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Speaker 1: Back of the show. Bryan Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike simber vv also Wrestling Observer dot com. You seased,
Speaker 1: have not pleased? I was just watching Rick Flair in
Speaker 1: the diner. Oh God, did you guys watch this m
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. So something happened, something happened to diner. I guess, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, some some guy who's in the bathroom too long,
Speaker 1: and Flair got mad. And then there's the footage of
Speaker 1: Flair cutting a promo on this guy that works there,
Speaker 1: and he is cutting a promo like he's cutting a promo.
Speaker 1: He wants the guy to, you know, come around on
Speaker 1: the other side. I guess to fight. He's you know, Flair,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't there, but he appears drunk. The lady there
Speaker 1: says he's cut off and uh. And then like at
Speaker 1: the end, he's yelling to this guy and uh, he's
Speaker 1: called him very very bad names I can't say here
Speaker 1: on the air, a Richard Head among things, and then
Speaker 1: and then a lady and then he gets he gets
Speaker 1: accused of cousin goes, I think, cuss, like you just did,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And then he keeps going
Speaker 1: on and on and uh. And finally this other guy
Speaker 1: sitting at the bar two people down from Flair, because
Speaker 1: Flair tells again, want you step outside? Guy goes, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna steping outside and so a guy, two guys two doors, uh,
Speaker 1: two dudes down from Flair. He's next to him with
Speaker 1: the bar. He goes, you want to step outside with me?
Speaker 1: I don't work here, I don't care, and Flair says,
Speaker 1: what what did you say? Guy goes, are you deaf?
Speaker 1: And then they start going at it. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what is going on? So anyway, he got
Speaker 1: booted out, then he got mad, and then it was
Speaker 1: all over the media and the update here today. I
Speaker 1: guess Flair wants to buy the restaurant. He claims that'll
Speaker 1: solve the problem. He was involved in an incident with
Speaker 1: staff at the Paisanos location in Gainesville, Florida, over the weekend.
Speaker 1: He posted a veta to social media. Actually was a
Speaker 1: post saying he had been asked to leave the restaurant
Speaker 1: following an altercation with the kitchen manager in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Footage of Flair berating the restaurant's manager leaked online yesterday,
Speaker 1: but does not show the altercation between him and the
Speaker 1: kitchen manager. Flair says the kitchen manager approached him in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Flair said, I'm like, I don't shake hands
Speaker 1: or take photos and bathrooms. After this Flair said the
Speaker 1: kitchen manager went to a restroom stall and was texting
Speaker 1: away minutes later, not allowed to text, and Flair's social
Speaker 1: media posted by the incident on Sunday. He said he
Speaker 1: took issue with the kitchen manager taking too long in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and then another staff employee approached him after
Speaker 1: he left the washroom called him a creep and a
Speaker 1: peeping tom. He said, you tell me someone in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four called him a peeping tom. Not going to
Speaker 1: tolerate that, and you wouldn't neither. Flair said, that's a
Speaker 1: pretty offensive remark. I'll be honest with you. I was
Speaker 1: angry because I didn't do anything wrong. It's my word
Speaker 1: against the kitchen employee. It makes no sense. I admit
Speaker 1: to everything I said. I have no problem with him
Speaker 1: because I was mad. And yes, he tried to tip
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars to uh the lady there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if she was a server or or whatever. But
Speaker 1: then they had the issue with the guy that wanted
Speaker 1: to call him out. So where did everybody watch this?
Speaker 1: I watched on TikTok where everybody else see it?
Speaker 3: Well, it was probably the same TikTok footage that got
Speaker 3: uploaded to x and all these other social media places.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure most people probably either saw it on
Speaker 3: the gram or saw it on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I asked was, you know wherever you
Speaker 1: saw it, everybody? I mean, did you get the one
Speaker 1: with the subtitles?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, yeah, which were not what was that accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He called the guy an Egyptian?
Speaker 3: Well ai, you know yeah, it's uh yeah, well.
Speaker 1: I hate those those uh those subtitles because you read
Speaker 1: the subtitles and like they're so wrong. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: he says something else and you're like, he called them
Speaker 1: an Egyptian?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: Anyway? Flair says, I got the money to buy the restaurant.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be called Rick Flair's Italian Bistro.
Speaker 3: Who's gonna borrow it from?
Speaker 1: Oh he's got the money, Mike, Oh he does. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is he paying his taxes this time?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but that's what he says.
Speaker 1: I bet he's not buying the restaurants.
Speaker 3: He says a lot of things, including a lot of lies,
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, sad, Yeah, that was a pretty depressing situation.
Speaker 3: Seventy five year old man, Yeah, that could be for somebody.
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, he's.
Speaker 1: Lucky that guy didn't take up his offer to go outside.
Speaker 1: That could have been bad.
Speaker 3: Somebody's great grandparent right there drunk at the bar and.
Speaker 1: At Paisanos, at a pizza place in Gainesville, Florida, probably
Speaker 1: near the campus of the University of Florida.
Speaker 3: Because Rick Flair probably still thinks that he can pick
Speaker 3: up twenty year old chicks because whoo, he's Ric Flair.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. And you know, when they were hyping up
Speaker 3: Rick Flair's last match, all I could think of, if
Speaker 3: you haven't heard it, go listen to Charles Mingus The Clown,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of parallels there with Rick Flair,
Speaker 3: his life and where it's gonna ultimately end up.
Speaker 1: I'm just reading the chat here is everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: figure out who would have won in a real fight
Speaker 1: between Flair and that guy at the bar. The guy
Speaker 1: at the bar, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Now Rick Clair talks. Remember that if he wanted to
Speaker 3: fight so bad, he could have took the dude who
Speaker 3: called him out to go outside. But he didn't. Because
Speaker 3: this was all performance art from a very sad seventy
Speaker 3: five year old alcoholic man.
Speaker 1: Supports said to give him some chops and some souplexes,
Speaker 1: and this guy goes. Nowadays everyone knows how to reverse
Speaker 1: the figure four. That is a good point. It's true,
Speaker 1: that is a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I wasn't even to start with, man, but I
Speaker 1: literally was watching it again as we we started the show.
Speaker 1: Who's the first man reversed the figure four?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Who says? At least he was?
Speaker 1: I think the Druid in that white WF video that
Speaker 1: we played during.
Speaker 3: The break, magnificent Don Morocco. He wasn't the first one,
Speaker 3: but he always loved bragging about that.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know who's magnificent figure four? You know who
Speaker 1: was magnificent is Don Morocco.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: I've been watching this guy and knows uh I got started.
Speaker 1: I got started watching wrestling a little after this Don
Speaker 1: Morocco period. But man, I swear to God him and
Speaker 1: uh him and the cowboy Bob Orton. Yes, maybe the
Speaker 1: best team going today. Absolutely, maybe be the best team
Speaker 1: on raw, most charismatic. He'd be in the top as
Speaker 1: far as best promos and the Observer Awards.
Speaker 3: He'd be in the Hall of Fame. He's in my
Speaker 3: personal Hall of Fame. He's one of those guys like
Speaker 3: Mass Superstar, Demolition Acts, Bill Eedi and uh Mister Olympia,
Speaker 3: Jerry Stubbs and Magnificent Morocco. Guys like that that you
Speaker 3: know they're right there or towards the top tier. But
Speaker 3: you couldn't have had a lot of those top guys
Speaker 3: without him. I mean, he made Bob Backland towards the
Speaker 3: end of his run. He made it entertaining. His feud
Speaker 3: with Jimmy Snooker was the biggest thing in the company.
Speaker 3: And man could Don Morocco cut a promo back then,
Speaker 3: you would never believe it. And you'd never believe he
Speaker 3: could wrestle either, because you're getting the rock version of
Speaker 3: Don Morocco. Who was How much do you think he weighed? Oh?
Speaker 1: He was large, he was He was enormous.
Speaker 3: All muscle.
Speaker 1: Now, I bring up WWF Challenge from nineteen eighty six
Speaker 1: because it brings me to this next story. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 3: Is it awesome?
Speaker 1: How will I tie it in? Well, you'll see all right,
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan is not stepping inside a wrestling ring anytime soon.
Speaker 3: Not a good start.
Speaker 1: Connor rejected the idea of rustling a match following his
Speaker 1: on camera angle last month with the Elite, The Young
Speaker 1: Bucks will be running aw themselves on the road. In storyline,
Speaker 1: he said, aw is we're the best wrestling We mean that.
Speaker 1: In this case, I'm not the best person to pay
Speaker 1: those people back. There's a lot of things I'm good
Speaker 1: at behind the scenes, but somebody else is gonna have
Speaker 1: to avenge what those guys did, not only to me,
Speaker 1: but to Kenny Omega. I'm quite sure there's some capable wrestlers,
Speaker 1: more capable wrestlers than I am, most of them, and
Speaker 1: then I can inflict some kind of punishment on the
Speaker 1: Young Bucks, Jack Perry and Ocada the Elite after what
Speaker 1: happened to me last time, I don't think I'd be
Speaker 1: making a smart move trying that, he added, And I
Speaker 1: bring the because I just watched that WWF Challenge where
Speaker 1: we saw the final match. The retirement literally for a
Speaker 1: long time. He actually eventually did come back by the
Speaker 1: retirement of Captain Lou Albano, which was the most bizarre thing.
Speaker 1: Like I will talk about the retirement of Lou Albano
Speaker 1: very quickly after the break. If you guys haven't been
Speaker 1: listening to the Brian of any show, but it was
Speaker 1: the wackiest thing I've ever seen. So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that after the break. Saudi Arabia n XT and then
Speaker 1: Rocky Romera is coming on back in a moment, it
Speaker 1: was her life.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: So these WWE Challenge shows, WWF Challenge from eighty six.
Speaker 1: We're on episode eleven right now, and you know, the
Speaker 1: first first half dozen episodes just you know, matches, nostalgia,
Speaker 1: squash matches, you know, wrestler's rebuttal, snake pit, so whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, and then all of a sudden, like two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, just randomly, totally randomly, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the show last week, actually Bobby Heaton goes, I got
Speaker 1: a scoop for y'all. Captain Loue Albano is gonna come
Speaker 1: on here later on and he's gonna tell you he's retire,
Speaker 1: he's leaving the business. And Grulham on soon. The babyface
Speaker 1: commentator is like, what are you talking about? You're such
Speaker 1: a gimmick, blah blah, blah and so you know, they
Speaker 1: go to commercial and they come back, and they come
Speaker 1: back and girl has totally changed his tune. He goes,
Speaker 1: looks like we're about to hear from Captain Loue Albano,
Speaker 1: who appears to be leaving the wrestling business. And they
Speaker 1: go to Captain Lou and just like out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: Captain Lou goes, next week, we're gonna have a six
Speaker 1: man and I'm done. I'm retiring. I'm retiring as a
Speaker 1: wrestler and a manager and I'm having a hand over
Speaker 1: my duties to Matilda. And they just cut away and
Speaker 1: I went, what what.
Speaker 3: That's the way you extinguished the guiding Light?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Like this is Lou Albano, you know,
Speaker 1: a year after the Rock and Rustling connection, huge gigantic star,
Speaker 1: and they're like, he's just gonna, you know, like retire
Speaker 1: next week. Okay, what's what's the gimmick? So it's no gimmick.
Speaker 1: The next week they just did a six man and uh,
Speaker 1: and he lost and he was gone. He didn't come
Speaker 1: back for like six years. He came back as like
Speaker 1: a manager or whatever and then just appeared again.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 1: That was the end of his career. That was the
Speaker 1: craziest end to a career I've ever seen. And the
Speaker 1: point is, they do this match and he's teaming with
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs and he's face and uh it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But the point is, uh, they they everyone else does
Speaker 1: all the work. He stands on the apron of the
Speaker 1: entire time Bulldogs hit the big move it was. It
Speaker 1: was beefcake and it was the Beefer Beefer and Valentine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he just you know, they take him and he
Speaker 1: goes and he gets a pin. That's it. He doesn't
Speaker 1: do any he doesn't take a bump, he doesn't sell,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything. He just goes in there, covers
Speaker 1: and gets the wind and then he celebrates and then
Speaker 1: they go backstage and they you know, shoot alcohol over him,
Speaker 1: try and drown him head and that's it. That was
Speaker 1: the end. The way way. The point is like if
Speaker 1: if we found out tomorrow, if we found out tomorrow,
Speaker 1: if suddenly word broke out that you know, wb D
Speaker 1: hired Jamie Kellner and he's like it's over, I'm canceling. Aw,
Speaker 1: it's done, and like the company which is like going
Speaker 1: out of business, Well that should be the main event
Speaker 1: of the final show. It should be Tony Kahn, Kenny
Speaker 1: Omega and some other babyface against uh, you know, Jack
Speaker 1: Perry and the Young Bucks and and hangman Kenny Omega
Speaker 1: do all the work. They beat up those young Bucks.
Speaker 1: They ain't the v trigger and the Buckshot Daggan, Tony
Speaker 1: he covers gets the pin. Everybody celebrates a spray liquor
Speaker 1: and the thing's over, it's done. That would be a
Speaker 1: fitting ending. But if they don't do that, he should
Speaker 1: never wrestle mad idea.
Speaker 3: As long as he don start blating himself like Lou,
Speaker 3: everything will be okay. You know, it's amazing. Lou was
Speaker 3: going to have a job for the rest of his
Speaker 3: life like Gorilla Monsoon and Arnold Scoland and Phil Zacho
Speaker 3: and those guys. When Vince bought the company from his father,
Speaker 3: Captain Lou was gonna be one of those guys. And
Speaker 3: apparently from all of the stories, Captain Lou would get
Speaker 3: fired every couple of weeks and Bruno would like, you know,
Speaker 3: because Lou would do something drunk and piss people off,
Speaker 3: piss off Vince McMahon senior, some other people, and then
Speaker 3: he'd always come back into the fold again, but he left.
Speaker 3: And look, one of the reasons I think it was
Speaker 3: so unceremonious was the fact that Lou had a lot
Speaker 3: of outside activities that he did. Not only did he
Speaker 3: work with Cyndi Lauper when he came to rock and wrestling,
Speaker 3: but there was a whole multiple sclerosis connection that he
Speaker 3: continued to advocate for for the rest of his career.
Speaker 3: He ended up doing the Super Mario Brothers TV show
Speaker 3: and a whole bunch of other things after that, So
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of that played into it.
Speaker 1: So I mentioned a couple of things about a tea
Speaker 1: as everyone is well aware, if you want the full report,
Speaker 1: you have to go to uh the Bran and Vinie
Speaker 1: Show on Thursday night.
Speaker 3: Oh they're gonna be and charts and breakdown.
Speaker 1: No, but I got two things I got to talk about.
Speaker 1: So you know, we talked about that worked combine and
Speaker 1: and you know, they didn't do the Combine live. What
Speaker 1: they said was now Combine was this weekend, here's clips,
Speaker 1: and so they showed just select clips, so you couldn't
Speaker 1: you couldn't really compare anybody to anybody else, and so
Speaker 1: it was very easy to work it basically.
Speaker 3: That's not true. Dia Hill makes the funniest face out
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: She does, she does. But you know, they they they
Speaker 1: showed three different clips people pushing this led people throwing
Speaker 1: the ball, and you know they're explaining that, you know, surprisingly,
Speaker 1: they they claim that they had this gimmick where it's
Speaker 1: like a rotational drill where you you violently rotate with
Speaker 1: a punch or something like that. And they said, uh,
Speaker 1: surprisingly mee Chin came in first. Hence why she is
Speaker 1: part of the os on SmackDown or something like that.
Speaker 3: You get a question her punch?
Speaker 1: Yes, are you kidding me? So they have the top
Speaker 1: twelve finishers. Okay, right now, listen, I want to make
Speaker 1: it clear. I don't care. Okay, it's a work. The
Speaker 1: storyline was we're gonna do a women's combine. The top
Speaker 1: twelve finishers will get seated into this tournament to go
Speaker 1: on to the ladder match at whatever to become the
Speaker 1: first NXT North American women's champion. So they make the
Speaker 1: list of the top twelve finishers and I'm reading this
Speaker 1: list and it's like who wrote this bill? After? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what they had for the top twelve. Are
Speaker 1: you ready for this.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: And this, by the way, is not just the time,
Speaker 1: This is in order. Okay, if like they're pretending they
Speaker 1: had to shoot combine with all sorts of different crazy power, strength, speed.
Speaker 1: And these are the top twelve finishers in order.
Speaker 3: But are we taking it top to bottom or from
Speaker 3: bottom top to bottom?
Speaker 1: No? Number one, number twelve, okay, all right, Number one
Speaker 1: soul Ruka, followed by THEA Hale, Jada Parker, Brinley Reese,
Speaker 1: Meetchen Fallon, Henley, Lash Legend, Ivy Nile, what is he?
Speaker 1: Dame Klannie, Jordan, Tatum, Paxley, and Ren Sinclair. I have
Speaker 1: nothing against any of these individuals, but the reality is, okay,
Speaker 1: this is real life. For some reason, Honiley started saying
Speaker 1: that it for She'll say, for real life, Dad, Okay,
Speaker 1: for real life.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: A mechen is a world's better worker than a lot
Speaker 1: of these other women. But this is a combine.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 1: These are nil athletes. These are high level young college athletes.
Speaker 1: And you're telling me, yeah, it is ages because I'm
Speaker 1: freaking old, and I know what happens when you get older.
Speaker 1: You ain't winning a combine at my age. You just
Speaker 1: aren't she's Okay, I know she's not. But the point
Speaker 1: is we're talking about people in nineteen twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: years old here. Okay, I know how in God's name,
Speaker 1: like lash Legend, they're telling me that lash Legend finished seventh. Okay, stop,
Speaker 1: lash Legend would have finished one, two and three if
Speaker 1: you would have done this combine not seven. Ridiculous. These
Speaker 1: are animals. Renson Claire's owt here Rensinclaire. Her name is
Speaker 1: literally she's a bird wren. She's finishing twelfth. It's impossible.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the other thing I got to talk about
Speaker 1: NXT is one of those shows that I love and
Speaker 1: they try so hard to make me hate it. I
Speaker 1: mean they tried so hard sometimes. Oh my god, Pro
Speaker 1: Wrestling University Brian. The segment that they did, let me
Speaker 1: see if I can which which one, well, I mean
Speaker 1: there were a lot of them. If I have to
Speaker 1: mention one more time that they do not and refuse
Speaker 1: to identify Tyson dumont A DuPont and Tyreek Egway, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean it has to be done to irritate me.
Speaker 1: It has to be like they literally did a backstage
Speaker 1: segment early in the show with like six teams and
Speaker 1: they didn't identify anybody, and I was like, okay, I
Speaker 1: know they debuted last week. You never told us their
Speaker 1: names until literally they did it one time during the
Speaker 1: ring entrance. It was like that it was gone and
Speaker 1: now we're supposed to remember. Like I was so mad,
Speaker 1: but anyway, it was. It was actually with them. It
Speaker 1: was no quarter of catch crew versus Tyson DuPont and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Egway. As God is my witness and I live
Speaker 1: through t NA in the beginning, I lived through the
Speaker 1: last years of w CW.
Speaker 2: This was.
Speaker 1: Absolutely one of the most infuriating, stupid, horrifically booked segments
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in the history of Earth. And it's
Speaker 1: not any of the wrestler's faults. It's just the fault
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer with Brian Alvarez and
Speaker 2: Mike SIMPERVV on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike
Speaker 1: smber VV also Wrestling Observer dot Com. I'm very happy
Speaker 1: today to be joined by Rocky Romero. We had a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about, Rocky. How you doing.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great. I'm enjoying myself here in Edmonton. Who
Speaker 8: got AW Dynamite tonight live on TBS.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, that's gonna be an expensive call here international.
Speaker 8: I'm not paying for it.
Speaker 1: You to realize I went up there in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight or something like that, and I forgot
Speaker 1: to put my phone on roaming and I got an
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars bill and I was like, what and
Speaker 1: my how times have changed? Now? Times have change?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 1: It's also funny, is Yeah. We talked to you on
Speaker 1: the show last time about how Mike God, how many
Speaker 1: jobs do you have?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: You got to like what's going on? And now you
Speaker 1: have another job. We're working for AW now.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, it's official. You know. I vice president here
Speaker 8: and for show and Talent coordination for AW in New Japan,
Speaker 8: for Wrestling Pretty Wild.
Speaker 1: Wild Times AW New Japan CML. Yeah, still doing any
Speaker 1: indie dates Defy type.
Speaker 8: No, No, there's just no time. Yeah, just no time.
Speaker 8: So fully devoted to the three companies, and I'm extremely
Speaker 8: busy and happy with that. And you know, I love
Speaker 8: doing the Indians. I love going to Defide, but you know,
Speaker 8: there's just not enough time in the schedule anymore for them.
Speaker 1: So we've got Resurgence coming up this coming Saturday.
Speaker 3: Before you go on, yes, where you go on?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because you are not management. You've never been one to
Speaker 3: take any heed of management at all. You've always been
Speaker 3: a rebel. That's why you were in the professional wrestling business.
Speaker 3: Out there on your own, got your own thoughts, wanted
Speaker 3: to do things Rocky. What has this transition been like
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, in a couple of years before
Speaker 3: this with New Japan? What's it like now in this
Speaker 3: day and age, being between talent and being between management,
Speaker 3: especially when you have to deal with international management, right right?
Speaker 8: You know, it's you know it has the challenges and
Speaker 8: you know it has its rewards for sure. You know,
Speaker 8: you know both. You know it's it's definitely a tough
Speaker 8: job and uh, it's it's pretty demanding and to be honest,
Speaker 8: it's a twenty four to seven job. But but you
Speaker 8: know I do. I do a good the best that
Speaker 8: I can, and you know, I try to, you know,
Speaker 8: always be in the corner for talent, and you know,
Speaker 8: because I understand what it's like to be on that
Speaker 8: side and how difficult it is to be professional wrestlering
Speaker 8: this day and age, and how demanding it is and
Speaker 8: the stress that comes along with it. But you know,
Speaker 8: I also do understand where management's coming from. So you know,
Speaker 8: I try to be as fair as possible and as
Speaker 8: neutral as possible when I can, and you know, I
Speaker 8: try to get the best job that I possibly can't.
Speaker 3: Just don't book Mustafa League against Brian Alvarez, Nobody will
Speaker 3: want to do a job I've heard.
Speaker 8: I debunked that story. That was not that.
Speaker 1: Hey all, he's working this Saturday Resurgence Leo Rush kickoff match.
Speaker 1: When you got a show, Yeah, when you got a
Speaker 1: show where Ali and Leo Rush is a kickoff match,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's quite a show that you've got,
Speaker 1: right There a lot of matches available on pay per
Speaker 1: view on New Japan World. So if you have New
Speaker 1: Japan World, you can't just turn it on and watch it.
Speaker 1: You've got to get the pay per view through New
Speaker 1: Japan World, but it's relatively inexpensive. And you know, these shows,
Speaker 1: these uh, these US New Japan shows. I mean, the
Speaker 1: last several shows have been really excellent shows. And if
Speaker 1: you look at the lineup here, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: hell of a lineup. John Moxley defending the i w
Speaker 1: GP Heavyweight title against a Shooter after beeting Red Narta
Speaker 1: earlier in the week. This guy's this guy's turning into you.
Speaker 1: He's all over the place.
Speaker 8: I know, he's all over the map. I love it.
Speaker 1: YEP. And Eddie King's and Gabe kid No Rope's Last
Speaker 1: Man Standing match, those are the top two matches there.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, how is how are these shows
Speaker 1: doing for uh for New Japan because it seems like
Speaker 1: kind of doing this schedule where you know, every couple
Speaker 1: of months there's a pay per view, a lot of
Speaker 1: big matches. Seems like it seems to be doing well.
Speaker 8: Yeah. No, Wndes City Riot did extremely well, extremely well.
Speaker 8: Is one of our best grossing pay per views and
Speaker 8: obviously attendance wise, it was phenomenal in UH in Chicago
Speaker 8: as well as UH Battle in the Valley did extremely well,
Speaker 8: you know in February and uh, and this one is
Speaker 8: doing great as well in in Ontario. You know, there's
Speaker 8: quite a bit of tickets have already. There's there's still
Speaker 8: some left if you're in the la on you know,
Speaker 8: uh in an Empire area. You know, this is a
Speaker 8: show you're not going to want to miss. The card
Speaker 8: is stacked, Like Brian said, you know, you've got the
Speaker 8: top two matches with Mox and Shooter. You've got Eddie
Speaker 8: versus is Gay Kid for the Strong Openweight Championship. The
Speaker 8: kickoff show is going to be incredible with masaf Ali
Speaker 8: and Leo rush Nito is going to be there, David Finley,
Speaker 8: We've got Keenta on McCard CG. I mean, we've got
Speaker 8: a Strong Women's Championship Stephanie Becker defense against Alex windsor
Speaker 8: who's you know, top standout from Rev Pro in the UK.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just an extremely stacked card. We've got
Speaker 8: the return of Jack Perry along with the House of Torture,
Speaker 8: and you know, we've got a bunch of surprises that
Speaker 8: are definitely going to h to make their way through
Speaker 8: the Ontario area. So I'm just pumped and like you said,
Speaker 8: you can watch it on NJPW World Pity Perview, And yeah,
Speaker 8: I think we're firing and all cylinders here in the US,
Speaker 8: and I just want to keep the momentum going. And
Speaker 8: you know, obviously the relationship with a W and Timo
Speaker 8: has been extremely fruitful, and we've got talent from both
Speaker 8: that are going to be there. And yeah, I feel
Speaker 8: like the shows have really really gotten to the point where,
Speaker 8: you know, I'm really proud of them, and I think
Speaker 8: the fans are digging in what we're doing.
Speaker 1: So you've done the shows in Northern California, Southern California, Chicago. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Chicago seems like a hot market. It seems like I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just the you know, ease of
Speaker 1: getting to Chicago from so many different places or what
Speaker 1: it is, but Chicago always seems to do well really
Speaker 1: for everybody. And you know, his his I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he can't say a lot, But has New Japan
Speaker 1: discussed other areas for running these these shows, maybe further
Speaker 1: up the West coast. West coast obviously easy if people
Speaker 1: are coming from Japan. But is it mostly just like Chicago,
Speaker 1: California at this point?
Speaker 8: Chicago California. We've got DC in August August thirtieth, based Washington, DC,
Speaker 8: which has been a great market for us. You know,
Speaker 8: I've up to go back into the Northeast, you know,
Speaker 8: somewhere like New York. It's just you know, it's tough,
Speaker 8: you know, just the way the world is right now.
Speaker 8: You know, it's really big buildings or extremely small buildings.
Speaker 8: So like a mid sized company for like us, you know,
Speaker 8: it's hard to find a great uh setting and a
Speaker 8: great arena for the for the types of shows that
Speaker 8: we have, so that that's always a challenge, and especially
Speaker 8: you know, just the Mujapan product is just best served
Speaker 8: in areas that are either hotbeds for professional wrestling or
Speaker 8: like that, that kind of bigger market you know. So
Speaker 8: La of course is like our home, so that always
Speaker 8: does well. But yeah, I mean Chicago, I like to
Speaker 8: make a yearly thing. I think that the fans there
Speaker 8: just really love the product, and we need you know,
Speaker 8: we haven't been there enough, you know, I think we've
Speaker 8: only been there twice. So I feel like, uh, that
Speaker 8: needs to be a yearly thing and that we're probably
Speaker 8: going to start looking at next April. Every April can
Speaker 8: do Windy Sery Riot from Chicago.
Speaker 1: You know, there was what I thought was sort of
Speaker 1: an unusual thing. I mean, you could tell me otherwise
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But you know, in New Japan, usually
Speaker 1: if they've got a show coming up, it's like they
Speaker 1: put everything into that show, and then as soon as
Speaker 1: the show's over, then they'll start announcing things for the
Speaker 1: next show, as opposed to you know, we've got all
Speaker 1: these shows here, the lineups, especially for like championship matches.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't want to announce a championship match
Speaker 1: if there's another championship match taking place prior to it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of something they've always done. But it was
Speaker 1: It was interesting because you know, John Moxley was scheduled
Speaker 1: to you know, defend against Shoda, but he also had
Speaker 1: the red to read a match prior and aw managed
Speaker 1: to get a John Moxley Will Hobbs IWGP title match
Speaker 1: on Dynamite. Was that something that was easy to Was
Speaker 1: it just like, yes, New Japan they were like cool
Speaker 1: with it, or were they sort of like, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll do this one time, but this is very unlike
Speaker 1: how we like to do things.
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely not the traditional way of doing things in
Speaker 8: New Japan at all, you know, But when you've got
Speaker 8: a talent like Moxley, who's you know, just a magnetic talent,
Speaker 8: and somebody who you know, his character and his personality is,
Speaker 8: you know, he's the type of guy who's not going
Speaker 8: to back down from anybody or anyone, you know, and
Speaker 8: especially as I do the GP champion, I mean, I
Speaker 8: think he wants to, you know, his reign, to be
Speaker 8: known as the guy who took the challenges when they came,
Speaker 8: you know. So I think it kind of fits overall
Speaker 8: the story and the story of who Moxley is. And
Speaker 8: I know they with some people who were critical, you know,
Speaker 8: of of the i GP title being defended that way.
Speaker 8: But you know, I think that in the end, it
Speaker 8: you know, once the story is all done and it
Speaker 8: all kind of makes sense and work together, I think people,
Speaker 8: you know, they jump the gun kind of quickly instead
Speaker 8: of just sitting back and enjoying, you know and seeing.
Speaker 1: Where of So Moxley obviously is the iw GP Heavyweight Champion.
Speaker 1: He's also working in uh in a w and Eddie
Speaker 1: Kingston working in a W and Ring of Honor, and
Speaker 1: he had three titles and he still has the new
Speaker 1: Japan Strong open weight title, and you know there are others.
Speaker 1: Lance Archer here is on the show, fighting for the
Speaker 1: television title. He's in a w And my question is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I've asked this before, but like Ghetto's largely
Speaker 1: booking all of this, correct, okay, so are you involved
Speaker 1: in any of the booking? Are you mostly the guy
Speaker 1: where he says, Okay, this is what's going on. You know,
Speaker 1: you're going to kind of facilitate it here, but this
Speaker 1: is the idea.
Speaker 8: You know. You know, he's a great guy to work
Speaker 8: with because you know, if I've got an idea and
Speaker 8: you know, and I especially know where we're going to be,
Speaker 8: and and you know the size of the venue and
Speaker 8: what we're going to need, you know, he's pretty open
Speaker 8: to taking ideas and as well as taking ideas from
Speaker 8: you know, AW on how to you know, build the
Speaker 8: relationship and how to get you know, everybody closer together,
Speaker 8: especially when Forbidden Door is you know, June June thirtieth
Speaker 8: and it's just right around the corner, so you know,
Speaker 8: all these storylines, you know, we've all got to be
Speaker 8: on the same page to make it all work. Because
Speaker 8: AW is a weekly, you know, two shows a week
Speaker 8: or three shows a week, and then you know the
Speaker 8: New Japan touring schedule along with their big shows, and
Speaker 8: then you've got the US shows you know, on top
Speaker 8: of that. So it takes a lot of communication, and
Speaker 8: it takes a lot of planning, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's actually my question.
Speaker 8: I mean I think people feel like, you know, sometimes
Speaker 8: things are going together, but a lot of the stuff
Speaker 8: is planned out you know from uh, you know, months
Speaker 8: and months in advance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually my question. I mean, it's one
Speaker 1: thing to book a promotion. You know, Okay, this person's
Speaker 1: going to be in a main event in two months,
Speaker 1: so we want to protect them in this way. We
Speaker 1: want to keep these two people away from each other.
Speaker 1: But you know, especially with Moxley, you know, he's he's
Speaker 1: doing stuff in c he's doing stuff in New Japan,
Speaker 1: he's doing stuff in a w and he does his
Speaker 1: you know, any dates here and there, a lot less
Speaker 1: than before. But I mean, is it is it difficult?
Speaker 1: I mean I know it is, but I mean, how
Speaker 1: difficult is it to shuffle all of these different things,
Speaker 1: with all of these different characters working in multiple promotions.
Speaker 8: I mean it's it's extremely difficult. But but the good
Speaker 8: thing is I think that, you know, this year, we
Speaker 8: started planning a little earlier than we have in the
Speaker 8: platte in the past couple of years. So so I
Speaker 8: think it's been a lot easier in getting everybody on
Speaker 8: the same page and and and uh and knowing where
Speaker 8: we're all going to go, you know. So so like
Speaker 8: I said, you know, a lot of this will we'll
Speaker 8: probably you know, build towards forbidden Doors. So I feel like,
Speaker 8: you know, knowing exactly what's going on going into that
Speaker 8: is extremely helpful. And then you know, from there kind
Speaker 8: of you know, the companies kind of take their own
Speaker 8: routs usually, you know, if you compare with last year
Speaker 8: and the year before, So you know, it's just good
Speaker 8: to know where you're going, especially from Tokyo Dome to
Speaker 8: Forbidden Door, you know, Forbidden Door back to Tokyo. You know,
Speaker 8: that's kind of like the key pieces I think that
Speaker 8: are important.
Speaker 1: Well, very quickly because we got like a minute here
Speaker 1: in a match like Lawler and Rosser versus Darrell Nelson
Speaker 1: and Royce Isaacs where their last match involved eating hair.
Speaker 1: I mean, is this a situation where you know, ghetto
Speaker 1: has an idea, but like they come up with the
Speaker 1: idea of eating hair, I presume that was not worth here.
Speaker 1: You should not be eating hair. Gave if everybody, yes,
Speaker 1: there was, there was hair eating.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 8: That's cool thing about Mujavan is you know there's a
Speaker 8: lot of view way and freedom in in what you
Speaker 8: do when you're out there. So you know, if the
Speaker 8: talent wants to go and eat some hair and shake
Speaker 8: somebody's head, I mean, that's all good to me.
Speaker 1: All right, stand by back them more Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: By the show Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live. Rocky
Speaker 1: Romero joining us Saturday May eleventh. This coming Saturday, nine
Speaker 1: to thirty Eastern. It is the New Japan Resurgence Show.
Speaker 1: John Moxley and Shooter showed Umino for THEWGP Heavyweight Title,
Speaker 1: Eddie Kingston Gabe Kid No Rope Last Man Standing Match,
Speaker 1: Shingo versus U y Ue Mura for the NEVER open
Speaker 1: Weight title. Seventy of a Cure against Alex Windsor New
Speaker 1: Japan Strong Women's title, Jeff Cobb, Lance Archer for the
Speaker 1: television title, Mikey Nichols and Shane Hast against Guerrillas of
Speaker 1: Destiny for these strong tag team titles. Nito Yoda, Suji
Speaker 1: Versus Kenton, David Finley, the hair Eaters, Tom Rosser and
Speaker 1: fred Or Tom Laller and Fred Rosser gives Darrell Nelson
Speaker 1: and Royce Isaacs as well as dk C You Rocky
Speaker 1: Romero and as She versus Jack Perry, Read Narita and
Speaker 1: Evil Jack Perry is back for this show and Musava
Speaker 1: Ali and Leo Rush and Mett Vander Griffin Adrian Quest
Speaker 1: on the kickoff show. So an amazing card, Rocky, And
Speaker 1: how can people watch this show?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can watch the kickoff show on YouTube and
Speaker 8: NJPW World and then the main show will be on
Speaker 8: MJPW World pay per view. It's like nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 8: It's I think you know, for what the card is,
Speaker 8: it's a great price and it's a steal.
Speaker 1: Brother. You take out this Jack Perry, you could get
Speaker 1: a raise.
Speaker 8: I know. That's what I'm hoping. I'm trying. I'm trying
Speaker 8: to run the World Man book.
Speaker 1: At another storyline here on this show, Kie, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for coming on today. We'll do this before the
Speaker 1: next New Japan show. Best of luck with a w
Speaker 1: as well. Do it a lot, keep it.
Speaker 8: Up, appreciate it guys.
Speaker 3: Ye have ade and that's it.
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