1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the six Podcast. I am Bucky Brooks. But 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: I have someone I'm dying to talk to because I 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: wake up and turn on the phone and I look 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: up at Twitters going up us and I have one 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: of my favorite and if I never reporters, James Palmer 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: on and James, how you doing. I'm good, Buck, I'm good. 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: I listen. I've been wanting to jump on home with 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: you guys, like for an eternity, maybe I should just 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and ask you to come on. 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: But I was like quietly waiting, you know, like I'm 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: stop man, I'm so I'm here doing good more football 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: all week, And so I get a chance to talk 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: longer than forty five seconds, and now you get another 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: do you know what? Like that is one of the 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: things that is great about One you talk about good 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: morning football, but two when you get chance go on 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: the podcast, you get the empty out of the notebook, 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: You get out everything that you want to say, and 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: you get an opportunity to do it without someone saying 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: rap rap rap rap raping your here, Like I just 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: gotta make a point, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, So so 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: this is funny. So let's let's just have this be 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: like an empty the James Bomber notebook. And so I 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: want to start on what I found out today. Like, 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: so I opened up Twitter and Twitter as a buzz 27 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: because of something that you said about Jesse bas and 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Beings. But those who don't know, uh, deadline 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: to get the franchise tag the guys signed to a 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: long term deal was Friday, and so Jesse Bates, I 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: guess they said that maybe there were a couple of million, 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: four million dollars apart on a deal, couldn't get it done. 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: And so you went on Good Morning Football and you 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: dropped a little nugget on Bass. So let's let's let 35 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: you restate what you said on The Morning Football. Yeah 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even I'm begging for time here. 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Now I got it. I think after Joe Burrow, Jesse 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Bates is the most important player to the sense Sati days. 39 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: And the reasons for that are this. First off, I 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: had them on Good Morning Football play Joe's quote about 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: Jesse and the Hortons that in Joe Burrow's mind, he 42 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: has to the team, not just a great player on 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: the field, but he's like off the field, what he 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: does for our locker room and what he does for 45 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: our team is is second to none. I think, you know, Buck, like, 46 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: you don't get to the super Bowl without guys like 47 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: that in your locker room, without making sure things are 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: held together. The importance that Joe also pointed out, and 49 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: I do like that Cincinnati has an earl in the 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: early portion of his career come to him and asked him. 51 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't make a call, but they at least include 52 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: him in the conversation of hey, look at this player, 53 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, when they're getting into draft, like, what do 54 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: you think at least he has to say in some 55 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: sense they listened to him. Whether he you know, we 56 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: was the meter at all, who knows, but at least 57 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: he's included. And he said, you know, remember, Jesse has 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: been through the really low points of our organization, and 59 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: in his mind, Joe, let's reward the guy who has 60 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: been through it, been a great player when we weren't 61 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: a great team, and now he was a huge part 62 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: of us getting there. The reason I believe all of 63 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: that is kind of you know, good faith and good 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: good for your locker room and all of that sense. 65 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: But to me, with this defense does with Lou and 66 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Remo and I was with them throughout the postseason and 67 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: I was on them for the Super Bowl, is they 68 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: change week to week so much, they change within games 69 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: so much. The AFC Championship games the perfect example that 70 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: everybody talks about what they did in the second half 71 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: and adjusting for Patrick Mahomes the game I was at 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: and Jesse made the key play in overtime and to 73 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: to to win that game for the interception. Um So 74 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: what he has done is he's the leader of that communication. 75 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: He's the one who holds that together. He's a big 76 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: part of making sure everybody's where they need to be. 77 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: And they have I love the way before we were 78 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: talking they have try hard defense. That's a perfect way 79 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: to put it as you put it, But they have 80 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to say holes, but they're not uber 81 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: talented everyone. And when your safeties are really good and 82 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: played together as well as him and von Bell do, 83 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: that is I think the most important part of the 84 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: way this defense operates, specifically in the a f C, 85 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: with all of these quarterbacks, they can go down the 86 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: field with all of these weapons, going down to remember 87 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: talking to Jesse before they were playing the Charge and 88 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: he was like, communication, this week's gonna be on another 89 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: level that how much I gotta talk to everybody with 90 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: with Keenan Allen and all these guys going downfield, I 91 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: gotta be talking more than I ever do. The point 92 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: of that is if that's being told to me over 93 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: and over again and you lose that and you did 94 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: draft the safety, but you lose that caliber of player, 95 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: not just skill wise and what he can do range 96 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: E ten picks in four years, two of them in 97 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: this last postseason. Like all of what he does in 98 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: terms of commanding the defense is so important to how 99 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: they play because they need to make opportune plays. They 100 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: need to be in the right spot at the right 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: time to make a big play because they're not uber 102 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: talented as an as an entire unit. And I think 103 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: that's my point, because you know, jamar Cha is a 104 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: great player, great player. I actually on the show on 105 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Monday picked him to be you know, we had to 106 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: pick somebody who we think can make a jump to 107 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: be a in the conversation, to be the best receiver 108 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: in football. He he I think he has the ability 109 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: of a year two already, but you still have te 110 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Higgins and Tyler Boyd. Like I'm looking at who you 111 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: can't replace. You can't replace Joe obviously, and I don't 112 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: think you can replace Jesse. You know, It's funny because 113 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: the free safety position has gotten a bad rep. It's 114 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: only been of late that we've seen safeties begin to 115 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: get paid like market playmakers. And I think the reason 116 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: why they don't get enough attentions because I don't know 117 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: if a lot of people really understand what they do. 118 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: And so the conversation has always been, oh, let's just 119 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: put the slow corner in the middle of the field 120 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: and he'll do it. But really, on your best defenses, 121 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: that's safety is a lynch pen. He is the coach 122 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: on the field because everyone talks about, Hey, man, let's 123 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: talk about the middle linebacker of the middle lineback and 124 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: controls everything he does, and he does do that. But 125 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: the free safety is the guy that kind of core 126 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: your graphs and coordinates all of the movement. And hey, 127 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: if we get this, look, we're gonna check to this coverage. 128 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: If we get this, we're gonna play a different coverage. 129 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: Here's how I'm gonna take and protect the post and 130 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: here's the adjustment we need to make in if he's 131 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: really good and really on it, like you talked about Bates, 132 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: he is able to see when they motion to this, 133 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: here's what's about to happen, and he's able to tell 134 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: the corner, hey play hard on this, and I got 135 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: you over the top, so you can go hard on that. 136 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: All of these little nuances that great safeties do that look, man, 137 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: they cover up the flaws of those people. And when 138 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: you talk about Cincinnati being a try hard defense, I 139 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: would give them credit because man, they play hard, they 140 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: really smart and to really sound. But I think one 141 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: of the things that Jesse Bass is able to do 142 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: is he's able to maybe cover up for some of 143 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: the mistakes or maybe some of the deficiencies that they 144 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: have in the back end. So let's say, for instance, 145 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: that it's a hard game for Eli Apple, he has 146 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: a matchup that, look, he's not favored to win. So 147 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: if I'm based, I may tell the other side a cheetoh, 148 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards Eli. So you're you're on your own, 149 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: like those little things that the safety has to do 150 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: to control it. So to your point, a rookie doesn't 151 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: have enough experience and expertise to be able to come 152 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: in the back end and make those subtle adjustments, not 153 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: necessarily that come out of the playbook, but things that hey, man, 154 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: I know that ELI may struggle this week against him, 155 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: So hey, I'm gonna have something in my back pocket 156 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: just in case we get into the game, we need 157 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: to jump into it, and I can tell the coach 158 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: and go through it. That's where his value is. Make 159 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: sure the offense goes away supposed to the defense goes 160 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: away supposed to go. And but with that, like, I 161 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: like your take on it, because you you play that 162 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: like I've always heard certain guys like that that go, hey, 163 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: they get you two steps in the right direction before 164 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: the ball snap, And the advantage of that gives a 165 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: guy that is either maybe you know, not the not 166 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: the quickest a corner or or inexperienced a player. And 167 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: when you have guys that are in your secondary that 168 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: are helping you get to where you need to go 169 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: maybe a step or two quicker, that's that's unbelievably valuable. 170 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: And I usually see fans don't notice it until that 171 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: guy is gone, and then the next year you go, man, 172 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: this guy this this, this guy had a better year 173 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: last year. And I've heard I've talked to number of 174 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: guy second guys that have played the position in the 175 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: corners and have been like once we lost it, like 176 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: we we lost our little our little cheek cook, like 177 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: our little you know what I mean. I'll give you 178 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: an example, and I would give you this without even 179 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: knowing what took place in l A last year. I 180 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: believe that Eric Weddle's addition is a reason why the 181 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: Rams won the Super Bowl because I think in the 182 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, if I'm not mistaken, I think Eric Weddle 183 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: got the green DIT. I think he had the communication device. Okay, 184 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: so keep in mind, Eric Weddle went from being on 185 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: the couch and to wearing the green DIT in less 186 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: than six weeks. And to me, when I watched the 187 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: Rams for most of the year, there were always issues 188 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: because Jalen was taken on more responsibility, but he would 189 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: get increasingly frustrated when they would have bust and like 190 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: coverage mishaps and it didn't appear that everyone was on 191 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: the same page. And I remember distinctly there was a 192 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: game in which he and Taylor Rap maybe get into 193 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: it because there was a miscommunication on the play with 194 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: Eric whatdle comes in one. Jalen Ramsey can't have those 195 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: same hard testy conversations because Eric Widdle is as accomplished 196 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: as they come as a safety. So the conversation that 197 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: they have is a conversation, not an argument. Secondly, someone 198 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: in the back end has to be able to take 199 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: everybody to say, here's how we're gonna play. We're gonna 200 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: play this. Eric, what could tell Jalen Ramsey No, no, no, 201 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: this is what we get this. Look, this is what 202 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: we're playing. I'm making that check and he has to comply. 203 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: And it's the little things that I would say, not 204 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: necessarily an elite player as safety does, but an elite 205 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: mind at safety is able to do that keeps it 206 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: all together. And so when we talk about Jesse Bates, 207 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: it will be interesting if the Bengals have to play 208 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: without him. I think it's gonna be interested in Kansas 209 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: City without Honey Badger because Honey Badger got a lot 210 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: of things corrected or whatever. And Justin Reid is a 211 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: great player, one who has been in that system for 212 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: a long time. I'll say this and it won't put 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: him all blast, but David Mary, their secondary coach, is 214 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: my former high school teammate, and he used to send 215 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: me pictures of Honey Badger at the practice facility on 216 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: the field ahead of everybody getting things right, making sure 217 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: everyone was on the same page. The leadership in the 218 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: communication part, you cannot underestimate from the safety position. That's 219 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: why it's so key, you can't. I remember when they 220 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: lost Tyro into a concussion. I think it was towards 221 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: the end of the regular season. It was early in 222 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: the game because he had him back for the pleasure. Yeah, 223 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: So I was talking to Anthony Hitchins than like a 224 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: few days after, who's right there running everything in the 225 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: middle of the middle of the defense as well, And 226 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: he was like, we literally have a ton of things 227 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: we can't run in less Tyrants on the field, Like 228 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: we we can't run our defense without him on the field. 229 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: And so you're you're talking about the importance that he 230 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: has to that Kansas City Chiefs defense, like the the 231 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: the ability he has to hide things, to line up 232 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: in a certain spot to just set up something else 233 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: because he still gives you that threat because of his 234 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: skill set, as I say, a blitzer and he comes closer. 235 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta start looking over here. But they're 236 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: really setting something else up. Those things can't happen if 237 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: it's not him that's creeping up to the line of scrimmage, 238 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: or if it's not him that's playing that position. I'm 239 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: curious to see what's gonna happen in Kansas City with 240 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: that group, because he he I talked to him a 241 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: lot through that year, because remember this past year. I 242 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: can't remember what week it was. I was in Washington 243 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: when they played the I think they were the Washington 244 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: football team and still them right, and they were on 245 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: pace to be the worst defense in the history football. 246 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: They were giving up more yards per play than any 247 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: team in the history football. It was like week five 248 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: or six or something like that, and we talked out 249 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: for the game and he was like he had lost it, 250 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean lost his mind on during that game. Through 251 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: his helmet across the entire sideline, I saw going crazy 252 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: at at bags and I was like, oh my odd, 253 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Like outdwards, I pulled the side of my doune are 254 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: you expecting so you're gonna go for blows? He's like, no, man, 255 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: Like I see what we can do and we're not 256 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: doing it. Fast forward to the end of the year, 257 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: and I'm not giving all this to Tire and I'm 258 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: giving a lot of this fact he deserves it, in 259 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: the whole group deserves it. But like he he was 260 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: so frustrated because he sees everything and they weren't doing it, 261 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: and they weren't doing it at all. And then fast forward, 262 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: they start playing better and they start seeing it, and 263 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: he he is constantly on everybody. So I'm curious to 264 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: see what it will be like on that side of 265 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: the ball for them, because he he does. And that's 266 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: the whole point of this conversation. Safeties do so much 267 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: more for a defense if you talk to talk to 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: them or talk to the people. Like Hitch was like, 269 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: we cannot run half of what we've gone and it 270 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: was impossible. And they lost the game. Yeah, they lost 271 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: games and it's a key loss. And I just think 272 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: about how he is going to have New Orleans so 273 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: much by going down there, right, Like, yes, they lose 274 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: Marcus Williams, but now you bring in, oh, they also 275 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: lost Malcolm Jens, Malcolm Jenkins, and so Malcolm Jenkins who 276 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: might have been a less of a player in terms 277 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: of his athleticism or whatever. But what he lacked in 278 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: athleticism he made up in smarts and gao and anticipation 279 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: and instincts all from playing the game. Well, now you 280 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: get another older player there who has pelts on the wall, 281 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: who understands the game at a high level. You put 282 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 1: him back there with Chris roy Shard and they can 283 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: talk the same talk and get everybody on the same page. 284 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: I just think it's I think it's invaluable. But I 285 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: want to lead your your experience in Kansas City because 286 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: I want to hear your take on the Tyree Hill 287 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: being gone and how that impacts the offense based on 288 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: how you see it and what you've heard from in 289 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: the locker room. What is your take on, Hey, the 290 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: kan City Chiefs life after Tyreek Hill. It's funny because 291 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: I do think and this isn't a slight to Kansas 292 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: City Chiefs fans, but those people are delusional to the 293 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: point that, like once Patrick Mahomes came along, you can't 294 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: say anything negative about the team. Everything will be find 295 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: He will find a way to to to take us 296 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl again. And I get why they're 297 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: thinking that because they've been virtually unstoppable since he became 298 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: the starter. So I do understand the thinking, but you 299 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: can't lose Tyreek Kill and be better as an offense. 300 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's that's possible. When I've talked 301 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: to so many defensive coordinators. I remember having a conversation 302 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: with Vic Fanjoe about it, and Vic has been around 303 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: for an eternity, and he's like, preparing for him is 304 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: unlike preparing for any player I've ever had to in 305 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: my career. There's there's no comp for what he does 306 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: on the field, and so I do think it's gonna 307 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: be very different. I remember when Pat was going through 308 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: some of his interception struggles, which I think some landed 309 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: on him, some landed on the adjustments that defenses had made. 310 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: He had a long talk with Kurt Warner about it. 311 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: The Kurt obviously nose quarterbacks might better than I do. 312 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: That's why I called him. It's like these tight window 313 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: throws he had to make. You know, these these small 314 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: area spots that he was getting trying to get the 315 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: ball to Tyrek in and a little behind goes off 316 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: a shoulder pad and it's picked. We saw how many 317 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: of those, you know, in the early part of last 318 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: year when he but but but the way Tyreek makes 319 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: some of Pat's throws, as Kurt put it, like they 320 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: both make each other better. I mean they the strengths 321 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: of both of them mesh really well with one another. 322 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Tyreek and he can say that toa 323 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: is is accurate. Uh until the cows come home. But 324 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: when he's running down the far sideline and the only 325 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: quarterback in the game that can throw it from the 326 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: opposite sideline across the field to him, he's not going 327 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: to get that ball because he doesn't play with that 328 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: quarterback anymore. And Pat doesn't have to be accurate with 329 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: that throw, right he knows that Tyreek is gonna run 330 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: to the open space, and Pat's unbelievable arm can just 331 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: get it to that open space. And the two of 332 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: them play well with one another. It's been interesting how 333 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: it's gone. I know there's some hurt feeling. I know 334 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: that there. It did not end between both sides. You 335 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: can get the sense of that from Tyreek saying like 336 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: I want the pillmore, I want the ball more, Like 337 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: get more targets than anybody in the history the Chief's 338 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: organization last year, Like you got plenty of targets. There's 339 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: something else bothering you, right, and and and I know 340 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: clearly from talking to enough people in the locker room. 341 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: Every practice and you probably you know this too, but 342 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: every practice was how do we find more ways to 343 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: get Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Kill the football? That was 344 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the every single practice of every single week. What does 345 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: this defense do those both both those guys can do 346 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: a variety of things. How do we find new unique 347 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: ways to get these guys to football? So for Tyreek 348 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: to say, like I need more of an effort towards 349 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: me that the whole system was designed to him in 350 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: Travis and finding ways to get them the football, so 351 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: you can tell that it didn't end beautifully between both sides. 352 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: I will give Brett Veach some credit about, all right, 353 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: this isn't to work out, Let's get a haul for it, 354 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: and let's move on sooner rather than later, and let's 355 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: flip the switch to the second era of if you will. 356 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: And I think they didn't make the right play in 357 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: that sense. I don't think you're better immediately, but I 358 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: think we have to start seeing Pat play in a 359 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: different way. And I think it's totally possible and totally 360 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: capable of doing it. Um. He has a variety of guys. 361 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: We can get into some of them because I know 362 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: Justin Watson's turned some heads there. Um what I'm told, 363 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: And obviously they bring in Skymore and Juju and mvs 364 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: and that they have options. But it's it's gonna be 365 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: an adjustment, it's going to be a change and and 366 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. That's one of the early camps. 367 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: I want to get to see how it's flown. So 368 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: it's funny because heaving known Coach Reef for so long 369 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: were we were together in the package in the mid nineties, 370 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: and I want to say that I think some of 371 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: his confidence and maybe some of the quiet confidence that 372 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: the organism station has in terms of being able to 373 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: move on without Tyreek Hill, it might come from the 374 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: fact that Andy Reid watched Brett Farve have to adjust 375 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: with to life without Sterling Shark, right, And so if 376 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: you go all the way back, Sterling Sharp was a 377 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: big part of Brett Farve's development those first couple of years. 378 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: Sterling Shark may have been getting a hundred plus catches 379 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: back at the time when no one was catching a 380 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: hundred balls and then what happened is Sterling gets hurt, 381 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: so they remove him from the lineup, and so now 382 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: you have all these other guys, but then you have 383 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: this generational talent and Brett Farve who then had to 384 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: learn how to basically play half court basketball after being 385 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: a fast break guy, and so he had to learn 386 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: the system and really learned all parts of the system 387 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: a my first, my second, my third, Oh, here's my checkdown. 388 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: And what it actually made Bred Farve do is it 389 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: made him play quarterback, and it made him a better 390 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: quarterback because right after that he won three straight m 391 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: v P s and at the time it was the 392 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: first time it ever been done. He won three in 393 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: a row, and he was he was magical. And so 394 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: because of that, I think that experience sticks in his 395 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: mind because I remember back then Coach Holmgren who learned 396 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: it from Coach Walsh and those guys. They love players, 397 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: but they always said system in an a level quarterback 398 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: will still be okay. And so I'm looking at what 399 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: they've assembled m vs. Ju Smith, Schuster, some of the 400 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: other guys, and still Travis Kelsey in my mind, I'm saying, okay, 401 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: it won't be the explosive version, but it will will be. 402 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: Remember when everyone was playing cover two against them early. 403 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: Just put your stations on the goal, but the sages 404 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: on the goal line go back and forth. And not 405 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: last year, but the year before when, because I remember 406 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: when they ran the ball down the Buffalo Bills throats 407 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: and the Buffalo Bills that park the safety is in 408 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: the parking lot, like you can have as much as 409 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: you want. And so it took a while, but then 410 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: Pat became very efficient and then they he made their 411 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: way to the Super Bowl. I think what coach Reid 412 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: is going to do is he's going to put a 413 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: lot on Pat to be like, hey, Tyrik is not there. 414 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: So those splashy broken plays that we would hit these 415 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: big bombs on, that's out. So now you gotta play 416 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: within the system and let the system work. And I 417 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: think what we may get is maybe not an office 418 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: that's more explosive, but maybe it's more efficient because they 419 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: put an onus on quick for the passing game. Hey, 420 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: let's use the screen game, Let's get the ball to 421 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: our backs, let's utilize all of the weapons. And if 422 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: we're get in the gym, Travis Kelsey is the centerpiece, 423 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: but we're gonna try and spread it out and diversified 424 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: and maybe it looks a little different, but they end 425 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: up getting the same results. It's interesting you bring that up, 426 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: because I was thinking the whole time you're going through 427 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: that farm thing, I'm going I remember Andy saying this 428 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: past year, the most growth that I've seen Pat half 429 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: was and the best that I've seen in play was 430 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: not the m v PCs. It's when he had to 431 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: keep changing his game and he had to keep finding 432 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: different ways to win. When when teams started taking away 433 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: those deep shots and started taking away those explosive plays, 434 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: and he had to play more on time, more in 435 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the pocket, more make my drop, I'm here, I'm here, 436 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: and the balls out and and and we're working our 437 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: way down the field. That's when Andy started saying he's 438 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: added this to his game. That means the splashing players 439 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: aren't gone. They're still in his arsenal. You can still 440 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: do them when they when they present themselves. And now 441 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: he's adding these things to his game. And I think 442 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: that's where that that lines up with what you're saying, 443 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: right yeah, Because I think what what and He's going 444 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: to do is are you gonna to be more disciplined 445 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: from the pocket there, Like I'm not going to take 446 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: that away from you, but I'm gonna ask you to 447 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: play more on schedule, and if you play on schedule, 448 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: those plays are naturally happen for you where you fall 449 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: into the big play as opposed to I feel like 450 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: Pat for so long was big play hunting, like when 451 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: he has Travis and those guys, like they could just 452 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: break off the play on their own. He reverse to 453 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: field goals, deep coma thorite and they would have those things. 454 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: But sometimes it's the gift and the curse because you 455 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: feed off of that, you want it, and so then 456 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: sometimes this offense with Sputter installed because they're big play 457 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: hunting as opposed to, hey man, we're just gonna I'm 458 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: gonna chase the completions like Drew Brees and all these 459 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: other guys. But if he adds that to his game, 460 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: then he becomes unstoppable, because then he becomes a guy that, oh, 461 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: I can beat you however you want me to beat you. 462 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: I can dink it dunk, or I can slice you 463 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: over the top. It would just be interesting. I'm not 464 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: saying that there would be a better offense. But if 465 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: Pat mahomes different, be a different offense that can that 466 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: can really really challenge you and and kind of get 467 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: at you a different way. But I kind of want 468 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: to jump from this too because in a weird way, 469 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: I'm curious about how this could work for Russell Wilson 470 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: in Denver See because the Daniel Hackett comes from dealing 471 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers who went from being off the script. 472 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: So now as he gets older, he has to be 473 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: a little more on the script, And I wonder what 474 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: is he going to do with Russell because as Russell ages, 475 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I feel like he's at that point where he needs 476 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: to be a little more discipline and detailed as opposed 477 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: to being the Russell playmaker that we saw for so 478 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: long in Seattle. What did you say from those that 479 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing? And I had fearing o T 480 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: is maybe a half hour conversation with Josh Johnson, and 481 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, do you're on first year on team number 482 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: fifteen and that's an NFL record, so right and so astley. 483 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: But it's I love that we're talking about this because 484 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: the first part of the conversation I wanted to get 485 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: at this because it was right after Fitz had retired, 486 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: and I find this and we're talking about the mode 487 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: of this podcast essentially is under appreciated spots like the 488 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: safety spot. I think that skill is remarkable. I think 489 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: the ability to walk into a building and Josh tell 490 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: me he's like dude, like I would, I would try 491 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: out in the morning and then be on the practice 492 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: field in the afternoon. Like to be able to do 493 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: it at the quarterback position, to be able to do 494 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: that is an unbelievable skill, like, because first, you can't 495 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: get through practice if your quarterback doesn't know what he's doing, Like, 496 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: you can't get through so like you're you're you're hurting 497 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: everybody if you can't learn it real quickly, and you can. 498 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: At first, I'm like, how do you learn everybody's name? 499 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: He's like dude and all honesty. Mad. As soon as 500 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: I find out I'm landing with a new team because 501 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: it's been like a week to week things sometimes with him, 502 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: I jump on Mad. Madden's updated roster is ridiculous, and 503 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: I know how to start to learn every I know everybody, 504 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: every guy from him. I know his name and his 505 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: number from Madden. On my way to that team, and 506 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding right? It's nuts? But 507 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: like I was, you know that ability to relate with 508 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: guys very quickly and do all those adjustments. I think 509 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: it's a I think it's a crazy skill. I think 510 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: it's why so many people that love football go does 511 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: this guy have a job? Like, he's never been the guy? 512 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: Why does he always keep finding jobs with different teams? 513 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, because it's it's hard to do. It's hard 514 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: to be a Fits or be a Josh or be 515 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: like I mean, you're not the guy, but you you 516 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: help the organization, you find a job because you know 517 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: these systems. So the point of this is he's been 518 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: in like every system. He knows offenses, And I'm like, 519 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: what do you love about Hackett system? For for the 520 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: way it's getting put together for him? And Russ He's like, 521 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: it is my favorite system that I've I have been 522 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: a part of. Because obviously every system he said, wants 523 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: to find answers, right, that's always what you want. You 524 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: have answers to everything. He goes, But in this Russ 525 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: can make a mistake and still have answers a lot 526 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: of them. Are you have answers if the defensive justus 527 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: or if you're in this in the defense, adjust, well, 528 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: then I still have an answer here. He goes, Russ 529 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: can literally make a mistake and then still have an 530 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: answer within the way him and Hacker are putting this together. 531 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. He's like, he's like, they 532 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: just there's and there's multiple ones on you play, like 533 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: there there's ways to find different answers within it. It's 534 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: not all gonna be big plays, but you're gonna find 535 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: different meats. And then he said, the way that we're 536 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: working with this, he's like the room is. He's like, dude, 537 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: we'll we'll go in with a plan in our early 538 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: meeting before we do, before any of the meeting start, 539 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: and it's usually it's Hackett and it's Kubiak, and it's 540 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's and then and there, and 541 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: he goes, we'll go on a thirty minute tangent on 542 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: something we had no idea what we're going to talk 543 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: about that day. And Russ and I think are like, 544 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: something comes up and boom, we're not stopping until we 545 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: figure this thing out and what can we do? And 546 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: he's like, it'll go for thirty minutes like in the 547 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: meeting before we get out to the before we get 548 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: into our next meeting. I'm like, He's like, so I'll 549 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: just tell you this. He's like, the way it's it's 550 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: being put together. Um, obviously it's like cliche because everybody 551 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: knows it. It's being put for his strengths. We all 552 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: know that every system is played to their quarterback strengths, 553 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: but it it is with a specific thought in mind, uh, 554 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: from Hackett. And I had a chance to talk to 555 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: him about that and the way he did it. I'm 556 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: more like, if you want to look at what he 557 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: did with with with Aaron, that's cool. I look at 558 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: what he did with Blake Arnolds and Jacksonville. That is 559 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: the one. That's what stands out to me. That is 560 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: the one. So obviously, I spent a lot of time 561 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: with the Jaguars, and to a man down there in 562 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: the building, they loved Nathaniel Hacking and what he was 563 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: able to do. And they talked about, uh, the miracle 564 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: worker that he was in terms of Blake Borders and 565 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: how he made the game be very easy for him. 566 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: And I've heard Nathaniel Hack's best qualities are his relatability 567 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: to his players, particularly the quarterback, and his ability to 568 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: make complex simple for the quarters, and that he was 569 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: able to do that for Blake Borders. Now what's funny 570 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: is I played for his dad in Kansas City, and 571 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: his dad's office appeared to have some complexity into it. 572 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: By the way, his dad's there almost every day. I 573 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: mean that is on the sideline. Yeah, I mean the 574 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: look he gets to live the dream, so that the 575 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: dad was a quarterback coach in Kansas City when when 576 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: I was there, and um, look man, great reverence for him. 577 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: But for Nathaniel, I think it's interesting. And I think 578 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: the part that I'm really curious is when you have 579 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: an older quarterback in Russell who has a desire and 580 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: in my estimation, to be recognized amongst the grace, right 581 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: because he still has what I call little Brother Russell phenomenon. Right, 582 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: I think that's why he came to the division. Yeah, 583 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: I think that's why he One of the reasons that 584 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: played into it. He won a Super Bowl, but everyone 585 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: still says, yeah, you wanted, but it was the defense. 586 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: And so now he wants an opportunity to show people 587 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, I am a high end 588 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: quarterback and You're going to put respect to my name. 589 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: And so now I'm gonna go to Denver and I'm 590 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: gonna see if I can do it. I had this 591 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: young core wide receivers that, look, I have to get 592 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: up to speed to do some of the stuff. I 593 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: got running backs Melvin Gordon and Javonte Williams and the 594 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: offensive line. So how can they do it? The one 595 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: thing that I'll worry about when it comes to Russell 596 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: is sometimes players can hurt themselves by trying to maybe 597 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: do something that they're not necessarily built for. So Russell 598 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: has been good in the pocket, but Russ has always 599 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: been at his best on the move. At thirty three, 600 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: he's not the same kind of athlete that he once was, 601 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: So how can they use the illusion of Russell being 602 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: the A level athlete to set him up for success 603 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: in the passing game? To me, that's where Nathaniel has 604 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: to come in to say he would do some of 605 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: these bootlegs, some of these roles, some of the things 606 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: that we've seen the Rams do off play action and 607 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: that stuff, and kind of baked that into the game plan. 608 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: But it's it's gonna be fascinating watch because that division 609 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: is loaded with quarterback play, and Russo is going to 610 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: have to play as either the best or the second 611 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: best quarterback for this team to make the playoff push 612 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: that they want to make. When I talked to him 613 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: after his opening press conference in him and I were 614 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: up in the field house talking and that was one 615 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: of the things I want to talk him. I was like, 616 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 1: I was like, I understand young team, really good defense, Like, 617 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: but why like this this division is insane And he's like, 618 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: that's why, Like he wants to do exactly what you're 619 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: saying he wants. When it's like it's like the movie 620 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: The Natural, you know, when he walked down the street, 621 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: I want them to say, there goes the greatest player 622 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: that ever looked like he wants with Roy Hobb right, 623 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: he he wants he wants to add to that to well, 624 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: if I get out of this division, win a super 625 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: Bowl and I beat out Patrick Mahomes and Derek Carr 626 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert and I got out of the a 627 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: f C West and I went to the postseason, went 628 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: like that, that's a legacy builder right there. That's that's 629 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: a that's a yes, you are one of the greatest 630 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: of all time. Uh, and I think that drives him. 631 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: I think that motivates him. I am what I do 632 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: like about them and when we you know, I look 633 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: at what the Raiders have in Darren Waller, Hunter renfo 634 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: and Davante Adams, and I'm like, that's just filthy. Like 635 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: those are your options, Derek Carr, That's that's Barker's. I 636 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: don't think the Broncos have that caliber receiver, but I 637 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: think one through four, or we even one through five 638 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: is so there's not a lot of drop off. Right. 639 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: He has developed a remarkable relationship early with Tim Patrick. 640 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: Like that, Like if you talk to people in the building, 641 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: they're like, dude, he has an eye for Tim Patrick. 642 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: You would say, he's got to be going to Courtland Sutton, right, 643 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: He's got to be going to Jerry Judy, right, Like 644 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: that's the third option that he has. And he's developing 645 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: a great chemistry. What my point of this is Nathaniel 646 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: Hackett's setting it up for options and none of there's 647 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: not a drop off when you put four receivers on 648 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: the field, or there's not or or you know, they like, 649 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: I like your opinion, buy because they love this this 650 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: tight end kid. They got the dull arch kid from 651 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: short from from U c l A. Yeah, short shorts, 652 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: short of shorts in the game right now, he's out 653 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: there more or less short. Yeah, he's got the long hair. 654 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: The hair is almost matching where you know, it's almost 655 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: like there's no pants on out there. Uh. But like 656 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: that's the point, like the to circle back, that's the 657 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: point that Josh saying, like, listen, he's always gonna have 658 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: an option. And if your third received ver is as 659 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: good as Tim Patrick is, he might be the best 660 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: number three in football. That's that's what we're gonna capitalize. 661 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna find our matchups. But I do think they 662 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: have a major issue at right tackle to figure out. 663 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a camp battle for sure. And this 664 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: offensive line is having to change not only the way 665 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: they play. Guys like like like Dalton Rising and stuff 666 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: have changed their bodies because they know this system. I'm 667 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: gonna be on the move more, right, I'm gonna have 668 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: to be more athletic. So it's a big adjustment for 669 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: that group up front. And so I'll just say this, 670 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: expectations living in Denver are through the roof, Like it is, 671 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: like we just want to Stanley Cup, We're about to 672 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: win a super Bowl, and I'm like, listen, it's tough, man, 673 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: It's tough. And I've tried to I've tried to pump 674 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: the brakes without being a hater. But man, it's a 675 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: hard division because when ik division from top to bottom, 676 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City has won with the last six in a 677 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: row less in the division. And then you have the Charges, 678 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: who made major moves to get Khalil Mack to go 679 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: opposite Joey Bosa, they get Jay C. Jackson to be 680 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: able to cover. They have their own superstar quarterback, and 681 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert who is just waiting to pop in and 682 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: major way, you have the Raiders, as we talked about 683 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: with with Derek Carr and the weapons that they afforded him, 684 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: and Josh McDaniels, who just absolutely knows. Look, man, I'm 685 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: not a betting man, but if I could go to Vegas, 686 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: I would almost bet you that Hunter Renfrow is gonna 687 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: finish with a hundred catches. I don't know how he's 688 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: gonna do it with Davante Adams or whatever, but I 689 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: just know that Hunter Renfroe is going to do all 690 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: the West Welker, all the Julian Elman, all the stuff 691 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: that has been done for years and years on end 692 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: in the slot, He's going to wear people out. And 693 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm just going to don't you think that they both 694 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: complain the slot is an advantage, not a disadvantage for 695 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: the way Josh McDaniels works. Oh, I absolutely believe it's crazy. 696 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: I believe it's the most one of those things where 697 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: they can break up. They might break out the hotel 698 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: and just and just mix and match and just line 699 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: up wherever. And the versatility that they have is crazy. 700 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: And then because of this whatever telepathic connection that Davante 701 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: Adams and Derek Carr have where they can just finish 702 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: each other sentence and they can bring back some of 703 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: that stuff from Fresno. How do you guard the unscripted stuff? 704 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: How do you guard them? Just running options where I 705 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: was like, hey, just run off and you just get 706 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: open and out. I'll reach your body like And he 707 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: has out with Hunter too. He like I remember talking 708 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: to run Fro like towards the end of the year 709 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: last year and He's like, man, we'll be hanging out 710 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: at Derek's house and we'll like have the kids in 711 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: the backyard and a nerf ball and I'll be three 712 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: steps in and I'm gonna do this, and he already's 713 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: throwing the ball over like we just feel it like 714 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: and so he has that with both of his guys. 715 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: That's silly. It's really silly. And so that's why I 716 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: did bring it back to the Broncos. Hey, man, this 717 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: is gonna be a Rockham, Stock and Robot division and 718 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: it's going to be tough and and look, Russell, this 719 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: will have to be the best play that we've seen 720 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: from Russell in his career for the Broncos to realize 721 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: the dreams and aspirations that they're having in the Rocky 722 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: Mountain region right now, because he's gonna have to He's 723 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: going to have to play at the m v P 724 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: level and if he plays that, he will win his 725 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: first m v P. But he is going to have 726 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: to play at that level for this team to get 727 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: to where they want to go. Well, russ ain't helping. 728 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: He just put on his cleats for camp. There's a 729 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: Lombardi trophy on the back of the hill and it 730 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: said it's coming. I'm like, man, he's not tampered. Look 731 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: you know what. So so, so here's the thing like 732 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: between Russell putting his cleats up and his wife putting 733 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: the picture on Twitter. You stay with the Red Bottoms. 734 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean, they're huge expectations that are going up on 735 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: there because it's but it's bananas. Um. I can't let 736 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: you go without at least touching on and talking about 737 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: like Philadelphi because I know the Eagles are close to 738 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: your heart and Jalen Hurts and all that. Yeah, I 739 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: mean it's like, look, it's it's a little homeer. I 740 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: appreciate it though, because I've always said this, like I've 741 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: always wish that I could be like a fan sometimes 742 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: like where you live and die and you kind of 743 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: write it down with your team. I know you feel 744 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: like that about the buck Eyes. I feel like that 745 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: about the Tar Heels. But it's different when you have 746 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: a vested interest. So I I kid you about the 747 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: Philadelphia thing. Yeah, but look, as much as you talk 748 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: about the enthusiasm and all that other stuff that's going 749 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: on in Denver, what is being said Like when when 750 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: Miles Unders said, oh, we have an Olster team, Like 751 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: hey man, I remember who said that in Philly a 752 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: few years ago? Like why that? Like, why would you 753 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: say that now. But what do you think about all 754 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that they've done, because I do expect him 755 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: to be better. Uh, it's just crazy, but the expectations 756 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: are gonna be there. Me and m Rob were having 757 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: this talk and I totally want your take because the 758 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: more I've thought about this, the more I have realized 759 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: how difficult it is to be a general manager, how 760 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: difficult it is to be a GM and Howie Roseman shoes. 761 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: When you have a quarterback like Jalen Hurts, you know 762 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: why because he is all He's going to win games 763 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think Jalen Hurts no matter what 764 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: his career is going to be. He could be a 765 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: backup in five years. But if he comes in and 766 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: your starter goes down for five games, I think he 767 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: gives you a very good chance to win those five games. 768 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: He's just a winner. He wins games. My point is, 769 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: is he a franchise quarterback in that top group? Can he? 770 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: And obviously we know he's not that right now? Can 771 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: he in several years? Get to that? The problem? If 772 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: you're how Roseman is this guy's gonna win me nine games, 773 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: this guy's gonna win me ten games. We're gonna get 774 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: to the postseason each year, do I stick with that 775 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: or do I move on buff? That's the hard parts. 776 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: Almost better. We were joking, like, almost better if if 777 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: Jalen fell on his face this year, because they wouldn't 778 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: they would know, right, yeah, one or the other. He 779 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: has to either be m v P or whatever. So 780 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: I've said this, being in the middle in the NFL, 781 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: being in the middle is very tough. I've said this 782 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: since Jalen came out, and I actually said this to 783 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: a prominent Cowboys scout. When I look at Jalen Hursts 784 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: going into his last year Oklahoma, I was like, man, 785 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: he reminds me of Dak Prescott so much. The build, 786 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: the way that he plays, the ruggedness or whatever. I 787 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: was like, he reminds me of watching Dak Prescott when 788 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: he was at Mississippi State, right, And I don't think 789 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: people gave Dak Prescott enough respect and admiration for what 790 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: he did as then when you look at the Mississippi 791 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: State team, the fact that they were number one in 792 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: the country at one point where him at quarterback, like 793 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: was crazy, But it's very similar. And I felt like 794 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: with Dak and with Jalen, their best qualities are the 795 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: qualities that the people in the stands cannot see, the 796 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: way that the team gravitates to them, the way that 797 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: their leadership ability is through the roof, the way that 798 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: they just kind of have a way of look. Man, 799 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: they put it all on them shoulders, good batter and different. 800 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: They own it, and everybody in the building is like, man, 801 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: that is like an a level leader. And so because 802 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: of that, everybody follows. And then when you look at 803 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: their games, you're like, yes, it's not polished. You wish 804 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: you could have a little more this or that. But 805 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: then you look up the end of Winter Circle. I 806 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: think for Jalen, his game has to mature, like I 807 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: felt like Dax matured in Dallas, whereas before it felt 808 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: like he Dak Prescott was a little side card. It 809 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: was Zeke Elliott, it was the officsive line, it was 810 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: their show. And then the year before he got hurt, 811 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: I felt like he was beginning to be a man. 812 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott is doing a lot. Look at the numbers 813 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: because I was changing to the year that he got hurt. 814 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: He was on a toy pace before he goes Yeah, 815 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: I feel like Jalen Hurts doesn't need to necessarily show 816 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: the football world that he is an a level passer. 817 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: He just needs to be good enough to go with 818 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: the other stuff that he does to make it like 819 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: and I know we do. I know we want something better, 820 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: but it's hard to move on from someone who checks 821 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: off so many boxes intangibles, leadership, winning, I mean, it's 822 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: a hard spot to be in if you're high when 823 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: he grows. It is. And it's so funny you said 824 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: that because I did his pro day at at Oklahoma, 825 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of people in the league 826 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: to let that pro day going like m M. I 827 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: didn't love what I didn't love what I saw, But 828 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: they are well aware of the makeup you're talking about. 829 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,439 Speaker 1: And a number of players I talked to that were there, like, 830 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: dude's an unbelievable leader, will follow him anywhere. He never 831 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: stops working. I have now fallen into like following Jalen Hurts. 832 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: I think that's what's happened because I was like, I 833 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: don't see it, Like I talked to a lot of 834 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: people that were like, I don't see it, man, Like 835 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: the mechanics, the passing side of it. We know we 836 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,760 Speaker 1: can win, we know we can move I just it doesn't. 837 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to turn because he's winning me over 838 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: the way he won over the locker room. Like it's 839 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: it's you know, he's gonna get better. That's one aspect 840 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: of it, because just the way he's wired and the 841 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: way he works, and Nick's Serry, Annie and how Roseman 842 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,439 Speaker 1: do know that, and they do believe that he came 843 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,479 Speaker 1: out of the work he did in California. Footwork was better, 844 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: release was better. Obviously both those things helped with his accuracy. Again, 845 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: it's on air, it's not like you know, they was 846 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: getting a chance to see everything, but they did see 847 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: something in terms of improvement. This is gonna be the 848 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: first time he is in the same offensive system with 849 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: the same guy in this year for two years in 850 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: rows since high school. I mean, that's that's a big, 851 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: big thing for him. And they did make life easier 852 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: on him with a J. Brown. I think a J. 853 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: Brown also, which was this is an interesting part of it, Philly. 854 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: A big part of getting a J was taking some 855 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: stress off of Davante Smith and year two. How often 856 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: do we see year two for receiver? Right, but that 857 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: like they had that first year. I mean he almost 858 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: had a thousand yards they had, and then all of 859 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, this all extra tentions on you. You got 860 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: actually another guy shading over, and you're like, oh, if 861 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: this receiver thing is much harder that song. They wanted 862 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: to bring a jing in so that would help Davante 863 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: and not stunt any third sort of growth for him. 864 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: I think it will. And then you have Dallas Goddard 865 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: like who I think is unbelievably underrated tight ends in 866 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: this league. And so you have those three pieces and 867 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: a really really good offensive line in a run game 868 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: that was number one in football this season ago. I'm 869 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: curious to see how they set it up for him 870 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: because right we saw two different offenses. We saw them 871 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: throw the ball a bunch early. They got to know, 872 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: in my opinion, got to know Jalen and got to 873 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: know this offense and started focusing more on the run. 874 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: And what happened when they focused on the run more, 875 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,319 Speaker 1: He became a better passer because he clears up the 876 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: picture for him a little bit, which needed right. And 877 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be interesting how they set it up 878 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: for him, because I do think there's there's easy place 879 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: to be made with what's around um. I they do. 880 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: They do know his decision making needs to improve. I 881 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: know that firsthand. Uh. They need his processing uh to 882 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: to speed up some Now. Nick is a big believer 883 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: in the more snaps he has, the more reps he 884 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: has in the system that will speed up. That can 885 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: speed up. And you know, there's a thought process where 886 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: this is how you process and you you will get 887 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: a little faster, but there's a there's a ceiling on it, right, 888 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean the deat process. There's like young guys like 889 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: Mac Jones that process very quickly, and then there's guys 890 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: that they do think you'll get better. So those are 891 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: the those are the things that are wishful thinking. For um. 892 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 1: On defense, they need to find a way to get 893 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: after the quarterback and they couldn't do that last year, 894 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: and they made some moves to to improve. Because I 895 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: will say this, they do believe they're renting Jonathan Gannon. Uh. 896 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: They think he's gonna be gone after this year in 897 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: a head coaching job somewhere. That is so it's so 898 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: it's funny. So the whole thing about Ganna, so again 899 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: it is disciple of refluence and I love what he 900 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: refluce did. Um in Indianapolis. Like we talked about like 901 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: try hard defense is like there's a lot of a simplicity, 902 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: but we're gonna win with great effort, toughness. We're gonn 903 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: knock the ball out because we know exactly what we're 904 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: doing and we're gonna get there with our hair on fire. 905 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: And so there's some of that. But to play that style, 906 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: you gotta be able to dictate the terms up front, 907 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: which are front four and so they have to be 908 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: able to create a pass for us without blitzing. So 909 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: they can play the zone and get the eyes on 910 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: the quarterback and do those things because when they played 911 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: top quarterbacks last year, they couldn't get them out of 912 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: their rhythm and so and they do something, uh to 913 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: do that. And now do they have the right pieces, 914 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: meaning on the perimeter, he I need zone corners to 915 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: play zone so they can take the ball away and 916 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 1: react and they've got to be great tacklers and those things. 917 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,439 Speaker 1: But if you can run the football and shorten the game, 918 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: then what happens is it forces the other team to 919 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: abandon the run and now they have to throw into coverage, 920 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: which is what the Eagles want. It worked for them 921 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: last year, but now it has to work where they 922 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: not only beat the teams that they're supposed to be, 923 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: they have to knock off for a few others. And 924 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: that typically goes back to the guy that we talked about, 925 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst, making enough plays in the passing game for 926 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: them to be able to get over the top. That's 927 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: a big part. And I think the best thing, the 928 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: best description of that defensive side of the ball by 929 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: he is if you remember the beginning of the year, 930 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: there was some guys not too pleased with the way 931 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: things were being run on that side of very vocal, 932 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: very vocal about what was happening. But I think it's 933 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: a sign of a really good coach that everybody you 934 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: stick with it, you keep preaching what you're preaching, and 935 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: they eventually figured out what he was trying to do 936 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: and they bought in and the defense got better. I 937 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: do think they're missing some pieces in terms of getting 938 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: out of that. I I think a Son Reddick was a 939 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: decent pickup. I'm interested to see the camp, hopefully it's 940 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: one of my stops. Early. I'm hearing that they may 941 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 1: be putting Jordan Davis in a variety of spots um 942 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 1: and I want to see what they do with him 943 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: up front, because I do think they believe there is 944 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: an ability to be a little bit flexible with him 945 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: when you have other guys there, right, you have flets, 946 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: you have car Grade, you can move him around a 947 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: little bit because they don't want to miss out on 948 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: that athletic ability. They think of him much more than 949 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: just to eat up two blockers and and stuff to 950 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: run in the middle of the middle of the you know, 951 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: the middle of the defense. We'll see I don't know, 952 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. It will be its us what James like, 953 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: training camp is this week Like it's crazy, but and 954 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: I don't know when you travel out or when when 955 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: you head out, Like when is your first camp? Is it? 956 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: Is it this weekend or where you have to wait? No, 957 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Denver the first like five days, 958 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 1: which I want to see because back then, I'll say this, 959 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: I went to every full practice they allowed me to 960 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: go to during O T S and the defense was 961 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: winning consistently, I mean consistently. But as Kareem Jackson told me, 962 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: he's like, we're playing in the same system, Like it's 963 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: it's a few words are different. Right, We're playing exactly 964 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: what we were playing. A couple of minor changes, were 965 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: right back at it, and listen they were they were 966 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: beating Russ regularly. So I want to see what the 967 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: first part of camp is like with with the offense 968 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: coming out. Obviously he wants to come out gangbusters. So 969 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, well man, and look, this was fun. 970 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: We gotta bring you back your love. I mean DJ 971 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: missed out. Wasn't on a cruise or something. I mean, look, 972 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: it's always sounding, but look he'll be back here here 973 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: be back, uh coming up and this is great man. 974 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,879 Speaker 1: Thanks the podcast, James, we gotta do it. So why 975 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: I listen to Mann, I'll tell you that quote me alright. Alright, guys, 976 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: So that's it for the Movie Sticks podcast. Be sure 977 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: to tune in late in the week. We'll have some 978 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 1: more podcasts from Tell You Guys.