1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Hey, what welcome in on Doug Godlie, this is all ball. Well, 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: welcome in. And if you listen to part one of 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Chris Crushfield, you're like, man, that guy is a great guy. 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: What an interesting story and interesting journey. Part two, well 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: it gets even more interesting. Why leave being an assistant 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: coach and at highly paid one at Arkansas to take 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: a Division two head coaching job somewhere in Oklahoma? Oh yeah, 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: and then how do you get the I guess dream 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: job of being the head coach is on? Maaa, all 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: that's in here. Let's get to part two with Chris Crutchfield. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: You're a noble. 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: So you go to TCU. Was what was Neil like? 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: Oh he came from Roy Williams. I mean they won 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: a lot of games at Kansas when he was there, 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: so he was sharp. He was smart. Played for coach 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: k at West Point, so I mean you can only 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: know what what that characteristic was like. So he was 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: real detail oriented and uh and I learned. I learned, 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: you know, Kansas basketball. I learned the North Carolina transition break. 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: I learned a lot of things about basketball that I 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: thought I knew, but I learned even more just been 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 3: around him. Those two years. 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: When you're at New Mexico State, you guys won a lot, right, Well, yeah, 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: what about it at TCU? I think you guys struggle, right, 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: that was in the Mountain West, I think right, correct, 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: that's correct, And that was before they did all the facilities. 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: That was before they threw a bunch of money into 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: the program. 29 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: Exactly right. Not easy, hard job. 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: Yes, TCU is a very very which funny because now 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: TCU is not an easy job. 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: But now it's the place, it's kind of that's kind 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: of a hot place. Right. 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: Well, they changed. When you change facility and you got resources, 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: it's amazing what you can do. 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, completely. And then okay, so now you're moving around. 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: You guys get let go at the end of your 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: second year. 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: Actually I left to go to or Roberts and they 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: stayed around for another year. They kept Neil for another year. 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: So now you go work for Scott correct? What was 42 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: that like? 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: I was shocked that the or Roberts job was better 44 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 3: than the TCU job at that time, I believe it 45 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: or not. When I tell people that, they're like, no, 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: no way, oh yes, way, yes, way from salaries all 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: the way up into all of it, just what the 48 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: program was. Scott had done an unbelievable job there. I 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 3: replaced Corey Williams and went in there and we won 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: the conference championship the first year. I mean just ran 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: through it. And I ended up going to any state 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: tournament and if I'm mistaken, we end up going to 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: two more and say tournaments and another postseason play while 54 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: I was there. But I was there for four years 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: with Scott. Scott was great to work for, and we 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: had some really good players and I had a lot 57 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 3: of fun. I really enjoyed living in Tulsa. Then I know, 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: I got blessed and had the opportunity to go to 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: home after that. 60 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: Uh at or Roberts. 61 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: At the time, though as much as it's a better 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: job in terms of resources support, you're working for a 63 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: good dude. 64 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: It's not a yeller, screamer, curshort, you know whatever. 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: Right, But like did kids still I had to wear 66 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: a tie to go to class, right, you still have 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, you still have an honor code. There's still 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, there was a time there where we recruit 69 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: kids with tattoos. 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Like that's not easy, No, that's not easy. 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: No, what you didn't have to wear ties back then 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: they just released that. But you had to wear a 73 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: collar shirt. So a polo A polo did work, and 74 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: you have to wear pants, you couldn't wear shorts. Uh, 75 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: and you had to go to chapel twice a week. 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: So I was able to put a spin on that, Doug. 77 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: I mean, anytime you're going to do a home visit 78 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: and you're talking to a mom, sure, there's nothing wrong 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: with going to church, yes. 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, So it's it's yeah, it's all. It's all 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: about the players in their hands. 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 2: It's like that's. 83 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: Theer is like no, no, no, no no. And mom was like, 84 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: I want you to go to Old Robbins because you're 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: gonna go to church three times, two times a week. 86 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. 87 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: How did you How did you uh get out with 88 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: coach crude? That? How that all go down? 89 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: Actually? Uh, my good friend Lou Hill Uh. Lou Hill 90 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 3: uh and i've been friends since my time that Tyler 91 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: Junior college and we've always kept a relationship. And it's 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: funny I tell people this story, Dug. Every time I 93 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: was at or Roberts, we would play Southern Utah. So 94 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: you're flying in Vegas and we would stay in Vegas 95 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: and then drive up for the game and come back. 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: For four straight years, I would always go and see 97 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: Lou and see Coach. And at the time I didn't 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: know Coach, but Lou introduced me to him and we 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: go to lunch. When it's suitable, we go to dinner. 100 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: I stopped by the office and just talk for four 101 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: straight years. Then when they get the job at Oklahoma, 102 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: when he called me and asked me, he said, Crutch, 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 3: it is Oklahoma a good job. I said, why you asked? 104 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: He's like, I think coach. They offered coaches job, but 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: he turned them down. I said, well, it's probably one 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: of the better jobs in the state. I mean they've 107 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: had success. Now they got some problems because you know 108 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: what's going on there now, but Coach is good at that. 109 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: He specialized in turning things around. And don't see another 110 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: worry about it. Two weeks later he gets the job 111 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: and and then he called he said, would you have 112 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: any interest? Coach wants someone that knows Texas and knows 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: Oklahoma recruiting. I said, well, I have out of interest. Yeah, 114 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: I'm on my way. You tell me I can get 115 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: the job. I go interview and it goes well, he 116 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: called Scott and I'm waiting by the phone. Man One 117 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 3: day he said, he called Scott and tell Scott he's 118 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: gonna offer me the job. Right, and this is about 119 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: nine o'clock in the morning. He said, he's gonna call 120 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: you on your school on your on your desk phone 121 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: by about noon. I said, okay, I'll be here. We 122 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: used to go to lunch every day with our staff 123 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 3: at the or Robertson that day, I didn't go to lunch. 124 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 3: I'm waiting at my desk by the desk phone back 125 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: then there, you know, you had desk phones back then. 126 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: End Up, he called about twelve forty five and offered 127 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: me the job. 128 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: It's interesting about that is my dad. 129 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: Actually, you know, got a chance to coach coach Kruger 130 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: in college on the freshman team, and then he was 131 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: assistant on the varsity at k State. 132 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: I didn't know that fun. 133 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, no way with Jack Hartman, uh huh, oh my goodness. 134 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: And then I nearly went to play for him at Florida. 135 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: Oh and Miles Simon is my best friend, right, So 136 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Miles was the class before me, and they recruit us 137 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: hard Man. Why am I forgetting Oh? Man oh. He 138 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: had an assistant who actually, like Lou passed away last year, 139 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Ron Stewart yep so. Ron basically lived out in Orange 140 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: County trying to recruit the two of us. So Miles 141 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: went on a visit the year before and loved it 142 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: and then got on a plane to come home and 143 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: he was like, it's too far. 144 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: I can't do it. I love Florida. 145 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: They went to the Final four in ninety four and 146 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: I was like, all in. And but they had been 147 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: on me for so long. I think they were just 148 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: they were just like worn down with the fact that, 149 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: like I want to take my visits, and I started 150 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: to get interested interests from other people and anyway, but 151 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: you fast forward to when coach took that job. 152 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. 153 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: I was in Connecticut and Josie actually I reached out 154 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: to Joe Cie to see where he was with the 155 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: coaching search, and he said, what do you think? Because 156 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: I had done my brother was at Santuli State and 157 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: I had done a bunch of unov games, he said, 158 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: what do you think about coach Krueger? 159 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: I said, you can't find a better guy to turn 160 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: a running program. 161 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, And and as you know, for what, for 162 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: what that place needed where to let people in, you know, 163 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: to be kind of a man people. Plus you know, 164 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: they love golf and he loves golf and all that stuff. 165 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: So when he didn't get him the first time, you know, 166 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: he was kind of going through his list with me. 167 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: He didn't use a committee, he didn't use a search 168 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: firm or whatever. He was just doing his own thing. 169 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: So he's kind of I was like, I said, why 170 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: did Krueger turn you down? He said, you know, I 171 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: don't know, well how much. It's like, why doesn't she 172 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: just offer more money? 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: And he did? 174 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: And you know, coach Kruger to this day would say, 175 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, he was in bad financial shape. 176 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: He knew they couldn't match, and and and Vegas says, 177 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: you know, never been the same, Like obviously now Kevin's 178 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: trying to save it, right, but it literally never been 179 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: the same. And okay, so what is it about Lon Kruger, Like, 180 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: what's the what's the magic, what's the secret? 181 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: Sauce? There? I just at the at the horn of 182 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: it all, he's a good man. He's a good man, 183 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: that carabob key. And he's smart. He's really really smart 184 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: and I think when you got those things going for you, 185 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 3: you're going to be successful no matter what you do. 186 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: And he treats people right. He treats everyone right, from 187 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: a billionaire donor to the manager. He's going to treat 188 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: you the same. And I enjoy that a guy with 189 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 3: his statue, just watching how he maneuver through the office. 190 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 3: When strangers came in the office, he would row off 191 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: the red carpet for him like he knew him for 192 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: twenty years. And he was just treating everyone so sincere, 193 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: so genuine about the way he went about things, very 194 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: professional with the staff, and he was demanding for the players, 195 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: but he was fair and he was firm. But he 196 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 3: was a good coach. I mean, he knew he was. 197 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: I tell people this today. He's one of the best 198 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: basketball offensive minds in the game of basketball. And the 199 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: time he put in watching film, the way he could 200 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: dissect a defense to squee squeeze out the extra six 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: to eight points a game, he was really good at that. 202 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he just he had great, great basketball 203 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: mind the building of that Final four team and obviously 204 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: didn't end great in the Final four. But that's kind 205 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: of a mood point, right, the building blocks of it. 206 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: Talk to me about how you guys and recruiting put 207 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: that together. 208 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: Well, it started off. We knew we needed better guards 209 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: in that twenty twelve class right and where we were 210 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: we really couldn't get involved with any high major guys. 211 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: So so luckily I had a relationship with Buddy Hill 212 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: for my time at Oor Roberts from you know, in Bahamas. 213 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: We kind of helped put him at sun Rise at 214 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: that time. At that time, we had no idea he 215 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: was going to be what he's going to be. We 216 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: got lucky with Buddy. Lou picked up Isaiah Cousins from 217 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: Mount Vernon High School in Mount Vernon, New York, who 218 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: was getting some A ten fields, but no one really 219 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: pulled the trigger. Only only reason Lou took him because 220 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: he kind of reminded Lou of himself and he was 221 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: from Mount Vernon. And then we end up getting a kid, 222 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 3: Jelan horn Hornbeck from Dallas. He was a highly recruited kid, 223 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: maybe rise out of the top one hundred. We was 224 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: able to convince Ryan Spangler to come back home from Gonzaga, 225 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 3: who was a really good high school player in Oklahoma, 226 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 3: and we took a kid by the name of DJ 227 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: Bennett was a junior college kids from Indian Hills Junior 228 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: College by way of Chicago, And that was our first 229 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: recruiting class, and we thought we had all the right guards. 230 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: We thought we had a big time piece in Ryan Spangler, 231 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: and we just thought DJ was a good enough athlete 232 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: to play in the Big Big twelve. He was a 233 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: backup in the Big twelve. What he was. And the 234 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: whole thing was, if we keep this group together and 235 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: can plug in a couple of pieces along the way, 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: we would have a chance to be really, really good. 237 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: We didn't think we would be, you know, Final four good. 238 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: We didn't think that. But but as luck have it, 239 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: everything fell into place, Everything fell into place. Those guys 240 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: got bigger, stronger. But he turned himself into a great shooter. 241 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: Isaiah turned itself into a playmaking guard at six y four. 242 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: And of course Ryan Spangle did all the dirty work. 243 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: He was the best rebounder, he was the best position defender, 244 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: and he just did all the things that brought everything together. 245 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: He was the perfect blue guy on that on that 246 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: Final fourteen. But it is amazing the competitive uh spirit 247 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: that Buddy had, that Isaea had, and that was the 248 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: core of the whole thing, man, because we built around 249 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: those two guys. 250 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Buddy, the buddy heeled effect, right, It is 251 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: infectious personality. 252 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: Yep. 253 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: What's that like to be around on a daily day. 254 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: It was fun. It was fun because I remember him 255 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: as a freshman telling all the older guys that we 256 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: had and heard it in our program that they were 257 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: soft and they went tough and you know, I can't 258 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: wait till you guys leave. You know, he was like that, 259 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: and uh I knew then. I was like, this guy 260 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: is crazy. He's crazy or he's serious, Like like he's 261 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: telling these upperclassmen that they're soft and they know they're 262 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: not competitive. And this is freshman year in college. And 263 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: he didn't have a great freshman year, of course, but 264 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: he was a like I told you, he was a 265 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: every day he brought it. He played hard, and he 266 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: had this competitive spirit about him that that was so contagious, 267 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: and eventually it just bled into those older guys. We 268 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: ended up being a ten seed in the tournament its 269 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: first year, end up getting beat by San Diego State, 270 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: But we had jumped in year two from not making 271 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 3: the tournament in year one to year two with that 272 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: twenty twelve class of being a ten seed, and we 273 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: felt like we had jumped a year in our rebuilding. 274 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: So you go to it's funny that you go into 275 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: the next year, which is year three. We luckily we're 276 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: a five seed. I don't know how that happened. We 277 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: ended up getting beat first round by North Dakota State 278 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: and spoke in and that was kind of the. 279 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: I was there. 280 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: I called the game all the game, you're up, like, yeah, 281 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: you're up with like a minute minute thirty to go. 282 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: Yep. When ended up going overtime yep, miss free throws. 283 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, misstreet throws. I think DJ fouled out. Somebody filed 284 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: out to something. It was myster throws, a couple of 285 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: dumb plays and foul out whatever. 286 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: You know, Like, yeah, I tell you what happened is 287 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: your cousins found the kid on a three point shot. 288 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: That's what it was. 289 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, did he found out? Yeah? Exactly right. So so 290 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: that that game, that game though, kind of was the uh, 291 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: the gas for for for the program, the competitive spirit 292 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: even more because those guys were so upset that they lost, 293 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: uh the way they lost it, because they knew they 294 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 3: gave the game away and and those guys all played 295 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: a big part. Buddy, Isaiah, Julyan, they all played a 296 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: big part in that game, Ryan Spangler. So they worked 297 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: up but off that off season and I knew. I 298 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: knew that. I told Coach Lou, and Lou always say 299 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: like like that loss was good for us. We had 300 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: made the tournament. Everybody was happy, but that loss was 301 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 3: good for us because now we had to grow up 302 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 3: and be serious about the game of basketball. And that 303 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: off season, I think I think we added a couple 304 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: more pieces. We added a shooter kid by the name 305 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: of Frank Booker came in and uh, because we needed 306 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: more shooting to space the floor. And that junior year 307 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 3: was the year we ended up going to Sweet sixteen, 308 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: you know, getting beat on the last second shot by 309 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 3: Michigan State on the offensive rebound. And we really felt 310 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: like that was a year that we that we we 311 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: grew up to the point where we knew we had 312 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: something here and we kept them all together. Man, that 313 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: was the key to the whole thing. Those guys that 314 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: played one hundred and nine games together, Riy Spangler, Buddy Hill, 315 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: Isaac's cousin, and Jordan Wood. Those guys play one hundred 316 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: and nine games together and that was that was the 317 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: team that ended up going to the Final four, just 318 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: because we had chemistry, we had a connection, and we 319 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: were talented, of course, but when you keep a group 320 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: together that long in this day and age, you're probably 321 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: gonna win. 322 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 323 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 4: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 324 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 4: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 325 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: listen live. 326 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: What do you remember? Let's say the good memories, So 327 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: what do you remember? You know, Hopkinsville, Kentucky to Junior College, 328 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: to U n O, to Utsa to junior college. In 329 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: my show, what do you remember about walking out seventy 330 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: five thousand people are in Houston to watch your game? 331 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: It was unbelieved experience. I get deals right now just 332 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: thinking about that, because and the good part about it, 333 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: they would take my boys with me on the floor 334 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: and they was probably probably fifteen thirteen, fourteen fifteen, and 335 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: you know it just when you're that age, you know, 336 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 3: everything is big, and had a chance to get them 337 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 3: on the floor and hang out for the practices and 338 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: they're on the bus, you know, and you know what 339 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: kind of escorts you get when you're in the final four. 340 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: So it was an unbelievable experience man for them to 341 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: be able to be a part of that and see 342 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: that and experience that, because as a coach, that is 343 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: the ultimate goal. 344 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 4: Man. 345 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: So many years we go to the coaching convention and 346 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 3: you always dream of being in the final four as 347 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 3: a coach, like you go, you go to the practices, 348 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: you go to the games, but the ultimate goal is 349 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: I want to be on that floor one day. You 350 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: see see what that's like, and you know, we have 351 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: the opportunity to do that. And one of those memories 352 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: that last forever. 353 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: The other side too, was jeanov was amazing that right? 354 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: Uh and you had beaten them earlier in the year. 355 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I I. 356 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: You know, But how do you how do you? 357 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: How do you in the moment, you know, not lose 358 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: your mind because you did make the final four, right 359 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: like you get beat by forty four. But on the 360 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: other hand, there's so much good. What's like the juxtaposition 361 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: of emotions, what's that? 362 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: Well, what's that like? 363 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: I think no one could have handled that better than 364 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: coach Krueger and the way he came into the locker 365 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: room after the game even at halftime. It was he 366 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: was down twenty at halftime, and no one thought the 367 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: game was over because we came back out we cut 368 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: it to nine and thought had some But it's one 369 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: of those nights, man. We just didn't make a shot, 370 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: the shots that we had been making a week before 371 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: in Anaheim. We couldn't get those shots. Then, of course 372 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: Villanora made everything, and on top of it, we beat 373 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: them pretty convincingly in December in Hawaii, and we beat 374 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: them pretty bad. I mean, we was up twenty eight 375 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: at one time on them, and I think that helped 376 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: them a little bit, get a little more focused. And 377 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 3: it was a tough one. It was a tough one 378 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 3: to sit down there and watch that thing transpiring in 379 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: front of all those people. But in hindsight, you made 380 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: it to the biggest stage and a lot of teams 381 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: would love to trade places with you. And I hated 382 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: for those guys to have to go out that way, 383 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: but they had a fantastic career at Oklahoma. And to 384 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: this day, Buddy says he's never watched the. 385 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: Game shot what was leaving Oklahoma like. 386 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 3: It was time? It was time. I had been there 387 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 3: eight years, and uh, I interviewed probably seven times for 388 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: head coaching jobs in the last probably two three years, 389 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: and never could get a shot. And I just felt 390 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: like it was time for me to leave. It was time. 391 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 3: I've done all I could do here and coaches coach 392 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 3: was great. I just thought that it was time for 393 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: me to move on and do something different or be 394 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: around someone else to learn something different about basketball. So 395 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: I made the jump to Arkansas with Eric Musselming. 396 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: And I've had Eric on I've known Eric a long time. 397 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: He is there are no two more different people in 398 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: terms of energy like he make he can make coffee 399 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: nervous with his level of energy. 400 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 2: What what is that? What's that like for you to 401 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: go to. 402 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: Work where it's so different in terms of your boss 403 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: than the guy you worked for for eight years? 404 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: You know what I tell people all the time that 405 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: it was fun. Because I say this, I've been really 406 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: blessed to be around the people that I've worked for, 407 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: from lou Henson to Neil Doherty to Scott Sudden to 408 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 3: Lawn they all had that same personality, you know. They 409 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: was all kind of laid back, mild mannered, not yellow streamers, 410 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: good people. And then I go to work for Eric, 411 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: who is high energy, high obtained. I mean he's impulsed, 412 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 3: and uh, it was just quite it was quite different. 413 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: It was quite different. But he's he's he's unbelievable in 414 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: his game prep. He's unbelievable in practices and the way 415 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: he run a practice. And I still use some of 416 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: the stuff that he I learned under him today with 417 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 3: my program here at OMAH like like some of I mean, 418 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: it's unbelievable me. I've kept practice schedules. I got him 419 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: in my desk right here. Like he's he's good. He's 420 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: a good coach, and I knew he was going to 421 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 3: be successful when we won twenty games that first year 422 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: with some talent, but not a lot compared to what 423 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 3: people had in the SEC. 424 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: Sure, what was the like what was coaching in the 425 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: STC Like it's very different for the Big twelve, very 426 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: different from you know, when you're in the Pac twelve later. 427 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: Oh, I tell people all the time, like the athletes 428 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: they're bigger, faster, jump higher, and they're not as skilled 429 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: as guys in the Big twelve. But the athleticism was 430 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 3: off the charts. I mean everyone had seven eight big 431 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 3: time athletes and that's what's the difference. And the teams 432 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: that had the really good guards though, those are teams 433 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 3: that won, you know that, Kentucky's, those are teams that 434 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 3: did well in the tournament. 435 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: Then you made the decision, Hey, I'm gonna I want 436 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: to coach my own team, our own program. 437 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: And it was. 438 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: Back to do what was what's that? Because there was 439 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people like, what are you What are 440 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: you doing? 441 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: Man? Oh yeah, what are you doing? 442 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Oh yeah. And that was one of those 443 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: coming to Jesus moments and when you sat down with 444 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: your with your wife and say, hey, we got a chance. 445 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 3: And it's funny it was it was after COVID. COVID 446 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: was just coming into play, right, right, I had no 447 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 3: idea what college basketball was going to be like the 448 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: next year, right because we shut down in the conference 449 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: tournament in Nashville, Tennessee. We beat Vanderbilt. The next day, 450 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: We're getting ready to play South Carolina. Boom shut down, 451 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: and I had no idea what was going to happen. Like, 452 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: we couldn't go on the road recruiting in the spring. 453 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: In the summer, so I mean my boys was home 454 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 3: with me, uh they both one was in junior college 455 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: when one was at Stetson down in Florida, and they 456 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 3: was home with. 457 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: Us for the four months playing for Corey. 458 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, sure did. And so I was like, no, 459 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 3: I missed I missed your kids being around because they 460 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 3: had been gone with empty nesters. And I say, you 461 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 3: know what, I put all this time into other people's kids. 462 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 3: I need to coach my mom. And we decided to 463 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: take a huge pay cut and moved to Ada, Oklahoma, 464 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: and our boys came down there with us and we 465 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: coached them. And that was the best year I'm telling you, Doug, 466 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: I had. I had so much fun and it was 467 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: great to be aby take a back seat to all 468 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: the riff raff of powerful basketball and really really coach 469 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: and be involved with my guys. And we still couldn't 470 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 3: go recruiting back then, so I was home every day, 471 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: I mean every Saturday, the kids would come over, we 472 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: would watch football, we eat Sunday dinners together, and it 473 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 3: had been a long time since we'd done that. And 474 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 3: you know, you know how important that it is with family, 475 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: especially once they're gone then they come back. You really 476 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: missed that. I thought that was a crucial time for 477 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: me in my basketball career just to be able to 478 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: take that time. It's kind of like a sabbatical almost 479 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: because it was all basketball. It was all basketball and 480 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 3: all family, and it gave me a great work life 481 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 3: balance and I really enjoyed that year. 482 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: But joined it for a year, all right, it was 483 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: it was it was literally a year sabbatical. Then you 484 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: go work for Dana. Ye who's that's kind of back 485 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: to the what you're used to, right, He's an all 486 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: all time, all time are great dude, and all things 487 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: kind of circling around. 488 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: Omaha, How the how did the Dana job coming? Stubbs? 489 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: I was sure, I'm sure set you up there, right, 490 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: no doubt. 491 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: Stubbs and Coach Kruger, you know, they go back. Dana 492 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 3: worked for Line A K State and been connected for years, 493 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: and then then Stubbs was with Dana for you know, 494 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: eleven years. So we've been all in the same family, 495 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: you know, since I've been with Coach Kruger forever. Me 496 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 3: and Stuffs played here together, so we've been best friends 497 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: since I hosted him on his official visit, so that's here. 498 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: So we've been friends for a long time. So when 499 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: he called, I didn't I said no. I said no, 500 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: And I was like, Dana, I can't. I can't do 501 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: that right now my kids going into their senior year. 502 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: I told him I was going to coach him. And 503 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: then Coach Krueger called and said, Crutch, you've been you've 504 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: been busting your butt trying to be a Division one 505 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: head coach. You think you're going to get the Vision 506 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: one job from from East Central. He was honest, and 507 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: he was brutally honest with me, and I said, you're right, coach, 508 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: you got a point there. So I thought about it 509 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: for a couple of days and went home and talked 510 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: to the family and you know, shed some tears and 511 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: talked about it the morning the more and end up, 512 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: end up, it worked out me making the move to Oregon. Uh, 513 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 3: just because if I don't make that move, Doug, I 514 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: don't get this job here no more? 515 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: What what? What? What? What's your biggest takeaway from working 516 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 2: for Dan Alban? 517 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 3: It was different. It was different the way he ran 518 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: his practices. He was the only one that had to 519 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: practice sheep. 520 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he does all that's his baby, right, yeah. 521 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 3: And it would be like on a little note card 522 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: like this running back and uh, okay, you get to 523 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: see it. Every now and then he'll show it to 524 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: you and say, go down, go down and take that 525 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: group and go do this, this and this and uh. 526 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 3: He would run the whole practices and it was fun. 527 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: It was energetic, and he was He's smart and count 528 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: remind you a little bit of Coach Kruger a little bit. 529 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 3: But he was big on defense and he would get 530 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: down in the stands and do defensive slides with the 531 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: guys and Uh. I really enjoyed it to the point where, 532 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: you know, like it was har art. If it wasn't 533 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 3: for a head coaching job, I'll probably still be at 534 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: organ right now. 535 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: The U n O job comes open. You're a lum, 536 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: you'd be looking for head coaching job. 537 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Give share with me the memories, if you will 538 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: how it came to be. 539 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember where you were when you found out 540 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: when they told you it's coming open. 541 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was in my office and they walked in, 542 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: and you know, he had had a conversation with his 543 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: former boss, Bruce Ratbinson, and uh he said, I think 544 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 3: I think you and O is gonna make a move. 545 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 3: The new ad came from creating worked for Bruce, and 546 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna make a change here the next 547 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: day or so, but you have interest in the job myself, 548 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: of course I want the job. Well, I didn't hesitate 549 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: one minute. I said I want the job. And I 550 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 3: mean two days ago, by it, three days ago, by 551 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 3: nothing happens. Right, I'm like, oh, maybe ain't gonna come open. 552 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 3: I left it alone, and that Sunday night it came 553 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: open and Dana called and he said, well, I don't 554 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen, but you're gonna be one of 555 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: two or three guys that they're gonna talk to. And 556 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: when he said that, I didn't think I had a change, 557 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: because you know, I knew there was a couple of 558 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: guys at Creighton that had ties to the A D 559 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: that probably had a better chance of getting a job 560 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: than me. Then, to be honest with you, Dana went 561 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: to work for me. I mean he fled out, went 562 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: to work. He called some people here in omahall he's 563 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 3: got some things moving, and yeah, we was in the 564 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: conference tournament, and we zoomed. We had a zoom interview 565 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: and uh two days later they flew to uh Portland 566 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 3: to see me. And that's how it happened. 567 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: Did the president give you two hours to go home 568 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: and get a student and take a job like he 569 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: did at Tyler. 570 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: No. But after after they left and we was on 571 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: our way to the n I T. And I didn't 572 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: know what was going to happen. So it's funny. We 573 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: take off to go to N I T. And we 574 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 3: go play at Utah State and we win. We go 575 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: play at text and M and I'm on the road 576 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 3: when Adrian actually called and said, we want you to 577 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 3: be our next head coach, and we're gonna do a 578 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: press conference here this day. This day, I'm like, oh, man, 579 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: I don't have any I don't have a suit with me. 580 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: I don't have anything with me to do the press conference. 581 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: And I'm on the road right I'm recruiting. Then I'm 582 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: going to College Station for the game. So I had 583 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 3: to call my wife and you know, can you put 584 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: a suit in the mail? Can you ship this stuff 585 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 3: to me? And I go directly from College Station to 586 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: Omar and the rest is history. 587 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: So what's the place like now comparison what it was 588 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: like then? 589 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: Oh, it's totally change. It's totally changed. It's a whole 590 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: new city. And I left her in ninety six ninety six, 591 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 3: and we've been back because her family, my wife is 592 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: from Omaha. Her family is still here and we've been 593 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: back and forth to visit and stuff like that, but 594 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: we haven't lived here since then. And like downtown has changed, 595 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 3: the city has grown out west economically, it's a whole 596 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 3: different city. Brookshire Had the Way has has boomed in 597 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: this city and they call them the Brookshire I Had 598 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: the Way babies. There's so many companies here, it's so much, 599 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 3: so many resources here. The city has changed, This university 600 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: has changed. I mean we've grown to two campses now 601 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 3: instead of one campus. Yeah, we've got an unbelievable facility 602 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 3: that we play in where our guys live and it's 603 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 3: a major entertainment area of Obsarvant and there's hotels, restaurants, bars, 604 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: you name it right there where live and it is 605 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: walking distant from the arena and we're we're we're really close, 606 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 3: Doug from this thing being a really really big time job. 607 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 3: We're practice facility away from this thing being a really 608 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 3: really special place. 609 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: Okay, So at your level, at your level, facilities still 610 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: really important because you know, at the power five level, 611 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: they're like it's just the nil. Just get us the nil, 612 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: right right? What is what is recruiting like in the 613 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: summer League. 614 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think it's really good. It's not 615 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 3: an nil deal. I mean our our our nil will 616 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 3: come down to retention more so than recruiting, because you're 617 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 3: always going to have power fives trying to take your 618 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: best player away. Right, So it's gonna come down. 619 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 2: To how do you manage that? 620 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: You can't. You can't. If you have success and you 621 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 3: have a player that's average fifteen plus points a game, 622 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 3: it's likely that he's going to move. He's going to 623 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 3: go somewhere and uh, and that's okay. You got planned 624 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: for it. You plan for it. You recruit like like 625 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: it's going to happen, and uh, because you know it's 626 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 3: going to happen. 627 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: So you're recruiting out of the portal Huko High School? 628 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: What's your focus? 629 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 3: First? The first year, we went after high school kids 630 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: and we took four junior college kids that had three 631 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 3: years of Eli's ability left. And that was on purpose 632 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: because we want I wanted guys that that wanted to 633 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: be here. I wanted guys that that that I could 634 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: build a culture around, and build a culture with that 635 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 3: wasn't going to leave. And uh, we've been really good 636 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 3: because we flipped the roster. We only got one player 637 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 3: that was on the roster when I took the job. 638 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 3: But we've been able to keep a nucleus of guys. 639 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: Eight guys from last year team, that's what are still 640 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 3: and we plugged in one transfer to high school kids 641 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,479 Speaker 3: and a junior college kid, and that's that's our team 642 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 3: outside of our walk on. So so that eight nucleus 643 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 3: guys that we're bringing back, that's the core of our team. 644 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 3: And they all played quality minutes forts last year. Even 645 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 3: though he wasn't very good, they grew a lot of experience, 646 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 3: and we wanted to take guys that that wasn't going 647 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 3: to be looking down their nose at Omaha or un O. 648 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 3: We wanted guys that was going to be proud of 649 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 3: coming to a place like this to build something special. 650 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 3: And that's why we didn't go to the transfer portal. 651 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 3: We turned down. We turned down. I'm telling you right now, 652 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: we probably turned down five Power five guys the first 653 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 3: year because I didn't think you could really build a 654 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 3: program at this level with transfers right away. 655 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: Who are you most like when you're on the sideline, Like, 656 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: of all the guys you work for, played for, who 657 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: do you saying this. 658 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 2: Is who I'm most like? 659 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 3: Probably line in one way, well, because I'm constantly thinking 660 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 3: what's next. I mean, he's always been a guy that's 661 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 3: always been two or three plays ahead of what's happening. 662 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 3: And uh, And I tried to kind of emulate that 663 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 3: a little bit, because you can't. It's an emotional game, 664 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 3: but you have to have You've got to be in 665 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 3: control of emotions all the time. If not, you can't think. 666 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of things going on around you. 667 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 3: If you get caught up in the emotions of the 668 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 3: game or what's going on, you'll lose track and then 669 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: then you lose, and you'll lose four possessions and I 670 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 3: won't even know it. So I try to stay mild. 671 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,359 Speaker 3: I try to stay real, real low key. I don't 672 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,240 Speaker 3: get too high, don't get too low. And I'm always 673 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 3: thinking about what's next. You know, what's next offensive, what 674 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 3: next defense, what's next? Substance? Us Like, I'm always two 675 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 3: minutes ahead of what the clock says. 676 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: Who's the guy in your league that you're like, you 677 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: know what this guy's really good, and I wish more 678 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: people knew how good he was. I don't take my players, 679 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: but he's really really good in our league. 680 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been some good ones. 681 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: Now. 682 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 3: I thought Paul Mills is pretty good. He's gone. 683 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: Yea. 684 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 3: Eric Henderson is really good. That's South Dakota State. Uh, 685 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 3: got a lot of respect for David Richmond and North 686 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,839 Speaker 3: Dakota State. All those guys do a really good job 687 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 3: in their locations. Oh, that's probably it is there. 688 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: Any way, you guys can get the tournament out of 689 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: the out of the Dakotas, right, Everybody at least. 690 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,399 Speaker 2: Like many like we got to go up and win 691 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: a tournament in Dakota's. 692 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. A lot of a lot 693 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 3: of people talking about that in the last couple of 694 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 3: couple of months. And h it's funny. Uh, twenty twenty six, 695 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: it is open. We'll be it, so we'll see what 696 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 3: happens yet to know. 697 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: Ma, all right, last thing, who's the Chris cutch Field 698 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: out there, the longtime assistant that man, This dude needs 699 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: a shot right right. This may not be your ultimate shot, 700 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: but it's your first division one head coaching job. 701 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: Who's the guy who you've been out in the road with, 702 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: you know, is really good. Great dude, But man, this 703 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 2: guy's got to get a head coach. 704 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 3: That's a good one. That's a really good question right there. 705 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 3: I'll give you probably two or three names. Okay, give 706 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 3: me a wye for each of the Okay, one will 707 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 3: be Yah Fat King. Who's that Tulsa right now. He's 708 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: been at the low mid major levels, mid plus experience, 709 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 3: living in some major cities, got some recruiting contacts, worked 710 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 3: for some really good guys, Tim Jenkovich, people like that. Uh, 711 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 3: he's one Power five job away from from being a 712 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 3: Division one head coach. James One Okay, Emanual Dildy, who 713 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 3: I had an opportunity to coach at New Mexico State, 714 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 3: and he's been the same. He's bounced around from place 715 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 3: to place, Eastern Illinois, Northwestern, spent some time in Oklahoma, 716 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 3: and now he's at Duke. H he's going to get 717 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 3: the head coaching job here in two or three years. Okay, 718 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 3: got ties in Chica. Great recruited, great personality experience. The 719 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 3: last one I would say this Chris Carwell at Duke. 720 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 3: You remember Chris as a player, sure, of course. Uh, 721 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 3: he's got experience. I think he's been around, but spend 722 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 3: some time in Marquette. Now he's that duke. Uh, experienced, 723 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 3: well minded guy, understands basketball, gat recruiton ties all across 724 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 3: the country. Uh and he's a duke guy. Uh so 725 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 3: he's he's another guy that's that I think is ready. 726 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: Those dookies, I don't think they're gonna need help. They 727 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: need the help, dookies, they don't. 728 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 3: They don't. 729 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: They're all on TV in the n b A doing 730 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: doing what I want you that Duke family, You're you're 731 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: in a really good place. 732 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 2: Your favorite part about the job as well. 733 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 3: Me here or just coaching? 734 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah no, right here? Well either well. 735 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 3: I think in a place like this, Doug, when you 736 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 3: when you this is your school, the amount of pride 737 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 3: and the amount of ownership that you have as a 738 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 3: head coach to try to build something because because when 739 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 3: you build it and you go to the NSA Tournament, 740 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 3: it's going to be the first. And that's what I'm 741 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 3: excited about every morning I wake up. I'm excited about 742 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 3: that process, Like we're going to build something special that 743 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 3: everybody's going to remember that day on all name is 744 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 3: called on selection Sunday, and that's the ultimate goal and 745 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 3: that's what excited is all. 746 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 2: Hey, man, it's great to catch up. 747 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: I know you're super busy, but your story is an 748 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: awesome one and you're somebody who everybody who brubs shoulders 749 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: with you just feels better because of it. So I 750 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: always need it to catch up and I appreciate you 751 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: joining me. 752 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Man, it's been fun. Hanging 753 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 3: out with you for a couple of hours. Seemed like 754 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 3: a right. 755 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 2: We'll talk soon, all right, buddy, that's it for all ball. 756 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: Remember to check out The Doug Gottlieb Show. It's a 757 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: radio show but also available podcast form where you download 758 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: this podcast or wherever you download podcasts on the iHeart 759 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: Radio app, and of course you can listen to it 760 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: live on Fox. 761 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 2: Sports Trader or Fox sport Trade dot com. 762 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: Or the Iheartio app daily three to five Eastern time. 763 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: And we also have a daily pod called in the Bonus. 764 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: There's lots of different stuff that I can annoy you with. 765 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: My overall sports takes. My thanks to Chris scrutching up 766 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: for all of this time. Thanks to you for listening, downloading, 767 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: and reviewing. 768 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 2: Rating. I'm Doug Gottlie, this is all ball.