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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Carol Markowitz Show on the

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast network on iHeartRadio. One of the

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Speaker 1: things we're going to be talking about a lot on

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Speaker 1: this show is how we're lied to about marriage and

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Speaker 1: kids and generally about family life.

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Speaker 2: There was a viral video on TikTok recently.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not on TikTok, I'm on Instagram like a

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Speaker 1: grown up, and so I see the tiktoks as reels

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Speaker 1: three weeks later.

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Speaker 2: But I saw this one and it really stuck with me.

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Speaker 1: In it, the girl is accepting an engagement ring, and

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Speaker 1: as she pushes her finger through the ring, it flashes

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Speaker 1: to her.

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Speaker 2: Life becoming one of drudgery.

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Speaker 1: She's doing laundry, she's washing floors, she's rocking a baby,

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Speaker 1: and when she takes her finger out of the ring,

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Speaker 1: it's back to her regular life. The ring is what

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Speaker 1: locks her into this terrible, difficult life. So the conversation

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Speaker 1: around this clip is that some people believe it's anti

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Speaker 1: marriage propaganda from China, and maybe it is. I should

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Speaker 1: ask my EXCIA friend Buck Sexton what he thinks. But

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Speaker 1: I have a few thoughts overall on this clip. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, does this woman not do laundry or

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Speaker 1: clean her house currently.

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Speaker 2: I remember single life. It was a lot of doing.

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Speaker 1: Laundry alone and making my bed alone and cleaning up alone.

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Speaker 1: Now I do the majority of the housework, but I

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Speaker 1: also work at my job a lot fewer hours than

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Speaker 1: my husband does at his, and I absolutely have help

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Speaker 1: from him, like, Babe, can you put the clothes in

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Speaker 1: the dryer? Babe? Can you unload the dishwasher? Yes, we

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Speaker 1: call each other babe. But two, it's interesting that people

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Speaker 1: think this is propaganda from China. Now, why would China

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Speaker 1: want to discourage Americans from getting married. Aren't they afraid

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Speaker 1: of independent girl bosses and fifty year old men who

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Speaker 1: act like they're twenty in the club. It's believable that

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Speaker 1: a video like this would come from an adversary because

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Speaker 1: deep down, no matter how many videos Chelsea Handler puts

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Speaker 1: out on how much she loves sleeping alone, we know

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Speaker 1: that marriage is.

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Speaker 2: A worthy goal.

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Speaker 1: Couples who are married are more successful, they make and

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Speaker 1: save more money, they live healthier lifestyles.

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Speaker 2: There's just an array.

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Speaker 1: Of benefits to getting married that are not debatable, and

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Speaker 1: that maybe China doesn't want our people to have there's

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Speaker 1: also just, you know, being around someone you love and

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Speaker 1: who loves you and wants to make you happy. It's

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Speaker 1: all very nice. I can tell you that I bought

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Speaker 1: into this lie in my twenties, before I started dating

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Speaker 1: my husband. I never wanted to get married. I used

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Speaker 1: to wake up in cold sweats having had a nightmare

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Speaker 2: Somehow.

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Speaker 1: I was immature, and yes I was dating the wrong people,

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Speaker 1: but I also believed that marriage was the end of life.

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Speaker 1: Kids were so boring. I did not want to be boring.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have an exciting life. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: that line in the old movie when Harry met Sally

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Speaker 1: when she says that they always talked about how they

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Speaker 1: could fly off to Paris on a moment's notice, but

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Speaker 2: That was me.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be free and available to fly to

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Speaker 1: Paris on a moment's notice and.

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Speaker 2: Listen, while I had a good time.

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Speaker 1: In my single days, stuff like that really didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm much more likely to take a trip to Paris today,

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Speaker 1: and it might not be at a moment's notice because

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Speaker 1: the kids have a lot of sports. The lie is

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Speaker 1: that marriage and family are the end, but it is

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Speaker 1: a lie. Stability and family life opens doors to happiness

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Speaker 1: that were not open before. Doors you might not even

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Speaker 1: know exist. You're going to be doing laundry and washing

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Speaker 1: your floors with or without your spe may as well

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Speaker 1: to Paris. The other lie is that you have to

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Speaker 1: pursue your career before settling down, and this lie is

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Speaker 1: often specifically sold to men. This is absolutely backwards. When

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Speaker 1: your job and pursue opportunities. Married men make more money

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Speaker 2: It also just makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: The guy's wipe being on Tinder every night just isn't

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Speaker 2: But it's true for women too.

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Speaker 1: A pupil in twenty twenty one found that coupled women

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. And I say this all the time,

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Speaker 1: know that that trope exists. I have heard it many

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Speaker 1: times of the busy career woman who just forgot to

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Speaker 1: let's be real, meeting the right person is often also

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Speaker 1: the luck of the draw. You have to be open

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Speaker 1: to it, yes, but there's some luck involved. As I

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Speaker 1: said earlier, I didn't want to get married when I

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Speaker 1: discarding the bad ideas that had taken hold in my

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Speaker 1: mind about what marriage is or is not. If you're

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Speaker 1: a single person, whether a man or a woman, and

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this and you're thinking, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I know marriage is the best, but I haven't met

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Speaker 1: my person. Know that I understand. I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: I see you. I'm rooting for you. I know it's

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Speaker 1: not easy, and I hate that you get criticized for

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Speaker 1: being unmarried. I hope that the advice that I will

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Speaker 1: offer in later episodes will help you in your search,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you do find your person because

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Speaker 1: it is something great and I want you to be

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Speaker 1: a part of it. My final comment is that it's

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Speaker 1: very hard for people to see their lives in the future,

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Speaker 1: and this is partially why they're susceptible to the lie

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Speaker 1: that marriage is the end of the fun life. The

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Speaker 1: that is what will happen. They imagine that these fun

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Speaker 1: also the people who discount the right person because it

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Speaker 1: eras do come to a close, and that's not a

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Speaker 1: bad thing, but I think it needs to be clarified

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Speaker 1: that sure, marry young if you've met the right person,

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Speaker 1: don't marry young just to marry young.

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Speaker 2: We'll get more.

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Speaker 1: Into all of these ideas in future episodes, and I

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Speaker 1: do hope you listen along. If you'd like for me

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Speaker 1: to answer your questions or offer my advice, the email

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Speaker 1: is Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com, and I'd.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is my friend Buck Sexton, co host

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Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Buck, Hey, Carol, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Did you petition to make it the Buck Sexton and

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Show or no?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I always liked to be the guy that everyone can

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Speaker 3: count on to just carry my side.

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Speaker 4: The thing, I don't make any petitions, So I.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to ask you a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like I know you quite well,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't know the answer to some of these.

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Speaker 2: So did you always want to be in radio?

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Speaker 4: Definitely, definitely not.

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Speaker 3: I was somebody who was a CIA officer because I had,

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Speaker 3: you know, nine to eleven happened, and I just was

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Speaker 3: one of those people who thought I was in college

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Speaker 4: And so senior year, I mean it happened.

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Speaker 3: When I was a sophomore, I was studying Midia's politics

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Speaker 4: And they're like, what do you want to do? Buck?

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Speaker 3: And it was a little weird because I didn't really

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Speaker 3: So I did that for years, and then I did

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Speaker 3: NYPD and Tellen's Division, and then long story short, Glenn

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Speaker 3: Beck found me, like just found word of me and

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Speaker 3: That's that's about ten years of my life condensed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 1: Actually, my very first time on TV was on Blaze

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Speaker 2: So, you know, long long road to get here.

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Speaker 1: Were we nice to you? There was a lot nice. No,

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Speaker 1: you guys were super nice. Yeah, it was you, It

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Speaker 1: was Will Kine, it was se Cup. You guys were

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 1: So you have the best, the biggest radio show in

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Speaker 1: the country, and you know the let's say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, do you feel like you've made it?

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Speaker 3: to do a better show. I think that every day

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Speaker 4: I think that in our business you have to.

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Speaker 3: You can really go astray and start to drive yourself

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Speaker 3: serve Russia's audience every day because I still it's you know,

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Speaker 3: an audience that rush built over thirty thirty plus years.

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Speaker 3: So no, I mean, I'm writing a book right now

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Speaker 3: it feels like I'm breaking like rocks with my bare fists.

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Speaker 4: Every day. I'm just like, make this stop, make this stop.

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Speaker 2: So what's it like to lead a public life?

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Speaker 4: Although I don't have a beard anywhere.

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Speaker 3: I don't know Carol, do you Carol knows my wife

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Speaker 2: Like, whatever you do, look super young, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I would say this people when they know you from radio,

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Speaker 4: They're just like they'll jump right into it. There's no TV.

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Speaker 1: So absolutely, did you see that story you know about

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Speaker 4: It's it's actually a problem for me. Like in life.

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Speaker 4: So it's funny because people are all this is my.

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Speaker 3: code we can go Stern.

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Speaker 1: Howard Stern is all offended by this and thinks that

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Speaker 3: and I you know, I occasionally would hear it a

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Speaker 3: little bit back in the day in the nineties when

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, younger and everything. I always just

445
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Speaker 3: thought it was and I know, this is like, oh,

446
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Speaker 3: you're such a nerd. I just always thought a lot

447
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Speaker 3: of it was really distasteful and kind of mean.

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Speaker 2: And not fun.

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Speaker 1: I would have been okay with the crudeness if it

450
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Speaker 1: made me laugh, but it never made me laugh.

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Speaker 4: If you strike me as.

452
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Speaker 3: In good I always felt like it was there was

453
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Speaker 3: a level of the where where it was kind of

454
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Speaker 3: like mean humor for malcontents, like people that want to

455
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Speaker 3: see somebody humiliated and laugh at that it was and look,

456
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Speaker 3: I'm not I wasn't an aficionado, but I'm just saying

457
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Speaker 3: I've never been a fan.

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Speaker 4: And so now that he's like a lockdown free wants mask. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 4: and you know it is trying to police Bobert and

460
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Speaker 4: like come on.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, all right, We're gonna, you know, wrap up

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Speaker 1: with some really easy questions like what do you think

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Speaker 1: is our largest societal problem in America?

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Speaker 3: Wait a second, Wait a second. I thought this was

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Speaker 3: like Rogan doing I get like three hours here and.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, nice and fast, get all your

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Speaker 2: best advice.

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Speaker 3: And what is our biggest our biggest societal problem is

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Speaker 3: uh self obsession?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's solvable?

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Speaker 3: Well, like any problem, the first step is understanding what

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Speaker 3: the problem is. I think as a culture we have

473
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Speaker 3: turned or what I actually say is it's actually not.

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Speaker 3: There are the American people, and this I would compare

475
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Speaker 3: to people all over the world that I've met interacted with.

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Speaker 3: American people in general are actually quite generous and have

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Speaker 3: a public spirit. That is, it's especially if it's not

478
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Speaker 3: you know, for a lot of them, if it's not compelled,

479
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Speaker 3: they're very generous.

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Speaker 4: With what they want to do for, you know, for

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Speaker 4: their country.

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Speaker 3: And but I think the culture has become overwhelmingly self

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Speaker 3: obsessed in a way where now anyone who wants to

484
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Speaker 3: sort of make a good faith effort about how we

485
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Speaker 3: can be better towards others or how we can grow

486
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Speaker 3: and things like that's just all mocked and ridicule. Like

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Speaker 3: it's just how famous can I be on TikTok? How

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Speaker 3: much money do I have? What car do I drive?

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Speaker 3: How how hot do I look on Instagram? Like all

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Speaker 3: of this is kind of overwhelming because people say, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's always been like this, No, because now everyone's kind

492
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Speaker 3: of everyone's a brand, right, everyone thinks of themselves as

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Speaker 3: something beyond just who they are day to day and how.

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Speaker 4: They interact with people.

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Speaker 3: It's now what is the online perception and the mass

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Speaker 3: media perception of who I am, even if you're not

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Speaker 3: a public person, because everyone's kind of a public person

498
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Speaker 3: now in some way. And so I think that that's

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Speaker 3: created some really challenging and really kind of negative feedback

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Speaker 3: loops and things like that.

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Speaker 4: So that's, for a broad stroke answer, that's not.

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's ruining America, which I could also say, so.

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Speaker 1: Would the Buck Sexton plan, be get everybody off social media?

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Speaker 1: Or what limit social media? Maybe limit how we use it.

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Speaker 1: What's the like, you know, you.

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Speaker 4: Could do the ancient Greeks we're big into.

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Speaker 3: They were big in to moderation as a as a concept, right,

508
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Speaker 3: you know, And and that's something that I think is important.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think whether you're talking about your your

510
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Speaker 3: alcohol intake, your sugar intake, your just go down a

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Speaker 3: list of all these different things, it's about balancing it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I saw recently there was a debate. I

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Speaker 3: think Cernovich said something about sports, and all these people

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Speaker 3: get upset because he basically says, you know, why are

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Speaker 3: all these adult met obsessed with sports? And I mean

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Speaker 3: I largely agree with Cernovich as a side note, and

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Speaker 3: I think it is obviously I think this has become crazy.

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, if you want to watch a

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Speaker 3: football game on Sunday, fine, like you know, relax, kick back,

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Speaker 3: like I'll watch whatever TV. Sometimes I viewed as like

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Speaker 3: playing video games. Want to play a video game, fine,

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Speaker 3: play video game. But if you tell me that you're

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Speaker 3: going to spend all of Saturday and all of Sunday

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Speaker 3: watching and betting on sports, and you're going to watch

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Speaker 3: three games each day and you can spend like nine

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Speaker 3: ten hours Like it's excessive, right, So I think, what

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Speaker 3: was it? What was your initial pues? Now I'm running

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Speaker 3: off into.

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Speaker 1: How are you solving? How are you selling the you know,

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Speaker 1: self obsession.

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Speaker 3: Just to tell to tell people to try to achieve

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Speaker 3: to a degree that can balance and balance and moderation

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Speaker 3: and things, and you know, think about taking a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think most of society can be boiled down to

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Speaker 3: a short term versus, like the fight between short term

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Speaker 3: and long term thinking, because most people assuming that they're

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Speaker 3: capable of baseline long term thinking, most people know deep

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Speaker 3: down that that's going to be better for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's you know, dealing with those sort of

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Speaker 3: initial impulses.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I wish I ate less chocolate. You know,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to tell you.

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Speaker 3: I just I love a little bit of chocolate here

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Speaker 3: and there, and sometimes it turns into a whole bar.

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Speaker 4: So that's my way of trying to solve things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't even get into politics that much,

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Speaker 3: which I appreciate because these days, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: politics needs it really beats people down, and I wish

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Speaker 3: it was. I wish it was a little more inspiring,

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Speaker 3: more inspired. Instead, it just feels like we're all in

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Speaker 3: the middle of like a Yeah, do you ever do

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Speaker 3: you ever see a fight? I don't know what kind

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Speaker 3: of school you went to, but do you ever see

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Speaker 3: a fight that in school? That at first was everyone's like, yeah, fight, fight,

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Speaker 3: And then someone got like really hurt.

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Speaker 4: You're kind of like, oh, God, like you know, someone

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Speaker 4: like hit their head on the ground or something.

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Speaker 1: Politician and that who's the which politicians are you talking

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Speaker 1: about there?

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Speaker 2: Who's getting their head beat in?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're at a point now where

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Speaker 3: also people, really people are really wanting to see their

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Speaker 3: political opponents like locked up in a prison cell and

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Speaker 3: and shut off from their families and to be treated

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Speaker 3: like to be treated like a convict and all this stuff,

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Speaker 3: and like this is heavy stuff, and it's becoming all

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Speaker 3: very normalized, and it's like, oh, we just and this

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Speaker 3: is not a good place for society to be in.

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Speaker 4: And and I don't know how that's something. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how we turn it off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we get people to scale back

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Speaker 3: a little bit and I'm somebody who for years has

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Speaker 3: been saying, you know, we need to like throw down harder,

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Speaker 3: we need to get more into the into the fight

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Speaker 3: on some of these political issues. But I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: now at a place where if the other guy doesn't

578
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Speaker 3: get thrown into prison, half the country is going to

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Speaker 3: be upset. And that's just that's just crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's that should not a place to be.

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Speaker 4: Be where we are.

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Speaker 3: So I know I've taken up more of your time,

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Speaker 3: look at and see, so we need to just see,

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Speaker 3: you know, Carol a radio host.

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Speaker 4: We will all talk forever because there's something a little

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Speaker 4: wrong with those.

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Speaker 1: You podcast Apparently I can cut you off at any time,

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Speaker 1: or we could just keep this rolling, you know, indefinitely.

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Speaker 1: But okay, my last question, and here with your best

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Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Like,

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Speaker 1: what's the one thing that you recommend people do to

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Speaker 1: just better themselves better their own lives.

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Speaker 4: So it will sound I think tright, maybe a little bit,

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Speaker 4: but I think it's very true. Protect your time.

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Speaker 3: I think people all allow themselves to get drawn into things,

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Speaker 3: or they feel like they have to do something, or

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Speaker 3: they feel like so and so wanted them. Your time

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Speaker 3: is valuable and you need to You're the only one

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Speaker 3: who can do it for yourself, right, I mean, unless

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Speaker 3: you've got like some chief of staff or something, you're

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Speaker 3: some big important person. Learning to protect your time, I

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Speaker 3: think is one of the most important and underrated skills

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Speaker 3: that people have, which includes things like, you know, when

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Speaker 3: you're invited to something and you don't think it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be that fun and you would be better serve like

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Speaker 3: working on a project ever the weekend.

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Speaker 4: Like don't go.

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Speaker 2: You love saying no to stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: I do love saying no to things that is.

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Speaker 3: This is also a fact of my reality in my life,

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Speaker 3: Like I just if I'm not looking forward to something

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Speaker 3: and it's and it's a like the craziest thing I

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Speaker 3: come across all the time are people who spend their

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Speaker 3: free time doing things they.

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Speaker 4: Don't really like. They're like, oh, it was.

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Speaker 3: So hot at like the golf course, and I was,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was out there for like ten hours.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, why are you doing that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Do something else? So protect your time is a mantra

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Speaker 4: for me.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very important, and that means protect the

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Speaker 3: time you spend with loved ones and family and protect

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Speaker 3: some time to read.

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Speaker 4: Every Everyone thinks they read, Carol, most people don't read.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true.

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Speaker 4: If you ask anyone if you read, they'll go, oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying can you read.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, do you make it a point like I

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Speaker 3: fall asleep reading a book. I fall asleep reading a

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Speaker 3: book every night. Now, I'm not saying I'm some huge

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Speaker 3: yeah or something, but I just mean like it's a

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Speaker 3: part of my daily I will read for thirty minutes

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Speaker 3: before I go to sleep every night.

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Speaker 2: That's really awesome. I mean I used to do that

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Speaker 2: and then I got married and that ended.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, well, when I.

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Speaker 3: Have kids, which you know, God God willing hopefully will

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Speaker 3: be soon, I may be up, you know, reading bedtime

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Speaker 3: stories instead, but I'll work on something.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Buck Sexton, Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: on my first episode. Loved having you on, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back when your book is out.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully it's a good book. Thanks Carol too, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So much for listening today.

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll join me next time on the Carol Markowitz Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you