Speaker 1: Hi, gain everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading
Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast.
Speaker 2: The I'm Coming Home. I'm Coming Home.
Speaker 1: Addition, As I catch up with this week's ruler of
Speaker 1: the Jungle, the one and only Adriel Jeremiah Green, we
Speaker 1: reminisce about his remarkable decade in Cincinnati, discuss the Bengals
Speaker 1: track record for drafting great wide receivers, and talk about
Speaker 1: the team's current stars, Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. I
Speaker 1: think you'll enjoy hearing what AJ has to say. Then
Speaker 1: I'll look ahead to the Baltimore game with Logan Wilson
Speaker 1: and Ravens. Broadcaster Jerry Sandusky and Dave Lapham joins me
Speaker 1: for a closer look at why Joe Burrow struggled so
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Speaker 1: the Jungle. That's the name of a new coffee table
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Speaker 1: James Rapine. It's a comprehensive season by season look at
Speaker 1: Bengal's history with vivid color photographs and some fun stuff
Speaker 1: like all decade teams in Bengals trivia. And I was
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Speaker 1: are sold. Now, let's get to my first guest, who
Speaker 1: is frequently mentioned in that book. Now, an I formation
Speaker 1: backfield on first and ten, play action fake.
Speaker 3: We're got to the right gop ball for a wide
Speaker 3: open h Green catches it the eighteen.
Speaker 1: It's a touchdown.
Speaker 3: For Adriel Sharamiah Green his eighth consecutive game with a
Speaker 3: touchdown catch on a beautiful fifty seven yard bomb from.
Speaker 1: The red rifle to play action fake. Dalton sets up
Speaker 1: to throw.
Speaker 4: He rangs it deep for a wide up at AH
Speaker 4: Green catches instide lett him go hit the twenty to
Speaker 4: ten the fun touchdown. Bengals eighty one yards to eighteen.
Speaker 4: Adriel Jeremiah Green.
Speaker 1: Boyit out to the right. Here's a pass to.
Speaker 3: AJ wiggles out of an ankle tackle and runs into
Speaker 3: the end zone for a Bengals touchdown. Great yak yards
Speaker 3: after catch produces a touchdown for Adriel Jeremiah Green. Dalton
Speaker 3: takes a shotgun snap against a five man rush. He's
Speaker 3: gonna fire, teach. AJ Green is open. He bobbles it.
Speaker 3: He's done it. That's the funny wait cut. He's still
Speaker 3: running ten five touchdown Adriel Jeremiah Green seventy seven yards.
Speaker 3: The former juggler as a kid made a juggling catch
Speaker 3: and took it to the house to give the Bengals
Speaker 3: a twenty one to sixteen lead. On first and ten,
Speaker 3: Dalton fakes to mix hims a eye Indeed. BJ Green
Speaker 3: catches at the buffalo forty spretty torment on the field
Speaker 3: of the vine and five touchdown seventy seven yards. Andy
Speaker 3: Dalton finding AJ Green, who roasted the rookie cornerback true
Speaker 3: Davy is.
Speaker 1: White boyd goes in motion. Dalton back to throw, steps up,
Speaker 1: heaps it long. AJ Green is watahman.
Speaker 5: He's donning.
Speaker 1: Touchdown.
Speaker 3: Bengals has Ammy. Dalton floated a high rainbow fifty four
Speaker 3: yards down, a touchdown to AJ Green.
Speaker 6: No revis island there.
Speaker 1: It is third and seven at the Pittsburgh twenty five.
Speaker 1: McCarn five yards behind the line, takes a shotgun snap.
Speaker 1: It's a four man rush AJ gunfield for a J Green.
Speaker 4: He cutches in and goes into the end zone.
Speaker 3: Touchdown Bengals a twenty five yard touchdown and the Bengals
Speaker 3: have a one point lead.
Speaker 1: Dalton back to throw. We're down to five seconds left
Speaker 1: in the half. He's gonna throw a high deep hail
Speaker 1: Mary pass into the enz and it.
Speaker 4: Is Baba yeah cod hey Jas takes the catch on.
Speaker 3: The ricochet hail Mary, a forty nine yard touchdown pass
Speaker 3: as a prairie is answered in the end zone. Bye
Speaker 3: Adriel share Amiah Green.
Speaker 1: AJ Green announced his retirement in February and finished his
Speaker 1: career number two in Bengals history in catches, receiving yar
Speaker 1: yards and touchdown grabs behind Chad Johnson. The thirty five
Speaker 1: year old would have almost certainly held all of those
Speaker 1: records if not for injuries that caused him to miss
Speaker 1: half of twenty eighteen and all of twenty nineteen. He'll
Speaker 1: be back in town this weekend to serve as the
Speaker 1: Ruler of the Jungle for the home opener, and I
Speaker 1: caught up with AJ this week. This is the third
Speaker 1: year of the Ruler of the Jungle and I have
Speaker 1: never heard Bengals fans more excited about the selection than
Speaker 1: they are this week for one of the greatest leaders
Speaker 1: in franchise history, AJ Green. AJ, when the team reached out,
Speaker 1: what was your reaction?
Speaker 2: You know, I was a little surprised because it was, uh,
Speaker 2: it's a little early, but I'm on it to come back.
Speaker 2: Me and I it was just like honor man. I
Speaker 2: loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes when a player leaves in free agency, there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of bitterness on both sides for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: but that certainly did not appear to be the case
Speaker 1: with you. Why do you still have such great feelings
Speaker 1: about the franchise in the city.
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's just we didn't leave on
Speaker 2: bad terms. It's just every good thing has to end.
Speaker 2: And I understood the business side of football. Like I said, man,
Speaker 2: it took care. Took care of me for ten years,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't last ten years in
Speaker 2: one spot. So I'm very honored the last that long
Speaker 2: in one organization. And they were the first organization gave
Speaker 2: me my chance. And you know, they're just great people.
Speaker 2: The Brown family are great people, man. And I you know,
Speaker 2: they hand out all my situations, even when I got hurt,
Speaker 2: there's always out of respect and and that's the least
Speaker 2: I can do, is you know, come back and uh
Speaker 2: be a fan and and uh just I just want
Speaker 2: that organization to win Bushal Mike Brown. I just want
Speaker 2: Mike Brown to get one.
Speaker 1: When you left, you didn't really get a chance to
Speaker 1: say goodbye in person, and Bengals fans didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to give you the tribute that they would have
Speaker 1: liked to have given you. Does this ceremony feel like
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you know, when you leave and you
Speaker 2: still you still want to play, it's a little bittersweet
Speaker 2: because you've you envisioned yourself leaving on a higher note.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't the case. So coming back here after
Speaker 2: everything's done, you know what I'm done playing is sweet.
Speaker 2: It's better than I'm being somewhere else. And then I
Speaker 2: got to come back. But to be done with football
Speaker 2: and come back to the place that I became AJ
Speaker 2: Green is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Let's turn the clock back to April of twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: The Panthers take Cam Newton with the first pick, the
Speaker 1: Broncos take Von Miller with the second, the Bills take
Speaker 1: mister big stuff Marcel Darius with a third, and now
Speaker 1: the Bengals are on the clock. Did you know you
Speaker 1: were going to be the pick? And what do you
Speaker 1: remember about that night? Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, the crazy thing. I didn't know I was going
Speaker 2: to the Bengals because I had got a call from
Speaker 2: Atlanta and I'm like, oh, are you going to Atlanta?
Speaker 2: But I guess it's somebody playing tricks on me, like
Speaker 2: we made the pick, Like I'm made from my phone
Speaker 2: at the four or four and I'm like, what in
Speaker 2: the world's going on? Like Atlanta don't have the fourth pick,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, we're taking you. We got the fourth pick,
Speaker 2: and I hung up. I'm like this is weird and
Speaker 2: then I got a five to one to three number
Speaker 2: calling me in this herb and we just selected your
Speaker 2: number four. So I'm like, what is going on? And
Speaker 2: he was like, no, You're about to be a Bengal
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, okay, And it's exciting, man, just
Speaker 2: to get my name called that early. The have a
Speaker 2: lot of emotions, all the work that you put in
Speaker 2: your whole life to get to this point, man, it
Speaker 2: paid off and I couldn't be much more happy.
Speaker 1: At that point, Chad Johnson was still on the Bengals roster.
Speaker 1: He didn't get traded for a few months until after
Speaker 1: the draft. Did you think about the possibility of you
Speaker 1: and Chad being teammates?
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm thinking about Chad. I'm thinking about t O.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like Carson. I'm like, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be the young book and go out there just like
Speaker 2: true a little bit. Don't have to be you don't
Speaker 2: have to do too much, learn from the guy, learn
Speaker 2: from some future Hall of famers, and uh got time
Speaker 2: to develop. And but that wasn't the case, No, it
Speaker 2: was not.
Speaker 1: After picking you in round one, the Bengals obviously took
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton round two and for eight years. It was
Speaker 1: the Andy and a J Show. Did the two of
Speaker 1: you hit it off right away? And if so, why, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course. I think for us to come in together,
Speaker 2: you know, you when you come in with your a
Speaker 2: guy in your class, you always create that bond. And
Speaker 2: I think Andy and I created that bond from day one.
Speaker 2: You know, we both come from humble beginnings, both great families,
Speaker 2: and we both had, you know, want to win, and
Speaker 2: he came from a great program at TCU. He did
Speaker 2: some great things, and then we grew up, we grew
Speaker 2: together and to this day we're still like we're family.
Speaker 2: So last week we went out to dinner and uh,
Speaker 2: it was fun, but it's just that's my guy, no
Speaker 2: matter what. Just family.
Speaker 1: Now, your first seven years were basically as good as
Speaker 1: any wide receiver in NFL history. Do you have a
Speaker 1: favorite game, a favorite moment, a favorite catch, any sort
Speaker 1: of favorite thing that sticks out?
Speaker 2: Andy and I were just talking about that, like, well
Speaker 2: with you know some of our favorite moments. I think
Speaker 2: for me it was the Seattle game when Seattle was
Speaker 2: coming off that Super Bowl in twenty fifteen, when we
Speaker 2: beat him at home, when I've had some great catches
Speaker 2: and Andy was playing at the MVP level that year
Speaker 2: before he got hurt. And then probably one of my
Speaker 2: favorite catches probably the playoff game that night game with
Speaker 2: the Steelers, even though we lost. That's probably one of
Speaker 2: the highlights of my career, just scoring that potential game winner.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen that way, but should have happened that way.
Speaker 2: But my best catches, but Seattle game was good, and
Speaker 2: then Baltimore when I had like two hundred yards. That
Speaker 2: was a good game.
Speaker 1: We beat Baltimore there to twenty seven against the Ravens,
Speaker 1: and it's appropriate you are the ruler of the Jungle
Speaker 1: in a game against Baltimore because you tormented the Ravens
Speaker 1: throughout your career. John Harbaugh famously said it would be
Speaker 1: nice just once to cover aj before he retires. Those
Speaker 1: were good Baltimore teams. Is there are reason why defensively
Speaker 1: they did something that kind of played into your skill set?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man. I think they just played a lot of
Speaker 2: main a lot of you know, you versus him, and
Speaker 2: I think their defense is built like that. They also
Speaker 2: start up front great corners. I know Jimmy Smith and
Speaker 2: I always had great battles together, so I got the
Speaker 2: best of the them a couple of times. But you know,
Speaker 2: we used to probably wanted the hardest game, harder hitting games.
Speaker 2: You know, your body feel a little sore, more sore
Speaker 2: than other other weeks. But we played them twice a
Speaker 2: weekend and we just figured each other out some time.
Speaker 1: I asked your former teammate Tyler Boyd about you recently.
Speaker 1: Here's what he said. Aj is one of the greatest
Speaker 1: dudes I ever met. He does everything right. He never
Speaker 1: gets in trouble, never does stupid stuff. He's the perfect
Speaker 1: example of being a football player and a man. That's leadership.
Speaker 1: How did you try to lead for me?
Speaker 2: As you know, Dan, I'm not really the biggest vocal
Speaker 2: person in the room, so I lead more of my
Speaker 2: example of what I do on and off the field.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's just who I am. That's
Speaker 2: how I teach my boys to treat everybody would respect,
Speaker 2: carry yourself with respect on and off, be a good,
Speaker 2: good teammate, be a good leader. I think that's the
Speaker 2: all aspects of it. Being a great athletist, you got
Speaker 2: to have everything, yeah to just not on the field,
Speaker 2: off the field as well. And that's the way I
Speaker 2: carried myself. I wanted to be just as great off
Speaker 2: the field out that I wanted to be on the field.
Speaker 1: You overlapped with Joe Burrow his rookie year. What do
Speaker 1: you think of what Joe has become?
Speaker 2: I had no question. I remember the first meeting. Joe
Speaker 2: stood up and he told that story about when he
Speaker 2: was in high school and one of his friends got
Speaker 2: picked on uh and he cried and he was in
Speaker 2: tears up there, and I'm looking, I'm looking over to
Speaker 2: some of the older guys. I'm like, this guy got it.
Speaker 2: He is a leader of men, and these guys, whoever,
Speaker 2: he whoever's going to be in his room, He's going
Speaker 2: to lead them and they're gonna follow him. And you're
Speaker 2: see in it right now. He's a I call him
Speaker 2: a young Tom Brady, the way he carried hiself. I've
Speaker 2: been around Tom Brady a couple of times, and they
Speaker 2: got the same demeanor.
Speaker 1: You didn't overlap with Jamar Chase. What stands out when
Speaker 1: you watch him play.
Speaker 2: I remember when they drafted Jamal and I got a
Speaker 2: I was talking to Troy after they drafted him, and
Speaker 2: he's like, who is period two? I'm like, he's a
Speaker 2: faster A J. Brown. He's big, physical, but he can
Speaker 2: take take the top off and I and I and
Speaker 2: you can see it. He can make all the hard
Speaker 2: catches and then he can just run past you. And
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But the Bengals they gonna draft great receivers.
Speaker 2: That's another one. Coming Churches with two with tv T.
Speaker 2: So it's the same thing Chad from Chad Uh, from
Speaker 2: Chad to TJ to Chris Henry to me, Marv Moe
Speaker 2: and now tv UH Chase and T and Uh and
Speaker 2: T Man. It's just the Bengals got the recipe. So
Speaker 2: if you want to receive you better, you better talk
Speaker 2: to Duke about this.
Speaker 1: So when the Bengals made the Super Bowl two years ago,
Speaker 1: you actually reactivated your Instagram account in order to congratulate
Speaker 1: the players in the city of Cincinnati. What were your
Speaker 1: emotions like during that Super Bowl run? You just been
Speaker 1: with the team the year before.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I wish, I wanted, I wanted to
Speaker 2: be a part of that, but it didn't happen that
Speaker 2: where I think, But I was happy for those guys.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for the city of Cincinnati because you know,
Speaker 2: I went to Arizona and you know, I seen the
Speaker 2: other side of it, and Cincinnati fans are unbelievable the
Speaker 2: way they fight for the team. Even when we're within winning,
Speaker 2: the stadium will still packed. I'm in Arizona and we
Speaker 2: eight no and the stadium is still not packed. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, this is a little different from Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and I was just happy for the team. I'm happy
Speaker 2: for the guys because I know the work that they
Speaker 2: put in, man, and that's a harder compliment to get to.
Speaker 2: But I was just rooting for them because I know
Speaker 2: the what it took to to get where they're at.
Speaker 2: To that level. Man, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the current team. They had a
Speaker 1: subpar performance in Week one. Obviously, that happens from time
Speaker 1: to time. What would be your advice to the guys
Speaker 1: if you had the opportunity to visit with them?
Speaker 2: Sweet And I don't think there's nothing I can tell them.
Speaker 2: I think they they already played at the highest level
Speaker 2: and that's playing in the super Bowl, So I understand
Speaker 2: they know, you know, I think when that that that
Speaker 2: year they had that run, or even last year they
Speaker 2: started up er and to you know, Joe missed a
Speaker 2: lot of a training game, so he still still got
Speaker 2: to get the feeldback. So it's a long season. They
Speaker 2: canna be fine. They got a great tief defense, great offense,
Speaker 2: and they lived by one of the greatest and that's
Speaker 2: and that's in Joe, And I think they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: This is the first time that you've been healthy and
Speaker 1: not playing football in the fall since you were a
Speaker 1: little kid. What do you miss and what are you
Speaker 1: doing to keep busy?
Speaker 2: You know, I think I thought I was gonna miss playing,
Speaker 2: but I don't, not at all. I don't have that itch,
Speaker 2: not yet as as now. But I just met the
Speaker 2: biggest things being in the locker room with the guys
Speaker 2: talking and you know, just talking about everything, playing the games, betting,
Speaker 2: you know, just little just little guy stuff. But I
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest thing is it's the locker room.
Speaker 2: But the game, playing the game and practicing. Nah, I
Speaker 2: don't miss that at all. I don't miss that out.
Speaker 2: But right now I'm just being my boys. I coached
Speaker 2: both of their teams, and I playing playing a lot
Speaker 2: of golf. I just played golf yesterday. Uh so I'm
Speaker 2: staying very active. I said, we got a dog now,
Speaker 2: So I get up six o'clock in the morning, take
Speaker 2: the dog out, get my coffee, give my little breakfast,
Speaker 2: and get the boys ready for school. Take the boys
Speaker 2: to school, come back, get a little tea time.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 1: I know you've been back to Cincinnati once. What are
Speaker 1: you looking forward to on this return trip. Whether it's
Speaker 1: seeing people, whether it's seeing something, what are you looking
Speaker 1: forward to?
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's just getting back to the city.
Speaker 2: I know my wife and my family are very excited
Speaker 2: to get hit the restaurants and the pre sinc and
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I'm excited to get my boys
Speaker 2: around the players because it easy. Loves football, uh Jo Burrow,
Speaker 2: Dramaal Chase TVT. He loves That's all he does. He
Speaker 2: played with the Bengals all day in Madden, so it'd
Speaker 2: be excited for him to see them on a few
Speaker 2: see them in person. So I'm excited for that with
Speaker 2: my wife and I we are excited to get back
Speaker 2: to the city man and see some people that we
Speaker 2: you know, grew up with and watch us grew as
Speaker 2: we grew into a family as well. So I got
Speaker 2: some friends out there that's gonna come to a game.
Speaker 1: So Bengals fans are over the moon that you are
Speaker 1: going to be the ruler of the jungle this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you for a decade of great football in Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and for all you have meant to this franchise. I
Speaker 1: appreciate your time today and I look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: you this weekend.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Dan Aj, his wife Miranda, and their two boys will
Speaker 1: be at practice on Saturday before he fires up the
Speaker 1: fans with the Who Day Chant on Sunday before kickoff.
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Speaker 1: lost to the Browns, the Bengals offense really struggled. Cincinnati
Speaker 1: punted on more than half of its drives, and the
Speaker 1: Bengals were the only team in the NFL that did
Speaker 1: not reach the red zone. And after missing most of
Speaker 1: training camp, Joe Burrow only completed fourteen of thirty one passes,
Speaker 1: the first time in his career he's completed fewer than
Speaker 1: half of his throws. Dave Lapham joins me to discuss
Speaker 1: Burrow's bad day, But before we get to that, there
Speaker 1: was important breaking news at practice on Wednesday. This just
Speaker 1: in Joe Burrow got a haircut. This reporter would describe
Speaker 1: it as much shorter on the sides and not quite
Speaker 1: as thick on the top. Naturally, because it's Burrow. He
Speaker 1: was asked about it after practice.
Speaker 7: People were talking about the haircut for all the kids
Speaker 7: out there that want to get a Joe Burrow haircut,
Speaker 7: for a bunch of them, help their care What what
Speaker 7: is it.
Speaker 8: You're looking at it?
Speaker 5: I don't even know what to tell people. Just make
Speaker 5: it happen.
Speaker 6: How do you know it's time to get a haircut.
Speaker 5: When you have a game like that on Sunday?
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 1: Just following up on the haircut, were you just kidding
Speaker 1: about being related to the bad game?
Speaker 2: Your motivation?
Speaker 1: So Joe basically said, you know what, after a game
Speaker 1: like that, the biggest statistical dut of my career so far,
Speaker 1: I needed to change things up. I'm gonna get a haircut.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's the two hundred and twenty five million
Speaker 6: dollar cut. I mean, what the heck? I as well
Speaker 6: sell that's one of the minor celebrations of getting that
Speaker 6: big contract, get the get the hair trimmed. It is uh,
Speaker 6: it is amazing, though, I mean, how would you couldn't
Speaker 6: comprehend every single move you make, every single thing you
Speaker 6: do from a clothing standpoint, from a grooming standpoint, it
Speaker 6: is amazing. Talk about a guy that's under the microscope,
Speaker 6: who well, the magnifying glass for all of it. It
Speaker 6: is Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: So Game one this year was not good for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Is his fiftieth NFL start if you include the playoff
Speaker 1: games that he's been in, and statistically this was the worst.
Speaker 1: He had his worst passer rating fifty two point two.
Speaker 1: He had his fewest yards ever eighty two yards under
Speaker 1: rainy conditions in Cleveland. I did little research about his
Speaker 1: previous bad games, and this amazed me. All right, this
Speaker 1: was his worst passer rating game ever.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next two lowest passer rating games ever were also
Speaker 1: season openers.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: The second worst was last year when he threw four
Speaker 1: interceptions against the Steelers. The third worst was the first
Speaker 1: game of his NFL career against the Chargers back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So out of fifty games, the three worst
Speaker 1: statistically were all season openers.
Speaker 6: And I think you can relate it to COVID on
Speaker 6: one of them didn't have any training camp. You know,
Speaker 6: COVID was an issue. And you start off you don't
Speaker 6: really know what. You don't know yet as far as
Speaker 6: the National Football League, you have a knee injury, you
Speaker 6: have appendicitis, you have calf poll. I mean he has
Speaker 6: never had a training camp. He's never had a full
Speaker 6: training camp. So I mean, as great as he is,
Speaker 6: hot flash.
Speaker 5: He's human. He's a human being.
Speaker 6: And he needs repetition to breed comfort level just like anybody,
Speaker 6: and everybody does. And when he doesn't get it, I
Speaker 6: think you know, you take for granted that he's so
Speaker 6: he's been so good. His skill set is so magnificent
Speaker 6: that the expectation is he doesn't even need to work
Speaker 6: at it to be outstanding. Now, the reason he's outstanding
Speaker 6: is he works at it. And when that's taken away
Speaker 6: from him, when those reps are taken away, and I'm
Speaker 6: mean because he he is so intent and so layser
Speaker 6: focused on those reps and getting them right. When he
Speaker 6: when he misses him, he's going to be rusty. He's
Speaker 6: going to be a tick off. I mean, he was
Speaker 6: a tick off. So many times he got ticked off,
Speaker 6: you know. I mean it was just one of those,
Speaker 6: one of those things. And look at a tape of
Speaker 6: that game, it was amazing how he was just a
Speaker 6: little bit inaccurate compared to the way he normally throws it.
Speaker 6: His receivers weren't making them, they were just sort of
Speaker 6: making the play when he was a little bit off.
Speaker 6: They were a little bit off. He's a little bit off.
Speaker 6: I mean, the whole thing, the whole it just snowballed
Speaker 6: and they never got any any kind of a rhythm
Speaker 6: or timing or anything close to it. But honestly, when
Speaker 6: I when I watched that game again, I think that
Speaker 6: Zach and the coaching staff decided to go to a
Speaker 6: quick passing game because of the medical issue that Joe
Speaker 6: was dealing with. And it's like, we don't want him
Speaker 6: holding the football, subjecting himself to hits or having to
Speaker 6: run around back there and not knowing what the outcome
Speaker 6: might be. So everything was short, intermediate at best to
Speaker 6: the perimeter passing game. And then the rain that we
Speaker 6: talked about, the heavy mist made it very very difficult
Speaker 6: to get the ball out of her hand that quickly.
Speaker 6: He was having problems with it. Put on a glove
Speaker 6: about the third or fourth series, had it off, had
Speaker 6: it back on again. I mean the whole thing. The
Speaker 6: wet ball, you know, was a little bit of a factor.
Speaker 6: And then Schwartz's game plan was the perfect game plan.
Speaker 6: He pressed his coverage, He squeezed the field. I mean,
Speaker 6: he put a lot of different looks on the front
Speaker 6: end and the back end. He inverted coverages. He had
Speaker 6: defensive linemen playing all over inside, outside, giving different looks
Speaker 6: and lining him up in different formations. Schematically, he caused
Speaker 6: some communication issues and they had to eventually make adjustments.
Speaker 6: I mean, he printed a book basically on how to
Speaker 6: defend that short passing game, you know, and I think
Speaker 6: bottom line is better open it up, you know, and
Speaker 6: roll the dice a little bit in terms of what
Speaker 6: the situation is with you. I remember saying, Dan, how
Speaker 6: about if we throw a deep one time just to
Speaker 6: make them defend it, just to loosen things up. How
Speaker 6: about a deep ball? And then right away in the
Speaker 6: second half, got the eighteen yard pass interference and went
Speaker 6: deep again. It was incomplete, but at least, you know,
Speaker 6: it made him do something different. They were just sitting
Speaker 6: on all those short intermediate routes. And I think, I
Speaker 6: don't think that it's not Baltimore's game. Baltimore is a
Speaker 6: team schwartz. The schwartz has the Cleveland Browns attacking at
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage. They want to invert the line
Speaker 6: of scrimmage. They are penetrating, they're hitting get they're attacking.
Speaker 6: Baltimore up front is not read and react, but they
Speaker 6: are a gap control defensive front. And on the back end,
Speaker 6: Cleveland was playing press man and they were They had
Speaker 6: ten guys within five yards of line of scrimmage a
Speaker 6: ton and they were playing press man. Baltimore does not.
Speaker 6: Baltimore plays more zone. So Baltimore is very good upfront
Speaker 6: and very good on the back end like Cleveland is
Speaker 6: from a personnel standpoint, but schematically they're very, very different.
Speaker 1: The Browns did not have a bunch of sacks last Sunday,
Speaker 1: but they did get a lot of pressure on Joep.
Speaker 1: The average time from the snap to the Browns applying
Speaker 1: pressure was one point nine to five seconds, less than
Speaker 1: two seconds. That tied for the sixth fastest since they've
Speaker 1: been measuring that stat beginning in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 6: And that's that's a stat that needs to get better. Obviously,
Speaker 6: there's there's no question about it, and I think it
Speaker 6: will improve. I do think the offensive line, you know,
Speaker 6: as rusty as Joe Burrow was, there were a lot
Speaker 6: of guys that were knocking rust and dust off their uniforms.
Speaker 6: I mean, there were a lot of guys that went
Speaker 6: out there without any live game experience in the preseason,
Speaker 6: working next to each other and alongside, you know, teammates
Speaker 6: and communicating back and forth. I mean, I think Jo
Speaker 6: and as receivers, they were communicating again, just looking at
Speaker 6: each other like what's up, just to tick off, you know,
Speaker 6: it just could not quite just could not quite complete
Speaker 6: the task and never ever got in any kind of
Speaker 6: a rhythm, timing, tempo, None of that was there. And
Speaker 6: I mean third down, jeez, what they go two for
Speaker 6: fifteen and they went one for seven when it was
Speaker 6: third and one to five one for seven. Second third
Speaker 6: down was the third and one they convert the first
Speaker 6: third down. Second one is a third and one they
Speaker 6: don't convert, and then it's just three and out, three
Speaker 6: and out, three and out. I mean they had seven
Speaker 6: three and out possessions I believe during the course of
Speaker 6: the football game and fifteen possessions, but the last one
Speaker 6: was the kneel down one play. So literally half of
Speaker 6: their possessions seven of their fourteen possessions were three and out.
Speaker 1: So went back and did some research on how Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow has historically bounced back from the worst games of
Speaker 1: his career. So, if you look at the three lowest
Speaker 1: passer rating games he ever had before this one, right
Speaker 1: in the next three games, he threw seven touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: one pick, passer rating of ninety five. If you look
Speaker 1: at the three lowest yardage games of his NFL career,
Speaker 1: the three games after that, he had a passer rating
Speaker 1: of one twenty eight point nine. So Joe Burrow has
Speaker 1: always bounced back the next week. We anticipate that he
Speaker 1: will against Baltimore this Sunday, but I wanted to learn
Speaker 1: some more about how he bounces back. So I ask
Speaker 1: this question of offensive coordinator Brian Callahan, what's Burrow like
Speaker 1: after a bad.
Speaker 8: Game the same as he is after a good one,
Speaker 8: which which makes him consistent. I think that's that's the
Speaker 8: name of the game in the NFL. You know, there's seventeen.
Speaker 8: There's seventeen games, and you're gonna play well in some
Speaker 8: and not in others. And some defenses are tough matchups,
Speaker 8: and some games you play outstanding and some games you
Speaker 8: struggle to score points. And I think as long as
Speaker 8: you never really ride that roller coaster of emotional reactions
Speaker 8: to things, and you've come in and fix it needs
Speaker 8: to be fixed when you win, in you lose, and
Speaker 8: then you move on and get ready for the next one.
Speaker 8: And I think that's a pretty standard approach for guys
Speaker 8: like Joe, and I think that's how our team is.
Speaker 8: So so we have to keep doing.
Speaker 6: The interesting thing during the pressure with Joe, you know
Speaker 6: has talked about that. Not only is Joe that way,
Speaker 6: the coaches, you know, Zach Taylor and Brian Callahan talk
Speaker 6: about Joe being that way. Joe talks about them that way.
Speaker 6: The opposite was true. Joe Borrow said that Zach is
Speaker 6: totally consistent in his approach and there's not the roller
Speaker 6: coaster highs and lows. Brian Callahan the exact same way.
Speaker 6: So I do believe that as a football team, it
Speaker 6: starts at the top with Zach to the coordinator, you know,
Speaker 6: to the quarterback to his teammates, compartmentalize and move on.
Speaker 6: Don't ignore it, it happened, Watch the tape, learn from it,
Speaker 6: make any necessary adjustments, and then put it in the bank,
Speaker 6: way back in the memory bank, and move on.
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Speaker 1: the Bengals offense struggled in Cleveland, the defense played pretty well.
Speaker 1: The Browns only scored two touchdowns on fourteen possessions, and
Speaker 1: one of those TV drives lasted eighteen yards. I discussed
Speaker 1: last week's game and this week's matchup against the Ravens
Speaker 1: with linebacker Logan. Logan is a fan. When your team
Speaker 1: has a rough game, it lingers until the next game.
Speaker 1: As a player, how quickly do you move on?
Speaker 5: Twenty four hour rule.
Speaker 9: That's our mindset, you know, learn from the mistakes that
Speaker 9: we were in that game and learn from the good
Speaker 9: things as well.
Speaker 5: But it's on to Baltimore this week after twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: I've got a buddy who's a diehard Bengals fan. When
Speaker 1: the team loses, he watches recorded episodes of America's Funniest
Speaker 1: Home videos just so he can completely put it out
Speaker 1: of his mind. Do you do anything like that or
Speaker 1: do you kind of replay the game until that twenty
Speaker 1: four hour rule is finished?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's kind of you know, replay like
Speaker 9: maybe certain plays that you think you messed.
Speaker 5: Up on that you want to be better on.
Speaker 9: You and then just like I said, you just learned
Speaker 9: from it, and then at the end of the day
Speaker 9: you try to get your body right to go.
Speaker 1: The next week, we're chatting with Logan Wilson. The defense
Speaker 1: played well. You four seven punts, you had two takeaways.
Speaker 1: If not for an eighteen yard drive in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: the Browns probably wouldn't have scored twenty points. What did
Speaker 1: you think of the defense as overall performance?
Speaker 9: You know, I thought we did some things really well.
Speaker 9: I think there's some things that we still need to
Speaker 9: continue to do better at. Obviously them scoring too many
Speaker 9: points is the biggest thing, and just continuing to learn
Speaker 9: from those those good things, like forcing those those turnovers,
Speaker 9: those are huge. The more often that we can get
Speaker 9: the ball back to our offense, the better off we're
Speaker 9: going to be as a team. And we understand that,
Speaker 9: and so we're always trying to find ways to hunt
Speaker 9: the ball, and I think that's a big thing for us.
Speaker 5: To go on moving forward.
Speaker 1: It was a wet, sloppy day. It was obviously hard
Speaker 1: to throw the ball. How was the footing?
Speaker 5: Footing was was average to say the least.
Speaker 9: It wasn't It wasn't horrible, but just because really because
Speaker 9: the grass was kind of brand new. It was the
Speaker 9: first game on that grass before it gets all torn
Speaker 9: out throughout the year, which is probably good.
Speaker 5: But I was not expecting it to rain that much.
Speaker 9: I remember checking the forecast that morning it was like
Speaker 9: fifteen percent chance of rain and just decided to rain
Speaker 9: the whole game.
Speaker 5: So it was it was weird.
Speaker 1: You didn't come out. You were in for all seventy
Speaker 1: four defensive snap snaps. Jermaine Pratt played sixty six of
Speaker 1: the seventy four. Is that a big point pride for
Speaker 1: the two of you, that you don't have to come out,
Speaker 1: whether it's first down, third and long whatever.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we pride ourselves on being able to play all
Speaker 9: three downs, and you know, We push each other within
Speaker 9: the schemes of our defense to do things that you know,
Speaker 9: we might not have done in the past, and we're
Speaker 9: always trying to grow from each other and learn. And
Speaker 9: I think that having that mindset of like just never
Speaker 9: being satisfied has helped us grow into the players we
Speaker 9: are and will continue to help us move forward.
Speaker 1: We're visiting with Logan Wilson after last year's playoff lost
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I remember talking to Jermaine in front
Speaker 1: of his locker and I was thinking, this is probably
Speaker 1: the last time I do this. I didn't seem likely
Speaker 1: that he would re sign, just because of the contract
Speaker 1: situations on the team. Then on the first day of
Speaker 1: free agency, signed a three year extension. Were you a
Speaker 1: bit surprised? What was your reaction?
Speaker 9: I mean, I was a little bit surprised too. I
Speaker 9: wasn't sure if we were going to get him back.
Speaker 9: But you know, I'm obviously exact that he came back
Speaker 9: and that we got to continue what him and I
Speaker 9: have going forward. And I think that, you know, we
Speaker 9: can continue to establish ourselves as one of the best
Speaker 9: linebacker duos in the NFL. And you know, I think
Speaker 9: that having that continuity is so rare in this league,
Speaker 9: you know, Like for him and I to be going
Speaker 9: in now year four together, I think is rare to
Speaker 9: have that. And I think that he and I both
Speaker 9: know and trust each other of what we're going to
Speaker 9: do on each play, and it helps us just play fast,
Speaker 9: and you know, we can talk through things pre snap
Speaker 9: that help us be on the right page, you know,
Speaker 9: within that play.
Speaker 1: You got your extension done about a month ago, so
Speaker 1: you're going to be here for at least four more years,
Speaker 1: which were thrilled about. What was that whole process like
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 5: I kind of just let my agent take care of that.
Speaker 9: You know, at the end of the day, I was
Speaker 9: just trying to to better my craft on the field
Speaker 9: and help our defense as a whole start to gel,
Speaker 9: you know, some new guys back there, and I really
Speaker 9: didn't worry about it a whole lot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: Obviously I was in contact with my agent and we
Speaker 9: were exchanging words with what was going on and whatnot,
Speaker 9: and you know, I'm very excited and exetic that it.
Speaker 5: Was able to get done.
Speaker 1: You're a wyoming guy. Is there a big plot of
Speaker 1: land in your future? Will you buy horses? Will you
Speaker 1: and your wife see the world. What are some of
Speaker 1: the things you have planned?
Speaker 9: I think, well, you know, we'll eventually build our like
Speaker 9: forever home back there in Wyoming. I think we're trying
Speaker 9: to work on that right now, but we haven't bought
Speaker 9: any land yet. That'll be in the future.
Speaker 5: One thing.
Speaker 9: Not gonna worry about that stuff right now during the season.
Speaker 9: We can look into that kind of stuff in the
Speaker 9: off season.
Speaker 1: Let's look ahead to this week's opponent, Baltimore. In your
Speaker 1: first three seasons, they were going to try to run
Speaker 1: it down your throat. Now they've got a new offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator who came from the college ranks. Do you expect
Speaker 1: them to be much different?
Speaker 5: There'll be some differences, for sure, you know.
Speaker 9: I think that there they'll have some stuff that their
Speaker 9: offensive coordinator ran at Georgia, and then they'll have some
Speaker 9: stuff that they've kind of ran in the past. It'll
Speaker 9: be different with more past concepts. You know, we know
Speaker 9: what to we don't mean, it's always hard to know
Speaker 9: what to expect because you get preseason guys and they
Speaker 9: don't always show our preseason games and they always show everything.
Speaker 9: But they're starting to show some stuff obviously in the
Speaker 9: Houston game, and you know, well, at the end of
Speaker 9: the day, we'll rely on our rules and fundamentals to
Speaker 9: adjust to whatever they throw at us.
Speaker 1: You played these guys in back to back games at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, final game of the regular season,
Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs. Does it feel like you
Speaker 1: just played Baltimore?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 9: Not really, honestly, just because it was a while ago.
Speaker 9: But you know, I think that they're always They're always
Speaker 9: a tough opponent. It's always those division games are always tough,
Speaker 9: and I think we have one of, if not the
Speaker 9: best division in the National Football League right now, and
Speaker 9: so we always have our hands full playing him, and
Speaker 9: we always look forward to the challenge.
Speaker 1: In that playoff game, you had a hand, actually two
Speaker 1: hands in the most famous defensive play in Bengals history,
Speaker 1: the fumble into jungle. You forced it, Sam ran it
Speaker 1: back for the touchdown. Do you have a framed picture
Speaker 1: of it or any sort of keepsake as a memory
Speaker 1: of that great moment.
Speaker 9: Well, it's funny because that football that Sam ended up
Speaker 9: scoring with was in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: And when the family it came down.
Speaker 9: When I did that softball game during OTAs we went
Speaker 9: down to the Canton before we left for the summer,
Speaker 9: after which he has has finished and got to see
Speaker 9: that picture in the Profoball Hall of Fame with that football,
Speaker 9: So it was pretty cool to see that. I mean,
Speaker 9: I'll always have Eventually, I'll probably get a frame photo
Speaker 9: of that because I think that's going to be an
Speaker 9: Alzheimer for me.
Speaker 1: There's no question that that's going to be an Alzheimer
Speaker 1: for all of us, and we look forward to the
Speaker 1: next Alzheimer whenever that happens. Best of luck this week.
Speaker 1: Thanks much for the time as always, and beat the Ravens.
Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: In Lamar Jackson's five NFL seasons, the Bengals have faced
Speaker 1: the Ravens eleven times, including last year's playoff game. Baltimore
Speaker 1: is six and one when Lamar starts and zero to
Speaker 1: five when he doesn't. Lamar's missed the last three meetings
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Speaker 1: inside the Bengals app. The Bengals appear to be in
Speaker 1: good shape in terms of injuries heading into Sunday's game.
Speaker 1: Josephsi practiced on a limited basis on Wednesday, and it
Speaker 1: sounds like there's a good chance he'll be able to
Speaker 1: go on Sunday. The Ravens, on the other hand, have issues.
Speaker 1: Their best running back JK Dobbins suffered a season ending
Speaker 1: achilles tear last week, and offensive lineman Ronnie Stanley and
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum both left the opener with injuries. They're considered
Speaker 1: week to week. Safety Marcus Williams suffered a pectoral injury,
Speaker 1: so he's definitely out, and their best cornerback Marlon Humphrey
Speaker 1: had foot surgery in mid August and did not play
Speaker 1: in the opener. Lap and I discussed those injuries and
Speaker 1: much more with Ravens broadcaster Jerry Sandusky when he joined
Speaker 1: us on the Bengals Game Plan Show.
Speaker 7: Other than that, Missus Lincoln, you're gonna love the second
Speaker 7: act of the play. Look, I think you're gonna see
Speaker 7: the Ravens have to make a lot of ajustice on
Speaker 7: the offensive line the rest of the season. They've got
Speaker 7: adjust to the backfield. I doubt we'll see Marlon Humphy
Speaker 7: since they didn't practice day, so you know Week two
Speaker 7: and you know, the Ravens new offense really now becomes
Speaker 7: an offense that has to adjust on the fly.
Speaker 6: Speaking of new offense, offensive coordinator Todd Monkin plenty of
Speaker 6: experience as a coordinator in the National Football League and
Speaker 6: then with University of Georgia National championship run. What kind
Speaker 6: of a coach is he, Jerry.
Speaker 7: He's terrific. I'm so impressed with Todd Munkins because he
Speaker 7: empowers his players and he puts He gives his players
Speaker 7: a lot of latitude in this offense to make adjustments.
Speaker 7: You know, Lamar for the first five years of his career,
Speaker 7: play comes in thinking about a helmet, falls, the huddle,
Speaker 7: run the play, whether you know it's gonna work or not.
Speaker 7: In Monkin's offense, Lamar comes to the line. He can
Speaker 7: adjust protection, he can read the defense. Now, he can
Speaker 7: call audibles, and he can suggest things and so it's
Speaker 7: much more of a conversation. It's much more. And Dave,
Speaker 7: I don't care if you are in football broadcast, if
Speaker 7: you sell dining room tables for a living. When the
Speaker 7: employees feel like they are involved in the decision making,
Speaker 7: they're going to put their heart and soul, not just
Speaker 7: their hands in the back into it, and long term,
Speaker 7: I think you're gonna see really good results because of that.
Speaker 6: So you're saying he empowers people.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 7: Completely really impressed with Todd Monkin.
Speaker 1: We are visiting with the Ravens radio voice Jerry Sandusky.
Speaker 1: Baltimore has drafted some wide receivers in the first round
Speaker 1: in recent years. It hasn't always worked out, but it
Speaker 1: looks like it might be working out this time. Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers taken twenty second overall. He had nine catches last week,
Speaker 1: and based on everything I've read about training camp, sounds
Speaker 1: like Zay Flowers is exactly what the Ravens were hoping
Speaker 1: for when they took him, and.
Speaker 7: It's what they've been looking for in the draft since
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety six. They've never found that guy. They found
Speaker 7: him in Zay Flowers. Dan, you know, the Ravens are
Speaker 7: the only NFL team that have never drafted a Pro
Speaker 7: Bowl wide receiver ever, no Pro Bowl wide receivers. And
Speaker 7: I'm not I't believe me. I'm not elevating the rookie
Speaker 7: to Pro Bowl already, but he's already had the best
Speaker 7: first game of any Ravens rookie, I almost double the
Speaker 7: number of reception. He's got quickness, he's got football IQ.
Speaker 7: He's He's the kind of guy that if you get
Speaker 7: him the ball in space. Remember how you felt about
Speaker 7: Jamar Shase the first time you saw him, he realized, Okay,
Speaker 7: he's got to get in the ball. He's going to
Speaker 7: make plays. He's a different style than Jamar, but he
Speaker 7: has the same quality of get him the ball some way, anyway,
Speaker 7: he'll make plays.
Speaker 6: What about the running game, I mean, do you think
Speaker 6: that uh, basically Todd Munkin and John Harbaugh based put
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson under wraps or did Houston take away Lamar
Speaker 6: Jackson as an option running the football when he was
Speaker 6: doing the you know, the RPOs, his own reads and
Speaker 6: that kind of thing. It will Lamar Jackson be as
Speaker 6: big a running threat quarterback run threat as he's been
Speaker 6: in the pastund Todd Munkin, Dave.
Speaker 7: I think he's going to be as big a run threat,
Speaker 7: but from a different angle. What I mean by that
Speaker 7: is the in the Greg Roman offense, the read option
Speaker 7: was the base of that offense. Along with power running
Speaker 7: ISO's trap that was the base of the offense and
Speaker 7: everything worked off of that. The Reid option is part
Speaker 7: of this offense. You'll see it some weeks, it will
Speaker 7: be a lot of weeks you don't see it. Where
Speaker 7: Lamar's going to get his yardage is this is more
Speaker 7: of a West Coast spread the defense horizontally offense. Well,
Speaker 7: when you spread out of defense, you will eventually give
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson big running lane and if the passing opportunity
Speaker 7: is not there, he'll get chunk yardage extending plays. And
Speaker 7: I think you're going to start seeking this point forward
Speaker 7: in Lamar's career, getting his running yardage as secondary not primary.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jerry, two years ago in this rivalry, in the
Speaker 1: two games, Joe Burrow threw for nine hunty one yards
Speaker 1: and the Bengals scored forty one points in each game.
Speaker 1: Last year, he never topped two twenty against Baltimore. The
Speaker 1: Bengals offense never scored more than twenty. Does Baltimore feel
Speaker 1: like it's got a pretty good formula for keeping the
Speaker 1: Bengals offense in check?
Speaker 7: So? I think they did last year, but I don't
Speaker 7: know about this year because two years ago they felt
Speaker 7: like they did and they gave up a thousand yards.
Speaker 7: It's one of those things with this rivalry. There are
Speaker 7: a lot of really good coaches in this rivalry. I
Speaker 7: think Zach Taylor has evolved into a terrific young head
Speaker 7: coach in this league. I think lou Hana Rumo is
Speaker 7: one of the best defensive coordinators in the entire league.
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, the Ravens has some really
Speaker 7: I've told you how much I think of Mike of
Speaker 7: Todd Monkin. Mike McDonald is now in his second year
Speaker 7: and he's a terrific young coordinator. So I think we're
Speaker 7: gonna see games where the defense really does a great
Speaker 7: job putting lid on. But look, both of these teams
Speaker 7: now have big time playmakers. We haven't even talked about
Speaker 7: Objays as well as A Flowers, Mark Andrews. With what
Speaker 7: you got in that and that received, there's gonna be
Speaker 7: Sundays where defensive coordinators do great jobs, and there's gonna
Speaker 7: be Sundays where playmakers make plays. I don't think anybody
Speaker 7: involved in this rivalry is either arrogant enough or dumb
Speaker 7: enough to think they've got the formula to stop the
Speaker 7: other guy. Sunday in and Sunday out.
Speaker 6: You know defensively, when I look at both of these units,
Speaker 6: a lot healthy dose to respect for what the Baltimore
Speaker 6: Ravens have up front, healthy dose respect respect the same
Speaker 6: way for the Bengals and the back end. Now you know,
Speaker 6: the Bengals have a lot of young talent in the
Speaker 6: back end. The Ravens got some talent on the back
Speaker 6: end as well. But the position group that doesn't get
Speaker 6: talked about as much but is really good the linebackers.
Speaker 6: I mean, Smith and Queen combined for what twenty seven
Speaker 6: tackles in the first game. Logan Wilson and Jermaine Pratt
Speaker 6: played at an extremely high level for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 6: They're three down linebackers. It might come down to which
Speaker 6: dynamic duo is the most dynamic at linebacker.
Speaker 7: It was wild you brought it up because I was
Speaker 7: doing game preps a little bit before I jumped on
Speaker 7: the call with you guys, and one of the big
Speaker 7: things that I circled was this might be the best
Speaker 7: matchup of inside linebackers we'll see all year until we
Speaker 7: see the Bengals again later down this year, because both
Speaker 7: defenses rely so heavily. The green dot is inside that group.
Speaker 7: For both teams. The big tackle numbers are inside that group.
Speaker 7: The sacks are driven from that group. And when I
Speaker 7: watched the tape, I see Jermaine Pratt, Logan Wilson doing
Speaker 7: a lot of what I see from Rokwan Smith and
Speaker 7: Patrick Queen. They're moving guys in front of them, They're
Speaker 7: checking the secondary. They're the brains of the unit, They're
Speaker 7: the heart of the unit, and they really have become
Speaker 7: mirror groups who are huge impacts. We're going to talk
Speaker 7: a lot Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson, but I think
Speaker 7: the outcome on Sunday is going to be which one
Speaker 7: of these two inside linebacker groups has a bigger impact
Speaker 7: on the game.
Speaker 6: And finally, and freciate you, as always, Jerry, special teams.
Speaker 6: You can never talk about a coach harball team without
Speaker 6: addressing the special teams because everybody knows it's so important
Speaker 6: to him. How do you see the special teams match
Speaker 6: up in this one?
Speaker 7: Well, I think if either offense gets the ball the midfield,
Speaker 7: you're a scoring age. And I'm not think Justin Tucker
Speaker 7: and Evan McPherson have the strongest legs and the most
Speaker 7: accurate deep legs in the NFL. The two guys I
Speaker 7: feel bad for are the kick returners because they might
Speaker 7: as well take Sunday off because unless the teams want
Speaker 7: to kick it high and short and want to force
Speaker 7: a return, there will be no kick returns in this game.
Speaker 7: And that you know, really, when you think about it,
Speaker 7: if you're the offensive coordinators, you can literally look at
Speaker 7: this and say, I only have to chew up half
Speaker 7: the field to get points. There are there aren't many
Speaker 7: offensive coordinators who say the fifty yard line gives me
Speaker 7: a shot at scoring, and everything in there just increases
Speaker 7: my likelihood of points. Again, you know, these two teams
Speaker 7: have evolved into a lot of similar ways. Great edge
Speaker 7: pass rushers, great young quarterbacks, explosive wide receivers, terrific inside linebackers.
Speaker 7: And you've got a third year kicker whose world class,
Speaker 7: and we've got a twelve year kicker whose world class.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of parallels and Mike variance, Dave, and
Speaker 7: I think you've probably feel similar is that when you
Speaker 7: put two teams on the field, the coaches know each other,
Speaker 7: players know each other, The talent level so high, a
Speaker 7: lot of equals. It just comes down to which playmaker
Speaker 7: is going to make a plays one o'clock on Sunday.
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