1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: they might have for the rest of us. So today 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: I am delighted to welcome Lisa Camuso Miller to the show. 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: Lisa is a longtime communications expert who also hosts the 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 1: Friday Reporter podcast. Lisa, Welcome to the. 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Show, Laura, Thank you for having me. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you here. So, Lisa, why don't 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: you tell our listeners a little bit about what you do. 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: So I've been in Washington, d C now for twenty 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: four years, which would surprise my younger self because I 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: swore I would be here for two. But I have 16 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: been now in the communications space for a long time. 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: I spent time working in the federal government, I spent 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: time working in politics, and I'm lucky enough now to 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: be working as a consultant in the private sector. So 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: a lot of times what happens is companies and corporations 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: and special interests will come to Washington, d C. And 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: want to advance their issue amongst legislators and policymakers and 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: so anywhere else in the world we call it public relations. 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: But in Washington, d C. Because we're not actually trying 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: to influence consumers, we're trying to influence legislators and lawmakers 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: and regulators, we call it public affairs. And so I've 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: been in that space now for twenty four years. 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've had, you know, your career, Like you know, 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: when I first came across you years ago, you were 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: doing things like spokes You were being a spokesperson for 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: various people and officials. What does that actually mean for 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: people who are wondering, You know, we hear like somebody's 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: spokesperson said this, what is involved in that job? 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Boy, Well, it's involved a lot since I got started. 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: But a lot of times the spokesperson ends up being 36 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: you know, when you elect someone to an office, or 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: you have someone that is the CEO of an organization, 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: they'll have a spokesperson to be an extension of their 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: own voice. So if in fact, you can't get the 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: voice of the actual person that it is, whether it's 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: an elected official, a governor, a senator, a member of Congress, 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: they would get the voice of the spokesperson. So the 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: spokesperson typically is the person that will speak on a 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: variety of different issues, but it's always reflective of the 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: voice and the opinions of the person that you're working for. 46 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: So there are plenty of spokespeople for big corporations that 47 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: talk about the way that the issues and the products 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: or whatever it is they're trying to move are affecting 49 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: people's lives. That's the job of a spokesperson, and that 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: can be it can be a really super rewarding job 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: because if you believe in the person that you're working for, 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: you get to advance their issues and their causes in 53 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: a way that maybe you might not otherwise have an 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: opportunity to. 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know the communications field in general. 56 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard it said it's often about telling stories, right, 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: that we're trying to communicate our opinions and our ideas 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: through stories in general. Is that how you would think 59 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: of it? 60 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it starts from a very very very 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: early age, right. We love to know stories and we 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: love to know why it is that a big issue 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: matters for us. What is interesting to me about storytelling 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: is that it actually makes it more palatable for people 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: to understand why the issue and why it is they 66 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: should care about it. And so storytelling to me also 67 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: really makes us better communicators, because not only we're trying 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: to we could tell you lots of facts, and we 69 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: could tell you lots of reasons why you should care 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: about a particular thing, But until you can figure out 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: how to internalize it and me understand why it means 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: something to you, it really is difficult to conceptual and 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: maybe is something that maybe isn't even perhaps interesting enough 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: for you to want to learn more. 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, we have a lot of people 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: listening to this. It's like, well, I would like to, 77 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, raise my profile or be known more for something. 78 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: And I've heard that part of this is about storytelling 79 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: or something like that. But how can people think about 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: this and come up with ways to tell stories that 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: are authentic that don't feel like, you know, we just 82 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: made something up in order to put it out there. 83 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: Oh, that is the greatest question, Laura, Thank you for 84 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: asking it. I think to me, authenticity is key to 85 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: really landing any message you want to communicate, finding something 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: that you truly believe in finding something that you truly 87 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: care about and then sharing it in a way that 88 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: is uniquely yours. The one thing that I find when 89 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: I consult, because I do a lot of consulting now 90 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: for people that are trying to build their brand, the 91 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: one thing I try to emphasize more than anything else 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: is that you yourself have your own unique story. Lot of 93 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: times we'll look around and say, oh, I probably shouldn't 94 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: do a podcast because Laura has a podcast, or I 95 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: probably shouldn't do a blog post about this because someone 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: else wrote about it. The truth of it is is 97 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: that there are so many people in your unique universe 98 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: that care about your specific thought about an issue that 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: you should always feel good sharing it because there's space 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: for all of us to have points of view and thoughts. 101 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: But the thing that makes it authentic is sharing it 102 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: in a way that's uniquely special to you and your 103 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: own point of view, because people naturally want to listen 104 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: to those stories even more because it's something that is 105 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 2: specific and unique to your own experience and perhaps is 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: one that you didn't realize really would be special and 107 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: important for someone else to hear. 108 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: So how can you go back and sort of mine 109 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: your past and mine your thoughts for the stories that 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: might you know, resonate with other people. 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: Oh boy, I mean, you know, for me, a lot 112 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: is journaling. I spend a lot of time just sort 113 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: of writing in my own journal. I mean I never 114 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: go back and read it a lot of times. It's 115 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: just sort of formulating thoughts and getting ideas together for myself. 116 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: And in that alone, I think helps me understand sort 117 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: of how I feel about a specific issue. So if 118 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: I care about education, if I've decided that I'm worried 119 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: about my kids education, I'll spend some time writing what 120 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: it is and why it is. It's passionate to me. 121 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: It's making me alive, it's waking me up, it's making 122 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 2: me want to know more about it. I'll also spend 123 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: time socializing, whether it's getting a cup of coffee with 124 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: a neighbor or a friend and asking them how they 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: feel about it. Sometimes having those conversations, not only writing 126 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: your own unique thoughts, but then hearing how others feel 127 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: about it can help you really distill that thought a 128 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: little bit more and understand better about how you feel 129 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: about it. The more conversations I have with others about 130 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: how they feel. The more I tune into how I 131 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: care about and why I care about an issue, and 132 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: then I can tell the story in a way that's 133 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: unique to me, in the words that I feel like 134 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: are the ones that make the most sense. 135 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: And since you've had such a varied career and in 136 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: communications and talking about different issues and seeing different people 137 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: trying to advance their stories, I wonder if there's an 138 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: example you can give of somewhere where you know smart 139 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: communication really made a difference in how something was perceived 140 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: or in what happened afterwards. 141 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: Boy, I've seen a lot of bad examples. 142 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: I guess there's that too. 143 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: No, no, no, And I only say that because I 144 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: feel like reflecting on the poor and not well executed 145 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: examples make you better when the time comes to really 146 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: do it right. The one thing I say, Laura, to 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: just about anybody is that, especially at a time when 148 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: you are asked to speak up about an issue that's 149 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: passionate or an issue that is personal, you have to 150 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: lead with emotion and you have to leave with your 151 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: with your own sort of feeling about the issue. So 152 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: if you're advocating on behalf of an organization, you have 153 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: to lead with why it matters to you. You can 154 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: start in with all the facts. We have a million 155 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: dollars and this is why it matters. Well, that sort 156 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: of falls on deaf years. People tend to lean in 157 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: and listen more in a communication, regardless of what it 158 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: is you're trying to convey if you make that personal connection. 159 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: So if you're advocating on behalf of the animal the 160 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: animal welfare community in your local town, you talk about 161 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: how you're a dog owner and how you love your dogs, 162 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: and you know, in a house full of teenagers, nobody's 163 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: more happy to see me come home than my two dogs. 164 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm here today to advocate on behalf 165 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: of this wonderful organization that does great things for our 166 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: pets and pets in our community. It's an example of 167 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: you've seen it before and you'll see it now. I 168 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: tend to tell people after they've had a conversation with 169 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: me that you'll consume news and people's way of sharing 170 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: information a little differently. But it's because the people that 171 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: share and make that connection, that person connection with you, 172 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: even if they're not sitting in the same room, they're 173 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: the ones you're going to lean in and listen to 174 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: just a little bit more, because now you feel as 175 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: if you've been let in on a secret. Why it 176 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: does you care about it? 177 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: Excellent? Well, We're going to take a quick ad break 178 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: and then I will be back with more from Lisa 179 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Camusa Miller. Well, I am back talking with Lisa Camusa Miller, 180 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: who is a communications expert. She's been working in public 181 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: affairs for many, many years. She hosts the Friday Reporter podcast. So, Lisa, 182 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: I got to know you years ago when you kept 183 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: track of your time for a week for a book 184 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: I wrote called I Know How She Does It, and 185 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: some of my listeners may have read it, but I 186 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: talked about how professional women who are also raising children 187 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: spent their time and Lisa kept a time log for it. 188 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: And one thing I noted and I wrote about in 189 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: the book is that you seem to have quite a 190 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: coffee habit, Like there were all these coffees all over 191 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: your schedule, But it isn't that you are addicted to caffeine. 192 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: What was going on there in your schedule? 193 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think we find that in most 194 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: of our life we like to carve out time to 195 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: connect with others. Not everybody does My husband is the opposite. 196 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: He would prefer to never have coffee with anyone. He's very, 197 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: very much prefers to keep his time personal. I like 198 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: to socialize in a way that feels warm, that feels comfortable, 199 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: that feels a way that we can connect, and there's 200 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: no better way. Maybe it's not just in Washington, but 201 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: I do think in Washington, DC, we have a pretty 202 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: good habit of getting out and visiting with people over coffee. 203 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: Because it's about a forty five minute interaction, you can 204 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: learn more about the person. For me, specifically, I was 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: trying to get to know journalists and communications in my space. 206 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: I was trying to get better at my job, really 207 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: understand how better to pitch a story, how better to 208 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: interact with a newspaper that cares about a specific issue 209 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: or a journalist that's in a specific way. And so 210 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: catching someone for coffee is a quick and easy way 211 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: to not only get your caffeine when you have little 212 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: kids and even adult kids, but also too it's a nice, warm, 213 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 2: cozy way to just visit with someone and understand them 214 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: a little bit better. And for me, it always seemed 215 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: to make me better at the way that I did 216 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: my job and did the work that I was doing 217 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: here in town. 218 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, just a way to connect to get to know 219 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: more people in person where that's possible. And you even 220 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: had a suggestion, you know, as one of the things 221 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: that people often think is this trade off is like, oh, well, 222 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: moms can't do happy hours, right, Like, you're not going 223 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: to go out and do you know, the boozing around 224 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: and the socializing, no time for networking, with no time 225 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: for that with you know, especially as you're working with 226 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: people in the upper echelons of business and government and 227 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: many of whom are maybe male in a little bit 228 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: more old school or whatever it is. But you would 229 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: you would meet people for a drink at like four 230 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: thirty pm. Can you talk a little bit about that. Yeah. 231 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: I used to call it wine o'clock. My kids were 232 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: really little, and I would really everybody in this town 233 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: and probably lots of other places would really love to 234 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: get together, would love to get together for a for 235 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: a drink before heading home for the day. And I 236 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: didn't have time to do that. I mean, I had 237 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: to be home when the kids got home, so I 238 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: was always trying to be you know, back to my 239 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: house and ready by five thirty six o'clock with dinner 240 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: ready and everything to go. So we would meet or 241 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: an early we would call them source meetings or wine 242 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: o'clock if you will, because you know, after a certain 243 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: point in the day, there's no time for coffee, right, 244 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: everybody's got a wine. You got to you gotta wind up, 245 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: and then you have to wind down, and so we'd 246 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 2: meet for an early glass of wine and do really 247 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: the same thing. I mean, it was really just an 248 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: opportunity to connect with with colleagues and friends, but also 249 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: give me an opportunity to be home in time for 250 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: the kids to get home from practice, have dinner as 251 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: a family, and then you know, wind down and get 252 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: ready to get everybody off to bed and start our 253 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: next day. 254 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that, just so you know, instead of 255 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: saying like, well, I just can't do that because I 256 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: have to be home, as you know, somebody who wants 257 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: to see my kids in the evening, you found a 258 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: way to make it work. And probably there are a 259 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: lot of people who are excited to meet you to 260 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: get out of work a little bit early, like no, no, 261 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: I have to leave by four thirty today and I'm 262 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: meeting up with Lisa. 263 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: And there are plenty of people that aren't drinking. I mean, 264 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: lots of us have given up drinking too. So like 265 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: now it's like a fro Yo meetup, or it's a 266 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: fro Yo or it's meet up for French fries and 267 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: so like it's it really doesn't matter what the vehicle is, 268 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: they all really are the same sort of social connection 269 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: forty five minutes because it's not a long time. You 270 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: have to be on your way, but you give your 271 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: time and enjoy it. Right, it's an enjoyable it's a 272 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: social interaction, but it's one where you can sit and 273 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: have a little something to visit over and then get 274 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: on with the rest of what you have to be doing. 275 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder if you've seen a difference and 276 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: sort of in person socialization and building networking, you know, 277 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: ones network that way over the past few years, because 278 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, when I saw this on your time Loge, 279 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: obviously this is like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, it was 280 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: it was a long time before the pandemic. And I mean, 281 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: to me, this is not either or it's great to 282 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: socialize in person. There's also ways we can connect virtually. 283 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean, we are doing right now, But I wonder 284 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: if you've seen any sort of change in this kind 285 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: of post pandemic. 286 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: Oh, no question about it. First off, true confession. I 287 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: no longer get up at five o'clock in the morning 288 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: to work out. That pandemic killed that for me, So 289 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm more of a do it over lunch kind of girl, 290 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: you know, Laura. The one thing I'll say is that 291 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: I think people are finding it more difficult to maybe 292 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: get to a specific place. So I do actually schedule calls, 293 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: I schedule zooms. I'll schedule really regardless of whether it's 294 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: in person. In fact, it's why I started my podcast 295 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: because I wasn't getting the opportunity to visit with journalists 296 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: anymore over coffee because they had to be at their 297 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: desk or they had to be on location. But they 298 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: could pull aside for thirty minutes to have a quick 299 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: conversation with me over a podcast, conversation about why it 300 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: is and how it is they do their work. So 301 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: actually it ended up being the catalyst for my own podcasts. 302 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: Fascinating. Well, let's talk a little bit about morning routines, 303 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: because again, when I interviewed you the first time, you 304 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: were waking up at five am in order to go 305 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: do CrossFit before reporting to the office. Now, I will 306 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: tell you I've never done that, so I'm impressed you 307 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: were doing it at one point in your life. But 308 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious what your mornings look like now. 309 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: They're a little slower, which is cool for me. I 310 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: actually have taken a little more time in the morning 311 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: to do a little bit of journaling. I do a 312 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: little time sort of. I read less news lately because 313 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: it feels a little heavy, So I consume at least 314 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: one or two small moments of what's going on in 315 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: the day, and then I'll spend some time journaling. And 316 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: I actually have started to at least two or three 317 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: times a week. I have tried to schedule a workout 318 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: for nine thirty or eleven o'clock, and I'll schedule it 319 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: as if I'm a consultant, and I'm lucky enough that 320 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: way that i can be wherever I need to be 321 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: for client and client work. So I actually try to 322 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: schedule time in the early morning for that workout. So 323 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: nine to thirty is like my favorite time to work 324 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: out because I've had a little coffee, I've reflected on 325 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: all the things i have to do, I've gotten all 326 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: the early deadlines out of the way. I'll go get 327 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: a one hour workout, I'll come back and get a 328 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: quick shower, and I'll be back on my day and 329 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: I'll be back at my desk until six o'clock. And 330 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: I also, here's a big secret. I like to call 331 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: it MMH on my calendar. It stands for my mental 332 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: health because it gives me just one hour a day 333 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: for me that I can step away and go get 334 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: a little fitness in and then come back and get 335 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: started with all the rest of the things that have 336 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: to happen. 337 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Now, that's fascinating that you choose nine thirty or eleven o'clock. 338 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Those are like the two times of day that I 339 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: would actually never choose. And that's because I tend to 340 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: do a lot of my writing in the morning, and 341 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I try to go for as long as I can 342 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: before pulling myself away. And so I've learned, like not 343 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: to schedule eleven am dentist appointments or anything like that. 344 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: I try to do my workout. It's more like two 345 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: thirty three o'clock in the afternoon, which is when my 346 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: brain has kind of drifted southward. It's not doing anything 347 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: else at that point. So I'm curious, are you more 348 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: of like an aft are you able to focus more 349 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: on the afternoon, or is it more that people are 350 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: willing to go back and forth and chat in the afternoon, 351 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: and so that's time you want to protect? 352 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: Why why is that the afternoon around three, between three 353 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: and four o'clock is when I come alive. My writing 354 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: happens in the afternoon, no question, It's always been that way. 355 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: In fact, I could sit at my desk until eight 356 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: o'clock at night, not because I prefer to be locked 357 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: in my desk, but my productivity level goes way up 358 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: after about three o'clock for whatever reason. And so that's 359 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: when my writing really happens, is late in the afternoon. 360 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: So in the morning, I feel like I'm just getting started. 361 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: There's a lot of calls, and there's a lot of confusion. 362 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: I can never write in the morning. Always ends up 363 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: being in the afternoon for me. 364 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: So that's so interesting because then you're not naturally like 365 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: a morning person. No, it sounds like not at all. 366 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: And so when you were you had this schedule, when 367 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: I studied your schedule, that you would go to bed 368 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: precisely at ten PM to wake up at five am 369 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: for your exercise. Is that just more a function of 370 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: having an in the office job and having young kids, 371 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: then that was a schedule. 372 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, there's no The kids would get 373 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: up and they'd be I'd have to take them to school, 374 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: and so I had to be up and ready and 375 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: out the door and I would drop them at eight 376 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: and then i'd be on my way downtown. So there 377 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: was no time in the morning. And now it's really shifted, 378 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: so I do sometimes i get to the office at 379 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: eleven because I've had a quick workout, I've had a 380 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: quick shower, and I'm on my way to the office 381 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: that i have to be at. But then I'm willing 382 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: to stay a little later because everybody drives around here, 383 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: so everybody gets themselves to wherever they need to go. 384 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's interesting to hear how schedules change over 385 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: the course of a life and how people make things fit. 386 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: We'll just take one more quick ad break and I'll 387 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: be back with Lisa for more. Well, so we've talked 388 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: a little bit with Lisa Camussa Miller about her life 389 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: and evolving schedules. She's worked in public affairs for a 390 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: great many years, all right, So we were not waking 391 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: up so early anymore. We're maybe having an ex you know, 392 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: a workout in the morning. We're getting at the desk 393 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: and then working till six or so, you know, cranking 394 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: away on stuff. What do your evenings look like? 395 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: My evenings are pretty chill. I mean, I really I 396 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: do like to cook, so at the end of the 397 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: day nowadays, it's a little bit less of a full 398 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: blown meal. We tend to cook on Sundays. We'll make 399 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: a little bit of everything, a little bit of rice, 400 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: little bit of potatoes, all of the things, and then 401 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 2: the elements of a meal are in the fridge. For us, 402 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: it's because my kids will come home from practice and 403 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: my husband will come home from work, and everyone will 404 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: assemble there whatever it is they want, and then we'll 405 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: end up accumulating all of our things at the kitchen 406 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: counter or the you know, the island in the kitchen, 407 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: and we'll visit for a short bit and then it's 408 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: probably about half an hour to an hour of something 409 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: to watch. I mean, I'm always I'm always working on something. 410 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: I love pop culture. I've always loved pop culture, so 411 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: I've always got a show that I've got cooking in 412 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 2: the background, and then I'm still, though, Laura, I'm still 413 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: hard and fast into bed and closing my eyes around 414 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: ten o'clock. 415 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: And that's because you like having a bedtime. Is that 416 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: something that really works well with your life. 417 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: It's because at my age, I've prioritized sleep over anything else. 418 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: I think that getting a great night's sleep is absolutely 419 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: probably the biggest priority for me because it just sets 420 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: me up for another great day the following. 421 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: And I like the idea of mindfully consuming pop culture. 422 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember from talking with you, 423 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: for I know how she does it is that you 424 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: would make a point of watching whatever was hot because 425 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: you thought you might be having a conversation about it 426 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: as you're meeting all these different random people and trying 427 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: to build a network and all your coffees and wine o' 428 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: clocks early happy hours with people that they might ask 429 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: you about House of Cards or whatever it was in 430 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and you would need to talk about it. 431 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: Is that how you think about pop culture to a degree? 432 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: I think, so, you know, it's a little bit different 433 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 2: now because there are so When we spoke way back 434 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: when it was a little more curated. There were fewer 435 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: channels and fewer opportunities to find those streaming opportunities. Now 436 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: there's so much, so I've taken to watching what I'm 437 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: interested in, but I am always I am always listening 438 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: and reading and consuming something that is popular, not only 439 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: out of my own curiosity, but also too because it 440 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: is it's a conversation starter. There's nothing harder than walking 441 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: into a room. I've come to find this too, there's 442 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: nothing harder than walking into a room and saying what 443 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: do you do? Because it's like here's and then here's 444 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: the report out what I do. So I've tried to 445 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: be a little more thoughtful about asking a question what's 446 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: the most exciting thing you've done this week? Or how 447 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: is your you know, not how was your weekend, but 448 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: what was the one thing that you most enjoyed doing 449 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: this weekend? And that also so can turn into what 450 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: are you watching these days? Because I'm also keeping a 451 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 2: list in my phone of what other people have said 452 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: was worth watching because it's sometimes really fun and also 453 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: in a heavy, heavy news environment with so much news 454 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: happening all the time, it's also a really nice way 455 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: to step away because not only do I spend about 456 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: forty five minutes to an hour watching something before bed. 457 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm also pretty careful about making sure that I have 458 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: about twenty to thirty minutes to read before I close 459 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: my eyes. 460 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, actually asking for book recommendations or 461 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: TV recommendations or movie recommendations can be a great way 462 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: to turn something that if it's a networking event you're 463 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: realizing it's not quite getting you what you were hoping 464 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: out of it. At least you can leave with a 465 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: recommendation for something because you sure ask people about that. Yeah, 466 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: that's right, it's not a total waste of time. So Lisa, 467 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: I always ask people what have you done recently to 468 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: take a day from great to awesome? 469 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: I there are so many things that you can do 470 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: to take a day and go from great to awesome. 471 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: But I would say the one thing that I am 472 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: more mindfully doing is I am promising myself to get 473 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: out into nature, whether it's just a short walk in 474 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: the neighborhood, whether it's taking my two not so well 475 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: behaved dogs for a walk around the block, but getting outside, 476 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: leaving my phone behind, no watch, no nothing like making 477 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: sure everything is left behind and just stepping away from 478 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: the chaos of the day. Something about that makes my 479 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: central nervous system chill out. It makes me feel like 480 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: I've seen the cherry blossoms. I have seen something else 481 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: outside of the four walls of my office and my 482 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: computer screen, and it just makes it improves my own 483 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: point of view just so much that that, to me 484 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 2: is something that I am promising myself that I'll do 485 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: every day, is get outside into nature, and it makes 486 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: my day pretty great. 487 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And what are you looking forward to right now? 488 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to take a trip to the West 489 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: Coast with my seventeen year old daughter. We're going to 490 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: see my cousin, who I have not seen in several years, 491 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: and we are just we have no itinerary. We don't 492 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 2: really have a lot of things we're planning to do. 493 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: We're just going to get up and get out of Washington, 494 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: d C. And see another part of the country. 495 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Sounds exciting, sounds like a lot of fun. Well, Lisa, 496 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: where can people find you? 497 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: I have a website. It's Friday Reporter dot com and 498 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: it shows just about a little bit of everything. It's 499 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: got an opportunity for you to see a little more 500 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: about my podcast about the work that I do here 501 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. I do a lot of reputation 502 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 2: work now, Laura, So I'm giving people a lot of 503 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: counsel about how to build their brand, how to understand, 504 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: how to be part of the community that they're in 505 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: in a thoughtful way. And so Friday Reporter dot com 506 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: is where they can probably find out the most about 507 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: what I'm doing now. 508 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Lisa, thank you so much for joining me. 509 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone for listening. If you have feedback 510 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: on this or any other episode, you can always reach 511 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. And in 512 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and here's 513 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: to making the most of our time. Thanks for listening 514 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: to Before Breakfast. 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