WEBVTT - Israel Strikes Over 100 Targets; Biden's Prime-Time Speech On the War

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the

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<v Speaker 2>stories we're following today.

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<v Speaker 3>We begin with an appeal to the American people from

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<v Speaker 3>President Biden. As the wars in Israel and Ukraine rage on.

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<v Speaker 3>The President used a rare primetime address from the Oval

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<v Speaker 3>Office to make the case that both conflicts represent parallel

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<v Speaker 3>fights for democracy.

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<v Speaker 4>I know these conflicts can seem far away, and snatch

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<v Speaker 4>will ask why does this matter to America? So let

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<v Speaker 4>me share with you why making sure Israel and Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>succeed is vital for America's national security. You know, history

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<v Speaker 4>has taught us that when terrorists don't pay a price

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<v Speaker 4>for their terror, when dictators don't pay a price for

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<v Speaker 4>their aggression, they cause more chaos and death and more destruction.

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<v Speaker 4>They keep going, and the cost and the threats to

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<v Speaker 4>America and the world keep rising.

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<v Speaker 3>In his roughly fifteen minute speech, President Biden argue that

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<v Speaker 3>supporting Ukraine and Israel is vital for America's national security.

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<v Speaker 3>The White House now plans of formal request to Congress

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<v Speaker 3>for about one hundred billion dollars in resources for both countries,

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<v Speaker 3>along with Taiwan and the Southern US border.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 2>The President's speech comes as tensions heightened in the Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East and Bloomberg's Oliver Crook is covering the war from Tel.

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<v Speaker 6>Aviv and as fears of escalation and spillover mount. We

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<v Speaker 6>should also say Hamas has called for a day of

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<v Speaker 6>rage today across the Islamic world, where last time they

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<v Speaker 6>called for it we saw protesters take to the street,

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<v Speaker 6>really raising the temperatures. Also raising the temperatures of the

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<v Speaker 6>United States, saying that they're seeing more drone attacks and

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<v Speaker 6>their installations in Iraq and Syria, and that they've also

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<v Speaker 6>intercepted fire from Yemen headed towards Israel. There is the

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<v Speaker 6>small matter of a huge country that sits between Yemen

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<v Speaker 6>and Israel, It's called Saudi Arabia, with huge geopolitical influence.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bloomberg's Oliver Crook says the death toll continues to mount.

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<v Speaker 2>More than fourteen hundred people in Israel have been killed.

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<v Speaker 2>The Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry says more than thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred Palestinians have also been killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Now and Karen will have much more the war ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>But we now turn our attention back here to the US,

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<v Speaker 3>where a search for a Speaker of the House is

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<v Speaker 3>still underway. Round three for Jim Jordan's quest hold the

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<v Speaker 3>gavel is scheduled for this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>In Bloomberg's Edd Baxter has the story.

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<v Speaker 7>More twist and turns to even get to this space.

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<v Speaker 7>Jordan has come off as support of an interim speaker

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<v Speaker 7>after very heated response from his caucus.

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm still running for speaker, and I plan to

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<v Speaker 8>go to the floor and get the votes and win

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<v Speaker 8>this race. But I want to go talk with a

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<v Speaker 8>few of my colleagues, particularly, I want to talk with

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<v Speaker 8>the twenty individuals voted against me.

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<v Speaker 7>Whether that will land him what he needs is a

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<v Speaker 7>big question as it hangs in the wind and delays

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<v Speaker 7>action on aid for Israel or Ukraine. Ed Baxter, Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Ed, thank you, We turned to the markets now.

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Powell signaling the Fed will stand pat at it's

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<v Speaker 2>November meeting. After speaking at the Economic Club of New York,

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<v Speaker 2>the fetch here told Bloomberg's David Weston the economy is

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<v Speaker 2>doing a good job of handling tighter monetary policy.

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<v Speaker 9>So the evidence of your eyes is that the economy

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<v Speaker 9>is handling much higher rates at least for now without difficulties.

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<v Speaker 9>So notionally, that might tell you that the neutral rate

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<v Speaker 9>has risen, or it may just tell you that we

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<v Speaker 9>haven't had rates high enough for long enough. If we

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<v Speaker 9>have models for everything, we have formulists for everything. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 9>as a practitioner, we have to focused on what the

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<v Speaker 9>economy is telling us, even taking legs into account, what's

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<v Speaker 9>it telling us?

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<v Speaker 5>Does it feel like policy is too tight right now?

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<v Speaker 5>I would have to say no.

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<v Speaker 9>I think the evidence is not that a policy is

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<v Speaker 9>too tight right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Fed chief also said a recent run up

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<v Speaker 2>and long term treasury yields, if they persist, could lessen

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<v Speaker 2>the need for further hikes at the margin. For the

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<v Speaker 2>full conversation with FED chair J Powell, head over to

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<v Speaker 2>our Bloomberg Talks podcast feed, available anywhere you get your podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Karen, there was plenty of reaction to Powell's remarks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yields on two your treasuries declined tenure yields paired an

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<v Speaker 3>increase that pushed them near the five percent mark. Former

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<v Speaker 3>New York Fed President Bill Dudley says Powell was pretty

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<v Speaker 3>out the mystic about the economy.

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<v Speaker 10>Basically, you got the impression that he's pretty comfortable with

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<v Speaker 10>the level of rates and the fact that the economy

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<v Speaker 10>is a little stronger than expected, well that's a you know,

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<v Speaker 10>that's a nice problem to have. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 10>boniles are a little higher, well that's actually maybe going

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<v Speaker 10>to help deal with the fact that.

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<v Speaker 5>Growth is a little bit stronger than expected.

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<v Speaker 10>He also implied that he expected growth to slow in

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<v Speaker 10>the fourth quarter going into next year. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 10>think the Fed's on hold until they see whether the

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<v Speaker 10>economy is slow as much as they anticipate or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Former New York Fed President Bill Dudley is now a

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg opinion columnist.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, many on Wall Street think rate hikes are over Nathan.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, in our latest Bloomberg Monthly survey, economists think

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<v Speaker 2>the Fed is done raising rates, but they also anticipate

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<v Speaker 2>a slower pace of rate cuts next year. The economists

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<v Speaker 2>are also raising their growth projections and reducing their odds

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<v Speaker 2>of a recession.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also some optimism on the auto strike. This morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Karen, a top union negotiator, says General Motors and the

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<v Speaker 3>United Auto Workers are moving toward a tentative agreement that

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<v Speaker 3>would put an end to a major strike that has

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<v Speaker 3>dragged on for more than a month. GM, along with

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<v Speaker 3>rivals Ford and Stillantis, have been trying to cut a

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<v Speaker 3>deal to end a walk out that started September fifteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>A GM spokesperson declined to comment.

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<v Speaker 2>Another corporate news Nathan, more job cuts may be on

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<v Speaker 2>the way at UBS. The Financial News is reporting the

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<v Speaker 2>Swiss bank is poised to target about ten percent of

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<v Speaker 2>its support staff at credit Sueeze. UBS is taking over

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<v Speaker 2>its longtime Swiss rival and a government orchestrated deal and

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<v Speaker 2>pairing a combined workforce that swelled to about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get you updated on the Sam Bankman freed Trialcaren.

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<v Speaker 3>The third week ended with the testimony of FTX former

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<v Speaker 3>general counsel can Son, who told the court he resigned

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<v Speaker 3>after finding a massive hole in ftx's balance sheet. The

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<v Speaker 3>trial will now take a week long break. It's due

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<v Speaker 3>to resume October twenty sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks. It's time now for a look at some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other stories making news around the world. For that,

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<v Speaker 2>we're joined by Bloomberg's John Tucker, John Good Morning, and.

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<v Speaker 11>Karen the Pentagonist reaffirming that Israel was not behind that

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<v Speaker 11>deadly rocket strike on a how but in Ganza this week,

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<v Speaker 11>Rerigadier General pat Ryder says the US is using its

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<v Speaker 11>own information to make the determination.

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<v Speaker 12>It is our assessment that Israel was not responsible for

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<v Speaker 12>that explosion. We're continuing to assess that. Initial indications are

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<v Speaker 12>that this was from an errant rocket that was launched

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<v Speaker 12>by the Palestinian Islamic Jahad.

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<v Speaker 11>Hundreds were killed in the attack. The president of New

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<v Speaker 11>York based private equity giant Blackstone, John Gray, says he

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<v Speaker 11>remains committed to funding low income students and cancer research

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<v Speaker 11>at the University of Pennsylvania, while acknowledging concerns over anti

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<v Speaker 11>Sabbitic speech on campus.

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<v Speaker 13>Some of my colleagues in the financial field and more

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<v Speaker 13>broadly have raised some really legitimate concerns about hate speech

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<v Speaker 13>masquerading as free speech in the context of anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 13>on college campuses at penn and other places.

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<v Speaker 11>Jan has bet the center of controversy at her high

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<v Speaker 11>profile alum demanded that the president and board chair stepped down.

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<v Speaker 11>A Maryland Circuit Court judge was fatally shot in the

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<v Speaker 11>driveway of his home last night. Circuit Court Judge Andrew

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<v Speaker 11>Wilkinson was found with the parent gunshot wounds around eight pm.

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<v Speaker 11>He was taken from his home in Hagerstown Demeritis Medical Center,

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<v Speaker 11>where he died of his injuries. The Sheriff's office investigating

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<v Speaker 11>the fatal shooting. That Army private, who fled to North

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<v Speaker 11>Korea before being returned home to the US last month,

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<v Speaker 11>has now been detained by the US military and is

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<v Speaker 11>facing charges including desertion and possessing sexual images of a child.

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<v Speaker 11>The accounts against Private Travis king Or detailed in a

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<v Speaker 11>charging document CVS. Calling some of the most common decongestions

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<v Speaker 11>declared that the common ingredient in cold medicines, fenel efrine,

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<v Speaker 1>Karn Thursday Night Football.

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<v Speaker 14>To kick off Week seven, the Jaguars in New Orleans

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<v Speaker 14>to face the Saints. Jacksonville jumped in front twenty four

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<v Speaker 14>to nine. Travis Etn scored twice. The Jags had a

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<v Speaker 14>pick six back came the Saints to tie the game.

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<v Speaker 14>Jacksonville ball just over three minutes left.

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<v Speaker 15>Jock you going empty backfield for driver three right two

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<v Speaker 15>Lefty drops look, checks it down underneath. That's a cross

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<v Speaker 15>round to Christin Karkcurty twenty five, twenty fifty ten. Christian

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<v Speaker 15>Kirk pull one touchdown Jacksonville, but crossing route to Christian Kirk.

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<v Speaker 14>Tags Radio had it and they beat the Saints thirty

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<v Speaker 14>one to twenty four. Jacksonville's now won four games in

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<v Speaker 14>a row at five and two it's their best start

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<v Speaker 14>since two thousand and seven. Jimmy Garoppolo is not going

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<v Speaker 14>to play for the Raiders Sunday against Chicago. He's got

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<v Speaker 14>a back injury, and the Bears are expected to be

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<v Speaker 14>without justin fields. Not knowing if the Raiders will go

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<v Speaker 14>with the veteran Brian Hoyer or the rookie Aidan O'Connell.

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<v Speaker 14>Sean Watson may play Sunday for Cleveland. He missed last

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<v Speaker 14>week's game with a shoulder injury. Baseball Playoffs, the Arizona

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<v Speaker 14>Diamondbacks top the Phillies two to one, and the con

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<v Speaker 14>Tell Marte hit bottom of the ninth to eighty his

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<v Speaker 14>hurt third hit of the game as the d Backs

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<v Speaker 14>take a lead in the series for the first time,

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<v Speaker 14>but the Phillies are still up two games to one

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<v Speaker 14>with Game four tonight in Phoenix. All Astros in Texas

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<v Speaker 14>taking Game four ten to three. Jose Abrad who had

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<v Speaker 14>a big three run homer, Chas McCormick at two run

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<v Speaker 14>shot for Jose al two by three hits three runs.

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<v Speaker 14>That series is now tie to two heading into today's

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<v Speaker 14>Game five, justin Berland are against Jordan mcgommery, John Stashy.

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<v Speaker 16>Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. On day fourteen of war

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<v Speaker 16>between Israel and Hamas. There are new concerns about a

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<v Speaker 16>wider conflict, with US bases in Iraq and Syria experiencing

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<v Speaker 16>attacks at runback groups and Yemen trying to fire missiles

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<v Speaker 16>at Israel. All as President Biden defense continued US support

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<v Speaker 16>for Israel and Ukraine in a direct appeal to the

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<v Speaker 16>American people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm awesome food and represent different threats, but they share

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<v Speaker 4>this in common. They both want to completely annihilate in

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<v Speaker 4>neighboring democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Completely annihilated, President Biden speaking. They're in a rare Oval

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<v Speaker 3>office address this morning. We're joined by a team of reporters.

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg's news director for Europe, the Least and Africa, Roslind

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<v Speaker 3>Matheson is with us, along with Bloomberg's Oliver Crook in

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<v Speaker 3>Tel Aviv.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning to you both.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to start with you Oliver for just to

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<v Speaker 3>get the latest on what's been happening overnight in the

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<v Speaker 3>war between Israel and Hamas.

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<v Speaker 17>So some of the context we should give for Friday

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<v Speaker 17>today is another day of rage that has been called

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<v Speaker 17>by Hamas. So this is sort of protests across the

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<v Speaker 17>Islamic world, is what they called for last week. We

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<v Speaker 17>saw this, you know, thousands took to the streets. And

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<v Speaker 17>it comes as the IDEF continues to strike targets in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 17>continues to strike targets in Lebanon. It has not sort

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<v Speaker 17>of escalated dramatically on the border of Lebanon, but there

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<v Speaker 17>are still skirmishes there. There are more civilians evacuating from

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<v Speaker 17>the north, and as you mentioned, the US saying that

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<v Speaker 17>seeing some of their installations coming under more attack in

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<v Speaker 17>Iraq and Syria. And also these missiles apparently intercepted by

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<v Speaker 17>the US Navy fired from Yemen. And there's a small

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<v Speaker 17>matter of a big country of huge influence in the

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<v Speaker 17>region that sits between Yemen and Israel, and that is

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<v Speaker 17>Saudi Arabia, And that'll push us forward to a summit

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<v Speaker 17>that we understand will be held tomorrow in Egypt, where

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<v Speaker 17>again there's a lot of information on the flying around,

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<v Speaker 17>and according to people familiar that we have that the

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<v Speaker 17>Crown prints will be at that meeting, along with President Erdawan,

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<v Speaker 17>the King of Jordan, and some representative from Western and

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<v Speaker 17>European countries as well, to discuss peace in Caira.

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<v Speaker 3>There has been a real difficulty getting the Arab world

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<v Speaker 3>more involved in what's happening here to try to keep

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<v Speaker 3>this conflict contained. Rosalind matheson what's your assessment of how

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<v Speaker 3>diplomacy is going at this point.

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<v Speaker 18>Well, certainly, we do know there's a lot of conversation

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<v Speaker 18>going on, as Oliver was just pointing out, although how

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<v Speaker 18>you have a peace summit without Israel is slightly tricky

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<v Speaker 18>given there at they're a key player in the conflict.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously with Hamas.

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<v Speaker 18>We do know that there is an endless parade of

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<v Speaker 18>officials from Europe and elsewhere into the region. We do

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<v Speaker 18>know that also the Arab's talking to each other. A

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<v Speaker 18>very important thing to note this morning is that we're

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<v Speaker 18>hearing that the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the UAE

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<v Speaker 18>are holding a meeting. That's their first public meeting that

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<v Speaker 18>we know of in three years in real and that's

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<v Speaker 18>a very significant mood, because that shows perhaps a desire

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<v Speaker 18>on the part of these key powerbrokers in the region

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<v Speaker 18>to work together to limit the possibility of contagion from

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<v Speaker 18>this conflict. We do know that some of these states

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<v Speaker 18>are under pressure from their own people who angry what

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<v Speaker 18>they sees the treatment of people inside Gaza. But equally,

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<v Speaker 18>the leaders of these countries have been working delicately and

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<v Speaker 18>carefully towards sort of improving ties with Israel and certainly

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<v Speaker 18>sort of keeping a greater calm across the region, promoting

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<v Speaker 18>economic and trade their economies and trade and investment. So

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<v Speaker 18>they've got an interest in doing that. So that's one

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<v Speaker 18>meeting that's happening this morning. It's very much when we

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<v Speaker 18>should pay attention to.

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<v Speaker 3>As we await the comments from Arab leaders. Alie, we

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<v Speaker 3>did hear from President Biden last night from the Oval

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<v Speaker 3>Office defending continued US support for Israel as well as

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine and other global conflict points around the world. How

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<v Speaker 3>is that message from the President being re in Israel?

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<v Speaker 17>I mean, I think it's received positively in Israel. He

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<v Speaker 17>echoed many of the things that he said when he

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<v Speaker 17>was here in Tel Aviv just a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 17>But I think that the tougher cell and the cell

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<v Speaker 17>that is more important for Israelis is how is this

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<v Speaker 17>going to go down with the American people? And this

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<v Speaker 17>is a question that Biden asked openly. Why should the Americans?

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<v Speaker 17>Why does this matter to the American people? And this

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<v Speaker 17>is where he was saying that basically terrorism and dictatorship

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<v Speaker 17>here talking about Hamas and Putin need to pay the price,

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<v Speaker 17>otherwise there will be more death, more destruction, and it

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<v Speaker 17>is in the national security interests of the United States.

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<v Speaker 17>And he does this appeal to the people of the

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<v Speaker 17>United States because he's going to ask for a lot

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<v Speaker 17>of money. We understand sixty billion dollars of that is

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<v Speaker 17>for Ukraine and fourteen billion is for Israeli defense, but

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<v Speaker 17>also another ten for humanitarian efforts, including Gaza. And again

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<v Speaker 17>he warned Israel in this speech, as he's done repeatedly,

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<v Speaker 17>evoking nine to eleven, saying the US sought revenge, they

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<v Speaker 17>got justice, but they should not be blinded by rage

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<v Speaker 17>because they made mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the risk that this spills over more widely.

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<v Speaker 18>Well, that really depends on a ground war if or

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<v Speaker 18>when it starts. It certainly seems that is Israel's intent

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<v Speaker 18>still to go into Gaza and what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 18>We do know that there's been some discussion, including from

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<v Speaker 18>the US, about perhaps helping frame that. Would it be

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<v Speaker 18>a more targeted incursion than a full scale war and

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<v Speaker 18>a lot will depend on that, quite frankly, but also

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<v Speaker 18>the unknowns of Iran and does Iran just say we

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<v Speaker 18>can't sit by, We need to do something. The risk

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<v Speaker 18>has to be high, and that's why you're seeing that

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<v Speaker 18>level of diplomacy in the region to try and avert it.

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<v Speaker 3>Rosalind Matheson and Oliver Crook of Bloomberg News team coverage

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<v Speaker 3>as the war between Israel and Hamas extends Intoday fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>Olie Roz, thanks to you both for being with us

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<v Speaker 3>this morning. Now we want to turn from geopolitics to

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<v Speaker 3>the US economy. We did hear from Federal Reserve Chairman

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<v Speaker 3>Jerome Powell at the Economic Club of New York giving

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<v Speaker 3>a speech followed by a conversation with bloom David Weston.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to part of that discussion.

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<v Speaker 19>Now, are you surprised at how resilient the United States

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<v Speaker 19>economiation across the board. It seems like a very strong

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<v Speaker 19>economy despite all you've done to try to slow it down.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, so we certainly have a very resilient economy on

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<v Speaker 9>our hands. We've got the economy growing strongly. If you

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<v Speaker 9>think back a year, many forecasts called for the US

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<v Speaker 9>economy economy to be in recession this year.

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<v Speaker 5>Not only has that.

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<v Speaker 9>Not happened, growth is now running for this year above

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<v Speaker 9>its longer run trend. So that's been a surprise, driven

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<v Speaker 9>largely by consumer spending, driven by a very strong job

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<v Speaker 9>market with people getting jobs with high first time nominal wages,

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<v Speaker 9>and that as inflation has come down real wages, which

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<v Speaker 9>is spurring spending. And we've also had inflation coming down,

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<v Speaker 9>so you know that's it really is a story of

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<v Speaker 9>much stronger demand. There may also be there may be

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<v Speaker 9>some ways in which the economy is less affected by

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<v Speaker 9>interest rates. It's hard to know precisely, but for example, companies,

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<v Speaker 9>many companies, any company with bond market access will have

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<v Speaker 9>termed out its debt right and therefore may not be

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<v Speaker 9>feeling the effects of higher rates. The same may be

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<v Speaker 9>true of homeowners who have a long term, fixed rate,

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<v Speaker 9>low rate mortgage, who then are therefore not because it's

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<v Speaker 9>not an adjustable rate or a higher rate, they're not

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<v Speaker 9>feeling that increase in rates, so the economy may be

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<v Speaker 9>somewhat less susceptible to the effects.

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<v Speaker 5>Of rate increases.

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<v Speaker 9>On the other hand, if you look at look at

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<v Speaker 9>interra sensitive spending, these are very much the places where

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<v Speaker 9>we see where we expect to see and do see effects.

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<v Speaker 9>So for example, in housing or in you know, the

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<v Speaker 9>housing effector has been sector.

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<v Speaker 5>Has been very affected by higher rates, as purchases of

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<v Speaker 5>durable goods.

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<v Speaker 9>If you look at surveys, people will not say that

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<v Speaker 9>it's a good time to buy a car or a house.

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<v Speaker 5>Quite the contrary.

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<v Speaker 9>So we see policy working through its usual channels. It

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<v Speaker 9>may just be that rates haven't been high enough for

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<v Speaker 9>long enough. And again it's all happening in the context

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<v Speaker 9>of a very strong demand.

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<v Speaker 5>We've had other speculators.

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<v Speaker 19>Maybe the terming out of debt, as you say, both

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<v Speaker 19>corporate debt and hustle debt, may diminish the effectiveness of

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<v Speaker 19>rate hikes. Do you have a view of whether that's true,

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<v Speaker 19>And if it is true, what does it say about

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<v Speaker 19>mantre plus. Does it mean you have to go farther

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<v Speaker 19>in the rate hikes or do you just not have

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<v Speaker 19>the power to affect it.

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<v Speaker 9>So no, I don't think that there's a fundamental shift

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<v Speaker 9>in the way that interest rates affect the economy. There

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<v Speaker 9>may be some differences in this cycle because of what

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<v Speaker 9>I mentioned. As I mentioned, we are seeing those are

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<v Speaker 9>the effects where we expect to see them, which is

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<v Speaker 9>interrasensitive spending, and also asset prices to some extent in

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<v Speaker 9>the exchange rate, which you're also seeing a strong exchange rate,

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<v Speaker 9>which is disinflationary. So I don't think there's a fundamental

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<v Speaker 9>change in the way monetary policy affects the economy. And

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<v Speaker 9>again it goes back to just very strong demand. We

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<v Speaker 9>take the economy as it is, We take fiscal power

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<v Speaker 9>and the economy and all the things we don't control,

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<v Speaker 9>they come to us, and we conduct policy always to

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<v Speaker 9>achieve maximum employment and stable prices. So we just take

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<v Speaker 9>what comes the fact that we have a strong, growing economy,

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<v Speaker 9>a strong growing labor market, and you know, inflation coming down.

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<v Speaker 9>These are the elements that we want to see that

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<v Speaker 9>to achieve the outcome we want. It may take more time,

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<v Speaker 9>but ultimately those that's this is the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 9>you would want to see along the path to getting

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<v Speaker 9>through this without a big increase in unemployment?

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<v Speaker 19>How much effect thus far has the FED had. We

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<v Speaker 19>all have memorized how long and variable legs? How long

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<v Speaker 19>and how variable? And where are you in that process?

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<v Speaker 19>Are you at the twenty five percent point the fifercent

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<v Speaker 19>in terms of seeing it in the effect in the

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<v Speaker 19>real economy.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's there's no precision in our understanding of how

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<v Speaker 5>long legs are.

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<v Speaker 9>One thing that has changed in the modern era is

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<v Speaker 9>that markets now, over the course of the last thirty years,

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<v Speaker 9>central banks have decided, instead of being secretive, to be

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<v Speaker 9>very transparent. And what that has meant is that markets

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<v Speaker 9>move actually well in anticipation, well before our policy moves.

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<v Speaker 9>So the transmission from policy moves to financial conditions actually

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<v Speaker 9>happens before the moves now, whereas that was not the

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<v Speaker 9>case fifty years ago when Milton Friedman coined the phrase

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<v Speaker 9>along and variable legs. But now you have financial conditions

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<v Speaker 9>changing and the questions how does it affect the economy?

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<v Speaker 9>The standard channels are asset prices and such intersensitive spending

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<v Speaker 9>in the exchange rate, for example. And again we do

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<v Speaker 9>see that happening, just not as fast as we would like.

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<v Speaker 9>And I would attribute some of that to just stronger demand.

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<v Speaker 9>Household savings were turned out to be higher. Household spending

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<v Speaker 9>has been stronger, and that's by far.

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<v Speaker 5>The largest part of the economy.

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<v Speaker 19>In order to conduct monetary policy effectively, do you need

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<v Speaker 19>at least hypothesis about how much already hit the economy,

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<v Speaker 19>because it's hard to know how much more you need

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<v Speaker 19>to do if you don't know how far you've come.

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<v Speaker 9>So on legs, I think if you think back, it's

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<v Speaker 9>been a year now since the last seventy five basis

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<v Speaker 9>point hike we did. It was the November meeting in

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<v Speaker 9>twenty twenty two. The first one was in June, so

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<v Speaker 9>it's more than a year, so we should be seeing

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<v Speaker 9>the effects. By the way, they don't all just arrive

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<v Speaker 9>on one day. They arrive and then they're thought to

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<v Speaker 9>peak and then to diminish. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>uncertainty around lags, and one of the reasons why we

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<v Speaker 9>have slowed down significantly this year is to give monetary

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<v Speaker 9>policy time to work. The truth is, though you can

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<v Speaker 9>find academic support for different different speeds and duration of lags,

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<v Speaker 9>so we have to use our eyes and a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit of risk management. In patients in slowing down the

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<v Speaker 9>pace to make sure that we are seeing the full effects.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think again that's part of why we've slowed

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<v Speaker 9>down this year. We went very quickly in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 9>two to catch up to where we need to be,

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<v Speaker 9>and now we're moving carefully with these decisions.

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<v Speaker 19>So when you spoke back in August of twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 19>and sort of laid out the revisions to the framework

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<v Speaker 19>as it were, you said that in terms of anticipated growth,

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<v Speaker 19>the sort of consensus have gone from something like two

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<v Speaker 19>point five to one point eight percent. I think we're

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<v Speaker 19>the numbers you laid out of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Where are you now? Where's the FED? Where are you?

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<v Speaker 19>And what you think? Basically?

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<v Speaker 5>The long run growth is.

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<v Speaker 9>Long run potential growth is not something that moves around

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<v Speaker 9>a lot over time. But I would my own guess

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<v Speaker 9>is it's around two percent. I think that the standard

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<v Speaker 9>mainstream view would be a little bit below two percent,

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<v Speaker 9>but I would just say two percent real growth over time.

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<v Speaker 9>And you know what causes growth is you know, growth

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<v Speaker 9>in hours worked plus growth in productivity.

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<v Speaker 5>Growth in hours worked is.

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<v Speaker 9>A function of population growth in the long run and

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<v Speaker 9>also labor force participation. Many things affect productivity but if

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<v Speaker 9>you if you drop in reasonable standard longer term estimates

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<v Speaker 9>of hours work growth and productivity, which is just out

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<v Speaker 9>put per hour productivity growth, you get something around two percent,

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<v Speaker 9>and that's higher than most other advanced economies.

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<v Speaker 19>As you look at it, do you see historical precedents

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<v Speaker 19>for having growing economy with high rates over a long

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<v Speaker 19>period of time, I mean as you look back, I

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<v Speaker 19>mean like the late nineties, for example. What analogies do

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<v Speaker 19>you draw as you try to determine what this might

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<v Speaker 19>be doing at the economy with a longer term.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's really a question about what the level of

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<v Speaker 9>rates will be going for what the neutral level will be,

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<v Speaker 9>And I think it's very hard to know confidently what

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<v Speaker 9>the answer to that will be in five years. Some

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<v Speaker 9>of the reasons why rates were low for the last

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<v Speaker 9>twenty five years were just the aging of the global

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<v Speaker 9>population and globalization, and so lots of savings and relatively

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<v Speaker 9>with an aging population, savings greater than investment, so rates

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<v Speaker 9>are lower and productivity was low. So all of those

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<v Speaker 9>led to low interest rates. So what has changed with

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<v Speaker 9>the pandemic. You might see less effect from globalization, certainly

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<v Speaker 9>demographics that the aging of the global population is not changed.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, this is a discussion we're having on an

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<v Speaker 9>ongoing basis. It doesn't really affect current policy. But where

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<v Speaker 9>will rates settle out? What will be at a normal rate?

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<v Speaker 9>So if a typical FED tightening cycle would leave you

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<v Speaker 9>at five or six percent, and this is in the

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<v Speaker 9>before the pandemic and before this the low inflation period,

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<v Speaker 9>you would have had had FED rates in four or

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<v Speaker 9>five percent or even higher. Frequently are we going back

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<v Speaker 9>to that?

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<v Speaker 5>I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't want to speculate. I mean, my guess is

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<v Speaker 9>it'll be somewhere in the middle.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I think we can say this now, the

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<v Speaker 9>effective lower bound is not an issue.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we were very concerned about that.

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<v Speaker 9>Right now we're very far from the effective lower bound

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<v Speaker 9>and the economy's handling it just fine. But that's you know,

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<v Speaker 9>that's because we're at a time of really elevated demand

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<v Speaker 9>coming out of the pandemic. As we reopened with fiscal

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<v Speaker 9>stimulus and monetary stimulus. We have very strong deman in

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<v Speaker 9>the United States. Hard to know what the economy will

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<v Speaker 9>want in the way of interest rates when when five

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<v Speaker 9>years from now, in all of the effects of the

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<v Speaker 9>pandemic are behind us.

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