1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound on 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: No member elect haven't received a majority of the whole 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: number of votes, casts a speaker has not been the election, 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: and so now here we are being sworn at instead 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: of being sworn in. Sad day for the House of 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Representatives as an institution. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: perspective from DC's top name. We may see others from 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus who decided, Hey, we voted for McCarthy 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: on the first round. Who's running this show? What's happening here? 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, why would they start losing votes like that? 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. They've 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: tried six times and still no Speaker of the House. 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics as Kevin McCarthy 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: struggles through another marathon session that will resume later tonight. 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: We'll have the latest from Capitol Hill with Bloomberg's Emily 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Wilkins and former Democratic Congressman Tim Rohmer, along with a 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: highlight reel for the ages today. Could there be a 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: break though and a deal across the aisle? One Democratic 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: congressman tells me yes, and we'll talk details with Jim 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Kessler of Third Way, former policy director for Senator Chuck Schumerman. 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: As Joe Biden takes a road trip today with Mitch McConnell, 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: we'll talk through another historic day in politics with our 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: signature panel, Rick Davis and Genie Chanzano here for the hour. 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: Fewer could say it better today than Congresswoman cat Chemic. Well, 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: it's groundhome day again. Yeah. With six rounds of voting, 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: now we're essentially stuck in the same place we were 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: in this time yesterday. No member elect, having received the 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: majority of the votes cast. A speaker has not been elected. 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: For what purposes A gentleman from Oklahoma rise, I moved 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: the weird journe until eight o'clock this evening. Eight o'clock. Well, 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: they don't like that. The question is on the motion 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: to a journey. All those in favors say I, all 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: those of the eyes have it. Okay. There it is 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: adjourned for another three hours to presumably come up with 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: another plan. But Kevin McCarthy made it clear to reporters 36 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: in the corridors of Congress he is not giving up. 37 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: Are there any circumstances under which you would consider pulling 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: out of the race for speaker. There is not one, 39 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: not one, even with twenty steady Republican knows, including Congresswoman 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Lauren Bobert. Let's stop with the campaign smears and tactics 41 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: to get people to turn against us. Even having my 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: favorite president call us and tell us we need to 43 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: knock this off, I think it actually needs to be reversed. 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: The President needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, sir, you 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: do not have the votes and it's time to withdraw 46 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: with that ideal. Thank you. Just like that, she voted 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: or Byron Donalds, who for today played foil to McCarthy. 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Congressman Chip Roy of Texas placed his name in denomination. 49 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Do you think that the American people want us to 50 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: continue down the road of what we've been doing? Do 51 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: they want us to continue two do the thing since 52 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: the leadership that's currently in place I've been in place? 53 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Do you think they want us to continue down that path? 54 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: And the argument that I would make is that they 55 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: want a new face, new vision, new leadership. And I 56 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: believe that face, vision and new leadership is Byron Donald's 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: and I'm proud to put his name into nomination. Okay, 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: he got twenty votes and getting a little bit of 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: fame here in the House twenty votes. When asked, Donald's 60 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: didn't seem too bothered by the whole protracted process. I mean, man, 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: and even Groundhog Day in the movie that lasted about 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: what nine ten days? There is only day two. Man, 63 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: y'all settle down. We're gonna be all right, right, what's 64 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: the batter's they doo? Don't tell that to Emily Wilkins. 65 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: She's gonna work all night. Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins covers 66 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: Congress in the Leadership for a living little did she 67 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: knows she'd be going through this? And she's with us 68 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: right now as we have an opportunity with the House 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: adjourned until eight. Emily, what in the world our House 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: Republicans discussing right now? Well, we know that they are discussing. 71 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: We know that Kevin McCarthy and some of his allies 72 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: are a room with a number of the those holdout 73 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: members who have continued to vote against him. I mean, really, Joe, 74 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: we need to just nope here. The fact that so far, 75 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: in six votes, McCarthy has not been able to peel 76 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: off any members who oppose him In fact, he's only 77 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: added members. We saw by Rindonald's joined the group last 78 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: night and even today Victoria's Sparts, a congresswoman from Indiana, 79 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: she began voting present instead of voting for McCarthy, and 80 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: you know that that's the vote that McCarthy really does need. 81 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: At this point, I think there's a lot of questions 82 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: about what can be given UH. Billy House Or with Bloomberg, 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: had a really great story today outlining some of the 84 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: requests that these Freedom Caucus members and and hardliners are 85 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: drawing in terms of committees. They want prominent spots on committees, 86 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: they want subcommittee gables, and their argument is that you know, 87 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: we've thought for all these rules, but the only way 88 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: we can make sure that what we want is implemented 89 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: is for us to have seats of power on these 90 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: really powerful committees. Is this gonna end UH in a 91 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: deal with Democrats to make Kevin McCarthy Speaker or is 92 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: it going to be another name Emily or were just 93 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: we just don't know. Well so far, the only Democrat 94 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: that I've really heard again great great story on the 95 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal from Steve Dennis is Brad Sherman. Uh, he's 96 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: a Democrat and he has looks maybe if we can 97 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: find an agreement here. And I think, Joey, you were 98 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: talking with him today. I think I think I should 99 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: I should be given the credit to you. Yeah, that 100 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: that he he said, you know, we are willing to 101 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: put He was willing at least to make a deal 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: in terms of the debt limit. But the fact is, 103 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: for a lot of Democrats, they're not sweating it too 104 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: hard right now. Sure it's a little boring, Sure they're 105 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: not doing the things they want to do, But I 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: think a lot of them are happy to see McCarthy 107 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: continue to flounder, continue to see Republicans being in disarray 108 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: right now, I think you're going to see a lot 109 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: of Democrats continue to support Jeffreys. And at this point, 110 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: I think Democrats are perfectly fine to keep their powder dry. 111 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: I don't think they're at a point where they see 112 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: a need to start cutting the deals with Republicans. How 113 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: are you planning to work tonight? Um Look, what's your 114 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: boss telling you right now? What are your editors telling 115 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: you that bring us in on this assembly? Look back 116 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: in November, um, so a couple of years ago, Kevin 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: McCarthy started talking on the house floor eight or eight pm, 118 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: did not finish till five eleven am. This record on 119 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: the yeah, and it's Kevin McCarthy said. He's like, look, 120 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: I spent the longest record on the floor for talking. 121 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm fine setting the longest record for number 122 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: of house books. He is digging in, his opponents are 123 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: digging in. At this point, it very much feels like 124 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: a bit of a game of chicken. You're waiting to 125 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: see who's going to blink. But if you're one of 126 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: these uh twenty folks who are posing McCarthy, the fact 127 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: of the matter is is that you're negotiating. Spot has 128 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: never been better. Um, you really have a lot of 129 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: leverage to get what you want. You have frustrations rising, 130 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of what we saw last 131 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: night from McCarthy and what we're seeing in today and 132 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: what we'll see the next couple hours are trying to 133 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: find ways to negotiate with these twenty members. Good luck 134 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: up there, I hope to take out is good. When 135 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: you hear Emily Wilkins on Bloomberg Radio tomorrow morning, just 136 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: keep in mind she's been up all night, curious to 137 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: hear from Tim Romer, former Congressman Indiana's third district, former 138 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: US Ambassador to India, and importantly here a co architect 139 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: of the nine eleven Commission. And I mentioned that because 140 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: former Congressman Romer is a longtime dealmaker, he understands what 141 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: these meetings are all about that are happening behind the 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: scenes right now, regardless of party. It's great to have 143 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: you here, Tim, What are these discussions like right now? 144 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: Who's in the room. Well, Joe, good to be with you. 145 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: And what a day, what a couple of days. We 146 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: may have several more days, who knows. Look, there's no 147 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: surprises here for any of us that are familiar as 148 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: you are, Joe with Capitol Hill. When you look back 149 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: and you see what Kevin McCarthy received in his Republican 150 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: caucus in terms of opposition to his potential speakership, there 151 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: are about thirty Republicans that voted against them, and now 152 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: it's twenty. But with a couple maybe presents, that's not changing. 153 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: After six votes. They are dug in. They are hard, uh, 154 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: they are uh believing that they can take down the 155 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: future speaker, which is giving them momentum and uh, you 156 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: know a lot of juice, uh, and an adrenaline right now. Um, 157 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: you know that the former Speaker Pelosi would have told 158 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: you you never go to the floor without knowing exactly 159 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: where your votes are and whom is going to vote. 160 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: How what isn't that the killer in this case? Kevin 161 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy did know. He even said so he wasn't going 162 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: to clear in the first round, that he wouldn't win 163 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: the first ballot. So what would possess him to pursue 164 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: this knowing that he could be embarrassed publicly like this 165 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: for days? Joe? Uh, you know, these leadership votes and 166 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: battles in parties inside the party can be uh as 167 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: poisonous or more so than any other kind of fractional 168 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: battle between the parties. For instance, when you know people 169 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: would come to me and ask for my vote within 170 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party for speaker leadership a whip race, These 171 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: are fierce battles that you never forget decades later, how 172 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: your colleague and friend voted in your own party, and 173 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: things are taken very very seriously on a personal level. Now, 174 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: some of this might be able to be worked out 175 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: on policy. You hear Congressman Roy and Congressman Gossar and 176 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: others say, while we want certain rule changes, we want 177 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: certain emphasis on a deficit reduction, we never want to 178 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: see an omnibus before. But some of these folks just 179 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: don't like Kevin McCarthy, and there might be four or 180 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: five of them that just will not change. And their 181 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: victory is going to be taking down Kevin McCarthy. And 182 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: even if another name emerges, whether that's Steve Scalites, whether 183 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: that's Congressman and Stephanic, whether that's you know, McHenry, whether 184 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: that's you know, a compromise candidate, they will see this 185 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: as these four or five or twenty we'll see this 186 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: as a real victory just taking McCarthy down. So you know, 187 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot going into this that has even outside 188 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: policy reforms and compromise. Back to your question, Joe, you 189 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna have you know, three or four people from 190 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: the twenty going into McCarthy's office right now. McCarthy will 191 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: have three or four of his lieutenants in there, and 192 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna be talking intensely about what does it take 193 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: to get some votes so that we can get down 194 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: to twelve or ten. McCarthy has to desperately show that 195 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: he is moving in a positive direction after being stuck 196 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: at twenty people voting against them. He needs to peel 197 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: off four or five. He needs to show Mobadam going 198 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: in the other direction. So I can guarantee you they're eating. 199 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: Shy needs food in his office right now to take 200 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: out pizza, and they're going over. How do I get 201 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: three or four of you to come back to my side? 202 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: I want you to hear a conversation that I had 203 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: a brief portion of my conversation with Congressman Brad Sherman, 204 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: again a Democrat from California, when I asked him, is 205 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: there anything knowing that many of these Republican holdouts simply 206 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: can't be moved, there's nothing Kevin McCarthy apparently can offer them. Well, 207 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: what could he offer Democrats to maybe help grease the 208 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: kids here and have a couple members vote president. I 209 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: don't know how that works out, but here's what he said. 210 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: I think we should have a rule that the Democratic 211 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: leader can bring up to the floor of the House 212 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: foreign immediate vote any bill that would provide a continuing 213 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: resolution to keep government operating if we don't have an 214 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: appropriations bill by September, and that the Democratic leader can 215 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: bring to the floor at any time a bill to 216 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: suspend the dead limit so that we can actually pay 217 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: a bill. Is this fantasy tim romer or the kind 218 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: of conversation that could be happening if this keeps ongoing, Well, Joe, 219 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: the Democrats are in a very good position right now. 220 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: There's no incentive for them to help Kevin McCarthy out 221 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: of this deep dark well and hold that he has 222 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: dug for himself. And even if there was some incentive 223 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: for certain Democrats to say, you know, let's talk and 224 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: maybe there are some casual conversations going on on the floor, 225 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: they certainly have time to have these conversations right now, 226 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: given that they're you know, taken six votes and each 227 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: vote takes an hour. Uh, you know what McCarthy would 228 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: be doing, and cutting a deal if he got to 229 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: one with the Democrats would be the very definition of 230 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: a parent victory, meaning he might win the battle to 231 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: get the speakership, but he would definitely lose the war 232 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: in his caucus, and he would probably be gone within 233 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: six or eight months within his own party if those 234 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: people that are opposing him on the floor now saw 235 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: him cut a deal with the Democrats to be speaker. 236 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: I think that would cause him all kinds of internal 237 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: problems within his caucus that would be lead to his 238 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: head uh in in a short amount of time. It's 239 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: exactly what they have accused him of doing right there, 240 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: that mean, my goodness. Lauren Boboard accused Kevin McCarthy of 241 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: of pulling up Pelosi by not having a single member 242 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: carry the right to challenge the speech the speaker and 243 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: emotion to vacate. They're really trying to paint him as 244 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: is essentially no different than a Democrat from California. Well, 245 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things with you know, Congressman 246 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: McCarthy and his mentor, Congressman Bill David Congressman Bill Thomas 247 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: from California who had his seat the forehand. Congressman Thomas 248 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: was interviewed UM and asked about Kevin McCarthy. And here's 249 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: a Republican saying something about a fellow Republican who mentored him. 250 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: He said, Kevin, you never really know what's inside him. 251 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: He can be anything and everything to everybody. That can 252 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: be a strength maybe to Kevin that he can go around, 253 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, talking to everybody about different policies and issues 254 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: and uh cut deals. That is a weakness to many 255 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: other people in politics. That that's that's not flexibility, that's 256 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: called malleability. That's called you don't stand for anything. And 257 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's probably one of the reasons some of 258 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: these twenty Republicans are going after him, saying, you may 259 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: have helped us raise some money, you may have helped 260 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: us get elected in our district, but we don't trust 261 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: you to stand for the kind of things that work 262 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: for and we're never gonna vote for you. Uh. This 263 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: is that you know, I would guess they're going to 264 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: go to some kind of alternative of Republican candidate. We 265 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: only we've got less than a minute of ambassador. Pretty 266 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: remarkable that Kevin McCarthy already moved into the office. Now 267 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: Congressman Matt Gates has written a letter, uh now not 268 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: a not a shocker here to the architect of the 269 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Capitol to have Kevin McCarthy removed from the Speaker's office. 270 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: Will that happen? I don't know what the architect of 271 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: the Capitol of the Sergeant of Arms would do in 272 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: that case. Um. It sure leads to some of the 273 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: argument that you've heard heard on the floor from the 274 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: fellow Republicans. They don't believe you're entitled to anything. You've 275 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: got to earn it. You don't even to the Speaker's 276 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: office until you got the vote. Well, forget about measuring 277 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: the drapes. You already moved in. Tim Rohmer, former congressman, 278 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: former ambassador and architect of the nine eleven Commission, thanks 279 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: for being with us. You know the panel is next. 280 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg, so on with Joe 281 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Congresswoman Victorious Sparks explains her present 282 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: vote today, telling CNN her concern is we didn't come 283 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: together yet. We have to go back to the conference room, 284 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: she says, h C five and deliberate as a body, 285 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: as a group of people, and figure it out. She 286 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: voted for McCarthy in three votes. I told McCarthy ahead 287 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: of time she would change her vote to present to 288 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: help with deliberation. Well, they did a journ and they 289 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: are presumably in that room as we speak HC five. 290 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: Question is who is in that room and what Congresswoman 291 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: catchmick Wait mentioned earlier. Republican congresswoman supporting Kevin McCarthy put 292 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: his name back into nomination. Was calling now Democrats for 293 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: looking at this whole thing as some kind of slumber party. 294 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: They want us divided, They want us to fight each other. 295 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: That much has been made clear by the popcorn and 296 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: blankets and alcohol of it is coming over there. The popcorn, 297 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: blankets and alcohol house is not in order. No, it's 298 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: not in order. Democrats look like that at all? Did 299 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: she see coming to the The house is not an order, alcohol, blankets, 300 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: and popcorn. I guess that's the groundhog days work. The 301 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: clerk would ask all members elect to abide by the 302 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: established decorum of the House while making nominations. All right, 303 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: that didn't stop them, By the way, they kept yelling 304 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: for another couple of minutes after that, because look, they're 305 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: all coming back at eight o'clock and this could go 306 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: all night. We don't know. Maybe we're eating break is 307 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: talking about this tomorrow. We just don't know. This is 308 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: partly why we have our panel, not just for their 309 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: good looks. Rick Davis and Jennie Schanzano join us Bloomberg 310 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: Politics contributors on a another heck of a day here, Genie, 311 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: what are Democrats bringing in their blankets, popcorn, and alcohol. 312 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what everyone's doing tonight, isn't it. It 313 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: is Joe, and they were offended she didn't mention the chocolate. 314 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: There were several other things that they had there that 315 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: Victoria forgot to mention. Um, And you know, you've got 316 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: to say, she's got a point. Democrats have been enjoying this. 317 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Although we heard Joe Biden today describe it as an embarrassment, 318 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: and it certainly is, it's not one that Democrats, at 319 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: least in the short term, appear likely to try to 320 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: help McCarthy avert. I think maybe in the long term, 321 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: if this keeps up, we may see some movement there. 322 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: And you know, you look at what happened in the Pennsylvania, 323 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: Ohio legislatures at the state level. They were able to resolve, 324 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, sort of similar situations. We may see some 325 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: bipartisan work on that, but I don't we're going to 326 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: see it in the short term. So where's your head 327 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: at this point? Rick, You've been watching this. We've seen 328 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: this group of twenty holds strong. Will they continue to 329 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to tell. Um. You know, one 330 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: of the things that everyone's talking about are these meetings 331 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: tonight where they say, okay, put you know, tell us 332 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: what you want, and we'll decide whether or not we're 333 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: gonna give it to you. Let's stand on firm ground 334 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: for a change. And part of the problem is that 335 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: this has been a moving target all along. I mean 336 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: every time there's one of those kind of inversations, and 337 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: this dates back to before the voting even began. You know, 338 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: this group of radicals would say here's what we want, uh, 339 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: and by and large, UH, Kevin McCarthy would give it 340 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: to him, and then they move the goalposts. They'd say, Okay, 341 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: now we want something else. And this issue of like 342 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: deciding deciding that you want to pick the committees that 343 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: you're going to chair or or or to decide which 344 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: committees you're gonna be on, and not have the committee 345 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: of Committees do that UM is really uh strikes right 346 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: at the heart of what this chamber is. And and 347 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: if this group of twenti gets decide what committees they 348 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: want to be on and dictate that to the chair, 349 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: to the speaker, well how about everybody else? I mean, 350 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: like he's got two hundred and some votes that are 351 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: sitting there being loyal to him. Who aren't getting the 352 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: same deal. And so I really think that they're treading 353 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: on really thin ice right now. One because I don't 354 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: think this group actually knows what they're doing, and I 355 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: think they really the the radicals want to just upset 356 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: the apple cart. They don't have an ask. Uh, their 357 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: asks have all been basically given to them, and they've 358 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: changed their mind. Uh So uh, I think I think 359 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: that's likely to not result in a deal. And then 360 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: the question is what options do you have. One that 361 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: I don't think is being talked about much is the 362 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: plurality option. Um. And it's really dangerous, right, And so 363 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: you go and say, okay, let's do a plural plurality. 364 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: And you get to the point where if this twenty 365 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: don't vote for Kevin McCarthy, then huckeing Jeffreys Speaker of 366 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: the House, I mean, and it's on them, it's not 367 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: on Kevin McCarthy. And so it'll really be interesting to 368 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: see if some of these options starts to uh get 369 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: more talked about. There are members on the record right 370 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: now starting to say that that is one of the 371 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: options they're considering. Well, I'll tell you, by the way, 372 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: if you're still if you were still in the Senate, 373 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: you're you know you're doing dealing with a night like this? Rick, 374 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: Are you sending the interns out? Now? The staffers go 375 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: out and now to get the take out? Or do 376 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: you wait for later? First of all, nothing like this 377 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: ever happens in Okay. That's why it's the Senate not 378 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: the House. Um, but yeah, I mean, like, first of all, 379 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: you wouldn't even have to send them out. They'd be 380 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: smart enough to know that if they didn't go out 381 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: and have pizza ready when you got back to the chamber, 382 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: they'd be fired. That's a great Yeah. Sure, there there's 383 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: a there's a symbiotic relationship between staff too. They got 384 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: to feed the beast, because if you're in the Senate, 385 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: you're you're you're at Bobby Van's right now. Um, all right, Jeannie, 386 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: we heard from the group of twenty today. Matt Gates 387 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: seems to have been adopted as the ring leader here 388 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: or he's adopted himself again. Listen to the language he's 389 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: using to describe MacArthur. Those of us who will not 390 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: be voting for Kevin McCarthy today, take no joy in 391 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: this discomfort that this moment has brought but if you 392 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: want to drain the swamp, you cannot put the biggest 393 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: alligator in charge of the exercise. I'm a Florida man, 394 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: and I know of what I speak. He actually, well, 395 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know anything about that genie. 396 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: But he has indicated to McCarthy, to Rick's point, that 397 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: he'd rather let a Democrat, He'd rather let Hakeem Jeffreys 398 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: become speaker, essentially through this idea of plurality, than to 399 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: vote for Kevin McCarthy. Yeah, this is the problem that 400 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is facing. And Matt Gates is just one 401 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: of the people who when they said never Kevin McCarthy, 402 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: they meant never. They would they would rather have Hakeem Jeffreys. 403 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: They would rather have a Democrat. And you know, Matt 404 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: Gates has been negotiating, asking for things like subcommittee gabbles. Well, 405 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: how can that possibly be done? How could you possibly 406 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: make that deal when the twous people looking at you 407 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: aren't getting the same kind of deal. And every time 408 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: those deals have been handed over, they have moved the goalpost. 409 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: You know. One of the latest ones we're hurrying is 410 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: maybe that Kevin McCarthy would commit to some kind of 411 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: term limit where he'd stepped down after a couple of years. Well, 412 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, untenable as well. What they want is 413 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: they want no leadership in the House. They want an 414 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: incredibly weakened speaker, and that means the House isn't going 415 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: to be able to function. And so the reality here 416 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: is either he finds a deal with these people, which 417 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: seems unlikely, they look to somebody else, or they change 418 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: the rules. You know, the plurality vote. We talked about 419 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: it yesterday. Rick just mentioned it. It's been done in 420 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: the past. Maybe that's something they think about, or they 421 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: strike a deal with the Democrats. But you know, one 422 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: of these things that's got to happen because this can 423 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: go on, but it can't go on forever. Eventually, I 424 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: think we may see responsible members of the Republican Party 425 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: tell Kevin McCarthy your time is up. This is your 426 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: second go at this now. Now you're not getting there. 427 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: We've got to look elsewhere because simply people like Matt 428 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: Gates don't want you. Donald Trump weighed in, Uh, it 429 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: had to happen. I guess Rick Davis, we were waiting 430 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: on this. He went all caps vote for Kevin closed 431 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: the deal, take the victory, and watch crazy Nancy Pelosi 432 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: fly back home to a very broken California. He goes 433 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: on the right. Republicans do not turn a great triumph 434 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: into a giant and embarrassing defeat. He didn't change one mind, 435 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: did he know? If anything? I think it was summarized 436 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: by uh Congress Hooman Bobert, who said, you know, uh, 437 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: I love you Donald Trump, but you should be calling 438 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy and telling him to step down. I mean, 439 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: like they've just rebuked him. Um. I mean, it's the 440 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: great shrinking post presidency of Donald Trump. I mean, if 441 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: you thought that he couldn't do anything else to hurt himself, 442 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: here's a great example of he would have been better 443 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: off saying nothing, and it would have hurt Kevin McCarthy less. 444 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Now he is a complete non factor in a debate 445 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: that Kevin McCarthy put him at the center of post 446 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: January six, when he went down and resurrected the Trump 447 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: post presidency and thinking that that would you know, grease 448 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: his his entry into the speakership if they want in 449 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: the mid terms, if he doesn't become speaker. Here, Genie 450 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: and Boy it's not looking like there's a path right now. 451 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: Is that photograph he took with Donald Trump at marl 452 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: Lago the great regret of his career. It's got to 453 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: be one of them. And you know, the irony here is, 454 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: of course, Donald Trump is the reason he doesn't have 455 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: the majority to overlook these you know, this small group. Um. 456 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen that in the past. And of 457 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: course one of the mistakes Kevin McCarthy made in this 458 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: whole thing was he was assuming that if he just 459 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: kissed the ring of Donald Trump, these people would go 460 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: along with him. But the reality is Donald Trump isn't 461 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: control in control of this MAGA group anymore at all. 462 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: They are going on their own and Lauren, Lauren Bobert 463 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: speaking to that, you do your own thing. We have 464 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: our view of what we want and we're going to 465 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: go for ward without you. And so Kevin McCarthy is 466 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: left with you know, Jim Jordan's Marjorie Taylor Green now 467 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: the voice of reason and Donald Trump and he still 468 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: can't be speaker. Unbelievable that we're still having this conversation 469 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: right now. God knows when it will end. But thankfully 470 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: we have Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano to make our panel. 471 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna add Jim Kessler to the mix coming up next. 472 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: I love these inside views from those who have actually 473 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: been there, been behind the scenes for the deal making. 474 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: He's the former legislative policy director for Senator Chuck Schumer. 475 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: And want to hear what's on Jim's mind. Coming up. 476 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on 477 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: Bloombird Radio. So still no speaker if you're just joining us, 478 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: maybe you just got out of work, maybe you're just 479 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: listening to the podcast. They've gone six rounds. They're now 480 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. They're gonna come back at eight o'clock tonight. 481 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: Adjourned in the house. Imagine being locked in a room 482 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: with Kevin McCarthy after all of that. Meanwhile, five miles away, 483 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in Kentucky. You know he went there today. 484 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: It's like the beginning of a Buddy movie. Went there 485 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: with Mitch McConnell, talk about infrastructure, anything to get out 486 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: of here, get us out of the bubble. And as 487 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: he got to the airport, you know they're rolling in 488 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the motorcade. The beast. He's about to get on Air 489 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: Force one. That's where they let reporters gather. Sometimes he'll 490 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: walk over and answer some questions, and he did today 491 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: put the ball cap on. Asked if he was concerned 492 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: about this, the whole situation involving the speaker in the 493 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: House for two reasons. One, it's embarrassing for the country. 494 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean literally, and I'm making a part of this 495 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: reality that, you know, to be able to have a 496 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: Congress that can't function is just embarrassing. Were their greatest 497 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: nation in the world. How can that be? And we've 498 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: had a lot of trouble with I'm sorry for the noise, 499 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: a lot of trouble with the attacks on our institutions already, 500 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: and it testing that that's a worrying more than anything else. 501 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: Interesting point considering, as he says, the attacks on our institutions, 502 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: including that very one physical attack January six. But I'll 503 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: tell you what, Byron Donald's what a day he's having. Huh. 504 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: He got twenty votes. Somebody threw his name in there 505 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: for consideration. He's nominated to be speaker. Had no plans 506 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: on doing that, and you know, he said, it's Groundhog Day. 507 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: What do you want? Right? This thing could go on forever. 508 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: The wind is blowing, y'all. People are still driving in 509 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: their cars. People went to work this morning, They dropped 510 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: their kids off. My kids went to school this morning. 511 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: The American people are living their lives like they've always done. 512 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: What do we have to worry about, Congressman Scott Perry. 513 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: Americans are concerned about. The American people don't care who 514 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: the speaker is. The American people care that they're paying 515 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,479 Speaker 1: five dollars for a dozen eggs. They care that they 516 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: can't afford their energy bills. They care about it. They 517 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: care about a wide open border and rampant crime in 518 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: their communities. They don't care about this Republican from Pennsylvania. 519 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: Let's doctor Jim Kessler, co founder of Third Ways, a 520 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: democratic strategist, and spent years as policy director legislative policy 521 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: director for Senator Chuck Schumer. Jim, it's great to have 522 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: you back. Following our conversation in advance of this last week, 523 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: it was deeply curious to hear what was on your mind. 524 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 1: Are you more in the Joe Biden mindset that this 525 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: is embarrassing the world is watching, or is this the 526 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: system at work? Well, it's both. It is embarrassing, and 527 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: it's the system at work in what I think we're 528 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: watching of the last several months is a Republican party. 529 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: It's fracturing before our very eyes. And we saw some 530 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: of this in Republican primaries in which extremists won and 531 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: then lost in the general election. And you know, this 532 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: is a This is a culmination of that. This is 533 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: a reverberation of it. Look, eventually there's going to be 534 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: a Republican speaker. I do not think it's going to 535 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: be Kevin mccartny. The this will resolve itself. But this 536 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: is the party coming apart of its seems on c SPAN. 537 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: And we should know they're controlling the cameras, which is 538 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: why we're getting all this great footage of you know, 539 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: Paul Gossar meeting with AOC on the floor, people booing, 540 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: people clapping. Once there's an actual party in charge, Uh, 541 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: then the house cameras will take over, all right, Jim, 542 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: you remember all this stuff. C spans having way too 543 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: much fun this week? Yeah, it's I I've never C 544 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: SPAN is a destination spot on television. How do you 545 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: like them apples? I love it? Alright. So I talked 546 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: to Tim Romer about this earlier this hour. A conversation 547 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: I had today with Congressman Brad Sherman, Uh, and I 548 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: would be better for you to hear his words on 549 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: what a deal with Democrats might actually look like. You know, 550 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: all roads lead to the debt ceiling, as we've discussed. Jim, 551 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: here is what he said this might look like. I 552 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: think we should have a rule that the Democratic Leader 553 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: can bring up to the floor of the House foreign 554 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: immediate vote any bill that would provide a continuing resolution 555 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: to keep government operating if we don't have an appropriations 556 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: bill by September, and that the Democratic Leader can bring 557 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: to the floor at any time a bill to suspend 558 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: the dead limit so that we can actually pay our bills. 559 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: Jim Castler, You've been in the room for a number 560 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: of backroom deals over the years. Would Democrats be motivated 561 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: to do that, or would Republicans for that matter, or 562 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: would that would that just be the death knell for 563 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. Probably the death knel for Kevin McCarthy. I mean, look, 564 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: this is Brad Sherman saying what a lot of Democrats 565 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: and a lot of other people feel is this is 566 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: a non functioning Caucus, and there are in several occasions 567 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: like debt ceiling and the funding of the government, particularly 568 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: debt ceiling, where they hold a bomb in their hands 569 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: and if they don't diffuse it, you know, it could 570 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: blow up in wreck our economy. So, I mean, what 571 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: Brad Sherman is trying to do is something that's very constructive. 572 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: I don't think in the end the speaker will be 573 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: chosen by some Democrats, you know, forging some deal. I 574 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I to me, it's it's a game theory. I think 575 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: as soon as that starts to happen, Republicans will then 576 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: coalesce behind somebody else other than Kevin McCarthy, and probably 577 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: not Jim Jordan's is my view either. I think it's 578 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: Steven Scalise. Is that why his name hasn't come up 579 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: come up yet? I've I've been asking this throughout the day. 580 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: We've we've heard from Jim Jordan to your point. Byron 581 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: Donald's at his big day in the sun today, are 582 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: they intentionally not nominating Steve Scalise as an alternative Jim 583 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: because they want to kind of save the best for last? Yeah, So, 584 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean Byron Donald is a he's a deposit where 585 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: like votes can go there temper rarely. Originally there were 586 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: some votes for Jim Jordan's Jim Jordan's supporting Kevin McCarthy, 587 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: but in the past he has not. In the end. 588 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: My view of what these Renegade twenty are trying to 589 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: do is they want some concessions, but I think that's 590 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: a bit phony. What they really want is they wanted 591 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: to feat Kevin McCarthy. They believe he's he's not a 592 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 1: true believer, they think he's a phony. He's he's a backslapping, 593 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: slapping Paul and they wanted to feed him. Then at 594 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: a certain point they'll coalesce behind someone else, and the 595 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: McCarthy loyalists will say, well, it can't be this person. 596 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: It can't be this person, It can't be this person. 597 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: And then what will be left is with is a 598 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: Steven Scalise or Patrick McHenry who is from North Carolina, 599 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: and I think it'll be Scalise who is the number two. 600 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: Right now, how long does it take to get there? 601 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: You making plans for the weekend, Well, it can last 602 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: for a while, all um. You know I there is 603 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: no real deadline, Okay, I mean you could argue the 604 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: deadline would be, you know, the President's State of the Union. 605 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: Well that's that's in a couple of weeks. You know. 606 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: There's the deadlines are artificial for the most part, so 607 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: this could go on for a while. Oh my god. 608 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: What's Chuck Schumer thinking about all this, Jim? Is it 609 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: fun to watch or is he concerned? Probably a little 610 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: bit of both. So Schumer is an institutionalist, and he 611 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: always has been. He's always believed in the institution, all 612 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: the institutions of government, but particularly Congress. He cherished the House, 613 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: he cherishes the the Senate. It's actually one of the 614 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: things that he and Mitch McConnell have in common. But 615 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: at the same time, he is a smart political animal 616 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: and sees the weakness of House Republicans, and we know 617 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: he's no fan of Kevin McCarthy. To take advantage, Jim, 618 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: thank you for coming in. Let's stay in touch, don't 619 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: go too far as we figure out this process from 620 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: Third Way with us on the Fastest hour in Politics. 621 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: The panel's next, This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg, so 622 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Just consider the 623 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: contrasts between what's happening here inside the bubble and the 624 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: wrangling between not just Republicans and Democrats, but Republicans and Republicans, 625 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: the deep partisanship that's driving every conversation here and what 626 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: we saw today in Kentucky. Kevin McCarthy is not in 627 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: the room right now with Mitch McConnell asking his advice, 628 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: not that he would necessarily do that. Well, Mitch McConnell says, 629 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:49,479 Speaker 1: I'm for Kevin, but no, five hundred miles away, Mitch 630 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: McConnell in Kentucky to welcome none other than Joe Biden 631 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: so they could get together harold a new bridge funded 632 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: by the Structure Law and talk about by artisanship. I'm 633 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: pleased to be here today to be a part of this. 634 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: I encouraged it, I supported it. Mitch. It's you know, 635 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't easy and uh to get this done, and 636 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have gotten done no matter all the work 637 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: so many others have done, and by writing the legislation 638 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: and dropping it in, it wouldn't have happened without your hand. 639 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: It just wouldn't have gotten done. And I want to 640 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: thank you for that. Frankly, surprise this was even allowed 641 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: did anyone cover it other than me. Now we reassemble 642 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: the panel, Rick Davis and Gene Shenzano. These guys can 643 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: start a new buddy movie. Rick, well, this has been 644 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: a buddy movie that's been going on for a long time. 645 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: They don't have to agree on many policy issues, but 646 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: they have a relationship that's been forged over decades. And 647 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: you saw that part of it on full display today. 648 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: And what a contrast, uh, in this event in Ohio 649 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: with what's been going on in the House of Representatives 650 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: and uh so, uh yeah, too bad it was over 651 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: cast by uh the squabble in the house. But kudos 652 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: to all those folks are getting it done. Yeah, well 653 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: that's true. And I mean, look, part of the issue, Genie, 654 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: is that this stuff tends to not get covered as 655 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: much as the vitriolic stuff, the dramatic stuff. That's just 656 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: human nature. But the fact of the matter is, tell 657 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: me what you think about this. Joe Biden and Mitch 658 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: McConnell will both be criticized by their own parties for 659 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: what they did today. They will likely but I'll tell 660 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: you what, Like locally, as you look at the news, 661 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: and they had not just Biden and McConnell. They had 662 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris out there. They had Pete Buddha judge, they 663 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: had Mitch Land Drew, they had Nancy Pelosi all out 664 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: visiting famous bridges and talking about this two point one 665 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: billion dollars set aside for these large bridge programs. These 666 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: things matter. I live near the very new Mario Cuomo 667 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: Bridge in New York and that bridge matters an awful 668 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: lot to our local community as you struggled to go 669 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: across the Hudson River. And so you know, it may 670 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: not get the national international coverage that the vitriol in 671 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: the House does, but people know when the bridge they're 672 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: living next to is about to collapse, and then when 673 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: it's fixed, and it brings a new life economically to 674 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: their to their their neighborhood. And that's what the President 675 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: is touting. He's doing exactly what he should do. This 676 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: was a bipartisan achievement. And I don't think either he 677 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: or McConnell care if they're criticized by the crazies and 678 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: both of their parties. Maybe that's really the point here, 679 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: that's the benefit of seniority. Rick, You don't care what 680 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: crazy people think anymore. Well, you don't want to be 681 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: delayed by it. And uh, I think they'd all like 682 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: the crazy to go away for a while and get 683 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: back to business because there's more work to be done. 684 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a great victory lap for the 685 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: president in Congress, but it's not the only thing that 686 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: needs to happen, you know, with with our country's policies. 687 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: Well you wonder as well, Uh, you know if they're 688 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: going to be rewarded for it when people start seeing 689 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: I realized that the forecast is for a recession on 690 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: the back end and next year. But will they be 691 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: rewarded for for coming together here? Rob Portman was up 692 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: there today. Of course he's retiring here, but Mike Dwine 693 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: shared Brown D's and ours rebuilding stuff, the point being 694 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: helping Americans. You like to think that plays out in 695 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: the end, but we'll find out. Hey, how about we 696 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: meet back here tomorrow, Rick Davis, Jeanie Chanzano. Thanks to 697 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,959 Speaker 1: you both, because we got a lot still left to learn. 698 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,439 Speaker 1: Tonight at eight o'clock is when they resume. It's gonna 699 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: be the theme for the new Buddy movie. Right, This 700 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: has got to be what they're listening to on Air 701 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: Force one on the way back to Washington right now. 702 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: A little can't fire to send us all to bed. Here. 703 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: We'll be watching so you don't have to. Hey, get 704 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: them take out. We're up all night tonight inside the bubble. 705 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: I'll meet you back here tomorrow. No hand holding. I'm 706 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. This is Blue s