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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. New Fanny May. Survey data shows that

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Speaker 1: nearly seventy percent of Americans believe the economy is headed

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Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. That is incredible. Seventy threes percent

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Speaker 1: say it's a bad time to buy a house. That's great,

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: nation's own GTRE stops by to talk about the shutdown

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Speaker 1: and how Democrats are winning the messaging wars. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to New Mexico Attorney General Raoul Torres about how

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Speaker 1: attorney generals are protecting citizens against Trump. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Soboby, you and I were just talking about something I

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Speaker 2: thought was really interesting, which is a lot of people

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Speaker 2: were like, AOC is an idiot for having said Stephen

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Speaker 2: Miller is shorter than he is. But I think you

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Speaker 2: and I agree about something, which is this was right

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Speaker 2: out of the Trump playbook. It was good because instead

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Speaker 2: of defending the shutdown on for an entire day, those

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Speaker 2: morons on the five, barring Jessica Tarlov of course, and

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Speaker 2: all Fox Primetime was discussing how handsome and what a stallion.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller is.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have to say the last shutdown

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller, they brought out the hair in a can.

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Speaker 1: They've like, yeah, with the hair in the cannon. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a mistake. Let the man have hair, like let.

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Speaker 2: Him cook with the old halloweed costume hair from our childhood.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Halloween costume hair. This freaking is fascism. And

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Speaker 1: I think that was incredible. Laura ingram Is, by the way,

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Speaker 1: just always gives away the game when she gets agitated,

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Speaker 1: and you know she was like but and she made

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Speaker 1: him listen to it. That was incredible, and it's a

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Speaker 1: great example of like, stop being cowards. Just push back.

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Speaker 1: This is not popular. No one wants this. The polling.

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Speaker 1: You know what's a ninety ten issue. The Marines rolling

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Speaker 1: into your city, arresting the people selling you hot dogs,

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Speaker 1: that is a ninety ten issue, or.

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Speaker 2: Who just gets caught up in the mess whatever.

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Speaker 1: Nobody likes this. Nobody wants authoritarianism. And there's a reason why.

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Speaker 1: Like when they did it in the nineteen thirties and

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Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, they did it people on the streets.

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Speaker 1: They were so poor. That was inflation, you know, in

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Speaker 1: crazy ways. It wasn't like, you know, just normal American life.

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Speaker 1: And then they're like, oh, we're going to send in

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Speaker 1: the troops. No, this is real dumb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but particularly like one of the things when we

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Speaker 2: write this section of the show, we're often looking to

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Speaker 2: try to not get caught up and when Trump is

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Speaker 2: doing this and just saying dumb, dumb things and really

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Speaker 2: trying to think about like, Okay, where are the escalations

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Speaker 2: and what is the important stuff, and AOC knocking them

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Speaker 2: about her. I say, keep doing it, keep eating the

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Speaker 2: white running rod correct.

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Speaker 1: And like this is it. This is the way you

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Speaker 1: push back against from But.

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Speaker 2: We do have to discuss the important things of when

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Speaker 2: his rhetoric escalates, which is when he's talking about jailing

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Speaker 2: Pritzker and Mayor of Chicago Brandon Johnson.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, though Pritzker handled it just perfectly.

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Speaker 1: He said bring it on, and he said if he

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Speaker 1: wants to arrest my people, he has to come through me.

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Speaker 1: That said, arresting James call me is a victimless crime.

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Speaker 1: Debby too Tall, he writes trashy books send him to

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Speaker 1: the Hague.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be just fine because he's not up

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Speaker 2: against Rutch.

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Speaker 1: Send him to the Hague. Baby.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get real here, Trump doing this escalation. We

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Speaker 2: should always cover what he does more than it. But

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Speaker 2: a lot of times this has been mornings. Chicago feels

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Speaker 1: An interesting thing that happened in that interview with Raoul

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Speaker 2: Which is at the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: What he said was, I said, you know, are you

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Speaker 1: seeing Trump? Is because New Mexico is a really interesting

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Speaker 1: And said this thing which I thought was really interesting,

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Speaker 1: Like the reason he's going into Chicago, black mayor, liberal

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Speaker 1: you really see how much this is performative and how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and as usual, they are very, very stupid strategically,

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Speaker 2: and here we have great evidence of that, which is

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Speaker 2: Trump's own Labor Department says as immigrant raids are causing

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Speaker 2: a food crisis, and they're warning that we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: And it's really funny because there's reports that Maloney saw

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Speaker 2: things like this had said Ooh, I can't do all

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Speaker 2: the bad things I said I was going to do

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Speaker 2: to immigrants or we're going to be trouble like this,

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Speaker 2: and didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Maloney is a woman, and we are very

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Speaker 1: sexist on this podcast and on this seconds now. Women

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Speaker 1: are better leaders than men. Sorry, Jesse, Listen.

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Speaker 2: I've worked under women and men at a couple of corporations,

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Speaker 2: and I will say that I noticed the difference. Could

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Speaker 2: I try to insult some people who are men that

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Speaker 2: were my bosses right now?

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Speaker 1: By the way, we knew this was going to happen

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Speaker 1: because it happened in the first Trump administration right where

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Speaker 1: they had food shortages where you had fruit rotting in

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Speaker 1: the fields. And also I would like to add this

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Speaker 1: administration has destroyed millions of dollars of birth control, left

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Speaker 1: food to rot instead of going to.

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Speaker 2: USA, destroyed PPE too.

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Speaker 1: Like waste, fraud and abuse, it's coming from inside the

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Speaker 1: administration people, the waste fraud and abusiest administration ever.

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Speaker 2: So my I like to look at Google trend, which

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Speaker 2: is this thing that shows you what people are googling.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to guess what's the top Google on

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Speaker 2: the charts today?

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Speaker 1: Stephen Miller fake.

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Speaker 2: Care shockingly doll plenary authority.

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Speaker 1: Glenary authority? Tell us more?

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Speaker 2: Well, we should listen to this appearance on CNN where

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller appears to glitch out legal insurrection.

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Speaker 3: Does the administration still plan to abide by that ruling? Well,

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Speaker 3: the administration filed an appeal this morning with the Ninth Circuit.

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Speaker 3: I would note the administration won an identical case in

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Speaker 3: the Ninth Circuit just a few months ago with respect

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Speaker 3: to the federalizing of the California National Guard under Title

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Speaker 3: ten of the US Code. The president has plenary authority?

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Speaker 4: Has Stephen, Hey, Stephen, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: It seems Steve, and I apologize.

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Speaker 2: It seems like we're having a So what many people

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Speaker 2: are saying is that when he said this, he was

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Speaker 2: giving away the head of what they were going to

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Speaker 2: argue next is that the executive body has this and

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Speaker 1: Today, it's a legal power that effectively means limitless power.

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Speaker 1: The Trump administration once invoked the term, at least once

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Speaker 1: before an illegal argument as to why the president should

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Speaker 1: be allowed to rapidly deport Venezuelan migrants. It didn't work

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Speaker 1: that time either under the Alien Enemies Act. So it's

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Speaker 1: just like, I'm god king.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds a lot like unitary executive theory.

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Speaker 1: Yes, i am god king. It sounds like it should

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Speaker 1: involve planets, but it doesn't. And that's a little disappointed.

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Speaker 5: Jeet Well get to be on.

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Speaker 1: I'm like in a particularly annoying mood today because I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing some good work out of Democrats. So Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: did this video last night with cursing, but it was like,

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Speaker 1: actually pretty good and pretty clear. Do you see this

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Speaker 4: No, I did not see that video, but I mean,

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Speaker 4: I do actually agree with you on the broader point,

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Speaker 4: which is that the Democrats, particularly with the budget fight,

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Speaker 4: have been showing some real moxie. You're a woman, is

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Speaker 4: like having that inept lever that finally finds your proper spot.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's so funny because I was really skeptical

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Speaker 1: of this shutdown. I thought, you know, Trump has this

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Speaker 1: sum up for the shutdown, which was like Democrats want

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Speaker 1: to give healthcare to illegals, right, that was the line,

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Speaker 1: And I was really like anxious. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that you guys are gonna win the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have the same pain tolerance that

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Speaker 1: enough to drown in a bathtub. Trump really is like

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Speaker 1: like just disassemble the whole federal government. Donald Trump really

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Speaker 1: wants to be loved by his base, and a lot

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Speaker 1: we've gotten to that moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, no, I mean I think this

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Speaker 4: think we want to forget those But when Trump first

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Speaker 4: really that he said I'm not going.

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Speaker 5: To cut social Security and Medicare, like you.

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Speaker 4: Know, and that was able to bring in people into

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Speaker 1: On social Security and Medicare, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Who are like otherwise you know, like very socially conservative

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Speaker 5: And I mean you mentioned Ben and I would also.

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Speaker 4: Mentioned Marjorie Taylor Green, who you know, has done now

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Speaker 4: saying that like, well, you know, of course I don't

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Speaker 4: like Obamacare, but you know, like.

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Speaker 5: A lot of my people, a lot of my people

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Speaker 4: But the paper tiger thing that you just had that

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Speaker 4: by the fact that going back to Trump's like victory,

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Speaker 4: he won the election, but like it was like you

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Speaker 4: you know, he got less than fifty percent of the

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Speaker 4: Everyone was pretending like this guy is like FDR in

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Speaker 4: I always thought that that by picking a fight with

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Speaker 5: I don't think that was the case.

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Speaker 4: And to give him credit, did you see the thing

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Speaker 4: with the Howard Lutnik, but he was like next door

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Speaker 4: neighbors with Jeffrey Epstein, and he had this story about

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Speaker 4: how and his wife were like, you know, when they

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Speaker 4: first moved in, Epstein invite them over and they saw

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Speaker 4: that he had like in the big dining room a

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Speaker 4: massage table and he was talking about it and they

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Speaker 4: were like, I really creeped out and thought like, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 5: This is not the guy.

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Speaker 4: And then the interviewer says, well, you know, like what

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Speaker 4: about like all the powerful people that like went there,

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Speaker 4: like how were they able to ignore that? And and

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Speaker 4: Lutnick said, oh, they participated in it.

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Speaker 5: Ah, So I think.

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Speaker 1: That you know, yeah, wow, way to go, Lutnick. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the resistance, Howard Lutnik.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Howard Luppick, which is like you know, like in

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Speaker 4: Howard Letneck in this one case, you know, just taking.

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Speaker 5: The elementary calm since point of view.

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Speaker 4: So so yeah, I mean I think there's a kind

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Speaker 4: of you know, guy brops because I think that it

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Speaker 4: transcends parton lines in one particular way that there's a

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Speaker 4: kind of elite opinion that he really tries to like

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Speaker 4: thread the needle, and I think a ridiculous way of saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, Epstein bad the people around him. You know,

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Speaker 4: we're like partying with them going down to the island,

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Speaker 4: you know, like whodos You know, I don't think anything

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Speaker 4: that's being well served by being naive in that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gid here, will you please come back?

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Speaker 5: Of course, I'm always happy to be on.

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Speaker 1: Raoul Torres is the Attorney General of New Mexico. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics again. Am I supposed to call you

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Speaker 1: attorney Attorney General General tore Yes.

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Speaker 6: No, mom, you just call me Raoul.

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Speaker 5: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: So you're the attorney general of the state of New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: New Mexico is an important state to me for any

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Speaker 1: number of reasons. But it's also really important because it's

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Speaker 1: like a blue state, but a poor state with a

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Speaker 1: mix of diverse people. And also I think you guys

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Speaker 1: are the canary in the coal mine A lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about what's going on with you guys

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Speaker 1: in Trump two point zero, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the last time we were on this podcast, because the

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Speaker 1: last time we were on this podcast, after we stopped recording,

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Speaker 1: we had this conversation and I said, I felt pretty

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Speaker 1: good about this. I think Harris is going to win,

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Speaker 1: and you said to me, nope. So in July I

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Speaker 1: knew that. In July we saw Democratic attorneys general like

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Speaker 1: starting a plan for what it would look like in

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Speaker 1: a Trump two point zero. So I knew there was that.

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Speaker 1: But tell me why you were so confident that Harris

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to take it over the line and what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing now and how that relates to what's going

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Speaker 1: on right now.

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Speaker 6: My perspective was mostly informed by my role as the

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Speaker 6: surrogate for the Harris campaign. And I went to Arizona

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Speaker 6: because I think they felt confident that they had New

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Speaker 6: Mexico in hand, and they ended up winning here, although

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Speaker 6: by a smaller margin than had occurred in the previous cycle.

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Speaker 6: But I went to Arizona and a few things struck

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Speaker 6: me in the sort of the grassroots level. I was

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Speaker 6: shocked by the number of out of state anversers and

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Speaker 6: volunteers who did not seem to have a close connection

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Speaker 6: to the community. And frankly, they were going out into

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Speaker 6: working class Hispanic communities and talking to folks in those

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Speaker 6: communities that seemed like there was a misalignment between just

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Speaker 6: the messengers that they had on the ground. But more importantly,

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Speaker 6: and I remember calling my wife, and I don't know

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Speaker 6: if I mentioned this last time we talked, but I

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Speaker 6: saw on repeat the now infamous ad about transwrits and

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Speaker 6: about the question that was posed to Vice President Harris

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Speaker 6: and how Donald Trump had framed it as she is

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Speaker 6: for Davam and is for you. It was one of

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Speaker 6: those moments where in New Mexico, because at that moment

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Speaker 6: we weren't a battleground state, I was finally seeing the

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Speaker 6: full brunt of the messaging war that was going on.

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Speaker 6: It just occurred to me that there was a real

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Speaker 6: powerful message that was being delivered, and one that I

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Speaker 6: think was obscured by the anger that it provoked amongst

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Speaker 6: a lot of Democrats who I think really took it

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Speaker 6: at face value as trying to provoke prejudice and bigotry

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Speaker 6: and those sorts of things. And I'm not going to

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Speaker 6: deny that that was clearly part of the message, but

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Speaker 6: a more important part of the message, at least from

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Speaker 6: my perspective, was this idea that Democrats were focused on

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Speaker 6: issues that were not central to the day to day

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Speaker 6: of working people. And so that subtext that catch line

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Speaker 6: about him being focused on you and what you're going through.

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Speaker 6: And Vice President Harrison and the Democratic Party written large

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Speaker 6: focused on other issues that are important to communities who

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Speaker 6: have been fighting for equality for a long time, but

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Speaker 6: they were not of central importance to people who were

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Speaker 6: struggling to pay the rent and get access to healthcare,

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Speaker 6: who were worried about crime and disorder. And it just

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Speaker 6: struck me that there was going to be an erosion,

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Speaker 6: particular clearly among not just working class people generally, but

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Speaker 6: working class Hispanics. I was seeing that also in New Mexico.

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Speaker 6: I was seeing that up and down the Rio Grande Valley.

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Speaker 6: And you know, that was born out with the results,

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Speaker 6: but it's also born out sort of in the long

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Speaker 6: term trends. I spoke recently to a group here in Albuquerque,

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Speaker 6: and we talked about the erosion of support that the

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Speaker 6: Democratic Party has had over the last forty or fifty years. Here.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, sixty.

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Speaker 6: Four percent of registered voters in the state were Democrats.

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Speaker 6: That numbers now forty two percent. If you look at

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Speaker 6: the Republican voter registration, it's perfectly flat, right.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't gone up, but hasn't gone down.

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Speaker 6: It's remained relatively stable when you kind of peel that

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Speaker 6: back and you try to understand, well, who is no

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Speaker 6: longer as committed as they once were to the Democratic

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Speaker 6: Party and has a sense of loyalty to that party.

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Speaker 6: It's people that, frankly, are very familiar to me. There

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Speaker 6: are people in my family. They're rural New Mexicans and

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Speaker 6: folks and families like mine who came into the party

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Speaker 6: frankly through FDR. They came in through the depth of

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Speaker 6: the Great Depression. They recognized that there was somebody in

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Speaker 6: the White House who cared desperately about what they were

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Speaker 6: confronting in their day to day lives, who cared about them,

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Speaker 6: who wanted to lift them up and give them jobs

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Speaker 6: and give them hope and all those things. And for

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Speaker 6: a number of reasons, the centrality of that argument has

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Speaker 6: been maybe not replaced, but somewhat obscured by other issues,

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Speaker 6: and most importantly by cultural issues that don't resonate as

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Speaker 6: much with more conservative elements of the Democratic Party's sort

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Speaker 6: of brand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is true if you were a Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party running against a normal Republican, if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: make a case against the Jeb Bush. Yes, affordability, but

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Speaker 1: that is not what we're seeing. And so I want

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Speaker 1: you to talk about this because Trump really did make

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Speaker 1: huge inroads with Latino voters, and now he has turned

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Speaker 1: around and is arresting them, and Justice Kavanaugh Bread Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: has you know, the Kavanaugh stop right. But the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court now says if you look like you might be Hispanic,

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Speaker 1: you are allowed to be racially profiled. So I take

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Speaker 1: no pleasure in being right because what we're seeing now

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Speaker 1: is just cataclysmic. But are people threading the needle there?

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Speaker 1: Are they not? Are they not seeing it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how are they making peace with that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think this goes to a larger problem, frankly,

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Speaker 6: within the Democratic Party's understanding of Latino community and how

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Speaker 6: they are sort of activated and mobilized politically. There has

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Speaker 6: been an underlying assumption for a very long time that

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Speaker 6: there was going to be an automatic sense of solidarity

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Speaker 6: between Hispanic Americans who are in the community and have

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Speaker 6: been participating in the community for some time and recently

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Speaker 6: arrived immigrants, and that is I think not true. Right,

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Speaker 6: A big part of that now, to your point of

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Speaker 6: all the thing that I have talked about publicly, the

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Speaker 6: hypocrisy and the blatant racism at the heart of Kavanaugh stops,

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Speaker 6: which is I think what they should be called is

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Speaker 6: a shocking sort of development in the Supreme Court. Of

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Speaker 6: all the things and all the outrages that we've experienced,

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Speaker 6: you know, this is a court that's said unequivocally that

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Speaker 6: the best way to end race discrimination is to no

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Speaker 6: longer discriminate on the basis of race. And they said

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Speaker 6: that with respect to college admissions in justifying ending affirmative action.

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Speaker 6: But apparently that only applies to the process of allowing

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Speaker 6: someone to go to college. It has no application, apparently,

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Speaker 6: and shouldn't be allowed to inhibit police officers or ice

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Speaker 6: agents who are randomly racially profiling people. But there is

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Speaker 6: a problem in the democratic messaging on the issue. What

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Speaker 6: I focus on is the impact not only on the

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Speaker 6: Latino community generally, but on citizens specifically. Right and a

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Speaker 6: lot of times when we talk about the impact of

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Speaker 6: these raids and these abusive tactics, we focus on the

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Speaker 6: whole problem without delivering a special message to Hispanics, particularly

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Speaker 6: Hispanics voted for Donald Trump with the underlying assumption that

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Speaker 6: when he was talking about doing.

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Speaker 1: This right, he wasn't talking about them.

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Speaker 6: He wasn't talking about me, he was talking about those

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Speaker 6: other people. Right.

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Speaker 1: So trende Aragua gangsters who are ten people?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, And so there is a disconnect at the

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Speaker 6: national level because when we focused on how this is

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Speaker 6: impacting immigrant communities and undocumented peoples, which is unjustifiable and

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Speaker 6: horrific in its own right, but there needs to be

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Speaker 6: another message that's delivered to Hispanic citizens people like, you know,

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Speaker 6: my family has been in this country for a very

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Speaker 6: long time. There's lots of people who've been in this

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Speaker 6: country for a very long time. And there are certain

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Speaker 6: members of our community who voted for Donald Trump thinking

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Speaker 6: that he meant a totally different thing for a different

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Speaker 6: group of people. But that's not the reality. And we

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Speaker 6: as a party, we haven't we haven't talked enough about that.

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Speaker 6: It's like there's so much outrage and there's so much

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Speaker 6: brutality that we haven't focused on the fact that there

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Speaker 6: are American citizens that are now walking around with their passports.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's disgusting. There are American citizens who are

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Speaker 1: getting deported. Just like when years and years ago this

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Speaker 1: government did this to Mexicans. They did, in fact deport

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Speaker 1: lots of citizens so from what I understand, Like, for example,

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Speaker 1: I was talking to someone who does a lot of

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Speaker 1: reporting in Miami. Cubans are largely Republican, or at least

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Speaker 1: there's a large group of Cubans in Florida who are Republican.

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Speaker 1: I was being told stories of like them seeing relatives deported,

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Speaker 1: and they were like, but that wasn't what we signed

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Speaker 1: up for. And I agree that Democrats have to message

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Speaker 1: on this hard, but aren't Republicans also messaging on this

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Speaker 1: hard By deporting.

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Speaker 6: These people, they're leaning into this message that we were

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Speaker 6: going after our criminals and that's.

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Speaker 1: But it's not true. I mean, we see video, it's

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Speaker 1: not true.

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Speaker 6: There are people that have criminal records that are being stopped.

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Speaker 1: And it's twenty thirty percent.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the vast majority are people that are, you know,

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Speaker 6: outside of a home depot, parking lot, trying to find work,

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Speaker 6: people that have been in the country for a very

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Speaker 6: long time that have no criminal record.

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Speaker 1: But in Chicago, it's like they're going into people's apartments

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Speaker 1: and they're taking out their children. And I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think this is what's so problematic about this moment is

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Speaker 1: that Democrats are sort of forced to message because there

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Speaker 1: is no mainstream madea anymore. So, like Governor Pritzker, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching this presser yesterday or two days ago, and he's

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Speaker 1: talking about how the ice agents killed someone. Had I

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Speaker 1: seen it on social media, I would have thought it

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Speaker 1: was not true. But when I heard the governor say that,

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Speaker 1: and know that he's very legit and I know the

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Speaker 1: people work in office, you know, I was like, holy shit.

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Speaker 1: The Havanaugh decision.

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Speaker 6: I think it's one of those decisions that people fifty

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Speaker 6: or one hundred years and now will read sort of

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Speaker 6: like we read the dread Scott decision, or we read

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Speaker 6: the Koramatsu decision, or we read one of these decisions

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Speaker 6: that is so just willfully blind to the reality. I

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Speaker 6: mean this idea that, oh, these detentions are short, and

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Speaker 6: you know, someone you know has a brief encounter and

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Speaker 6: then they are, you know, quickly released. No one thinks

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Speaker 6: that that is true. No one on the streets of

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Speaker 6: any of our communities thinks that the encounter they're going

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Speaker 6: to have with a masked federal agent who doesn't have

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Speaker 6: to wear a bossy camera, who's armed with the long gun,

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Speaker 6: and who is going to throw somebody to the ground,

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Speaker 6: is going to have this sort of respectful interaction with people.

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Speaker 6: But the idea that in twenty twenty five the United

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Speaker 6: States Supreme Court would officially sanction racial profiling as an

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Speaker 6: accepted practice of any law enforcement agency, it's astonishing, but

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Speaker 6: it puts into sharp relief the consequences frankly, again, and

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Speaker 6: it's a little bit of what we're talking about before

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Speaker 6: of losing national elections, right, we cannot afford to lose

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Speaker 6: use the elections because we cannot afford the opportunity to

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Speaker 6: appoint justices in lieu of Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Barrett

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Speaker 6: and Justice Gorsuch because they are enabling this lawlessness on

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Speaker 6: a daily basis. And I think, frankly, the long term consequences,

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Speaker 6: which we still don't know yet how it's going to

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Speaker 6: fall out, is this internal struggle I thought would break

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Speaker 6: a different way in Chief Justice Roberts. He obviously is

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Speaker 6: somebody who just sucks. He came from the conservative legal movement.

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Speaker 6: He was an ardent opponent of the Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 6: He was a Reagan lawyer. Like he's very clearly a conservative.

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Speaker 6: But when he was elevated to be the Chief Justice,

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Speaker 6: I thought his commitment to securing the independence, and frankly,

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Speaker 6: the institutional reputation of the judiciary would force him to

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Speaker 6: draw a sharper line, not on some of these other

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Speaker 6: cases that you know are around the unitary executive. But

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Speaker 6: I mean, take birthright citizens but.

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Speaker 1: Birthright citizenship is not up well even to sanction the

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Speaker 1: government's policy on the shadow docket. Right, that is inexcusable.

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Speaker 6: This is not only playing constitutional text, it is playing

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Speaker 6: constitutional text that has already been interpreted by the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I just want to get back to sort

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Speaker 1: of what's happening though right now in New Mexico. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what are you seeing Trumpism play out? And how you know?

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Speaker 6: I think, for for the most part, we have not

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Speaker 6: seen the kind of widespread immigration enforcement that you've seen

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Speaker 6: those other places.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of this is performative. I think, frankly,

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Speaker 6: it's you go to where the cameras are, you go

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Speaker 6: to where you're going to get attention. You go to

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Speaker 6: those places, and I don't think they'll get as much attention.

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Speaker 6: I also think that this is a place where they

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Speaker 6: where they will have pretty substantial pushback.

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Speaker 1: You are much more likely to.

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Speaker 6: Have an encounter with an American citizen of Hispanic descent

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Speaker 6: whose family has been here for hundreds of years and

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Speaker 6: throw one of them to the ground. And it may

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Speaker 6: actually be a Trump supporter that you throw to the ground.

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Speaker 6: So you go to a Portland, or you go to

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Speaker 6: a Chicago, or you go to one of those places.

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Speaker 6: I think for us, the more dramatic effect has been

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Speaker 6: felt in the cancelation the cuts right, the cuts to NIH,

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Speaker 6: which we thankfully were able to restore.

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Speaker 1: Wait, how were you able to restore the NIH cuts?

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Speaker 6: We're actually been winning in court in court, at the

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Speaker 6: lower court, and a lot of what happens is the

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Speaker 6: administration tries a whole range of unlawful activity, mostly through

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Speaker 6: Omb and Russell Vote or other executive agencies, the cancelation

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Speaker 6: of grants and the conditioning of grants. We have had

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Speaker 6: a really high record of success at the disport level.

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Speaker 6: And because none of this is legal right, and that

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Speaker 6: includes with very conservative judges. The country Right, the birthright

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Speaker 6: Citizen decision was a conservative judge who ruled on that.

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Speaker 6: The recent decision in Portland that was a Republican appointee

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Speaker 6: it's only when it gets up to the shadow docket

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Speaker 6: that things.

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Speaker 1: Sort of fall apart.

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Speaker 6: But we are actually having success in restoring certain funding.

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Speaker 6: We got restored funding for Voca, for example, for crime victims,

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Speaker 6: So we're having some of that success, and there's a

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Speaker 6: lot more concern that I hear from physicians or people

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Speaker 6: that are relying on these types of moneies. The latest

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Speaker 6: was in the context of the budgets shut down. We've

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Speaker 6: had one hundred and thirty five million dollars of proposed

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Speaker 6: energy grants that have been shut down. And there are

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Speaker 6: a number of businesses, and this is an interesting sort

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Speaker 6: of overlay. There are businesses who have already made investments,

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Speaker 6: they've already funded the money, expecting matching federal dollars, and

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Speaker 6: then that's not happening. There is a lot of inbound

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Speaker 6: traffic into our agency from people who rely on federal dollars,

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Speaker 6: who've built their business plan around it, or their organizational

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Speaker 6: and financial structures around it, and then had the rug

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Speaker 6: pulled out from under them.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's not.

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Speaker 6: That front line sort of kinetic conflict that we see

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Speaker 6: in most of the other cities.

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Speaker 1: In Florida, in red states where you have these cuts,

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Speaker 1: these NIH cuts, I guess that the state government is

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Speaker 1: not pushing back that same way, and so explain what

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Speaker 1: happens then.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So one of the most consequential procedural decisions to

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Speaker 6: come out of the Supreme Court is the elimination of

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Speaker 6: what are known as universal injunctions. Right, and so what

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Speaker 6: would happen is this coalition of Democratic ags is twenty

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Speaker 6: three of us. We would file and we would win,

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Speaker 6: but we would win nationwide injunctions that would protect people

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Speaker 6: even in Red states and other jurisdictions. Well, now we

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Speaker 6: are only able to protect the people in our jurisdictions

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Speaker 6: or parties that have explicitly, you know, obtained their own

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Speaker 6: counsel and filed their own national What that means is

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Speaker 6: before if I prevailed in a court in California or

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Speaker 6: here in New Mexico, I could get a district court

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Speaker 6: judge to enjoin that action nationwide. That no longer is true.

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Speaker 6: And so when in red states with Republican AGS, they

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Speaker 6: are simply unprotected by these cuts. And so you end

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Speaker 6: up with this patchwork, disparate enforcement, different rights, and access

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Speaker 6: to different sources of funding and agency action. And it

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Speaker 6: creates just a lot of chaos, because especially if you

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Speaker 6: think about going back to birth right citizenship, think about

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Speaker 6: that right. That's the problem with allowing the policy to

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Speaker 6: move forward in those places that are not subject to

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Speaker 6: the injunction. So now we're developing a system where we

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Speaker 6: have people who are born in certain red states, they

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Speaker 6: may move to blue states, or they're in blue states

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Speaker 6: and may move to red. How are we managing the process,

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Speaker 6: the administrative process of ensuring proper documentation and access to

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Speaker 6: passports and all those other things.

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Speaker 1: Wild stuff. Thank you, thank you, Thank you, General tourist,

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Speaker 1: thank you. No more perfectly Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: So Mally, you know, one of my favorite subjects is

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Speaker 2: the made up thing that Antifa is this thing that

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Speaker 2: exists everywhere. It is plenty abound, and they're hiding all

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Speaker 2: over the place. One of our most psychotic politicians, Texas

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Speaker 2: Attorney General Ken Paxton. He's going to get to the

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Speaker 2: bottom of it. Just you wait and see the best.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what happens with Ken Paxton,

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Speaker 1: mostly known for adultray.

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Speaker 2: Right, almost getting impeached.

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Speaker 1: That's right, kit Packs, and he did almost get impeached.

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Speaker 1: He did also leave his wife for his mistress. The guy.

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Speaker 1: He's filled with moral turpitude, so he wants to infiltrate

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Speaker 1: leftist terra cells. His first one. He's going to start

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Speaker 1: with his Patagonia.

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling he's going to break into it

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Speaker 2: a real fucked up yoga studio. That's a hot yoga

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Speaker 2: studio in Austin.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you hot yoga. It's going to be one

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Speaker 1: of those Bickram studios where you're not allowed to drink

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Speaker 1: any water for the first ten minutes. And it's going

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Speaker 1: to be Ken Paxton in the Bickram studio finding the

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Speaker 1: terrorices and stopping Antifa.

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Speaker 2: Lucky us, I hope on his way out, in the

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Speaker 2: little section where they sell Patriadams, he gets some local honey.

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Speaker 2: It was delicious when I got it there. When you

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Speaker 2: and I were at Austin last time.

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Speaker 1: All I can tell you is that Ken Paxson is

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Speaker 1: running for Senate and they're basically ruining the state because

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Speaker 1: Avid things he'll be president one day, which surprise, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to be, and Paxton thinks he's going to

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Speaker 1: get John Cornan's seat. So between the two of them,

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Speaker 1: they will do anything to exercise planetary authority. And make

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Speaker 1: Trump the mango god king. The Planetara sanitary the best.

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Speaker 1: It's like Planet Yery, but it's got a planet in it.

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Speaker 1: It's all happening. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear

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