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Speaker 1: I never told your production of iHeart Radio and today

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Speaker 1: we are continuing our tech streak. Yeah, I would say

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Speaker 1: this is in the tech. I'm thinking like I keep

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Speaker 1: gonna do like chunks of things. But yeah, we're definitely

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Speaker 1: for the bigger episodes in tech with some splashes of

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Speaker 1: things here and there with some splashes. Yeah. I also

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Speaker 1: like that you put steak and now I'm hungry. I

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Speaker 1: don't know joke. No one believes me about this. Speaking

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Speaker 1: I've explained it to you. Um butause basically, I've got

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Speaker 1: competing apps. I'm sure it's super easy to fix and

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm on another level. You're ready AI level? Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: which is an episode we are working on as part

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Speaker 1: of this tech mini series. So listeners, if you have

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Speaker 1: any thoughts on that images you want to send very

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Speaker 1: controversial thing right now. People are love hating this thing,

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Speaker 1: extremely controversial. It actually came up kind of a surprise

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Speaker 1: hang out with my friends last night, and they bought

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Speaker 1: if no offense to them, you're you're probably know more

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Speaker 1: So for this episode, you can see We've done a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes on traveling. A while back. Bridget did one

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Speaker 1: that out, I think that is related to this. And

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Speaker 1: then I was thinking, recently we released a classic wherein

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Speaker 1: I did not really explain why I bought up Barbarian

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Speaker 1: when I really listened to the intro of Barbary in

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Speaker 1: the movie, I bought it up. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: related to this conversation because my landlord has recently kind

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Speaker 1: line of Barbarian, which, as I explained, and that I

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Speaker 1: the woman they both book, A woman and a man

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Speaker 1: and she's like, no, that would be ridiculous, like dangerous

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Speaker 1: thought with my landlord is like you you don't. You

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many horrid teals anyway, and Barbarian

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Speaker 1: I would be doing. M That's what we talked about

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Speaker 1: I have learned how to look for hidden cameras surprisingly easy, actually,

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Speaker 1: loss up to eighty percent of their business. Wow, the

428
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: pandemic did see a real jump of women uh using

429
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: Airbnb are are being hosts on Airbnb, in part because

430
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: they were being force out of jobs due to various

431
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: COVID real added reasons which disproportionately impacted women. Talked about

432
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: that a lot in more women joined the platform than

433
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: men of host identify as women, and in the US

434
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: that numbers fi women host new to the platform raaked

435
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: in at one point one billion dollars that year over

436
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: five dred and fifty million of that from the US.

437
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: It's one of these numbers. I'm like, I'm not sure

438
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: we're getting the whole picture here, but women made more

439
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: than twelve billion dollars on Airbnb. Still, a recent study

440
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: found that women on average earn a quarter less than

441
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: their male counterparts on Airbnb. Are we talking about hosts?

442
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: Are we talking about employees? Host host? For sure? Uh,

443
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: women do generally receive higher reviews compared to men six

444
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: of super host, which is, you know, like the best

445
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: rated and most consistent hosts they have a badge are women,

446
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: which coincides with I think socatical expectations around host in

447
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: our service industry in general and women's role in that.

448
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: And indeed, while these numbers have gone up for Airbnb,

449
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: women have generally made up the majority of hosts on

450
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: the platform. Some stats suggest that they make up a

451
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: majority of renters as well. Is it because they're the

452
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: ones in charge of planning so it's in their name?

453
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: It could be your I think that's a big part

454
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: of it. It could be um. I know we we've

455
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: used Airbnb for work a lot, and I'm always the

456
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: one that is in charge of booking them. Not that

457
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: that necessarily says anything, but yeah, that's a good point.

458
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: The global head of Airbnb Hosting, Katherine Powell, claims that

459
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: the trench she sees is more women become host during

460
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: times of transition, where that's you know, maybe you lost

461
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: your job, or you're moving in between jobs or something

462
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: like that. That's when more women become host. Um, And

463
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: speaking of this brings us to so this is our

464
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: history bit, but we did want to talk about some

465
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: of the issues here andally with women. And I think

466
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: going back to what we were talking about in the beginning,

467
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: there's just a whole difference in safety concerns for men

468
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: and women when it comes to traveling at all, but

469
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to staying in an airbnb. And I

470
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: know you and I have talked about this like sometimes

471
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: all the time, I try to find information about the host.

472
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: I try to go and see, okay, are they kind

473
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: of like reading or they left? Like I try to

474
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: find information UM, so that I don't get there. I

475
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: feel like totally unsafe, uncomfortable the whole time. Oh yeah,

476
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: like we even when we did you and I went

477
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: to a cabin. I told you. I went through everything

478
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to figure out everything because I didn't want to

479
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: support anyone who was bigoted or racist, and I didn't

480
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: want to feel unsafe. I didn't want the neighborhood to

481
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: be unsafe. Again, I have a lot of color for

482
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: going into like country settings or US roles stings. I'm like, yeah,

483
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: I have to be really, really cautious because I don't

484
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: want to be uncomfortable for any reason, especially just being

485
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: who I am. UM. And I'm making a lot of

486
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: gestures listeners because that is something that I have to

487
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: think about constantly. And that's one of the things that

488
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: had a big complaint in Airbnb. I'm sure we're gonna

489
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: talk about it that a lot of hosts were racist

490
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: and therefore may change their mind after seeing a person

491
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: um and taking back the reservations and or any of that.

492
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Canceling them and finding excuses to keep the money, which

493
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: is very very concerning in itself. But yeah, like that's

494
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: become a thing. It was like I have to research you.

495
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: I have to look at every single review and if

496
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: it looks any suspicious and if there's no only two reviews,

497
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm less likely to go. Yeah, which sucks because I mean,

498
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you, but it's one of those things

499
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: where you're like the hosts trying to get more reviews, right,

500
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: but no one's coming because you don't have the review right.

501
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: And way back when, I don't think I would have

502
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: thought about it as much as I do today. Yeah, yeah,

503
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: and I don't don't think the things you're talking about,

504
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: like those aren't only Airbnb things, because I was thinking

505
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: about you know, like motels or hostiles especially. I saw

506
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: some people will say, like, you know, at least at

507
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: a hotel, I got a pretty generic experience, like maybe

508
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't like the owner, but I'm not gonna have

509
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: to interact with them or your whole thing. But it

510
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: is like just a fact of life as women, as

511
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: marginalized folks. This is a thing we have to worry about, um,

512
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: and it is we're going to talk about some of

513
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: where it's gone pretty wrong recently. But it's like it

514
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: sucks because you know, if you're you're going on a vacation,

515
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: you're very excited about it, and to show up and

516
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: not feel safe or to have your reservation canceled in

517
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 1: it become a whole thing. Like that's right, heavy side. Okay,

518
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: So I found this really interesting. Lots of women host

519
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: and guest have expressed a desire to work only with

520
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: women um either way, but that is currently only allowed

521
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: if there's a shared living space. But I did want

522
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: to share some of the comments to show you how

523
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: this conversation is playing out, because it basically a host

524
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: had asked, Hey, I'm curious, is this an option I

525
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: can do on a forum? And here are some of

526
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: the responses. Okay, I don't know, I'm a guy. Can

527
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: I just rent to women? Sounds creepy, doesn't It doesn't

528
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: matter your gender. You're fundamentally being sexist because you predetermined

529
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: that there are cons to renting two men. I don't

530
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: fault you for it. The world is a disastrous place

531
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: that can be fickle and terrifying at times. My suggestion

532
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: delete this post post the listing. Deny all male applicants

533
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: with a fabricated, legitimate sounding reason rent to women only.

534
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Problem solved. Don't be some weirdass person baiting people into

535
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: your spike cam invested contraption. If you do, let it

536
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: be known that someone eventually will bludgeon you when you're caught. Hypothetically,

537
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: of course, interesting. I would say, I think it's the

538
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: odd if it was like women only, and yeah, like

539
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: why because I have a partner, you know, like in

540
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: a relationship, I don't understand what's going on. Um, that

541
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: would be odd. But as a woman, Yeah, I'm looking

542
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: more at women. I don't know, maybe I haven't. I'm

543
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But typically it's always been couples and

544
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: more again, like it's become more an organization. That's that's

545
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: doing it, a company. So I'm like, okay, I guess

546
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: that's better. Well, I know, I think ubern left have

547
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: to like women. They don't. They don't, but they talked

548
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: about it. They people have been begging for it, yeah,

549
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: which I get. I had a very informative conversation with

550
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: the driver once and I was like, okay, yeah, another

551
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: episode that we should probably do about ride chairs. Well

552
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: we have a classic coming back, but yeah, we should revisit, yes,

553
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: because it's gotten sketch. And here's another one. You will

554
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: be severely limiting your guess pool if you do this,

555
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: and nine of male guests are not to be easier

556
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to host than female guests. They respect privacy and are

557
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: less critical and demanding. However, having said that, there are

558
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: some males on the earth who failed to respect the

559
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: rights of women, and sadly that reflects on all of

560
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: us men. If it puts doubts in your mind set

561
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: a few visible boundaries, and if you do, the gender

562
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: issue will never happen. That seems really optimistic and ridiculous,

563
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: But okay, I love the they respect privacy and are

564
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: less critical and to man, I mean statistically, women are

565
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: less likely to complain or send things back typically typically yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

566
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: And then here is one less quote. Yes you can

567
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: if the living spaces are shared, and I understand why

568
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: you'd want to, just to ease your mind about being

569
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: physically safe when you're renting to people you don't know.

570
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: There are plenty of Airbnb choices for men if you

571
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: choose to rent to women, So you can, and it's

572
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: totally fine. I love staying at places that are female

573
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: only so that I don't have to worry about the

574
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: anxiety of being physically afraid. Men who have a problem

575
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: with this feel personally rejected, but because they don't understand

576
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: or appreciate the reality of the degree to which women

577
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: feel physically afraid of men every day, I understand. That's fine.

578
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: So I wanted to read it because this comment thread

579
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: was very, very many pages along. This was these were

580
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: the first three companies, and I think there's like a

581
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: more nuanced conversation to be had about the benefits and

582
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: negatives of this. But it was the first two from

583
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: men that was very much like right, it was without

584
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: you telling me I was men. Yes, I made these

585
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: complaints yep. So I just thought that was interesting. And

586
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: then there have been a few stories of hidden cameras

587
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: in airbnbs, but it is worth mentioning that many have

588
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: been debunked weren't actually true. Um, any amount of hidden

589
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: cameras is not good, but just saying do your research,

590
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: they're actually fairly easy to search for. As I said,

591
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I think it gets more complicated when something is cauldored,

592
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: like my apartment. UM. But generally there have been a

593
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: stories of abuse of hosts dying while some people have

594
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: been there, which is horrifying. UM. I did find an

595
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: article all about like how to make your rental more

596
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: women friendly and it was, um, pretty fearmongery and sexist,

597
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: right yeah yeah. And women have shared stories of sexual

598
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: assaults surrounding airbnbs. In an alleged rape that took place

599
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: in a New York Airbnb, the person received a seven

600
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: million dollar uh settlement that was secret um. As part

601
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: of the settlement, she was forbidden from going public with

602
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: her story. In a woman from New Mexico alleged sexual

603
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: assault from a super host on their property. In particular,

604
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: black women have raised their hands about sexual misconducts they've

605
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: witnessed or experienced in The hashtag Airbnb while Black started

606
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: trending after a video showed a white host shoving a

607
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: black South African woman that was staying at her property

608
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: down the stairs in Amsterdam. Um, it was a dispute

609
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: about late checkout and a lot of racist phrases were used.

610
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: People with black sounding names have been disproportionately rejected from airbnbs.

611
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: A recent study found an on a similar note, one

612
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Trump supporting host had to pay five thousand dollar fine

613
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: and take an Asian American studies class after refusing to

614
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: rent to an Asian American guest. So not good. Also

615
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: not good queer guest have phrased issues because yeah, for

616
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: queer people, traveling can be risky. You can look at

617
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world cup Um, Queer couples

618
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: have been kicked out by a host expecting a straight couple.

619
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: One reported having their reservation canceled and then getting the

620
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: message no LGBT people please, I do not support people

621
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: who are against humanity. In response to that, a company

622
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: called missed or BnB got started in with over three

623
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: hundred thousand gay friendly host in one hundred countries. That

624
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: is one. I think there's a couple of companies that

625
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: did that. Um. And this is one of those things

626
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: that I get but annoys me, and it annots me

627
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: that it's a thing. But I do get it because

628
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: it provides some sense of comfort and security and even

629
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: awareness because of the reality we live in. But I

630
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: hate that it is a thing. When someone posted in

631
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: an Airbnb forum about adding an l g B t

632
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: Q plus friendly sattus, the first comment was, oh, man,

633
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: completely unnecessary. If you want to be treated like everyone else.

634
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Stop acting like you're different than everyone else. As hosts,

635
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: many of us have a legal responsibility to treat everyone

636
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: the same. Remember, money has no feelings like that. Even

637
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: though there's many reports of people being rejected. Okay, I

638
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: start a comment from a man. As hosts, we can

639
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: make sure that we treat you equal in giving guests

640
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: the same amount of tell, coffee, tea, etcetera. Why the

641
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: hell would we want to know someone's gender orientation, etcetera,

642
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: or even want to pander to that. I would be

643
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: very suspicious of those that are interested in what private

644
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: things I may prefer. This notion reminds me of how

645
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: far and the gut of the world has gotten. People

646
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: do not want to feel equal. They want to feel special,

647
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: totally different. Most of the time, I get the sense

648
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: that when people are actually being treated equal, they realize

649
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: it isn't all it's cracked up to be and really

650
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: just want to be favored instead. Because being treated quote

651
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: equal is being treated as standard, says the dude who

652
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: has never been harassed or probably stalked and or yelled

653
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: at or rejected. Okay, being to be you go to

654
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: be treated like me, A white man who gets paid

655
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: fine and doesn't have to worry about their safety. That

656
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: would be lovely. That would be lovely. Oh yeah. The

657
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: next two comments were from women, and they were actually

658
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: helpful in my opinion. One said, some gay friends have

659
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: remarked that they don't use Airbnb without a recommendation because

660
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: they are Their friends have been embarrassed in the past

661
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: when their hosts claimed to have double booked when they

662
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: learned they would be hosting a gay couple. I now

663
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: have a stated nondiscrimination policy in my listing. Um. Another

664
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: man said, I still look on this l g B

665
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: t Q plus thing as a fashion. Discrimination is still

666
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: alive around the world and maybe will always be. Ten

667
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: years ago, there was not even the word lbg T here. Uh.

668
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: There was many gays, lesbians, et cetera around, but no

669
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: one was paying attention on them. And I'm pretty sure

670
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: that ten years ago there was less discrimination against these

671
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: people than today. They were also in the closet, So

672
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: a fashion all right. This, by the way, was not

673
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: one of the helpful comments I was mentioning. Just to

674
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: be clear. Um, here's another one. Most definitely not if

675
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: an LGBT person is of the temperament that he or

676
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: she wishes our only feels comfortable surrounding themselves with LGBT host.

677
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Then there are platforms out there that catered for them

678
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: to have your sexuality described on your host profile. Actually,

679
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: what I believe discriminate against non LGBT host in this

680
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: day and age, it really should not be an issue.

681
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: I am talking from experience here as a gay man

682
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: who has hosted on Airbnb for three years. I also

683
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: briefly listed my property on a specialist gay platform. It

684
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: was a disaster with guests expecting much more than a

685
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: room and bathroom for the night. Okay, there's a lot

686
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: to impact there. I feel like this kind of fearmongering

687
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: thing at the end, we've seen a lot, especially for

688
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: target it against transgender people of this sort of like

689
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: deviant perverted sexual being um, which is gross in wrong.

690
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Also like oh, I get oh, I'm trying to like

691
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: find the like point here, but I can see the

692
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: argument that you know, this could backfire in some ways

693
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: for hosts, But also like this is not the argument

694
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: you wanted to right at this whole level of like

695
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: they have rights, they need to be quiet, why do

696
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: they want to be special is obviously very very homophobic,

697
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: like it's everything to do with your discrimination and feeling

698
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: like you may lose to it a status quo like that, obviously,

699
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: what's happening with this conversation and being like, I'm gay,

700
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: I don't do this right. I think it's the same

701
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: thing when like when I wear the Futures Female I

702
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: have a Futures Female hat and every I swear to

703
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: God every time I wear it. At least one man

704
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: tells me I want to live in a few sure

705
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: where we don't even need to say that, and I'm like,

706
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: you know what I do too, But the truth is

707
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: we don't. We did live in a in a moment

708
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: where you thought you didn't have to say it, but

709
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: you should have because that's what made it bad, right,

710
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: So it's kind of that same thing if like I

711
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: get I would also love to live in a world

712
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: where we don't need to think about, you know, putting

713
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: lgbt Q friendly like host status on there, but we

714
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: don't live in that world. We would love to be

715
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: treated equally and not have to worry about our safety

716
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: once again, and that you are going to be respected

717
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: as humans. That would be lovely. Also, we would love

718
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: to get to there. But until that happens and we

719
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: see people stop being murdered for the orientation or their sucks,

720
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: then we'll talk about it. Yeah, it is. We've talked

721
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: about this a lot because it is. It's a frustrating

722
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: and problematic thing because we were talking about that in

723
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: self defense, Like the reality is women do face more danger.

724
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: But then you're selling self defense, right, it's like making

725
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: money off of that. I get it's it's camp located,

726
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: but it's also like we have to not self defense necessarily,

727
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: but this we have to think about the reality of

728
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: the right having a guarantee that you are actually going

729
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: to have that space, um and not show up and

730
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: be like, oh you're not what I thought you were.

731
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: Let me reject you. M that's different exactly. Yes, there's

732
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: also been some uh some issues around able is um

733
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: in disabled Airbnb host went viral on TikTok after she

734
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: shared the story of how Guessed demanded a refund because

735
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: they didn't like her accessible doorbell. The allegations are really terrible, like, um,

736
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: she should have warned them in case they caught her

737
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: disability from her She uploaded the videos to get air

738
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: and B and B attention because like you said, they're

739
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: not great about because they the people continue to stay.

740
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: Uh and then wanted a refund from the host um

741
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: and she was obviously like no, yeah, it was not

742
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: being helpful, so she did it on TikTok. I think

743
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: it's ongoing and then yeah, like this is probably it's more.

744
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: It's denser than what we have for this podcast. But

745
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: there's huge issues around gentrification and Airbnb. Um. It caused

746
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: us a lot of problems in neighborhoods. It inflates housing prices.

747
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: In fact, that Airbnb I mentioned that I stayed at

748
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, across the street it was a sign.

749
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: People have signs in their windows like no Airbnb, right. Um. Yeah.

750
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: In the state of Georgia, they put in a new

751
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: law that you can only have two and one of

752
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: them you has to be your home because it had

753
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: gotten so outrageous. And I know a couple of the

754
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: companies that I didn't realize was a company until like

755
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: I would look through and they would have six listings

756
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: under one person. This is their business. And you start

757
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that, yeah, there's a huge housing

758
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: crisis right now with the inflation happening, So therefore the

759
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: mortgage rates going up. Of course, we're not talking about

760
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: corporations who have also bought giant companies, and and we're

761
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: not talking about individuals who are trying to make extra money.

762
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Like there's a variation of like, okay, this this is

763
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: one way the freedom to do what you want with

764
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: your own space. But when you have corporations that literally

765
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: just profit off of short term um rentals and as

766
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: in opposing to actually having people who live there need

767
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: need to be there and have space there because that's

768
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: where they live UM and they're not available, is turns

769
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: really ugly really quick. Yeah. Yeah, And I think that's

770
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: one of the things I took away from this is

771
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: that I am think Airbnb needs to be more regulated.

772
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: I don't think it the intense was that companies would

773
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: buy up things and people would buy all these properties

774
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: in rentom. I think the original intent was, yeah, it's

775
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it's your place, and you're renting out of space in

776
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: it may year they're not. I think it was early

777
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: on with when couch surfing, like there was a site

778
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: that you could just crash on people's couches. It was

779
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: kind of along that line of just being able to

780
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: afford to travel uh, individually and and and with the

781
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: idea that people are on as good people and you

782
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: can meet new people this way. Um, but that has

783
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: gone so far away from that to being such a

784
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: profit machine billions of dollars worth, right then that's not

785
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: including and I'm sure we're gonna talk about this, the

786
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: cost of fees alone that come out of your pockets.

787
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: Usually it's several hundred dollars on top of the fees

788
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: you're already paying, often at the same time that you're

789
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: told you have to partially clean before you leave. Yes, yep,

790
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: it's quite hilarious. Yeah, yeah, And I do think there's

791
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, being a responsible traveler is a bigger conversation

792
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: too that we've talked about on here. But like you know,

793
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: if we're all kind of getting priced out, like we

794
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: can't afford the hotels, we get the air and b right,

795
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: and then we're coming in we either general royally coming

796
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: in and not supporting the neighborhood that we're staying in, right,

797
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: and then it gentrifies it. It's it's a real problem.

798
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: Often times, like that you had said earlier, people will

799
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: see this as like a kind of a rental card thing.

800
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Do what you want and leave and try to get

801
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: away with like doing the most absurd things, like the

802
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: parties that have her. Like there was this one tweet

803
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: that I just read apparently he had a sex party.

804
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: There was substances everywhere and oh in the and the

805
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Airbnb O it was really nice about it, be like, hey,

806
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: we agree to this. You got this much day, which

807
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: I will settle for three hundred which apparently like probably

808
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars worth. But like so he did a

809
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: go fund me to raise money for that, but like

810
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: to do that, it seems so disrespectful as well, so

811
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: you kind of wonder and then the forn neighbors to

812
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: have to deal with parties. There was one dude that

813
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: was a scammer apparently who wanted to pretend like he

814
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: was a restaurant tour and all he did was go

815
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: around airbnbs and host events but make money off of

816
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: that Airbnb posting events. Yeah, so that some shady stuff. Yeah,

817
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: I've definitely gotten a host, which I was not offended by,

818
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: but they're like what are you? What do? I just

819
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're like, hey, I got you.

820
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: And yeah there have been as you were mentioning a

821
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: lot of recent headlines about fines about basically, you know,

822
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: if you stay at place they you pretty much have

823
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: to clean the whole thing. And then the fines and

824
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: fees are so large people are not I'm not happy

825
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: with it, understandably. I do think there's perhaps a more

826
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 1: nuanced conversation to be had there because I'm not entirely

827
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: sure with them. I don't know. I'd be curious to

828
00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: learn more more about that and the expectations. Airbnb has

829
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: redone those fees, so it's not supposed to be that

830
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: significantly higher. Like at one point I remember looking that

831
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: I would look at something and it'd be like, it's

832
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty dollars a night. I'm like, okay, cool,

833
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: and then I'll be like, wait, there's four hundred dollars

834
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: on top of that. What's happening That changed the price

835
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: completely to being um And so apparently there has been

836
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: a conversation that they are changing those policies and changing

837
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: that amount, but I haven't heard how significantly different it is.

838
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, and they they have had a lot of

839
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: bad blubbs to be lately, like no joke, the horror

840
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: movies and then all the headlines have been going on

841
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: and on just having said nodding, but they are trying

842
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: to fix it. They are the things are moving. I

843
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: bet we'll revisit this in the future. Um And as

844
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: mentioned there, like with your sex party superglue host, which

845
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: I am still struggling to figure out, is it really

846
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: is hard from what I understand to get refunds from

847
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: Airbnb as a host, as a guest, so that it's very,

848
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: very hard. That was when we were talking about earlier.

849
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: The original complaints were from a host where like they

850
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: had a huge razor. This calls all this damage and

851
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Airbnb is not gonna do anything, but I have to

852
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Speaker 1: pay for it. It does have some benefits, as I said,

853
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Speaker 1: I do. I've liked it. I know it has huge problems,

854
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: and I really do try to be responsible, but I

855
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: do like it. Marissa, as I said, she has had

856
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: really great experiences as the travelers where she's in an

857
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: area for a little bit longer, wants it to be

858
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: more personalized than just a hotel. Perhaps she's somebody we

859
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: clearly are not necessarily these people, but she's somebody who

860
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: like talks to the host and becomes friends with them.

861
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Any I think

862
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 1: we're pretty obvious about it. Ex generally we were talking

863
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: about New Orleans, like I had the best trip. They

864
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: were great as in fact, like they were right next

865
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: to us. So the way they had it, um it

866
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: was like their parents home or something, and so they

867
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: left that as an airbnb. They lived right next to it.

868
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: They're accessible, they're very kind. They left us gumbo. It

869
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: was amazing and the location was perfect because they went

870
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: to what was my favorite Vigne plays, the Last Call,

871
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: which was in the park right outside of uh the

872
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: French Quarters. I was like, wonderful and they were very

873
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: lovely and they gave me a positive review. I gave

874
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: them a positive review. I didn't realize until much later

875
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: that we get reviews as people who stayed there. That

876
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: shocked me uberto apparently. But yeah, like we've had great

877
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: reviews and I still look at it now because like

878
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: you said, there's something to that home field, Like I

879
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: do love a good hotel, but having a kitchen accessible

880
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: so in the mornings, to actually have your own coffee,

881
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: to bring your own supplies and have a nice refrigerator

882
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: and if you want to save money, try and cook

883
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: especially for an extended day, it's better. Like I have

884
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: a friend right now who was staying at a hotel

885
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: because her condo is being redone because of mold issues.

886
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: It's taking months, So for her to stay in a

887
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: hotel for a month would be miserable to work from home,

888
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: so she moved to an Airbnb lovely condo. She's like,

889
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: I have open space and I have it feels like

890
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: a home as opposed to just you know, so there's

891
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot of benefit. Yeah, yeah, And I

892
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: think also when you're going with like not just your

893
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: significant other, for instance, like it's nice to not like

894
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: you don't have two hotel rooms you have to come

895
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't know. It's nice to have

896
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: like like shared living space where can hang out. Right.

897
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: I think, just as with all these other tech episodes

898
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: we've done, I think it's fills the needs, and I

899
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: think when in good faith is wonderful, but it needs

900
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: more regulation. And there's a lot of bad actors in

901
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: the appeals. Right, And just like many things in tech

902
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: and many things when it's a startup, they don't consider

903
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: the martialized community. They just come from it with a

904
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: like heteronormative, assist male, white male point of view and

905
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: move on with it. Because we know we've had incidents

906
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: where black renters or airbnb renters have been accused of

907
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: breaking in and doing all these things and not being

908
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: racially profiled many a time when it's supposed to be

909
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: an airbnb. So there's so many things that needs to

910
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: be done. These are good ideas that went completely awry.

911
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: Capitalism happened, and it was done in a perspective that

912
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: they are like, oh, we're all white people, were all

913
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: white men who feel safe? Yeah, less right, No, many

914
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: discriminates against me, So I guess no one would. It

915
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: doesn't happen anymore resaying it yeah, um, and I will

916
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: say Airbnb does have they have anti discrimination policies, they've

917
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: updated them several times, but clearly there's still a lot

918
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: of work to be done. That's another thing is like

919
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: people will report, you know, bad host or whatever and

920
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: maybe nothing comes of it. Like so that's also an issue.

921
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: Uh too, So I we'll see. It's one of those

922
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: things where you can't remove the like sexism, racism, homophobia

923
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: from our society, so it's embedded to this whole thing.

924
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: But I do think it can be improved. Um and

925
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: I hope so so. I'm sure we'll we'll check up

926
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: on that. We do have some tips, but they're mostly

927
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: common sense. We've kind of said a lot of them.

928
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: Look up hosts on multiple sites on the web, read

929
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: the reviews, research the area, familiarize yourself with the platform

930
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: and its tools for reporting anything. Um and yeah, just

931
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, research the area, and be sure

932
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: you're take pictures. Pictures, yea paranoid. Don't record everything, all right,

933
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: I did so many pictures like I didn't do this.

934
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, stamped you absolutely did. You're right, Yeah,

935
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: do that if you don't want to be worried about

936
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: being charged about anything. Uh but yeah, yeah, we would

937
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: love to hear from listeners any of your experiences with

938
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Airbnb are just traveling in general. You can email that

939
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: stuff in your mom stuff at iHeart media dot com.

940
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,960
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941
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: or Instagram and stuff I never told you. Thanks as

942
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: always to our super producer Christina, you're there, and thanks

943
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,440
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944
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