1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. The third hour of Clay and Buck 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: gets going right now everybody. Right now, as we speak 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: to you, RNC chair RONA McDaniel is fighting for reelection. 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: They're having the r NC meeting out in Dana Point, California. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Dana Point, Clare, I hear it? 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: I think so? Where is Dana Point? Exactly? I was 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: waiting for you to tell me, buddy, you're the I've been. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: I've been all over. I think it is. Well, I'm 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: gonna look it up now because I think I have 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: been to Dana Point. Um. I spent so much time 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: out in California over the years, Orange County, So yes, 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: I think I have been to Dana Point. I've spent 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: so much time in the LA area. Um that it's 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: not a bad area, right. Um. I know there is 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: a lot of anger over the way California is run 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: right now, but because sports is based out in LA, 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: I've spent years of my life, it feels like often 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: on traveling out to LA and been everywhere. Lots of 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: great friends out there, so Data Point very nice area. 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: I think that California as a physical as a physical 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: location is one of the hardest places to beat in 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: the in the US. Yeah, I know, their national parks 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: in Montana. There's a lot of a lot of rugged 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: beauty out there. But if you're a beach and coast guy, 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: California is pretty amazing. And look, we can hold for 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: one day California regaining its you know, governing sanity. It's 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna take a while, it might take a few decades, 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: but it could happen at some point. California is a 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: state that gave us Ronald Reagan. California used to be 31 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: a pretty solidly Republican You go back to the days 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: of Nixon and it's pretty solidly Republican state. And here 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: we are now seeing that it's uh, not that anymore, 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: that's for sure. So they're voting. They're voting as we 35 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: speak to you, the Publican members of the RNC are 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: voting on who will be the next Republican National Committee Chair. 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Looks like it's going to be either harm Meat Dylan 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: or Rona McDaniel, who has had the job for years now. 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: And you know, how much of a difference does the 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: RNC chair make. I think that's a fair a fair point, 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: or a fair question to bring up. And I do 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: think harm Meat is very widely respected. I know Harmeat 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more than I know Rana, and I 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: do think that there's just a sense people have Clay 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: that after a few disappointing elections, which certainly twenty eighteen 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two all disappointing. Now you could argue that 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty with the exception of the presidency, you know, 48 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: went under the circumstances somewhat you know, somewhat well, but 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: certainly twenty eighteen was not good. People forget twenty eighteen. 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: It looked like the Democrats didn't do that well in 51 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: the House in terms of pickups, and then it actually 52 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: ended up doing very well overall, or was something of 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: a delayed blue wave there. I do think that new 54 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: new strategy, new approach is very compelling right now. It's 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: not even a knock. I don't know Ronna. I can't 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: speak to her managerial skills or anything else. Sometimes you 57 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: just gotta shake it up, right, I mean, wasn't Trump 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen what was really at the heart of 59 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: the whole thing shaking up and at some level also 60 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: just smashing parts of the system. I think that it's 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: time for time for some change within the RNC. I 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: think that would make a lot of sense. Well, I 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: think the bottom line, you just have to replicate to 64 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: get out the vote effort that we've seen Democrats take 65 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: advantage of since the COVID changes. And you can keep saying, oh, 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: we only vote on election day, but when you look 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: at the numbers, when you're trying to replace a huge 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: deficit by a big turnout on election day, I think 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: you have to recognize that the game has changed, and 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: you need some young, dynamic leadership to acknowledge and recognize that. 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Speaking truth here, Republicans have not won the popular vote 72 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: in a presidential election since two thousand and four. That's 73 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: a generation, that's twenty years. Basically, we'll see what happens 74 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, but how do you get back 75 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: to winning the popular vote? Particularly considering that, I think 76 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: it's fair to say Democrats by and large have lost 77 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: their minds and their governing style has been a failure 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere California where we started talking about earlier. 79 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: The larger the blue denomination is in a state, the 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: more people are choosing to leave that state California, New York, Illinois. 81 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: When Democrats take complete control of government, then really bad 82 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: things follow and people are voting with their own physical 83 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: possessions and their location and abandoning blue states in favor 84 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: of red states. So Publicans have to cash in on this. Yeah. 85 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: I think that it's fair to say that there's some 86 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: great things about the mindset of you know, the the 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: ethos the philosophy of a of a conservative. Just as 88 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: a very general thing, we look at what has worked, 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: what does work. We look at history, we look at tradition, 90 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: foundations of our society. We're suspicious of radical change. We're 91 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: suspicious of people who say they have all the new 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: all the answers are new. Forget about what has been 93 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: known up to this point. All the answers are presented 94 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: suddenly they've just been found. The downside politically, though, and 95 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: I mean from a nuts and bolts running the machine 96 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: side of things, is when it comes to adapting to 97 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: new technology, to new strategies, to new laws, even that 98 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: are on the books. I think Republicans can be slow. 99 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: I think that we you know, we like and of 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: course tradition is a great thing and the traditions of 101 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: our republic are something that should be upheld and protected. 102 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: But we can't always be traditional in how we get 103 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: out the vote right. We can't always be traditional and 104 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: how we're reaching people in this sense that adaptability and 105 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: being sometimes on willing to look at what is working 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: for your opponents as a means of information dissemination, as 107 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: a means of getting your message out to people that matters. 108 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: And I do think that we're in a point now 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: where everywhere that there's going to be a political contest, 110 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: we got to think of, you know, how do we 111 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: get the low probability vote around, you know, somebody who 112 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: might who would probably come for our side, come out 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: for our side, but might not show up at all. 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: How do we get people who are independents to swing 115 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: to our side? How do we get base turn out 116 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: to be as absolutely high as possible? And this is 117 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: where you get into discussions about early voting, mail in voting, 118 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: ballot harvesting, and also messaging. We're talking about social media 119 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: the other day. I know for a lot of people, 120 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: politics is shaking hands and knocking on doors. Still very true. 121 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: And our friends who have run for Congress recently both 122 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: successfully and unsuccessfully to come on this show. We'll tell 123 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: you that's still a big part of it. You know, 124 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: old school fundraisers, you know, having that having the chicken 125 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: dinner and having everybody show up and you know, donate 126 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: what they can. But there's also Facebook, and there's TikTok, 127 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: and there's Instagram, and there's giant email lists and they're 128 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: sorting through data, and that's where the r you know, 129 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: it's like, where does the RNC matter? Yeah, distributing money, 130 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: but distributing money intelligently and strategically in a way that 131 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: you win the elections. You need to pursue the agenda 132 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: because an agenda without wins is just talking points and 133 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: also getting people who are Republicans to actually vote Republican. 134 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: Because if you look at the close races in Nevada 135 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: where I'm out right now, the governor's office was pretty 136 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: much the only incumbent that flipped nationwide. But if you 137 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: look at Georgia in the herschel Walker race, if you 138 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: look at Nevada, if you look at the state of Arizona, 139 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: you can be focused on independence and Democrats, but really 140 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: the reason why Republicans lost in those states was because 141 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: they had people who flipped over and were willing to 142 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: vote Republican on many races, but voted Democrat. They split 143 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: their tickets. So that has to be acknowledged and looked at. 144 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: By the way, we're talking about two different stories that 145 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: have been ongoing throughout the course of the program. The 146 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: release of the Paul Pelosi video, which we will continue 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: to break down. If you haven't seen it, you can 148 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: go watch it yourself. We've played the nine one one calls. 149 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: We kind of pieced together everything on that case. Also 150 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Tyree Nichols, twenty nine year old Memphis dad who was 151 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: killed by five black Memphis police officers. That video is 152 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: going to be released at six pm Central, seven o'clock 153 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: on the East coast and at four pm on the 154 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: West coast. Could lead to could lead to some danger 155 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: out there, and we put out the APB for Memphis resident, 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: what are you seeing? What are you hearing? Will take 157 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: your calls on that. We're also want to take your 158 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: calls in this final hour for any law enforcement that 159 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: wants to react to the Paul Pelosi video. Maybe you 160 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: guys do as well. The number eight hundred two eight 161 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: two eight eight two, And I believe Katie and Memphis, 162 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: calling to give us a sense for what's going on 163 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: in the city of Memphis. Katie, what does it feel 164 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: like in Memphis right now as people in that city 165 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: get ready for the release of the police video. Yeah, 166 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Memphis City schools have canceled 167 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: all after school activities, so no games, nothing, Everything is 168 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: shut down after school. And that's a pretty big deal. 169 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you off, Katie, But in Memphis, like 170 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: no basketball games going on on a Friday that would 171 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: be fairly common in the state of Tennessee Friday night, 172 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, high school basketball. All of that's been canceled 173 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: at all schools and all events. That's a pretty big news. 174 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, correct. And also I think there's 175 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: winter dances this weekend. Those have been canceled. And but 176 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: now suburbs, I'm in the suburbs. Those suburb schools are 177 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: all activities as usual. Are you at all nervous about 178 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: what the fallout is going to be in Memphis when 179 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: this video comes out based on what has been already 180 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: shared and conveyed publicly. Absolutely, everyone I've talked to is nervous. 181 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: I've been out running there in grocery store shop, and 182 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of here in the Midwest. When it snows, 183 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: everyone runs to the grocery store and they say, I'm 184 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: planning on staying in for the next few days. That's 185 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: kind of the sense here. Everyone is just very apprehensive. 186 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying, we're praying for our city. 187 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: That's just kind of the feel around here. Everyone is praying, 188 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: loving on each other, telling everyone to be careful of 189 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: these safe and stay in, thank you for calling in, 190 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: and you know play, there's just everyone knows we've been 191 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: through this before, and the country dozens if not hundreds 192 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: of different cities across America, I've been through this before. 193 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: When there is anger about an incident of police violence 194 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: in some whatever the specific case may be, destroying things 195 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: only makes everything worse and where we should all be 196 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: very there's there's no leeway on that. There's no there 197 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing but but support and respect for people 198 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: using their First Amendment rights to get out there in 199 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: the streets and say this was unjust, to come together 200 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: to try to heal as a community, to call for 201 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: it now. I do want to talk if there are 202 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: already a discussion of policy change and we could we 203 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: should have that discussion, because I think we need to 204 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: be very careful about calling for policy changes in an 205 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: emotional moment that will actually result in more violence for 206 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: more people, which is this is reality. We're having discussions, 207 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, among people that want the best for every 208 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: community and community, including the community of Memphis. But it's 209 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: so beyond the pale this point that there would be 210 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: you know, Antifa or you know BLM, anarchist types or 211 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: whom ever taking up this, taking up this as a 212 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: moment to attack innocent people's stores or homes or property, 213 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: or to throw rocks at the faces of cops who 214 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: don't actually have anything to be sorry for because they 215 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: weren't there, they didn't do it, you know what I mean. 216 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: It's you know, we need to come down a lot 217 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: hard if any of that stuff happens. The whole country 218 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: needs to come down really hard on those who still 219 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: think that burning down or looting your local store is 220 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: somehow achieving justice. Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's why 221 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: to start the show, I said, you know, in addition 222 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: to praying for the people of the city of Memphis, 223 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: I think so many National Guard, State Guard, police officers 224 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: who are busting their asses and working incredibly hard to 225 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: try to protect everybody across this country are now going 226 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: to be unfortunately targets if there is going to be 227 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: an uprising in these cities. And I talked about this earlier. 228 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: I want everybody back home safe. Yeah. I remember when 229 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: during the BLM riots summer of twenty twenty, there was 230 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: there was video and I mean there was a lot 231 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: of this stuff all over the place. But when there 232 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: were some federal officers who were sent to try to 233 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: help protect a courthouse that it was having molotov cocktails 234 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: and incendiary devices thrown at the courthouse. They're trying to 235 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: light a courthouse on fire, federal court building. And then 236 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: they were shining lasers in the eyes, you know, these 237 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: laser pointers with the hope that they would blind people, 238 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: which is a horrific thing to try to do to somebody. 239 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: And they were throwing bags of urine and feces at 240 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: these police officers. That's someone's dad, you know what I mean, 241 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 1: This stuff really gets forgotten. That's someone who's doing a 242 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: job that's just that our country, that our people have 243 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: asked them to do. They're standing on that line. They're 244 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: protecting our society. And as long as they do, do 245 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: so honorably and within the law. They should be respected 246 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: and supported, and instead you have these lunatics literally throwing 247 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: bags of urine and it was disgusting, disgusting the stuff 248 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: that So it's not even just the lens against the 249 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: cops from these anarchist groups that should be absolutely abjectly condemned. 250 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: It's the complete disrespect of law enforcement that happens. Maybe 251 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: this is not even a discussion we have to have 252 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: at all. Maybe people act appropriately despite their very emotions 253 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: are running very high, and people are gonna be very upset. 254 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: We've been told that, and understandably so. 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The Tyree Nichols 282 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: video of his beating in depth proposed arrest to be 283 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: released at six pm Central, seven o'clock on the East coast, 284 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: four o'clock on the West coast today. What does it 285 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: feel like in that city right now? John? In Memphis? 286 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: What are you seeing on the ground. I work for 287 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: a utility company, saw, I'm in and out of town 288 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: all the time, all around town. It's not that bad 289 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: right now, there's not I don't feel a lot of tension. 290 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: I work with a lot of guys, a lot of 291 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: African American guys. You know, we're getting along fine. It's 292 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: not a lot of tension at work, and it doesn't 293 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing going on around town right now. It doesn't 294 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: seem like it's we're hoping it doesn't get too bad, 295 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: and we're thinking maybe, so you're cautiously optimistic based on 296 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: what you're seeing that when this video comes down, that 297 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: Memphis may stay peaceful and calm. Yeah, we're hoping. So, 298 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, the weather's gonna move in, it's gonna turn cold, 299 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna start raining, We're gonna get fleet and ice. 300 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: So maybe maybe maybe the releaseless timed with the weather 301 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: maybe to dissuade folks from getting you know, a little wild. 302 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're hoping we're hoping that's that's interesting. I 303 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: s you sharing that because if there's a weather system 304 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: coming in that could factor in as well. With the 305 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: decision to release this video at at six pm Central, 306 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: that's a good bit a bit of knowledge there. I 307 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: didn't have absolutely. I mean, this is true whenever there's 308 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: concerns about a protest that could morph into a ride 309 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: of some kind. Weather has a big factor. You know. 310 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: Weather has a big factor on crime and weather it 311 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: can make a big difference on a whole lot of 312 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: different realities of the streets. So let's just hope it's 313 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: a it's a quiet and peaceful weekend or a peaceful, 314 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: law abiding weekend, a better way of even putting it. 315 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: We'll come back into more of this in a moment. 316 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two two eight two on the phone lines, 317 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: give us a call. 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Now we just 345 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: refer to somebody as the chair, the inanimate object. I 346 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 1: don't know. It seems kind of strange to me if 347 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: you're if we're not. I hadn't even thought about it, 348 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: but that's interesting. I had, I guess, so, yes, you 349 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know, it's like if if 350 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about I don't know, I think it's it 351 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: strikes me as it strikes me as as a bit odd. Um. Anyway, 352 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: the RNC voting is underway right now. We'll tell you 353 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: if we have any updates on that. It's either gonna 354 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: be Harmad Dylan or um Ron McDaniel. And that's going 355 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: that's going on right now. Also, the White House is 356 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: briefing right now in the West wing. Karine Jean Pierre, 357 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: she just said she was asked about the Tyree Nichols case, 358 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: said that the White House wants justice for Tyree Nichols. 359 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: She said that for his family. Um, she did not 360 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: specify much beyond that, such you didn't want to weigh 361 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: into heavily into this case. And Clay, you know, right 362 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: now we haven't seen usually by this time. I think 363 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you would start to see video now I could. I'm 364 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: just going on what has happened in other instances like this. 365 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: Usually you start to see video of the gatherings that 366 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: do often start out with just people together. I haven't 367 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: even seen that yet. So there is still the possibility 368 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: here that there will be nothing in the way of 369 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: extreme destruction or any kind of any kind of riot 370 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: situation in Memphis. That's possible. We haven't seen any video 371 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: of anti fog gathering or any of that, so we're 372 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: all hopeful for this. One thing that I do want 373 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: to point out, Clay, is that there's a discussion right 374 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: now that's already underway. New York Times is reporting on 375 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: it that the Nichols family is calling for substantial changes 376 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: in policing after this incident. We still haven't seen the videos, 377 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: so we're talking about an incident for which there is 378 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: far more conclusive evidence than what we have been able 379 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: to see in the general public. But they want the 380 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: disbandment of the unit. This is the family and the 381 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: lawyer speaking on behalf of the Nichols family, which I 382 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: believe was called the Scorpion Unit. I think in general, 383 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure have you seen that too. 384 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: By the way, it's called a Scorpion Unit. No, I haven't. 385 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the specifics, but that that I think 386 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: you're hitting on something that is going to become a 387 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: very important conversation here. And we'll play a couple of 388 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: these audio clips here in a sect two to kind 389 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: of contextualize. But we got to be careful that we 390 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: don't allow it George Floyd two point zero situation where 391 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: all police get lambasted as awful individuals and crime skyrockets 392 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: again all over the country, as if these bad cops 393 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: are representative of everyone. It's exactly what I want, what 394 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: I want to get us to now on our discussion. 395 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: I just was looking up YEA scorpion. It's an it's 396 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: it's obviously a word. It's an acronym for Street Crimes 397 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: Operation to Restore peace in our neighborhoods. It is a 398 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: fifty person unit in the Memphis Police Department that is 399 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: supposed to specifically address violent crime. Now, Memphis has is 400 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: a top three Clay Top five, one of the most 401 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: violent cities in the entire United States. So here's here's 402 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: what we definitely know. Memphis needs serious and and um 403 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: well supported police and enforcement of the law desperately needs that. Okay, 404 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: it's it's falling far short of what it should have. 405 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: I am reminded though by this call, and I understand 406 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: it's it's an emotional time people. You know, it's tough, Clay, 407 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: because you say, let's have a conversation about policy, how 408 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: change things, how to make sure that there aren't incidents 409 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: of this kind of police violence that that occur. Now overall, 410 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: and this is where you also get the statistics. Police 411 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: violence of this kind is fortunately very rare when you 412 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: look at the numbers in this country of arrests police interaction. 413 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: Our cops are and I think people forgot this after 414 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: George Floyd and we know what happened. Our cops are 415 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly good people doing a critical job, and they deserve 416 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: support and thanks for it, not all obviously, but overwhelmingly. So. 417 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: This unit reminds me a little bit of the discussion 418 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: that we had a New York City. Remember they after 419 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: George Floyd, Remember what they did. They got rid of 420 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: this plane closed unit that was really the anti street 421 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: violence unit. Now, these are guys who and I know 422 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: about these guys from when I was spending time in 423 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: the NYPD. These are guys who are our veterans of 424 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: the department know their neighborhoods well, know how to read 425 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: the street. I mean, these are the guys doing the 426 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: real cop work. You know, I was sitting in an 427 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: air conditioned office looking at fancy reports and you know, 428 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: reporting to the commissioner and the deputy commissioner. Those guys 429 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: were the guys tackling somebody who you know, was just 430 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: trying to you know, bludge and Grandma and steeler purse 431 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: in the street. You know that those are the guys 432 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: who were doing that kind of work. They got rid 433 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: of that, and what happened, violence skyrocketed. Now what that 434 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: means is they got rid of an aggressive police unit 435 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: in New York and more people, and disproportionately more black 436 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: and Hispanic New Yorkers were the victims of heinous, violent 437 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: crimes once the unit was gone. So we have to 438 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: look at the honest reality of the consequences of the 439 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: police reforms that people are calling for here and not 440 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: just be pushed by emotion. I think that's right. And 441 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: the legacy of George Floyd in criminal perspective, right, Like, 442 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: what has happened in the wake of the George Floyd 443 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: incident was violence skyrocketed, murders skyrocketed all over this country, 444 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: and the demonization of police made everybody less safe. So 445 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: we understand sometimes police commit crimes. These five officers have 446 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: been charged with second degree murder. They've already been arrested 447 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: before this video even comes out. Sometimes police break the law. 448 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: When that happens, they deserve to be prosecuted. But it 449 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that all police everywhere should be disrespected or 450 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: that you have to necessarily change what the policies that 451 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: are in place are. And sometimes in reacting to awful 452 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: viral videos and incidents, we erase all of the positive things. 453 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: Remember this is important about Memphis, Bucket and I talked 454 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: about this in the first hour. City of Memphis, as 455 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: you mentioned, one of the highest per capita murder rates 456 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: and violent crime rates in the entire country. Also, just 457 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: in the last six to eight months, they had the disastrous, awful, 458 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: brutal murder of Eliza Fletcher, a mom who had gone 459 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: out for a jog in Memphis and was attacked by 460 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: a guy who had been let out of jail early. 461 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: They'd since have passed some laws in Tennessee to try 462 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: to stop that from happening. My home state. Also, the 463 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: guy went on Facebook buck and videoed himself driving all 464 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: over the city of Memphis shooting innocent people that came 465 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: in close proximity to that. People said, hey, we need 466 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: more protection from violent criminals in Memphis, and now you 467 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: have police who were supposed to be protecting people potentially 468 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: committing a crime as well. It can simultaneously be the 469 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: case that police need to be more able to do 470 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: their job in Memphis and that some police are bad. 471 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: That can happen. That's a reality, yes, and that's what 472 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: the real conversation if it's about preventing police excessive use 473 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: of force while also keeping people safe. And if you're 474 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: looking at the difference, how many people are the victims 475 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: of excessive force, certainly of lethal excessive force in Memphis 476 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: versus how many people are going to be shot if 477 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: there's an additional crime wave, right, you're talking about a 478 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: far greater loss of life, far more violence against the 479 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: people of Memphis or any city where you would apply 480 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: this same situation. In twenty twenty twenty two, there were 481 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: three hundred and two homicides in Memphis. There were three 482 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: hundred and forty six homicides in Memphis in twenty twenty one. 483 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: By way of comparison, New York City in twenty twenty 484 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: two had, according to CompStat, four hundred and thirty eight murders. 485 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: Clay Memphis has how many? I mean, I got to 486 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: look at the population of Memphis round It's less than 487 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: a million people live in Shelby County. Now, I don't 488 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: know how they define the Memphis population as a whole. 489 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: Memphisihis city. The city of Memphis they say is six 490 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. So with six hundred thousand people, Memphis had 491 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: over three hundred murders. With eight point five million people, 492 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: New York City had four hundred four hundred plus murders. 493 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: To give some folks a sense of how concentrated the 494 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: violence is in that city. Bring this up because is 495 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: disbanding disband the Scorpion Unit. Look, I'm gonna I wouldn't 496 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: call thing for law enforcement purposes. I think I would 497 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: stay away from, you know, things that sound menacing. I'm 498 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: just gonna say it. I don't think that's a great, 499 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, pr move. You know, if you want you know, 500 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: SWAT is an acronym, and you know that that doesn't 501 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to call things like, you know, 502 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: the cobras or the scorpions or things like that. If 503 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a police unit, I'm just calling police a violent predator. 504 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: Not necessarily a great move, right, but okay, but that's 505 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's something that's that's a straightforward fix. That said, 506 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: what happens if you disband this unit? Because if the 507 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: answer is, let's just say this based on the data, Clay, 508 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: if the answer is, let's disband the primary anti violence 509 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: police unit in Memphis and only replace it with violence interrupters, 510 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: which is a very people on the left will talk 511 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: about this. It's kind of like social workers who are 512 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: trained to intervene and more social workers, which is what 513 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: actually some of the anti cop movements often talk about. 514 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: You are going to have three hundred and fifty murders 515 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: again in Memphis over the next twelve maybe maybe they 516 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: leaven get even higher than that over the next twelve months. 517 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: That's what's going to happen. So we need to be 518 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: honest about the reality of policy and policy change when 519 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: it comes to law enforcement. We'll play some of this 520 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: audio to close out the week in advance of the 521 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: release of this video, and hopefully again people of Memphis 522 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: and around the nation will be able to not respond 523 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: violently here, and hopefully everybody who's out there trying to 524 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: protect the streets will be will be safe. But we'll 525 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: close out the show and the week with that call 526 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: for peace. Actually from the mom of the of the 527 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: victim here, Tyree Nichols, I want to tell you, though, 528 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: I am on the road right now. I'm out in 529 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: Las Vegas having a fabulous time. 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I want to 550 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: play a couple of cuts here. This is Rovan Wells, 551 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: who is the mom of Tyree Nichols, calling for calm 552 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: on Thursday. She does not want anybody out in the 553 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: streets protesting. Let's play cut twenty five. It's going to 554 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: be horrific, but I won't each and every one of 555 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: you to protests in peace. I don't want us burning 556 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,239 Speaker 1: up our cities, tearing up the streets, because that's not 557 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: what my fun stood for. Okay. I also want to 558 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: play this giving you an indication the family has already 559 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: been shown the video. Lots of political figures already shown 560 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: the video. This was also the mom this morning talking 561 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: about what watching the video was like for her. Again, 562 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: Rovan Wells, mother of Tyree Nichols. Listen to this cut. Yes, 563 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: he creep for me because I'm his mother, and that's 564 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: what he was trying to get home to safety. And 565 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: it was funny. I was in the room earlier and 566 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: my stomach started hurting so bad and I went into 567 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: the d N. I told my us, but my stomach 568 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: is hurting so bad. And once I found that would happen, 569 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: it was just a fit that I was feeling my 570 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: son's pay. I was feeling my son's pay when they 571 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: would beat it to death. So it's gonna be brutal 572 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: based on all I mean, that's incredibly difficult for any 573 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: mom or dad to think about it. And again, reports 574 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: are from the Memphis Police Chief. This twenty nine year 575 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: old who was pulled over five black cops have been 576 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: charged with murder, that he didn't do anything wrong. And 577 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: so the content when this video comes out, and reports 578 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: are that it's coming out at seventy eastern four o'clock 579 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: on the West coast, six o'clock after dark in Memphis 580 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: on Friday, I hope people say stay peaceful, but that 581 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: is the mother of the victim here speaking out. Well. 582 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: It just also shows that anyone who takes this as 583 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: an opportunity to attack innocent people or destroy innocent people. 584 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 1: I mean, to engage in their own violence and destruction. 585 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: Is doing so against the explicit wishes of the family 586 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: of the victim here, So they cannot pretend to be 587 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: some kind of warriors for justice here for the family, 588 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: the family has said, please stay peaceful, don't do anything 589 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: in our son's name that is going to hurt innocent 590 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: people or destroy or create anarchy in the streets. And 591 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, credit to the mother, because I can't think 592 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: of anything that would be more more emotionally difficult than 593 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: watching the video and what she went through as a mother. 594 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine something more difficult than that. But 595 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: for her to have the strength of character and ability 596 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: and and frame of mind to say, we grieve, we'll 597 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: speak out about this, we should seek justice for this, 598 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: but to do so in a way that doesn't create 599 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: injustice in the process. Anyone who's paying attention to this 600 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: case knows that that that Tyree's mother has spoken out 601 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: in this way, and so there shouldn't be any confusion 602 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: if people decide that they're going to use this for 603 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: their own they're going to hijack this moment for their 604 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: own purposes. Uh, to just express their rage or political 605 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: points or whatever the case may be. And they've already 606 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: charged all five cops to a second degree murder. So 607 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: this idea of hey, there's not being justice meted out 608 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: in form of police charges. And by the way, all 609 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: five of these police officers, because you are presumed innocent 610 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: until guilty, is entitled to the fullest defense of the law, 611 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: and they may have a defense that has not been 612 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: publicly delivered yet. So you have to keep that in 613 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: mind as you go forward, that all five of these 614 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: cops have the right to a jury trial of their 615 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: peers and to be presumed innocent charged. I cannot remember 616 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: a time when there has been so much official commentary 617 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: about something that the public we we don't know. We 618 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: sit here, we haven't seen the video. As your point 619 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: about the five officers, there may be a whole range 620 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: of culpability that comes out from the video. You know, 621 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: we just don't know. And so that's why you know, 622 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: every hopefully everyone will keep a calm head on the 623 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: streets of really every American city this weekend, um and 624 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: we'll see this video the next couple of hours. Obviously, 625 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: we'll be talking about a clay a lot on Monday. Yeah, 626 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: and I hope we're talking about peaceful protest and not 627 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: multiple American cities burning and lots of riots. We're praying 628 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: for the city of Memphis, been a rough, rough six 629 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: to eight months there in particular, and also for all 630 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: the police officers, all the National guardsmen, State guardsmen that 631 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: are going to be called out to potentially have to 632 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: protect the cities the communities that they serve, who do 633 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: nothing but give their lives, put their lives on the 634 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: line every single night. We're thinking about all of you 635 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: on the Clay and Buck Show as we roll into 636 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: the weekend. We'll be back reacting to everything that happens 637 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: here on Monday as well. Also a lot of discussion 638 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: about the Pelosi tape earlier in the show. If you 639 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: missed that, go subscribe to the podcast. We'll see you Monday.