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Speaker 2: learn about everything else. All right, So abductdees. Wow, first

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Speaker 2: time guests here on Coast to Coast AM Byron Lacy.

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Speaker 2: I still thought he was on here before. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: there's no way he's not been on here, because I

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Speaker 2: know he's known kind of worldwide in the world in

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Speaker 2: the phenomena of being an alien abductee, a contact he

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Speaker 2: so we'll ask more about that Byron W. Lacy. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you've seen him. I mean, he's got a distinct look,

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Speaker 2: and so check out our website so you can see

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Speaker 2: a picture of him as well. Born in Burnet, Texas,

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Speaker 2: He's a fourth generation Texan and a fourth generation alien abductee.

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Speaker 2: He was taken when he first remembers this at five

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Speaker 2: years old, and he does a whole lot to help

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Speaker 2: other abductees along the way how they can can cope

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Speaker 2: with the phenomena. And he also holds degrees in English

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Speaker 2: and art. You know a lot of people think, oh,

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Speaker 2: abductees that you know, they're these little homeless people somewhere

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Speaker 2: that tell these embellished stories. Not at all. In fact,

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Speaker 2: most of them are geniuses in some area and some way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form. And that's something we can talk about too.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely the truth. Freelance artists, he's got all sorts

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Speaker 2: of art out there. We'll talk about that as well.

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Speaker 2: And he's also an investigator for Texas Child Protective Services.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting. That must mean ability. So let's bring

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Speaker 2: him on. Byron Lacy, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: us tonight and looking forward to learning a whole lot

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Speaker 2: more about you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on the show.

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Speaker 2: I Camp. I thought you had been on here before.

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Speaker 2: I really have. Is it just a mistake that I

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Speaker 2: didn't see you in the archives?

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Speaker 3: No, I never have been.

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Speaker 2: Well, here you are.

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Speaker 3: I've been on other shows, but not Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 2: Will you made it?

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Speaker 3: I've been waiting for you made it and.

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Speaker 2: I got to have you. So that's great. I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: So tell us a little bit about yourself. I mean,

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Speaker 2: is it to where everybody when they first see you

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Speaker 2: they just go Aleen abductee or in other worlds? Or

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Speaker 2: do they just see you as an artist?

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Speaker 3: Well? Where I live in the Sexes, No, not very

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Speaker 3: many people know I'm an abductee. It's mostly close friends.

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Speaker 3: But I can tell people about it now. The first

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Speaker 3: people I told I was an abductee would be in

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Speaker 3: checkout lines at grocery stores, strangers I would never see again, and.

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Speaker 2: They probably hoped they would never see you again.

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Speaker 3: Actually they listened and found it more interesting than just

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Speaker 2: That's excellent. That's excellent. Well, tell us how it all

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Speaker 3: Well, it was actually in nineteen fifty six. I know,

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Speaker 3: nineteen fifty six, and that's where it happened, was in Cigaville, Texas.

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Speaker 3: And Mom would we had a routine where she would

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Speaker 3: And I told her that there'd be three men in there.

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Speaker 3: So the second night. It happened again. The very next night,

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Speaker 3: And then she well she was right though.

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Speaker 2: Well it's very telling too, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I didn't even realize that it meant she'd

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And in sixty one and I'll talk about that

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Speaker 3: in a minute, I found out a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, she left the room and I turned around

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Speaker 3: He was sort of over in the shadows, and he

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Speaker 3: looked like Captain Hook from Peter Pan, except I couldn't

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Speaker 2: How long did this go on in your life before

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Speaker 2: you realize this was something different, something special, or you

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Speaker 3: Well, actually I didn't know what was going on until

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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. But in nineteen sixty one I

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Speaker 3: saw my first spaceship or alien ufo with a group

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Speaker 3: of students at Cigaville in the music class. But let

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Speaker 3: me tell you something else first. Sure, this song became

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Speaker 3: popular in the United States and it was from England,

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Speaker 3: and it was called does your chewing Gum Lose its

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Speaker 3: That was the chorus to the song. Yes, Well, it

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Speaker 3: and I said, I can't go to school. I didn't

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Speaker 3: had kept playing in my head and I asked her

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Speaker 3: asked her why it happened, and she said she didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Then she took me into the living room and put

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Speaker 3: And she gave me a soft drink to drink, and

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Speaker 3: she said, I'm going to picture breakfast and you're going

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Speaker 3: I watched TV all day long, and at four o'clock

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Speaker 3: at that point in his life. Well, he came in

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Speaker 3: Now, in nineteen sixty one a psychia, you didn't want

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Speaker 3: But he's going, I didn't know anything about my parents

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Speaker 3: he said, in the eighteen nineties, you had a female

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Speaker 3: they put her in an insane asylum after a while

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Speaker 3: because she wouldn't back off on her story. Oh he

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Speaker 3: didn't say it that way, but that's what he meant.

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Speaker 3: He said, And you don't want that to happen to you. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm going this is all because I heard a song

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Speaker 3: went to schooling axt day. This was in nineteen sixty one,

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Speaker 3: and another event happened that year which was very strange.

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Speaker 3: take thee I wanted to be in band, So I

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Speaker 3: was in the music class, in which we did some chorus,

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Speaker 3: did learn a little bit about music, but not much,

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Speaker 3: but some. Well, one day our teacher, who's named Doc

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Speaker 3: Mister Kathy, Mister Kathy was sick and this young woman

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Speaker 3: in her twenties was there's our substitute teacher. And I

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Speaker 3: had never seen her before, and she was fetchingly beautiful.

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Speaker 3: She had dark hair, very blue eyes. I remember that

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Speaker 3: even to this day. And I almost fell in love

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Speaker 3: with her. And we lived in a small town where

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Speaker 3: you might not know everybody, but usually you would see somebody,

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Speaker 3: and if you saw her, you would remember. So she

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Speaker 3: took the role. And then she said, and it was

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Speaker 3: just turning warmer weather from the winter. She said, we're

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Speaker 3: going to go outside and do kelisthenics. Well, none of

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Speaker 3: us wanted to do kelesnics. That's why we were in

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Speaker 3: music class, so we weren't the most enthusiastic crowd she

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Speaker 3: could have. She took us out and there was this

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Speaker 3: where we stood. It was an old brick school house

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Speaker 3: made into the twenties or thirties. Actually and she had

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Speaker 3: us line up and stretch our fingers out, stretch our

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Speaker 3: arms out, and touch our tips of our fingers, and

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Speaker 3: then move away from each other about a foot. And

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Speaker 3: there were probably twenty of us in the class. We

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Speaker 3: were in the hot sun, and she stood under this

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Speaker 3: was to go outside. She said, we're going to do

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Speaker 3: side straddle hops, and we all knew what those were,

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Speaker 3: so we started doing the side of straddle hops and

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Speaker 3: she started counting, and then suddenly the whole class just

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Speaker 3: she didn't look up. And this thing, Now, I used

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Speaker 3: to put together models, and at this time I was

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Speaker 3: big into putting together model ships. This looked like a

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Speaker 3: George Washington class nuclear submarine turned upside down with the

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Speaker 3: conning tower removed and the battle deck of the USS

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Speaker 3: were like little rooms. Now at one point in time,

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Speaker 3: much later I thought that this was probably an illusion.

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Speaker 3: But I ended up talking about this on another show,

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Speaker 3: she had a friend who had seen the she same

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Speaker 3: type of ship many years later. So apparently this ship

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Speaker 3: does exist, but it isn't seen very much.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you saw above her, right above the

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Speaker 2: tree tree.

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Speaker 3: So we're all standing there looking at it with our

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Speaker 3: mouths hanging open, and she goes, all right, all right,

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Speaker 3: let's get back to work. That's not anything. It's nothing. Now,

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Speaker 3: how did she know it was nothing? She naturally looked

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Speaker 3: up at it. She couldn't see it. She was under

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Speaker 3: the tree. And we did about five more side straddlehops

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Speaker 3: in the bell rang. Now, this was an hour long class,

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Speaker 3: and my memory of it was about twenty minutes, including

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Speaker 3: the taking role, the going out there and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Maybe even not twenty minutes. So there was actually, even

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Speaker 3: though I didn't know the concept, there was missing time.

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