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Speaker 2: time guests here on Coast to Coast AM Byron Lacy.
Speaker 2: I still thought he was on here before. I'm like,
Speaker 2: there's no way he's not been on here, because I
Speaker 2: know he's known kind of worldwide in the world in
Speaker 2: the phenomena of being an alien abductee, a contact he
Speaker 2: so we'll ask more about that Byron W. Lacy. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've seen him. I mean, he's got a distinct look,
Speaker 2: and so check out our website so you can see
Speaker 2: a picture of him as well. Born in Burnet, Texas,
Speaker 2: He's a fourth generation Texan and a fourth generation alien abductee.
Speaker 2: He was taken when he first remembers this at five
Speaker 2: years old, and he does a whole lot to help
Speaker 2: other abductees along the way how they can can cope
Speaker 2: with the phenomena. And he also holds degrees in English
Speaker 2: and art. You know a lot of people think, oh,
Speaker 2: abductees that you know, they're these little homeless people somewhere
Speaker 2: that tell these embellished stories. Not at all. In fact,
Speaker 2: most of them are geniuses in some area and some way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. And that's something we can talk about too.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely the truth. Freelance artists, he's got all sorts
Speaker 2: of art out there. We'll talk about that as well.
Speaker 2: And he's also an investigator for Texas Child Protective Services.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. That must mean ability. So let's bring
Speaker 2: him on. Byron Lacy, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 2: us tonight and looking forward to learning a whole lot
Speaker 2: more about you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on the show.
Speaker 2: I Camp. I thought you had been on here before.
Speaker 2: I really have. Is it just a mistake that I
Speaker 2: didn't see you in the archives?
Speaker 3: No, I never have been.
Speaker 2: Well, here you are.
Speaker 3: I've been on other shows, but not Coast to Coast.
Speaker 2: Will you made it?
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for you made it and.
Speaker 2: I got to have you. So that's great. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: So tell us a little bit about yourself. I mean,
Speaker 2: is it to where everybody when they first see you
Speaker 2: they just go Aleen abductee or in other worlds? Or
Speaker 2: do they just see you as an artist?
Speaker 3: Well? Where I live in the Sexes, No, not very
Speaker 3: many people know I'm an abductee. It's mostly close friends.
Speaker 3: But I can tell people about it now. The first
Speaker 3: people I told I was an abductee would be in
Speaker 3: checkout lines at grocery stores, strangers I would never see again, and.
Speaker 2: They probably hoped they would never see you again.
Speaker 3: Actually they listened and found it more interesting than just
Speaker 3: sitting and standing in line.
Speaker 2: That's excellent. That's excellent. Well, tell us how it all
Speaker 2: started with you.
Speaker 3: Well, it was actually in nineteen fifty six. I know,
Speaker 3: I think in my book I put fifty five, but
Speaker 3: one day I really We didn't move to Cigaville until
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty six, and that's where it happened, was in Cigaville, Texas.
Speaker 3: And Mom would we had a routine where she would
Speaker 3: walk me into the bedroom and help me up on
Speaker 3: the bed if I needed it, and tuck me in,
Speaker 3: and I'd always have to kick off the covers after
Speaker 3: she left because it would be too hot. And one
Speaker 3: night she left the room and I turned around to
Speaker 3: lay down, and there were three little guys standing at
Speaker 3: the side at the foot of my bed, and they
Speaker 3: were showing up about a foot and a half to
Speaker 3: two foot above the mattress. It was an old bed,
Speaker 3: so it was actually higher off the floor than a
Speaker 3: lot of them are now had ourn railings and everything,
Speaker 3: or headboard and footboard. So I screamed for Mama, because
Speaker 3: I didn't know how they got in my room, much
Speaker 3: less what they worked. They looked for be strange and
Speaker 3: she came in and they were gone, so she just
Speaker 3: tucked me in again. She didn't say anything. She didn't
Speaker 3: say it was a dream. She didn't say I was
Speaker 3: making it up, But she didn't say anything about it.
Speaker 3: And I told her that there'd be three men in there.
Speaker 3: So the second night. It happened again. The very next night,
Speaker 3: and it was the same thing. They disappeared right right
Speaker 3: before she walked in the room. The third night, they
Speaker 3: disappeared before she walked in the room, and she sat
Speaker 3: down on the bed and she said, son, don't call
Speaker 3: me in here anymore, because they're not going to be
Speaker 3: here when I come in. You're just going to have
Speaker 3: to learn to deal with them yourself.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then she well she was right though.
Speaker 2: Well it's very telling too, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I didn't even realize that it meant she'd
Speaker 3: seen them as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's what I pick up from that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in sixty one and I'll talk about that
Speaker 3: in a minute, I found out a little bit more.
Speaker 3: But anyway, she left the room and I turned around
Speaker 3: and they were back, And this time there was a
Speaker 3: being that was about seven foot tall, sort of in
Speaker 3: the shadows. I had light coming in from the hallway.
Speaker 3: He was sort of over in the shadows, and he
Speaker 3: looked like Captain Hook from Peter Pan, except I couldn't
Speaker 3: tell what he looked like from the waist down. He
Speaker 3: just it looks sort of like he had a pirate's
Speaker 3: vest on and a big hat. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I couldn't move, and the beds started well, the room
Speaker 3: started expanding. I thought, that's what I saw. The room
Speaker 3: was getting bigger. The bed started rotating. In the middle
Speaker 3: of the room, Captain Hook was dancing around in a
Speaker 3: weird sort of way over at the side of the bed,
Speaker 3: away from me, over near the wall and the three graves.
Speaker 3: They seemed to be moving with the bed, and I
Speaker 3: put up with this for a little bit that I
Speaker 3: was about to panic when it was all gone, and
Speaker 3: so I pulling covers up over my head, which I
Speaker 3: did every night after that, because I figured if they
Speaker 3: were going to come back, I just didn't want to
Speaker 3: see them. It's not that they scared me, it's just
Speaker 3: that they were so strange looking. They didn't relate to
Speaker 3: anything that I could think of in my surroundings or
Speaker 3: my environment. And so that was my first my first
Speaker 3: encounter with them.
Speaker 2: How long did this go on in your life before
Speaker 2: you realize this was something different, something special, or you
Speaker 2: got a handle on it.
Speaker 3: Well, actually I didn't know what was going on until
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. But in nineteen sixty one I
Speaker 3: saw my first spaceship or alien ufo with a group
Speaker 3: of students at Cigaville in the music class. But let
Speaker 3: me tell you something else first. Sure, this song became
Speaker 3: popular in the United States and it was from England,
Speaker 3: and it was called does your chewing Gum Lose its
Speaker 3: flavor on the bedpost overnight?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: It does? After I tuoed it.
Speaker 3: That was the chorus to the song. Yes, Well, it
Speaker 3: started playing in my head one night and I couldn't
Speaker 3: go to sleep and it played all long. All night long,
Speaker 3: I could hear this song playing. And Mom came in
Speaker 3: in the morning to get me to go have breakfast,
Speaker 3: and I said, I can't go to school. I didn't
Speaker 3: sleep any last night and we were staying. We went
Speaker 3: into the kitchen and I told her that this song
Speaker 3: had kept playing in my head and I asked her
Speaker 3: what it was, and she said she didn't know. And
Speaker 3: asked her why it happened, and she said she didn't know.
Speaker 3: Then she took me into the living room and put
Speaker 3: me on the sofa and turned on the television and
Speaker 3: she said, you stay here all day. You watched TV.
Speaker 3: And she gave me a soft drink to drink, and
Speaker 3: she said, I'm going to picture breakfast and you're going
Speaker 3: to stay awake all day, so you sleep tonight because
Speaker 3: you are going to school tomorrow. Well, she left the
Speaker 3: room and went into the dining room, which I could
Speaker 3: see into because it had a big double opening no doors,
Speaker 3: but a big double opening door. What And she got
Speaker 3: the telephone off the wall, had the handset, and walked
Speaker 3: into the kitchen and she made a call to somebody. Well,
Speaker 3: I watched TV all day long, and at four o'clock
Speaker 3: my father came home. And he worked at Cigaville Prison
Speaker 3: as a prison guard. He was about six ' four
Speaker 3: and looked like dirty Harry, had a fur haircut, and
Speaker 3: he was a very imposing person. He was naturally strong
Speaker 3: at that point in his life. Well, he came in
Speaker 3: and he walked right past me, and he took my
Speaker 3: mother by the hand and he walked her into the
Speaker 3: kitchen and they had some kind of conversation. Then he
Speaker 3: came out and he sat down on the sofa next
Speaker 3: to me, well in front of me. Basically I was
Speaker 3: still laying down, and he said, son, you better straighten up,
Speaker 3: or we're going to have to take you to a psychiatry.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Now, in nineteen sixty one a psychia, you didn't want
Speaker 3: to go to a psychiatrist. No, big There was a
Speaker 3: big stigma against it. It wasn't like today where people
Speaker 3: go to counseling all the time. And he said, we
Speaker 3: laces don't talk about ourselves. Now, why are you talking
Speaker 3: about this stuff? I had the faintest idea because my
Speaker 3: problem was this song playing over and over my head.
Speaker 3: But he's going, I didn't know anything about my parents
Speaker 3: except what happened to them when I was with them,
Speaker 3: and I found out later this was a lie. And
Speaker 3: he said, we don't talk about ourselves, and you don't
Speaker 3: want people to know about you, and you don't want
Speaker 3: to be famous. And I think I had probably talked
Speaker 3: about wanting to be something where I would be famous
Speaker 3: for some reason, even as at eleven years old. And
Speaker 3: he said, in the eighteen nineties, you had a female
Speaker 3: relative that told people, told everyone that little people came
Speaker 3: into her room at night and talked to her, and
Speaker 3: they put her in an insane asylum after a while
Speaker 3: because she wouldn't back off on her story. Oh he
Speaker 3: didn't say it that way, but that's what he meant.
Speaker 3: He said, And you don't want that to happen to you. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm going this is all because I heard a song
Speaker 3: playing in my head. Huh. And I wasn't even thinking
Speaker 3: about the Little Guys in nineteen fifty six, but obviously
Speaker 3: he was. He had remembered that happening to me. My
Speaker 3: mother had remembered that happening to me. So that was
Speaker 3: the end of the conversation. But he warned me again
Speaker 3: not talked about this to any one. So I watched
Speaker 3: TV the rest of the night, the rest of the evening,
Speaker 3: and then I went to bed, and I slept and
Speaker 3: went to schooling axt day. This was in nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 3: and another event happened that year which was very strange.
Speaker 3: I was taking a music class which was sort of
Speaker 3: a precursor to being in band in later years in
Speaker 3: junior high in high school, and I didn't want to
Speaker 3: take thee I wanted to be in band, So I
Speaker 3: was in the music class, in which we did some chorus,
Speaker 3: we sang some, we learned to play the tonette. We
Speaker 3: did learn a little bit about music, but not much,
Speaker 3: but some. Well, one day our teacher, who's named Doc
Speaker 3: Mister Kathy, Mister Kathy was sick and this young woman
Speaker 3: in her twenties was there's our substitute teacher. And I
Speaker 3: had never seen her before, and she was fetchingly beautiful.
Speaker 3: She had dark hair, very blue eyes. I remember that
Speaker 3: even to this day. And I almost fell in love
Speaker 3: with her. And we lived in a small town where
Speaker 3: you might not know everybody, but usually you would see somebody,
Speaker 3: and if you saw her, you would remember. So she
Speaker 3: took the role. And then she said, and it was
Speaker 3: just turning warmer weather from the winter. She said, we're
Speaker 3: going to go outside and do kelisthenics. Well, none of
Speaker 3: us wanted to do kelesnics. That's why we were in
Speaker 3: music class, so we weren't the most enthusiastic crowd she
Speaker 3: could have. She took us out and there was this
Speaker 3: gravel driveway by the edge of the sk school there
Speaker 3: where we stood. It was an old brick school house
Speaker 3: made into the twenties or thirties. Actually and she had
Speaker 3: us line up and stretch our fingers out, stretch our
Speaker 3: arms out, and touch our tips of our fingers, and
Speaker 3: then move away from each other about a foot. And
Speaker 3: there were probably twenty of us in the class. We
Speaker 3: were in the hot sun, and she stood under this
Speaker 3: big oak tree in a shade, so yeah, she really
Speaker 3: was to go outside. She said, we're going to do
Speaker 3: side straddle hops, and we all knew what those were,
Speaker 3: so we started doing the side of straddle hops and
Speaker 3: she started counting, and then suddenly the whole class just
Speaker 3: froze and we were looking above the tree that she
Speaker 3: was standing under, and she was looking at us, and
Speaker 3: she didn't look up. And this thing, Now, I used
Speaker 3: to put together models, and at this time I was
Speaker 3: big into putting together model ships. This looked like a
Speaker 3: George Washington class nuclear submarine turned upside down with the
Speaker 3: conning tower removed and the battle deck of the USS
Speaker 3: Missouri put on it, except that the guns and stuff
Speaker 3: were like little rooms. Now at one point in time,
Speaker 3: much later I thought that this was probably an illusion.
Speaker 3: But I ended up talking about this on another show,
Speaker 3: and a woman contacted me afterwards and told me that
Speaker 3: she had a friend who had seen the she same
Speaker 3: type of ship many years later. So apparently this ship
Speaker 3: does exist, but it isn't seen very much.
Speaker 2: And that's what you saw above her, right above the
Speaker 2: tree tree.
Speaker 3: So we're all standing there looking at it with our
Speaker 3: mouths hanging open, and she goes, all right, all right,
Speaker 3: let's get back to work. That's not anything. It's nothing. Now,
Speaker 3: how did she know it was nothing? She naturally looked
Speaker 3: up at it. She couldn't see it. She was under
Speaker 3: the tree. And we did about five more side straddlehops
Speaker 3: in the bell rang. Now, this was an hour long class,
Speaker 3: and my memory of it was about twenty minutes, including
Speaker 3: the taking role, the going out there and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Maybe even not twenty minutes. So there was actually, even
Speaker 3: though I didn't know the concept, there was missing time.
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