ever and in some cases and them and just

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of pride and and just awesome that happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that that that is what what really

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<v Speaker 1>uh gives them an incentive to continue. It's pretty interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a really cool story. And in fact, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole section of the Segway story that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to get into, which involves the whole hype issue and

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about the the original Segue models

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<v Speaker 1>that came out and and some controversy that Segue has

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<v Speaker 1>had over the years. We'll talk about that in just

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, but first, before we do that, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break to thank our sponsored Let's segue back

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<v Speaker 1>into our episode. I couldn't resist and so just a

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<v Speaker 1>few more facts about the original segue. Keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>that they've made several different models over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>the segway's life, but the earlier ones they had a

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<v Speaker 1>top speed of about twelve and a half miles per hour,

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<v Speaker 1>which is around twenty kilometers per hour, right, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think in some other countries it was maybe

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen and a half. But but yes, yeah, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>all depended on well, I also depend on what which

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<v Speaker 1>model you had, because they did they did do a

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<v Speaker 1>range of them. We have an article on our site

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<v Speaker 1>how the segway works, and that one we specifically looked

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<v Speaker 1>at the segue HT, which was one of the earlier models. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It required about six hours of charging, It had a

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<v Speaker 1>range of around seventeen miles, which was about twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers and um. The current segways are called PT, which

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<v Speaker 1>stands for Personal Transporter, and they have a whole line

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 1>of them that do different things for for for like

0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 1>city travel versus off roads, versus security purposes. They've got

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.560
<v Speaker 1>one specifically for golf courses. Yep. They've got somewhere they

0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 1>have like all these containers on them so that you

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>can carry stuff, so if you have to transport things. Granted,

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>none of them are going to replace the minivan, so

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>soccer moms are not going to be able to I mean,

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess you can maybe tie a couple of of

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<v Speaker 1>uh red wagons behind and just like like a mama duck.

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I was really waiting for you to say, like small

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>children to the handlebars, and I was like, I don't

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>think I wouldn't. I wouldn't advocate that. I wouldn't advocate that.

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't advocate the wagons actually either that would be

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 1>a disaster. But anyway, Um, the the motors of those

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>early segues had about two horsepower worth of power and

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>had a two stage transmission with a twenty four to

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 1>one gear ratio with a helical gear assembly and it

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>was actually a harmonic assembly. Yeah. They they engineered it

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 1>so that the sounds that the two meshes in the

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>gearbox would were exactly two octaves apart, so they would harmonize. Yeah,

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interesting, some might say crazy. Um it

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>weighed the original the HT the one that we talked

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>about in our article, weighed about eighty three pounds, which

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.679
<v Speaker 1>is about thirty eight kilograms, and it could carry a

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>person of up to two hundred sixty pounds, which is

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>about hundred eighteen kilograms or for my friends in England

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:58.360
<v Speaker 1>eighteen and a half stone. Uh. It had two lithium

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>ion batteries to supply power rechargeable obviously you wouldn't want

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to have to PLoP out a different battery every fifteen

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>to seventeen miles or so um. And it used an

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 1>electronic key system with a bit encrypted digital code, so

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you had this key that would plug into It's sort

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>of like a little like like flash drive, except you

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have called it that then, because right you would

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 1>have called it, well, you could have called it that

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 1>then they'd had to flash at that point, but it

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>really wasn't. But it was a digital key that has

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>a hundred eight bit encrypted code on it, so that

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the segway will only work with that code and you

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about someone not necessarily not have

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 1>to worry about it. But if someone did run off

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>with your segue, they couldn't use it. They would have

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>to literally lift it up and move it away, which

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of defeats the point. Right. So that's that's the

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the basic model that we talked about in our

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.679
<v Speaker 1>in our not our podcasts our article. But there are

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.439
<v Speaker 1>quite a few other ones that are out now. Like

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I said, there's a the I two, which is your

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>basic normal terrain segue, and then there's the X two,

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>which the the off road the next to adventure X

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to adventure off road travel. Yeah, and they've even got

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>some that were you know, they worked with DARPA to

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 1>to design a kind of segue that was used as

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a platform for robotics. UM. They've worked they've created different

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>models like three wheeled and four wheeled vehicles based on

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the segway technology UM for various things. Here in Atlanta,

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.199
<v Speaker 1>we have Atlanta Ambassadors. These are people who are in

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>downtown Atlanta who often help out during big events, like

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>when when something's going on downtown and uh, you know

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be a lot of people there. Uh. These

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>folks are there to kind of help give directions and

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and you know someone's like, hey, I'm looking for the

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Georgia Aquarium. Where do I go from here? I was, Oh,

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 1>you need to walk down this two blocks and take

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 1>a left, that kind of thing. A lot of them

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>have segways, so I see them whenever I'm downtown for

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, Dragon con St. Patrick's Day Parade, which uh

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 1>at the time of this recording, will be in just

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.959
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days. Um So, but they have them.

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I've seen them in airports, a lot of airports have

0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>seen especially airport security on the these. I've seen police

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.639
<v Speaker 1>on these. Yeah. They were big at the Beijing Olympics.

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>In In fact, I want to say that, um that

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the most I well, I think the most I ever

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>saw at one point was actually at Epcot because, like

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I said, Epcot Center, uh not Epcot Center, they used

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to be called Epcot Center. I was there when it opened,

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>because as Lauren has pointed out numerous times, I'm old,

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>but I remember going to Epcot and seeing people on

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>these and that was probably the first time I set

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 1>them in person. But go back to when it was unveiled,

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 1>or even before it was unveiled. Came in actually came

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 1>up with the idea in the late nineties, like and

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>he had this idea of creating devices that could operate

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>on pedestrian sidewalks and paths. And in two thousand one,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the company that would become Segue broke ground on its

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing plant in New Hampshire, which is where Dean Cayman's from. Yeah,

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>they they broke around in February, and I think completed

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>it in November. Yep, yep, right in November December, and

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>they adopted the name Segue in December two thousand one.

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's actually when they unveiled the Segue, the first

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>models of it on Good Morning America, a television program

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a news oriented television program here in

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the United States. And I actually saw this. I saw

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the unveiling episode. You stayed home, stayed home from work.

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>You I didn't stay home from work. I delayed leaving.

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh Am I going to get in trouble. I mean,

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I haven't worked for this company in years. Two thousand one,

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I was not working for How Stuff Works, I was.

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I was not here. I was working for a totally

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>different company. I did drag my feet leaving the house

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that morning, because I knew that this was happening everywhere

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 1>in the news. It had been that there was going

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>to be this incredible, incredible device. And it had two

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>code names that I recall off top of my head.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>One was it right all caps, it like like a

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>very clown, and then the other one was Nice Pennywise.

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 1>The other one was Tim Curry, was the television ad

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>uptation um, Stephen King. The second one was Ginger Ginger, Yeah,

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and that was it was. It had been code named

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Ginger based on the fact that the wheelchair that Decca

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>had designed earlier was called Fred upstairs within the lab,

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>based on Fred a stair because they were they were

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>saying that it just dances right up the stairs and

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>there was a wheelchair that could climb stairs. Fred and

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 1>then Ginger and so and so Ginger. Of course Ginger

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>could do everything Fred could do backwards in heels. So

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>not that the segue necessarily did. But I it's just

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite little quotes, um um. But but so,

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a journalist had started writing this book called Code Named Ginger,

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was leaked at the beginning of two thousand one,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I think by Inside dot com. And this is I

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>think what really created all of this insane hype, because

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it was the book took such pains to not talk

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>specifically about what this machine did, but it was going

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>to change the world. And you get these quotes from

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.479
<v Speaker 1>people like like Steve Jobs that were like, this is

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be bigger than the PC, again

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>without it actually revealing what it was. Was that the

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 1>people who had found out about it said it was

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>going to be this phenomenal technology that was going to

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>fundamentally change the way we live, and and it was

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>built up so much. I mean, hype is seems like

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a like a good thing hypothetically. Well, I was going

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to say that hype is probably not even strong enough

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>in a word, considering that, you know, the deliverables that

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>were being promised on based on this technology that no

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 1>one outside of a very small group of people had

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>any knowledge about. People were saying that that cities were

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be redesigned around this thing, and and that

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>it was going to be bigger than the Internet. Yeah,

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and then Good Morning America had its unveiling, and before

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the show, I remember, like days before the show aired, Uh,

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>there were already rumors that it was going to be

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>some sort of motorized scooter device. And this was based

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>off patents that had been filed as well as Dean

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Cayman's previous work with the wheelchairs and things of that nature.

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>And so when it actually happened, like I was hoping

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 1>at the time that it wasn't going to end up

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>being a scooter because I was thinking, like, if it's

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.719
<v Speaker 1>something totally different, that's gonna be awesome. If it's a scooter,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 1>it's still could be awesome, but it's gonna be it's

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be as cool as if it were something

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>totally out of left field. And then I saw it

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, well, it's interesting, but is it really

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>going to change the world? And I understood what what

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>what they were going for. They were saying that, you know,

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>especially in cities, particularly in cities, which is where the

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>majority of people tend to live. Not that not that

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>there aren't plenty of people on rural area population density. Yeah, yeah,

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you've got very dense populations in cities that traffic is

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>a real problem. You've got people who are getting in

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>their car to go relatively short distances to do uh

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>basic stuff like here in Atlanta. Uh, there's thin We

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the traffic on the show about once every other episode,

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>and not just traffic though I was going to say

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>that we don't have like our our public transportation system

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 1>is not doesn't measure up to public transportation systems, and

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>some other cities like DC or New York or Chicago. Um, now,

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>we do have one and and you can use it,

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.479
<v Speaker 1>but it's just not ideal. It's not doesn't run as

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>frequently as some other cities, and it doesn't paces exactly.

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 1>So that means that if you want to get around

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta and you want to do it effectively, you pretty

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>much have to have a car. And the idea was

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that for cities like Atlanta and other cities that have

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>similar issues, the segue could end up allowing you to

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>go further than you would if you were on foot, uh,

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and not clog up all the streets. So it would

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>alleviate traffic problems. It would start because as an electric vehicle,

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>it does not actually generate eate any any greenhouse gases

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>or toxins. Although you could argue that depending on how

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the electricity was generated, that's still a problem. Is just

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>not being created by the vehicle itself. It's not direct.

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a couple steps, yeah, exactly. Um, but that would

0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 1>also be a thing, and that it would uh, you know,

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it could it could really be a big benefit. But

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>for that to work, you have to have an infrastructure

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that supports that kind of transportation, at the very least

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>of bike lanes or or really wide sidewalks, really wide sidewalks.

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>One of the big things that that Decca and we're

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>trying to do was create legislature that would allow the

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>segue to to go on sidewalks. They had huge pushback

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>from a lot of communities. I think that it's that

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>they're banned entirely on sidewalks in the UK. Maybe in

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>some places they are, I know in some cities. They

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 1>definitely are very state by state and municipality by municipality.

0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It probably doesn't surprise you to know that the first

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>state to legalize the segue on pedestrian sidewalks was in

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>fact New Hampshire, where the segue was located. It was

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>that that was passed into law on February two thousand two.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh. And it wasn't until November eighteenth, two

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>thousand two that segways went on sale to the public

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>for the first time on Amazon dot Com. Beyond that,

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got like two thousand five was when Disney World

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.520
<v Speaker 1>was introducing the Around the World at Epcot Segue Tour.

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>So for those who have not been to Epcot, it's

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>divided into two big sections. You have the Future World section,

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>where it's all about energy, and transportation and the things

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that are going to be important to us in the

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 1>years to come, and kind of the innovations that we

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>can expect, or maybe even stuff that you know is

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>really far out there and maybe it will never happen.

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>The other one is the World Showcase, which has it's

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>almost like a permanent World's Fair. It has uh has

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 1>different pavilions that represent various countries in the world, and

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>they are the around the World Segue Tour was a

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Segue tour that would take you around the World Showcase.

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>It was like a two hour long tour and it

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>would allow you to start to explore the World Showcase

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a couple of hours before it was open to the

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>general public. Because the way that Epcot works, or at

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>least it used to I assume it still does, is

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>when the doors would open, meaning that when they would

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>let you into the park, you could only go into

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.800
<v Speaker 1>the Future World part For the first couple of hours,

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the World Showcase would be held off and like like

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>if the park opens at eight am, then the World

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Showcase would open at ten. So this tour would allow

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>you to go through the World Showcase at eight am,

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to worry about running down Jimmy

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>who isn't paying attention because he wants a Mickey Mouse doll.

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>All right. Yeah, Disney has actually banned the use of

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:48.919
<v Speaker 1>segways other than in their tours. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah.

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>One of the problems that it's had with all of

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>this is that UM segways are not technically graded for

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>medical use. UM they are, although they can help people

0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 1>with disabilities move from one place to another. Because because

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Decca worked with Johnson and Johnson on some of their

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 1>UM some of the gyroscopic platform technology, Johnson and Johnson

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>actually owns that copyright and for for medical use. And interesting, Yeah,

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I did not know that. That didn't come up in

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.720
<v Speaker 1>my research. I know that on September fourteenth, two thousand

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and six, they actually issued a recall for twenty three

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand segus and that was that was all of them

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.800
<v Speaker 1>at that at that time because there was a software glitch,

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>and that software glitch would cause the wheels to occasionally

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and spontaneously reverse direction, which obviously that would be a

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>bad thing. I mean, imagine if you're writing on it

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 1>and you're not strapped into this thing, which you're not yeah, well,

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like the way I explained it to people, as

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I imagine you're walking down down the street and then

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 1>suddenly the ground underneath you shifts direction to opposite the way.

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, you would end up on your back pretty quickly.

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>And uh. In fact, there were people who fell off

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 1>the seguae, which you know, when when I was first introduced,

0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that was one of the big things that they were

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>saying that, you know, because of all the gyroscopes would

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>be really not that would be impossible, but it would

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>be hard. But then with this software glitch you know,

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>made it very easy to fall off a segue if

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it happened, and in fact, people ended up getting some injuries,

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>like some broken wrists and things like that. There was

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a smaller recall back in A two thousand three because

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 1>when the charge got too low, the segway would just

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>stop very abruptly and they had to you start tumbling

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 1>off the same sort of thing. Um, I know that

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>in in two thousand nine, Dean came and ended up

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>selling the company, and he sold it to Jim Hesselden.

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>The last name I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing correctly.

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure he was known as Jimmy Jimmy in

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the UK, and who's a guy who's a businessman and

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a philanthropist and really really known for his philanthropic endeavors.

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 1>And tragically in September he Hesselden died in an accident.

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>He actually he was on a segue and he ended

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>up falling off the edge of a cliff in a

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 1>wooded day. He was in one of the off road

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>segways and supposedly he encountered a walker on a path

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and uh and reversed to get out of the walkers

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 1>way and templed over. Oh I did not, I didn't

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.879
<v Speaker 1>see that. That's that's that's kind of unconfirmed. I think

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that I read that on like on like daily mail

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>or something. Yeah. So anyway, it was a tragic accident.

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It was a terrible thing, and uh, you know, I

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>cannot say for certain, but I have a feeling that

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that was part of what prompted segue to uh insert.

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>So if you go to visit the segway website, a

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>little segway safety pop up will appear and tell you that,

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, you need to review the safety procedures of

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and know how to write a segue in order for

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.959
<v Speaker 1>you to operate one safely. And so there's a there's

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 1>an actual pop up that will obscure your view of

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the Segue website until you, you know, dismiss it. And um,

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 1>they even have a full video that explains, you know,

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>how the segway works and the best way to operate

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 1>it safely so that you don't end up injuring yourself. Um.

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>And on February, Segue was acquired by Summit Strategic Investments

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>ll C, which is the current company that owns the brand.

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>And uh, yeah, that's that's kind of where we are

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>right now. Just just a few Actually, on this March sixth,

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>they announced the development of a three wheel security device

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>from planned to be coming out in Q four, uh

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 1>this this year. Um and yeah, I mean, you know,

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.919
<v Speaker 1>so it's a reading all about this kind of broke

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>my heart because because Cayman was so passionate about how

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>this this terrific device could really change the world and

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.399
<v Speaker 1>change people's lives and change our city scapes for the better.

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 1>And it fizzled so much. You know, it's we we

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 1>talked about how a company debuted in two thousand two,

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>they started selling the things in two thousand six, they

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>had only sold three thousand units. They were hoping to

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 1>have been selling forty thousand per year UM and you know,

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things happened. It was it's been a

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>tough time the past decade or so for consumer right. Yeah,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you've had economic downturns, You've had resistance on the part

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of many municipalities to allow the segue to travel along

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>things like sidewalks. There's also other just practical considerations. I mean,

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>obviously a segue is great if you happen to live

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.280
<v Speaker 1>in a place where the climate is nice and mild.

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>But if you are in a place that gets a

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of rain, segways not you. You're not going to

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>be covered in the rain. You're going to actually be

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>out there, and depending upon the segways made, it may

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 1>not operate so well right after a while, or you know,

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like I've flung out in New Hampshire. There are many

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>months in New Hampshire that I would not want to

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>be down sidewalk. Yeah. So there's there's lots of reasons

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>why the segway adoption may have been slower, and I

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>think the main one is just that, you know, we

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>were so far along in the infrastructure that we rely

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>on already, Like we're so dependent upon a certain way

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>for our cities to to work for us to get

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>around and comfortably, that to expected change in that is

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 1>a little on the optimistic side. It would require a

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 1>huge amount of effort, time and money, and and when

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I say a huge amount of time, I'm talking decades

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to really refit a city in such a way. So

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>it would be ideal for using something like a segue,

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 1>particularly if you're in a city that has a actually

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a fairly healthy pedestrian population, healthy and is in there

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people out there walking right, not

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>necessarily that they're all in great health. Atlanta not so

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>great for pedestrians, tent I would say, I mean pedestrians,

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 1>We have very few sidewalks outside of our main metropolitan areas.

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know, that's the other thing with these segways

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>is that I think that the concept was always for

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>them to be secondary to a car, to like, have

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a car and then have the segway in it, and

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, park the car somewhere and then take the

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>segway out and go about your business, right, or if

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.479
<v Speaker 1>you happen to live, like, you know, two miles away

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.959
<v Speaker 1>from a market. Then you can just for that, sure,

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>but you know, but when these units cost over five

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>grand to pop, yeah, and they weigh almost a hundred pounds,

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>then you know that's it's not easy to carry him around. Yeah,

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's one of me. So that's you know, yeah,

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that's right. See, it wasn't that bad as if we

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>just listened to it. Yeah that that was hypothetically terrific,

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's it's interesting. The Segway story certainly

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>had a tough road. Oh, you know, it was. It

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was one of those things. The Segway was one of

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>those things that that would require a massive change in

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure here in the United States in order for it

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to be a viable solution for a large part of

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the population. Right, I certainly can't see me writing down

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>one on the sidewalk because I'd be a hazard to

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>pedestrians and there's not really a lot of room for

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>me to ride on roads. So in order for it

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to be a really useful means of transportation, we'd have

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to make some pretty big changes. Yeah, the entire infrastructure

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>of how we create sidewalks and roads would have to change.

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 1>But the Luke arm has got a much more promising

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in my eyes prospect. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. As part of

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 1>its trials, the FDA reviewed a study that was done

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>by the Department of Veterans Affairs, in which they fitted

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 1>thirty six participants with one of these prostheses and collected

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 1>information about how it performed during common life tasks, you know,

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>like household chores, self care stuff, and and etcetera. The

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>study found that some of the participants found the arm

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 1>at an improvement over their previous pros thesis, and were

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>thereby able to do things like prepare food, or feed themselves,

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>or use zippers, or brush their hair, or or use

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>locks and keys. And those sound I mean, if those

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>sound like really basic tasks for something to do, I

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>mean a they're actually incredibly complicated. And the force feedback

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 1>motor system that your hands use is is so complex

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and so difficult to replicate in robotics. But if you

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>ever want to see me cry at my desk, um,

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.399
<v Speaker 1>send me a YouTube link to two an ampute who

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>is using a Luke arm to do something like open

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 1>an envelope, and I will absolutely break down. Yeah, it's amazing.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you hear the story about how the

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>government approached. Dean came in and said, here are the

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>things we want you to be able to do with

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this arm. This is before they had designed anything. This

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 1>was just the government coming up to Dean came in

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and saying, here, here's our list of things we want

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to be able to do. We want you to do them. Uh,

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.479
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna give you eighteen million dollars to try

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and do it. And Dean came and said, you are crazy.

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>The things included everything from having the arm b at

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 1>least at most the same weight as a as a

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 1>human arm would be to have as many degrees of

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>freedom as possible, and to be able to do things

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>like pick up a grape without crushing it, and even

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>to be able to tell the difference by quote unquote

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 1>feel between a grape and a raisin, so that you

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>can only pick them up, but that you would have

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 1>some force feedback that wouldn't let the wearer have a

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>sensation that lets them know certain properties of whatever it

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 1>is they are touching with a robotic arm. These are

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:06.799
<v Speaker 1>incredible requirements and so yeah, I agree that we're going

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to have to do a really a really deep look

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.320
<v Speaker 1>at the Luke arm in the future. Because it is

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a phenomenal piece of technology, oh absolutely, And and it

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>is cleared by the FDA for for its electrical software

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and battery systems, and also it's safety and durability. So

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the challenge now is turning this this what turned into

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 1>a hundred million dollar project into a commercially viable product

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>that you know, can can also help common people live

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 1>better lives. So Cayman and and the company Decca are

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>now on a hunt for manufacturing and marketing partners who

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.879
<v Speaker 1>will be able to make the ARM both affordable and

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 1>hopefully for them profitable. There's there's no word yet on

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a release date or price, but once we get that

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of information, maybe once it hits the early market,

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>will do that full episode. Yeah, I would love to

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 1>have a really good get at everything, from the actual

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 1>history of the development to its final specs and how

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>they managed to achieve this remarkable technological advance. I mean

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 1>just being able to power all those joints that you

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>have to have a power source, not just a motor,

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>but a power source for all that and batteries are

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.439
<v Speaker 1>not light and it has not one, i think, but

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>but two power sources at different segments of the arms.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, it's I mean, this is this is

0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing engineering and frankly one of the stories that

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:33.839
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel get all the warm fuzzies too, Like

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I love these stories about people who look on an

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.720
<v Speaker 1>engineering challenge that's not just difficult but has a measurable

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.719
<v Speaker 1>effect upon people who can then take advantage of it,

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 1>especially people who have suffered a loss of some sort.

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's a really heartwarming kind of application

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 1>of technology. So we will definitely do a full episode

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>on that once we have, like Lauren said, more information. Meanwhile,

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 1>you guys, have any uh any topics you want hear

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:03.440
<v Speaker 1>more about something that you you're just curious about, you

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe have always wondered and you thought, I want to

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>get a real in depth look at this, or perhaps

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