1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: in Heels. This show is all about celebrating the most 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their incredible journeys to 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: the top. 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: All we'll say slimmer, Okay. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm very excited for all of you to listen to 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: this episode, and I know you're gonna learn a lot 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and you're gonna love it. 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: So enjoy. 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Oh you look so beautiful. Thank god you're in photo. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: That would be such a waste. 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: Hi, babes, I mean I am. I'm not gonna lie. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 4: I just look nice, top up, bottom down. You know 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: I'm casual. I'm casual. I don't match. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: You don't grit. 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: By the way, the funniest part about that is that's 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: like half the questions I've been asked in the last 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: was like, Rachel, how do you think people are going 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: to get dressed again? 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: Do you think people will ever put pants on again? 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: Do you think people all. 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: Like ever care what they look like from like the 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: ways down ever ever again? And I was like, Ah, 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know how 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I think. 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: People would know, you know what I do look look, 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: I mean put a nice blouse on, I put a 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: little lipstick up with a jewelry. 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: You know. 30 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: I feel like there will be things that we care 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: about that will make us which I think it's important, 32 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: you know, and it's nice too, I mean otherwise so 33 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: easily we can fall into this. Well, I just got 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: up and I'm busy at phone calls. I'm running to 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: pick up my kids. Do you know meetings, you know, 36 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: were all used to being kind of casual that it's 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: kind of nice. Actually I look forward to, like, I know, 38 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: I have a meeting or I have like a dinner, 39 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: and then I know I. 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: Can I can yeah, nice on, I don't have to, 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 4: but you know, why not. 42 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: It's it's true. 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: And I think I feel like we probably have a 44 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of friends that are now going to like stay 45 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: casual for life. And I think it's like, I just 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: think it's it's personal preference. Like I feel like, if 47 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: you're that person that wants to always be casual, then 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: like live your best life and do it. But I 49 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: think if you're someone who's always been someone that dresses up, 50 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: I think it's nice to have those like at home 51 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: days where you don't have to and then I think 52 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: it's nice to just feel like a human sometimes and 53 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: like do the thing and be like, oh right, this 54 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: is what this feels like. 55 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: Again, I forgot. It's so crazy. Now where are you? 56 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: Are you in Florida? Where are you? 57 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: I'm in Florida. I'm in Florida. I'm at home. 58 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: And I think make sure you said it, you know, 59 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: I think it's it's all about feeling the best. Yeah right, 60 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: so no, I mean it's really about you as a 61 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: woman feeling the best. And you know, sometimes you might 62 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 3: feel great to just be casual and not to worry 63 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: and just have a grain mor Strizer and feel great 64 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: about yourself being that way, and that's awesome and I 65 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: love that too. 66 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: But you know what, there's something. 67 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 3: Nice when you do you know, you do make that 68 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: effort and you take that time for yourself to look 69 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: good for yourself, well you feel good, you know, and. 70 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: Then though, wait, kk, do you find that. I don't 71 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: know how you were in like early pandemic life in 72 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: the beginning, but like you know, ninety nine point nine 73 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: percent of the people in my life were just like 74 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: no makeup, no this. They were like in pajamas, they 75 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: were in a bathrobe. 76 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: They were in like whatever. And then for me about 77 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: two months in, I was like, Okay. 78 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: I got to throw on a faux fur, I got 79 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: to put my five minute face on. 80 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: I'm going absolutely. 81 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: Nowhere, but like I have to feel like myself, like 82 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: I started to like it was it was for no 83 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: one other than myself, you know what I mean, And 84 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: it was it was a bit of a surreal like 85 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: practicing what you preach for so long of that like 86 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: don't dress for others, dress for you, And for me 87 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: it was such an exercise in like I think we 88 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: know who I am like you, and I I don't 89 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: know if I've ever done casual very well, but I 90 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: think it now. 91 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: I was about the say I think you've ever been casual, Rachel. 92 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: I mean the years I've known you, you always are 93 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: landed up, put together, and that's you know, and that's 94 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: what we we know you. I mean, that's to you, 95 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: and which is beautiful because that's you, right. 96 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: But I think if I was you, I might just 97 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: be like barefoot in like a flat with no makeup 98 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: and like a ponytail and like a cute little tink 99 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: t up in like genes, and that would be my 100 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: whole thing. Because what that's like the original model off 101 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: duty look, because you're such this natural, gorgeous human being, 102 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: but in every way, and you know, for people that 103 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: haven't met you and are just you know, looking at 104 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: our interview and whatever. I mean, as magnificent as you 105 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: are to the outside, you are so equally beautiful in 106 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: the inside. And that's to me what makes me love 107 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: you for so many years is just like you're this 108 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: extraordinary human being and now a mom of three. 109 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 4: Thank you, Rachel. That's so sweet. 110 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: It's your crazy thing, Carolina. You have a daughter. 111 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: I know, it is wild. It is wild. You need 112 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: a daughter, Rachel, with more than life grop and like, 113 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: I mean. 114 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: She will be too cute, ridiculous, He'll be ridiculous, little 115 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: MANI Rachel's Oh I'm honest. 116 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: With the boys, Oh god, it's you know, it's funny. 117 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: I have a handful of what were once boy moms 118 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: that had two boys and they weren't even going to 119 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: have a third, and then they had a third and 120 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: they kind of surrendered to, oh, it's just going to 121 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: be another boy, and they had a girl and they're 122 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: just like, Rachel, you have got to get on this 123 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: because it's like a. 124 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: Totally different thing. But it's like I do know, I do. 125 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: Know, Carolina, that if I had another one, I'd have 126 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: a boy. And if I had two more, I'd have 127 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: two more boys. One hundred percent. 128 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: I do. I do, Okay, So we you. 129 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: Know what you get to You get to dress up 130 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: a lot of ask a lot of your friends, right 131 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: your daughters that you get to have fun with, and 132 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: girls to dress up. 133 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 4: And you know what I do. 134 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: I mooch off my friends a lot, Like I take 135 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: their daughters and I just take them into my closet 136 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: and we have so much fun, and giving them back 137 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: is painful. So I suggest you don't have your daughter 138 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: around me anytime soon. But like she's I can't, okay. 139 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: So now I'm going to go and I'm going to 140 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: go through a few questions, even though it's gonna be 141 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: very challenging because I just want to have our just 142 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: normal girl talk. But I'm just gonna ask a couple 143 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: of questions because I want I want our cure to 144 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: our community to really know more about you, and you know, 145 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: just all your things that you do and your businesses 146 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: and just everything else. So I want to ask you 147 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: just a few few questions that we can talk about anything. Okay, 148 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: all right. 149 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: You still have questions and still make it like a 150 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: girl talk. I mean I think we yeah, no, of course, 151 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: of course. I mean it's going to be a girl 152 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: talk no matter what. But you know, I'm like, oh, 153 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: I guess I have to actually ask you questions, like 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: formal questions. 155 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 156 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: So you know, in full disclosure, we've known each other 157 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: for so so long. So when we met, I mean, 158 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: we were obviously younger than we are now, but we 159 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: were really at you know, one of the highest points 160 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: of our careers. I was a stylist and you of 161 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: course were like probably the biggest supermodel in the world, 162 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: larger than life still are. But I love now that 163 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: we can connect on so many more levels of being 164 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: working moms and of course entrepreneurs. 165 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: So I think a question that I. 166 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: Have in our our community would have is like, how 167 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: do you feel like your career even now, like as 168 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: a model sort of informed and helped create kind of 169 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: who you are and how you approach your life, your work, motherhood, 170 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean everything. Like I think, what are some of 171 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: those valuable takeaways that you just learned, you know, just 172 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: through experience, honestly of growing up in this industry, right. 173 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yes, I definitely grew up in an industry. 174 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: I've been in fashion business since I'm fifteen. I'm going 175 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: to be thirty eight, so that's a long, long, long time. 176 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 3: But you know, I I love what I do, even 177 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: though I've been doing it for so many years. You know, 178 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: some people say I've been doing for so many years, 179 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: I feel tired, right, I don't feel tired. You know, 180 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 3: I really love what I do and when I work, 181 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: obviously work out in front of the camera. But as 182 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: you know, mean I'm very I mean I've evolved in 183 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: that way. 184 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 4: You know, I've unbserved. I've worked with. 185 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: The best of the best where I love being part of, 186 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: like the art, directing and a little bit the styling. Okay, 187 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: what are we doing the hair and makeup to really 188 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: make sure that we're telling that story. You know, for me, 189 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: it's really like I work like an actor. When I work, 190 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: I really come. For me, comes from inside, like there's 191 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: gotta be a feeling to everything I do. It's not like, Okay, 192 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 3: we're just gonna put that on that that's it, and 193 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: we're gonna put a red lipstick on and you know, 194 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: and that's it. 195 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: Well, what is that? What is that feeling? 196 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: Because for me, even cloth picture, even though picture doesn't 197 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: have a voice, it's got to have a feeling. 198 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: You got to mean move by. 199 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: It's like a painting, right, it's still it's a still thing, 200 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 3: but it makes you think, it provokes something, and the 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: picture has to have that same thing, you know, and 202 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: how do we get there? And then you know, what's 203 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: the music we're playing? So I'm very much into, like, 204 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 3: you know, all those things, and people don't know, I'll 205 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: work with me and probably listening, they're like, yes, kick 206 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: is very specific. 207 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: People call me yes. 208 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: But I I love that about you. 209 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I love that about you because for me, it's like 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: it should always be a collaborative process, right, And I 211 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: think that probably when you started out as. 212 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: A very young model. 213 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I know for me just starting out working 214 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: with models, it was like I was literally one of 215 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: the first people that was like, oh, let's talk to 216 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: her about it, Let's see what she feels, let's see 217 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: what lets you know, let's see if she'd prefer to 218 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 1: wear this. 219 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: This length or that length. 220 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: And I remember like early on, you know, those days 221 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: where it was like they would look at me and 222 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: be like, well, it doesn't really matter, that's like her job, 223 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: and I was like, well it does actually because she's 224 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: the one wearing it, you know. And so I think 225 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: that the industry has shifted, right, I mean. 226 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: When you're young, you know, when you're super young, you 227 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: don't always know, right, Yes, yes we all innately like, 228 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 3: yes we might know and feel, but you know, I 229 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: almost experience, right, Like everything it comes from experience by doing, 230 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 3: by looking and observing, you know. And I'm very curious, 231 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: So I've always watched and I've always asked or I've 232 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 3: paid attention how the light was set up or how 233 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: things were put together and why. Like, I'm very curious 234 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: and a love to learn. If I'm going to do something, 235 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: they want to be the best at it. 236 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: So I really took it. 237 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: I take everything I do very seriously and to the heart. 238 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: And you know, of course, when you're young, you don't 239 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: always know. And you know that's when it's great. When 240 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 3: you work with incredible people who've been doing it for 241 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: a long time. You know, there's this constructive you know, 242 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: norm say criticism, but constructive. 243 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 4: There's learning. 244 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: You know, there's back, you get it's like, okay, but 245 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: maybe if you do that or look at that like that. 246 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: Really I work with master. That really taught me. You know, 247 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: we don't work like that anymore. 248 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: You know. 249 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: Now there was no time for an image and a picture. 250 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: It's what iPhone And it's so great. It's I'm not 251 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's great too. It's different. But when we 252 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: were doing back in the day, you know, we there 253 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: was a mood board, there was a process. There was 254 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: like okay, we're not feeling We're going to take a 255 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: little break, a whole move forward. Now it's like, no, 256 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: we need to do twenty shots. Yes, there's no time 257 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: for like you know review, there's like this is what 258 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: we're doing, and we got to go, go, go, go go. 259 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: You know, time is money, you know. 260 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 4: So it is a little different. And I'm grateful that 261 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: I've you know. 262 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: Experienced what I did and yes, you know, and then 263 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: and it's and I'm grateful that I'm still able to 264 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: you know, evolve with the industry and the technology and 265 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 3: you know, and and have that experience to it is different, 266 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's and it's. 267 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 4: That's what it's great. I mean, it's just it keeps evolving. 268 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: Right, as long as we're constantly moving and growing and. 269 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: You know, even change, it's it's it's good. 270 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: It kind of makes us appreciate this something before or 271 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: makes us you know, realize, oh, makes it teaches us 272 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: new things. So I think everything comes from something that 273 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: we can learn. 274 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: And I agree, and I also I agree with you. 275 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, I get nostalgic and really 276 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: missed sometimes those days when it really was about like 277 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: the art of the photo, you know, and and putting 278 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: all that time and energy into it and working with 279 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: the masters, and you know, and I think now to 280 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: your point, everything is not fast enough, everything's not quick enough. 281 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: But I do think to me, actually you just hit 282 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: on one of the most important lessons in business, which 283 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: is always taking away your learnings from your experience, but 284 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: really taking that knowledge and being able to adapt to 285 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: the new, because if you don't, that's actually when you 286 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: actually really get into trouble in business, in my opinion, 287 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: And a very successful entrepreneur once said in an interview, 288 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: and it was so interesting because he just said it 289 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: like just so cut and drive, like if you don't 290 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: adapt to the change of the environment of business, you 291 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: don't survive it. You have to be willing to change 292 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: and embrace it and find the good in the new way, 293 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: and then take your knowledge of the way that you 294 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: learned or how you trained, because I wouldn't trade I 295 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't trade my experience and knowledge from the past for anything. 296 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: It was the best ever. 297 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 3: Remember their moments where you know, as you know, like polarids, 298 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 3: there was that one polarid you will look at that 299 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 3: was the peak into like kind of what you're doing, 300 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: and the rest was in a camera role. It really 301 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 3: was you do not know how it's going to end 302 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 3: up until the film was developed and you know, you 303 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: kind of work. Just have to have faith in the process. 304 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: That's really what it was. Now we know exactly what 305 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: we're going to get. How you know, second by second 306 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: we sometimes can get too much, like you know now 307 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: with yes, when people shoot you, it's like take a picture, 308 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 3: look at the screen, take a picture, look at the 309 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: Sometimes like even me, I can tack say, you know, 310 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: it's like I can get into it because it's like 311 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: even I'm like I don't want to look at the 312 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: screen because I want to constantly go and look at it, 313 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: and it destructs you. It takes your way from that 314 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: moment that takes your way from the moment now. 315 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think one of my 316 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: favorite things about working with you is that you are 317 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: such a collaborator and you do love to like bring 318 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: everyone into the conversation. And I would say, without a doubt, 319 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: one of my most favorite collaborations of my whole career 320 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: was the one that we did together from that which 321 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: it's so funny because every time the MET ball comes around, 322 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: I think about it for like a full month. I 323 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: remember that moment because I'd just become a designer and 324 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, I had obviously been a stylist for a 325 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: long time, but it was the first time I really 326 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: got to collaborate with you, a friend and obviously like 327 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: an icon, but just working with you on that process 328 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: was such like a dream for me on so many levels. 329 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget when you walked out of the 330 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: hotel and I just was like, I like it was. 331 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: It was like a very surreal moment that I will 332 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: never ever forget. And you know, the Met Gala in 333 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: and of itself is like amazing and terrifying of. 334 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: But I mean, like what, I. 335 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: Think that was an amazing moment by the way. 336 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I hope you like put it up the 337 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: picture that people can remember, because oh yeah, it was 338 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: such a beautiful was very you. It was very rachel 339 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: zoahead you know, Sparkles was very glam. But it was 340 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: such a simple, beautiful silhouette. But you know, simple but 341 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: yet so complex. I mean I remember vividly, you know, 342 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: only people go could look inside the dress. People because 343 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: we were like, it's bond and simple, but it's backless, okay, ladies, 344 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: backless dress. It's gorgeous, okay, but nothing to super like how. 345 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: Do you you know? 346 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: I mean we I remember, like, how do we make 347 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: sure that it doesn't and it was sequenced, it doesn't 348 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: collapse because it some material. It's it's nice hugging to 349 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: the body, but where your breasts look like they're there, 350 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: but you can not have a bra super Oh my goodness, 351 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: I remember how many things you tried, how many like 352 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: nipple things and tapes to make sure nothing moved, and 353 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: the dress state and the belt inside the dress that 354 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: nobody don't like to make sure that you know dress state, 355 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: and then really your touch. 356 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 4: I remember with the when like the turbine that really made. 357 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: The look where that was like whoa, but that was 358 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: you because not everyone would have said yes, I'm in 359 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: and you were like yes, why not. 360 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't we do this? And you just you know, 361 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: and there was just this way. 362 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: And I think it's such a talent that the way 363 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: that you stand, the way that you move, the way 364 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: you know how something will look good at whatever angle. 365 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: And it's like that's actually a talent that I think 366 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: people don't give enough credit for because I'm so awkward 367 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: and it's I'm so like uncomfortable and when you just 368 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: don't know and I immediately start to hunt my shoulders 369 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: and I'm like and you get on that carpet and 370 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: you were like this statue that wasn't even human that 371 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: happened to actually move and be like adorable you And 372 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: it was like. 373 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 4: The sweetest thing. 374 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: And we had such a fun It's such a fun 375 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: night and I will never forget it. I mean, how 376 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: what are some of your like most favorite, most memorable? 377 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: For whatever reason it was that really stay with you 378 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: in your head, Like just even two that you can think. 379 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: Of, like you know, like in. 380 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: Your career that you're like, oh my god, I went 381 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: to this McQueen, like like what are some moments that 382 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: like change your your your whole being, you know. 383 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: You know again, I was so lucky that, you know, 384 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: I started so young that I had a chance to 385 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: really work with the greatest, you know before they passed. 386 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 4: Away, like McQueen, you know, working. 387 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: With mister Irving pen who is you know for his 388 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: incredible photography and lighting. You know, mister Irving pen was 389 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: someone you know who did not like music on the set. 390 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 3: There was no speaking, no talking. There was you know, silence, 391 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: just genius, just genius like silence. 392 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 4: And he was very specific. Move your arm to the right. 393 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: Just one inch, you know, and then it's like, you know, 394 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: there's there's it's very intimating when it's such a silence, 395 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 3: you know, like you know, and it's all on you 396 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 3: and the light and he's like one inch. 397 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: I'd be so nervous. 398 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: I was definitely nervous, but it was so incredible. 399 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: I'm working mister Avidan, you know, Richard Avidon, who was 400 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: all about he was like the director behind the camera, 401 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: you know, who would be always stood aside and be 402 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: like now energy moved and you know. 403 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 4: Hell like do it with you. 404 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: So he's like, oh, he's going to the camera this 405 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: is great, didn't go forward and then and you'll. 406 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: Give all of that. And you know, Peter Lindberg. 407 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: Who was just you know, it was my favorite little 408 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: black and white, you know, sensual, feminine, raw, sexy love 409 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 3: him like follow you and talk to you, and you know, 410 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 3: never you know, And and so I really I cannot 411 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: see one moment because every moment it was a different 412 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: moment and everyone has a different style and in a 413 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: way they see you in a photography and pull something 414 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: from you, all make you feel certain way. Right as women, 415 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: we don't have one feeling, We don't. 416 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 4: Have one emotion. 417 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: I mean I certainly don't most all women. So you know, 418 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: I think it's wonderful where you have. You know, we 419 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: get to work where we can tep into those feelings 420 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: so we can kind of play and get it out 421 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: of you know, get out of our system on the set. 422 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: Maybe not always at home or not as much. Maybe 423 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things I do in my work 424 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: I would never do at home, like for myself, like 425 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't know where certain things in my life. 426 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 4: Like everyday life. 427 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 3: But I enjoyed for that moment, and I think it's 428 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 3: you know, I really embody that moment like, Okay, you know, 429 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 3: this is not something I wouldn't necessarily were, but this 430 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: is kind of I appreciate that what it is, and 431 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, how would I how. 432 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 4: Would I wear it and move it? How does that 433 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 4: make me feel? 434 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: You know? And then that's how I do it. Another 435 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 3: great moment, I mean, I was Marilyn Manson. 436 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 4: For Folks Shoot. 437 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: You know, obviously pale skin, eyeballs changed to different colors. 438 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: I had the black hair, and that was amazing and 439 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: genius of Stephen myself and Grace Cuddington where they cast 440 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: me as Marilyn Manson. You know, I love things like that. 441 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: I love an artist where I get to get you know, 442 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: I don't have to be always pretty. I'm all for it, 443 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 3: Like I'm okay to be you know, to be you know, 444 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 3: always pretty or sexy or be pretty a different way. 445 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: I find it really like I love it. 446 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: Well, I think, by the way, I think that's a 447 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: very similar psychology to acting, you know, and I think 448 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: that's why actors they love to get into a different role. 449 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: It's very similar concept because they love to be who 450 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: they are in real life and then they love to 451 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: walk onto set and be someone totally different and then 452 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,479 Speaker 1: go home and be mom or dad or whoever, and 453 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: like way for just you and whatever. And I think 454 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: that's like the brilliance of it, because ultimately it's an art, right, 455 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: Modeling is an art. And I think that the fact 456 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: that you got to work with so many of the 457 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: best and still working with the best, you know, and 458 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: I had that privilege and honor too, and I never 459 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: I don't take it for granted, you know, I really don't. 460 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: Like I'll just look back at some of the things 461 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to be a part of, and 462 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like in so many ways you think about, like, oh, 463 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: it's like they're the Picassos. 464 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: In a lot of ways right of this day. 465 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's it's very it's it's just 466 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: very nostalgic and amazing, and I think really shapes who 467 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: we are. And I think at least for me, I mean, 468 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: has helped me so much in business, right, I think 469 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: I've developed a thicker skin from the industry in good ways, 470 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: you know. I think it's really like made me open 471 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: my eyes to a million different things. I think, I 472 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: don't know, but I do find that. I mean, do 473 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: you like don't you sort of love that you can 474 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: go to work sometimes in step into being like this 475 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: person or whoever that person is on that date, and 476 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: then go home and be like ugh, but I'm like 477 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: now mommy, and I'm like so like there's something about 478 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: going through the doors of your home sometimes that gives 479 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: you that like I'm home feeling. Do you feel that 480 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: way when you come home from work or you just 481 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: sort of like I'm here this way and I'm here 482 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: as mom and I'm you can compartmentalize really well. 483 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: Do that makes sense? 484 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 485 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 3: No, definitely, you know when I'm home, I mean, and 486 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 3: you your mom too. You know that mom life. You know, 487 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: it's it's it's a full time operation, brand and own 488 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: that you have to manage right between their schedules and 489 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 3: foods and homework and play dates and sports and clothes 490 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: or performances and birthdays that. But then it's like, you know, 491 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: when you have a chance to like go like to 492 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: an office, so go water shoe that it's like so refreshing. 493 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: You know, work, it's not like you're relaxing, you have 494 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 3: a minuture relax, but it's kind of refreshing to have 495 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: something else that you can like do like, you know, 496 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: be with other people that it's not just about like 497 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 3: a snack time. 498 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: A mom you know, where's my jersey? Or where am 499 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 4: I back dinner? 500 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 3: You know it kind of it's refreshing for sure, even 501 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: though it's like exhausting because you know you're working and 502 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 3: it's you're doing things you have to go work. But 503 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: then of course, you know, it feels great to get 504 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: out of the house. And then it's you come back 505 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 3: home you're like, oh. 506 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I missed it. 507 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's true. 508 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 3: Like it's I feel like we all have that dough. Yeah, 509 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: you want to get out, you want to get away. 510 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 4: You're like, it's a lot, but then it's like you 511 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 4: miss it. 512 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: I think as a mom, kk, do you I forget 513 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: how to think about myself? 514 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: Do you? For sure? 515 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: I mean it's not like I don't have to really 516 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: time for me, you know, and having a third trial 517 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: it definitely changes the game. And having kids, you know, 518 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 3: kind of spread out a lot. So I do have 519 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: almost like they were all kind of individual kids because 520 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: I have twelve, I have six, I have an infant. 521 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: So somebody told me it's really spread apart. 522 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: So somebody told me, I'm basically I have a toddler 523 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: and it's teacher at the same time. 524 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: It's so crazy because I like didn't even realize that. God. 525 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it gets a little set. 526 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: And one not even one's I have. 527 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: A nine month old, almost a nine month old. I've 528 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: been a twelve year old, so it is a little 529 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: and a six year old, so you know, it is 530 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: I mean, it's been amazing because obviously I had time 531 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: with every one of them. 532 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: You're living all three you're living all three points. 533 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: You have like a teen tween and then which is 534 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: about you like it's eating, but it's about to like 535 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: walk cross, you know. So then it's that whole. 536 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: Thing, you know, scary time, teaching. 537 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 4: The potty time. 538 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: And then you have a six year old, you know, 539 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: which you know, everyone has their things going through and 540 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: needs and and friends and activities, so it does get 541 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: little intense. I mean, and you know, I'm still worse feedings, 542 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 3: so it's I'm coming towards the end. 543 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: But so that's I'm you know, So it's definitely. 544 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: The the year has been, you know, giving birth to 545 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 3: my daughter, which has been so special and incredible, and 546 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: I'm so so happy. 547 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: She looks just like you. 548 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 4: By the way, Oh thank you. 549 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I just she looks just like you. I 550 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: look at your answer. I'm just I want to like 551 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: jump through Instagram. I'm she is just She's like an 552 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: angel from heaven. 553 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: I can't realize she's so sweet. She really is actually 554 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 3: my easiest child. I mean my husband before. I have 555 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: really good kids. It's you know, they're all easy. But 556 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: you know I have boys, you know, and they have 557 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 3: she's just like you would think she's the baby. She'll 558 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 3: be like the one screaming all the time, crying. 559 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 4: No, it's my boys. It's the easy one. 560 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: But what I was saying, you know, this whole year, 561 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: it's been you know, give birth to my child, I 562 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: mean giving birth to my child and having a girl, 563 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: which has been really special. Having a girl. I mean 564 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: you've said it before. It is a very different, Yeah, 565 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 3: having a woman like a girl, being a girl and 566 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: having a girl and boys and always dad. I would 567 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: never think, oh, I love my boys because i'm you know, 568 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 3: like I get boys and I'm like, you. 569 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: Know you speak boy, You're fine. You have a good 570 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: energy for boys. 571 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: It's a different thing having a girl. I can't explain it. 572 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: It's like she's you know, it's like she gets she's 573 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 3: like one of you, you know, and so it's it's 574 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: been beautiful and having the time that I have the 575 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 3: time again with her, I've been breastweening her. 576 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 4: I've been home with her. I can focus on her. 577 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: And on the boys and all the transition and making sure, 578 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: you know, everybody is taking care of everyone has their 579 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 3: time and attention that I really have no time to 580 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: think of me and my work, and really, you know, 581 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: what do I want when I'm my goals? Like everything 582 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: has been so much about my kids, which is of 583 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 3: you know, it is the most important thing for me. Yes, 584 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: you know, I want to be a mom. I don't 585 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: want to be just gone and work all the time. 586 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: They never seen my family, you know, So family is 587 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 3: very important. 588 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 4: But I love what I did too. 589 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: And it's funny, I actually had this conversation with somebody earlier. 590 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: You know, I want to make sure that I am 591 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 3: utilizing the gifts the universe that I've been given, that 592 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: they go there being put to work. I think that's 593 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: what I want to make sure for me, that I 594 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: don't want to kind of get lost in translation that 595 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 3: I want to make sure that I'm utilizing what I 596 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: want to do, whatever that is, you know, whatever I decide, 597 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: but that I make sure I make the time for 598 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: me to do that. 599 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: If you want more Climbing in Hails content, follow me 600 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: on at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing in Halls pod 601 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: on Instagram for more updates on upcoming guests, episodes, and 602 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: of course all things cre A Tor. 603 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 4: Yeah.