Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the
Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. We are excited to team
Speaker 1: up for today's interview because we both know and genuinely
Speaker 1: like this guest so much that we wanted to do
Speaker 1: this together. It is Pilot Pete Day. Peter Webber, who
Speaker 1: is on Hannah Brown's season of the Bachelorette. Left broken hearted,
Speaker 1: but then he became the star of his own show.
Speaker 1: He was our bachelor and ended kind of well. Didn't
Speaker 1: go well, ended well.
Speaker 2: From an entertaining perspective, great television, didn't end great for Peter.
Speaker 2: To refresh your memory, this was Madison, Pruett, Hannah and
Speaker 2: sless Kelly Flanagan was involved and it all kind of
Speaker 2: crash landed. I hate to say, but Peter is doing
Speaker 2: so well and we're so excited to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Peter Weber joins us now. And it has been too
Speaker 1: long since I have seen you, my friend. How have
Speaker 1: you been?
Speaker 3: I've been good man, it has it's been it's been
Speaker 3: a minute. I think what was the last time is
Speaker 3: when you were moving out of out of West Westlake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was Oh my gosh, you came
Speaker 4: over with Kelly flanagain.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yes, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: We had a glass of wine on our back patio.
Speaker 1: It was Lauren and I and you and Kelly. You
Speaker 1: guys kind of came and hit out and we just
Speaker 1: sat and had a nice bottle of wine, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the last time we saw you.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when I would I'd fly my drone
Speaker 3: over to your house from my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember that? We were like two kids.
Speaker 1: It was like so so people that don't know Peter
Speaker 1: lives in this thing called first neighborhood. I lived in
Speaker 1: this little neighborhood called the Trails. We were up in
Speaker 1: Westlake Village. Actually, bizarrely, as the crow flies, probably five
Speaker 1: miles from the Bachelor Mansion is where Peter grew up
Speaker 1: and where I lived. And if you you could almost
Speaker 1: hit a golf ball from my back deck to Peter's
Speaker 1: house and he would fly his drone and so he
Speaker 1: would call or text me and I would walk out
Speaker 1: and there'd be a drone right off my deck. And
Speaker 1: it was it was we were like two kids with
Speaker 1: walkie talkies. It's almost my brother and I we had
Speaker 1: the soup cans with the strings. It's like Peter Peter
Speaker 1: hear me. So yeah, we were like eight year olds.
Speaker 3: I got I gotta find that because I recorded I
Speaker 3: had that footage somewhere, so I gotta find that.
Speaker 5: I walked out there.
Speaker 1: It was it was really bizarre.
Speaker 4: Wow, were you naked?
Speaker 1: I was buck gass naked.
Speaker 5: Yes, actually, we're not going to reveal that footage.
Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, so so not much has changed since
Speaker 1: the last time we saw you.
Speaker 3: No, I mean a loe. Yeah, let's see. So I
Speaker 3: was still living back. Yeah, I was living at home
Speaker 3: and was like with my parents out there. I moved
Speaker 3: out to UH to New York, New York City in
Speaker 3: January of twenty one, and yeah, I've just been here
Speaker 3: ever since. I had a little stint in Midtown East
Speaker 3: and Upper East Side and now I'm in Flat Iron.
Speaker 5: Been out here for about a year. Just renew my lease.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be here at least one more year, and
Speaker 3: just living the dream man flying for United based out
Speaker 3: of Newark on the seven eight, doing awesome flying out
Speaker 3: to Europe, about to Asia, India, South Africa. So really
Speaker 3: really enjoying that, yeah, and just enjoying living in city.
Speaker 2: But Peter, you're such a warm person. And I really
Speaker 2: mean this. I was thinking about that because, by the way,
Speaker 2: will pandemic time like threw us all off. I don't
Speaker 2: know it was years, but was it. It feels like
Speaker 2: no time has passed. But I just still feel it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it's been that long, like I was wishing.
Speaker 2: I was thinking today, I'm like, oh, yeah, well, I
Speaker 2: forgot Peter couldn't come to the wedding.
Speaker 4: Was that because you were filming Traders?
Speaker 3: No, And I was so close. I was in Dallas
Speaker 3: for another wedding I had to go to. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was with my brother and I was so bummed because
Speaker 3: we were so close to Austin.
Speaker 2: I know, I wish we'd seen you at the wedding,
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel like it's been that long. But
Speaker 2: I was watching you on Traders. I was telling Chris this,
Speaker 2: and by the way, I loved you on Traders. You
Speaker 2: were so great.
Speaker 5: But I thank you.
Speaker 4: It was such a different Peter.
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe it has been a couple of years,
Speaker 2: because you seemed so grown up to me. You seemed
Speaker 2: so so much more comfortable in your skin, you seemed lighter,
Speaker 2: Like do you feel quite different now than you did
Speaker 2: a few years ago?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: And I mean I think I owe a lot of
Speaker 3: that to honest in my experience, like getting into reality
Speaker 3: TV and all the experiences I've had with that obviously
Speaker 3: from The Bachelor and then moving on to The Traders.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that Also just moving to
Speaker 3: New York City, you know, moving out. I lived at
Speaker 3: home for a long time, so there's only, you know,
Speaker 3: only so much growth you can have until that does happen.
Speaker 3: But I've been, you know, super fortunate and and just
Speaker 3: really enjoyed this time.
Speaker 5: And I've had a lot of time on my own.
Speaker 3: I've been by myself, you know a lot, and I
Speaker 3: really never had, I guess, that opportunity until I came
Speaker 3: to New York. So it's funny you say that, I've
Speaker 3: heard that that kind of reception from a lot of people,
Speaker 3: so I take it as a positive thing, and I
Speaker 3: would tend to agree. But yeah, I think just a
Speaker 3: lot of growth, for sure, has happened in the last
Speaker 3: you know, a couple of years, for sure.
Speaker 1: Cutting that ambilical cord. There is something about safety and
Speaker 1: something about just knowing that someone's there to take care
Speaker 1: and whether it's your mom, dad, whatever, just you're at home, right.
Speaker 1: It's and it's the friendly confines of you grew up
Speaker 1: in Westlake Village. You just know everything and it's safe.
Speaker 1: Growing when you were out on your own. Moving to
Speaker 1: New York is obviously an extreme situation to be able
Speaker 1: to grow and to kind of spread your wings, so
Speaker 1: to speak. So it had to have been a good
Speaker 1: thing for you and probably something you didn't even know
Speaker 1: until you did it.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, I definitely had you know, I think
Speaker 3: obviously I probably lived at home probably a lot longer than.
Speaker 5: The average person. Mom.
Speaker 4: I forgot. Mom used to make breakfast for your dates.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that barb God, what an kind of television.
Speaker 1: I should have said, he cut the am barbical cord.
Speaker 5: No, it was. It was great.
Speaker 3: I mean, the good thing about when I was living
Speaker 3: at home, though again, the nature of my job it
Speaker 3: did afford me a lot of that independence.
Speaker 5: Still, I was gone at least half the.
Speaker 3: Month, you know, three quarters of the month just with
Speaker 3: work in general, so I still had a little bit
Speaker 3: of that independence. But yeah, I would definitely attribute just yeah,
Speaker 3: moving on and growing up, if you will, kind of
Speaker 3: getting comfortable into your own skin. Definitely was the move
Speaker 3: out here, and it's been great. I've made an insane
Speaker 3: group of new friends, awesome community. I've been able to
Speaker 3: surround myself with so many opportunities out in New York.
Speaker 5: This is I am obsessed with it out here.
Speaker 3: It's funny like I feel like a lot of people,
Speaker 3: either what I've learned, either hate New York or you
Speaker 3: love it. There's no in between, right I'm the side
Speaker 3: that I love it. I'm one of the only pilots
Speaker 3: that I know that I fly with that's based out
Speaker 3: of New York or New York that lives in the city.
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks I'm crazy for doing that, all my colleagues,
Speaker 3: but for me, it's just this city. I feel like
Speaker 3: I just I thrive in it. I love the energy
Speaker 3: and specifically this year, I've been saying, I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is about twenty four. This has been like
Speaker 3: the best year yet and I really really feel good
Speaker 3: about it and what's to come, and just in a
Speaker 3: really really good good place right now for sure.
Speaker 2: Wow, look at and by the way I meant it
Speaker 2: in the most complimentary way you want.
Speaker 4: I know, Wow, So how do you feel like you've changed?
Speaker 2: Like, there was one thing you said on Traders at
Speaker 2: one point I think you said, uh, this is so
Speaker 2: much less stressful than the Bachelor.
Speaker 5: Well it was.
Speaker 2: So that made me wonder was Peter just super stressed
Speaker 2: on the Bachelor or has he changed a lot since then?
Speaker 4: Maybe it's both. How do you feel like you've changed totally?
Speaker 3: So going back to that comment, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I just I love to reflect and I and I
Speaker 3: just think super deeply and I do a lot of that.
Speaker 3: But reflecting on my experience with The Bachelor, I I
Speaker 3: was the biggest people pleaser in the world going through
Speaker 3: that experience, and I thought I was just doing it
Speaker 3: truly out of like the goodness of my heart, and
Speaker 3: I thought that was the best way to go about
Speaker 3: it in that unique kind of situation. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: being in that role, you have a kind of a responsibility.
Speaker 3: At least I felt to, you know, give a certain
Speaker 3: portion of yourself to each individual woman, and they had
Speaker 3: done so much to be there, and I just, you know,
Speaker 3: looking back on it and then just replaying things and reflecting,
Speaker 3: I was a big people pleaser, and that's one thing
Speaker 3: that I've definitely grown out of. And I think actually
Speaker 3: specifically kind of translating that towards The Traders, I think
Speaker 3: I showed exactly that I wasn't so much in that
Speaker 3: mode of trying to be people you know, Peter the
Speaker 3: people pleaser anymore and just trying to make everyone happy.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of just that's always been in my nature.
Speaker 3: But I've definitely grown from that. And and I was
Speaker 3: you know, making moves and and playing strategic games not
Speaker 3: necessarily with that as like my main priority. And I
Speaker 3: was putting myself first and a lot more of the situations.
Speaker 3: And I think I've done not just on you know,
Speaker 3: on TV or on The Traders, but just generally in
Speaker 3: life as well. That's probably the biggest lesson that I
Speaker 3: think I've learned about myself and like something I wanted
Speaker 3: to kind of change and evolve into something different about
Speaker 3: still maintain a little bit of that, because again, that's
Speaker 3: just at.
Speaker 5: My core and who I am and in my heart.
Speaker 3: But I would say that's the biggest change I would see,
Speaker 3: I would say for myself for sure up to this point.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very interesting people that come from our show
Speaker 1: translate to other shows very well. A, they're very beloved.
Speaker 5: That's so true, Chris.
Speaker 1: But it's something about you, how I guess the mental
Speaker 1: gymnastics and emotional gymnastics we put you through on the
Speaker 1: Bacher Bacherrette. You know, whether Tanna Brown and Tyler went
Speaker 1: off to do that Special Forces thing, you've done, Traders
Speaker 1: already did Traders. What is it do you think about
Speaker 1: boot Camp Bachelor that prepares you for these other shows?
Speaker 5: So well, that's a great question because you're you're spot on.
Speaker 3: It's it's there's been a lot of success from the show,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: I I don't, I don't know. I guess, I guess
Speaker 5: it is just a very very to me.
Speaker 3: Specifically doing The Bachelor, it was truly the hardest, most
Speaker 3: difficult two months I've ever gone ever, Like I can
Speaker 3: truly say that in my life. And there were so
Speaker 3: many incredible highs, incredible lows as well everything in between.
Speaker 3: And I guess through the nature of the show, maybe
Speaker 3: there's a lot of the people that come off of
Speaker 3: it have similar experiences, some hire, some lower.
Speaker 5: But I think, yeah, it just it was such a.
Speaker 3: It was a great platform looking back on just to
Speaker 3: be able to look back to and reflect and and
Speaker 3: try to dissect why was I that way in that situation,
Speaker 3: or you know, being able to compare difficult situations that
Speaker 3: maybe I'm going through now later in life, and I
Speaker 3: compare them back to moments that I can, in a heartbeat,
Speaker 3: go back to and feel the exact sensation and feeling
Speaker 3: that I was feeling, you know, back then that it's like, Ay,
Speaker 3: this is this really isn't that bad?
Speaker 5: You know, I've got tougher skin. And there's a reason
Speaker 5: for that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's just a lot of good experience. And
Speaker 3: obviously the show itself is designed to, you know, as
Speaker 3: you know, to you know, just go find love and
Speaker 3: hopefully find a partner. But there's so many other benefits
Speaker 3: that come from that show and opportunities for growth that
Speaker 3: the average viewer I don't think actually realizes is actually
Speaker 3: happening and going on with that individual person. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think, like you said, it's just a great boot
Speaker 3: camp in a weird way to kind of set you
Speaker 3: up for success and other stuff.
Speaker 1: I like watching all of you go off and do
Speaker 1: other shows, and it's I find it very interesting to
Speaker 1: watch the dynamic and almost I feel like it almost
Speaker 1: makes y'all producers. You becoming producer. You start thinking five
Speaker 1: steps ahead of the game that's being played, which is
Speaker 1: very fascinating. That's why I think you guys do so well.
Speaker 2: Maybe because Bachelor is so much about like analyzing who
Speaker 2: you are and figuring out what's wrong with you and
Speaker 2: why you haven't found love yet. And it's like a
Speaker 2: lot of analyzing yourself and other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's also about you. Right. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're one of one on the Bachelor, right,
Speaker 1: it was you, man, it's your life. You are cut
Speaker 1: open on the operating table and you are exposed. Whereas Traders,
Speaker 1: it's like I can I'm one of many and I
Speaker 1: can kind of be the persona I want it this time.
Speaker 2: And well that was what was so smart about you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Peter surprised everybody. He's like, he's he's
Speaker 2: not this like sweet little Pete on Traders.
Speaker 1: You caught some shit in the press. It's like the
Speaker 1: way he's playing is ruining the game, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh this is awesome.
Speaker 5: Listen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I played hard. I played really hard. I wasn't
Speaker 3: holding back. It was so funny because I didn't really
Speaker 3: I really didn't ever expect to go back on reality TV.
Speaker 3: This was a really really cool opportunity that just came
Speaker 3: to me, honestly, like a week before we even started filming,
Speaker 3: and so super last minute.
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, you guys know me. I mean, yes, man,
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: I had seen a couple episodes with Ari, so I
Speaker 3: was like, all about it and I went into it
Speaker 3: and it's funny, Yeah, you bring that up. I guess
Speaker 3: if there is any kind of relation, it was more
Speaker 3: relatable to the Bachelorette. You're right, because you can kind
Speaker 3: of blend in a little bit more. It's not just
Speaker 3: it's not the U Show, kind of like at the forefront.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I just I just kind
Speaker 3: of thrived in that environment a.
Speaker 5: Little bit more.
Speaker 3: But I think I was able to take advantage too
Speaker 3: of like some preconceived notions from people I know. Oh,
Speaker 3: I definitely did, because people, I think were definitely underestimated me.
Speaker 5: For whatever reason. I didn't realize people thought I was
Speaker 5: so dumb.
Speaker 3: I guess it's like that's a thing that I've received
Speaker 3: so much of and I'm like, guy, it's not that
Speaker 3: it's not easy to be a pilot.
Speaker 4: I never thought you were dumb. You're a pilot.
Speaker 2: You know, you had an experience I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: else had. I mean I was literally filming my recap
Speaker 2: show Roses and Rose like the night before shutdown happened.
Speaker 2: It was like we got in that filming and then
Speaker 2: I think the world shut down, and you had this
Speaker 2: experience where most people come off doing a big reality
Speaker 2: show and they have like all these opportunities and all
Speaker 2: this press and everything's going on, and you kind of
Speaker 2: went off your show and then went into the an
Speaker 2: unprecedented lockdown.
Speaker 4: Looking back, how do you think that affected you like that?
Speaker 2: I mean I remember that was when like you and
Speaker 2: Kelly kind of got back together and everybody was like, well,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Where were you at that and how
Speaker 2: did it affect you going from the show to lockdown?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I that when I kind of, like earlier on
Speaker 3: said that, you know, there's moments that I kind of
Speaker 3: go back to and I can compare, like, a it's
Speaker 3: really is in that bad compared to something else I've
Speaker 3: been through. I would say like the end of The
Speaker 3: Bachelor was the biggest moments where I was tested as
Speaker 3: like a human being. That was very, very difficult for me,
Speaker 3: and I just had never experienced anything like that. You
Speaker 3: got to imagine, you know, I was on top of
Speaker 3: the world, right I'm you go through.
Speaker 5: A normal, normal guy.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously he got a job, he's you know, passion,
Speaker 3: is obsessed with and life's going good. And then you
Speaker 3: get these cool opportunities and you batch threat and then
Speaker 3: your life just changes overnight.
Speaker 5: You're getting you know, travel around the world and just
Speaker 5: this whole new world is open to you.
Speaker 3: And then to have this insane honor of hey, we
Speaker 3: want you to be the guy and and have you
Speaker 3: be the Bachelor. It's like this is getting better and better,
Speaker 3: and just kept climbing it and you know, at some point,
Speaker 3: probably something's going to crash, right, It's just life ups
Speaker 3: and downs and and so I went through that whole phase,
Speaker 3: and and we had so much success with the show too,
Speaker 3: as you know that season was airing, and I was,
Speaker 3: you know, definitely proud of all that.
Speaker 5: But ultimately, you know, what I really did want in.
Speaker 3: That it really was like I'd throw everything else away
Speaker 3: to have found someone in that moment to you know,
Speaker 3: have started a life with. And obviously that didn't happen
Speaker 3: with me, and so that was really really tough, and
Speaker 3: you know, and then there was you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of the back and forth with certain relationships that just
Speaker 3: kind of was like a little bit of toxicity just
Speaker 3: coming into my life with that, and and then you
Speaker 3: put in a shutdown, and then you put the end
Speaker 3: of the world in right, and we mix all this
Speaker 3: stuff together. It was just like, holy shit, I was
Speaker 3: up here and now I'm right here.
Speaker 5: This is tough, and and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a tough period. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I owe a lot of it to Kelly. I I mean,
Speaker 3: she we I think that's also a reason why we
Speaker 3: got so close so quickly, just because we you know,
Speaker 3: especially I where I'd been and what I was going through,
Speaker 3: and you know, her situation was a little bit different,
Speaker 3: but we obviously bonded and we helped each other with that.
Speaker 3: So I'm very thankful for that relationship for that reason.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I just I don't know, it just that
Speaker 3: was such a hard point in my life. But I'm
Speaker 3: not mad about it. I'm very grateful for you because
Speaker 3: now I see where I'm at again, and I'm so
Speaker 3: grateful for where I'm at and all the opportunities that
Speaker 3: have right now and where life's going. And I don't
Speaker 3: forget though that again, that the pendulum of life and
Speaker 3: how you can have those highs and lows. It was
Speaker 3: a really, really incredible experience to go through for all
Speaker 3: the reasons, and I'll never forget that.
Speaker 4: God, Peter, you were in such a good place.
Speaker 2: I'm like reflecting on this right now because sometimes we
Speaker 2: talk to people and it'll be years after the show
Speaker 2: and they're like, still really really in the trauma.
Speaker 1: And it's true. I mean, you can't enjoy the highs
Speaker 1: if you don't go through the lows. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: and the other adage that I think is very true
Speaker 1: is don't get too high with the highs and don't
Speaker 1: get too low with the lows. It's like they are
Speaker 1: both going to happen. Your season was interesting, Like I
Speaker 1: it was a weird time in the bats or you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed this, but I was
Speaker 1: talking to Lauren about it. And again, I always reflect
Speaker 1: and think back when I know a guest is coming
Speaker 1: on and you know, our relationship wasn't that strong to
Speaker 1: start like I was. It was almost like I was
Speaker 1: kept away from you in the beginning, even though you
Speaker 1: lived right below me, and I'm like, oh, there's this
Speaker 1: guy from Westlake, and I was trying to get to
Speaker 1: know you. And there were certain seasons where and it
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with you or me. It was
Speaker 1: more like the producers would be fighting over uh being
Speaker 1: the bachelor whisperer, right. There was the power dynamic of
Speaker 1: who was going to be, you know, Pete's best friend.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you felt that, and so I never
Speaker 1: I didn't get to know you as well until kind
Speaker 1: of later on in the show. I felt yeah. And
Speaker 1: it was an interesting season because I also probably knew
Speaker 1: you were women less than others, like I didn't know him,
Speaker 1: an I didn't know Madison Pruitt that well. I don't
Speaker 1: just did you just logistics. I think it was just
Speaker 1: logistics of where I was maybe and maybe what was
Speaker 1: going on in life. I don't remember. But and then
Speaker 1: just the travel sometimes dictated whether I really got to
Speaker 1: know or spend time with them in airports and on
Speaker 1: planes and stuff. And we had a wild travel schedule
Speaker 1: with you. I just wasn't as present, emotionally present, and
Speaker 1: I there was a season where I felt like I
Speaker 1: was a little bit detached from unfortunately, which I feel
Speaker 1: bad because I'm like, can I I wasn't there for him.
Speaker 4: Now I'm going into interview mode with him. But do
Speaker 4: you think you were getting burnt out on the show
Speaker 4: at that point?
Speaker 1: For sure? I think yes. Again, I think there was
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on in my life at
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, producers would do their thing
Speaker 1: and I would do my thing.
Speaker 4: But what does that mean?
Speaker 1: What do you mean like when we like well and
Speaker 1: like we were in Brisbane and we were at one
Speaker 1: hotel and then you guys, remember when you went up
Speaker 1: north or we weren't in Brisbane. We were south of
Speaker 1: Brisbane and the Gold Coast, and I forget, where's the rock?
Speaker 5: We went to the north. We went to the Northern
Speaker 5: Territory up near Alice Springs.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're not near Alice Springs, And all my friends like,
Speaker 1: do not go up there?
Speaker 3: It is there is nothing to do with Actually, you're right,
Speaker 3: but I actually that was my favorite place we ever went.
Speaker 1: Well because you had, well, you had shit to do,
Speaker 1: like because obviously we're planning stuff for you to do.
Speaker 1: So you're going to the great stuff and you're in
Speaker 1: the like for me, like you're gonna be in Alice Springs.
Speaker 1: It is a barren waste land. You're going to be
Speaker 1: there for some like. So I stayed in Brisbane and
Speaker 1: hung out by myself in Brisbane for like six days
Speaker 1: when you two was there, went and saw you two
Speaker 1: concert place.
Speaker 2: Well that's when you went to that YouTube concert alone.
Speaker 2: You went to a YouTube concert alone instead of hanging
Speaker 2: out with you.
Speaker 4: What a choice.
Speaker 5: That's why we didn't get close on the show. Bro,
Speaker 5: here's me for you.
Speaker 1: No, it was me, not you. Yeah, I was k
Speaker 1: I was in a dark place. It was weird, weird times.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about that one of the hardest
Speaker 3: parts and that it was with you?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I can I ask you a question?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You a lot to answer stuff.
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, honestly you really are of course, Okay, I've
Speaker 3: always wondered this. Yeah, because you went to the hardest
Speaker 3: part I ever went through where I like I was,
Speaker 3: I was ready to concede.
Speaker 5: I was like, I have nothing left to get strength.
Speaker 3: Gone was the finale day when we're out at the
Speaker 3: that like really beautiful setup right for the engage.
Speaker 1: The most secluded place I've ever been, drove.
Speaker 5: For like an hour in the middle of nowhere to
Speaker 5: get there, now insane.
Speaker 1: We put you by a pond. Yeah, and so I
Speaker 1: came in. I came in and you were a mess.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but then what you told me just completely
Speaker 3: destroyed me. And I think and then they even used it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it was good TV, but they
Speaker 3: used it to open up the season. But it was
Speaker 3: like that line of you know, obviously I'd been going
Speaker 3: through so much up to that point, and then you
Speaker 3: tell them that Hannah and now doesn't know if she
Speaker 3: wants to even show up, doesn't know if she wants
Speaker 3: to come. And at that point, again, I can be
Speaker 3: so brutally honest now, like I you know, I I.
Speaker 5: There was pressure.
Speaker 3: I probably should not have, you know, I shouldn't have
Speaker 3: proposed to Hannah, and like I can honestly say that, and.
Speaker 5: I got caught all caught.
Speaker 3: Up in it for sure. But when you were saying
Speaker 3: that to me, in my mind, I'm battling so much
Speaker 3: here of can I is this the nything to do? Like,
Speaker 3: I just feel so much pressure, I'm stressed out of
Speaker 3: my mind. I'm exhausted, you know, what am I supposed
Speaker 3: to do here? And then you told me that line
Speaker 3: about how she doesn't even know if she wants to
Speaker 3: come now at this point, and then I just I
Speaker 3: think that's when I left, and like I think I
Speaker 3: almost passed out. And uh that yeah, that you guys said,
Speaker 3: have taken like that one of the houses there just
Speaker 3: like lay on the bed because it was so.
Speaker 5: Hot out outside as well?
Speaker 3: Was that actually did they tell you to do that
Speaker 3: or did she actually tell you that?
Speaker 5: Was that for TV? Or what I've always wondered.
Speaker 1: Number One, she did not tell me. I did not
Speaker 1: talk to her. They would They would never. A producer
Speaker 1: would never allow me to talk to her. A producer
Speaker 1: told me one of them, and I forget who was it,
Speaker 1: one of the executive producers, you know, just like three
Speaker 1: or four of them. So what would have happened then
Speaker 1: is I would have come into town. They would have
Speaker 1: told me probably day of when I got there, this
Speaker 1: is what's happened. You need to go out there and
Speaker 1: tell Peter this is what she said. And then what then?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 1: What would happen is I would follow my heart and
Speaker 1: my then I would just try to help any way
Speaker 1: I could. So when I told you, and I think
Speaker 1: we were outside when I told you, right, and it
Speaker 1: was it was like one hundred and ten degrees we
Speaker 1: are You might as well have shot this on the
Speaker 1: on the sun. We're in the Sahara desert.
Speaker 5: Up and suit it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, suit it up, and we're by a pond. It
Speaker 1: was really bizarre. And there was one house that had
Speaker 1: aired air conditioning and you were starting to get faint,
Speaker 1: and so we went in there. I remember you laying
Speaker 1: on the bed and we were just talking and we
Speaker 1: were just at that point talking. But no, how it
Speaker 1: would have worked was executive producers would have told me.
Speaker 1: I basically had my marching orders. I went out and
Speaker 1: told you, and honestly, not knowing if it was true
Speaker 1: or false, I don't know. I trusted them to tell me.
Speaker 5: Yeah the truth, Okay.
Speaker 3: I just had always wonder that because obviously she did
Speaker 3: show up. But yeah, I just remember, like, man, was
Speaker 3: that because that would have hurt if it was like
Speaker 3: if that was done just for TV. At that point,
Speaker 3: I was like please, like I would hope they wouldn't
Speaker 3: have done that to me In that moment, just because
Speaker 3: that was one of the that was the hardest.
Speaker 5: Hardest part of that was that was I was just curious.
Speaker 1: That was absolutely good.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm not remembering was there footage of her saying
Speaker 2: she wasn't going to show up? Like was it true
Speaker 2: that she wasn't going to show up? And have you
Speaker 2: ever talked to her about it? I can't remember this.
Speaker 5: There was no footage.
Speaker 3: I remember I briefly like asked her something about it
Speaker 3: because we were doing a like one of those hero
Speaker 3: shots after like we climbed up on this big rock
Speaker 3: and we had like the glass of champagne and like
Speaker 3: you know, cheers into like the end of the season
Speaker 3: and like love and happiness and all that. And I honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't think I really brought it up to her
Speaker 3: again after that, just because I just kind of put
Speaker 3: it behind me. I think she like vaguely asked her
Speaker 3: was like no, like I was. I was. They had
Speaker 3: me like in a studio or in one of the
Speaker 3: houses for like a couple hours, but.
Speaker 5: Didn't get into too much detail. And that's on me.
Speaker 3: And I really don't know actually why I didn't dive
Speaker 3: into that more with her, But I was just always curious.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the poll now.
Speaker 4: We need to know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I find Peter as I talked to him
Speaker 2: about these things more and you can tell me if
Speaker 2: I'm misrepresenting this, babe. But you were produced to a
Speaker 2: certain extent, it's like you, meaning Chris, you were aware.
Speaker 2: You've been doing the show for years, and you're like
Speaker 2: aware of their tactics at this point, obviously one hundred
Speaker 2: times more than someone knew who's coming in as a
Speaker 2: contestant or a lead. But at the same time, you
Speaker 2: don't know what you don't know, Like you have to
Speaker 2: just trust that your producer's telling you this person feels
Speaker 2: this way, because obviously you can't be like, well, roll
Speaker 2: the tape and show me everything, and I'm and Chris
Speaker 2: isn't there for everything. So to a certain extent, you
Speaker 2: have to like trust what the executive producer is telling you,
Speaker 2: but you also can't guarantee and some little part of
Speaker 2: your brain has to wonder are they lying?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 1: And we would walk through it, you know, I would
Speaker 1: ask you if they told me this is what you know, Hey,
Speaker 1: we need you to say this. I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well you know this is going to crush him or
Speaker 1: we might lose him and this might be the end
Speaker 1: of the show. Are you guys aware that you know,
Speaker 1: are we okay with this? And what I would also
Speaker 1: try to do, as you know, kind of host slash
Speaker 1: producer because you always had that producer hat, because once
Speaker 1: I go into a scene with you, then it's kind
Speaker 1: of on me, you know, and I'm like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you guys want out of this? What's the end goal?
Speaker 1: Like is it to you know, obviously drama and the
Speaker 1: that is part of the goal, but also what is
Speaker 1: our end result? Like are you okay with if Peter's
Speaker 1: done and we just the show's over? And so you know,
Speaker 1: I do fire those questions back to try and like
Speaker 1: get a vibe of like what do you guys want
Speaker 1: out of this? What's the point? And there's things where
Speaker 1: they would push me too far or I think they
Speaker 1: would do something inappropriate where if I felt like it
Speaker 1: was real and it was honest, even if it was tough,
Speaker 1: I would be okay with it. But if it crossed
Speaker 1: that line of just that ethical line, Like there was
Speaker 1: stuff with Colton that I wouldn't say or do, or
Speaker 1: there was certain things that came to mind where I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that on Life TV. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's fair. You know, even with your mom.
Speaker 1: There was stuff with your mom on the Live show
Speaker 1: where they kind of wanted me to be harder or tougher,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, like, that's this is his life,
Speaker 1: you know, I take everyone got the picture.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember hearing from one of the producers once they're
Speaker 3: kind of explaining they're really honest with me, and they're like,
Speaker 3: and again, I get it, because this is it's it's
Speaker 3: a it's a TV show. It's entertainment at the forefront
Speaker 3: for everyone that's watching. But it was interesting. It was
Speaker 3: like the an ideal season, one of the producers told me,
Speaker 3: was to have, you know, seventy five percent of it
Speaker 3: where we can kind of churn up some drama and
Speaker 3: make very difficult moments and.
Speaker 5: Make opportunities for really good TV.
Speaker 3: And but you do it to a certain extent where
Speaker 3: you can get that far along the show with maintaining
Speaker 3: that level of just suspense and drama and all all
Speaker 3: the good stuff that people love to watch, but then
Speaker 3: still the last twenty five percent be able to pull
Speaker 3: out that great love story and have it not be
Speaker 3: affected too much with you know, you know, too much
Speaker 3: maybe toxic here there or whatever it is affecting the
Speaker 3: relationship to really give it a chance to kind of
Speaker 3: prosper in the real world. And it's and I remember
Speaker 3: them even saying like, it's a fine balance. And you
Speaker 3: obviously they're really good. They're good at what they do,
Speaker 3: and so that's you know, they've had really successful seasons
Speaker 3: for that reason. But I always thought that was super interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you know, ironically, do you know what the term
Speaker 1: for that that they used. It's called landing the plane.
Speaker 5: You want to push the turbulent flight, you want.
Speaker 1: To push the envelope. And this, I'm being dead serious,
Speaker 1: this is what we would call it landing the plane.
Speaker 1: You want to push the envelope as far as you
Speaker 1: possibly can, but still land the plane. Wow, that's you
Speaker 1: don't want everybody to sleep in the back. You want
Speaker 1: you want the turbulence, you want a rocky road, but
Speaker 1: you also want to land at Lagordia.
Speaker 3: And then the applause at the end for the landing,
Speaker 3: What the hell you guys clapping and.
Speaker 1: We all know, of course, you know, the plane's on autopilot.
Speaker 1: You're not really flying you were.
Speaker 5: I just can't flying that whole damn season.
Speaker 2: Peter, your season was so good. I'm feeling nostalid. God,
Speaker 2: I missed that. It was such a good season, and
Speaker 2: I mean that just from an like entertaining and I
Speaker 2: didn't know that you felt like it destroyed you though
Speaker 2: I'm soaking that in. Did that make you hesitant to
Speaker 2: go and do Traders and do any other shows?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't actually really think I've ever really told anyone that.
Speaker 3: I mean close friends and everything, but like I'm not
Speaker 3: like on a podcast or anything. And I guess destroyed
Speaker 3: is like that's a strong word. Just again, very very
Speaker 3: low moments is something I would is how I would
Speaker 3: describe what I went through. But I think no. With Traders,
Speaker 3: it had just been so many years removed. It also
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with love, which was great, and
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, maybe maybe I just
Speaker 3: wasn't cut out for the whole love dating aspect. But
Speaker 3: you know, competition wise, that's always right up my alley,
Speaker 3: and I've always really been into that and always thrived
Speaker 3: in that environment too, just from you know, sports and
Speaker 3: high school and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But no, none of that.
Speaker 3: None of those feelings really made me hesitant towards the traders.
Speaker 3: It was it was funny that I remember, like the
Speaker 3: first couple of days showing up and you know, for me,
Speaker 3: like right, I had been removed for a couple of years,
Speaker 3: so you're out of like this the comfort zone of
Speaker 3: you seeing all these cameras around and the mics and everything,
Speaker 3: and just like the sets and all.
Speaker 1: That doing im interviews and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I almost you don't forget it, but kind of
Speaker 3: got rusty with it. And I remember like the first
Speaker 3: couple like the first day, I was like, I know
Speaker 3: I've done this, I know I can do.
Speaker 5: This, but I don't really feel comfortable yet.
Speaker 3: Like I got to get my bearings back and it
Speaker 3: quickly came back, and again the show was just it
Speaker 3: was It was stressful in other ways, but it was just.
Speaker 5: So damn fun Like I had the time of my life.
Speaker 3: So there was never a moment from like why like
Speaker 3: there was no low moments even when I got like banished.
Speaker 5: It was it was just I appreciated the.
Speaker 3: Competition of the game so damn much that I didn't
Speaker 3: even worry about it like that.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious did you to piggyback off LZ? Was
Speaker 1: that low point exacerbated? Like did you feel like you
Speaker 1: were abandoned by the show and kind of left on
Speaker 1: your own? Or was it because of the response from
Speaker 1: the viewers? What do you feel gut you so much?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 3: I think so for me, I a lot of people
Speaker 3: always are surprised by this, but like me at my
Speaker 3: core truly and I'll always be this way, Like I
Speaker 3: am definitely a more reserved person. I've always described myself
Speaker 3: as like a shyer person, and of course that makes
Speaker 3: no sense to people when they say when they say, oh,
Speaker 3: you've been on you know, a couple of these shows,
Speaker 3: But I've also I've done that for a reason. I've
Speaker 3: always been a believer in pushing yourself to do things
Speaker 3: to make yourself uncomfortable again and going back to the
Speaker 3: whole growth aspect, I think that's what helps you get
Speaker 3: to those points in the most efficient way. And so
Speaker 3: as much as I was uncomfortable a lot of the cases,
Speaker 3: I was okay with that. But again going back to
Speaker 3: like how I've just I've always been more of a
Speaker 3: private person, a shyer guy, more reserved, and then you
Speaker 3: get you know, your life changes overnight. And when it's
Speaker 3: all positive reception, it's great. It's easy to take that in.
Speaker 3: But then when it kind of turns on you, that's
Speaker 3: when that's when it tests you and it gets really difficult.
Speaker 3: And so for me, you know, it was just it
Speaker 3: was it was a mix of everything. It was. The
Speaker 3: biggest one was I felt like almost I I just
Speaker 3: had let myself down, you know, like I had put
Speaker 3: so much into I wanted it so bad, and you know,
Speaker 3: the end result wasn't what I wanted. And then you
Speaker 3: mix in everyone in their mother's opinion about you as well,
Speaker 3: and if it's negative stuff, that just it. No one's
Speaker 3: meant for that, no or no one's like you can't
Speaker 3: prepare yourself for that until you kind of go through it.
Speaker 3: And so not being able to escape that for a
Speaker 3: while and almost have like a I don't know, like
Speaker 3: almost have a way to like prove them wrong or anything.
Speaker 3: Like you can't really kind of fight back towards it.
Speaker 3: You just kind of have to take it. And so
Speaker 3: it was just a period of like feeling like powerless.
Speaker 3: There was you didn't have much control over the situation.
Speaker 3: And if there was a narrative that was trying to
Speaker 3: be spun. You just kind of had to like go
Speaker 3: with it and accept it, even though you knew the
Speaker 3: truth and the people close to you, and that's all
Speaker 3: it really matters, truly at the end.
Speaker 5: Of the day.
Speaker 3: But it was just that that period of trying to
Speaker 3: adapt to that and become okay with it, that's what
Speaker 3: was just difficult.
Speaker 5: It was new.
Speaker 3: But again, I really do when I want to say
Speaker 3: that I appreciate that period, I really do, because, like
Speaker 3: I said, I'll never forget that, and I can always
Speaker 3: go back to that and I can see how far
Speaker 3: I've come. And you know, if I ever you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully I don't face anything like that again in my life.
Speaker 3: But if I do, I know that I have the
Speaker 3: strength and like the kind of like the battle scars
Speaker 3: to get through.
Speaker 1: It sounds like we all went through something very similar.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that was honestly, I think so. I
Speaker 4: think that was the.
Speaker 2: Great button on your whole career, babe, is that you
Speaker 2: kind of went through what the show does to everyone.
Speaker 4: It's deeply ironic.
Speaker 1: Great irony.
Speaker 5: Isn't that that ironic? Right? That's wild? Actually if you
Speaker 5: think about that.
Speaker 2: Well, That's something I've never said out loud before, but
Speaker 2: which I've been thinking for a couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how many years, Chris did you do it?
Speaker 1: Nineteen years? Nineteen years?
Speaker 2: That's why he was going to see you two alone, Peter.
Speaker 2: He's so burnt out.
Speaker 1: But you knew, you know, I I knew that dog
Speaker 1: would come back to bite me at some day. But
Speaker 1: then you kind of forget, like I knew early on.
Speaker 1: So when they sued Bob Guiney and he was in
Speaker 1: a band, he was The Bachelor, and then they wanted
Speaker 1: to do a talk show with them, they were shooting
Speaker 1: a pilot for a talk show and he was doing
Speaker 1: his band. He was in his band, Fat Amy, and
Speaker 1: they released an album. So he had a record deal
Speaker 1: prior to The Bachelor, So who's he was trying to
Speaker 1: honor this record deal. And then of course when he
Speaker 1: did The Bachelor, he became so famous and it was huge. Well,
Speaker 1: he was still trying to do both, and Warner and
Speaker 1: ABC whoever was got really pissed off and got upset,
Speaker 1: and you know, long story short, they sued Bob Guiney
Speaker 1: for like a ton of money, and I just remember thinking,
Speaker 1: he's our hero. He's our star. If they're willing to
Speaker 1: go after him, why wouldn't they go after me?
Speaker 5: That like planted the seat in your head early days.
Speaker 1: This is early days. Bob was like, what number three
Speaker 1: on the list? Wherever I go? And I just always
Speaker 1: stuck in the back of my mind, I'm like, if
Speaker 1: they're willing to go after him, they'll go after me.
Speaker 1: It's just a business. It's a business. You're a rounding
Speaker 1: error to them. It doesn't matter. And so I always try.
Speaker 1: You know, it's impossible not to emotionally get involved in
Speaker 1: this stuff. You did it one season, I did it
Speaker 1: for nineteen years, So yes, you have to get emotionally involved.
Speaker 1: It's part of you. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: always tried to remember, this can come back, and then
Speaker 1: it did, the great irony.
Speaker 3: Do you think you were ready that like in your mind?
Speaker 3: Don't know if you ever talked on this before, but
Speaker 3: were you getting ready to the point to like leave
Speaker 3: anyways or were you still just right in the wave
Speaker 3: or where were you out of that?
Speaker 1: Both? No? I was Lauren and I talked because we
Speaker 1: were already dating. We were talking about I was my
Speaker 1: contract was up, we were starting a new negotiation for
Speaker 1: a new deal. I think they had offered me a
Speaker 1: five year deal, and so we were in the middle
Speaker 1: of negotiations when all this happened, and I'm like, do
Speaker 1: I step away, like it's been nineteen years, Maybe I
Speaker 1: just get to twenty and I call this, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe just sign a one year deal and just be done.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's kind of run its course. My
Speaker 1: heart's not in it like it used to be. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, Laura, as Laura knows, I was emotionally struggling
Speaker 1: with what to do. But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be ungrateful. It's a great job. It's
Speaker 1: changed my life and I'm very grateful for it. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you don't want to be that
Speaker 1: jerk that just walks away from something fantastic, And you know,
Speaker 1: do I just need a little time? Do I need
Speaker 1: a little break? So I was fighting with all that
Speaker 1: when it all went.
Speaker 2: Well, we've never said any of this out loud, Peter,
Speaker 2: it's all happening today. He's never said that's literally just
Speaker 2: saying that for the first time that, yes, he was,
Speaker 2: it's all happening. We're flying the plane Peter up land
Speaker 2: the plane.
Speaker 5: Baby, Okay, I'm gonna grease it on. Don't worry guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at the time, I will say this,
Speaker 2: I always felt, because.
Speaker 4: Of where things are at with his contract, that they
Speaker 4: were really using.
Speaker 2: Capitalizing off of what happened actually for a lark in
Speaker 2: the beginning very much they were trying to like get
Speaker 2: him for cheaper, like I think they were when everything happened,
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, good, something's gone a little wrong
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 4: Let's lean into it.
Speaker 2: Let's make it worse because then when we re sign him,
Speaker 2: we can get a big discount. And so I think
Speaker 2: that's what was happening in the beginning, and then things
Speaker 2: for various reasons and choices, really spiraled out of control.
Speaker 2: But that was why in the beginning no one was
Speaker 2: like coming to his defense because they were trying to
Speaker 2: leverage him in contract negotiations. So that's what I always thought. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but crazy times, and here we are now. By the way, Peter,
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I think a huge
Speaker 2: part of the reason you're in such a healthy place
Speaker 2: now you did the smart thing. You kept your normal job,
Speaker 2: you went back to it, and that is so smart
Speaker 2: to do. I was thinking, like, why does it feel
Speaker 2: like it's been so long since I've seen him? Oh,
Speaker 2: because he's not at like every single Bachelor event, doing
Speaker 2: every podcast, like living like you're like living a normal
Speaker 2: life still, which is smart to be, Like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to stay grounded even though you're.
Speaker 4: Up in the air well.
Speaker 1: I think that was part of your thing, was maybe
Speaker 1: the silver lining of your show going into the pandemic,
Speaker 1: was you really didn't have a choice. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do or not. There are no appearances,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to keep flying. And I know the
Speaker 1: dream was to be, you know, flying for United, which
Speaker 1: you made that dream come true and you got to
Speaker 1: fly with your dad, which was such a cool thing.
Speaker 1: You and I talked to Oh my god, you and
Speaker 1: I talked a lot about that moment and the fact
Speaker 1: that you and your dad got to realize that and
Speaker 1: before he retired, you guys were in the cockpit together.
Speaker 1: It was just so cool. But what I'm interested how
Speaker 1: many times when someone's on a United flight they find
Speaker 1: out Pete is our pilot, and like, what that does?
Speaker 4: How many phone numbers have you gotten on your planes?
Speaker 5: Peter?
Speaker 4: That's what I want to.
Speaker 5: Know a lot.
Speaker 1: Is it true that he was on cocktail Napkins was
Speaker 1: at nine to eleven recent they started locking cockpit doors?
Speaker 1: Was because you know of Peter? Yeah, because of Peter.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to ask you about a rumor. Are
Speaker 2: you on dating apps?
Speaker 4: What are you doing? I heard that you were on
Speaker 4: dating apps?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, are you single?
Speaker 5: Yes? I am single. I am on Hinge and I've
Speaker 5: never gotten.
Speaker 3: Accepted to riots kind of like a funny running joke
Speaker 3: with all my friends, but I've never got the invite
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, funny. Oh so, and is this a promotional deal
Speaker 1: or are you like I'm on Hinge?
Speaker 5: No, like I'm legit. Listen. I've never been that kind
Speaker 5: of person.
Speaker 3: I've heard everything like, but I've never been that person that,
Speaker 3: oh you know, that's beneath like nothing, nothing's beneath anyone in.
Speaker 5: My opinion, right, I agree.
Speaker 3: I know I went on like a show, right, a
Speaker 3: very successful dating show. But I also have no issue
Speaker 3: going on Hinge. And if it ultimately is, if that's
Speaker 3: the like my brother he met he re met his
Speaker 3: now wife, my sister in law, Christine, through Hinge. They
Speaker 3: actually went to high school for two years but never
Speaker 3: talked anyways. Years later reconnected on Hinge. So that's a
Speaker 3: success story. I've always thought, if I'm meet my wife,
Speaker 3: the woman of my dreams through Hinge, so be it.
Speaker 1: If you meet the woman in your dreams in any
Speaker 1: way for me? Who cares?
Speaker 3: How?
Speaker 1: Who cares that you got there?
Speaker 2: By the way, I've heard nothing good about Riyah, but
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people who have met on Hinge.
Speaker 2: I give props to Hinge. I think it's the most
Speaker 2: successful one. I feel like just from stories I hear,
Speaker 2: so like, how's it going, how's it going on Hinge?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going good.
Speaker 1: That's a ringing endorsement.
Speaker 5: I'm definitely no, I'm definitely.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely you know, dating, I'm definitely putting myself out
Speaker 3: there a lot more kind of you know. It's funny, Chris,
Speaker 3: I think about this day a lot. I remember when
Speaker 3: remember we were driving around west Lake and we were
Speaker 3: going all like the spots like my first job at Costco, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had us miked up and you and I
Speaker 1: were alone in the car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yeah, and we were just like driving a
Speaker 3: cool spots like from growing up. But then you like
Speaker 3: aspect really what you're looking for. I remember specifically we
Speaker 3: were on we were about to merge, left going on
Speaker 3: Canaan and I think to go out to the mansion,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, I just want, you know,
Speaker 3: like I'm looking for like my best friend and all that,
Speaker 3: and which I obviously am. But I think I've realized
Speaker 3: I've always said like I want, you know, I want
Speaker 3: that sweetheart.
Speaker 5: I feel like I have a big heart.
Speaker 3: And you know, to give to someone as well, and
Speaker 3: I want that reciprocated. But on top of that, I
Speaker 3: also kind of realized too, like I do I want
Speaker 3: a little bit of fire in that as well, and
Speaker 3: like I've never actually really been honest with that, I
Speaker 3: guess to myself, but I do need a little bit
Speaker 3: a little bit of that obviously not too much to
Speaker 3: the point, you know where it gets a little out
Speaker 3: of hand, but because ultimately I really realized, like I
Speaker 3: am craving so much just to find a relationship that
Speaker 3: really just brings me peace and I can really just
Speaker 3: like dive into that like head first and really let
Speaker 3: something beautiful grow. But I just always remembered, for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: you asked me exactly what I'm looking for, and throughout
Speaker 3: the years, I'm like, really, what am I looking for him?
Speaker 5: Like this or like that?
Speaker 3: And it just goes back to that. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think I have a good idea of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: I'm dating, Like I said, nothing serious right now, but
Speaker 3: you know hopeful.
Speaker 1: Well I can tell you as I'm sitting next to
Speaker 1: this one. Being challenged is important. Someone yeishes you, someone
Speaker 1: who challenges you makes you better and doesn't just say yes,
Speaker 1: you're great, Yes you're right. Nobody needs a yes man.
Speaker 4: Peter, you too are very similar.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever felt this way with Chris,
Speaker 2: but I'm realizing it now, like you saying the people
Speaker 2: pleasing thing that is Chris, And we've talked a lot
Speaker 2: about how like I think a quality can often be
Speaker 2: a blessing and a curse, Like something that's so.
Speaker 4: Great about you, but if you take it too far,
Speaker 4: it hurts you.
Speaker 2: Right Like it's awesome that you care about other people,
Speaker 2: but then when you take it too far, it hurts you.
Speaker 2: And I don't think you've it sounds like you both
Speaker 2: kind of need a similar person, like someone who's going
Speaker 2: to be your best friend but challenge you to not
Speaker 2: do those things.
Speaker 1: But you I don't think it takes a really great
Speaker 1: psychiatrist to realize we both have very strong moms.
Speaker 4: Oh yep, that's it.
Speaker 5: That's that's true as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why that fire, you.
Speaker 5: Know what exactly.
Speaker 3: And I think I've have always maybe shied away from that,
Speaker 3: but recently I'm like, no, I want that. Like you said, challenge,
Speaker 3: I need someone that just like I want someone that's
Speaker 3: smarter than me. I want someone that really is going
Speaker 3: to like push me that way. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just I never really looked at like that, But
Speaker 3: ultimately I want peace.
Speaker 5: That's that's really the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: For God six man. Just you want some peace.
Speaker 2: But Hannah Brown was fiery, and you liked Hannah, so
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, you've done that a little before.
Speaker 3: That's why I was about to leave the show for
Speaker 3: her one hundred percent. And obviously that never happened. But yeah, Hannah,
Speaker 3: Hannah exactly, that's she had that. She definitely had that.
Speaker 1: Okay, two things then in hindsight, And I don't know
Speaker 1: how honest we can be because obviously you don't know,
Speaker 1: but do you wish a you had just left the
Speaker 1: show for Hannah b and and second, do you resent
Speaker 1: the fact that because I've heard you in interviews say
Speaker 1: that you were kept away from Kelly, do you wish
Speaker 1: you'd had a better true shot at Kelly. While we
Speaker 1: were taping your season.
Speaker 3: I remember vividly telling her like, I don't care about
Speaker 3: all this. If you really want to like give this
Speaker 3: a shot with me. This is a wild way to start,
Speaker 3: but let's do it. And you know, she had her
Speaker 3: contract at the time with the Answer with the Stars,
Speaker 3: and it just it wasn't going to happen. But those
Speaker 3: weren't just like soft like bogus words. I was what
Speaker 3: I meant what I said.
Speaker 4: But do you wish you to happen?
Speaker 5: I listen. I truly believe everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 3: And I always go back to that saying that I
Speaker 3: said on this show many times, you know, the one
Speaker 3: that my mom has always told me of the hall,
Speaker 3: like whatever is meant for you is coming for you,
Speaker 3: is gonna be years and nothing can be done to
Speaker 3: change that.
Speaker 5: So that's my life philosophy.
Speaker 3: And I'll never be hung up too much on a
Speaker 3: door that's closed, because I always have that positive outlook
Speaker 3: that it's because something else is coming down the line,
Speaker 3: and it's preparing me for that, so to answer no.
Speaker 3: But in that moment, I met what I said and
Speaker 3: with Kelly. If I wouldn't have gotten so close to
Speaker 3: Kelly and dated her for so long after, I probably
Speaker 3: would have had those thoughts.
Speaker 5: But I don't don't feel like they're like.
Speaker 3: We got to know each other extremely We dated for
Speaker 3: on and off for about three years, so there was
Speaker 3: nothing that I was like missing that the show could
Speaker 3: have offered. It would have been really fun because her
Speaker 3: and I got along so well, and it would have
Speaker 3: been cool to see that dynamic play out on the
Speaker 3: show more.
Speaker 5: But no, I don't regret that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have a must ask.
Speaker 2: We've brought up your mom now, and god, she's one
Speaker 2: of the best people I've ever seen on television. How
Speaker 2: much is mom now involved in dating? Is she helping
Speaker 2: you on Hinge? What is Barb doing? How involved is she?
Speaker 5: No, my mom is not helping me on Hinge? No
Speaker 5: she's not. Think No, it's been No, it's great.
Speaker 3: My parents are extremely supportive and it's really cool because
Speaker 3: they you know, I'm thirty two, not that I'm crazy
Speaker 3: old here, but you know, a lot of my friends.
Speaker 3: The majority of my friends from high school, all of
Speaker 3: them are all settled down, married, multiple kids now at
Speaker 3: this point, so I'm on second wives, you know whatnot.
Speaker 5: But it's cool.
Speaker 3: My parents haven't really ever put that pressure, like since
Speaker 3: I've come to New York, Like they're letting me do
Speaker 3: my thing. They're letting me go figure this out for myself.
Speaker 3: Like obviously we'll talk and I'm very open with my family.
Speaker 3: I'm very close and I love you know, sharing good
Speaker 3: news and if I met someone that was really special,
Speaker 3: like I'll you know, the first people I.
Speaker 5: Share that with.
Speaker 3: But I really appreciate that they haven't like put any
Speaker 3: pressure on me, you know, at thirty two and having
Speaker 3: you know, maybe all these ups and downs with the relationships,
Speaker 3: like even though it hasn't worked yet, Like I know,
Speaker 3: they're my biggest fans and they're in my corner, and
Speaker 3: you know, they can't wait to welcome in whoever it
Speaker 3: is to our family and kind of complete it.
Speaker 5: So very very happy I can say that I.
Speaker 2: Know there were the rumors about Ecken Soue, which in
Speaker 2: part was because this is part of why I bring
Speaker 2: up Barb, because Barb was hanging with Ecken soue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was just Ecken is amazing.
Speaker 3: Ecken and I there was a lot of rumors of
Speaker 3: us dating and all that, but she had that was
Speaker 3: about she had come out to uh we were doing
Speaker 3: the reunion episode for the Traders out in LA and
Speaker 3: so she she's from London, so she has went out
Speaker 3: a couple of days prior and we were a good friends.
Speaker 3: So they connected and they went out with Christie, my
Speaker 3: sister in law. But no, nothing's going.
Speaker 1: On up a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Not a big deal since you're back in that.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, for the record, since you're back in
Speaker 2: the reality TV world. Now, anybody else if you like,
Speaker 2: if they came your way, are there any like crushes
Speaker 2: you have of people out there who, oh maybe I
Speaker 2: would date this person.
Speaker 5: Like specifically it's on TV right now as well, like
Speaker 5: reality TV.
Speaker 4: Sure, anybody floating out there.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna answer no on that, because
Speaker 3: there there is something right now that's kind of just
Speaker 3: started that I'm really excited about.
Speaker 1: So excellent, excellent. Oh I love this from Hinge.
Speaker 5: No no comment on that, but yeah.
Speaker 4: It's Phaedra, isn't it it's.
Speaker 3: You got good, you are good. It's it's that it's
Speaker 3: that green cloak in that turret. Man, it really got me.
Speaker 3: But uh no, there's something I'm really excited about.
Speaker 4: And uh so it is someone from another reality show.
Speaker 5: No, not from not from TV, not from hinge, not
Speaker 5: not from any.
Speaker 4: Of that excellent, not someone famous.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful. So these are early days though, yeah, very
Speaker 1: very very early. Earlier is because he already said he's single,
Speaker 1: so he's still but he's he's what he is right now.
Speaker 1: He's single but hopeful. You know how they say it's complicated.
Speaker 1: It's not complicated. It's single and.
Speaker 4: Hopeful, single and focus.
Speaker 5: Great way to find it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. By the way, this is the best
Speaker 1: time of part of a relationship. It's that early days
Speaker 1: when you're so excited and you can't wait to find
Speaker 1: out more and you can't wait for that next chat,
Speaker 1: the next talk.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then let's get a cute moment on the
Speaker 2: record for when you two end up together.
Speaker 4: What do you like about this person?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are extremely similar. We come from very similar backgrounds.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I haven't even met her yet, but
Speaker 3: going to be meeting soon, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: we have a lot of mutual friends that that think
Speaker 3: we'd be a pretty good match. And we've just been
Speaker 3: you know, just texting and and and on the phone.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: That's that's really it's it's it's just started. But I
Speaker 3: know it's that's a little too soon to like be excited.
Speaker 3: But that's just how I am.
Speaker 1: And no, it's not.
Speaker 5: That's something I'm excited about.
Speaker 1: If you're not excited about, why are you doing it?
Speaker 5: That's actual, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's the point.
Speaker 2: By the way, again, Peter Chris is the same way.
Speaker 2: Like in the beginning, he was like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's like really all in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, quickly I'm.
Speaker 1: Excited like when I started. When we started dating, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, that's I quickly realized, where did you
Speaker 1: guys meet on the show? On the show, she knew
Speaker 1: some of the people like Ben and maybe even you
Speaker 1: before she knew me. It's like, so we met, well,
Speaker 1: I really she interviewed me on the show.
Speaker 4: For years and then can get down That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then and then we didn't really talk talk
Speaker 1: until later and then but then when we started dating,
Speaker 1: I really got excited. And again, that's that's how I
Speaker 1: knew it's I think that's.
Speaker 2: A mark of like and you tell me, Peter, maybe
Speaker 2: if it's because you feel like you've grown up a
Speaker 2: little bit, but like when you get into your I
Speaker 2: think I wish I could tell my twenty something self this.
Speaker 2: When you get into your thirties, when you've had some
Speaker 2: like dating experience, you kind of know quicker because you
Speaker 2: know what you're looking for more, you've made some mistakes,
Speaker 2: you figured it out, Like, do you feel like you're
Speaker 2: at that place where you could know pretty quickly?
Speaker 3: And that's one thing to like I in the most polite,
Speaker 3: respectful way, Like if it's not serving either of us,
Speaker 3: I'm quick to kind of like I'm not I'm not
Speaker 3: looking to waste time.
Speaker 5: I know what i want. I'm excited for that, and
Speaker 5: you know, I just I don't want to waste.
Speaker 2: Anything to forward past the bullsh Well, Peter, I'm super
Speaker 2: happy for you. The only reason I'm a little bummed
Speaker 2: is I'll be honest. Before this podcast, we were kind
Speaker 2: of like, as we move into the reality dating show
Speaker 2: space again, is Peter Weber on the on the roster?
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: Hopefully I am not available for that.
Speaker 4: Really, would you ever do would you not ever do
Speaker 4: it again?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You would No, not if I find something before that.
Speaker 4: If you're single.
Speaker 1: No, if you're single. That's what we're going to end on. Hey,
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, man number one, it was good to
Speaker 1: catch up with you. Number two. I really am so
Speaker 1: genuinely happy to see where you are in your life.
Speaker 1: You just it looks like your shoulders have dropped and
Speaker 1: you got this glow about you and you're living your
Speaker 1: life on your terms, and I I truly love that
Speaker 1: for you. We're we're very happy for you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that means a lot. I appreciate that. It's good
Speaker 3: to see you guys too.
Speaker 4: It's so good to see the person here. I know again.
Speaker 2: You were the you you Raven and Adam they had
Speaker 2: they were the wonderful tea booth sweating, but we were like,
Speaker 2: oh I wish those three have been able to come.
Speaker 2: That was a bummer. We wanted to see you. So
Speaker 2: fly through Austin sometime soon and we'll take you out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I know it's when I whenever I upgrade, there will
Speaker 3: be a good chance because I'll be back on a
Speaker 3: seven thirty seven or airbus doing domestic flying right now.
Speaker 3: All this stuff's international, but I'm actually seeing seeing Tyler
Speaker 3: and he's got his uh event tonight for a show
Speaker 3: and Jason will be there.
Speaker 5: So oh Cole, guys.
Speaker 1: Good Bud. Tell everybody we said hello, and give him
Speaker 1: our love and we will see you soon.
Speaker 4: It's so good to see you. Should we feel safe
Speaker 4: on the boeings? What do you think?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, all right, we all get figured out,
Speaker 5: no work.
Speaker 1: We will talk to you soon, my friends, thanks for taking.
Speaker 4: The time today. So good to see you.
Speaker 5: Fine of course. Likewise, guys see it.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad we got to catch
Speaker 2: up with Pete. It's always interesting to me people come
Speaker 2: on and I've noticed they like need a little like
Speaker 2: when Peter said, Chris have always wanted to ask you this,
Speaker 2: and also I always remember this moment.
Speaker 4: It really makes me. Honestly, we just think you're so.
Speaker 2: Good at your job because you impact people so much,
Speaker 2: and they always like have a couple burning or unanswered
Speaker 2: things for you.
Speaker 4: It's like they need a little therapy with you. I
Speaker 4: think it's.
Speaker 1: Things I don't realize things that you know, there's moments
Speaker 1: that because there's so many for me that I vibe
Speaker 1: aria and you never know what impacts that person or
Speaker 1: what really stood out to them. And it's interesting to
Speaker 1: me the things like I would have probably forgotten about
Speaker 1: the time we drove around west Lake together, but obviously
Speaker 1: we had that moment and I vividly remember it now.
Speaker 1: But it's very interesting, and I love when they do
Speaker 1: have a burning question because it means it meant something
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, thank you so much, and we'll be
Speaker 2: back soon because say.
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