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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Nick Pope with Us. Worked for the United

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Speaker 1: Kingdom's Ministry of Defense for twenty one years, and for

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Speaker 1: much of the early nineties, he who was opposed to

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Speaker 1: a division where his duties included were searching and investigating

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Speaker 1: the UFO phenomenon to assess whether there was any evidence

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Speaker 1: of any threat to the defense of the United Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: Nick took early retirement from that department in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and six and now lives here in the United States,

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Speaker 1: where he works as a broadcast journalist and specializing in

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Speaker 1: stories on UFOs, the unexplained in conspiracy theories, and he's

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Speaker 1: a dear friend of the program. Nick, welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's great to be back. So what do

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Speaker 1: you think of that report that rolled out the end

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Speaker 1: of June, that was sent to Congress, released to us

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Speaker 1: that really didn't say much. Well, I liked it, and

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Speaker 1: I know that's going to be controversial, but I really

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Speaker 1: did like so well. A few phrases leaped out at

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Speaker 1: me amidst the blandness, and I thought, my goodness, that's

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Speaker 1: that's pretty fourth right. I didn't expect them to come

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Speaker 1: out and say it. And the one that springs to

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Speaker 1: mind is the one where it says, and I've got

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Speaker 1: it in front of me now, so this is a

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Speaker 1: direct quote, and it says and a handful of UAP

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Speaker 1: appeared to demonstrate advanced technology. So to me, that was

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Speaker 1: really really important because it was saying, look, this is

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Speaker 1: not misidentifications, this is not hoaxes, this is not psychological delusions.

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Speaker 1: It's not weather balloons, it's not swamp gas. It's advanced technology.

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Speaker 1: But who or what? So that gave me hope because

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Speaker 1: I thought, that's that's gone to Congress. The who or

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Speaker 1: what was important because they didn't really say it was

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Speaker 1: our technology. They did not admit that it was Russian

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Speaker 1: or Chinese, and they did definitely didn't admit that it

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Speaker 1: was extraterrestrial. They just kind of keep the door open,

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Speaker 1: don't they very much? So yes, and it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I predicted this, not a lot of people did. But

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Speaker 1: the word extraterrestrial and the word alien do not appeal

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Speaker 1: a single time in the report. And that's deliberate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you could say that it's hidden under this category they

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Speaker 1: categorize things, and they have this category of other, so

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Speaker 1: you could say by implication it's there. But yeah, as

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Speaker 1: you say, they really haven't taken much off the table

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Speaker 1: in terms of eliminating the main theories. Is it our

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Speaker 1: own secret black project technology, is it Russia? Is it China?

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Speaker 1: Is it extraterrestrial? All of that is still in play.

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Speaker 1: So in many ways, I think that should give the

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Speaker 1: UFO community hope. I mean, they say, look, there is

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Speaker 1: no single need solution to the UFO mystery, and there

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Speaker 1: may be multiple things going on. But while they certainly

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Speaker 1: have and endorsed the extraterrestrial hypothesis, as I say, neither

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Speaker 1: have they eliminated it. That should give the UFO community

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Speaker 1: some cause for comfort. Well, most are your friends in

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Speaker 1: the community, neck they were pretty disappointed in the report,

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Speaker 1: But I like you share the views that what didn't

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Speaker 1: you expect? Well, absolutely, I think I think the UFO

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Speaker 1: community were incorrectly thinking about this as an imminent disclosure

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Speaker 1: and it was never going to be that. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: of course it says right on the front a preliminary assessment,

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Speaker 1: so it's not even the final word on this. So

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Speaker 1: if anyone thinks, oh, they've dismissed it. It is only

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Speaker 1: an interim report and there's there's more to come. But

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Speaker 1: I felt as I mentioned that phrase about advanced technology

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Speaker 1: leaped out at me. But I was even more amazed

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Speaker 1: in a sense that they put this in the classified version.

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Speaker 1: They went on to say that some of the cases

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Speaker 1: that they looked at they were processing radio frequency energy

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Speaker 1: in other words, whatever it is that they were picking

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Speaker 1: up on multiple sensor systems. Of course, and that's another

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Speaker 1: important part of all this, it was putting out energy.

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Speaker 1: You're pretty familiar with classified reports when you were with

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Speaker 1: the UK Ministry in defense. This report to Congress was classified,

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Speaker 1: So just speculate for a moment, what do you think

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Speaker 1: was in it that we didn't see? Well, this is

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting question because there's a lot of debate

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Speaker 1: about this. The unclassified summary, as you know, runs to

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Speaker 1: nine pages. Apparently the classified version. There were lots of

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Speaker 1: different rumors about this, but according to the public affairs

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Speaker 1: folks at Office of Director of National Intelligence, the classified

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Speaker 1: version is about double that. It's just it's seven seen

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Speaker 1: pages and they say they say that it's not fundamentally

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Speaker 1: different in its headline conclusions from the main report. And

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Speaker 1: as you say, I'm familiar with the way this works.

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Speaker 1: I believe them when they say that you never have

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Speaker 1: an unclassified report that says the answer to your question

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Speaker 1: is A, and then the classified version that says the

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Speaker 1: answer is B. It just doesn't work like that. The

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Speaker 1: classified version will contain a lot more scientific and technical information.

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Speaker 1: It will go into the capabilities of military radar systems

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Speaker 1: and other sensor systems, but the overall conclusions, which as

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Speaker 1: you say, are pretty vague, but the overall conclusions won't

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Speaker 1: be different. So you won't leaf through that seventeen page

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Speaker 1: classified report and suddenly see a section going now about

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Speaker 1: the aliens. Now, I do believe too than if somebody

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Speaker 1: leaks the classified report, it's illegal. They could be arrested,

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Speaker 1: can't they. They absolutely can, yes, there Recently the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration have said that they're walking back some of the

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Speaker 1: rules about what would happen if journalists acquire classified information,

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Speaker 1: you know, going after journalist notes, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Very controversial, but there is absolutely no indication that the

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Speaker 1: current administration is going to change the rules on divulging

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Speaker 1: classified information. And rightly so, rightly so, if you put

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Speaker 1: classified information out there, it's not just telling the American people,

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Speaker 1: it's telling Russia and China. So yeah, I support keeping

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Speaker 1: things tight. And yeah, if if it leaks, somebody will

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Speaker 1: get a knock on the door. Yeah, I think so too.

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Speaker 1: How does this report move forward? What's next? Well, it

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Speaker 1: does actually say what's next, and a few few things

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Speaker 1: again leapt out at me. Firstly, they are beefing up

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Speaker 1: the system of reporting, particularly in the military. As you know,

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Speaker 1: there's been a culture of stigma and ridicule about this

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Speaker 1: dating back decades, and that's got to change. And I

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Speaker 1: think the report recognizes that we don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of reports that we should have because people are still

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Speaker 1: reluctant to come forward. So there's work to do. The

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Speaker 1: Navy did some work on this a year or two ago,

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Speaker 1: but there's more work to be done to patch up

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Speaker 1: the system to make sure that people can report with

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Speaker 1: confidence and without fear. So that's part of it. The

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Speaker 1: other thing is more interesting. I think it's it's getting

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Speaker 1: into the weeds of some of the technical stuff. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, to give one illustration, radar operators, because there's

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Speaker 1: so much flying these days, they use filter programs to

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Speaker 1: effectively edit out anything that doesn't behave like a conventional aircraft,

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Speaker 1: for example, by carrying a transponder. Well, the report says, look,

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Speaker 1: we may be missing a trick with some of these UFOs.

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Speaker 1: We need to look again at some of the information

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Speaker 1: we have, maybe take off the filters and see what's

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Speaker 1: been slipping through the net. So a lot of what

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Speaker 1: happens next is going to be utilizing, but much better

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Speaker 1: the technical systems we have, whether it's satellites, whether it's

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Speaker 1: forward looking in for red cameras, whether it's radar systems,

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