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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one Tannis Show.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by Nick Penzoto, the President CEO of

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Speaker 1: the National Deer Lines and we're going to be discussing

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Speaker 1: the North American Deer Summit and the most pressing issues

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Speaker 1: currently facing deer and deer hunting. Welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by sit Kin Gear

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Speaker 1: and as I just mentioned, joining us here shortly is

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Speaker 1: Nick Penzotto of the National Deer Alliance And as of

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Speaker 1: this recording, tomorrow, the two thousand seventeen North American Deer

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Speaker 1: Summit will be kicking off in Austin, Texas, and when

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this, it will have actually just ended.

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Speaker 1: But Nick was kind enough to block off a little

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Speaker 1: bit of time today just before the event kicks off

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Speaker 1: to talk to us about what's going to be covered

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Speaker 1: at this event over the coming days, why this summit

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Speaker 1: is so important, and then we'll dive into some of

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Speaker 1: the most important issues actually facing the deer, counting the

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Speaker 1: deer hunting community right now, excuse me, stuff like the

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Speaker 1: latest on c w D Hunter Access, the Farm, bill Um,

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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. And I feel pretty strongly

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Speaker 1: that as deer hunters and members of this community, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a responsibility each and everr one of us to

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Speaker 1: to be doing at least our very best to stay

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Speaker 1: up to date and what's going on out there when

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Speaker 1: it comes to deer and deer hunting, and when needed,

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Speaker 1: to step up and make sure that our wildlife and

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Speaker 1: wild places and our rights to do this, that those

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Speaker 1: things are taken care of. So with all that said,

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Speaker 1: I think episodes like this are pretty important in helping

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Speaker 1: us all be able to do that, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about this today. So what do you think

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Speaker 1: about that? Dan? I agree? Yeah, dude, I uh. Anything

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Speaker 1: that has to do with spreading a positive message and

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Speaker 1: a good word I'm all for. Right on, So talking

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Speaker 1: about a positive message and the good word, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing today? Do you have a positive message today?

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Speaker 1: I think the the five or ten minute conversation we

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Speaker 1: had on before this before this recording started, We'll let

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Speaker 1: you know that. But you know, out of out of

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Speaker 1: all the days I've lived my life this this day

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Speaker 1: here is not my best day ever. I'll put it

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Speaker 1: to you that way. But I'll tell you what, coming

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Speaker 1: and recording this shines a little light on my day

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Speaker 1: brings me a little positive you know, like positive attitude.

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Speaker 1: Some gives me some well needed good voodoo. I guess

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Speaker 1: you could say, as opposed to all the other. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I've been dealing with so I here. So are you

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Speaker 1: saying that I'm the sunshine in your life? In a way?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to sound like you know, fruitcakey,

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Speaker 1: but you are in a way. Just just I want

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Speaker 1: to hear you say that you're a beacon of hope. Mark,

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Speaker 1: You're a beacon of hope. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just heard I'm not going to say who you

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Speaker 1: were talking to, but I just heard Dan throw down

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Speaker 1: a little bit before we got on this. He goes,

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Speaker 1: you are on my time now, so you're gonna wait.

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Speaker 1: And you were talking to your two year old son

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Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, right right. I had he ate too

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Speaker 1: many popsicles and I had you on my time now.

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Speaker 1: I gotta remember to shut the microphone off before I

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Speaker 1: talked to anybody else outside of the of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: you heard me yell at my dog, and then you

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Speaker 1: heard me yell at somebody else. So that's so funny.

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Speaker 1: The dog was awesome. I do remember that one. That

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Speaker 1: was a right. So what else is new other than

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Speaker 1: a rough day? Oh man, I got a honey do

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Speaker 1: list done for my wife. I saw that on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: That looks good. I'll tell you what. Our back deck

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Speaker 1: d I Y Network, which is bad, you know, because

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Speaker 1: not only was that this, my wife has always been like, hey,

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Speaker 1: It's so hot back there. So I build this little

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Speaker 1: equal one or two extra days those Brownie points in

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Speaker 1: the tree stand this year. That's awesome. You should like

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Speaker 1: keep track of all the different projects and brownie point

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Speaker 1: and things you do, and then what you believe the

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Speaker 1: we're gonna pay you a thousand. So so I could

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Speaker 1: just okay, well, honey, based off all the projects I've

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Speaker 1: And then she turns back said you're going to only

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Speaker 1: get five. Uh. Gotta try that right. Oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: funny life. Just it's a roller coaster. Dude, Just hold on.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the truth. Do you do uh? Do you

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Speaker 1: do any deer stuff lately? You got any progress made

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Speaker 1: other than the honeydew? No? Um, I did. However, you

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Speaker 1: know that gift that I'm talking about. You're gonna get that.

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Speaker 1: You have to open up on the podcast. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be picking that up here pretty soon. Wow,

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Speaker 1: this is like, all right, something you have to pick up, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I gotta pick it up. There is a potential for

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to respond to that. There's

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Speaker 1: also a chance that I'm building this up to a

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Speaker 1: way greater proportion than it deserves to be, Like that

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Speaker 1: one time I built you up like that on an

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Speaker 1: episode in the beginning, and I totally, I totally let

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Speaker 1: you down. And that's my fault. Uh, none of us

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Speaker 1: can be perfect in no, no, but what so I

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Speaker 1: mean on my end, I haven't really done any type

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna like flip the script and I'm gonna ask you,

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Speaker 1: what have you done? I have I have continued continued

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Speaker 1: checking or working through the checklist. Um. The big stuff

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Speaker 1: Since two thousand, I think there's only been like two

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Speaker 1: Um And and yeah, I mean, but I think it

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Speaker 1: would be awesome if Yeah, I think it'd be awesome

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Speaker 1: if you could capitalize on that. Like I'm almost just

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Speaker 1: Northern Michigan property because up there there's nothing right, that's

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Speaker 1: just big woods, and that's your that's your typical high

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Speaker 1: if you can be successful just with a couple terrain

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Speaker 1: all that other you know, all that all that work

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Speaker 1: that that does equal you know, more dear or Bigger Box. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would be. It would be incredibly um fulfilling to

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a big day for us to start tomorrow.

428
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. So I wanna I'm hoping we can dive

429
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: into a number of different things because you know, as

430
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: I know, this is this is an important event and

431
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: it's going to be relevant to to all deer and

432
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: deer hunters. So my hope was that unfortunately I can't

433
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: I can't be there the event with scheduling, but I

434
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: was hoping we could at least bring some of the

435
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: major topics that are going to discussed over the coming

436
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Speaker 1: days to the attention of our listeners into this community,

437
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: because of course, you know, if we're not informed of

438
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: what's going on and aware of how we can actually

439
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: do things to to make sure things are moving the

440
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: right direction, you know, we we lose that control, we

441
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: lose our influence, and that's not a good thing when

442
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: it comes to the deer hunting community. And what I'm

443
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: hoping then is is to cover a whole lot on

444
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: the summit. But before all that, we talked with you,

445
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: I think last maybe August or September. UM, maybe it

446
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: was a little earlier than that, I'm not sure. But

447
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to the National Deer Alliance as a whole,

448
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: above and beyond what's going on with the summit right now,

449
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: I was curious, what's what's going on with the organization lately,

450
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: what's kind of the state of the union, Um, anything

451
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: particularly interesting as far as action as you guys have

452
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: been taking or things you guys are moving forward on

453
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: that would be of notre of interest to people. Yeah,

454
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: I think big picture, you know, the National Deer Alliance

455
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: is a real organization though, and not that, not that

456
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: we weren't the last time we talked, and not that

457
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Speaker 1: we weren't when the organization officially incorporated. But this is

458
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Speaker 1: the first Dear Summit. For example, this is the third one.

459
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Speaker 1: First it was one, now this one. But this is

460
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Speaker 1: the first one that is fully hosted and run by

461
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: the National Deer Alliance, which is pretty monumental because I

462
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: think that's that's in our This is an arrival point

463
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Speaker 1: for us. This is an opportunity to share with people

464
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: who were at the initial summit before the words and

465
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Speaker 1: National Deer Alliance, who were ever put together. The organization

466
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: had no name then, it was just an idea someone

467
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's not someone, but about three people came

468
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: to a consensus that we needed a national Deer Group.

469
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: Than the Second Deer Summit was about, Okay, we have

470
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: a we have a name, and now we have to

471
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Speaker 1: put together an organization. And as you know, having been there,

472
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: and a matter of fact, you handed me an NBA

473
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Speaker 1: had at the time because I was using the ear

474
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Speaker 1: Dear Summit hashtag. Yeah, that's right. I didn't know that

475
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: was going to be the captains hat but at any rate,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, we were participants in that, and as you know,

477
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: at that time, it was still much and more as

478
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: much of an idea as it was a real thing.

479
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: So this is a big deal, you know. It it

480
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: the things we'll talk about and I know we'll talk

481
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Speaker 1: about this here later on the show are core elements

482
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Speaker 1: of why the National Deer Alliance was formed. And we're

483
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: holding very very closely to our mission and very very

484
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: closely to the things that we determined to be key issues,

485
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: and being a small organization, we have to do that,

486
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: but we're doing it with you know, we're bringing in

487
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: thirty plus experts from across the country to cover these

488
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: topics and it's it's going to be different than what

489
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: I think most people are used to, but I think

490
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Speaker 1: in a good way. So that's the that's a big

491
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Speaker 1: picture n DA. We're we're a real organization, and we've

492
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: found out that we're needed, and we found out that

493
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: there's more work than we can even keep up with.

494
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Speaker 1: So that's good. Uh. You know, specifically, it's been a

495
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Speaker 1: little bit of a slow time in the last couple

496
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Speaker 1: of months with legislation across the country, and I think

497
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: When a lot of average hunters think of legislation, they

498
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: think of things that are specific to deer like and

499
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: they may look at it's a change, and you see

500
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot of at this time of year, you see

501
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: state setting their seasons and bag limits and which you

502
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: can and can't do, And to a lot of I

503
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: think average deer hunters, that's that's deer legislation. But there's

504
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: so many other things that that impact deer like. I

505
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: always tell people at any one time, there's probably a

506
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: hundred different bills across the country that are impact deer hunters.

507
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: So we could be talking about predator management for example,

508
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: where you have states to try to limit hunting things

509
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: like coyotes or mountain lions or Bobcastle. These are all

510
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: deer issues. Habitat working in the farm bill is something

511
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: we've We've got great partners with the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation

512
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Speaker 1: Partnership and Pheasants Forever who we haven't. We work on

513
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: a program called CRP works, and a lot of deer

514
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: hunters might not even know what CRP really is. What's

515
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: a farm bill program and it's a very important one

516
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: because it provides habitat and right now fonds are being dropped,

517
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: or there are a lot of small fonds on the

518
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: landscape and they're living in CRP. Well, if you start

519
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: taking away CRP, or you cap the amount of area

520
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: that those have for fawning, for example, that's a deer issue.

521
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: So we get into these issues that are I don't

522
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: want to call non traditional, but they're ones that I

523
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: think that the the average deer hunter out there doesn't

524
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: think a whole lot about or know a lot about.

525
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: So these are ongoing and when you're working on the

526
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: farm bill, for example, this is an ongoing thing. So

527
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: someone might have raised an eyebrow and they heard me

528
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: say pheasants forever as a partner. Well, you know, pheasants

529
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: and deers share a lot of very important habitats, and

530
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: we find ourselves being very very strong partners. And so

531
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: they've got folks working on Capitol Hill all of the time,

532
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: and we try to involve ourselves the best we can

533
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: do that and most importantly informed deer hunters that you know,

534
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: this impacts them as well. So a lot of issues

535
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: we worked on I think thirty nine when I did

536
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: my annual report last year, I think with thirty nine

537
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: different issues across the country that we were involved in,

538
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: which I think exceeded expectations because our our goal in

539
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: year one and when we last talked was let's just

540
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: get the organization put together and let's have a real

541
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: infrastructure and have a have a uh strategic plan and

542
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: have real goal and we accomplished all that, and then

543
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: we built the brand new website, which I know you

544
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: were a huge proponent of when you and I first

545
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: started talking a couple of years ago about this, and

546
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm pretty satisfied with our results there

547
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and we got this year, we're spending more time on

548
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: promotion to the organization, so just trying to get the

549
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: word out a little bit more. We launched a new

550
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: program which I'm sure you saw with the Facebook live

551
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: program Coffee and Dear as an example, to try to

552
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: reach more people and answer more questions on a whole

553
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: host of different issues. Getting on programs like Years which

554
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: have huge followings is helpful to us. I mean, you're

555
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: as a as a follower of your show myself, you

556
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: know as well as I do. If you don't do

557
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: of your shows at least on tactics and new gear

558
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: and and the actual hunting of the animal. You're gonna

559
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: be a dead show pretty quickly. But what we appreciate

560
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: that you understand the importance of that ten you have

561
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: to leave in the conservation and bigger issues like we're

562
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: talking about here today. And so we're doing a lot

563
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: of that, trying to trying to be on shows like

564
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: yours and others to spread the word about the National

565
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: Deer Lines and to get people involved. Now when I

566
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, as I worked to the National Deer Lines

567
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: over the years, one of the questions that I was

568
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: always getting from people was, you know, what what does

569
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: the National Deer Lines do? Like there's all these ideas,

570
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: but like what does the actual action being taken? And

571
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: I think that's becoming more and more clear. But to

572
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: your point a second ago, you were talking about some

573
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Speaker 1: of these specific issues, whether it be the farm bill, um,

574
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with CRP or predator management and things

575
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: like that. UM. Just to kind of flesh things out, um,

576
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: to help people better kind of put all this in

577
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: context or understand how does an organization like the n

578
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Speaker 1: d A, you know, what kind of action actually can

579
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Speaker 1: be taken? Is it is it just is it just

580
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: putting the word out there because I know that's an

581
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: important thing, but I think there's also some behind the

582
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: scenes stuff going on, um too. Can you just elaborate

583
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: on a little bit to add some color. Sure, Yeah,

584
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I talked about the farm bill already. Is one thing

585
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: that we work on, have been working on pretty hard.

586
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: Hunter access. We're gonna talk about that in the Deer Summit,

587
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll get into the topics here later.

588
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: But um, you know, and unfortunately none of this tends

589
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: to be exciting. It tends to be meetings and working

590
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: with stay at lunch today with the state Wildlife director

591
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: from Indiana, for example. It takes a lot of effort

592
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: to get around all fifty states and to try to

593
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: try to get things accomplished in a lot of relationships.

594
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: As there's some of that work, you know, NDA is

595
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: still very much trying to be looked upon as a

596
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: real authority in the deer world by state agencies, for example,

597
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: so that we can take messages to them from sportsmen

598
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: and try to get good things accomplished. So, you know,

599
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: there's that part of it. We haven't even talked yet

600
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: about chronic wasting disease, but that has been Other than

601
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: the deer sum in recent weeks, that has consumed most

602
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: of my time and the Beer Alliance is time. And

603
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: one thing we've we've been doing is positioning ourselves as

604
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: a lead convener on that issue. So what I mean

605
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: by that is we're not the scientists, so we're not

606
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: the one solving cw D. We're not the ones studying it,

607
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: but we're convening the people who are studying it. We're

608
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: convening the state agencies, other non government organizations like ours,

609
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: so that number one, we have a we have a

610
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: strong unified position, so that we're not out there spreading

611
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: different types of information and confusing people. Um and sometimes

612
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: you just need somebody that serves as the conduit for

613
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: these important conversations that happened. So we've been doing a

614
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: lot of that. We submitted comments to the U. S

615
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: d A last year regarding their regarding their c w

616
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: D program. For example, We've convened meetings at Shot Show

617
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: with key individuals and stakeholders on the disease. Um. It's uh,

618
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I know, I know I'm missing stuff because you know

619
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: that my head is kind of spending with all the

620
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: things we've done. But those are things that the we

621
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: try to report on the best we can. We try

622
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: to get it on our website and in our newsletter,

623
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: but largely a lot of the stuff we're doing on

624
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: a daily basis not everyone sees. So it's appreciate you

625
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity to kind of, you know, layout

626
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: how a week in the life of the National Deer

627
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: a lines for example, might might unfold. And to your point,

628
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not always the kind of thing

629
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: that is like super sexy or like sounds like all

630
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: this is like it's hard to say, well, you know,

631
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: we influenced X with this specific thing and it resulted

632
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: in this massive change. You know it's gonna help dear

633
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and deer hunters. But I can tell you from you know,

634
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: just my personal involvement over the years, especially last year,

635
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: just talking to you every week and here, okay, Nick's

636
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: going to this meeting, Nick is at this convention, Nick

637
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: is speaking at this thing. Nick is I mean you

638
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: were all over the country, you know, being a part

639
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: of important discussions related to deer or speaking and um

640
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: sharing your expertise or bringing people together to talk about

641
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: all these different issues. I mean, it's very apparent, at

642
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: least from the inside seeing um, the increased reach of

643
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: of the n D A by way of some of

644
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: the things you're working on. Um. And I'm sure while

645
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: there may not be and there probably already are some things,

646
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: but it may not be as easy to point and say,

647
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, this action created this big difference yet, but

648
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I know that all of this groundwork you're laying, all

649
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: these relationships, you're building, all this building of influence and

650
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: uh um, I guess yeah, influence with all these different parties,

651
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: it's going to translate to positive things because as you said,

652
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, you are established in the National Deer Alliance

653
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: as a as a resource, as an expert, as as

654
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: a an organization that can be turned to when people

655
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: needed help making decisions about things, or when they need

656
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: help pushing something forward. Um. So that's I see that

657
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: as as super positive encourage jink and I've been excited

658
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: to see that, and I think from what it sounds like,

659
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: we're only going to start seeing more and more results

660
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, and I hope so. And that's

661
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: that's really the theme of what the Deer Someone is about. Mark,

662
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna you know, one of the first things

663
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say at the podium as we kicked this

664
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: thing off tomorrow is uh, you know, the this is

665
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: the time of talking about talking about it is over.

666
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, we used the first two deer some much

667
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: to talk about the issues to get them out there.

668
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: But this is the time too. You know, when we

669
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: leave this, dear someone, we're gonna set the path forward

670
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: for real action, really doing things. You know, We're gonna

671
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what do we really know about

672
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: CW doing, What do we really need to do to

673
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: get the message to hunters so that they understand it

674
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: and to respect it, not necessarily be fearful of it.

675
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: We don't scare people from the sport. So messaging is

676
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: so important, and that's why we're bringing in people from

677
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: universities and you're not necessarily you're likely suspects that you

678
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: would see at a deer conference to talk to us

679
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: about messaging because at the end of the day, even myself,

680
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I find myself in these meetings and like

681
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'd rather be flipping through my outdoor life

682
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: or built and stream and you know, thinking about where

683
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: to hang my trail cameras and all this stuff. Because

684
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. I'm a I'm a hunter,

685
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, That's that's what I gets me excited. And

686
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: somehow I ended up, you know, being on this end

687
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: of things. But someone, someone has to do that, and

688
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: then that's what the the NBA is all about. So

689
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, we had we had one good example I

690
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: should have mentioned earlier, and that was we made a

691
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: call to the Minnesota Department of Animal Health too taking

692
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: a look for that for that organization to be investigated

693
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: because of continual issues they're having with captive deer management

694
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: in that state. And that spurred some real action. You know,

695
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: we know that there are some people looking closely at

696
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: things and at his open some eyes that we would

697
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: put that strong of a message out there. And I

698
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: think as the NBA grows, um, you know, gains tracks

699
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: in gains respect, you're going to see I think more

700
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: of that stuff where there'll be an issue we're going

701
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: to weigh in on. It might take a hard stance

702
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: and it will result in some type of action. So

703
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: that was probably a real tangible example I should have

704
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. That's a great example. So so let's let's

705
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: dive in further there. When it comes to the summit, you.

706
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: We've kind of talked high level um, but what exactly

707
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: is happening at the summit? I mean, can you walk

708
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: us through, like maybe maybe even almost what the agenda

709
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: looks like. I mean if people you know, however many

710
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: people are tending, what are they actually in for these

711
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: next few days. Yeah? Absolutely, and I'll just walk right

712
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: through the program. So you we'll kick off tomorrow at

713
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: two o'clock, right after the NSSF Industry Summit finishes up,

714
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do just a kickoff and much of

715
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: what I talked about earlier in this call, give people

716
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: an update on what the NBA has been doing. So

717
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: that'll be mine presentation, and then we'll have Kip Adams

718
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: from q d m A doing the State of the

719
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: White Tail Report, and he nobody does that better than him,

720
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: So it's great to have kick from the q d

721
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: m A partners here. And then I'm gonna have Jim

722
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: heppel Finger from the Mule Deer Foundation or I'm sorry,

723
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: not the Hull Deer Foundation, from the Mule Deer Working Group.

724
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: They work closely with the Mule Deer Foundation. He's going

725
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: to give the State of the Mule Deer Report. So

726
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I've got to really top notch people to to lead

727
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: us off and talk about what is the state of

728
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: white tails and mule deer in the country. And then

729
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the farm Bill. And I mentioned

730
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Theodore Is about conservation partnership earlier with Horsburg. Their CEO

731
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: is is going to be here to give a presentation

732
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: on farm bill and and why deer hunters need to

733
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: care about it. A matter of fact, the title of

734
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: his talk is a Deer hunters slash Manager's Guide to

735
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: the Farm Bill. And then our friends at Eddie, since

736
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: we're in Austin and they're literally a mile away from here,

737
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: they've invited us down to their shop, to their new flagship,

738
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a nicer ouption down there. And

739
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: we'll have Nick Wiley, the the executive director of Florida

740
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife and Conservation Commission. He's also the president

741
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: of the Associate Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. He's

742
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: gonna be our our dinner speaker. Nick's a just such

743
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: a positive guy and a and a strong speaker, and

744
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: he works and probably I don't even have probably not

745
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: even fair. I'm gonna just say the most difficult state

746
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: to work and when you look at all of the

747
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: myriad of issues that the state Wildlife Agency would face

748
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: in a state like Florida, from uh, you know, the

749
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: oceanic issues to the to all the things they've got

750
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: on land there that are different than in a lot

751
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: of states, and uh, you know, everything from alligators to

752
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: keep here. They've got They've got it all. And Nick

753
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: has done just a great job. They're so excited to

754
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: have him from it and talk. And then the second day,

755
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: and this is something that I'm that I'm doing that

756
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I think is really unique, and that is the entire

757
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: day is panel discussions. And I did that for a

758
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One it's a bit selfish because I

759
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: I can't stand sitting in an all day meeting and

760
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: being talked at, So I think it keeps the program

761
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: going and flowing in a little more exciting fashion. And

762
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: the other thing is it allows you to get so

763
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: many more experts in the room. So every one of

764
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: these panel discussions, and I'll go through them here, will

765
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: have a moderator who's knowledgeable and five panelists. So you're

766
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: looking at six people that are going to be on

767
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: the panel and then we'll open it up to questions

768
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: from the audience, and each of these panels are an

769
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: hour long. So we're gonna start off with how do

770
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: we improve hunter access, a key key issue in in

771
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: deer hunting, and why we lose hunters because people don't

772
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: have a place to go. And I've got folks from

773
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: a couple of state a couple of states that have

774
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: really good programs in North Dakota and Kansas. I've got

775
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: Land Honey from backcountry Hunters and Anglers and that organization

776
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: and RAND have been very much in the forefront. And

777
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: I know you've done your best to get the word

778
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: out about the public land issue, particularly in the West.

779
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: Larry Williams from US Fish and Wildlife Service and Dan

780
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: Forster from the Archery Trade Association of former state director

781
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: and George is going to moderate that one. So that's

782
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: gonna be a really good topic for sure. And then

783
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into c w D, and we have

784
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: we have two panels specific to c w D because

785
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: it really is the biggest issue I think in the

786
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: deer world right now. We're gonna start off with what

787
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: do we actually know about c w D. We have

788
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: Dr John Fisher from the University of Georgia. Here one

789
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: of the top experts on the disease. Sara Rolla is

790
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: coming from Preventative Safety Research Inc. Out of Canada, and

791
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: Daryl is a nationally internationally known speaker on this disease

792
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: and is excited to be here to participate. Cornell University,

793
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: Dr Christian Schuler, Dr Kelly Stroka from Michigan D and R,

794
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: and Dr Marywood from Wyoming Game and Fish. That's a

795
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: panel of doctors, an expert state vets. I mean, I'm

796
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: just really excited to hear those folks talk talk and

797
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: Kip Adams is going to moderate that one. Uh, We're

798
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go into c w D and the

799
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: challenge is States by state Wildlife Agency because it's not

800
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: just the disease itself is a huge issue, it's how

801
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: to states manage it. And we've got every one of

802
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: the states that are represented on this panel are states

803
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: that have c w D and they all have very

804
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: unique issues. So Wisconsin, for example, has had the knee

805
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: deep in c w D forever. They unfortunately sort of

806
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: led led the way into the c w D awareness

807
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: with that whenever they had the outbreak there. So they've

808
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: been at it probably the longest, and we've about Colorado, Arkansas, Wyoming,

809
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: and Texas all represented on that panel, and they all,

810
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: like I said, face varying challenges because of it. And

811
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: then you know, I haven't been shy about telling people

812
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: this is the one and most excited about, and that's

813
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: why I chose to moderate this one, and that is

814
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: navigating the political and social science of deer management. One

815
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: of the themes that came out of the first Dear

816
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: Summit and into the second one was this idea that

817
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: so few deer hunters involved themselves, are aware of issues

818
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: or join national de organizations. So we've got the ore

819
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: hunting industry or deer hunters, but one percent or less

820
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: will actually join and get active in things. And that's

821
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: a that's a scary thing. So we're gonna have some

822
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: human dimensions Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have some human

823
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: dimensions experts on this panel, myself with the psychology background,

824
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: to talk about how do we get to these folks

825
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: and how do we get your listeners, for example, to

826
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: care about the issues. So we have Dr Luke corn

827
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: Asli from the Minnesota d n R, Anthony Locatta, from

828
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: UH from Bond your corporation. You'll know him mostly from

829
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: the Outdoor Life and Field and Stream right are two

830
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: biggest outdoor hunting magazines. You know. Anthony's in charge of

831
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: those and I think his perspective is someone that has

832
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: to They have to be pretty good at messaging and

833
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: getting their getting hunters interested in things, and they wouldn't

834
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: be in business. We have a doctor and Dr Katherine

835
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: McComas from Cornell University. We've been working quite a bit

836
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: with Cornell, trying to lean on some of their expertise.

837
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: We are are members that may be your listeners as well,

838
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: hopefully participated in Cornell's study that we're a survey that

839
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: we put out a couple of weeks ago. Dr Craig

840
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: Miller from the Illinois Natural History Survey and Dr Grant

841
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: Wood's who I know a lot of your listeners know

842
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: from Growing Deer. These are all people that deal with

843
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: messaging and communicating with hunters and we have to figure out,

844
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: for example, I mentioned, how do we inform hunters about

845
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: c w D with good information by the way, but

846
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: not scare them from the sport. You know, how do

847
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: we get them involved in a positive way and I

848
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: hope those are some of the things that we get

849
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: to and then our final panel will be NDA and

850
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: Partnership of Hunters, Industry and State Wildlife Agencies, and it's

851
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: talking about how can NDA be most effective working with

852
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: all these groups. So we have a fellow by the

853
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: name of Tim don Just who is a I'll just

854
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: describe him as a hardcore hunter. This is a guy

855
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: who lived in Pennsylvania and moved to Kansas just because

856
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: the deer hunting was better. Uh yeah, So he's hardcore,

857
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: very active in t d m A. We have a

858
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: representation from the Congressional Sports This Foundation who we have

859
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: a good relationship with a matter of fact, with a

860
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: memorandum of understanding with them. We work on issues together.

861
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: Chip Honeycut from Marcus Hunting. That's a company that owned

862
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: several archery products that people were familiar with. Wayne Laroche

863
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: from the Pennsylvania Game Commission, Pennsylvania obviously being one of

864
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: the top deer hunting states in the country. And Andrew

865
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: McKean from Bonnier and the executive editor of Outdoor Life magazine.

866
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: Andrew as your recall, Mark was one of the big

867
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: proponents for a national Deer organization, So we've brought him

868
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: back and we're gonna get his take and his perspective.

869
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: So to have people like Lakata and McKean together in

870
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: the same room, I think the only place we've ever

871
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: accomplished that before was its Shot show. You know, it's

872
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: a social gatherings in the evenings. They're just so such

873
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: busy guys, and for them to take time out of

874
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: their schedule to travel down here and do this, I

875
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: think says a lot. So we're excited about that. And

876
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: then I'll wrap it up after that, and I'm gonna

877
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: take the information we've gained and form my final talk,

878
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: which I don't know what it'll be yet because I'm

879
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: gonna wait and just pull in the themes from the

880
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: event and then sum it up. So I feel really

881
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: good about it. Like I said, over thirty national international

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: experts on deer and deer management and the hunting. I

883
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever seen such a what I

884
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: would call a powerhouse program to talk about deer issues

885
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: like we're going to do it. So I'm pretty excited.

886
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: It's a heck of a slate. I listening to you

887
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: list all those names off and all the topics again,

888
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'm like, gosh, I would love to

889
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: be able to be there. Um And you know, speaking

890
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: of that, do you guys have plans to to record

891
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: anything share anything through social media? I mean, for those

892
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: of us that aren't there, is there going to be

893
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: any way that we can see or hear any portions

894
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: of it? Yeah? And I think the biggest thing you

895
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: can do is follow our social channels. We're going to

896
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: do our best too, the active on Twitter and Instagram

897
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: and Facebook. Tomorrow morning we're going to do a Facebook

898
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: live are Pockey and deer prob him at our normal

899
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: time and my guests will be Ben O'Brien from Yettie

900
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some issues. Ben's a big time

901
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: hunter on top of being a marketing two route down

902
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: there at Yetie, such a good partner over the years,

903
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: so I have him on. That will be pre summit,

904
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: but we'll be going over some of the things you

905
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: and I are talking about here, and again, just our

906
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: social channels. We're not going to stream the whole thing.

907
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: We're not really prepared with technology at the stream the

908
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: whole thing on Facebook Live for example. Maybe by the

909
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: next time it will be a little a little more

910
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: prepared to do that. So, um, that's probably the best

911
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: way to follow what's happening. Okay, cool, So what ultimately,

912
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: when this thing is all said and done, what is

913
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: your hope? What what's the goal of all this going

914
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: to be? What's the the action item or the final

915
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: piece of tangible something at the end of all this.

916
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: What do you want that to be? I think the

917
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: first thing is I want to make sure that we

918
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: paint a picture of what's going on in the dear world,

919
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: the real picture. And when I say the real picture,

920
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: that is the picture that is way bigger than just

921
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: when does deer season start and end in my state?

922
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: And what can I use to shoot them? Or you know,

923
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: that's that's the hunting, right, but the deer, the whole

924
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: picture of what's going on in the deer world. You

925
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: know what? What an end from there? We need to

926
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: point to real actions to make a difference. So great,

927
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: we've had this great discussion on deer hunting and access.

928
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about it? And I think

929
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: people will hear me say that throughout the event. This

930
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: is great, but what are we gonna do about it?

931
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: So to force people to start thinking about what the

932
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: next steps are. And it's not gonna be fair to

933
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: us just here at the summit to develop those but

934
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: I think we'll take the information back, we'll look at it,

935
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: and we'll push out some of these things as as

936
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: time goes on. But I think it's a real called action.

937
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: It's a it's a call to action to what I

938
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: refer to as being a well rounded hunter. And a

939
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: well rounded hunter nowadays is not what we grew up with,

940
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: which was, you know, I know how to hunt with

941
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: a bow and a gun, and I know how to

942
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: hang a trail camera, build grow food plot. It's it's

943
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: that's not a well rounded deer hunter. A well rounded

944
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: deer hunter is also being ware of the issues because

945
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: in the at this time in our society, it's required.

946
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: There's so many issues and so many people trying to

947
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: skew what deer hunting is and even to some extent,

948
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: take away our ability to hunt deer. We need to

949
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: be more well rounded and we all have that responsibility.

950
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: It's no longer good enough to just say, well, I'm

951
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: a hunter, and yeah, you have to find time. I

952
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: did gave a talk. It's not all that long ago.

953
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania. I told the group, you know, if you

954
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: can do one thing for him, you find time to

955
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: at least get involved in one issue, just one issue

956
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: that you may not have before, right, one letter to

957
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 1: a legislator that you maybe had never done that before,

958
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: and that'll get the ball rolling and help get people

959
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: to understand if there's it's much bigger than just going

960
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: out an opening day and hoping for good luck. Yeah.

961
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: So true and and to your point, for whatever reason, unfortunately,

962
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: as a deer hunting community, it's been relatively I don't

963
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: know if it's apathetic um or or something, but to

964
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: that that number you you mentioned earlier than only only

965
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: one per cent of the largest group of hunters in

966
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: the country is actually involved in a deer related organization

967
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: like this. I mean there's so much runway, there's so

968
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: much um that what am I trying to say? There's

969
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: so much potential for action and things we can do

970
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: if if a larger proportion of that group does somebody saying,

971
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: gets involved and starts paying attention um and and we

972
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: have to do it right. I mean, it's it's required,

973
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: like you said, yeah, because to be honest with you,

974
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't mean crap. If I just go

975
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: in personally, and let's say I'm sitting across the desk

976
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: from a high ranking legislator in d C. I if

977
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there talking about we need to do this,

978
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: we need to do that, that's not going to move

979
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: the needle. You know what moves the needle is me

980
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: saying on behalf of our x number of members and

981
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: this is why, this is why this is important, and

982
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: why we need you to do something about it. And

983
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: then on the back end of that, he or she

984
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: is hearing from people who care about the issues. Whether

985
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: whether it be through our grassroots advocacy system on our website,

986
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: phone calls, letters, even tweets, it doesn't matter. They just

987
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: need to hear the noise from the group of people

988
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: that care about it. So that's what moves the needle.

989
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: The constituents move the needle. The masses moved the needle.

990
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: So we really need the National Deer Lines will only

991
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: be as strong any of our dear organizations, will only

992
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: be as strong as our membership allows us to be,

993
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: and we need people to to really do that. I

994
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: I would like to ask you some unfair questions, Nick,

995
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: So forgive me in advance. But you just listed a

996
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: handful of different issues there that are going to be

997
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: covered at the summit, that are going to be discussed

998
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: and covered by a panel of five or six different

999
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: people per issue. I'm going to ask you to take

1000
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: the unfair burden of trying to cover each of those

1001
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: issues solo, UM as best as you possibly can, to

1002
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: give us at least a primery if you can, on

1003
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: what you expect to be discussed or what you've been

1004
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: involved in leading up to this point. And I'd like

1005
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: to start with c w D, since you mentioned that

1006
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: might be the very most important issue right now in

1007
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: the deer hunting world. UM, where do things stand on

1008
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: c w D? What have what have we been learning

1009
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: over recent months, in last year? UM? What do we

1010
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: need to know right now? You know? I think and

1011
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: this is why we're starting off. What we know about

1012
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: c w D, And I think what we need to

1013
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: know right now is that there's a lot of information

1014
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: out there about the disease and at least half of

1015
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: it is bad. Okay, at least half of it is

1016
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: bad information. At least half of it is being driven

1017
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: by people who have agendas to make it not seem

1018
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: like it's an important issue, and that's unfortunate. So we

1019
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: need to put out we need to say what we

1020
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: know about the disease. And and by the way, people

1021
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: who have an opposing view, and they're not only they're

1022
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily wrong on everything, okay, but when they whenever

1023
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: you characterize it as something we shouldn't be concerned about

1024
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's something that will weed its way out of

1025
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: that's that's irresponsible because we don't know. I'd be great,

1026
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: I'd be great, by the way, if that was the case,

1027
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: that'd be wonderful, But that's very likely not the case. Okay.

1028
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: We want to get out there what we actually know

1029
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: for sure about the disease. And there are some things

1030
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: that we do know for sure, and we need to

1031
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: make sure that people that hunters know what those things are, Okay,

1032
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: And then we also I'm hoping that leads to hope

1033
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: bringing everyone needs to work together on this. We can

1034
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: all benefit from more research, better information, better ways to

1035
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: handle the disease. And this is it's it's it's in

1036
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: very much in the best interest of a of a

1037
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: person that raises captive dear is it as a deer hunter?

1038
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: Two people that just care about wild life. It's in

1039
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: all of our best interests to figure this thing out.

1040
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: So I'm hopeful that we get what we know out there,

1041
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: that we can agree on what we really know for

1042
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: the most part, and that we can get on a

1043
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: uniform message and actually it actually leads to solutions and

1044
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: not conjecture and misleading information and fake news. It's not

1045
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: hot hot hot being you here all the time. We

1046
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: we can't. You know, deer deserve better than that. Frankly,

1047
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: our wild life deserves better than that. And that's what

1048
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm hoping we get to a c w D. Can

1049
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: you can you summarize for us some of the things

1050
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: that we know, um, when it comes to CWD, is

1051
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: that something you can speak to a few of the

1052
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: core things that now because it's like every time I

1053
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: talk to someone on this topic, there's some new perspective

1054
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: or there's some new research or some new theory about

1055
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: how to deal with it or what's going on? Um,

1056
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: can you give us some kind of update as where

1057
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: things stand now? What's what do we believe as firm

1058
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: what do we be believe it's from? Or what sorry,

1059
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: what do we what do we firmly know what can

1060
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: we say now that we do know I think we

1061
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: know sure well. Number one, we know that it's out there.

1062
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: We know that it's spreading, Okay, that's for sure. We

1063
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: know that deer definitely die. Any deer that gets c

1064
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: w D, that deer is on his way to die. Now,

1065
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: when you hear the argument sometimes that well, not all,

1066
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: not all deer that have c w D die from

1067
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: c w D, now that's that's absolutely correct, because a

1068
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: lot of times they meet up with a bullet or

1069
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: the front end of someone's Mercedes Benz or whatever, um

1070
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: and they die of other reasons for sure. But a

1071
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: deer with c w D is a death sense that

1072
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: deer will die. That deer will also, while it's alive,

1073
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: spread prions to other deer. We know that you can't

1074
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: just and disinfect the site that had c w D,

1075
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: for example. You can't just go in and bleach down

1076
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: a deer pen, for example, that had it. Or let's

1077
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: say you have a property where there was some c

1078
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: w D positive deer found. That's a scary thing. We

1079
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: don't we do not know how to completely get rid

1080
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: of it. It's there and it can be passed on

1081
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: for years. We know that. We know that moving deer

1082
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: dead or alive is really bad for the spread of

1083
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: c w D. So I think as hunters, you're going

1084
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: to see more things coming down as to how you

1085
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: can handle that carcass. After you shoot a deer, you

1086
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: know you can. A lot of hunters may not know.

1087
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: For example, if you shoot just to pick a state.

1088
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: Let's say Illinois is a popular destination. Let's say you

1089
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: live in Pennsylvania and you go to Illinois for a

1090
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: deer hunt and you shoot a deer. You can't just

1091
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: throw it in the back of the truck and drive

1092
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: it back to Pennsylvania because you're breaking laws in every

1093
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: state you drive on the way. Um, we need to

1094
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: get that information out the hunter. So we know moving

1095
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: deer is bad, We know that that it can have

1096
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: population impacts based on the science. To your point, though,

1097
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: is that there is continually new information coming out, which

1098
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: is good. The more studies we have, the better. There

1099
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: are different arguments about how much does what deer yearn

1100
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: For example, what is the what is the real what

1101
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: is it? How realistic is it that you could spread

1102
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: c w D by buying a bottle of d aarrear

1103
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: and then using it for example, Those are all things

1104
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: that are up for further study and debate, and there's

1105
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, people you can agree with and see points

1106
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: on both sides of the issue. So it's not all clear.

1107
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: We need to make sure we don't make clear statements

1108
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: for the information is not clear. We need to say

1109
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: what we do know for sure. And I think I

1110
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: went through some of those things. So, uh, there's as

1111
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: much as we do know about it, there's an awful

1112
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: lot we don't know. But the irresponsible thing is to

1113
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: say it's not something to worry about. I would love

1114
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: to be proven wrong down the road and we find

1115
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 1: out that this isn't something to be that worried about.

1116
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: That'd be great. But to sit here and hope for that,

1117
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: As I've said in other talks, hope is not a strategy.

1118
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: We need to be proactive and do the best we can.

1119
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: We'll make mistakes, but we need to learn from them

1120
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: and we need to get better. Yeah. Yea. So is

1121
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: there any tangible um at least from from your perspective,

1122
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: Having you know, talked to a lot of people I

1123
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: believe that are an expert positions with when it comes

1124
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: to this topic, and I'm sure You've been talking to

1125
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are on the forefront of

1126
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: the research. Um, do we have any clear guidance as

1127
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: far as what the new best practices are for dealing

1128
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: with this? You mentioned a couple of things I'm sure

1129
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: are part of that. UM. But if you had to

1130
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: say today, given what we do know, given all those

1131
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: things you just mentioned, you know these three things or

1132
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: something are seemed to be the best practice for for

1133
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: dealing with it right now. Is there anything like that

1134
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: that you can come in on. Well, I know that

1135
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: the States are working together through the Association for Fish

1136
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Agencies to develop a list of best management practices. UM,

1137
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: you know a lot of this. I know the States

1138
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: as someone that works with the States, and a lot

1139
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: of the state directors. I know they coordinate with each other,

1140
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: they talk. That's part of what we're trying to help

1141
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: with to help be a convener. They're going to put

1142
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: together a list of best management practices. I expect that

1143
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: list of change over time, and it should as we

1144
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: learn more, as we see what works and what doesn't.

1145
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: You know, and sometimes sometimes an approaching taken Wyoming, for example,

1146
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: may not work in Ohio, Okay, so you have to

1147
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: be Sometimes these approaches are site specific, but there are

1148
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: some management practices that are pretty solid. And the moving

1149
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: deer one is a is an example. Um, you know,

1150
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: state shooting deer in when they find an effective deer

1151
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: and and going in and shooting a certain number of

1152
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: deer and testing to understand how where the outbreak is

1153
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: or what the boundaries are. That I think you're going

1154
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: to see continue to an extent. I think that's been

1155
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: scaled back from some of the early I think we

1156
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: have learned from things we've done in the past. We've

1157
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: learned from I don't want to pick on Wisconsin, but

1158
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: the problem with being first a lot of times is

1159
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: that you the other people get to learn from your

1160
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: mistakes and you've got to carry things around with you.

1161
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: So um, like I said, we can't expect this to

1162
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: be perfect. We can't expect our state agencies to be perfect.

1163
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: We just have to know and believe that we're all

1164
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: trying to work toward a common goal here, and that

1165
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: is to find a way to deal with this disease.

1166
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: And that's that's really our hope I think going forward

1167
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: is that let's find a way to work together on

1168
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: this thing and do something that's going to be really

1169
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: good for deer and hunters in the long run. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1170
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: it's been one of those topics that has been man

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean for more than a decade now. It's been

1172
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: one of those hot button issues. And you know you

1173
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: said early on with the things that Wisconsin was doing,

1174
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: trying to trial by fire figuring things out, and now

1175
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: more and more and more states keep discovering c w D. Um,

1176
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be obviously increasingly important for everyone to

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01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: be educated on what's going on, and hopefully there'll be

1178
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: some answers coming here soon, um, because to your point earlier,

1179
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: there's been a whole lot of unknowns that make it

1180
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: difficult to find a solution. Yeah. Absolutely, all right, Well,

1181
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: this seems like a good place for us to pause

1182
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: briefly for our weekly White Tail Wisdoms segment from our

1183
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: friends at White Tailed Properties, and Spencer will take it

1184
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: from here. This week. With White Tailed Properties, we are

1185
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: joined by Steve Purviance, a land specialists out of northwestern Oklahoma,

1186
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: and Steve is going to be telling us about it

1187
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: steps to take once you've decided to sell a piece

1188
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: of land. The first they need to come up with

1189
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: an idea of exactly what category it falls in. You know,

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01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of the sellers seems to be UM that

1191
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: I get. Really, I would say a good half of

1192
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: them anyway, come from how the state maybe UM airs

1193
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: the property that they really don't have lots to do

1194
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: with yor not on a lot um. You know, maybe

1195
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: they got it in a you know, in a wheel,

1196
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: and they really need to know a little about it.

1197
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 1: You know. Of course, once they call me, I can look,

1198
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: I can do some research on the computer on area

1199
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: photos and then of course quite look at it. But

1200
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: they really need to know what it is. I mean,

1201
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: is it agg ground, is it good grass that's really

1202
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: just going to cater to u you know, local ranchers,

1203
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: or is it going to be a recreational piece with

1204
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: good hunting potentially fishing that would cater to a big wide,

1205
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: you know scale of people, you know, out of staters,

1206
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: non residents, people looking for UM for proper to enjoy

1207
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: and invest in it. So that's that's one of the

1208
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: first things they need to do. And then they need

1209
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: to find an agent UM somebody local that really specializes

1210
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: in that. You know, of course we specialize in the

1211
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: recreational land hunting UM. We can sell any of it

1212
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: and do you know, every month, but we we actually

1213
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: specialize in the hunting land. UM. But that's that that

1214
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: would be the first steps, UM to coming up with

1215
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: an idea of really what they've got to begin with.

1216
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

1217
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: properties that Steve currently has listed for sale, visit white

1218
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: tail properties dot com. Backslash purviance. That's p U R

1219
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: B I A n C E. So continuing on UM,

1220
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: how about the farm bill? What did deer hunters need

1221
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: to know about the farm bill? Why does that matter

1222
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: to deer hunters? You touched on a little bit with CRP,

1223
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: but can you expand on that UM as far as

1224
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: is how that's an important issue moving forward? Yeah, I

1225
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I think people followed

1226
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: politics and a general level, and nowadays there's it's almost

1227
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: like watching reality TV, and some of it doesn't even

1228
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: seem like reality with all the different things going on

1229
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: and the device of politics that we have. But the

1230
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: reality is is that the programs like the farm Bill

1231
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: are decided upon by our government ultimately, and when they're

1232
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: deciding who gets what piece of the pie. A lot

1233
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: of times, conservation is one of the first things that

1234
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: gets cut, and we at the expense of that then,

1235
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: of course is our wildlife, our hunting lifestyle, and a

1236
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: whole post of other things. So we're gonna talk about that.

1237
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna have wit Foresburg is gonna is gonna get

1238
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: into CRP, for example, is one of those programs that

1239
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: for every acre you don't get in that program, that's

1240
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: another you know, fond is probably gonna get predated or

1241
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: another thing that's going to impact deer in the landscape

1242
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: among other wild So it's important for hunters to be

1243
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: a little more aware of what that program is and

1244
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: that it is a farm bill program and if they

1245
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: can influence that by contacting legislators, and you know, imagine

1246
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: of our eleven million or whatever the you know, eleven

1247
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: twelve million deer hunters across the country. If if even

1248
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: five of those contacted or legislators and said CRP is

1249
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: important to us as a constituent, I'd really not to

1250
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: like to not see that cut. Well, that can actually

1251
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: have an impact. Yeah, I think a perfect example something

1252
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: kind of like that. Um And we were talking earlier

1253
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: about again the influence you can have when you have

1254
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: a large number of people you can activate on issues

1255
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: like this. UM. This is kind of skipping a little

1256
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: bit ahead to the topic of hunter access UM. But

1257
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: as you know, earlier this year there had been a

1258
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: bill brought to the House asking to to sell a large,

1259
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: large number million three point three million acres of public land,

1260
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: and the hunting community and many others out there said

1261
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: we are not okay with that, and really turned up

1262
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: the temperature on legislators, calling, sending emails, and that got

1263
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: that got pulled off. And I think that's a perfect

1264
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: example of the impact we could have on other things

1265
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: like the farm bill, hunter access in the future, all

1266
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: these different things, right, Yeah, And you and others covered

1267
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: that exceptionally well, and I hope people were paying attention

1268
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: and can and see that this is real. We can

1269
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: really have an impact on these issues. And like you said,

1270
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: it was the heat was turned up and you saw

1271
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: that eventually getting pulled And you know, if you're even

1272
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: if you're a deer hunter in Georgia, well you better

1273
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: darn well care about a land issue in Utah, Okay,

1274
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: Because when some of these precedents are set in, it's

1275
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: allowed to happen. It's not far fetched that it's going

1276
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: to happen in your state. So because a deer hunting community,

1277
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: whether you're a person that likes to chase mule deer

1278
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: or white tails or black tails, we need to we

1279
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: need to really stick together and and we're together on

1280
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: these issues, regardless of it's in our own backyard or not. Yeah,

1281
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: very true on that topic. Then hunter access is there anything?

1282
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: Is there anything else top of mind when it comes

1283
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: to the access issue other than the kind of big

1284
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: um elephant the room which has been this whole land

1285
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: transfer movement and things like that. Um, anything else when

1286
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: it comes to hunter access, whether it be East, West, Midwest,

1287
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: anywhere that we should be aware over, that's going to

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01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: be important in the discussions coming up. Yeah. And I

1289
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: think the reason I brought in Kansas and North Dakota

1290
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: is because they have really good programs that are run

1291
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: through the state. Having lived in North Dakota myself at

1292
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: one time, there's a program called UM Private Lands Open

1293
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: to Sportsman Plots That was a great program that I

1294
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: took advantage of when I was there, and many others

1295
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: do as well. Kansas has their walking only hunting program

1296
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: where these are places you can drive down the road

1297
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: and see one of these farms that are signed that

1298
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: they're part of that program, and you can literally pull

1299
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: over and go hunt. It's a that's a good program.

1300
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: We need to make it that easy for people. So

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that this these programs are the types of

1302
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: things we can replicate. But we also brought in the

1303
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: other end of the spectrum, which I think will make

1304
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: it interesting, and that is we have a representation from

1305
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: a group there on the panel that does this on

1306
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: a more private level. So it's almost a private leasing

1307
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: aspect of getting people access, because you know, leasing is

1308
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: not going to go away, But how does that play

1309
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: into the bigger need for access because leasing is another

1310
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: form of access. Access isn't just knock on the door

1311
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: and gain permission, And then there's the whole bigger picture.

1312
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: I know, you know, for example, you took advantage of

1313
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: public access public land to shoot a nice buck in

1314
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: Montanel last year, So you know, you know as well

1315
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: as anybody the importance of these issues, and we're gonna

1316
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: try to try to hit it from from every angle

1317
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: and hopefully get to some solutions in some states that

1318
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: have really really DP access problems. Yeah, and to your

1319
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: to your point earlier, the whole hunter access thing is

1320
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: incredibly important because like the transitive property, because hunter access

1321
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: is key to hunter retention and recruitment. Hunter retention recruitment

1322
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: is key to you know, having a voter base that

1323
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: stands up and supports what we're trying to do here.

1324
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: So you know that is so not only is it

1325
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: important just selfishly for like me as an individual, I

1326
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: want someone to hunt, but it's also really important in

1327
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: the big picture, for we need to have people need

1328
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: the ability to get out and do this so they

1329
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: care about this, so that all of us can continue

1330
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: to enjoy this resource and this activity. Um. It all

1331
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: is linked together, um, which makes it hard to kind

1332
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: of say, Okay, what do we focus our time on

1333
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: when all these things all matter so much to each other. Right, Yeah,

1334
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: it's a big it's a big pie. But I mean,

1335
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: imagine just boil it down very simply. Imagine teaching your

1336
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: child all the fundamentals of basketball, and you dribble a

1337
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 1: lot around the the house or in the backyard or whatever,

1338
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: and you get really great at the fundamentals and finally

1339
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: the kids say, is okay, now I want to go

1340
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: play basketball. Well, we don't really have a hoop, and

1341
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: we don't have a court to play on, and we

1342
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: really don't have any any place to play. Well, how

1343
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: long is that kid going to stay interested in basketball?

1344
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: So it's very much the same thing. Yeah, yeah, very true.

1345
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,839
Speaker 1: So then your your pet um. You mentioned your particularly

1346
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: interested in this because of your your background the political

1347
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: and social science of dear management. What exactly do you

1348
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: mean by that and what what can you share as

1349
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: far as is where we are with this kind of

1350
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: topic of white matters. Yeah. I think the first thing

1351
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: is the reality of today is the political science will

1352
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: outweigh the biological science on issues. So dear biologists, for example,

1353
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: can't just say, well, because of this science, then we

1354
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: need to do this. Well, the legislator gets ahold of

1355
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: that and it doesn't meet their agenda for example, or

1356
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: not even just the legislator, I'm gonn always point the

1357
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: finger at them. Even a group of deer hunters who

1358
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: can make a lot of noise that don't want to

1359
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 1: do X or Y. It might be bad for deer,

1360
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 1: but it's it's it might be good for dear, but

1361
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: it's bad for their personal agendas. That tends to get

1362
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: more play than the actual science itself. So we'll talk

1363
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: about that a little bit. But then there's this whole

1364
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: dynamic of getting hunters motivated and interested in the issues.

1365
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: We know that most hunters really they just want to hunt,

1366
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: and they do it because it's something they enjoy and

1367
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: they want to get away from stuff that seems like work. Right,

1368
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: how do we get our messages formulated in a way

1369
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: that number one gets their attention but motivates them to action.

1370
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: So the psychology of the hunter is so interesting because,

1371
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, if you stop doing Wired

1372
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: to Hunt and you quit talking about tactics and how

1373
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: to hunt this or hunting stories, you're gonna not have

1374
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: a lot of followers pretty quickly. So I think it's

1375
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: the most important that people are excited in those types

1376
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: of topics because that's the passion that drives. But again,

1377
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: I asked people to just give back a little bit more.

1378
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: How do we how do we get the message right

1379
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: to give people to become to get people to become

1380
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: more well rounded and more likely to participate in an issue,

1381
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 1: and even even a one percent change, let's say we

1382
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: go if we if we go from one percent to

1383
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: two percent of the people are active on issues. We

1384
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: just doubled. So I think we have some realistic opportunity

1385
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: out there to get people engaged. But as an outdoor industry,

1386
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: and I've said this many times, I've been very critical

1387
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: of our industry in terms of how how we message

1388
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: about our support to everybody, and how the focus is

1389
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: always is first, how do we get somebody out there

1390
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: as a hunter? Whenever we skipped the whole step of

1391
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: explaining why hunting is important and why you might want

1392
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 1: to be a participant. Um, we're terrible as an industry

1393
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: at getting this message out ourselves because we don't understand

1394
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: it because most of us are hunters and we just

1395
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: grew up with it. So let's bring in some people

1396
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: from some universities and human dimensions experts to understand this

1397
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: better to us, to help us get the message right.

1398
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: So this is a this is a reach out for help,

1399
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: I think, to other people that can help us understand

1400
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: something that that we're not great at. Yeah, two people, Okay,

1401
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 1: So selfishly myself and the position I'm in, you know,

1402
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: I believe in what you're talking about very much, and

1403
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: I would love to find a way to to try

1404
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: to engage people more so in these issues. So for

1405
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: someone like me or for someone listening who himself for herself,

1406
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: they agree with this, they want to try to get

1407
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: their friends and family members to care about this stuff more,

1408
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: to engage more. Is there any tangible advice um to

1409
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: me or someone listening about how to do our own

1410
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: little part on this, I mean, other than you know,

1411
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: bringing up more often. Is there anything that from your

1412
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: background or from conversation with other people on this topic,

1413
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: Are there any actual different ideas for how we can

1414
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: do a better job of activating people and engaging people

1415
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: in these things. Yeah, I mean, I think that's one

1416
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: of the things we want to we want to get

1417
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: to out of this panel. I don't have I don't

1418
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: have the best answer. I can tell you that one thing.

1419
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: Number one, this show, for example, you taking time to

1420
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: have me on your program. That helps because you cover

1421
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: a variety of different issues and you're you know, you're

1422
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: following here's this. They know it's important to you, who's

1423
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: very plugged into the industry and important things. So that

1424
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: helps some More things like this, for sure. We it

1425
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: just has to come up in conversation. Is when you

1426
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: get to deer camp obviously a lot of the conversation

1427
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: is about past deer hunting, and I think that's critical,

1428
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, to have that the heritage and to continue

1429
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: to pass that on and the excitement of deer hunting.

1430
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: I think, I think we need to have deer issues

1431
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: and conservation issues be more of a topic of conversation

1432
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: around deer camps. And in one way, I think it's

1433
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: going to happen naturally, and that is again I mentioned

1434
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: earlier that so many people and most of most deer

1435
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 1: hunters are older. I forget the exact age of the

1436
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: average hunter, but it's older, might even be, might even

1437
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: be in the fifties. Actually, well, none of those people

1438
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: in including myself, really grew up having to worry a

1439
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: whole lot about the issues. Our biggest concern was if

1440
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 1: they you know, if they change the way you could

1441
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: hunt those for example. Um, that was your big issue

1442
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: to deal with. So I think the younger people now

1443
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: that are coming up and will eventually replace the folks

1444
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: and the older age brackets are, they're growing up with

1445
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: this more now, so much the same way that we had.

1446
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: We had a great talk today at the NSSS someone

1447
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: about millennials. Okay, term that gets thrown around a lot,

1448
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 1: and but the reality is yeah, yeah, I know the speakers,

1449
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: but the speaker says Mark, He says, you know what

1450
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: you need to understand is my kids growing up, and

1451
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: he said their age, I think one, three and six,

1452
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: something like that. They grow up never having never seen

1453
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: a phone with a cord that was attached to something.

1454
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 1: So to them, what they see is that's just how

1455
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: it's always been, because that's how it's been to them,

1456
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: And that the light went off in my head. And

1457
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: then I think about deer issues and that now I

1458
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: think people coming into the sport. It's not enough to

1459
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: just teach someone hunter education in terms of safety, and

1460
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's important obviously, but we also need to

1461
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: start injecting into that the idea that you need to

1462
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: be aware of issues. And that's part of hunter education.

1463
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: It's not just how do I kill an animal, It's

1464
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: how do I make sure as part of that process

1465
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: that I give back and that I'm a tentative to

1466
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: issues that are important to wildlife conservation. So I'm hopeful

1467
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: that people are now growing up with this will be

1468
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: able to carry that message better than what folks who

1469
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: haven't frankly had to deal with it. It's hard to

1470
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: get them activated and interested. Yeah, yeah, very true. Well

1471
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: we are, we're coming up on our on our time.

1472
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you one final question. I

1473
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: guess here before before you've got to run off to

1474
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: your myriad of different things on the schedule. But what

1475
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: is And we might have already covered it, but I'm

1476
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: just curious, of all things we talked about or other things,

1477
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: what's the one thing that is keeping you up at

1478
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: night the most? What concerns you the most as far

1479
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: as issues facing deer or deer hunters? And then number two,

1480
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: what encourages you the most? Yeah, and and I've answered

1481
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: this question many times and then my answer hasn't changed.

1482
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: And my biggest concern other than I mean people, I

1483
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 1: think expect me to say, it's chronic wasting disease. Actually

1484
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:46,919
Speaker 1: it's apathy. It's people only caring about their own personal

1485
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: deer hunt or their own personal situation and taking a

1486
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: bit of a selfish approach to it. That's that's what

1487
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: keeps me up at night. I want to have I

1488
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: want people to be informed. I want them to be

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01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: an formed with good information, and I want to want

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: them to be active and not just spend all their

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 1: time fighting with their state wildlife agency or you know

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01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: whoever it may be. That's the biggest issue that keeps

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01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: me up at night. And I hope that's where over time,

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01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: the National Deer Alliance will be able to bring hunters together.

1495
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: And we may not always agree on everything. We're not

1496
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: going to always agree on everything, but let's at least

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01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: agree that we're all on the same team, and that

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01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: we need to work together, and that we all need

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01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: to be well rounded hunters and conservationists. Yeah, and then

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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: what what encourages you? I see traction. I see even

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01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 1: with just not quite two years with the Deer Alliance,

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01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: I see I can already see people taking the next

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01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: or second to think about issues. So I think that

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01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: there's hope. I see states talking together about deer issues

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: at a higher level than it has probably ever been

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01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 1: seen in terms of state wildlife agencies. Um, and what

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier about young people getting into hunting who

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: are learning about these things as they're becoming hunters. So

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01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: it's not all gloom and doom. And I don't want

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: to give people that impression. Deer herds are strong for

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: the most part, We're we have older H class deer

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01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: most for the most part across the landscape. If you

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01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: read the q DM as dear report that they put out, um,

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01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a good time to be a

1515
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: deer hunter, but it's also a challenging time in terms

1516
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: of needing to be aware of the issues. So let's

1517
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: not get twenty years down the road and say, oh,

1518
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: you know what, I wish I would have been more

1519
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: active on this. Let's be active now while it's still

1520
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: good as opposed to trying to correct something that could

1521
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: potentially go really wrong down the road. Yeah. Yeah, that's

1522
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: a that's a great point. And um, and I think

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01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing with the National Deer Lines

1524
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 1: and um, you know there's all the things behind the scenes,

1525
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: but front and center for everyone just on a personal level,

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01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: the information you guys are putting out through the newsletter,

1527
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: social media, all these different things. That's a really easy

1528
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: first step to to help move forward and these things

1529
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: is just being informed. And um, you know, we're trying

1530
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: to do our part here with Wired Hunt, and UM,

1531
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,719
Speaker 1: you know some of that also those falls on falls

1532
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: on each of us as individuals. To to engage with

1533
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 1: that stuff and take the extra ten minutes of data

1534
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: to read that article, or you know, tap into things

1535
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: when they when they pop up. So I'm appreciab what

1536
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: you guys are doing and the fact that there's a

1537
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: lot of good people in organizations standing up for wildlife

1538
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: and wild places and and our rights as hunters and

1539
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: and I'm encouraged by that too. So so Nick, thank

1540
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: you for taking the time to do this. Do you

1541
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,879
Speaker 1: have one action item you want to give our listeners

1542
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: to take away from this? Yes, join the National Deera Line.

1543
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: There you go. It doesn't cost you anything. It's pretty

1544
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: good and ash with deer lines dot com. Sign up.

1545
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: You'll get our newsletter that Mark mentioned, and we try

1546
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: to do our best pick up the nationals, the bigger

1547
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: national deer stories on a weekly basis. We pull you

1548
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: for your opinion. Sign up, it's free. Uh, you don't

1549
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: even have to read all the newsletters, just read most

1550
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: of them. There you go. It's it's easy to do

1551
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: and and good stuff always. So appreciate your time, Nick,

1552
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: and best of luck with the summit. I can't wait

1553
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: to hear about things. How things go all right? Thanks

1554
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: again for the opportunity and uh yeah, I think it's

1555
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a good thing. It sounds like it. And

1556
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 1: there you go. But before you go, I've got a

1557
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: couple of quick things on my end that I want

1558
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: to mention to you. And for those of you have

1559
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: stuck around here to the end, I've got a special

1560
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: deal I want to try out today. I'm going to

1561
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: give away five wired to Hunt hats this week and

1562
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that through Instagram. So if you'd

1563
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: like to be one of those hat winners, all you

1564
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: to do is follow wired to Hunt on Instagram and

1565
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: then send me a direct message to the saying that

1566
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: you heard this and that you want to win a hat.

1567
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do, really easy. Follow wire down

1568
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: on Instagram and send a message about this. I'll then

1569
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: take everyone that participates and pull five random winners and

1570
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,919
Speaker 1: ship you guys a hat. So head over to Instagram

1571
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: and get some free swag. It's that It's that easy.

1572
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: And if you're not already following wired to Hunt there

1573
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: and Insta, the user name is the at sign and

1574
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: then wired to Hunt. That's all one word, so check

1575
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: it out and uh appreciate you guys doing that. We'll

1576
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: get some prizes. Send out a SAP. My second ask

1577
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 1: is for a rating or review on iTunes. I know

1578
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: many of you have already done that, and they just

1579
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: make such a big difference. I think more than six

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01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: hundred and seventies some of you have been kind enough

1581
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: to take the time and do that already, and I

1582
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Thank you,

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01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. In fact, actually, let's uh, let's

1584
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: take a look here. Here's one from someone by the

1585
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: name of T. Chamberlain who left a review just a

1586
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and they gave us five stars

1587
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: and said, this podcast is going to completely change the

1588
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: way I hunt after making the decision to pursue mature

1589
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: white tails two years ago, this is the perfect podcast

1590
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: for me and my addiction. That is awesome. Thanks so much, Chamberlain.

1591
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: And next, of course, we want to thank our partners

1592
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: who have stood up and supported what we're doing here,

1593
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: so big. Thank you too. Sick of gear YETI Cooler's

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Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery may have an optics white Tail Institute of

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01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: North America, Trophy Ridge and hunt Terra maps. And finally,

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01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: thank you all for listening. I hope you found value

1597
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: in this one. I hope you'll continue to join me

1598
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: in standing up for deer and deer hunting, and I

1599
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: hope you'll stay wired to hunt