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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Uh. My name is Ben.

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Speaker 1: In My useless skill that I've recently picked up is

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Speaker 1: um is the periodic table. I now know all eighteen elements.

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Speaker 1: Give it to us? Sure? Do you want him in order?

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Speaker 1: Do you want him alphabetically? Do you want them? Buy?

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Speaker 1: I want them in order of how you feel right now? Ben,

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Speaker 1: give us like a poetic interpretation of the periodic table.

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Speaker 1: I'm know all by the way, you're all yeah, And

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Speaker 1: that's our super producer, Casey Pegram. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because there are a lot of weird names there, and

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Speaker 1: I think it would make a fantastic episode for Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 1: This was also a suggestion from uh from Kathy Welsh

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Uh, it would make a fantastic episode to

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Speaker 1: to explore some of the weirder stories behind the elements. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I like Prometheum, you know, named after Prometheus of myth. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Prometheus of course, the one who brought fire to humanity.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a that's a positive and poetic

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Speaker 1: one that didn't go well for him. Though, did it? Ben?

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Speaker 1: Didn't he end up chained to a rock with the

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Speaker 1: eagle eating his liver? Did I make that up? No?

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Speaker 1: That's correct. There's also um Tantalus gets a shout out

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Speaker 1: in the periodic table. You know, that's the origin the

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Speaker 1: word tantalizing, very very titillating word. Yeah. Yeah. It was

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Speaker 1: up to his neck and I think up to his

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Speaker 1: neck and wine, and he had food from a branch.

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Speaker 1: But every time he tried to sip the wine or

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Speaker 1: eat the fruit on the branch, it moved away from him.

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Speaker 1: He was tantalized. That's that's some serious psychological terrorism right there.

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Speaker 1: Those those uh, those ancient mythical figures. I really knew

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Speaker 1: how to punish each other, didn't there. It also goes

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Speaker 1: back to the earlier psychological quirk we were talking about

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Speaker 1: with humanity, where people like to uh, people like to

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Speaker 1: have a little schadenfreud. They like to experience vicariously bad

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Speaker 1: things happening to other people, kind of like those orchestrated

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Speaker 1: train wrecks we talked about last week or the other day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the other day, the other day, what some other day?

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Speaker 1: But I have to ask you, guys, do you have

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Speaker 1: like a favorite element or ally, they all just kind

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Speaker 1: of same same to you. Oh No, I like Helium

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Speaker 1: a lot, mainly because I really like the band Helium

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Speaker 1: and Mary Timmany. So that's one that appeals to me. Ben,

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Speaker 1: when you say you learned all of the elements, did

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Speaker 1: you learn it in like song form? Because I know

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Speaker 1: there's that scene in Breaking Bad when um Gus Spring's

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Speaker 1: character meets the chemist Gael um Bennet and he's singing

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Speaker 1: this like song with all of the elements and to

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Speaker 1: the to the tune of a modern major general from

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Speaker 1: uh the HMS pentaphore. It's like, uh, something that Barry

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Speaker 1: aminmentium and kept me Amazon. I don't know the actual ones,

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Speaker 1: but that's did you learn it that way? Ben? I

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Speaker 1: gotta know your your device. No, no, I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: There are some There are some great songs out there

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Speaker 1: periodic table and for countries. Of course, shout out to

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Speaker 1: the Animaniac song, which holds up even though there are

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Speaker 1: is a very interesting story of a kind of inadvertent

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Speaker 1: we're going to call this one exploding pants. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: In a situation similar to that exploding phone epidemic with

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties found their pants smoldering, catching fire, or

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Speaker 1: called the Significance of Mr Richard Buckley's Exploding Trousers Reflections

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram. You can find us

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Speaker 1: kind of a vaguely satanic social media program called Pentagram?

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Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Yeah, that's interesting. How would it work?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Divining, you know, black mirrors walking around

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Speaker 1: winter winter shin winter s? I always think it's winter

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Speaker 1: Shin's like you know better better. It's like when you

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Speaker 1: I'm not on Pentagram, doesn't exist yet, but you can't

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Speaker 1: find me on Instagram. Where I am at? How now,

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown? I've been on a bit of a role posting,

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Speaker 1: you know, memes and cooking stuff. I've been doing a

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Speaker 1: the world. What what what you put? Okay? So it's

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Speaker 1: I kids you not, all of that liquid absorbs into

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Speaker 1: nice nice. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've been cooking quite

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Speaker 1: I haven't posted pictures of that, but I think that's

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Speaker 1: where you're you're going. Did you say your Instagram handle gosh,

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Speaker 1: I sure didn't, Ben, it is at how now Noel Brown. Ben,

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Speaker 1: I would very much love to see some of your

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Speaker 1: cooking your I'm always seeing stuff from your girlfriend. She

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Speaker 1: some from you. Where can folks do that? If you

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Speaker 1: so choose to share, Sure you can. You can find

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Speaker 1: updates on my quarantine Beard and various misadventures on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Ben Boland or on Twitter at Ben Bolan h

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Speaker 1: s W. So check it out. Say hi, we always

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Speaker 1: love to hear from you, and we hope that this

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Speaker 1: episode find you well in non flammable or at least

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Speaker 1: non explosive pants. Thank you so much for listening. Folks

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Speaker 1: in a casey pegram, thank you for hanging out. It's

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Speaker 1: weird because usually when we're in the studio, the place,

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Speaker 1: the spot that I usually sit in your face is

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Speaker 1: obscured by a by one of the bars of the windows.

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Speaker 1: Bar of windows. Maybe not the best best way to say,

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Speaker 1: but it makes it sound like we're in podcast jail.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, we went from podcast jail to pandemic jail

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Speaker 1: right And by the way, folks, pro tip if you

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Speaker 1: want to keep your pants from exploding. Don't wear pants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time fast m hmmm. For more

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