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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Inside

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Speaker 1: the Draft is back for another week. Going to be

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Speaker 1: Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor and NFL free agency is

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Speaker 1: less than a week away, and the Colts have decisions

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Speaker 1: can also start discussions with free agents from other teams

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Speaker 1: starting on Monday during the legal tampering period. Things are

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Speaker 1: going to heat up. We've just had the Combine. Free

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Speaker 1: agency's gonna be interesting, like it always is around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and in the not so distant future, it's the NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft at the end of April. So we're gonna give

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Speaker 1: you some draft talk every week here on Inside the

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Speaker 1: Draft leading into the big event. And this week we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear from Austin Gale, the director of content for

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Myself and Layer Overton caught up with

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Speaker 1: Austin at the Combine to talk about the draft, the Colts,

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Speaker 1: We are back again at the NFL Scouting Combine in

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Speaker 1: downtown Indianapolis. We're talking Colts, We're talking draft, we're talking

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Speaker 1: combine free agencies on the near horizon. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: all of that right now with Austin Gale. He's the

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Speaker 1: director of content for Pro Football Focus. Matt Taylor, Lara

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Speaker 1: Overton from Colts dot Com, Colts Television. You see her

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Speaker 1: all over the place. You got the face and the voice, Austin,

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Speaker 1: So make sure you get it right here. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you get it right pal. Exciting stuff. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys having me. How's it going? The voice? And

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Speaker 1: he's got the credibility, credibility and the sash. Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: long you've been working on that, dude? The stash is

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Speaker 1: honestly been something that I've developed over the last year

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Speaker 1: It's gone. If the joke has gone too long, eventually

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Speaker 1: It would take me three years to grow that stash,

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Speaker 1: I could never grow that with women. It's like get

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Speaker 1: Austin Gale's mustache. That's a first round mustache right there.

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Speaker 1: That's a premium position mustache right there. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Indianapolis. How good does it feel to

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Speaker 1: be back doing this after a year hiatus? Absolutely awesome, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was the last major event for the

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Speaker 1: where it was pre COVID and now obviously the twenty

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Speaker 1: have this layer of normalcy that even other events really

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Speaker 1: So I do love the combine every single year. You know,

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Speaker 1: And some of that is not being here. Because of that,

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