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Speaker 2: Problem solved, Tackle for a Loss by Guess who Clais Campbell.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 1: the team. Touchdown Trey McBride.

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Speaker 4: Heck of a play by the all world tight end

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Speaker 4: Tray McBride.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was nasty right there, right slam to the

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Speaker 2: ground by Budda Baker like a torpedo. He came flying

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Speaker 2: into the backfield. I ain't scared it, no, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: You know what, every once in a while, I want

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Speaker 2: to read the room sort of you know, put my

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Speaker 2: what the climate the vibe might be in here. Are

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Speaker 2: we at a point where it's acceptable, permissible, feasible for

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Speaker 2: a guy like me to bring up the mock drafts

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Speaker 2: that are out I know there's a little bit of blowback.

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Speaker 2: You know, one or both of you might get a

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Speaker 2: little triggered if there's premature discussion of mock drafts. Are

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Speaker 2: we on the zone now where that's acceptable?

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Speaker 3: Super Bowls over, so I think it's officially fair game.

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Speaker 3: As the combine inches closer. I haven't done one yet,

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Speaker 3: though I have done a couple just to mess around.

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Speaker 5: Well, because again it's so.

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Speaker 3: Eas you've only sent me one.

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Speaker 5: Oh you want me to send them?

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Speaker 4: I will say that it's funny. I enjoy the process

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Speaker 4: of messing around on the computer doing them the actual

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Speaker 5: It's still a little early for me.

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Speaker 4: But as Danny noted, we are going to be at

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Speaker 4: the combine next week, and I have to say that

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Speaker 4: once we hit the combine, it's kind of like I

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Speaker 4: about it anymore, which was an issue for a couple

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Speaker 4: of people. Yeah another word for complain. Oh yeah, okay, wait,

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Speaker 4: I used it last week on the air.

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Speaker 3: And oh you did, I forgot about I had a couple.

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Speaker 4: Of people like, get a little oh, So I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: I won't use it anymore, Okay, a little more PG.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so NSFW, Darren Urban, Danny Surrek Yours truly poly podcast.

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Speaker 2: So if you guys end up snagging Daniel Jeremiah otherwise

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Speaker 2: talking about the draft, he's already done nearly a one

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Speaker 2: to eighty from Daniel Jeremiah one point zero to two

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Speaker 2: you know that he started out Fernando Mendoza, Rvel Reese,

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Speaker 2: Spencer Fano going to the Cardinals at number three this

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Speaker 2: one point h As of today, it's Fernando Mendoza still

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Speaker 2: number one, edge David Bailey number two. Cardinals still go tackle,

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Speaker 2: but they go Francis Maui Noah out of Miami.

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Speaker 4: I've seen the Miami kid be mocked to the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: So there's that. There's also speaking to mock. Let me

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Speaker 2: Well, there's plenty of debate whether it's Fan or Maui

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Speaker 2: Do we not forget the hierarchy around here? One is quarterback,

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Speaker 2: Two is get to the quarterback. Three is protect that quarterback.

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Speaker 2: What did Seattle do to Drake May who was one

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Speaker 2: How did the vaunted undefeated England Patriots go down at

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, are you making the argument for those

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Speaker 2: It would be it would be the former. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: I did not see that accountability, you know. And again,

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Speaker 4: They were basically saying, it's about the technique you use,

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Speaker 2: But was it us who had the conversation? Was the

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Speaker 4: That wasn't the conversation we had after the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: I do know that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, honestly, I'll echo, I'll echo what

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Speaker 2: mel kiper one point zero as the Cardinals going MAUI

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Speaker 2: nooa at number three, I gave you a Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 2: The only other mock draft I've seen having the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: Who is PFF having going to Baine? I don't want

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Speaker 2: Hey, they have actually they have a three round though,

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Speaker 2: if they have the Cardinals taking the ASU offensive tackle

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Speaker 2: now I can't, Max, I exactly, thank you, Darren six

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Speaker 5: I'm an anchor.

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Speaker 2: He was a star.

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Speaker 5: That's his last name. I'm an anchor, very close.

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Speaker 2: He was a star. The Senior Bowl allowed zero sacks

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Speaker 4: He seems to be going up the draft board real quick.

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Speaker 2: And then here's an intriguing one Pro Football Focus because

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Speaker 2: Actually, Doug so he was the Senior Bowl MVP. Let's

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Speaker 3: Okay, so Taylor Lawon, I mean Garrett Smyer.

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Speaker 2: I move along quickly. Bucky Brooks, Spencer fan out of

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Speaker 2: the record stuff do you guys glean? I've never been,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just curious, like how much discussion, how many

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say there's a whole lot necessarily that comes flowing,

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Speaker 4: up a little bit now. And I don't know, Danny,

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Speaker 4: if you ever got to go to the Combine in

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Speaker 3: Know Jerry Jones yea those I did actually go to

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Speaker 4: One of the things I've noticed, Paul, more than at

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Speaker 3: Years getting cultured With Danny, it is not just directed

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Speaker 2: Am I the default uncultured philistine around here.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you got me very excited.

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Speaker 3: Now I am on social media and consume more at

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Speaker 2: So piece of advice, never go to a live comedy

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Speaker 2: show and sit right next to the stage. Back in

439
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Speaker 2: the day, my wife and I were dating and she

440
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: bought me like a brand new shirt to go out

441
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Speaker 2: on the Sunset Strip and whatever the comedy club is

442
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Speaker 2: the famous we sat right next to him. Jay Moore

443
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: was the marquee guy, but one of the early acts

444
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Speaker 2: decided that my shirt was a rip off from Dawson's Creek.

445
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Speaker 2: The TV show was it, And every single comedian thereafter

446
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Speaker 2: worked me into his bit on the fly and called

447
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Speaker 2: me Dawson's Creek.

448
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Speaker 5: That is awesome. That's way better than Polly Pigski.

449
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Speaker 2: It was some sort of long sleeve collar deal sort

450
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Speaker 2: I don't quarters zip whatever, we need photos and last

451
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Speaker 2: on my list and being an idiot.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I hope that was clean. I hope I was

453
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Speaker 3: not interrupting that this one is for you, Darren. Yes,

454
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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant burner account, yes, speculation, she says with air quotes.

455
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Speaker 3: Oh boy, So Kevin Durant, former Phoenix Sun was caught

456
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Speaker 3: trash talking both current and former teammates through Twitter messages allegedly. Right,

457
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: and there's some Burner account that's been access since twenty nineteen,

458
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Speaker 3: and people are starting to piece the pieces together and

459
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Speaker 3: how similar these messages are to some of his public tweets.

460
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Speaker 3: It's not his picture, it's not his name. But there

461
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Speaker 3: was one comment in these messages that described Devin Booker

462
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Speaker 3: and former head coach Frank Vogel as quote two dictators

463
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Speaker 3: when talking about the Suns and Darren You don't look.

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Speaker 4: Surprised, no, yeah, as I as I heard somebody else

465
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Speaker 4: say this morning. If if it was say Devin Booker

466
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Speaker 4: and they're talking about this only, uh, no way.

467
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Speaker 5: And then you hear Kevin Durant's name and you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that track.

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Speaker 2: How many different locker rooms has he been in? How

470
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Speaker 2: many different sets of teammates and head coaches? As Kevin

471
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Durant had quite a bit. And what's the one constant?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, you've both have been cultured.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like the one constant is the Burner account, honestly

474
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Speaker 2: supposed allegedly all right, what's amazing too, is Duran actually

475
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Speaker 2: is really good with the media.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's great with the media.

477
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's excellent as much as he well, I

478
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Speaker 2: don't know if he necessarily bags on the media on

479
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Speaker 2: social media as much as fans, and it.

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Speaker 5: Depends on a lot of time. It's that.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, if there's a take from a media

482
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Speaker 4: member that he does not approve of, he will definitely

483
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Speaker 4: say something or else his stands on him.

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Speaker 2: That's my segue because a press conference has been called

485
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Speaker 2: between the Cardinals new coordinators and the media. So let's

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Speaker 2: break this down. Here we go.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying any of them have burner accounts, don't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, not even know, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Have had it. Launched the I team and give us

490
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Speaker 2: an invest instigation. We'll find out.

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul's done investigating me in my pick, so's got time.

492
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Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett, age forty six, his fifth O c gig

493
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Speaker 2: Nick Rawless, who amazingly is still only thirty two years

494
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Speaker 2: of age, going to be as four season as the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals defensive coordinator and then new special teams coordinator. Michael

496
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Speaker 2: Gobriel age thirty seven, spent the past two years as

497
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Speaker 2: a Giant special teams coordinator and the three years before

498
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Speaker 2: that as a Jets assistant special teams coordinator. Hopefully there's

499
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Speaker 2: a spot in the press conference where I can ask

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Speaker 2: a potentially embarrassing question and it would go something like this, coach,

501
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Speaker 2: did Larry David ever reach out to you at any point?

502
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Speaker 2: Because Larry David has made it known every year for

503
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Speaker 2: the past like five to ten years that he could

504
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Speaker 2: easily coach the Jets special teams.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I have noticed it. I have heard.

506
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Speaker 3: I haven't heard that, yes, And we run in different circles.

507
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Speaker 2: Larry David still claims that he called the Jets GM

508
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Speaker 2: before the twenty eighteen draft and implored him to take Lamar.

509
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: Jackson still claims he did pretty dad, pretty good. So

510
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if coach Gobriel ever heard from Larry David.

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Speaker 2: That's an aside, to say the least. What do you guys,

512
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Speaker 2: what stands out about the three coordinators? Who wants to

513
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Speaker 2: bad lead off here?

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Speaker 4: I mean, clearly, I think now number one, the name

515
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Speaker 4: of Nathaniel Hackett was out there for like a week

516
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Speaker 4: or so before it officially got announced. We can kind

517
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Speaker 4: of double back to that.

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Speaker 5: Obviously.

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Speaker 4: The Nick rayleis thing I don't want to say, it's

520
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Speaker 4: a surprise. He was in the mix from Jump. I

521
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Speaker 4: think his name was thrown out there, Matt Matt, Mike

522
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Speaker 4: Lafleur knows a lot about Nick Rollis and going against

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Speaker 4: his defense. And one of the first things I think

524
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Speaker 4: of is, clearly we heard the name Gus Bradley early.

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Speaker 5: He ended up going elsewhere.

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Speaker 4: To The one thing I did think of was like, Okay,

527
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Speaker 4: you've got a guy who at least has been a

528
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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, and a lot of the other guys he

529
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Speaker 4: was talking to post Gus Bradley have not had that experience.

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Speaker 5: And I was telling.

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Speaker 4: Robert before the podcast, I'm like, it's interesting to me that,

532
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Speaker 4: like the Raiders essentially ended up doing what the Cardinals

533
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Speaker 4: did in twenty three. They hired a first time head

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Speaker 4: coach and is who's younger, and he hired two first

535
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Speaker 4: time coordinators that uh and And actually the Raiders also

536
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: promoted from within, Like the Raiders talk to a bunch

537
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Speaker 4: of people on the outside, and they ended up promoting

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Speaker 4: somebody on the previous staff. So I'll be interested to

539
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: see the parallels of how the Raiders and the Cardinals

540
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Speaker 4: kind of go with these new staffs.

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Speaker 2: Now So with Nick Carli's known versus unknown unproven when

542
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: you're yeah, when you're looking at and and look, if

543
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Speaker 2: it was if the Cardinals new head coach came from

544
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Speaker 2: the AFC North, then I probably feel less confident about

545
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Speaker 2: it than someone who's competed against Nick Rowss's defense twice

546
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: a year for three years. He knows that scheme and

547
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: that coordinator really well. McVeigh and Mike laflor have had

548
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: to deal with Matthew Stafford and you know, little anecdotal

549
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: information like Matthew Stafford two years ago twenty twenty four

550
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: did not throw a touchdown pass against the Cardinals defense,

551
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Speaker 2: and when he spoke to the media about how much

552
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Speaker 2: he respected this scheme and how it kept a quarterback honest.

553
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: And then you had Michael Lafloor telling the story going

554
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Speaker 2: into the Week fourteen game that Stafford walked into the

555
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: office to start the week of prep and said, you

556
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Speaker 2: know what, this defense, this team is better than the record.

557
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing that went a long way.

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Speaker 3: Even though it's not somebody new in the building, I'm

559
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Speaker 3: still intrigued by this hiring, so to say, of retaining

560
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: Nick Rowlis as the DC. The defense was riddled with

561
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Speaker 3: injuries last year, and while that might not be an

562
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Speaker 3: excuse because every team deals with injuries, it made an impact.

563
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Speaker 3: And having seen the progression from the first year to

564
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Speaker 3: the second year with Rallis's DC, it makes sense when

565
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Speaker 3: you take that in consideration of where things kind of

566
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: fell out in the third year. I'm intrigued because we

567
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: have seen a lot of fight. We've seen good things

568
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: from a rawless defense, especially those first two years. But

569
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Speaker 3: I'm intrigued because I'm also curious to see what adjustments

570
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Speaker 3: he makes. Number One, he no longer has a defensive

571
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: minded head coach, So it's not to say that Ralis

572
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: didn't have a heavy hand in the defense, but he's

573
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Speaker 3: now the defensive guy in that on that side of

574
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Speaker 3: the building. And not to mention what was brought up

575
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Speaker 3: by both the owner and the general manager in their

576
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: joint press conference when they announced firing Jonathan Gannon was

577
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: losing close games, which doesn't just fall on one side

578
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: of the team, but a lot of that was the

579
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Speaker 3: defense late in games early on in the season. And

580
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: the second thing that was mentioned by Michael Bidweilemania for

581
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Speaker 3: it was player development and with such a young team,

582
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Speaker 3: especially young defense, I'll be curious to see what kind

583
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: of progression or changes are made in that area that

584
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: have been called out by the two top dogs in

585
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Speaker 3: this building.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was that stretch where they lost seven

587
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Speaker 2: games by four points or fewer. They had three straight

588
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: walk off losses, fairly low scoring walk off losses. But

589
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Speaker 2: then there's also the trend. To Danny's point, you lost

590
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Speaker 2: Mac Wilson Senior and you didn't win another game. And

591
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Speaker 2: I like in it in hindsight more than ever. What

592
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: the Bengals offense looks like without Joe Burrow's kind of

593
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: like what the Cardinals defense looked like without their quarterback

594
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Speaker 2: Mac Wilson. That's how vital he was in so many ways.

595
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Speaker 2: One of us going into training camp last year was

596
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: touting the Titanic position battle at middle linebacker, except it wasn't.

597
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: It was already decided on day one, because that's how

598
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: much farther had Mac Wilson seen You're was than Cody

599
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: Simon or Owen Papo or a Keem Davis gaither a right,

600
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: and so you can't win them all. But it was

601
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: a realization that mac Wilson Senior was that much farther

602
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: ahead than the rest of the inside backers in that room,

603
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: and when you're running a fairly complex scheme, and in

604
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: some ways you needed to be complex. And because of

605
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Speaker 2: to your point, Danny, you had injuries, maybe you didn't

606
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Speaker 2: have quite the same talent that you thought you might have,

607
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: and so because of that, you thought, maybe you have

608
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: to win more with scheme than just rush four, drop seven,

609
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I would say safe to

610
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Speaker 2: say the final two months, most offensive coordinators went at

611
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Speaker 2: your rookie middle linebacker and if it's a game of matchups,

612
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: they would go right at him. And it was a

613
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: learning process. And Lorenzo Alexander detailed how much better Cody

614
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Simon was in the last two or three games, but

615
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: he learned on the job, and so I think all

616
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: that was taken into account when trying to assess the

617
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Speaker 2: job performance of Nick Rowsis.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody is going to sit here, least

619
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Speaker 4: of all Nick Rolis and sit here and say we

620
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: played great defense last year, or it was all injuries

621
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Speaker 4: or any of that stuff. He's not gonna do that.

622
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Speaker 4: But I find it hard to believe. And we haven't

623
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Speaker 4: had a chance to talk to Michae Lafleura. You mentioned

624
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: the press conference, it's upcoming, but this is being recorded

625
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: ahead of time. I find it hard to believe that

626
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: as a first year head coach you're going to make

627
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: a decision that you feel is a poor one just

628
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 4: because or because he's already here, or because of the

629
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Speaker 4: stability or whatever. I mean, there's got to be some

630
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: comfort level there because why else would you do it?

631
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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, I'm not into conspiracy theories with a

632
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff. He's a new coach, He's gonna

633
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 4: have a chance to put together his own staff. We

634
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: just saw it with Jonathan Gannon, Like if you had

635
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: questions about whether a guy could get his own staff,

636
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: Gannon went super young and got his guy in as

637
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: coordinators and it was so I trust that Lafleur was

638
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: getting the guys that he wanted to get of who

639
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: were available. And in this case it happens to being

640
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Speaker 4: Nick Ralis and we will see how that plays out.

641
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Speaker 2: And based on the quote that was issued from Michael

642
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: Lafleur on Nick Rowsis quote, I've had the chance to

643
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: meet with him and pick his brain over the last

644
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and I'm even more impressed than I

645
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: was before, So I'm guessing there was a lot of conversation.

646
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Speaker 2: There was a deep dive into the performance of the defense,

647
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: a deep dive into this scheme, a projection forward, what

648
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Speaker 2: would you run? Well, what do you like to run?

649
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Speaker 2: Are we you know it's one plus one can equal

650
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: three here when the head coach has an opinion as

651
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Speaker 2: to what sort of defenses he are the toughest to

652
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: go against from his experience, and what are you planning

653
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: to run? Because Michael Lafluor in his opening press conference

654
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: made it known that you know, he works with coaches

655
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball, and they do

656
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: try and help each other in that regard.

657
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: I don't expect to see a complete change of how

658
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: the defense is run. Maybe certain parts of the scheme, sure,

659
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 3: but for the most part, the foundation and the personnel

660
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: is set. You're not gonna be able to completely change

661
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: everybody on one side of the ball, even if you're

662
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: gonna make moves in free agency or the draft. So

663
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that the Cardinals are going to change

664
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: to a four to three and they're not going to

665
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: use a heavy rotation because when you look at the

666
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: players that are on this roster. That's what they were

667
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: brought here to do. Now again, not to say that

668
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 3: the defense is going to look the exact same. I'm

669
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: not sitting here in the middle of February expecting to

670
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: see something completely different than what we have seen the

671
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: last three years.

672
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: By the way, is Darren get some sort of award

673
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: for the yes for the poll of the week? I

674
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: kind of paced this line from your story Acycardinals dot

675
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: com dot com. The last time I knew Cardinals head

676
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: coach kept on the defensive coordinator with their previous staff.

677
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: It worked out, okay. Clancy Pendergast, hired by Dennis Green,

678
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: was DC when Ken wizen led the Cardinals to the

679
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.

680
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 5: I actually had a comment or basically threatened over that.

681
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: Line speaking of Burner accounts, because apparently he was upset

682
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: that I would make such a parallel.

683
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: I don't know.

684
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: It's just a reference to the last time, and there

685
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: was a certain occurrence some.

686
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: People out there, it's Kevin Durantz Burner account.

687
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 4: That's good allegedly, Yeah, I mean, and you remember that

688
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: team Paul like sure now again. Part of it was

689
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: because when wizen Hunt Ken wizen Hunt came in. You

690
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 4: had a defense that had a lot of its pieces

691
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: in place, and you know, for whatever reason, Ken wizen

692
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: Hunt because I don't remember back then, like he made

693
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: the decision to stick with Clancy Pendergas and he was there.

694
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 5: He was there through the Super Bowl.

695
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: Yes he was okay, all right now, So you have

696
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: Nick Rowlis age thirty two. Then you have Nathaniel hack

697
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: At age forty six, his fifth O C gig All.

698
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 5: These people are younger than us.

699
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: Paul two thousand, what what year was it? He was

700
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: the head coach of under twenty two fifteen games. I

701
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: did I lost my spot? Here's my question, Nathaniel Hackett,

702
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: is he the new Jeff Rogers in terms of the

703
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: game situation assistant? Who's going to be in the hip

704
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: pocket of Mike Lafleur. Because last time, if you want

705
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: to poll, the last time that the Cardinals had a

706
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: head coach calling place, Cliff Kingsbury and Jeff Rodgers was

707
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: his shadow on the sideline anytimes there was a big

708
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: game situation decision to be made, time on the clock,

709
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: exercise a time out, go for two, those sort of things.

710
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: You know, Cliff is immersed in the play sheet he's

711
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: calling the offense, boom, he would have his conciliary, Robert Duvall,

712
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: right next to him, and he would confer and they

713
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: would make a joint decision. And I'm wondering if Nathaniel

714
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: Hackett is a former head coach and a guy who's

715
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: had plenty of experience in the league, would be that guy,

716
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: especially for a first time head coach, is gonna be

717
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: calling plays.

718
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: I think there's a good chance of that. I wouldn't

719
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 4: again until until the balance of the coaching staff is named.

720
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: I'm not really out there could be somebody else who's

721
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: a veteran coach that could end up being around, So

722
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: we'll we'll kind of see where that plays out. But yeah,

723
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: if if I'm Mike Lafleur and I'm calling plays, especially

724
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: an offense, that makes a lot of sense to have

725
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 4: your offensive.

726
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 5: Coordinator as somebody who might play that role.

727
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: Well, we know it won't be Cliff Kingsbury because he's

728
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: taking some mysterious role with the Rams offensive staff that

729
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: came out since we recorded last.

730
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 5: Wow, has it been that long already? Goodness?

731
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: Well, it was at long. We didn't we didn't have

732
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 3: work for Friday or Monday, so it's been a it's

733
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: been a long time. Be the office was closed off

734
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: Friday and Monday.

735
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: I am not denying that last time he was in

736
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: LA he sort of had a mysterious role. He was

737
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: consulting to Lincoln Riley with USC So, okay, how about

738
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Michael Gobriel, the special teams coordinator. We already covered that

739
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 2: a little bit. You know, he's overcome his alma mater

740
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: as a former UCLA defensive end, and so it's good

741
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: to see him succeed and overcome the odds despite college experience.

742
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: Quite the first impression.

743
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: It's amazing how much of a you know, fake tough

744
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: guy I am here with Wolf and some of these

745
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: other comments about alma maters here in the sanctity and

746
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: security of the radio studio. I did enjoy his background though,

747
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: looking that he went from head or went from what

748
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: was he the special teams coordinator at Hawaii to Washington State.

749
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: So in one fell swoop you go from Honolulu to Pullman.

750
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: Oh, that's that's tough.

751
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: Hashtag out Speaking.

752
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 4: Of Berkeley, Paul like, how do you feel like? I

753
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: went through it with the great Jaden Daniels. How do

754
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: you how are you looking at Fernando Mendos.

755
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Of these days, I'm trying to own it. I'm trying

756
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: to claim him. It's not going over real well, I

757
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: can't even convince myself that I'm able to claim him.

758
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: The one year he came.

759
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 4: In, I'll be honest, I didn't know about him at

760
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 4: all until he started doing things in Indiana.

761
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you real quick. Let's see here in

762
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: twenty seconds or less. As someone who does watch every

763
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: cow Golden Bear football game. That season started out with anemic,

764
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: horrific offense, including like a fourteen to twelve loss to Auburn,

765
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: and we couldn't generate any And now they got to

766
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: the third quarterback and they pull this third stringer and

767
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: he comes into the game, this tall, skinny kid, and

768
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: starts throwing darts all over the yard. And I get

769
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: up off the couch. Well, where'd this kid come from?

770
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: Why didn't this kid start from day one? It was

771
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza. And then he finished out the rest of

772
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: the year and they made a bowl game. Before the

773
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: bowl game was played, he transferred. He got poached by

774
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: Indiana and Kurt Signetti.

775
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: Well, why wouldn't you just go to Indiana? I mean

776
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 5: that's a football power.

777
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well probably because even Kurt Signetti's headset, which

778
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: fetched on one hundred and twelve thousand dollars.

779
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's paying for someone's nil.

780
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: Deal, is making more than the Cal quarterbacks. So it's

781
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: all you.

782
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 5: Have to admit.

783
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 4: With your with Steve Bartkowski and Aaron Rodgers, you still

784
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 4: have the lead.

785
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: I think Jared Goff Jared Goff Indiana, Yeah, uh, could

786
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: we do quarterbacks?

787
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: You know, Paul, you should have put more into Fernanda

788
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: Mendoza's nil deal to keep met count.

789
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's not my responsibility. That's Lorenzo Alexander find

790
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: Cal Lung. It's his responsibility. So all right, So there's

791
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: the coordinators, there's the press conference that's coming up. Do

792
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: these hires mean anything for the roster? I don't want

793
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: to go all existential here or anything, but do these

794
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: particular hires say anything about the roster that's about to

795
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: be constructed or and or fine.

796
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: Tuned to a certain extent, the Hackett hire as OC,

797
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 3: not so much as lafloor as the head coach, because

798
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: Laflora is calling plays. This is going to be his offense.

799
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: Not to say that Hackett won't have a role and

800
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: isn't going to help the offense progress by any means.

801
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: But I don't see that hire as something that's going

802
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: to affect mostly free agency. If that's where you're really

803
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: talking about of players maybe wanting to come here or

804
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: how they're going to configure things. The foundation has been

805
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: set for this roster. I mean it was three years

806
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: ago when Awesome for It was making the decisions of

807
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: who is the right fit on and off the field

808
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: to that foundation is there, So I don't expect to

809
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: see an insane amount of turnover. I mean, that's what

810
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: we heard from Michaeh Bidwell. He's not looking for this

811
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 3: to be some sort of multi year turnover. He's looking

812
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: for something very quick. So I don't expect a lot

813
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: of massive roster turnover. I'm sure those were conversations with

814
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: all of these interviews of this is who we have,

815
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: how do you see us creating success? I do think

816
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: that Nick Rollis retention is very interesting. If there is

817
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: a defense a free agent, whether or not he felt

818
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: strongly one way or the other, could absolutely factor in

819
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: if he has multiple options, whether or not Arizona's the

820
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: landing spot.

821
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: I will say, I'm guessing, I'm surmising, speculating that in

822
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: hiring newcomers, there was even more emphasis than ever on

823
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: player development, on teaching, on finding position coaches who they

824
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: feel like really know their craft and really can teach

825
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: it at a high level, especially to young players.

826
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: So here's my question on that, because it's been brought

827
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 4: up by a couple of people to me, and it's

828
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 4: fair question, and I'll be honest, I don't know the

829
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: newer coaches or whatever, but if we're talking about teaching coaches,

830
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 4: is it possible that you come out ahead if you

831
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: hire somebody from college rather than the pros for that

832
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: part of it.

833
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely not that the Cardinals haven't hired some college coaches

834
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: over recent history.

835
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: People keep talking about that.

836
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, absolutely, I mean, you know, reportedly there's a

837
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: couple of position coaches coming from the U from Miami. Well,

838
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: if there's a track record of year after year of

839
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: three star recruits end up being first, second, third round

840
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 2: draft picks, right, if the development is there taking these

841
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: young players and turning them into highly drafted professionals and

842
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: there's long track record, then to your point, Drein, yes,

843
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: I would say that's something that in particular probably got

844
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: Mani as Sin Sport's attention. If he is stressing more

845
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: than a player development, and that's one of the reasons

846
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 2: you've seen a significant amount of change this offseason, then yes,

847
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: you're going to put an emphasis and the new coaches

848
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: that come in, you know and look just like players,

849
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: no players, coaches, no coaches they know in the industry,

850
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: who has that reputation for really developing players, getting the

851
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: most out of that talent, you know, establishing that foundation

852
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: of fundamentals. So I'm guessing that's I'm just guessing every

853
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: single hire as that is one of the strengths on

854
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: their resume, at least in terms of reputation of what

855
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: they're known for around the industry. Now we'll see it's

856
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: always and ultimately up to the player, the talent, the

857
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: work they want to put in, you know, how they develop.

858
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: And like that's one thing about Michael Wilson that I

859
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys noticed, but like every single

860
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: person I talked to on and off the record about

861
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson raved about his work ethic. Yep, he is

862
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: top three in that locker room in terms of effort

863
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: in commitment made to getting better identifying things every off season,

864
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: whether he thought he was too much of a body

865
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: catcher as a rookie, to being a refining his routes,

866
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: to you know, blocking which got him on the field

867
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: right away as a rookie. You know all the above.

868
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: So you know, ultimately, and I think, if nothing else,

869
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: the enthusiasm that you're going to get with you know,

870
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: a thirty eight year old head coach and Michae Laflor

871
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: soon to be thirty nine, and a thirty seven year

872
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: old special teams coordinator who's known for his infectious energy.

873
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: You know, hopefully it has a bit of a trickle

874
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: down effect.

875
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: I won if they're going to listen to getting culture

876
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: since they're so young, they're already cultured properly.

877
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 5: That's a good point. It's right.

878
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: They don't need to be coached up like a couple

879
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: of old old heads over here. Wasn't that the comment

880
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: about Devin Booker His team won the All Star Game

881
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of early twenty somethings and twenty nine year

882
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: old deep book book and they called him it was

883
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: like the young'ins and the old head at.

884
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: Old Yeah that stuff. Yeah, that's stuff too. Okay, I can.

885
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: It's one of the few things we can relate to

886
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: Devin Booker about. You know, No, no, that's not even

887
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: that he also cars.

888
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 5: That's true, Yeah, that's he you relate to him more

889
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 5: about the car.

890
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: Well, those are actually similar in more ways than one, Paul.

891
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, is let's just say his cars costs a lot

892
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: more to register than my cars. Let's just put it

893
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: that way. Franchise tags, speaking of building this roster? Uh,

894
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: do I really want to know the answer to this.

895
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: I try not to get into the weeds of the

896
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: franchise tag. Can you just summarize it to someone, because

897
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: this is where I tend to sort of nod off.

898
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 5: Are you talking about in general or cardinals?

899
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: Well?

900
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: Just yeah, I mean, what are we thinking here?

901
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: We're not thinking anything for the cardinal. Cardinals aren't going

902
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: to use a franchise tag. Franchise tags are used for

903
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: unrestricted free agents to be Uh. I'm not going to

904
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: get into all the details, but if you if you

905
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: tag a guy, usually the tag that's used the most

906
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: is an average of the top ten salaries at that

907
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 4: position from the previous year, and then that's what the

908
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: guy salary is. He signs his tender offer and then

909
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: it's a one year contract. And basically, if you sign

910
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 4: as a free agent, the team that signs you away

911
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: would have to give up two first round picks. So

912
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: basically it freezes the player in place. But if a

913
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 4: guy is tagged and he doesn't sign his contract, he's

914
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 4: not under contract either, so he doesn't need to show

915
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 4: up to anything. He could sit out and training camp,

916
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: all these things. It's oftentimes it's a game of chicken

917
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: because the player is going to want a long term

918
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 4: deal and be a free agent and the team doesn't

919
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 4: want to let him be that way.

920
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: Why is it seemingly used less than ever these days.

921
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of reasons for that. I

922
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: think because of salaries. I think the tag is for

923
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 4: a lot of players it's grown more than they want

924
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: to pay. I think most teams of the guys they

925
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 4: really really want to keep, are smart enough to extend

926
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: them before they get to free agency. So a lot

927
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 4: of the guys that hit unrestricted free agency these days,

928
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: the vast majority of them are that next level down.

929
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 5: Maybe not the absence.

930
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: They could be a core piece, but they're not like,

931
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 4: oh my god, like if we lost them, we're all

932
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 4: going to heck. So I think that's a big part

933
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 4: of it. So you're having as a team, you're battling

934
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: whether it's worth. Last year is a great example, the

935
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: Bengals tagged t Higgins. Now T Higgins is a very

936
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 4: good wide receiver, but he's not even the best receiver

937
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: on that team, and you're having to pay him like

938
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: he's one of the best ten receivers in the league

939
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 4: when he's not. Those are the things you got to

940
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: figure out. Now, they worked out a long term deal

941
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: with him. It worked out okay. The times the Cardinals

942
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 4: have used it, usually it's a placeholder to buy a

943
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: little time to get the extension. They did it with

944
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 4: I think they did it with True No, I think

945
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 4: they they signed Trey before they got to the tag.

946
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 4: But like I remember, they did it with I want

947
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 4: to say, they did it with Kalais once and it

948
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: wasn't like they did it with Khalais and he had

949
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: his extension by May. They tagged him in March. They

950
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: he extended by May, so it just bought them a

951
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: few weeks to make sure he didn't go to the market.

952
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: But for the most part, that's what it's about.

953
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty five, Trey McBride got a contract extension,

954
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, James Connor. I'm forgetting one other player along

955
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: the Yelda.

956
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: Yelda and Collins during training camp.

957
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: Yep, okay, good. So now between now and the start

958
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: of this season, Michael Wilson on the radar.

959
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 3: I mean maybe Paris Johnson.

960
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: Now, the thing about Paris is, because he's a first

961
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: round pick, they're probably gonna invoke the fifth They're going

962
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 4: to invoke the fifth year option if he's not extending

963
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 4: no matter what. Now, you can still extend him, but

964
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: because he's a first round pick, they can make his

965
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: contract go from twenty six to twenty seven, so he

966
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: still would have two years left, so you're buying significant time. Now,

967
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 4: I'm guessing Paris is going to push pretty hard for

968
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: an extension this offseason. I would think you'd want to

969
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: get Michael Wilson under an extension because you don't want

970
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: to go into next year thinking he could be a

971
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: free agent and having to tag him. So those are

972
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: the two guys that automatically come into my head immediately.

973
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 4: Now there's other guys, like what happens with Jalen Thompson.

974
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: I think it felt like Jalen is good with what

975
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 4: ended up happening. If he hits the open market, fine whatever.

976
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 4: I don't know what the team is planning on it,

977
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 4: but we know that they drafted Robert Robert Taylor Demerson

978
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: to play safety. They've got some other guys, Garrett Williams,

979
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 4: They've got a lot of defensive backs at this point

980
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 4: where if they needed it to move and shift around,

981
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: if Jalen Thompson wasn't around, they can do that.

982
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson Senior signed a three year deal free agency

983
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, so he's going into a contract year. Yes,

984
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: I would say he's on the radar.

985
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say doubt it.

986
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: But I'm again party issue right now. And this is

987
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 4: why the Kyler piece is such a big domino, because

988
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: it's funny, like I think right now, I think the

989
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: Cardinals are scheduled to have around forty million dollars in

990
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: cap space. Well, in today's day and age, that space

991
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 4: gets eaten up pretty quickly if you sign a couple

992
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: of free agents, and again, you can always move stuff around.

993
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back to what I said earlier. Cap

994
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 4: space is not something that stops you from doing something.

995
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 4: But I think they'll be smart about stuff, and I

996
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 4: think they'll prioritize some stuff. And if you know, would

997
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 4: Mac be now, would Mac be later? Would Mac be

998
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: right before training camp? Could Mac be during the season.

999
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 4: I think all those things would be on the on

1000
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: the table right now.

1001
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up something that was advanced by

1002
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: NFL dot Com to start this week. They threw out

1003
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: their notable cut candidates from the AFC and NFC, and

1004
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of players listed and the Cardinals that

1005
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: have made this list on NFL dot com James Connor

1006
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: and then Dalvin Tomlinson or Ball Nichols. Those are the

1007
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: three players that appear in NFL dot com as potential

1008
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 2: cut candidates. James Connor, gonna turn thirty one in May,

1009
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: would free up about seven point five million if released

1010
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: this offseason, according to their math, and then you have

1011
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: Blall Nichols after missing all the games the last couple

1012
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: of years, and then Dalvin Tomlinson, which would create anywhere

1013
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: from ten to fourteen and a half million as a

1014
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: post tune first designation.

1015
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: There's a lot of question marks and running back is

1016
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: an interesting room because I mean, we we know what

1017
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: James Connor can be and is to this team, to

1018
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 3: this offense. He is the heart and salt. We talked

1019
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: about that majority of last season because he missed most

1020
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: of last year with that gnarly inkle injury, and how

1021
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: Trey McBride was stepping up to be that sort of

1022
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: player on the offense. What is he going to look

1023
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: like coming back from that kind of injury. There are

1024
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: reports that the Cardinals have made a change at running

1025
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: backs for a position coach, So will what will that

1026
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: coach envision? And then Mike Laflorn his offense and what

1027
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: will he envision? And there's also question marks around Trey Benson.

1028
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: This isn't a situation where you know, Benson is going

1029
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: into year three and has really shined in all of

1030
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: his opportunities and has carried the ball a lot of times,

1031
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: because Benson has been pretty significantly injured in his first

1032
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: two years. So this isn't a situation where it's so

1033
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 3: easy to say, you know what, it's time to move

1034
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 3: on from Connor. Benson is the future. There's still question

1035
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: marks there. Now there's a handful of some top notch

1036
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: running back free agents, so that is an option there

1037
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 3: when you look into the defense, I mean defensive line

1038
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: is a room that's going to have to be looked

1039
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: at with a fine tooth calm. I mean that was

1040
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: not a super strength of this defense. And you've got

1041
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: players who could possibly be free agents or retire like

1042
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: Kalais Campbell, who was one of the most effective. You

1043
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: got walternle in the third who got injured at the

1044
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: end of the year. He started the year injured and

1045
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: then end of the year injured, And what is his

1046
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: rehab going to look like and how early will he

1047
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: be able to play and how effective will he be?

1048
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: What are you going to get out of someone like

1049
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: Darius Robinson? Right, So there are question marks and if

1050
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: you're going to be looking, it's okay, well let's look

1051
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: and see because availability is the best ability. And Bilon

1052
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: Nichols has not been available as an Arizona Cardinals. So

1053
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of decisions that are going to have

1054
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: to come into play. And I think when the defensive

1055
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: line specifically, you're going to have to work essentially backwards

1056
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: of working down the timeline of someone like Nolan and

1057
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: then trying to figure out where you need to fill

1058
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: the pieces.

1059
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: That's where the Rawless hire becomes most intriguing to me,

1060
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 4: because oftentimes when you get a new coach, there's the

1061
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 4: new coordinator and then I never I didn't see this

1062
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: as being any kind of necessarily full tear down. But

1063
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: you're going to get player change. You just always do

1064
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: because of one reason or another, And so I do

1065
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: expect some roster manipulation at this point. But with Roless

1066
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 4: still in place, how much does that change how guys

1067
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 4: are seen?

1068
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to Danny's point about Trey Benson, don't know

1069
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: the future of James Connor, but have we seen flashes.

1070
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: Sure could he blossom in year three, absolutely, but you

1071
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: better have a backup plan. They're better, you know, or

1072
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: two or three Cardinals ended up using running back five

1073
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: and six well last year, So.

1074
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: That, to me, that only helps the James Connor argument

1075
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: that you want to keep him around. Also the fact

1076
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: that he was so good in the transition from Cliff

1077
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 4: Kingsbury to uh Jonathan Gannon in terms of like being

1078
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: positive about what was incoming, and he can he can

1079
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 4: really help swayl locker room. I wanted to mention real quick.

1080
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: Almost sent this over to me. Another example franchise tag.

1081
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 4: They tagged Chandler Jones in twenty seventeen. Uh and he

1082
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 4: only had the tag for like a month and then

1083
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: they got that extension done.

1084
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Speaker 2: Okay, uh so, uh what do you think? Where does

1085
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: Darren rank in the power poll?

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00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a good list or a bad list.

1087
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: Of participants to be in Cardinals Climb.

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00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: He's got a long legs, yep.

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00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: And you know he's a veteran of the Tilman Run

1090
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 2: since the since day one of the Tilman event. He's

1091
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: very yep.

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00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 3: And you know I mean bu State Farm Stadium.

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00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna take two steps at a time. He's got

1094
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: a competitive advantage. That's what's gonna happen.

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00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 3: We should record that. And Darre and I have to

1096
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: go from point A to point B and how many

1097
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: more steps does it take for me to get there?

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00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: That would be good. Can you have one of the

1099
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: step markers? You both do the same distance. But but

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00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: Danny steps or twice as many as Darren's.

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00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 5: I don't think I have that much flexibility.

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00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: Any Yeah, okay, all right, Darren, are you you know,

1103
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: did you enter like the the elite or advance group?

1104
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Like is there like a competitive group versus like.

1105
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 5: There's like three different trails. I did.

1106
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 4: I guess the most advanced trail, but I don't know anything.

1107
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: I just I don't know where that goes or what

1108
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: exactly it means, but it'll be it'll be a good time.

1109
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 4: And obviously raising money for those with special needs. I

1110
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 4: think it's a big deal to this organization and to

1111
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: a lot of people I happen to help MC an

1112
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 4: event with Kurt Warner last week and him talking about

1113
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: Treasure House and special needs and Kurt so, I mean,

1114
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 4: he's probably given the speech a million times, but him

1115
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: talking about his son and understanding that when his son

1116
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 4: got to a certain age because he has some issues

1117
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 4: after a childhood injury, that his son couldn't be all

1118
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 4: He could be living in the house with him and Brenda,

1119
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: and they had to find a way to get him

1120
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 4: out and to be able to live on his own,

1121
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 4: to really live the life that he could live. And

1122
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 4: then creating Treasure House, which is one of the beneficiaries

1123
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 4: of Cardinals Climb. It's just a fantastic story. And there's

1124
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 4: so many, I mean, we all know, like examples of

1125
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 4: those with special needs, of children of people we work with.

1126
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: So it's a big deal. It's a big week this week.

1127
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 4: The Cardinals have the climb on Saturday. They're breaking ground

1128
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 4: on a new practice facility. Thursday, we're podcasting Tuesday.

1129
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: What does somebody wear to a groundbreaking you know, asking

1130
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: for a friend, you know, sneakers, yeah, boots, you know,

1131
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: hard hat?

1132
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 5: Hey we could?

1133
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 4: I still have my hard hat from the state final

1134
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 4: stadium tour that I took him two thousand and four.

1135
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 5: Whatever.

1136
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: I got to dig deep into the garage. Hard hat

1137
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: in there somewhere.

1138
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 5: We wow, impress.

1139
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting. By the way, if Darren gets a little

1140
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: too haughty, you know, with the whole climb and all that,

1141
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: we've got a we got a kid. He's a ringer

1142
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: by the name of Reese and nutrition Services works with

1143
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: the corn. We see him every day at lunch and

1144
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: he runs ultra marathon. So if Darren needs to be putting,

1145
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: Reese is going to come out and uh, you know,

1146
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: throwing some running shoes and leave Darren in the dust.

1147
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: So just just to make sure he stays humble. All right,

1148
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: here we go. It's the rest of the week is

1149
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: ahead of us.

1150
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 4: How many how many mock drafts do you do, Paul, Like,

1151
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 4: I know we were talking about what we do.

1152
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 5: Have you ever done? Do you do? Mock draft is here?

1153
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: Years ago?

1154
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: For you guys like coerse me it was it was

1155
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: poly peer pressure. I got coerced into doing some of

1156
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 2: those mock drafts and you actually and I did one

1157
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: and I did one only and uh, you know it

1158
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 2: was abnormally ridiculous returns, Like there's no way whatever been feasible.

1159
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1160
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: Somehow are you trying to say you drafted awesome, but

1161
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 4: you don't want to brag about it, so you're gonna

1162
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 4: humble brag about it.

1163
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 2: And it with like the equivalent of three first round picks.

1164
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: It like made no sense because I kept trading down

1165
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: and then it gave me this inornate return. What is

1166
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: the margin of error in these simulators come on.

1167
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: Except trades that it doesn't deem realistic? Paul, I waited

1168
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: it out, scam a team on a mock draft.

1169
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: I gained the system, you know, I gained you know,

1170
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: I mean it was the early ages of AI. I

1171
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: just beat I beat it at zelkell, I can't spell.

1172
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: I do have a question, is there is there any

1173
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 3: sort of update on the power pole of incompetence or

1174
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: the list of sports people were over. What was that

1175
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: one officially.

1176
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: Titled, Well, it's the it's the sports people were so

1177
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: done with, We're so done with. Yeah. So, I mean

1178
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: the Olympics are going on. The quad God was getting

1179
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: close and then he's sort of eliminated himself. Other No, Danny,

1180
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, there hasn't been anything. I don't I don't

1181
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: like to force it. It has to be organic, and

1182
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: you know, it has to has to be a you know,

1183
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: a burr under the South.

1184
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 5: He's got to be mad for real.

1185
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 2: It's well, you know, I mean, anytime the NBA All

1186
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: Star Game rolls around and Lebron stolen the team, that's

1187
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: you know, let's be honest on that one. You know,

1188
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: just the slam dunk contest, the absolute circus charade that is.

1189
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 4: He picks the one athlete who's actually somewhat close to

1190
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 4: us in age.

1191
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, now, go to keep it real,

1192
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,360
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