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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is Upstraight firefam,

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Speaker 2: It's me Jason McIntyre Street Fire for Friday, July twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: This month, I cannot believe how fast it's gone. We

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Speaker 2: now have training camp updates thanks to social media, almost

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Speaker 2: on the hour, feeling seemingly the minute. And we got

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Speaker 2: a big potential injury or two that happened Thursday. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to them shortly. Obviously, we will continue our NFL

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Speaker 2: conference previews in the NFC a little later in the podcast,

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Speaker 2: but we've got to start. I thought, like, m that boy,

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Speaker 2: that Jalen Ramsey KRT thing not good. I'm like Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton taking shots at the New Jets OC not a

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Speaker 2: huge I think it's a little overblown, but we'll get

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Speaker 2: to that. Un Fortunately, the biggest news is Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: one of the best quarterbacks in the league, arguably the

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Speaker 2: a pretty scary injury. And I know, listen, it's training camp.

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Speaker 2: Guys go down. Everybody wants to be overly cautious so

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Speaker 2: they get the cart out. But if you've seen the

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Speaker 2: video of Joe Burrow moving up, climbing the pocket and

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Speaker 2: then exiting the pocket, and he takes a step and

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Speaker 2: just reaches for his calf and goes down instantly. And

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Speaker 2: way too many times. I'll just say this. I obviously

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Speaker 2: don't know anybody on the Bengals, haven't reached out to anyone,

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Speaker 2: but I've been around several people who have popped their achilles.

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Speaker 2: And a doctor friend of mine who listens to the

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Speaker 2: three of them, and actually no here, he was there

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Speaker 2: to tell whether it's gone or it's still intact and

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Speaker 2: it's not your achilles. And he did it within moments

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Speaker 2: of both of the achilles, and you know, he didn't

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Speaker 2: already shook both of them, but he basically was like, hmm, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna we need yeah, we need to get you

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Speaker 2: tell he was being nice. The Bengals aren't gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna know instantly. And the fact that we don't

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Speaker 2: know at this juncture. Is probably a good sign that

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is it's just a calf injury, probably of

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Speaker 2: the two to six week nature. Overly cautious. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: gonna play in the preseason anyway, we know this. Now

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Speaker 2: here's the interesting thing. I instantly recalled, Look, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: when was the appendectomy that Burrow had? Was it two

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Speaker 2: years ago? Was it last year? And it was last year?

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Speaker 2: And Burrow as a result, didn't didn't play in the preseason,

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Speaker 2: came out a little sluggish, and I'm looking here at

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Speaker 2: the opener. They played the Pittsburgh Steelers. They lost a

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Speaker 2: brutal game that was trubisky, looking anemic, but Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: kept the Steelers in the game with seventeen interceptions, not really,

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Speaker 2: I think he had five, and Pittsburgh wins in overtime.

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Speaker 2: Was first start for Burrow coming off the appendectomy, and

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Speaker 2: then the next week he still wasn't good and they

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Speaker 2: lost to the Cowboys twenty seventeen. Ultimately, he found his

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Speaker 2: footing against my Jets in Week three and they get

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Speaker 2: whether it's Burrow Ramsey. Remember earlier this week CJGJ the

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Speaker 2: the next day. Dan Camill's yeah, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: We haven't had football in forever, and if you go

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Speaker 2: let's let's keep it real here. This is probably not

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Speaker 2: a big deal. Although it did look scary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I first heard that he went down,

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Speaker 1: The problem is that this is not last season's AFC.

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Speaker 1: You could make a legitimate argument that every team in

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Speaker 1: thinks they can make the playoffs. The Raiders flat out

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Speaker 2: Because you said that, I just looked it up. So

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Speaker 2: the Bengals open in Cleveland. Cleveland is a bit of

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Speaker 2: think Stefanski's a really good coach. Remember this guy got

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield to the second round of the playoffs. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Now he's gonna have a healthy, fully locked in Watson.

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Speaker 2: not easy. Now the other thing, Rob, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: massive contract. Justin Herbert just got paid, Hurts got paid,

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Speaker 2: Burrow's got enough of a history the last two years

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Speaker 2: that you're like, we're paying this guy, he's our fay

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Speaker 2: injury doesn't matter, Listen. He had two really, really really

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Speaker 2: good years. Jalen Hurts had won and got paid. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's two seasons have been incredible. AFC Title Game

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, So I don't think this injury or scare

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Speaker 2: steam ahead. He's your guy, no monkeying around. Lock it up,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, as far as the contract negotians go,

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Speaker 1: lower your cap number, you kick can down the road.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's be real. Rogers was helping the Jets' front

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Speaker 2: within twelve hours of Rogers renegotiating. Oh, Dalvin Cook's visiting

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Speaker 2: helping the owner as much as he's helping the front office.

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Speaker 2: That it being Rogers. It's not unless the Jets like,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I have this, you know, ten million,

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Speaker 2: we'll touch on Dalvin Cope before we get to Sean Payton.

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Speaker 2: don't need Dalvin Cook. Hold on, None of the Jets

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Speaker 2: the Jags, the Texans, the Colts, and the and the

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Speaker 2: Titans would have a strong argument against this summer. I've decided,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, to make the New Orleans Saints my

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Speaker 2: team of destiny, and I love them. I love everything

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Speaker 2: about the Saints, and I think, geez, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: a chance New Orleans could rebound to be the number

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Speaker 2: one seed. You look at the Eagles. They lose both

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Speaker 2: their coordinators. I believe there's a wild stat like nobody

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Speaker 2: has repeated as NFC East champ and something like I

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Speaker 2: don't know, eighteen twenty twenty five years. It's been a

433
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Speaker 2: long time. Bottom line, there's just wackedness that happens. So

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have the Cowboys sliding up. Nobody

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Speaker 2: has the Giants sliding up. I think the Eagles break that,

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Speaker 2: But I don't think the Eagles are another fourteen fifteen

437
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Speaker 2: win juggernaut. I just don't think that's possible. It's very

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Speaker 2: difficult to duplicate. By the way teams are going to

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Speaker 2: come ready for their quarterbacks, sneak, don't act like defensive

440
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Speaker 2: coordinators haven't spent the offseason being like, oh, I know

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Speaker 2: how to stop it. All that being said, I think

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Speaker 2: the Saints can challenge the Eagles and the Niners for

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Speaker 2: the number one seed, mostly because of the schedule. It

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Speaker 2: is as soft as schedule as you will find in

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Speaker 2: the league. There's a reason their win total is nine

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Speaker 2: and a half. Nobody really trusts the head coach, Dennis Allen.

447
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Speaker 2: I read some analytic breakdown where he was like one

448
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Speaker 2: of the worst at making those decisions. Do I punt?

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Speaker 2: Do I kick the field goal? Do I go for

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Speaker 2: it on fourth? He was allegedly one of the most

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Speaker 2: cautious and that cautious slash worst decision makers in the league,

452
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Speaker 2: and his record kind of shows it. That being said,

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Speaker 2: I think they had four, maybe five different starting quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: last year and they were still competitive into December, angling

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Speaker 2: for a wild card spot. Now you entered Derek Carr,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of anybody's breakdown of the Panthers usually starts,

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Speaker 2: sorry the Saints usually begins and ends with what do

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Speaker 2: you think of Derek Carr? Well, he got rob G's

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Speaker 2: Raiders to the playoffs, and then he got hurt, so

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Speaker 2: he missed it, and then he got rob G's Raiders

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs and lost a tough one to the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like, if memory serves, they were inside

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Speaker 2: the ten yard line and could not convert. Bengals survive,

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Speaker 2: Bengals go on to the Super Bowl. So like Derek

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Speaker 2: Carr did just get them there two years ago? Like,

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Speaker 2: how much do we read into Josh McDaniels last year

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Speaker 2: with Carr. I don't know, I'm not. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm buying Derek Carr low. But the wind totals nine

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Speaker 2: and a half. And again, I think it's a massive

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Speaker 2: upgrade from car from Andy Dalton to Derek Carr. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we got Chris o'lave, we got Mike Thomas back, Kamara's back,

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Speaker 2: the defense is sneaky good. Again, is this the I

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Speaker 2: guess you're not supposed to say the tallest midget, right,

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Speaker 2: But the Saints in a weak division feel like the

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Speaker 2: strongest team. Do they feel like on the level of

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Speaker 2: the Eagles in forty nine ers? Absolutely not. But because

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Speaker 2: of the division they play in, because of the lack

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Speaker 2: of outdoor cold weather games, because of the amount of

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Speaker 2: Dome games, They're gonna be right in the mix all season.

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Speaker 2: And when I go to Vegas to sign up for

481
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Speaker 2: the contest next month, I will be betting their alt

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Speaker 2: win total if I can find an over ten and

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Speaker 2: a half, maybe over eleven and a half. Twelve wins

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Speaker 2: is not out of the question for the Saints. I

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Speaker 2: have them winning the division. The second team I like

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Speaker 2: is the Atlanta Falcons. And you know we had Warren

487
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Speaker 2: Sharp on here earlier this month, their total's been bet

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Speaker 2: up from eight to eight and a half. Again. Nobody

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Speaker 2: likes Desmond Ritter. Nobody really knows what to make of them.

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Speaker 2: Nobody loves drafting a running back in the first round,

491
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Speaker 2: be John Robinson top ten, no less, especially when you

492
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Speaker 2: got a fifth rounder Algier who put up over a

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Speaker 2: thousand yards last year. And it's like Pitts Drake London,

494
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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of young, uncertain offensive guys. Now.

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Speaker 2: The offensive line is very good, the defense will see.

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Speaker 2: The reason to like Atlanta, the only reason to buy

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Speaker 2: them is because of the schedule. It feels like all

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Speaker 2: they play is rookie and second year and untested quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: The schedule, I'm not even folks. It is the softest

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Speaker 2: schedule in the league. Their first six opponents, they play

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback in Bryce Young. They play Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: who has eighty three career passes. They play the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 2: who have Jared Goff. Then they play Trevor Lawrence, is

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Speaker 2: the best quarterback I believe they face all season. Then

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Speaker 2: they play C. J. Strout of Houston. Then they play

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. Assuming Baker Mayfield still the quarterback four and two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're certainly not gonna be big underdogs, and

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Speaker 2: it maybe they could be favorite in some of them. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I don't like the Falcons makeup, but because of the schedule,

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Speaker 2: they will be in the mix for a wild card spot.

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Speaker 2: I've got them second in the division now that two

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Speaker 2: teams the Carolina Panthers in Tampa Bay Carolina. For me,

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Speaker 2: it would be a long term stock buy because I

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Speaker 2: like Frank Reich. I don't know about Bryce Young, but

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Speaker 2: I do think they can build something around him. The

516
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Speaker 2: defense has a couple of pieces that you can work with.

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Speaker 2: It's just too early. I do not like the wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: Adam feeln is like is he is? He? Are they

519
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Speaker 2: really trying to make him the number one? The other

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Speaker 2: guys are Terrence Marshall, DJ Shark, Hayden Hurst, the tight

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Speaker 2: end like Miles Sanders, your top running back like they've

522
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Speaker 2: got a bunch of okay. Offensive line could come together,

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Speaker 2: and the defense again will keep them in games. The

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Speaker 2: schedule will also keep them around. I think this is

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Speaker 2: probably that the win total seven and a half for

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Speaker 2: a rookie. I think this is a seven because I

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Speaker 2: like Reike maybe eight win team. I've got them third

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Speaker 2: in the division. But I say bye because next season,

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Speaker 2: next offseason, they'll be able to go out and spend

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Speaker 2: with Bryce Young on the rookie deal, and maybe then

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Speaker 2: you bring in Let's see what happens with a guy

532
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Speaker 2: like t Higgins in Cincinnati. I'm sure they'll tag him,

533
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Speaker 2: but ultimately they're going to be able to find some

534
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Speaker 2: dudes and overpay and all of a sudden, Carolina could

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Speaker 2: be a player in the NFC South. Dead last, I've

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Speaker 2: got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think there's a I

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Speaker 2: would definitely look at lines for worst record in the

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Speaker 2: league for Tampa because once they stink, and they will,

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Speaker 2: it's honestly, Kyle Trask or Baker Mayfield. Once we find

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Speaker 2: out just how bad they are, I wonder if they

541
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Speaker 2: start selling the likes of Hey, does anyone want to

542
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Speaker 2: want Chris Godwin on a push for the playoffs? Does

543
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Speaker 2: anyone want Mike Evans? We are doing a rebuild. Todd Oh,

544
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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm spacing on his name. The head coach,

545
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Speaker 2: Todd Bowles, former Jets coach. He's probably gone. This will

546
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Speaker 2: be a complete teardown. Ultimately, the defense is very old

547
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Speaker 2: and they could be looking to sell cornerbacks. They ultimately

548
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Speaker 2: are thinking we need draft picks. What can we unload?

549
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Speaker 2: This is a fire sale I think by the trade deadline,

550
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Speaker 2: and I think Tampa Bay is certainly in the mix

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Speaker 2: to get Caleb Williams. This feels like a three or

552
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Speaker 2: four win team. There is just nothing, absolutely nothing to

553
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Speaker 2: like about this team. Didn't love the draft. I'm looking

554
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Speaker 2: here and I'm saying, like, oh, the defensive defensive depth

555
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Speaker 2: chart is like whoa, There's a lot of not good there.

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Speaker 2: So I'm out on Tampa. I've got them last in

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Speaker 2: the division. Rob. I don't know if you're agreeing with me,

558
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Speaker 2: but I will roll with New Orleans winning the division.

559
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Speaker 2: Atlanta fringe playoff team TBD. We'll figure that out at

560
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Speaker 2: the end of next month. After a preseason I've got

561
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Speaker 2: Carolina third, and then pulling up the rear Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you said that you don't like that

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Speaker 1: we agree on stuff, because I had two very scintillating

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Speaker 1: hot takes for this segment about the NFC South, and

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Speaker 1: then you went and stole both of them, basically because

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Speaker 1: one of them was I think the tapaway Buccaneers are

567
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Speaker 1: going to challenge the Cardinals to be the worst team

568
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Speaker 1: in the NFL next season, and the Kayler Williamsweet thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that's much of a hot take, but that

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Speaker 1: was one. The other one was my bold prediction for

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Speaker 1: Tony twenty three is New Orleans Saints are the second

572
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Speaker 1: seed in the NFC, and it's not. Again, it's not

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Speaker 1: because I like Derek Carr. I think he's that great.

574
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Speaker 1: I think he's obviously an upgrade over Addy Dalton and

575
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Speaker 1: Jameis Winston, but I think their defense is really good.

576
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Speaker 1: Chris o'lave is a stud. Hopefully Michael Thomas comes back.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming after basically two years now he will be

578
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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I don't know if it's official yet,

579
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Speaker 1: but I'm assuming that the Kamara suspension is going to

580
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Speaker 1: be like three games, three or four games, so it's

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Speaker 1: not going to be the whole season or half the

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Speaker 1: season anything like that. But the biggest reason is you

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Speaker 1: pointed out they play a cupcake schedule like the NFC

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Speaker 1: South as it is is not good. But I believe

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Speaker 1: they also play the AFC South and that might be

586
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Speaker 1: the second worst division in the NFL. So it's entirely

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Speaker 1: possible that Derek Carr, with all those weapons, is not

588
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Speaker 1: gonna have as much on his shoulders as he did

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders. He's going to be able to get

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Speaker 1: back to It was high completion percentage, Kirk Cousin s

591
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Speaker 1: games completing sixty seven sixty percent of his passes. Lean

592
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Speaker 1: on that defense, Cameron Jordan in his mid thirties is

593
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Speaker 1: still really good. And suddenly you look up and they're

594
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Speaker 1: eleven and four, twelve and four heading into the excuse me,

595
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Speaker 1: eleven and four, ten and five, heading into the last

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Speaker 1: month and the season, and they're fighting right there with San

597
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Speaker 1: Francisco or Philadelphia for the number two seed. So that

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Speaker 1: was gonna be my hot take, and then you went

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Speaker 1: and stole it. So then now we agree on everything

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Speaker 1: today and it's kind of suck.

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Speaker 2: Apologies all around, rob G. This is kind of one

602
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Speaker 2: of those weird weekends where the calendar is turning to August,

603
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Speaker 2: but it already feels like summer's over. You know, we're

604
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Speaker 2: starting to look at school supplies in school closed for

605
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Speaker 2: the kids, and I'm like, oh my gosh, we do

606
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Speaker 2: have a one final vacation of the year coming up.

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Speaker 2: I know rob G likes the thing. I take a

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Speaker 2: million vacations. But back here next week doing the pod

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Speaker 2: five days. Hope you guys like the interviews this week.

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Speaker 2: We got to nobody lined up yet for next week,

611
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Speaker 2: always taking suggestions, but I have a couple guys in mind,

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Speaker 2: shall we say, obviously football, and we're gonna start to

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Speaker 2: do a little college football next week as well. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the weekend or back Monday. Talk to you then,