Speaker 1: Center.
Speaker 2: Nice to be with you in person. I love it
Speaker 2: when we get to do this once a week. You
Speaker 2: had a very interesting weekend, and I think this conversation
Speaker 2: what people are about to see is very foreshadowing of
Speaker 2: the presidential election and the conversation that many Americans are
Speaker 2: going to be having. There's this thing called Tripfest down
Speaker 2: in Austin. It's a bunch of lefties in a room,
Speaker 2: a bunch of young people.
Speaker 1: I love what I.
Speaker 2: Get to watch you do these things because I know
Speaker 2: how much you enjoy it. But there was real dialogue
Speaker 2: and a real conversation that's important for the country. And
Speaker 2: one of the things about this was you got to
Speaker 2: talk about issues like school choice, which was incredible.
Speaker 3: Well that's right.
Speaker 4: So on Saturday, I was up in Austin and the
Speaker 4: event Tripfest they do every year. It's hosted by the
Speaker 4: Texas Tribune, which is a Texas political and news organization,
Speaker 4: and they have lots of different elected officials. They have
Speaker 4: predominantly Democrats. They get media, they get reporters from all
Speaker 4: over the country.
Speaker 3: National media comes down.
Speaker 4: They've had Hillary Clinton down there, they had they had
Speaker 4: Joe Manchin this year.
Speaker 3: They bring in it's sort of a nickname.
Speaker 4: The Weekend has his Libfest instead of trip Fest because
Speaker 4: it's accurate. It skews heavily left, and most of the
Speaker 4: attendees are either left wing reporters or their UT students
Speaker 4: who lean heavily left. And so this event was an
Speaker 4: hour long where I'm up on stage being interviewed by
Speaker 4: a reporter, Patrick Fetech, who's their political reporter, very smart,
Speaker 4: capable guy. I know Patrick well, and so he interviewed
Speaker 4: me for forty five minutes and then the audience said
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes of questions. And as I said, I've done
Speaker 4: it year after year after year, and the crowd are
Speaker 4: always these like woke lefties.
Speaker 1: From UT know everything who.
Speaker 4: Are are frankly horrified to see someone right a center.
Speaker 3: But it gives you a chance.
Speaker 4: And actually, while I was there, I took the point
Speaker 4: of thanking them, the folks who were booing me, to say.
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, thank you for coming. Yeah. You know, I
Speaker 3: talked about.
Speaker 4: At the outset how we don't talk to each other enough,
Speaker 4: how we do too much screaming and yelling, and the
Speaker 4: right talks to the right and the left talks to
Speaker 4: the left. And in fact I told them I said,
Speaker 4: all right, it'll kill you to do this, but subscribe
Speaker 4: to the podcast. You ought to actually listen to a
Speaker 4: view that that that you don't ordinarily hear. But it
Speaker 4: was it was a good chance to talk about a
Speaker 4: lot of issues. And here's the first where I brought
Speaker 4: up school choice. And they all had their minds made
Speaker 4: up to begin with. But here's the exchange. I think
Speaker 4: this year is the best opportunity of your in my
Speaker 4: lifetime for the state legislature to pass a real and
Speaker 4: serious school choice program to provide every child in Texas
Speaker 4: with with hope and access to an excellent education. Texas
Speaker 4: unfortunately lags behind on school choice. I'm a passionate defender
Speaker 4: of school choice. I've spent thirty years fighting for school choice.
Speaker 4: I think it is the civil rights issue of the
Speaker 4: twenty first century. And you know, people who have gotten
Speaker 4: a good education can laugh at that. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's interesting if you go into the inner cities and
Speaker 4: you ask African American parents, you ask Hispanic parents, do.
Speaker 3: They support school choice?
Speaker 4: Sixty seventy eighty percent of them support it. So I
Speaker 4: get in Austin when folks have money and they feel
Speaker 4: quite comfortable that they can oppost choice.
Speaker 3: Well, my view is, don't trap kids.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I really do believe school choice is
Speaker 2: an issue that is changing, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of it is because of COVID, but especially among African
Speaker 2: American Hispanic Americans, single mothers.
Speaker 1: Yes, they want their kids out of these.
Speaker 2: Failing schools, and they see the damage that these teachers
Speaker 2: are doing their kids' future, and they saw it at home.
Speaker 2: During the time of COVID, the lid came off. I
Speaker 2: don't think you put this GUNI back in this bottle.
Speaker 4: Look, I agree. I think the momentum behind choice is mass.
Speaker 4: If you're seeing growing numbers, you're seeing state after state
Speaker 4: after state across the country passing school choice programs. For me,
Speaker 4: it's been an issue that it's been a thirty year passion.
Speaker 4: I think it is the single most important domestic issue
Speaker 4: in this country. Education is the gateway. It's antecedent to
Speaker 4: every other social problem. So you think about it, whether
Speaker 4: you're dealing with poverty or crime, or health.
Speaker 3: Care issues or substance abuse.
Speaker 4: If kids get an education, many of those problems largely
Speaker 4: take care of themselves. On the other hand, if kids
Speaker 4: don't get a good education, if they drop out, if
Speaker 4: they don't learn to read and write. We know that
Speaker 4: those problems crime and poverty, and healthcare issues and substance
Speaker 4: abuse issues, they follow like night follows day, and so
Speaker 4: allowing kids to be trapped in failing schools is consigning
Speaker 4: them to be shut out of the American dream.
Speaker 3: And it's There are a lot of issues in public life.
Speaker 4: You take an issue like affirmative action, you take an
Speaker 4: issue like abortion, where people of good faith can disagree.
Speaker 4: You and I have strong views on both of those topics,
Speaker 4: but I understand the people who disagree with us. I
Speaker 4: understand how someone can look at that same issue and
Speaker 4: come to a different conclusion. And there are real arguments
Speaker 4: on both sides of that issue. School choice is the
Speaker 4: only issue I know of in public policy on which
Speaker 4: there is literally not a good argument on the other side.
Speaker 4: The only argument is one of venal self interests. The
Speaker 4: only argument is the teachers' unions bingo, who for whom
Speaker 4: Democrat politicians are bought and paid for, and they view
Speaker 4: it as maintaining power. Because look a point I make
Speaker 4: all the time, the rich and middle class.
Speaker 3: Have always had school choice.
Speaker 4: If you're at a wealthy jurisdiction. An example I use.
Speaker 4: Let's say you live in Bethesda, Maryland. All right, so Bethesda,
Speaker 4: Maryland is a very nice rink, which she shi neighborhood
Speaker 4: outside of Washington.
Speaker 3: If the Bethesda public.
Speaker 4: Schools had a fifty percent dropout rate, if among those
Speaker 4: kids who remained in school, only thirty percent graduated reading
Speaker 4: at grade level, if you had drug dealers roaming the
Speaker 4: hallways and you had little girls getting sexually assaulted in
Speaker 4: the bathrooms, the Bethesda public schools would be empty. Why
Speaker 4: because the parents there have money, and so they would
Speaker 4: do one of two things. They would either move, they'd
Speaker 4: move to another home in a different district that had
Speaker 4: a better public school. Or because they have the resources,
Speaker 4: they would pay tuition to send their kid to a
Speaker 4: private school. But they would not send their child to
Speaker 4: a school that was failing. What happens is low income parents,
Speaker 4: often in the inner city, are trapped. They're facing schools
Speaker 4: exactly what I just described, but if they're not rich,
Speaker 4: they don't have the option to change it. And you
Speaker 4: see democrats who are are blocking children. And it is
Speaker 4: predominantly African American and Hispanic children in inner cities who
Speaker 4: are trapped in these failing schools. And by the way,
Speaker 4: the Democrats like to like to consider themselves the champions
Speaker 4: for the minority community, and on the single most important
Speaker 4: civil rights issue in the country, which is giving those
Speaker 4: kids a chance at the American dream, the Democrats are
Speaker 4: adamantly opposed. And you listen to all of those left
Speaker 4: wingers at ut laughing, Oh, how funny little children that
Speaker 4: can't get an education, ha ha. And there's an arrogance
Speaker 4: on the left that I think is really disturbing.
Speaker 1: What is your.
Speaker 2: Advice for those that are running in this presidential election
Speaker 2: on this issue, because when I when I worked in
Speaker 2: the Bush campaign of four, there was this was a
Speaker 2: third rail issue.
Speaker 1: It was a do not touch issue. It was leave
Speaker 1: it alone. It was that's fascinating it. It was a
Speaker 1: grand debate.
Speaker 2: It was two debates that we had on that campaign,
Speaker 2: so secure reform, don't talk about it till after we win.
Speaker 2: And then the second one was school choice in school vouchers.
Speaker 2: It was like, we don't go there, that's third rail.
Speaker 2: And I remember fighting, going, this is something we should
Speaker 2: take to the people because people that are stuck in
Speaker 2: failing schools. I was from Memphis, had a different perspective.
Speaker 2: Majority of schools there. Public schools are failing schools year
Speaker 2: after year. They're failing schools like this. You guys don't understand.
Speaker 2: If you take this idea to the community that has
Speaker 2: it and needs it, they will side with you.
Speaker 1: You just have to explain it.
Speaker 2: Are we winning now where this is no longer that
Speaker 2: fear of that third rail. Don't touch it, don't mention it.
Speaker 2: Democrats will beat you over the head with it.
Speaker 4: So I got to say, I'm you and I have
Speaker 4: never talked about this topic before, so I didn't know
Speaker 4: that story. You were on the two thousand and four
Speaker 4: Bush Cheney reelect. I was on the two thousand campaign,
Speaker 4: the first Bush Cheney campaign, and my job was domestic
Speaker 4: policy advisor.
Speaker 3: I was twenty eight twenty nine years old. I was
Speaker 3: a young lawyer, and.
Speaker 4: I essentially covered any issue that touched on law, and
Speaker 4: so education and school choice was not in my portfolio,
Speaker 4: but I cared about it passionately, and so on the
Speaker 4: two thousand campaign, I actually wrote a memo. I wrote
Speaker 4: a memo to Karl Robe and Josh Bolden, all the
Speaker 4: senior people on the campaign, arguing and arguing that George W.
Speaker 4: Bush should have come out and promised scholarships for one
Speaker 4: million kids across the country to go to any school
Speaker 4: of their choice.
Speaker 3: Lean in and own school choice. And I put the
Speaker 3: polling data.
Speaker 4: I put the polling data that showed that African Americans
Speaker 4: and Hispanics, even back then, that was twenty three years ago,
Speaker 4: were consistently sixty seventy eighty percent in support a school choice.
Speaker 4: They also at the time ranked education is their number
Speaker 4: one issue, as did as did white parents, but Black
Speaker 4: parents and Hispanic parents, they all put education at their
Speaker 4: top issue in ninety nine and two thousand and I said, look,
Speaker 4: you've got the issue that is the top issue for
Speaker 4: minority parents. They have an overwhelming view, and the Democrat
Speaker 4: Party has bought and paid for by the teachers union,
Speaker 4: so they are adamantly fighting them. And then I ran
Speaker 4: a series of electoral hypotheticals. Sadly, I knew I was
Speaker 4: not going to persuade the campaign on the merits we
Speaker 4: should have but but but I didn't even bother to
Speaker 4: make that argument. I just tried to make a simple
Speaker 4: political argument. I ran the numbers, looking at the last
Speaker 4: three presidential races, and I ran a couple of hypotheticals.
Speaker 4: I said, what would have happened if the Republican nominee
Speaker 4: got five percent more, ten percent more, or fifteen percent
Speaker 4: more of the black and Hispanic vote. So I didn't
Speaker 4: assume suddenly you get fifty percent more. I ran three
Speaker 4: reasonable scenarios five percent more, ten and fifteen. The one
Speaker 4: that really stood out to my mind was nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: six Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton. If Bob Dole had
Speaker 4: gotten fifteen percent more of the black and Hispanic vote,
Speaker 4: he would have won an additional ninety six electoral votes.
Speaker 3: Wow, it was stunning.
Speaker 4: And I still remember that debate when Bob Dole was
Speaker 4: asked at education and his answer he said the word
Speaker 4: school choice. But they were so painful. I remember screaming
Speaker 4: at the television. I was so mad at this old
Speaker 4: man who knew nothing about choice and didn't care about it,
Speaker 4: and was reading a talking point that he didn't give
Speaker 4: a flip about.
Speaker 3: And it was horrible.
Speaker 4: Well, this memo that I submitted, it got filed in
Speaker 4: the circular file because the education advisors on that campaign
Speaker 4: very much were sympathetic to the blob, to the teachers'
Speaker 4: unions and the education bureaucracy, and so I was never
Speaker 4: able to get them to embrace choice. And actually the
Speaker 4: memo I wrote was co signed. I wrote it, but
Speaker 4: I asked the chief Economic Advisor who was on the
Speaker 4: policy staff.
Speaker 3: He signed it. I asked the Chief Education Advisor, who
Speaker 3: was in the policy staff. She signed it. Wow.
Speaker 4: I asked the chief advisor on kind of urban and
Speaker 4: inner city issues.
Speaker 3: He signed it. And frankly, I could've gotten every.
Speaker 4: Single policy staffer they're about a dozen of us, to
Speaker 4: sign it if I had asked them, I think, but
Speaker 4: I didn't want. I thought that was sort of piling
Speaker 4: on and to get. But the difference was we were
Speaker 4: all twenty something or thirty something, and for the twenty
Speaker 4: somethings and thirty somethings, we saw it as massively important.
Speaker 4: The senior people on the campaign were forty somethings and
Speaker 4: fifty somethings, and they were not interested in taking it
Speaker 4: on there.
Speaker 3: And they didn't Yeah, the same thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Four It was don't go there, great idea, great idea,
Speaker 2: young guys, and we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: We don't touch it. And I think it's inching now
Speaker 1: in this in this cycle.
Speaker 2: How This could change Republican Party for the better for
Speaker 2: decades to come.
Speaker 4: So Ben, something I told Heidi before I first ran
Speaker 4: for Senate in twenty twelve, I said, if when I
Speaker 4: am dead and buried, my tombstone says Ted played a
Speaker 4: meaningful part in bringing about school choice to every child
Speaker 4: in Texas and every child to America, I said, I
Speaker 4: will die a happy man. I mean, I mean that
Speaker 4: it is difficult to think of a more meaningful and
Speaker 4: powerful legacy than giving kids hope and opportunity and a
Speaker 4: real chance to achieve a better life for themselves and
Speaker 4: their kids in the future.
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Speaker 2: talked about something else that is really important at this event,
Speaker 2: and that was the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment is
Speaker 2: an issue that some don't like to touch. I love
Speaker 2: that you love to talk about it because it's something
Speaker 2: you care about and you're willing to have a grand debate.
Speaker 2: And it got a little feisty, especially with the audience.
Speaker 2: I want people to see what you had to.
Speaker 4: Say this is the basic divide. Every time there's a
Speaker 4: mass shooting, you see elected Democrats. Their approach is they
Speaker 4: want to take away the Second Amendment rights of law
Speaker 4: abiding citizens. Here's the pronounce See this is what I mean.
Speaker 4: We just yell at each other. This is not that
Speaker 4: there is zero evidence that doing so, There is zero
Speaker 4: evidence that doing so protects any lives. And in fact,
Speaker 4: if you look nationally, if you look at the jurisdictions
Speaker 4: with the strictest gun control laws, almost without exception, they
Speaker 4: have among the highest murder rates and among the highest
Speaker 4: crime rates. The city of Chicago has some of the
Speaker 4: toughest gun control laws in the country, and it consistently
Speaker 4: has horrible murder rates. Because what happens if you pass
Speaker 4: a law that disarms law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens,
Speaker 4: by definition, they follow the law. The criminals don't, and
Speaker 4: so what ends up happening is the criminals target the
Speaker 4: law abiding citizens. So your question, there are proposals that say, listen,
Speaker 4: we want to raise the age to buy a firearm
Speaker 4: to age twenty one. Well, you know what, I think
Speaker 4: that a nineteen or twenty year old single mom living
Speaker 4: in the inner city and huge Dallas, going to work
Speaker 4: in a dangerous neighborhood has a right to protect yourself
Speaker 4: as a right under the Second Amendment, to protect yourself
Speaker 4: from someone who would commit violence against her.
Speaker 3: And I'll give a stat again.
Speaker 4: Look, this is an audience who I think has their
Speaker 4: mind made up and doesn't want to hear actual data.
Speaker 3: But let me give you. Let me give you data.
Speaker 4: From a source that I suspect you would agree with
Speaker 4: the Obama White House. You're gonna agree that's not a
Speaker 4: right wing source. Here's what the Obama White House put out.
Speaker 4: They said, every year, firearms are used defensively to stop
Speaker 4: a crime, to stop a murder, to stop a rape,
Speaker 4: between five hundred thousand and a million times a year
Speaker 4: every year in the United States of America. That is
Speaker 4: a very simple reality. And so when you disarm people,
Speaker 4: when you take that nineteen year old single mom and
Speaker 4: you say you can no longer defend yourself, the data
Speaker 4: show you see crime rates go up, you see murder
Speaker 4: rates go up, you see sexual assault rates go up.
Speaker 4: And if you want to stop those crimes, and listen,
Speaker 4: I believe the people here want to stop those crimes.
Speaker 4: But if you want to stop them, you should look
Speaker 4: to the data of what actually works, and what works
Speaker 4: is putting the criminals in jail.
Speaker 3: And I'll point out and.
Speaker 4: We got to move on to the next question, but
Speaker 4: hold on a second. This is deeply connected. This is
Speaker 4: deeply connected with the policies Democrats have championed defunding the
Speaker 4: police and also George Soros prosecutors who release violent criminals.
Speaker 4: Because the same people who are all worked up about
Speaker 4: gun control are also by and large supporting releasing criminals
Speaker 4: from jail. And we see that pattern over and over
Speaker 4: and over again and.
Speaker 3: When it happens. So I've sat down with.
Speaker 4: Texas police chiefs who said to me, we know who
Speaker 4: the trigger pullers are, we know who the criminals are.
Speaker 4: We want to arrest them, and we can't because they
Speaker 4: keep getting let go and they keep committee more murders.
Speaker 4: If you want to stop crime, go after the criminals,
Speaker 4: not law abiding citizens.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Another big issue. We got to
Speaker 1: move on. You're making too much sense over your sinner.
Speaker 1: We gotta with some mis move But we heard your answer.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that the audience couldn't even clap in
Speaker 2: a basic idea that a single mother who's nineteen the
Speaker 2: inner city should be able to defend yourself against someone
Speaker 2: bring in your home, trying to kill a raper, whatever
Speaker 2: it may be, not a clap in the room.
Speaker 3: That don't look Rich Liberals like school choice. If you're
Speaker 3: a rich liberal, you live in a neighborhood where they haven't.
Speaker 4: Abolished the police, You've got lots of police officers protecting
Speaker 4: your home. You know, Actually, if you're wealthy enough, the
Speaker 4: second Amendment is not necessarily life or death because you're
Speaker 4: able to outsource protection. You're able to live in an
Speaker 4: environment where you're not living next door to a crack
Speaker 4: house at all likelihood. If you're low income, if you're
Speaker 4: in the inner city, if you're a single, you're facing
Speaker 4: the very real prospect of if you're taking the subway
Speaker 4: at home at night, or the bus at home at night,
Speaker 4: at being robbed at gunpoint, at being assaulted, and you
Speaker 4: often don't have a choice.
Speaker 3: You don't have another option.
Speaker 4: You can't move to a safer place where the criminals
Speaker 4: are not next to you. And liberals talk about compassion enormously,
Speaker 4: but when you actually point out that the people who
Speaker 4: are hurt by their policies are the most vulnerable, they
Speaker 4: get very angry. They do not like you're not allowed
Speaker 4: to defend an African American single mom in the inner
Speaker 4: city because they're in charge of her, and damn it,
Speaker 4: if they disarmor and she gets killed, it was good
Speaker 4: for it made them feel good to disarm her, even
Speaker 4: though they also championed the policy that released the murderer
Speaker 4: who killed her. They take no responsibility. You heard the
Speaker 4: crowd howling when I brought up George Soros prosecutors. So
Speaker 4: they all support, but they all contribute.
Speaker 2: They laugh, they act like you're making it up. The
Speaker 2: data shows that you're not.
Speaker 4: The numbers are staggering. George Soros has spent literally millions
Speaker 4: of dollars electing DA's who let violent criminals out of
Speaker 4: jail over and over and over again. And they commit
Speaker 4: crimes over and over and over again. But you know what,
Speaker 4: they generally don't commit crimes against rich people living in rich,
Speaker 4: white liberal neighborhoods where they say, oh, I feel so
Speaker 4: good emptying the prisons. Isn't that nice? No, it's the
Speaker 4: inner cities. It's the people, and it's predominantly African Americans
Speaker 4: and Hispanics whose lives are lost. All the people with
Speaker 4: the yard signs out front of their house that say
Speaker 4: black lives matter apparently don't really give a damn about
Speaker 4: black lives because when you point out that more African
Speaker 4: Americans are being murdered because of the left wing policies
Speaker 4: they support, undermining police officers and letting violent criminals go,
Speaker 4: they react like that crowd. They boo you just they
Speaker 4: don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Just two weeks ago, there's an African American young way
Speaker 2: there was a soros DA elected because SROs backed him
Speaker 2: and gave them the money, and she was shot. It
Speaker 2: was four or five times by her ex She was
Speaker 2: in surgery in critical condition, and the man who they
Speaker 2: caught who shut her, had already gotten out of jail
Speaker 2: because of an activist soros DA who said bail reform,
Speaker 2: Oh I can't keep you here, you don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of money. He was out free in the city
Speaker 2: while that woman was still in surgery fighting for her life.
Speaker 2: And that's the source day and they laugh about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's amazing. There's also another issue that it's interesting to
Speaker 2: see how abortion plays in election cycles. There seems to
Speaker 2: be a real taste for revenge right now from Democrats
Speaker 2: because of the overturning of Roe v. Wade and going
Speaker 2: back to the States. There seems to be this is
Speaker 2: a presidential election year issue. They want it to be
Speaker 2: inspiring for women and feminists and angry people on the
Speaker 2: left to come out and get revenge because they say
Speaker 2: how their Republicans protect the life of the unborn. You
Speaker 2: talked about some of the ways are trying to get
Speaker 2: back Roe v. Wade and try to put back these
Speaker 2: laws into place, and that also had a very interesting
Speaker 2: reaction from the crowd.
Speaker 4: Take a look, so twice the Democrats have taken up
Speaker 4: a bill and it's a bill they said was to
Speaker 4: recodify ROW.
Speaker 1: I get it. It's you're saying it's not it's not
Speaker 1: plausible politically, right.
Speaker 3: Well, but let me go a little further.
Speaker 4: So the Democrats said the bill was was to codify Row.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting that actually is poll tested, that polls
Speaker 4: pretty well, but it is not in fact what the
Speaker 4: bill would do. The bill that was voted on in
Speaker 4: the Senate is a bill that would effectively strike down
Speaker 4: every single state restriction on abortion, so it would legalize
Speaker 4: abortion up until the moment of birth. It would legalize
Speaker 4: partial birth abortion.
Speaker 1: Democrats disputed.
Speaker 4: It would it would strike down parental notification and parental consent.
Speaker 4: You're saying, but I want to say something that's important
Speaker 4: to understand. If you look at national polling, that view
Speaker 4: is an extreme and radical view. Nine percent of Americans
Speaker 4: agree with that view, and every single Senate Democrat voted
Speaker 4: for that view. And so the position of Washington Democrats
Speaker 4: is wildly out of step with where the American people are.
Speaker 2: I mean, Sier, you listen to the status, You listen
Speaker 2: to what you said.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: The audience doesn't want to hear it, and they don't
Speaker 2: want to hear what's actually in the bill that you
Speaker 2: just describe because it doesn't fit their narrative, even though
Speaker 2: it's not the truth.
Speaker 4: They just yell it's not true. No, no, no, it's
Speaker 4: not true. And yet it is the view over and
Speaker 4: over again of elected Democrats. And the hate when you
Speaker 4: pointed out. Reporters hate when you pointed out. Activists hate
Speaker 4: when you pointed out because Republicans are supposed to be
Speaker 4: on the defensive. They're supposed to run away and not
Speaker 4: be willing to discuss the issue.
Speaker 3: And what I said earlier at Tripfest I said.
Speaker 4: Listen, abortion, people disagree, people disagree strongly, and the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court was right in overturning Row and leaving the issue
Speaker 4: to the democratically elected legislature so that we can have
Speaker 4: the answer to that question about what the rules should
Speaker 4: be decided by the democrat process, not by nine unelected
Speaker 4: lawyers in black robes. And again, left wing activists don't
Speaker 4: like to hear it. They wanted to create their view
Speaker 4: and force it on people whether they like it or not,
Speaker 4: because they've got a real problem with democracy.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken at this event several years in a row.
Speaker 2: I wanted to get your take because I wanted to
Speaker 2: see what the audience is gonna do. I was really
Speaker 2: intrigued as I was watching this online as you were there.
Speaker 2: It was the audience going to change on the issue
Speaker 2: of immigration reform in border security because the onslaught of
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants coming across the border into Texas and what
Speaker 2: it's happening around the country. Seeing this debate change very
Speaker 2: quickly with Democrats like Mayor Adams and the governor New
Speaker 2: York and others. Did the audience change in Austin though,
Speaker 2: because it's go outside, go anywhere in Texas. You can
Speaker 2: see the difference in how the state's changing because of
Speaker 2: so many illegal immigrants come across the border. Were they
Speaker 2: willing to have a different dialogue this.
Speaker 3: Year, Not not remotely.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, left wing college students live in an ivory tower.
Speaker 4: These are the same college students that think school choice
Speaker 4: there's no need for it, that think the Second Amendment
Speaker 4: is unnecessary and we should disarm people that want to
Speaker 4: see unlimited abortion on demand because they're being indoctrinated. Look,
Speaker 4: they're nineteen twenty year olds are being indoctrinated, So on
Speaker 4: immigration that their only view as open borders is mandated
Speaker 4: by justice, and so they.
Speaker 3: Don't want to hear the people who are hurt.
Speaker 4: They don't want to hear the suffering, they don't want
Speaker 4: to hear the death that comes from open borders because
Speaker 4: it's inconsistent with their political narrative.
Speaker 1: Take a look at this video. It's interesting and.
Speaker 4: It's a problem that is man made. This is one
Speaker 4: of the important things to say. So if you look
Speaker 4: at press talking points, one of the talking points that
Speaker 4: you see from the White House is well, the border
Speaker 4: is just not solvable. The problem with that is that
Speaker 4: is objectively false. When Joe Biden came into office, he
Speaker 4: inherited the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years.
Speaker 4: And this crisis was caused by three specific decisions. Number one,
Speaker 4: it was caused the first week in office. Biden immediately
Speaker 4: halted construction of the border wall. Number two, he reinstated
Speaker 4: the failed policy of catch and release, so that when
Speaker 4: people are apprehended, they're given a court date sometime in
Speaker 4: the future, they're let go and the vast majority of
Speaker 4: them are never seen again. And number three, he pulled
Speaker 4: out of the incredibly successful remain in Mexico Agreement.
Speaker 3: Now, what was remain in Mexico.
Speaker 4: Remain in Mexico was an international agreement the United States
Speaker 4: negotiated with Mexico that said that when people cross illegally
Speaker 4: into Mexico, typically from Central or South America, that they
Speaker 4: would remain in Mexico while their US asylum case was preceding.
Speaker 1: And it worked.
Speaker 4: It worked incredibly well, so much so that we saw
Speaker 4: the lowest rate of illegal immigration in forty five years.
Speaker 4: Biden came in his first week in office, he ripped
Speaker 4: that agreement to shreds and we right now have the
Speaker 4: highest rate ever recorded. Seven point two million people have
Speaker 4: crossed illegally since Biden became president, and it is utterly indefensible.
Speaker 5: I want to move on to one, one or two
Speaker 5: topics before we go to audience questions.
Speaker 1: Here, Let's just think about how silent he was.
Speaker 2: It's like, let's move on again, right, don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about the facts. And if you look at the
Speaker 2: numbers since Joe Biden took office, you have seven point
Speaker 2: five million illegal immigrants that have crossed the border, including
Speaker 2: one point five million guidaways to escape border patrol and
Speaker 2: vanished into the country.
Speaker 1: In Friday, there was a dump of new data.
Speaker 2: The Biden administration announced two hundred and thirty two, nine
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two illegal immigrants were encountered at the
Speaker 2: southern border in August. That's the thirtieth straight month center
Speaker 2: of the worst border crisis in history, and the highest
Speaker 2: total for that month in Department of Homeland Security history.
Speaker 1: That is how bad it is.
Speaker 2: And if you take a look at the graft that
Speaker 2: was released on Friday by the Border Patrol custom Border,
Speaker 2: this is what it looks like. And I I want
Speaker 2: to get your reaction to now, this is just the encounters,
Speaker 2: and you can explain the difference for people between encounters
Speaker 2: and godaways.
Speaker 4: So encounters are where border patrol agents actually encounter someone,
Speaker 4: they stop someone, they turn them in. A got away
Speaker 4: is they see someone and they take off, so they
Speaker 4: don't actually apprehend them. They but they know that they
Speaker 4: are there. They just got away. And let let's go
Speaker 4: back to this chart because I want to walk it through.
Speaker 4: So if you look at the August numbers, all right,
Speaker 4: August of twenty twenty, there were forty nine hundred and
Speaker 4: twenty nine encounters.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 4: Although it was the lowest in forty five years. One
Speaker 4: year later, August of twenty twenty one, it goes from
Speaker 4: forty thousand to two hundred and thirteen thousand, five hundred
Speaker 4: and ninety three. So August of twenty twenty there were
Speaker 4: fifty thousand and fourteen encounters. Now that's a lot, but
Speaker 4: twenty twenty was the lowest rate of illegal immigration in.
Speaker 3: Forty five years.
Speaker 1: So is the president then?
Speaker 3: That would be Donald.
Speaker 1: Trump, just making sure everybody knows that.
Speaker 4: So fifty and twenty twenty one year later, August of
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, two hundred and nine thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 4: and forty so it's increased four hundred percent. First year
Speaker 4: Biden's in office August of twenty twenty two, two hundred
Speaker 4: and four thousand and eighty seven, So it stays up
Speaker 4: four x where it was under Trump. And how about
Speaker 4: August of twenty twenty three, they just released the numbers
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty two thousand, nine hundred and seventy two.
Speaker 4: It's nearly five hundred percent where it was in August
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty. And if you look at this chart,
Speaker 4: that same ratio is there every single month. October November
Speaker 4: December January Februy. All the way through you see numbers
Speaker 4: that are about a quarter of what they are now,
Speaker 4: a four x increase. And that's what happens when you
Speaker 4: have open border democrats who empower the cartels and among
Speaker 4: other things, make billions of dollars for the cartels in
Speaker 4: human trafficking, in drug trafficking, not concerning themselves with the
Speaker 4: death and suffering and misery that results from.
Speaker 2: There's a civil war the Democratic Party right now over
Speaker 2: the immigration issue. We're seeing, you know, Mayor Adams come out,
Speaker 2: the Governor of New York come out, and it's hard
Speaker 2: to just overlook what's happening at the border. There was
Speaker 2: an interesting Fox report that I think put it in
Speaker 2: perspective for people, and I wanted to make sure we
Speaker 2: played it in the video pod. And many people are
Speaker 2: listening to this right now. They're listening on audio only.
Speaker 2: You can go watch the video that we're about to
Speaker 2: do on YouTube, all right, because we're doing this one
Speaker 2: with video and audio. Go look at it, because this
Speaker 2: is something that should go viral and people should see.
Speaker 1: Yep, take a look at this.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that early this morning, an eagle
Speaker 5: pass we witnessed one of the largest mass illegal crossings
Speaker 5: we have ever seen in the last two and a
Speaker 5: half years of covering our southern border. We'll get right
Speaker 5: to this video. Take a look at this stunning footage.
Speaker 5: Border patrol sources telling us just after midnight about two thousand,
Speaker 5: five hundred migrants crossed illegally into Eagle So you can
Speaker 5: see this lengthy line of them stretching from shore to
Speaker 5: shore in the river. This video perspective coming from the
Speaker 5: Mexican side of the river in Piedros Negros, one of
Speaker 5: our contacts over there shooting this video as they essentially
Speaker 5: bum rushed Eagle Pass.
Speaker 2: Last night, you saw that there was another video also
Speaker 2: in viral, and that was a train coming towards America
Speaker 2: filled with people. And it's like the cartails that figured out, Hey,
Speaker 2: they're not gonna stop us. In fact, the more that
Speaker 2: we send the more likely it is to be successful.
Speaker 2: We can just bum rush the border and this administration
Speaker 2: will not stop us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's put these these numbers in context. So, as
Speaker 4: we've discussed on the pod before, Mayor Adams in New
Speaker 4: York has said that New York is City isn't a
Speaker 4: crisis they've had one hundred and ten thousand illegal immigrants.
Speaker 4: He says that one hundred and ten thousand illegal immigrants
Speaker 4: is destroying New York City. I want to focus on
Speaker 4: Eagle Pass where where if you watch that video you
Speaker 4: just saw the people crossing. Eagle Pass is a small
Speaker 4: town on the southern border on the Rio Grande River.
Speaker 4: It has a population of about twenty eight thousand people,
Speaker 4: so it's a little town. On one single day last week,
Speaker 4: more than four thousand illegal immigrants came into Eagle Pass
Speaker 4: on one day. Now four thousand people in town of
Speaker 4: twenty eight thousand people is about fourteen percent of the population.
Speaker 4: About fourteen percent of the population of the city came
Speaker 4: illegally into Eagle Pass on one day. What would that
Speaker 4: be in New York City? New York City has a
Speaker 4: population of about nine million people. If fourteen percent of
Speaker 4: New York City came into New York on one day,
Speaker 4: that would be one million, two hundred and sixty thousand
Speaker 4: people invading New York on a single day. Mayor Adams says,
Speaker 4: one hundred and ten thousand people over two and a
Speaker 4: half years is a crisis destroying the city. Well, how
Speaker 4: would he feel about one million, two hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: thousand people entering the city on a single day. That's
Speaker 4: what Eagle Pass saw on one day last week. And
Speaker 4: you know what they saw thousands more the next day
Speaker 4: and the next day and the next day and the
Speaker 4: next day. And these Democrats do not give a damn.
Speaker 2: Border Patrol Union put out a very interesting tweet and
Speaker 2: this is what they said as they put this out.
Speaker 2: It said, from September first through the twentieth, the Biden
Speaker 2: administration or the release of more than one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: This to order the release of one hundred thousand legal
Speaker 2: border crashers, enough to double the population of sees like Uma, Arizona.
Speaker 2: Think about what Biden is doing to this country with
Speaker 2: his out of control border policies.
Speaker 1: How many millions more?
Speaker 2: That's not like exaggeration when they say Border Patrol Union
Speaker 2: saying how many millions more, that's a very accurate sit
Speaker 2: because there are millions.
Speaker 4: Look, they're at seven and a half million, and Joe
Speaker 4: Biden and Kamala Harris and Chuck Schumer and Alejandro may
Speaker 4: orcus and every Senate Democrat and just about every congressional
Speaker 4: Democrat they want seven and a half million, to go
Speaker 4: to ten million, to go to two million, to go
Speaker 4: to fifteen million. They want as many as possible. And
Speaker 4: by the way, if you don't believe me that they
Speaker 4: want as many as possible, take a look at the
Speaker 4: Governor of New York, Governor Hochel back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: so just two years ago, where she is explicitly inviting
Speaker 4: as many as possible to come to New York.
Speaker 1: Take a look.
Speaker 6: So our message the world is, send us your people,
Speaker 6: send us those who need the cloak of comfort that
Speaker 6: we can demonstrate as New Yorkers.
Speaker 7: With big hearts and open arms, and we'll provide.
Speaker 6: A safe have and particularly for these Afghan refugees, we're
Speaker 6: so proud that are here. We have already seventy five
Speaker 6: hundred Afghans living here already, and we expect to have
Speaker 6: another eighteen hundred more. And we send a message from
Speaker 6: day one, we'll take as many as you want to
Speaker 6: have us have come to New York State because it's
Speaker 6: a huge point of pride for us, and we'll support
Speaker 6: them to build a whole new life.
Speaker 1: Open arms and big hearts. In twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: And she also said will take as many as you
Speaker 4: want to have come to New York, please come. So
Speaker 4: that is the approved talking point of left wingers. Now
Speaker 4: fast forward to twenty twenty three, same governor.
Speaker 3: Here's what she says this year.
Speaker 7: It certainly will, because about forty one percent of the
Speaker 7: people in our shelters today are from Venezuela. They are
Speaker 7: lily from around the world, West Africa, South and Central America.
Speaker 7: They're coming from all over. But we have to let
Speaker 7: the word out that when you come to New York,
Speaker 7: we're not going to have more hotel rooms. We don't
Speaker 7: have capacities. So we have to also message properly that
Speaker 7: we're at our limit. If you're going to leave your country,
Speaker 7: go somewhere else. But the smarter thing is to apply
Speaker 7: for asylum before you leave your country, and then you'll
Speaker 7: have a different experience when you arrive.
Speaker 2: If you're going to leave your country, center go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Down that we're at our limit. We're at our limit.
Speaker 1: We have no more hotel rooms for you.
Speaker 3: And by the way, look at the numbers.
Speaker 4: So in twenty twenty one, she was saying, we have
Speaker 4: seventy five hundred afar and we expect another eighteen hundred
Speaker 4: more Okay, So if they're talking seven eight nine thousand,
Speaker 4: that we're good one hundred and ten thousand, Oh crap,
Speaker 4: we're at our limit. We said eighteen hundred, we didn't
Speaker 4: say one hundred and ten thousand. Well what do you
Speaker 4: think about seven and.
Speaker 3: A half million?
Speaker 4: The utter hypocrisy and mind you you know, you know
Speaker 4: what name she didn't say Joe Biden. Yeah, she didn't
Speaker 4: say Kamala Harris, she didn't say Chuck Schumer. If New
Speaker 4: York is at its limit, doesn't New York State have
Speaker 4: two US Senators?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Isn't one of them the Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer.
Speaker 2: Who could do something on this, actually legislation or introduce legislation.
Speaker 4: And not only does he not introduce legislation, he votes
Speaker 4: against anything to secure the border. He demonizes any effort
Speaker 4: to secure the border. He embraces the open borders that
Speaker 4: are destroying New York City, and even the Democrats who
Speaker 4: are calling it out, they don't dare call out their
Speaker 4: fellow Democrats. Instead, they blame as I love, you know,
Speaker 4: Mayor Adams who said some madman in Texas, Greg Abbott. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm still I'm still offended that he wasn't talking about me.
Speaker 4: But the hypocrisy is massive because New York's Democrat governor
Speaker 4: is not saying stop secure the border, stop the invasion.
Speaker 4: She's saying, please don't send them to New York, send
Speaker 4: them to Red States. Make other people deal with them
Speaker 4: so I can continue to virtue signal. By the way,
Speaker 4: did you notice also in that press interview it was
Speaker 4: a little Stepford wives that that that that that both
Speaker 4: she and the woman interviewing are wearing the exact same
Speaker 4: white suit. Yeah, it was just kind of a little
Speaker 4: freaky look, and I'm not sure what was going on there.
Speaker 1: I love everybody asked me about it.
Speaker 2: You really believe there's bias in the media, And I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: Like I love when I'm traveling, you get it to
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: People come up and they kind of want to antagonize, like,
Speaker 2: there's not bias media. If you were a decent person
Speaker 2: in the media, when she said go somewhere else, any journalist,
Speaker 2: the initial response would been, will governor where else where?
Speaker 2: What is this somewhere where else? Is that another state?
Speaker 2: Are you telling me to go to another country? There
Speaker 2: was no follow up.
Speaker 4: There on at all, No no, no, because there's no
Speaker 4: response to that, go somewhere else what they mean. And
Speaker 4: actually the Biden White House said that go to Texas.
Speaker 4: Send them all to Texas because they hate Texas and
Speaker 4: they figure if they invade Texas with enough people, they'll
Speaker 4: flip it blue. And you know what, if the cities
Speaker 4: are bankrupted, and if people die, and if children are assaulted,
Speaker 4: and if they're drug overdoses, all of that is an
Speaker 4: acceptable price for their partisan political objective.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Eagle Pass, and you're starting to see some
Speaker 2: of these smaller mayors in these smaller towns. They're finally
Speaker 2: getting some airtime on places like CNN, and they're doing
Speaker 2: an amazing job telling their story now because they've been
Speaker 2: bombarded with illegal immig And again you compared it to
Speaker 2: New York City as you did a moment ago, and
Speaker 2: it should make you angry, But imagine being a mayor.
Speaker 2: You're being invaded every twenty four hours with thirty forty
Speaker 2: fifty six percent of your entire population with illegal immigrants
Speaker 2: are come across and now they're draining on your economy.
Speaker 2: They're not helping your economy, they're draining your economy, and
Speaker 2: they're begging for help.
Speaker 1: And look at what he had to say on CNN.
Speaker 8: This is definitely a very serious situation for the city
Speaker 8: of Eagle Pass. We're a city of about twenty eight
Speaker 8: to thirty thousand people, and the last couple of days
Speaker 8: we've had in excess of five thousand people cross from
Speaker 8: Piadras Negadas, Mexico into Eagle Past, Texas. It's become a
Speaker 8: big concern for the community. A lot of people are frustrated,
Speaker 8: a lot of these people are being loose in the community,
Speaker 8: walking around, and it's just a big concern for the
Speaker 8: City of Eagle Pass, not only safety wise, but also
Speaker 8: our local economy is taking a hit because because of
Speaker 8: this crisis, we've had to shut down bridge and a
Speaker 8: one our international bridge, which so many millions of dollars
Speaker 8: glow through this bridge. We depend on the tolls of
Speaker 8: the people that pay those bridge tolls, and it's just
Speaker 8: an emergency situation. That is why as mayor for the
Speaker 8: City of Eagle Pass, I decided to declare a state
Speaker 8: of emergency for our city because We've never seen this before.
Speaker 8: This is not normal, and we shouldn't have to be
Speaker 8: going through a situation like this in the United States
Speaker 8: or here in Egle Pass, Texas.
Speaker 1: No, you shouldn't.
Speaker 2: No, you shouldn't. For by the way, that was on CNN.
Speaker 2: You just heard Aaron Burnett say no, you shouldn't.
Speaker 4: So I want to pull that screen up again. Don't
Speaker 4: play the video, but just pull the screen up again.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you what letter is missing from
Speaker 4: the screen.
Speaker 1: It's a trick question. I'm ready, go ahead.
Speaker 3: So it says at the bottom Mayor Rolando Salinas.
Speaker 1: Oh the D or the R?
Speaker 3: And what is he?
Speaker 4: He's a Democrat and they didn't put the democrats. CNN
Speaker 4: didn't want to tell you. This is a Democrat who's
Speaker 4: calling what's going on so miraculous. There's not a little
Speaker 4: D after his name, which they usually do. CNN knows
Speaker 4: how to do that. Yeah, it's always up there, It
Speaker 4: is always up there. Until they realize this is counter
Speaker 4: to the narrative. You've got an Hispanic Democrat, Holy crap
Speaker 4: in South Texas saying this is an emergency.
Speaker 3: This is not normal. No, no, no, no, we can't have
Speaker 3: that Let's have people assume he's a Republican.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's make sure they don't think he's a Democrat.
Speaker 4: Okay, Look South Texas, most of the elected officials are Democrats,
Speaker 4: and I cannot tell you how many of them have
Speaker 4: said if my party nationally supports open borders, I can't
Speaker 4: be a part of that because you cannot see what
Speaker 4: is happening on the border and defend it. Nobody does.
Speaker 4: There is nobody who sees it day to day in
Speaker 4: reality and says this is a good outcome, this is
Speaker 4: a humane outcome.
Speaker 3: It is indefensible.
Speaker 4: It's an emergency, and it's a man made emergency that
Speaker 4: Joe Biden the Democrats want to have happen, and they
Speaker 4: want to make it worse to tomorrow. And you know
Speaker 4: they do because the policies they're following are designed to
Speaker 4: make it worse tomorrow.
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