1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology. What's tech Stuff from how 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: stuff works dot Com. He there, and welcome to tech Stuff. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren foc Obama. Hey, Lauren, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: what are we doing today? Okay, it's kind of it's 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of a long story, all right, so let's let's 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: let's gather around the camp fire children. We're gonna hear 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the story right now the Internet campfire. Yes. So, back 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: on March, we published an episode called How Segways Work, 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: which turned out to be about a lot more than 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: just segways. We told the story in this episode of 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Dean Cayman and eccentric millionaire inventor. Not unlike Tony's Stark, 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: he bought his own island. This one time, his own 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: hype worked against him. When the very brilliant but very 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: simple People Mover the Segway premiered, yep, and if you 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: wanted to go way way back. Yeah, that wasn't the 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: first time we ever talked about Dean came to the 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: A eight. Chris and I did a fifteen minute long 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: episode that's how far back we're talking when when I 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: was able to only say things in fifteen minutes called 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: how Dean came in works. I don't recommend that episode necessarily, uh, 21 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: because it was before Chris and I really knew how 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: podcasting worked. But we we've talked about him a couple 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: of times anyway. Uh. Yeah. In that two thousand and 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: eight episode, you guys covered the Luke Arm a little bit, 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: technically the Decca Arm after Dean came in's medical technology company, 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: Decca UM. But two thousand eight was the year that 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: the Luke Arm came out of its funding period and 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: went on to clinical trials. And if you guys haven't 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: heard about this thing, it's a robotic Pross thesis and 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: it was designed with funding from DARPA's Revolutionizing Prosthetics Program. 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: The the idea behind it sounds like science fiction, Okay. 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: It's a prosthetic arm that works basically like a biological arm, 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: translating signals from the person's muscles along with some some 34 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: foot button input to perform complex tasks. It's powered at 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: multiple joints. It has eighteen degrees of freedom, which is 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: not bad compared to a meat arms twenty two degrees 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: of freedom, and it weighs a little bit less actually 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: than the average biological arm. Yeah, and In fact, when 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: you say it sounds like it's science fiction, the reason 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: why it's called the Luke Arm is that it is 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: really anyway, Yeah, it is. It is so nicknamed after 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: the character from Star Wars Luke Skywalker, who spoiler alert 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: loses a hand um and yes, gains a father and 44 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: also an incredible robotic hand that works magically, uh, exactly 45 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: like his real hand, almost as the actor did not 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: have his hand cut off but merely put on a glove. Yeah, 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the Luke Arm that we're talking 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: about here. Not quite as spectacular as that, but still amazing. Oh. Absolutely, 49 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: And it's definitely enough to do an entire episode on uh, 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: and we want to do that episode in the future. 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: But okay, So news just dropped on that this arm 52 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: has been approved for commercial manufacture and sale by the 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: f d A, the Food and Drug Administration, which is 54 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: the governing body in the United States. It has say 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: over this kind of thing. So we wanted to share 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: the story of who this Cayman person is and how 57 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: he got into the medical tech business. So we are 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: going to do a dreaded and or savored update episode. Yes, 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: we're going to replay for you how segways work. Um, 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: I I hope I didn't really listen to it, and 61 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: this was from relatively early in my text up days, 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: so so I really hope it doesn't suck, you know. Uh, 63 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm I am confident that it is a strong episode. 64 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: So let us not worry about such things, Lauren. Let 65 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: us let us listen back on how segways work, and 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: when it's over, we'll come back and we'll wrap up 67 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. We've got some more information for you. Yeah, 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: the segue, I think is where a lot of people, 69 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: no Dean Cayman like they they heard about it that 70 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: because of the segue, well it got it got a 71 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: great deal of publicity, which we will talk about later 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: in the episode. Because it was the hype for it 73 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: is can really only be called hype. It was very intent. 74 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: It was it was like it was like if you 75 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: had heard that this rock and roll band that had 76 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: not released an album in like ten years was getting 77 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: back together to do their first studio album, uh, and 78 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: that you know, in a decade, and that would that 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: would be kind of similar to the hype build up. 80 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: But not only were they going to do an album, 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: but they were going to revolutionize the entire music industry 82 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: with this album. That's the level. Yeah, that's fair. So 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a bit, but first we 84 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of talk about actually what it was 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: and how it worked. So if you were to look 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: at one of these things, in case you have not 87 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: seen it, it looks like a little two wheeled scooter, 88 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: but the wheels are are side by side. They're not 89 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: in line with one another. Their side by side. And 90 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: when you would stand on a platform with the left 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: wheel to your left, in the right wheel to your right, 92 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: there's a bar that comes straight up vertically from the platform. 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: Their handlebars handle bars that you hold onto, and then 94 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: when you when you lean, it moves. When you lean forward, 95 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: it starts to move forward. When you lean backward, it stops. 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: If you lean back enough, it'll go backward a little bit. 97 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: But it's um and uh and and the new models 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: these days, when you tilt the handlebars, that is how 99 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: you steer. Yeah, and the original one, you would twist 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: one of the handlebars, the right handlebars, rapping a motorcycle 101 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: style exactly, and if you if you twisted, if you 102 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: twisted one way, it would turn left and you twist 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: the other way. It turns right, and the way it 104 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: turns is kind of cool. Uh. When you lean forward, 105 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: both wheels engage and start moving forward simultaneously. Correct. When 106 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: you turn, only one wheel starts to move in one 107 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: direction and the other wheel allows you to pivot on 108 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: on a dine right right. Yeah, it's a turning radius 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: of zero zero turning radius, which is pretty amazing. And uh, 110 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: we'll talk about what he intended this device to do 111 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: in the second half, I think, but first we wanted 112 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: to kind of talk about the actual technology that makes 113 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: this possible. And Uh, Dean came in. Before he had 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: gone into developing the Segway, had already started to work 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: on some pretty cool systems. He did some work on 116 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: on motorized wheelchairs that were capable of doing things like 117 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: climbing up staircases, and that work kind of led him 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: to the idea of what if I created a device 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: that could transport people at a good clip, uh, and 120 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: make it so that it it works on the same 121 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: principle as what it's like when you're walking. So when 122 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: you're walking, Yeah, exactly, it works in a way that 123 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: feels natural to us. Although I will tell you the 124 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: first time you get on a segway, nothing feels natural 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: about it. I haven't actually been on one. You have, 126 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I have, I've done, I've I've been on a segway. 127 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I had a great time. But 128 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: have you ever engaged in an activity where the first 129 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: up requires you to do something that feels totally unnatural 130 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: to you? So there's like your body is actually resisting 131 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: what you have to do. But basically that's me walking 132 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: every day. But I mean, but but for for example, 133 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: when I switched from a W A S D keyboard 134 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: uh First Person Shooters to Xbox controller, I was like, 135 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: what is this? See? For me, what I think of 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: is like the first time when I was a little 137 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: kid that I ever tried snorkeling, because I put my 138 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: face in the water and my body is telling me, 139 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: for goodness sakes, man, whatever you do, don't breathe. Then 140 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: you're underwater, and you know, my my reast of my 141 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: brain is saying, foolish, scary, reptile brain. That's not anything 142 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: to worry about. You have a tube to the air 143 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: which is unobstructed. You can breathe all you like. And 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: it took that leaped, not literally didn't literally leap, but no, yeah, 145 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't get enough traction, but it took that mental 146 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: leap to get to a point where I felt comfortable. 147 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Same sort of thing on a segue, because the way 148 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: it works is that you start to lean forward as 149 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: if you're going to take a step, because basically what 150 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: walking is is controlled falling. Right, Yeah, You're you're you're 151 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: throwing the upper part of your body forward. You're you're 152 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: essentially unbalancing yourself and then counting on one leg or 153 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: the other hypothetically to catch right. Yeah, you just you're 154 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: constantly catching yourself with your legs. You're you know, especially 155 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: if you're if you're walking at a good pace, you know, 156 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: you'll see people they're leaning into it and uh, and 157 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: that weight is what's helping them propel forward. And then 158 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: they swing a leg out, which catches them, stops them 159 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: from falling, and they use that leg to push them forward, 160 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: and then the other leg and so on and so forth. 161 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: And it's something that we once we start to learn 162 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: how to walk, it just becomes natural to us. We 163 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: don't even think about it, right, right, Well, we've got 164 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of a really really intricate inner ear sensory 165 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: mechanisms to tell us when we're balanced and when we're 166 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: off balanced, and how everything is going. It's a really 167 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: it's such an automatic process that when you're not too 168 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: you're not thinking about it. Yeah. And what's also funny 169 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: is that that that same system of sensors that we 170 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: have in our brain. Well, two things are funny. One 171 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: thing is that a lot of that informed Dean Cayman 172 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: when he was designing the segue. He wanted to have 173 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: a mechanical means to sort of recreate that. And the 174 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: other thing is that these sensors are not fails. There's 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: they're they're not foolproof. We we can fool ourselves. Uh. 176 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: This is partially what leads us to things like motion sickness, 177 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: where we get one set of input from a set 178 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: of senses telling us one thing, and a different set 179 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: of input from other senses telling us another thing, and 180 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that that conflict makes our brains say, Okay, if that's 181 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: how you're gonna play it, we're losing lunch. That's it. Uh. 182 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: Someone who has suffered from from car sickness motion sickness 183 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: that way, strangely enough, never got s sick but I've 184 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: been motion sick from a car before. But anyway, so 185 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: the the they are foul, both these systems in our 186 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: our brains and in the segway. As it turns out. 187 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: So Dean came and wanted to create the segue in 188 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: such a way that it would require you to lean 189 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: forward as if you were going to take a step, 190 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: and that would be the indicator to move right and 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: then and then sort of trust the machine. I imagine 192 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: that that's where you have your initial problem because you're 193 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: you're you're leaning forward and you're not catching yourself. Yeah, 194 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: and you know you've already been told, You've already been told, 195 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: do not take your foot off the platform to step 196 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: and catch yourself, because then you run yourself over. So 197 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: not only do you not wear a helmet at the 198 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: time hypothetically, yes, I was wearing a helmet at the time. 199 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: That was that was, that was a requirement. I want 200 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: to say that I was at Disney when I did this. 201 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: It was at some park and I think it was Disney, 202 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: and it was it was not the full Epp Cut tour, 203 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: which we can talk about. I've got a little factoid 204 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: on that. Uh, there is a tour that very popular 205 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: tour at Epcot that uses segways. It was that it 206 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: was just a little like familiarize yourself with this technology thing, 207 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: and I was like, I've always wanted to do this, 208 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: and that's when I tried it. So I've only done 209 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: at the one time, and I really would love to 210 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: have more time with it because it was an interesting experience. 211 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: But yes, it requires you to move forward as if 212 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: you were going to take a step, but not take 213 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: your weight completely off your foot, just lean forward as 214 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: if you were about to start walking, and that makes 215 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: the segway go, which is kind of cool. Um. Now, 216 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: the way it does that is it has a complex 217 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: system of gyroscopes inside to kind of let it know 218 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: what orientation the segue is in relative to the ground. Right. 219 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: It has five gyroscopes. In fact, technically it's really only 220 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: using three of them. Two of them are fail safes. 221 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, three of them are meant to detect things 222 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: like forward, leaning forward, leaning backward, and tilt to the 223 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: left or right. Right. Okay, but so so a gyroscope, 224 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: let's talk about what a gyroscope is because a little 225 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: bit integral. Yeah. Um, so it's basically just a spinning 226 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: wheel inside of aim. Yeah, the frame itself is stable 227 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: and free. The spinning wheel as um. Well, it's rotating 228 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: around an axis, right, so you've got the access at 229 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: the center of the wheel. The wheel rotates and then 230 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: it was it resists changes forces that would change the 231 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: alignment of that gyroscope so well, because if you push 232 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: on the on the spinning wheel, it's just going to 233 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: transfer into it's it's called precessing. This is a really 234 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: this is an interesting thing. It's actually it's one of 235 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: those things that's kind of difficult to explain in an 236 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: audio podcast. First of all, let me tell you that 237 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com we have an article 238 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: on how gyroscopes work, which includes video showing what I'm 239 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: about to talk about. So if you have trouble visualizing 240 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: what I'm about to explain, despite the fact that we're 241 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: both gesticulating wildly, yeah, really, I mean, there's only so 242 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: much I can get across in radio, right, but you 243 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: can go there and look it up. But what the 244 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: gyroscope does is this whole thing of recessing is imagine 245 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: that you have a bicycle wheel suspended from a string, 246 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: some strings tied to the ceiling somewhere the bicycle wheels 247 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: hanging down the the string is tied to the axis 248 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: of the wheel, so it could still spin freely. Okay, 249 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: got it. Now, if you were to align that wheel 250 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: so it's vertical relative to the ground, so the wheel 251 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: is as if it was on a bicycle that you 252 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: were riding down the streets. Okay. The string is tied 253 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: to one side of that axis, so there's a string 254 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: that's coming down on one side of the access. The 255 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: other side of the access doesn't have a string tied 256 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: to it, so there's nothing to keep it vertical. If 257 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: you were to just let go, that wheel would flop 258 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: down into the horizontal uh formation. It would just be 259 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: parallel to the ground. Correct more or less. If you 260 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: were to turn it vertical and then start spinning the wheel, 261 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: it would remain vertical, really, and it would slowly begin 262 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: to rotate around the string. So that's the precession, is 263 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: that it's rotating around a different access perpendicular to the 264 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: one of its main motion. Now is it staying vertical 265 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: as opposed to flopping over? The reason for that is 266 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: that if you were to uh apply a force to say, 267 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: let's say you've got the bicycle wheel spinning in your arms. Okay, 268 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: you're you're holding me, You're holding the axis in front 269 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: of you, and the wheel is vertical, and you've got spinning. 270 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: You can do this. I've seen science museums that have 271 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: had this where you sit in a swivel chair and 272 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: you hold the bicycle wheel in front of you, like 273 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: you extend your arms out so that the wheel can 274 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: spin freely in front of you. If you try and 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: tilt that wheel, you'll feel resistance. And the reason for 276 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: that is that imagine that, uh, you know, take a 277 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: still image, like you're able to freeze time. Okay, I can, so, 278 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: all right, well that's good, And you're going to tilt 279 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: the wheel so that the top of the wheel from 280 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: your perspective, would be moving to the left and the 281 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: bottom of the wheel would be moving to the right. 282 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: You're tilting it on a diagonal. Okay. Now, as that 283 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: wheel is spinning the point where you would be turning 284 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: it to the left, that that's you're replying a force 285 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: to that section. So imagine imagine a spot at the 286 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: very top of the wheel, at the vertical apex of 287 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: that wheel. Okay, that's where you're applying the force to 288 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: move to the left. Now the wheel is actually spinning. 289 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: So if we were to jump ahead twenty frames, now 290 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: the point is directly in front of the wheel. It's 291 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: no longer at the top. It is rotated around to 292 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: be in the front, and uh, it still wants to 293 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: go toward the left. Go ahead another twenty frames. Now 294 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: the point is at the bottom of the wheel. It 295 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: still wants to go to the left. But the force 296 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: you're applying is trying to make the bottom of the 297 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: wheel go to the right. So the force you're applying 298 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: is trying to push the wheels direction in one way. 299 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: But because that reference point was at the top at 300 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: the beginning and it's still trying to go to the 301 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: left from when you were applying the force at the 302 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: very beginning, those two forces cancel each other out. It 303 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: resists the force to make it move in a different direction. 304 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: And uh, then you also have the precession. So if 305 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: you're singing a swivel chair, you start to spin around. 306 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of fun. Uh, this is a great cheap 307 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: way to entertain small children. Um. Anyway, it's an interesting 308 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: just an interesting fact of physics is that the gyroscope 309 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: in this this stable frame will react in this way. 310 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: But so okay, So, so the point of gyroscopes being 311 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: in devices like this is that if you measure the 312 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: position of the spinning wheel inside of its frame, you 313 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: can determine the the pitch and the pitch rate. Yeah, exactly, 314 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: You're you're looking at like the the frame itself can 315 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: move freely within the confines of whatever it is you're 316 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: talking talking, right, whether it's it could be a segue, 317 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: it could be an airplane, it could be a phone 318 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: um and so it can move freely within that context. 319 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: And it maybe a solid state drive, as is the 320 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: case with the segue, may not be an actual physical gyroscope. 321 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: And we'll we'll get into that in just a second, right, 322 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: And uh, but if you're able to do that in 323 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: such a way, then the gyroscope and the pitch detection 324 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: will allow the will give enough information so that some 325 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: sort of processor can take that information in and know 326 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: what orientation the segue is in relative to the ground. 327 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: So by detecting these changes and by detecting the forces 328 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: that are enacting upon these different gyroscopes, the segue can 329 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: interpret that and say, oh, I should engage the motor 330 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: to drive forward, or I should stop, or I should 331 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: move back move backward exactly, or I should I should 332 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: probably put up at a warning because this guy is 333 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: really leaning over a bit too far right right, Um, 334 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: but so so yeah, So the kind of gyroscopes that 335 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: are that are in a segue. Are these solid state 336 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: angular rate sensors? Yes, that that are basically the way 337 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: that I understand. It's a little silicon plate. Yes, and 338 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: I think I actually said that the correct way the 339 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: first time. Yes, you did silicon not silicone. You're exactly right, 340 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: two separate issues. Um. And so it's a it's a 341 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: silicon silicon plate mounted on a support frame. And uh, 342 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: you run. You run an electrostatic current across the plate 343 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: and wiggles the silicon particles around and makes the plate 344 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: as a whole vibrate in a very predictable way. Um. 345 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: And when there's a physical change in the forces, meaning 346 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: when you've tilted in some way. Yeah, yeah, when when 347 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: you physically move the plate on its access axis. Yes, 348 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: talking is great. The particles suddenly shift and the vibration changes, right, 349 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: And by changing of vibration, you know that there's a 350 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: change in the state that you are in, whether that's 351 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: a tilt or you know, whatever other thing you might 352 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: have this gyroscope, and but in the case of the segue, 353 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about specifically the tilt of the segue itself. Right, 354 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: So if you hook a computer up to this, that 355 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: can measure the precise change, right and interpret it exactly. 356 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: So if it says like, oh, it's changed a little bit, 357 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: like the vibration has changed a little bit, indicating that 358 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: the person is starting to lean forward time to engage 359 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: the motors. If it's changed a lot, it might mean 360 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: that the person has leaned forward pretty hard, which indicates 361 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: that you should move at a faster pace. Uh. So 362 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: you've got these motors that will engage in order to 363 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: activate the wheels, and the wheels begin to turn and 364 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: that's where you get the motion. So the thing that's 365 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: keeping this all going is um. You know, you've got 366 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: the gyroscopic sensors that's giving the information. But then you 367 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: have two circuit boards that have controllers on them as 368 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: ten microprocessors total in the original segue, and those microprocessors 369 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: are what's taking in all this information and uh and 370 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: and translating it into action. Yeah. Yeah, that that first one. UM. 371 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: The microprocessors would check the position sensors about a hundred 372 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: times per second, that's right. Yeah, So that way it 373 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: can make sure that it's giving the right information to 374 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: the motors so that you're you're moving at the right 375 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: speed compared to how you are how you're physically manipulating 376 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: the segue right, right, it's it's also gotten there um 377 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: a couple of tilt sensors filled with electrolyte fluid, electrolytes 378 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: being of course what plants crave, thank you bondo, which 379 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: which is again just like your inner ear. Yeah, yeah, 380 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: it's your inner ear has flu it in it, and 381 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: that's what helps you determine what your orientation is relative 382 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: to your environment. This is why one of the reasons 383 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: why when people go up in the vomit commet, that's 384 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: why it's called that, because when you're in the vomit commet, 385 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: you're you're the sensory information you're getting from your eyes 386 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: and from your your you know, what you're feeling is 387 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: so different from what your inner ear is trying to 388 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: make sense of when this fluid is something. Yeah, yeah, 389 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: it's basically you've just got this little sensor in your 390 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: head where you've got a level of fluid, and that 391 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: is how you calibrate yourself to the ground by based 392 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: on on where the fluid is tilting right and in 393 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: a freefall motion. That that information ends up being a 394 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: little weird, and so a lot of people end up 395 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: again losing their lunch, which is why they often refer 396 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: to the planes that take these these flights as the 397 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: vomit commet. Yeah, but it's interesting that the segue itself 398 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: has this electoral life. Not great, you don't have to 399 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: worry about your segue losing its lunch. Don't worry about 400 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: that part. That part similar he has now ended. But 401 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: other than that, it is using a very similar approach 402 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: to detect tilt as the way humans do which again 403 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: kind of cool that Dean came and is taking taking 404 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: direction from the way our bodies do stuff to help 405 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: inform him on the way he makes technology. I blame 406 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: it on his extensive medical background. Yeah, and again the 407 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: Luke arm another example of that. Right, he's taking that 408 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: that how do humans do things and how can we 409 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: make technology that emulates this? He was also when he 410 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: was in college, he was the first He invented the 411 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: first drug injection pump and later the first portable insulin pump, 412 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: which is part of how he made such huge amount 413 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: of money. And the cool thing to me is that 414 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: it's obvious that what drives him is a desire to 415 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: innovate and to help people, and he talks very passionately. 416 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: There's some really really good interviews with him will Lincome 417 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: on social where he's talking about watching people use his 418 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: inventions for the first time and and them kind of 419 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, people who haven't been able to move this 420 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: way ever and in some cases and them and just 421 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: the amount of pride and and just awesome that happens, 422 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: and the fact that that that is what what really 423 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: uh gives them an incentive to continue. It's pretty interesting stuff. 424 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: It's it's a really cool story. And in fact, there's 425 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 1: a whole section of the Segway story that we need 426 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: to get into, which involves the whole hype issue and 427 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the the original Segue models 428 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that came out and and some controversy that Segue has 429 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: had over the years. We'll talk about that in just 430 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: a minute, but first, before we do that, let's take 431 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: a quick break to thank our sponsored Let's segue back 432 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: into our episode. I couldn't resist and so just a 433 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: few more facts about the original segue. Keep in mind 434 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: that they've made several different models over the course of 435 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: the segway's life, but the earlier ones they had a 436 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: top speed of about twelve and a half miles per hour, 437 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: which is around twenty kilometers per hour, right, I think, 438 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and I think in some other countries it was maybe 439 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: thirteen and a half. But but yes, yeah, yeah, it 440 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: all depended on well, I also depend on what which 441 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: model you had, because they did they did do a 442 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: range of them. We have an article on our site 443 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: how the segway works, and that one we specifically looked 444 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: at the segue HT, which was one of the earlier models. Um. 445 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: It required about six hours of charging, It had a 446 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: range of around seventeen miles, which was about twenty eight 447 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: kilometers and um. The current segways are called PT, which 448 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: stands for Personal Transporter, and they have a whole line 449 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: of them that do different things for for for like 450 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: city travel versus off roads, versus security purposes. They've got 451 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: one specifically for golf courses. Yep. They've got somewhere they 452 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: have like all these containers on them so that you 453 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: can carry stuff, so if you have to transport things. Granted, 454 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: none of them are going to replace the minivan, so 455 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: soccer moms are not going to be able to I mean, 456 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: I guess you can maybe tie a couple of of 457 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: uh red wagons behind and just like like a mama duck. 458 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: I was really waiting for you to say, like small 459 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: children to the handlebars, and I was like, I don't 460 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: think I wouldn't. I wouldn't advocate that. I wouldn't advocate that. 461 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't advocate the wagons actually either that would be 462 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: a disaster. But anyway, Um, the the motors of those 463 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: early segues had about two horsepower worth of power and 464 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: had a two stage transmission with a twenty four to 465 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: one gear ratio with a helical gear assembly and it 466 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: was actually a harmonic assembly. Yeah. They they engineered it 467 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: so that the sounds that the two meshes in the 468 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: gearbox would were exactly two octaves apart, so they would harmonize. Yeah, 469 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting, some might say crazy. Um it 470 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: weighed the original the HT the one that we talked 471 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: about in our article, weighed about eighty three pounds, which 472 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: is about thirty eight kilograms, and it could carry a 473 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: person of up to two hundred sixty pounds, which is 474 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: about hundred eighteen kilograms or for my friends in England 475 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: eighteen and a half stone. Uh. It had two lithium 476 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: ion batteries to supply power rechargeable obviously you wouldn't want 477 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: to have to PLoP out a different battery every fifteen 478 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: to seventeen miles or so um. And it used an 479 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: electronic key system with a bit encrypted digital code, so 480 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: you had this key that would plug into It's sort 481 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: of like a little like like flash drive, except you 482 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't have called it that then, because right you would 483 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: have called it, well, you could have called it that 484 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: then they'd had to flash at that point, but it 485 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: really wasn't. But it was a digital key that has 486 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: a hundred eight bit encrypted code on it, so that 487 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: the segway will only work with that code and you 488 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about someone not necessarily not have 489 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: to worry about it. But if someone did run off 490 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: with your segue, they couldn't use it. They would have 491 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: to literally lift it up and move it away, which 492 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: kind of defeats the point. Right. So that's that's the 493 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: that's the basic model that we talked about in our 494 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: in our not our podcasts our article. But there are 495 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: quite a few other ones that are out now. Like 496 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: I said, there's a the I two, which is your 497 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: basic normal terrain segue, and then there's the X two, 498 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: which the the off road the next to adventure X 499 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: to adventure off road travel. Yeah, and they've even got 500 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: some that were you know, they worked with DARPA to 501 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: to design a kind of segue that was used as 502 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: a platform for robotics. UM. They've worked they've created different 503 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: models like three wheeled and four wheeled vehicles based on 504 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: the segway technology UM for various things. Here in Atlanta, 505 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: we have Atlanta Ambassadors. These are people who are in 506 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: downtown Atlanta who often help out during big events, like 507 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: when when something's going on downtown and uh, you know 508 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of people there. Uh. These 509 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: folks are there to kind of help give directions and 510 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: and you know someone's like, hey, I'm looking for the 511 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: Georgia Aquarium. Where do I go from here? I was, Oh, 512 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: you need to walk down this two blocks and take 513 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: a left, that kind of thing. A lot of them 514 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: have segways, so I see them whenever I'm downtown for 515 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: you know, Dragon con St. Patrick's Day Parade, which uh 516 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: at the time of this recording, will be in just 517 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: a couple of days. Um So, but they have them. 518 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: I've seen them in airports, a lot of airports have 519 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: seen especially airport security on the these. I've seen police 520 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: on these. Yeah. They were big at the Beijing Olympics. 521 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: In In fact, I want to say that, um that 522 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: the most I well, I think the most I ever 523 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: saw at one point was actually at Epcot because, like 524 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: I said, Epcot Center, uh not Epcot Center, they used 525 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: to be called Epcot Center. I was there when it opened, 526 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: because as Lauren has pointed out numerous times, I'm old, 527 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: but I remember going to Epcot and seeing people on 528 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: these and that was probably the first time I set 529 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: them in person. But go back to when it was unveiled, 530 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: or even before it was unveiled. Came in actually came 531 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: up with the idea in the late nineties, like and 532 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: he had this idea of creating devices that could operate 533 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: on pedestrian sidewalks and paths. And in two thousand one, 534 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: the company that would become Segue broke ground on its 535 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: manufacturing plant in New Hampshire, which is where Dean Cayman's from. Yeah, 536 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: they they broke around in February, and I think completed 537 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: it in November. Yep, yep, right in November December, and 538 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: they adopted the name Segue in December two thousand one. 539 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: And that's actually when they unveiled the Segue, the first 540 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: models of it on Good Morning America, a television program 541 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of a news oriented television program here in 542 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: the United States. And I actually saw this. I saw 543 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: the unveiling episode. You stayed home, stayed home from work. 544 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: You I didn't stay home from work. I delayed leaving. 545 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: Uh Am I going to get in trouble. I mean, 546 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: I haven't worked for this company in years. Two thousand one, 547 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: I was not working for How Stuff Works, I was. 548 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: I was not here. I was working for a totally 549 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: different company. I did drag my feet leaving the house 550 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: that morning, because I knew that this was happening everywhere 551 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: in the news. It had been that there was going 552 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: to be this incredible, incredible device. And it had two 553 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: code names that I recall off top of my head. 554 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: One was it right all caps, it like like a 555 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: very clown, and then the other one was Nice Pennywise. 556 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: The other one was Tim Curry, was the television ad 557 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: uptation um, Stephen King. The second one was Ginger Ginger, Yeah, 558 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: and that was it was. It had been code named 559 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: Ginger based on the fact that the wheelchair that Decca 560 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: had designed earlier was called Fred upstairs within the lab, 561 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: based on Fred a stair because they were they were 562 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: saying that it just dances right up the stairs and 563 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: there was a wheelchair that could climb stairs. Fred and 564 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: then Ginger and so and so Ginger. Of course Ginger 565 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: could do everything Fred could do backwards in heels. So 566 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: not that the segue necessarily did. But I it's just 567 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorite little quotes, um um. But but so, 568 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: a journalist had started writing this book called Code Named Ginger, 569 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: and it was leaked at the beginning of two thousand one, 570 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: I think by Inside dot com. And this is I 571 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: think what really created all of this insane hype, because 572 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: it was the book took such pains to not talk 573 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: specifically about what this machine did, but it was going 574 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: to change the world. And you get these quotes from 575 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: people like like Steve Jobs that were like, this is 576 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: this is going to be bigger than the PC, again 577 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: without it actually revealing what it was. Was that the 578 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: people who had found out about it said it was 579 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: going to be this phenomenal technology that was going to 580 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: fundamentally change the way we live, and and it was 581 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: built up so much. I mean, hype is seems like 582 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: a like a good thing hypothetically. Well, I was going 583 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: to say that hype is probably not even strong enough 584 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: in a word, considering that, you know, the deliverables that 585 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: were being promised on based on this technology that no 586 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: one outside of a very small group of people had 587 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: any knowledge about. People were saying that that cities were 588 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: going to be redesigned around this thing, and and that 589 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: it was going to be bigger than the Internet. Yeah, 590 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and then Good Morning America had its unveiling, and before 591 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: the show, I remember, like days before the show aired, Uh, 592 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: there were already rumors that it was going to be 593 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: some sort of motorized scooter device. And this was based 594 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: off patents that had been filed as well as Dean 595 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: Cayman's previous work with the wheelchairs and things of that nature. 596 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: And so when it actually happened, like I was hoping 597 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: at the time that it wasn't going to end up 598 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: being a scooter because I was thinking, like, if it's 599 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: something totally different, that's gonna be awesome. If it's a scooter, 600 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: it's still could be awesome, but it's gonna be it's 601 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: not gonna be as cool as if it were something 602 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: totally out of left field. And then I saw it 603 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: and I thought, well, it's interesting, but is it really 604 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: going to change the world? And I understood what what 605 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: what they were going for. They were saying that, you know, 606 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: especially in cities, particularly in cities, which is where the 607 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: majority of people tend to live. Not that not that 608 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: there aren't plenty of people on rural area population density. Yeah, yeah, 609 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: you've got very dense populations in cities that traffic is 610 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: a real problem. You've got people who are getting in 611 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: their car to go relatively short distances to do uh 612 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: basic stuff like here in Atlanta. Uh, there's thin We 613 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: mentioned the traffic on the show about once every other episode, 614 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: and not just traffic though I was going to say 615 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: that we don't have like our our public transportation system 616 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: is not doesn't measure up to public transportation systems, and 617 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: some other cities like DC or New York or Chicago. Um, now, 618 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: we do have one and and you can use it, 619 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: but it's just not ideal. It's not doesn't run as 620 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: frequently as some other cities, and it doesn't paces exactly. 621 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: So that means that if you want to get around 622 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta and you want to do it effectively, you pretty 623 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: much have to have a car. And the idea was 624 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: that for cities like Atlanta and other cities that have 625 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: similar issues, the segue could end up allowing you to 626 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: go further than you would if you were on foot, uh, 627 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: and not clog up all the streets. So it would 628 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: alleviate traffic problems. It would start because as an electric vehicle, 629 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: it does not actually generate eate any any greenhouse gases 630 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: or toxins. Although you could argue that depending on how 631 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: the electricity was generated, that's still a problem. Is just 632 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: not being created by the vehicle itself. It's not direct. 633 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: It's a couple steps, yeah, exactly. Um, but that would 634 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: also be a thing, and that it would uh, you know, 635 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: it could it could really be a big benefit. But 636 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: for that to work, you have to have an infrastructure 637 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: that supports that kind of transportation, at the very least 638 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: of bike lanes or or really wide sidewalks, really wide sidewalks. 639 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: One of the big things that that Decca and we're 640 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: trying to do was create legislature that would allow the 641 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: segue to to go on sidewalks. They had huge pushback 642 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: from a lot of communities. I think that it's that 643 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: they're banned entirely on sidewalks in the UK. Maybe in 644 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: some places they are, I know in some cities. They 645 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: definitely are very state by state and municipality by municipality. 646 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: It probably doesn't surprise you to know that the first 647 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: state to legalize the segue on pedestrian sidewalks was in 648 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: fact New Hampshire, where the segue was located. It was 649 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: that that was passed into law on February two thousand two. 650 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: Uh and uh. And it wasn't until November eighteenth, two 651 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: thousand two that segways went on sale to the public 652 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: for the first time on Amazon dot Com. Beyond that, 653 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: you've got like two thousand five was when Disney World 654 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: was introducing the Around the World at Epcot Segue Tour. 655 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: So for those who have not been to Epcot, it's 656 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: divided into two big sections. You have the Future World section, 657 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: where it's all about energy, and transportation and the things 658 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: that are going to be important to us in the 659 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: years to come, and kind of the innovations that we 660 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: can expect, or maybe even stuff that you know is 661 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: really far out there and maybe it will never happen. 662 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: The other one is the World Showcase, which has it's 663 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: almost like a permanent World's Fair. It has uh has 664 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: different pavilions that represent various countries in the world, and 665 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: they are the around the World Segue Tour was a 666 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: Segue tour that would take you around the World Showcase. 667 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: It was like a two hour long tour and it 668 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: would allow you to start to explore the World Showcase 669 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: a couple of hours before it was open to the 670 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: general public. Because the way that Epcot works, or at 671 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: least it used to I assume it still does, is 672 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: when the doors would open, meaning that when they would 673 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: let you into the park, you could only go into 674 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: the Future World part For the first couple of hours, 675 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: the World Showcase would be held off and like like 676 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: if the park opens at eight am, then the World 677 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: Showcase would open at ten. So this tour would allow 678 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 1: you to go through the World Showcase at eight am, 679 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about running down Jimmy 680 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: who isn't paying attention because he wants a Mickey Mouse doll. 681 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, Disney has actually banned the use of 682 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: segways other than in their tours. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah. 683 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: One of the problems that it's had with all of 684 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: this is that UM segways are not technically graded for 685 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: medical use. UM they are, although they can help people 686 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: with disabilities move from one place to another. Because because 687 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: Decca worked with Johnson and Johnson on some of their 688 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: UM some of the gyroscopic platform technology, Johnson and Johnson 689 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: actually owns that copyright and for for medical use. And interesting, Yeah, 690 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: I did not know that. That didn't come up in 691 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: my research. I know that on September fourteenth, two thousand 692 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: and six, they actually issued a recall for twenty three 693 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: thousand segus and that was that was all of them 694 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: at that at that time because there was a software glitch, 695 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: and that software glitch would cause the wheels to occasionally 696 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: and spontaneously reverse direction, which obviously that would be a 697 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: bad thing. I mean, imagine if you're writing on it 698 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: and you're not strapped into this thing, which you're not yeah, well, 699 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: it's like the way I explained it to people, as 700 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: I imagine you're walking down down the street and then 701 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: suddenly the ground underneath you shifts direction to opposite the way. 702 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: You know, you would end up on your back pretty quickly. 703 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: And uh. In fact, there were people who fell off 704 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: the seguae, which you know, when when I was first introduced, 705 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: that was one of the big things that they were 706 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, because of all the gyroscopes would 707 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: be really not that would be impossible, but it would 708 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: be hard. But then with this software glitch you know, 709 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: made it very easy to fall off a segue if 710 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: it happened, and in fact, people ended up getting some injuries, 711 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: like some broken wrists and things like that. There was 712 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: a smaller recall back in A two thousand three because 713 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: when the charge got too low, the segway would just 714 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: stop very abruptly and they had to you start tumbling 715 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: off the same sort of thing. Um, I know that 716 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: in in two thousand nine, Dean came and ended up 717 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: selling the company, and he sold it to Jim Hesselden. 718 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: The last name I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing correctly. 719 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he was known as Jimmy Jimmy in 720 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: the UK, and who's a guy who's a businessman and 721 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: a philanthropist and really really known for his philanthropic endeavors. 722 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: And tragically in September he Hesselden died in an accident. 723 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: He actually he was on a segue and he ended 724 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: up falling off the edge of a cliff in a 725 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 1: wooded day. He was in one of the off road 726 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: segways and supposedly he encountered a walker on a path 727 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: and uh and reversed to get out of the walkers 728 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: way and templed over. Oh I did not, I didn't 729 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: see that. That's that's that's kind of unconfirmed. I think 730 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: that I read that on like on like daily mail 731 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. So anyway, it was a tragic accident. 732 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: It was a terrible thing, and uh, you know, I 733 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: cannot say for certain, but I have a feeling that 734 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: that was part of what prompted segue to uh insert. 735 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: So if you go to visit the segway website, a 736 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: little segway safety pop up will appear and tell you that, 737 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, you need to review the safety procedures of 738 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: and know how to write a segue in order for 739 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,959 Speaker 1: you to operate one safely. And so there's a there's 740 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: an actual pop up that will obscure your view of 741 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: the Segue website until you, you know, dismiss it. And um, 742 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: they even have a full video that explains, you know, 743 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: how the segway works and the best way to operate 744 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: it safely so that you don't end up injuring yourself. Um. 745 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: And on February, Segue was acquired by Summit Strategic Investments 746 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: ll C, which is the current company that owns the brand. 747 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, that's that's kind of where we are 748 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: right now. Just just a few Actually, on this March sixth, 749 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: they announced the development of a three wheel security device 750 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: from planned to be coming out in Q four, uh 751 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: this this year. Um and yeah, I mean, you know, 752 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: so it's a reading all about this kind of broke 753 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: my heart because because Cayman was so passionate about how 754 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: this this terrific device could really change the world and 755 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: change people's lives and change our city scapes for the better. 756 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: And it fizzled so much. You know, it's we we 757 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: talked about how a company debuted in two thousand two, 758 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: they started selling the things in two thousand six, they 759 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: had only sold three thousand units. They were hoping to 760 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: have been selling forty thousand per year UM and you know, 761 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: a lot of things happened. It was it's been a 762 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: tough time the past decade or so for consumer right. Yeah, 763 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: you've had economic downturns, You've had resistance on the part 764 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: of many municipalities to allow the segue to travel along 765 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: things like sidewalks. There's also other just practical considerations. I mean, 766 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: obviously a segue is great if you happen to live 767 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: in a place where the climate is nice and mild. 768 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: But if you are in a place that gets a 769 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: lot of rain, segways not you. You're not going to 770 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: be covered in the rain. You're going to actually be 771 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: out there, and depending upon the segways made, it may 772 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: not operate so well right after a while, or you know, 773 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: like I've flung out in New Hampshire. There are many 774 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: months in New Hampshire that I would not want to 775 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: be down sidewalk. Yeah. So there's there's lots of reasons 776 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: why the segway adoption may have been slower, and I 777 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: think the main one is just that, you know, we 778 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: were so far along in the infrastructure that we rely 779 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: on already, Like we're so dependent upon a certain way 780 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: for our cities to to work for us to get 781 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: around and comfortably, that to expected change in that is 782 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: a little on the optimistic side. It would require a 783 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: huge amount of effort, time and money, and and when 784 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: I say a huge amount of time, I'm talking decades 785 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: to really refit a city in such a way. So 786 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: it would be ideal for using something like a segue, 787 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: particularly if you're in a city that has a actually 788 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: a fairly healthy pedestrian population, healthy and is in there 789 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: are a lot of people out there walking right, not 790 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: necessarily that they're all in great health. Atlanta not so 791 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: great for pedestrians, tent I would say, I mean pedestrians, 792 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: We have very few sidewalks outside of our main metropolitan areas. 793 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: And you know, that's the other thing with these segways 794 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: is that I think that the concept was always for 795 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: them to be secondary to a car, to like, have 796 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: a car and then have the segway in it, and 797 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: you know, park the car somewhere and then take the 798 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: segway out and go about your business, right, or if 799 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,479 Speaker 1: you happen to live, like, you know, two miles away 800 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,959 Speaker 1: from a market. Then you can just for that, sure, 801 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: but you know, but when these units cost over five 802 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: grand to pop, yeah, and they weigh almost a hundred pounds, 803 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: then you know that's it's not easy to carry him around. Yeah, 804 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: that's that's that's one of me. So that's you know, yeah, 805 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: that's right. See, it wasn't that bad as if we 806 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: just listened to it. Yeah that that was hypothetically terrific, 807 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's interesting. The Segway story certainly 808 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: had a tough road. Oh, you know, it was. It 809 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: was one of those things. The Segway was one of 810 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: those things that that would require a massive change in 811 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: infrastructure here in the United States in order for it 812 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: to be a viable solution for a large part of 813 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: the population. Right, I certainly can't see me writing down 814 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: one on the sidewalk because I'd be a hazard to 815 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: pedestrians and there's not really a lot of room for 816 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: me to ride on roads. So in order for it 817 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: to be a really useful means of transportation, we'd have 818 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: to make some pretty big changes. Yeah, the entire infrastructure 819 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: of how we create sidewalks and roads would have to change. 820 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: But the Luke arm has got a much more promising 821 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: in my eyes prospect. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. As part of 822 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: its trials, the FDA reviewed a study that was done 823 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: by the Department of Veterans Affairs, in which they fitted 824 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: thirty six participants with one of these prostheses and collected 825 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: information about how it performed during common life tasks, you know, 826 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: like household chores, self care stuff, and and etcetera. The 827 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: study found that some of the participants found the arm 828 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 1: at an improvement over their previous pros thesis, and were 829 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: thereby able to do things like prepare food, or feed themselves, 830 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: or use zippers, or brush their hair, or or use 831 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: locks and keys. And those sound I mean, if those 832 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: sound like really basic tasks for something to do, I 833 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: mean a they're actually incredibly complicated. And the force feedback 834 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: motor system that your hands use is is so complex 835 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: and so difficult to replicate in robotics. But if you 836 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: ever want to see me cry at my desk, um, 837 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 1: send me a YouTube link to two an ampute who 838 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: is using a Luke arm to do something like open 839 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: an envelope, and I will absolutely break down. Yeah, it's amazing. 840 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, when you hear the story about how the 841 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: government approached. Dean came in and said, here are the 842 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: things we want you to be able to do with 843 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: this arm. This is before they had designed anything. This 844 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: was just the government coming up to Dean came in 845 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: and saying, here, here's our list of things we want 846 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: to be able to do. We want you to do them. Uh, 847 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,479 Speaker 1: and we're gonna give you eighteen million dollars to try 848 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: and do it. And Dean came and said, you are crazy. 849 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: The things included everything from having the arm b at 850 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: least at most the same weight as a as a 851 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: human arm would be to have as many degrees of 852 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: freedom as possible, and to be able to do things 853 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: like pick up a grape without crushing it, and even 854 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: to be able to tell the difference by quote unquote 855 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: feel between a grape and a raisin, so that you 856 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: can only pick them up, but that you would have 857 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: some force feedback that wouldn't let the wearer have a 858 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: sensation that lets them know certain properties of whatever it 859 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: is they are touching with a robotic arm. These are 860 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: incredible requirements and so yeah, I agree that we're going 861 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: to have to do a really a really deep look 862 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 1: at the Luke arm in the future. Because it is 863 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: a phenomenal piece of technology, oh absolutely, And and it 864 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: is cleared by the FDA for for its electrical software 865 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: and battery systems, and also it's safety and durability. So 866 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: the challenge now is turning this this what turned into 867 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: a hundred million dollar project into a commercially viable product 868 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: that you know, can can also help common people live 869 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: better lives. So Cayman and and the company Decca are 870 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: now on a hunt for manufacturing and marketing partners who 871 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,879 Speaker 1: will be able to make the ARM both affordable and 872 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: hopefully for them profitable. There's there's no word yet on 873 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: a release date or price, but once we get that 874 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 1: kind of information, maybe once it hits the early market, 875 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: will do that full episode. Yeah, I would love to 876 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: have a really good get at everything, from the actual 877 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 1: history of the development to its final specs and how 878 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: they managed to achieve this remarkable technological advance. I mean 879 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: just being able to power all those joints that you 880 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: have to have a power source, not just a motor, 881 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: but a power source for all that and batteries are 882 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,439 Speaker 1: not light and it has not one, i think, but 883 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,840 Speaker 1: but two power sources at different segments of the arms. 884 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's I mean, this is this is 885 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: pretty amazing engineering and frankly one of the stories that 886 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: makes me feel get all the warm fuzzies too, Like 887 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: I love these stories about people who look on an 888 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,720 Speaker 1: engineering challenge that's not just difficult but has a measurable 889 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,719 Speaker 1: effect upon people who can then take advantage of it, 890 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: especially people who have suffered a loss of some sort. 891 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a really heartwarming kind of application 892 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: of technology. So we will definitely do a full episode 893 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: on that once we have, like Lauren said, more information. Meanwhile, 894 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: you guys, have any uh any topics you want hear 895 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: more about something that you you're just curious about, you 896 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: maybe have always wondered and you thought, I want to 897 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 1: get a real in depth look at this, or perhaps 898 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: something that you heard about in the news and would 899 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,479 Speaker 1: like a deeper dive into. Yeah, let us know. Send 900 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: us an email. 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