1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway now. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: You wrote also you co wrote with Janet Jackson. I 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: want you. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: How was it working with Janey in the studio? We 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: actually wrote that without her in the studio. Okay, it 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: was me, Harold, Lily, Kanye. We wrote it and then 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: submitted it to her and she loved it. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: Wow. Man, what's that? What's that like? John? What's that like? Like? 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 3: We grew up with the Jackson, We grew up with Michael. 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: We grew all up. 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, obviously Michael has been Janet all of the 12 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: LaToya had her own thing, Jammayine did his own thing, 13 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: but we mainly know Michael and Janet. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: And I had a crush on Janet. You had to 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: crush on Peeni. If you asked me whom I like 16 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: childhood crush was, it was Janet. 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Y Yeah, So what so what's it like? 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question. 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: So, like when you go do artists reach out to 20 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: you or do when you write and says, you know what, 21 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: I think this, I think this would be great for her. 22 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of there's a whole bevy of 23 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: songwriters and producers who aren't on the mic but they're 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: behind a lot of the music that you love. So 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: a lot of artists work with songwriters. They get submissions 26 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: from songwriters. Sometimes they collaborate with you in the room, 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: but sometimes they just take submissions and their an R 28 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: or their producer is helping them listen to those songs 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: and decide whether they or not it's going to work 30 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: for them. So there's a lot of people who are 31 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: professionally just cranking out songs and submitting them to artists. 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: Sometimes artists will do a camp so they'll say, I'm 33 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: going to bring all the songwriters and producers I like 34 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: to work with that I have a track record with, 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: or that I love their work. I'm going to bring 36 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: them all to Jamaica, the Bahamas or whatever, and we're 37 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: going to camp out for a week or two and 38 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: just write with the goal of producing enough songs that 39 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: will go on my next album. So, one way or another, 40 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: artists are trying to get material, and a lot of 41 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: times it's professional songwriters, people you may not have heard of, 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: but that are behind the scenes involved in a lot 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: of making of these songs. 44 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: Is it hard to write like that when you go 45 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: for a specific reason, like you get invited to this 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: place and you mentioned this camp. So we're going for 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: a week or two or is it easier just supportant 48 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: to come naturally. 49 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: Well, I don't do that, so you'd have to ask them. 50 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: But I imagine sometimes it's easier to write when you have. 51 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: A specific goal in mind. 52 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so when you're in a camp, you know the 53 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: artist you're writing for. 54 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 3: The artist is usually there. 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: They're providing kind of creative direction and spiritual guidance, you 56 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: know of where their head is and what they want 57 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: to say on their album. And so I think it's 58 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: easier for me to write when I have an assignment 59 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: then when it's just open ended. And so I'd rather 60 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: have some sense of like, I know who I'm writing for, 61 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: I have some direction rather than just write. 62 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: Right, didn't you write a song with Mike? 63 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: We wrote a song Me and will I Am wrote 64 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: a song for Mike that never came out. Yeah, So 65 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: you know that was back in those days when I 66 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: was hustling just trying to get on records, and you know, 67 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: I work with different producers and they're like, yeah, we're 68 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: trying to get on Mike's new album, right, Janet's new 69 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: album or or Jay's new album and work with me 70 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: on this, and sometimes it worked out, sometimes it didn't. 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: But that's the life of a songwriter. Like, if that's 72 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: your job, A lot of the songs you make will 73 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: not come out. A lot of the ideas you generate 74 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: may never see the lot of day. 75 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: But when you're writing, you just hope you can get 76 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: that get one or two. You get one or two, 77 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: that's your end. And then people like, well, I want 78 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: to go to that guy that wrote this, so I 79 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: want to go to the woman that wrote exactly. 80 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: And even with myself, I will often write a bunch 81 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: of songs for myself or with other people for myself 82 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: that don't make my album. So I got a bunch 83 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: of like lots of like dozens and dozens of songs 84 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: that may never be heard by anybody other than the 85 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: people that made it. 86 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: What about is that something that you'd be willing to like? Okay, 87 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: it didn't make my album. I don't think it's right 88 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: for me, but it might be right for. 89 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: You sometimes sometimes, but often I feel like if it's 90 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: written for a male singer and it didn't make my album, 91 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: there's not a great chance that it's the best of 92 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: the best, and oftentimes I don't feel like it's marketable 93 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: to other artists. Sometimes it's just not the right feel 94 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: for me, and maybe it would be the right feel 95 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: for another artist, But a lot of times I'm. 96 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: Just like it. 97 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: Well, if I don't want it, then why should say? 98 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: Why should they want it? But you are you was 99 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: working with Nipsey Hustle. You want to gramb it for 100 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: hire with DJ Kelly? Yeah, So what was it? What 101 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: was it like working? So let me ask you a question. 102 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: Your artists when you go into the studio, and whomever 103 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: it is, they don't have to be anybody in particular. 104 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: So what what's John Legend's goal when he goes into 105 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: the studio with an artist. 106 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: I just want to make the record amazing. So I 107 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: want to make it something that I'm proud of that 108 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: will uh make history. 109 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: I want my legacy to be my records, And so 110 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: every time I go in there, I'm going in with 111 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: that goal. I'm making something special, life changing, legacy building. 112 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: And with College, people always ask. 113 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: Me what does college actually do? Do this? 114 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: But part of what he does that's so important is 115 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: he brings all these different artists together. 116 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: He has a great year. 117 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: And he is able to bring the right beat with 118 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: the right artists, with the right rapper, with the right singer, 119 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: put it all together and make a record. And that's 120 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: not a simple thing to do because if everybody could 121 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 2: do it, they would be doing it correct. 122 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: But he's doing it. 123 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: So he is great at connecting people, bringing things together, 124 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: hearing a beat and be like, I can hear Nipsey 125 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: on this one, I can hear Hole on this one, 126 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: I could. 127 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: Hear Drake on this one. 128 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: Bringing those people together, having the relationships with them and 129 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: bringing them together to make the record happen. That's not 130 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: an easy thing to do, and that's what Colin does. 131 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: And so he's brought me in on a bunch of records. 132 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: And it's funny he won his first Grammy with that record. 133 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: So this record we made together higher with Nipsey. We 134 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: won the Grammy after Nipsey passed. And what's wild about 135 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: it for me and Colin is the first song we 136 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: did together was a song called Grammy Family. And we 137 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: made a song called Grammy Family before long before he 138 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: ever had a Grammy. And then many years later I 139 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: helped him win his first Grammy. So that was pretty cool. 140 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: Who hasn't John Legend worked that he would like to. 141 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: Work Honestly, I get this question. I'm like, I'm trying 142 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: to find names. Like I've said Beyonce before, which is true, 143 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: I'd love to work with her Dale. What about a Dale? 144 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: I've said that too. That's funny you said that. So 145 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: I've said both of those names. And then a lot 146 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: of people I would like to work with I have 147 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: worked with, so you know, I've been fortunate, man. I 148 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: worked with legends like Stevie Wonder, Quincy Jones, Tony Bennett, 149 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: Al Green, and then a lot of my peers in 150 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: R and B and hip hop, pop, K pop, like 151 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: all over the place. I've worked with a lot of 152 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: different people, and I love it. I love collaborating. 153 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: When you talk about Stevie, yeah, Legend, Quincy Jones, yeah, Legend. 154 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: Are you nervous? You know? The first time I met Steve, 155 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: I was a little nervous. 156 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: It was because he's a prodigy like you, Yes, And 157 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: you know, I like, if there's any artists that are 158 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: the biggest influences in my life and the music that 159 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: I make, Stevie Marvin those are like two of them. 160 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: And so I knew his catalog backwards and forwards, like 161 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: he meant so much to my life. And the first 162 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: time we meet, we're about to rehearse together for the 163 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: BET Awards in two thousand and five, so ordinary people, 164 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: like I said, my first big signature song that really 165 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: was a genuine hit, and I was about to get 166 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: honored at the BET Awards. And Stephen Hill, the guy 167 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: who used to produce the BT Awards, he said, I 168 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: want you and Stevie to do a mashup of ordinary 169 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: people and my Sharia Moore. 170 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: And people may not know, but the take it slow. 171 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: Oh that part of the song has the same chord 172 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: structure as la la la la la la la la 173 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: la la la la la. 174 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: From My Sharia Moore. 175 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: And so Stephen heard that and knew it and was like, 176 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: y'all should do it together. And so my first time 177 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: meeting Stevie was singing My Sharia Moore as a mashup 178 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: with ordinary people at the BET Awards. So we rehearsed it, 179 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: and I was nervous and rehearsal, but you know, here 180 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: I am with Stevie Wonder and I'm just trying to 181 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: make sure we do it right and everything like that. 182 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: But I was definitely like, yo, pinch me. I'm like 183 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: in a room with somebody I've been looking up to 184 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: my whole life. What about when you met Quincy Jones? 185 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: When I met Quincy, Well, this is a wild story. 186 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: I've never told this story now. The first time I 187 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: spoke to Quincy, I was getting reprimanded. 188 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 3: Wow, what'd you do? I didn't do it. It wasn't 189 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: my fault. Let's take a drink. 190 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: Birth So after or any people blows up, Oprah is 191 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: planning a thing called the Legends Ball, uh, where she 192 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: was going to honor all the black women that meant 193 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: a lot to her. So she had like Areta Rosa Parks, 194 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Diane Carroll, Sisily Tyson, I think Tony Morris and like 195 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: all these like just. 196 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: Like the who's who of the Legends exactly. 197 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: She called it the Legends Ball and she was planning 198 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: this Legends Ball and she I got a call from 199 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: my agent and they were like. 200 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: Oprah Winfrey wants to call you, and I'm like, okay, cool. 201 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: I was excited. 202 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: So Oprah calls me up, John, I'm planning this thing 203 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: called the Legends Ball. And by the way, in my show, 204 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: I always say I'm glad I changed my name to 205 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: John Legend because otherwise I wouldn't have been invited to 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: the Lady Ball. But she calls me up asked me 207 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: to play at this event for the luncheon during the day, 208 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: and I believe we had the same agency at the time, 209 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: and she was like, I'll talk to your agents and 210 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: work it all out. And apparently my agency was like 211 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: decided they were going to ask for everything from Oprah 212 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: and like make it like it wasn't an honor and 213 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: a privilege for me to be at this event. And 214 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: you know, she was still doing her talk show at 215 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: the time, and if you appeared on her talk. 216 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: Show, it could change your life. 217 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: And so they were trying to like do all this 218 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: negotiation and play hardball with Oprah for me to come 219 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: and sing at this event, when I would have done 220 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: it for free. I would have been had paid my 221 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: own way to go, exactly, I would have paid my 222 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: own way to go. 223 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 3: All of that. 224 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: So it comes back to my team that Oprah was 225 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: a little put off by the way my agency was 226 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: playing heartball with her. 227 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 3: And somehow Quincy got winded there. Oh oh, I think. 228 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: She called Quincy once she's friends with Quincy, and I'm 229 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: friends with him now, I'm friends of Oprah now, so 230 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: we're all good. 231 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: But at the time she's like, who, what's going on? 232 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: And Quincy calls me up, like, man, you need to 233 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: talk to your people because whatever they're doing representing you, like, 234 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: it's not a. 235 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: Good representation, it's not a good look. You're messing up 236 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: your relationship with somebody who is, you know, obviously could 237 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: be very helpful in your career. 238 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 3: And why like. 239 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: Because you're trying to get a little extra money and 240 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: not thinking about the big picture. 241 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: And I was so embarrassed. Man, the first time I 242 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: talked to Quincy Jones, is him reprimanding me because my 243 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: agent was trying to play hardball with Oprah? And so 244 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: but he's being an agent. Yeah, he's being an agent. 245 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: But like, when people are representing you, they're representing you, correct, 246 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: And that's why you got to be careful about who 247 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: you let present you correct. 248 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: And so you know, I learned that lesson. 249 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: And also like I knew, like it was an honor 250 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: to play this event, and if he was representing me, 251 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: really he would have known that I would have been 252 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: honored to play this event, and he didn't need to 253 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: play hardball in this situation. There are times when you 254 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: should play hardball, and there's other times when the opportunity 255 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: is enough where you don't need to get paid cash. 256 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: For it, or you don't need something in return. The 257 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: opportunity is enough, right. It is All of Me the 258 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: greatest song you've ever written. I don't know, I think 259 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: you know. A lot of people say all of me. 260 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: Some people say ordinary people. 261 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: I actually like ordinary people a little bit more as 262 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,239 Speaker 2: a song personally, And but part of it's just sentimental 263 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: because it was so early in my career and it 264 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: meant so much to me even being where I am 265 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: now that it's hard for me to imagine my career 266 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: without it. 267 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: And it laid the foundation for all. 268 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: Of Me to work because once people understood that, you know, 269 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: man John Legend, he gonna sit down. 270 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: And ordinary people created let yeah exactly. 271 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: It really like it's set the tame for everything else 272 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: to happen after that. But All of Me by far 273 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: is the biggest song, yes of my career. It's one 274 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: of the most popular songs like literally of all time, 275 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: like when it comes to streaming, when it comes to 276 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: all the. 277 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: Soul, forty million Records worldwide. It's for its diamond, fourteen 278 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: times platinum, All of Me to Throne for Real, Williams 279 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: Happy on the Billboard Hot one hut. 280 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: It's my only number one on the Hot one hundred 281 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: and it's truly still the number one song if you 282 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: go to my you know, any of the streaming platforms, 283 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: it's the number one song that's played because it still 284 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 2: means a lot of people, and they still play it 285 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: at their weddings and their anniversaries and whenever they want 286 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: to dedicate something to somebody they loved all of Me, right, 287 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: they'll go. 288 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: To because you told a story that you wrote that 289 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: song for Christy. Yeah at the forgive Me because but 290 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: I was I was hoping. I was like, man, if 291 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: I ever, hopefully I can recall all the stories that 292 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: he's telling because they're so good, and like I'm saying, 293 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that people will know this if 294 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: they haven't haven't gone to a show, and I know 295 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: they're not going to have to recall that I'm able 296 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: to recall. 297 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: But you wrote this story all of Me for Chrissy. 298 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: Tell me what the thought process, What was going through 299 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: your mind when you're like, I want to write a 300 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: song for my wife. 301 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: Well, I was writing for my fiance at the time, 302 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: and honestly, during that time, I'm like thinking about the 303 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: fact that we're going to get married, and I wanted 304 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: to write a song dedicated to her. And one day 305 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: my manager sent me this Billy Joe's song called She's 306 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: Always a Woman, and she was like, you should write 307 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: a song like that for Chrissy, and I was like, 308 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: you're right, and I just started really just thinking about 309 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: our relationship and what she means to me and. 310 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: What makes our relationship special. 311 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: And you know, like I told you before, like some 312 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: part of what makes our relationship special is that we're 313 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: not exactly a life. Yes, and there's like a push 314 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: and pull and a yin and yang situation, and the 315 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: fact that we compliment each other really well, and really 316 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: all of me was born out of that idea that 317 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: it's like you're my end and my beginning. 318 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: Even when I lose, I'm winning. 319 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: It's like a lot of push and pool in the 320 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: lyric and those perfect imperfection. 321 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and a lot of it it's like about 322 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: things that are kind of opposites coming together, and I 323 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: think that's what makes it work is people see their 324 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: own relationship in the song, and it came from a 325 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: really honest place about my own And I always tell songwriters, 326 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: part of what you have to do is be very 327 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: personal but also be very universal at the same time. 328 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: And so like, the songs that really land are the 329 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: ones that come from such a real, honest place, yes, 330 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: very specific, yes, but also have this universal appeal and 331 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: applicability to everybody else's life. And so that's my best 332 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: songs are the ones that have that personal side, specific side, 333 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: but also are universal, right, love your curves and all 334 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: your ages, all your perfect imperfection. Yeah, yeah, And I 335 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: think anytime you're with somebody for a long time, you 336 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: see everything, Yes, And that's the whole idea of the 337 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: song is like you see everything and nobody's perfect all 338 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: the time. Everybody's got moments when they're not at their best, 339 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: and when you are able to see that and still 340 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: love that person, that's when you know you that's the 341 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: right place. 342 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: Yes. 343 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of like I've asked artists before, like give 344 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: me your favorite songs, and they say, well, it's kind 345 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: of like kids, I don't have a favorite. 346 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: But you do. You absolutely. 347 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: I think a lot of times for artists, a lot 348 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: of it is about the place you were in your 349 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: life during that time. So that one's always gonna be 350 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: special because it was right before we got married, and 351 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: the first time I sang it in front of an 352 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: audience was at our wedding. Yes, and so it's always 353 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: going to mean that to me. We filmed the video 354 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: at the place where we got married the week of 355 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: the of the of the wedding. The same guy who 356 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: introduced us filmed the video hit. 357 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: The same director that made that very first video, Nobelle Elderkin, 358 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: he directed the All of Me video two, and we 359 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: did it in the place where we fell in love. 360 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: So it's always gonna be super meaningful to me because 361 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: of that. Prior to you singing the song, has she 362 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: ever heard it? 363 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: She heard it the first time at home. I was like, 364 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: really proud of it, and I've never done this before, 365 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: and I've never done it since. 366 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 3: I came home and sang it to her in her ear, 367 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: like literally. 368 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: Like as we were about to go to bed, I 369 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: sang her this song. 370 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: I was like, I love this song. I wrote this 371 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: for you, and she started crying. 372 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: I was about that she had you, she had you, 373 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: and I've never done that since or before, so I 374 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: knew something was special about it. And one of the 375 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: things about writing a hit song, like the problem is 376 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: as a songwriter, you're excited whenever you finished the song, 377 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: even if it's a it don't even end up making 378 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: the album. So sometimes it's hard for me to distinguish 379 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: between me being excited that I finished it and it 380 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: actually being one of my greater songs. And so sometimes 381 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: you need a little time, You need to play it 382 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: for other people before you actually know, oh this is 383 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: the one. 384 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: But I loved it and I felt like it was 385 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: special that day. 386 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: But like I said, I fall in love with all 387 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: my songs when I first write them, So the more 388 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: I would play it for other people, I'm like, played 389 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 2: it for Frank Ocean, He's like, oh my god, this 390 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: one special. 391 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 3: Played it for Kanye He's like, oh my god, that 392 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 3: one special. 393 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: And like I played it for all these different people 394 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: in my life, people with different taste, different ears, and 395 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: all of them kept coming back to that one. 396 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, we got one. 397 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: And it's crazy because it wasn't the first single again, 398 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: just like Ordinary People wasn't for a single. It wasn't 399 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: the first single for that album, but I told my label, 400 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: I was like, this could be my biggest song ever. 401 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: Please don't this up, Please don't get up, Like you 402 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: have to invest in it, you have to put time 403 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: in it. And the way it works with R and 404 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: B artists is that we usually get promoted at urban AC, 405 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: which is a stationed Urban AC stands for Urban Adult Contemporary, 406 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: which is basically short for Black adults, so it's like black, 407 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: it's R and B but not rap basically. But that's 408 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 2: a relatively small portion of the country. So if you're 409 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: only being played on urban AC, it's not going to 410 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: be a huge hit song. And what I was telling them, 411 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: and we were doing well with all of me at 412 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: urban AC. That's my home format, that's where most of 413 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: my records were played, and that's fine, but I was like, Yo, 414 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: this song is not just an R and B record. 415 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: It could be everywhere. I'm gonna be multi cultural. 416 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was like, don't literally like, don't 417 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: get up, Like this could be my biggest song ever. 418 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: And finally they started trying to cross it over to 419 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: pop and this was months after it came out, already 420 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: been number one on urban. 421 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: Ac for a while. 422 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: And what happened was so it came out in like 423 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: the fall or maybe late summer of twenty thirteen, it 424 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: didn't become a smash until spring twenty fourteen. And what 425 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: happened was one they finally started trying to cross it 426 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 2: over to pop radio in early twenty fourteen, and then 427 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: I sang it at the Grammys and they had like 428 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: this spotlight on me but also on Chrissy at the 429 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: same time, and it was like a moment. And as 430 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: soon as I sang it at the Grammys, A shot 431 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: up the iTunes charts, which was the thing at the time. 432 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: We don't even care about the iTunes charts anymore, but 433 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: iTunes isn't even a thing anymore. But it shot up 434 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: the iTunes charts after that performance, and then eventually it 435 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: shot up the overall charts and became a number one 436 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: song for weeks at a time. But it was months, 437 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: many months after it came out, and it took a 438 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 2: long time working it, working at working it, working at 439 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: one format, and then finally crossing it over the Grammys. 440 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: All that together made it the hit that it was. 441 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: When you singing that beal at the event, did you 442 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: get around, did you get a standing overab Oh? 443 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Everybody loved it and it was a moment. 444 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: Like social media was around then, like Twitter and everything, 445 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: and everybody was talking about it and you saw it immediately. 446 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: You can see with iTunes starts like it was instant 447 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: feedback and it was happening immediately, and I'm getting emails 448 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: text from my team like yo, John, like your numbers 449 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: are going crazy everywhere, and. 450 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: It changed my life. 451 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: That moment shot it up every chart and it became 452 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: the you know, global smash that it was because of it. 453 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: Give me your top five songs that you think you've written, 454 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 3: so all of me and ordinary people will get two 455 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: out of five. 456 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say again, it's one of my favorite songs 457 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: ever hed It's on my second album. 458 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: Once again, it's not a hit song. It wasn't even 459 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: a single, but I just love it. 460 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: If you ever watch Deaf Poetry Jam back in the day, 461 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: I sang it on that portray them, which is kind 462 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: of blaspheming as you're supposed to be a poet on 463 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: that portrait. 464 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: But that was my verse of poetry. So that's three 465 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: out of five. I'm gonna say. 466 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: Glory bad if you didn't say bad man. I get 467 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: every time, John, every time I hear that song, I 468 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: get emotional. 469 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: It is so powerful. 470 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: It is almost like five hundred years of our ancestors 471 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: and calling out yeah. 472 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: And you know, I grew up studying the Civil rights movement. 473 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 2: That was inspiring to me. Yes, I'm this nerdy kid 474 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: and homeschooled, and one of the things that inspired me 475 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: was going to the library and reading about all these 476 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: folks that fought for us to have the life that 477 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: we have now. And I was always influenced by them. 478 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: And people always ask me why you speak out about 479 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: politics and stuff all the time, and so much of 480 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: it is rooted in understanding what my ancestors did to 481 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: fight for me to have the freedoms that I have, 482 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: and I don't want to take that for granted. And 483 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: I look at them as an example of what it 484 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: means to live a meaningful life. And I always knew 485 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 2: that I wanted to be a musician, but also that 486 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 2: I was going to use this platform that this life 487 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: has given me to do something else bigger than just 488 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: my own personal career. It's actually make a difference in 489 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 2: the world and use a platform that have to make 490 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: a difference, and all of my favorite artists did it, 491 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: like Stevie Marvin, Aretha, Nina Simone, like all these artists 492 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: knew that it was a special thing for them to 493 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: have the platform that they had. So not only did 494 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: they use their platform, they used their money. They funded 495 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: the civil rights movement. Yes, like Harry Belafonte and Areta 496 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: they were sending money to doctor King, they were bailing 497 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: him out of jail, they were paying for rallies, paying 498 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: to get folks out of jail, and then their songs 499 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: were being used as the fuel and inspiration for these 500 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 2: marches that folks were on. 501 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 3: So I always looked at that as like, oh, that's 502 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 3: what an artist is supposed to do. 503 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: And so when I wrote Glory for Selma, it was 504 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: like partly just fulfilling the. 505 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 3: Role that I always thought artists were supposed to play. 506 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: And if you remember, at this time, we're partly responding 507 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: to the film, but we're also responding to Ferguson and 508 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: the shooting of Michael Brown and the protests that were 509 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: happening in the streets of Ferguson, but also all around 510 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 2: the country and common When he wrote his lyrics for 511 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: the verses, he was directly referencing, we're walking through Ferguson 512 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: with our hands up. And so we were always writing 513 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: for nineteen sixty five and for twenty fourteen at the 514 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: same time. And that's why that song is always going 515 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: to be special because it was so inspired by the moment, 516 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: so inspired by our ancestors, and then it turned around 517 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: and inspire more people to march. So those same people 518 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: that were marching in Ferguson that inspired us to write 519 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: the song, they were marching a few years later with 520 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: our song. 521 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: When I think about it, hear you say that, I 522 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: hear when Marvin Gay wrote for Vietnam Mother. There's far 523 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: too many of us dying. You hear Neil Simone singing 524 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: a strange Fruit in Mississippi. 525 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: Goddamn yeah. 526 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: And the most famous one is Sam Cook A Change 527 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: is Gonna Come. I think when I hear Glory and 528 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: I hear A Change is Gonna Come, I get the 529 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: same emotion. I mean, I'm starting to get chills, not 530 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: just thinking about it, because he said we're gonna write 531 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: one day when you sing glory, We're gonna rise up, 532 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna overcome. Sam is saying a change is gonna come. 533 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it, but I know a change 534 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: is gonna come. 535 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, and when you think about the 536 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: experience of black people in America, we've had such a 537 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: hard time in this country, and we're a permanent minority. 538 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: We're never going to be the majority in this country, 539 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: and so we're always going to be at a disadvantage 540 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: in some way. 541 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 3: But we've still despite. 542 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: All the evidence, despite all the setbacks we've encountered, we've 543 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: maintained a hope that we could help fuel the change 544 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 2: in this country and make it better for ourselves and 545 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: for our kids. And we've done the work to try 546 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: to make this country live up to its ideals since 547 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: day one. 548 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: We just want you to be what you say you're 549 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: gonna be on that paper anything that all men were 550 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: created equals. Just let's do that be on paper. Yes, 551 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 3: selling your catalog, You sold your catalog? Was that a 552 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: hard decision? 553 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: So basically the song from two thousand old, hold on, 554 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: I didn't give you my top five. 555 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 3: I gave you four. Okay, let me think number five. 556 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: You haven't written it yet. 557 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I got some favorites. Oh ooh, 558 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: number five. 559 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: I want to say, wonder Woman from my latest album 560 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: is in my top five. 561 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 562 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that one feels special, and it really like, after 563 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: seeing everything that Chris and I've been through together, it 564 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: just felt special to write that song for her, And 565 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: really we really wrote it thinking about mothers and motherhood 566 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: and how difficult it is and how we should honor that, 567 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: and that song is always gonna be special for me too. 568 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 569 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, anyway, once you said wonder Woman, I knew 570 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: it was christ but it's also thinking about women, Yeah, 571 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: and not just women, but I think motherhood. I was 572 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: really inspired by seeing how much of a challenge it 573 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: is to be a mother and all the things your 574 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: body goes through and everything that's so difficult about it, 575 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: and just honoring that. Certainly your catalog, Yeah, so basically 576 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: everything from twenty four to twenty twenty one all of 577 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: me ordinary people glory, But you're still own fifty percent 578 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: of the cat law was that a hard decision? I mean, 579 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: how did you come to that decision? Say, you know what, 580 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: I'll sell fifty percent. 581 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 2: Of So my decision was one I thought the market 582 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: for it was at a high at that time, so 583 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: I felt like I was getting a very good price. 584 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: And then secondly, it enables me to diversify, so I 585 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: can take the cash that they gave me for that 586 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: and put my money into other investments that would diversify 587 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: my portfolio to the point where I'm not only reliant 588 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: on my music as my way of generating equity and 589 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: income in the future and wealth and the future gotcha. 590 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: And so that was really the decision, right. I felt 591 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: like it was a high point in the market and 592 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: then the opportunity to take that money and diversify it. 593 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: But if an artist were to ask you, say, John, 594 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: what should I do? I mean, I saw what you 595 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: did well the. 596 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: Cool thing about it, and for me this was a 597 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: been a deal breaker if I couldn't was I still 598 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: have enough control that I can say you can't use 599 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: it for this, you can't use it, oh okay, And 600 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: there are a lot of there's still a lot of 601 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: control in my hands and a lot of restrictions on 602 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: how it can be used, and so they can't just 603 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: be out there doing anything they want. 604 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: Willy nearly with. 605 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: It okay, yeah, okay? Are you team independent or signing 606 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: with a major label? I think times have changed, you know, 607 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: when I. 608 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: Came out, it was clear that it was better to 609 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: be with a major label. The level of an investment 610 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: that it took to actually record an album was so 611 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: much more. Now you can have the equipment to do 612 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: it all at home, really, and so it doesn't cost 613 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: you know, half a million dollars to make an album 614 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: a million dollars to make an album. 615 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 3: You can do it with a lot less. 616 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: And then now the distribution isn't as physical anymore. Even 617 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: though people still buy vinyl and a little bit of 618 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: physical product, most of it is digitally distributed. And so 619 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: an independent arts can be on spotif buy and Apple 620 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: Music and Title, and a major label artists can. 621 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: The major label still has some advantages. 622 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: They have more marketing money, they have relationships and experience 623 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: that you may not bring to the table, but you 624 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: can still do a lot of the functions of a 625 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: record label on your own now. So I think the 626 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: bar I think is higher for a record label to say, 627 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: you know. 628 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: Come to us. 629 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: It means they really have to prove to you that 630 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: they're worth it by investing in you, by using their 631 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: relationships and expertise, resources and their resources, and they have them, 632 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: and so if they deploy them on your behalf. It 633 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: can be helpful and you may not have those resources, 634 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: and so that's when you've got to make the decision. 635 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: But a lot of times people are blowing up on 636 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: social media first with TikTok and different things, and it 637 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: kind of circumvens the gatekeepers and the labels that normally 638 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: you'd have to impress them first before you could get 639 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: hurt by people. But now you can get heard, and 640 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: now they come knocking on your door because you were 641 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: able to get yourself heard without them, even with Drake, 642 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: you know earlier this earlier, before TikTok, he was on 643 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: mixtapes and he got generated enough buzz with his mixtapes 644 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: that he had a bidding war and he eventually signed 645 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: with a major label. But his price, yesterday's price, is 646 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: not today's price like it went up. And so you 647 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: have to use whatever leverage you have and build up 648 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: your own leverage through working your own product to the 649 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: people to make it. So if you do sign with 650 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: a label, you're getting them at the price that you 651 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: deserve to where you have leverage and you have control. 652 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: Prince gave you some advice. 653 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: He said, don't get taken advantage of Dusty and own 654 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: as much as your masters as you and publishing as 655 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: you process can. 656 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: And the thing is that advice goes to anybody, But 657 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 2: the bottom line is your negotiating power is what it 658 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: is is. And like the more you're able to do 659 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: on your own, like Drake did, like any artist that 660 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: goes independent first, the more you can come to the 661 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 2: label if you do get in a situation with them 662 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: and you can say, well, I'm actually gonna own my masters. 663 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna do a joint venture deal, but I still 664 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: want to own these masters, or I can do this, 665 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: I can do that. You can't just say I want it. 666 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: You have to have the leverage to be able to 667 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: command that. And so the further I've gone in my career, 668 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: I've had more leverage to negotiate the kinds of things 669 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: that I want to do. But early on in your 670 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: career you may have to make Like early on in 671 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: my career, I signed through Kanye's production company, and some 672 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: people say, don't do that because you're going to give 673 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 2: half of whatever you're getting from the label to Kanye, 674 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: or you're gonna give a certain percentage to Kanye. But 675 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: you rather have fifty percent of a big number than 676 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: than one hundred percent of a small number, and. 677 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 3: So you got to do the math got way to odds. 678 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's like, if this opportunity is great enough, 679 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: just like just like telling Oprah, you gotta pay me 680 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: blah blah blah to come and do this event. No, 681 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: the opportunity is so important for you that don't fight 682 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: for the money. Now, you're investing in your future in 683 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: the long run if you do this event. And so 684 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: it's like you got to you gotta think short term 685 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: and long term when it comes to these kinds of deals, 686 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 2: like what's gonna pay off in the future, And you'd 687 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: rather have sixty fifty percent of millions of dollars than 688 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: one hundred percent of hundreds of thousands of dollars. 689 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: And you will Oprah on your side exactly. 690 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: But I think Prince was coming from speaking from personal knowledge, Yeah, 691 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: because he got into it. I think with Sony, I 692 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: think it was I think it was brother. Yeah, he 693 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: had gotten into it with them. Yes, and you see 694 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: all the I mean, I don't know. I mean, you're 695 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: talking about talent beyond on top of talent, on top of. 696 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 3: One of the most gifted artists we've ever had. Are 697 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 3: we going to see another Prince? 698 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: It's hard man And you know, I saw Jermaine Dupris 699 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: on his Instagram the other day talking about one of 700 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: the issues in black music is that since folks don't 701 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: go to church anymore, or they don't go to church 702 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: like they used to, a. 703 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 3: Lot of the training ground for a lot of. 704 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: Musicians like myself and so many other artists that we've 705 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: grown up listening. 706 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: To, they all started in church. 707 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 2: And the thing about church, One of the things about 708 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: church is that you have opportunity every week to practice, 709 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: to hone your craft, to play for a tough crowd, 710 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: like you are developing your chops in a way that 711 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 2: there's very few other outlets that are like that for 712 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: black kids to develop your chops to become a better 713 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: musician that the church offers. And so I fear we're 714 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: like not having enough of those training grounds for artists 715 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 2: to be multi instrumentalist like Prince was and be really 716 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: just talented musicians. And there's so many shortcuts around it 717 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: now with AI, with auto tune, with all these other things, 718 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: like I feel like we're losing some of that that 719 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: development when it comes to people becoming great at music 720 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 2: about great at playing an instrument, great at being a vocalist, 721 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 2: and being tested out there in the real world. 722 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned Frank Ocean that you sent him your album 723 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: that's not the Apple, but you played the song for 724 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: Frank Ocean. A lot of people say he finessed the system, 725 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: he had one more album to do on Death Jam. 726 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 3: I think it's death Jam. I'm not familiar with his 727 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: business situation, but he but he he did that. He 728 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: did that, and then he gave gave an Apple exclusive. 729 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: A better album. I mean, even swapping those swimmers. 730 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: I honestly, knowing Frank, I don't think he's calculating in 731 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: that sense, like this man is a is an artist, right, 732 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 2: and uh, he's gonna do what he's gonna do as 733 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: an artist. I don't think he's sitting there doing the 734 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: math like, well, I owe them this and I'm gonna 735 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: give them a weeker out. 736 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 3: He's not doing that. He's an artist and he cares 737 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: so much about his craft. 738 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: He's gonna come out with his music when he wants 739 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: to come out with it, but it's gonna be based 740 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: on the art. And I don't think he's driven by 741 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: the numbers. I think he's driven by his commitment product 742 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 2: and put it out the best product he possibly can. 743 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 2: All right, let's get something that you're very, very passionate about, 744 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 2: and you mentioned about this, this has been a long 745 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 2: thing in your history. 746 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: It's politics. And we got Madam vp Kalla Harrison and 747 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: she's going against former President Trump. And what we're seeing 748 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: here as a shift is that a lot more black 749 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: men and women seem to be leaning towards President Trump. 750 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: How do we ensure that whoever the obviously whoever the 751 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: candidate is, that they do what they say they're going 752 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: to do to guard when they were like, we want 753 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: the black vote, we want the black vote, we want 754 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: the black vote, and they come to churches and they 755 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: come to all this thing. How do we ensure John 756 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: that they do what they say they're going to do 757 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: once they get an all First. 758 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 2: Of all, I think I always start with, let's question 759 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 2: the whole narrative that she's going to lose a bunch 760 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: of black men. 761 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: I don't believe that's actually the case. 762 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,959 Speaker 2: And even if you look at the polls right now, 763 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 2: even a little bit of drift is still still getting 764 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 2: it's saying like eighty some percent so of all the 765 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: human beings in America, of all the voters in America, 766 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 2: black people are going to vote for her at a 767 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 2: higher percentage than any other people in the country. So 768 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 2: if she loses, it's not going to be on us, okay, 769 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: And it's not going to be on black men. Like 770 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: if we're voting for her, four out of five of 771 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 2: us voting for her, that's a lot of people. And 772 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 2: so I don't ever want the narrative to be, Oh, 773 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: Trump is winning black men and droves. He might be 774 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 2: going from ten percent to seventeen percent, which is meaningful. 775 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 2: It might be enough to win Pennsylvania if he loses 776 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 2: enough black men. If she loses enough black men in Philadelphia, 777 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: it might tip Pennsylvania. 778 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 3: So it's meaningful in that sense. 779 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 2: But let's be clear, black men and black women are 780 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 2: in overwhelming numbers, more than any other demographic group in 781 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 2: the country, going to vote for Kamala Harris. So let's 782 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: start with that. But to the extent that she does 783 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 2: lose any of them, we have to figure out why 784 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: and do our best to go out there and convince 785 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 2: folks to change their mind back to her. 786 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 3: And she's going out there and doing the work. Yes, 787 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:32,479 Speaker 3: she's specifically targeting policies toward our community. She knows, for one, 788 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 3: black unemployment is lower than it's ever been, so that 789 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 3: means we're working. That means we're generating income. 790 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: But one of the things she knows we could do 791 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: better is generate wealth correct and so a lot of 792 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: her policies are around wealth building. So it's one thing 793 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 2: to have income. That's your job, that's your salary, but 794 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: wealth is something we've been denied in this country because 795 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: redlining excluded us from certain neighborhoods, made it hard for 796 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 2: us to get a home loan so we could buy 797 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 2: a house and build that wealth that we could pass 798 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 2: on to our kids. So one of the biggest issues 799 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: we've dealt with since we've been here, since we've been 800 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 2: freed from slavery, was we couldn't have that kind of 801 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 2: home equity that other families have had. 802 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 3: We didn't have the access. We didn't have the access, and. 803 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 2: So the biggest gap is the wealth gap, it's not 804 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 2: the income gap. 805 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: So what is she doing to target that. 806 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 2: She's saying, we're going to make it easier to make 807 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 2: a down payment, We're going to for first time home buyers, 808 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 2: We're going to give you twenty five thousand dollars. We're 809 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 2: going to make sure there are more homes built that 810 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: are affordable, so that we increase the supply and make 811 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 2: it more available for folks that have been excluded before, 812 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 2: so you can make that investment in something that you 813 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: can pass on to your kids and build wealth for 814 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 2: your families. 815 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: And then the other way we can build equity is 816 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: through our own businesses. 817 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: And she's also making it easier for you to get 818 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 2: a small business loan. And so these are things that 819 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 2: are specifically targeted toward folks that have been excluded from 820 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: the system before, excluded from wealth building before. And we're 821 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 2: going to benefit more from this than any other group. 822 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: And it's not only for us, but because the disparity 823 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 2: is so big in our community, it's going to help 824 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 2: us more than it helps other communities. And that is 825 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 2: key to have a president that is thinking about the 826 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 2: actual issues that we face, knowing that there's a big 827 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 2: wealth gap and having specific policies targeted toward fixing that. 828 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 2: She's doing that and her opponent is not doing it 829 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: at all. And at the same time, her opponent is 830 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 2: denigrating us, disrespecting us, sometimes people talk about him, and 831 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 2: they just talk about how he's kind of impolite, like 832 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 2: he says things that he's not supposed to say. 833 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 3: No, dig a little deeper. This man thinks we are inferior. Yes, 834 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 3: he believes. 835 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 2: When you notice when he talks about immigration, he's talking 836 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 2: about black and brown people coming from the global South, 837 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 2: and he says, they're up our gene pool. 838 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: They are poisoning the blue blood of America. 839 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: So what he's saying is the ideal version of America 840 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 2: is a white America. And anytime brown people infiltrate America, 841 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 2: they're messing up the blood of America. They're messing up 842 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 2: the gene pool of America. And that takes us back 843 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 2: to Hitler. That takes us back to eugenics. That takes 844 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 2: us back to folks who believe there's a genetic hierarchy 845 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 2: that's racially determined superior to Yes. And I just can't 846 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 2: imagine it. Couldn't be me, a black man voting for 847 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 2: somebody who believes so deeply that black men are inferior 848 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 2: to him because we're black. 849 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 3: I can't imagine doing it. 850 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 2: And I just don't see it happening in large numbers 851 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: and so I get people's concern. If it's going from 852 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: ten percent to seventeen percent, that is a concern. But 853 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 2: I think most black men are going to like the 854 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 2: choice is clear, and I think most black women are 855 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 2: going to do the same thing. And you know, I 856 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 2: think of it as a father to like, I have 857 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 2: two boys and two girls. 858 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 3: There's not a chance in the world that I ever 859 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 3: want any of my sons to grow up and be 860 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 3: like Donald Trump. 861 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 2: He is the opposite of what I want my kids 862 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 2: to be. He's a liar, he's unaccountable. Yeah, he's a racist. 863 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 2: He doesn't do the homework, like, he's never prepared, he's 864 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 2: a bully, doesn't pay people that he owes money to, Like, 865 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 2: there's not a trade of his that you want your 866 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: kid to have other than that he's rich and he 867 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 2: got rich from four hundred million dollars that his father 868 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 2: gave him. How many of us have access to that? 869 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,439 Speaker 2: And so like, as a father raising two sons, he's 870 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 2: an exact example of what I don't want them to be, right, 871 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 2: And then as a father raising two daughters, Kamala is 872 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 2: an example of what I would love for them to be. 873 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 3: I would love for. 874 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 2: Them to be her to be as smart and focused 875 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 2: and dedicated to service as she's been, to be as 876 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 2: qualified as she is for this position, and as a father. 877 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 3: Of two black girls. 878 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 2: Who up to this point would never have an example 879 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 2: of a woman being president. Men have had plenty of 880 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 2: chances to be president of this country, of varying degrees 881 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 2: of success and competence. It's about time reelect a woman 882 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 2: to be president, and someone that's so qualified, so ready 883 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 2: for the moment, who has clearly distinguished herself as the 884 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 2: better candidate through policies, through just competence. Have you watched 885 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 2: him talk lately? 886 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 3: He watches rallies. She tells everybody, watch his rallies. 887 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 2: Please watch his rallies, y'all, if you're havn't any second 888 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 2: thoughts about voting for kaml Aira's, watch one of her 889 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 2: rallies and watch one of his. The the comparison when 890 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 2: it comes to competence, just being with it, like it's 891 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 2: not even close. 892 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,280 Speaker 1: But when I hear black men and some black women 893 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: say that money was flowing when President Trump, and I'm 894 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: thinking to myself, I missed it. 895 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 3: I must have been I must been out of country. 896 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 3: Those for you, for your money's been doing very well lately. 897 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. I'm gonna I'm and this 898 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 3: is what I tell people now. 899 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 1: I'm trying, not trying to bag and rag or put 900 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: anybody down, but I'm I'm in the Lord has blessed me. 901 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm situating me too that this glass could be the 902 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: president and I'm gonna be iimpacted. 903 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 3: And also, uh, if we were being selfish, yes, we 904 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 3: be just fine with Trump winning because our tax is 905 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 3: gonna go down. He he wants rich people to pay 906 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 3: less in taxes. 907 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 2: So if I'm being selfish, yes, I'm going for him 908 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 2: because he's gonna lower my taxes. If you're running a 909 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,879 Speaker 2: big corporation, he's very concerned about making sure you're paying 910 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 2: lower taxes. 911 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 3: Right, I run a business exactly. 912 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 2: So if it were just up to our own selfish desire, correct, 913 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 2: we're in a tax backer where he would benefit us, 914 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 2: but I think we're both men of responsibility to care about. 915 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 3: He ain't gonna benefit enough of us though. EXA's my problem. 916 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna do fine either way, like I'm doing 917 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 2: fine under Biden, paying higher taxes than I would under Trump. 918 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 2: Either way, I'm doing fine, correct, but I care about 919 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 2: my responsibility to my community, and uh, when I see 920 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 2: someone with such contempt for my people, yes, when if 921 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 2: I'm a Latino man. 922 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 3: I watched that. 923 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 2: Republican National Convention and they actually went to the printer 924 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 2: and made mass deportation now signs mass deportation now. Of 925 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 2: all the things you could put on a sign, of 926 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 2: all the things you could print up, you went. You 927 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 2: like the level of intention that has to go into 928 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 2: having the whole arena holding mass deportation now signs. 929 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 3: It means they really mean that shit. They mean it 930 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 3: to their core. And what mass. 931 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 2: Deportation now means if you are a citizen now on 932 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,320 Speaker 2: you're a Latino man, or you come from an immigrant family, 933 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 2: you may be fine because you were born here, but 934 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 2: there's somebody in your family. Most of these families are 935 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 2: mixed status family, so some of them were born here 936 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 2: and they have citizenship, but their grandmother, their aunt, their uncle, 937 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 2: somebody in their family doesn't have status. 938 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 3: So he's going to go through each. 939 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 2: Of these communities and extract their family members and mass 940 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 2: deport them. He's going to start by having the heights 941 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 2: or the police invade their homes, build a camp, a 942 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 2: detention camp, some would say a concentration camp to detain 943 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 2: them and then forcefully send them back home. As a 944 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 2: Latino man, I couldn't hear that and be like, Oh, 945 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 2: this is the guy I want to be in charge. Like, 946 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 2: think about your community, think about your family. As a 947 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 2: black man, knowing how much contempt he has for us, 948 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 2: how inferior he thinks we are. Every time there's a 949 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 2: chance to side with either the police who shot us 950 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 2: or us the victim of it, he sides with the police. 951 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 3: He said, he wants blanket, immunity, blanket for cops. 952 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 2: Police could do no wrong, they can do no wrong, 953 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 2: no accountability. They shoot us up, doesn't matter, no accountability. 954 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 2: He wants that. It couldn't be me, couldn't be me. 955 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 2: And so hopefully people will analyze his record, analyze the 956 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 2: difference between the policies that she's offering, which she actually 957 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,399 Speaker 2: put thought into and care into addressing our needs, and 958 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 2: the fact that he's putting no care or thought into it. 959 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 2: And you know, I think another thing that he benefits 960 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 2: from is the propaganda of him being on the Apprentice, 961 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,720 Speaker 2: So he was able to market himself as a successful businessman, 962 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 2: not noting how many times he went bankrupt. And just 963 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 2: be clear, when somebody goes bankrupt, it's not just their 964 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 2: business fails. It means they're not paying everybody they owe 965 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 2: money to. That means they're not paying the contractors. So 966 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 2: a lot of these folks were everyday contractors. 967 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 3: They're not rich. They're people they went out of business 968 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 3: because they didn't get. 969 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 2: Their plumbers that are helping to build his hotel. They're 970 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 2: contractors that are doing. 971 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,479 Speaker 3: All sorts of things. 972 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 2: He just stiffed them, and he knew that if they 973 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 2: tried to see him, they lose more money paying for 974 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 2: lawyers and doing all that stuff, then they would actually 975 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 2: get their money back. 976 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 3: So he basically weighted them out. 977 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,760 Speaker 2: And so he just went through life conning people, defrauding people, 978 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 2: stiffing people that he owe money to. 979 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 3: And his only reason he got in the. 980 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 2: Business at all was he got four hundred million dollars 981 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 2: from his dad. That's not a great businessman to me, right, 982 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,959 Speaker 2: that's not a businessman that any you talk to, any 983 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 2: CEO or any person that's actually succeeded in business the 984 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 2: right way, they don't look up to that man. 985 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 3: He's a con. 986 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 2: Artist, couldn't be me, man, I'm not voting for him, 987 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 2: and it's clear, Like to me, it's clear why nobody should. 988 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,399 Speaker 1: When you hear and you a lot of a lot 989 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: of concerns. Some of the concerns, not all, but some 990 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 1: of the concerns is that now, Madam BP, she isn't 991 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 1: black enough. 992 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 3: She's mixed. 993 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 2: Her daddy's black, her mom's Indian. Right, there's a lot 994 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,960 Speaker 2: of mixed folks in America. 995 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, the police pull her over, she gets pulled 996 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: over there and say out, I think she Indian. 997 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 3: She black, she's black. She walk into a store. 998 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 2: She's black, by the way, She's about to be if 999 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 2: she wins the first president from an HBCU, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1000 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 2: like from Howard Universe. Yes, Yes, from Alpha Kappa Alpha 1001 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,239 Speaker 2: Sorority Incorporated. 1002 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,759 Speaker 3: Like are we kidding? Like those are choices she made 1003 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 3: Like she could have gone a different way, like I 1004 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 3: went to primarily white institution. She could have gone anywhere 1005 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 3: she wanted. She went to Howard. She pledged AKA, like 1006 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: she's black, y'all, that's not even a question. 1007 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: But John, a lot of people have her policies. When 1008 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: she was I guess the DA I think in the 1009 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: Bay Area, Yeah, some of her policies where she locked 1010 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:31,480 Speaker 1: up black men. 1011 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 2: Well that I think a lot of people have relooked 1012 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 2: at that because that was misinformation that has being spread 1013 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 2: about her. So there was some report that she was 1014 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 2: locking up thousands of black men on marijuana charges. 1015 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 3: She locked up very few on marijuana. 1016 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 2: Charges at all as a district attorney, and a percentage 1017 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 2: of them were black men, but even in general, the 1018 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 2: whole list was not a long list at all. 1019 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 3: That was just completely incorrect. 1020 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,280 Speaker 2: And then they started to blame her as attorney general 1021 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 2: for all of the people who were locked up in 1022 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 2: the state of California, when the attorney general in the 1023 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 2: state doesn't even deal with marijuana cases. So they were 1024 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 2: blaming her for stuff that local DA's were charging all 1025 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 2: throughout California. 1026 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,720 Speaker 3: That's not her job. 1027 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 2: Attorney generals of a state don't deal with marijuana crimes locally, 1028 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 2: and so she was being blamed for that when it 1029 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 2: wasn't even her. So this was like you saw DL. 1030 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 2: He came out and was like, I was wrong about that. 1031 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 2: I was spreading that and it just wasn't true. And 1032 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 2: I respect DL for coming out and saying, you know, 1033 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 2: I spread this and I was incorrect, and I learned 1034 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 2: the truth, and I came back and told folks it 1035 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 2: wasn't true. And so hopefully people are dispelled of those lives. 1036 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 2: But it's hard though. There's so much media out there, 1037 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 2: and people get their media from everywhere, and so you 1038 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,319 Speaker 2: could be misinformed about things and just not know. And 1039 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 2: you know, that's why I think it's smart that she's 1040 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 2: going on different types of media now, talking to Charlemagne, 1041 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 2: talking to you know, different outlets, so that she reaches 1042 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 2: people where they are and where they listen. 1043 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: When you look at the problem, A lot of problems 1044 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: that I have is that all of a sudden, the 1045 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 1: VP has so much power. Now, well what about your 1046 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: policies when actually less the president than capacitated. 1047 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 3: She doesn't have anything. 1048 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 2: Right, you know, Well, whenever something goes wrong, they want 1049 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 2: to be you know that. I noticed it with Jade 1050 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 2: Advance all the time. He's like under the Kamala Harris administration, 1051 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, I thought. 1052 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 3: It was the bidens. I thought she was the vice president. 1053 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,720 Speaker 2: And the thing is, the VP is in the room, Okay, 1054 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 2: so she should get the credit for being in the 1055 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 2: room and having the experience that that gives her a 1056 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 2: being in the room when all these big decisions are made. 1057 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 2: She's speaking up, she's involved, she's watching the decision making 1058 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 2: apparatus of being president. So that actually makes her more 1059 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 2: qualified to be president. Yes, but she wasn't the president. 1060 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 2: She was not the president. So when things are happening, 1061 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 2: it's because Biden decided they're going to happen, correct, And 1062 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,920 Speaker 2: she can have an input, she can have decision making influence, 1063 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,319 Speaker 2: but it's the Biden Press, the tea and they can 1064 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,680 Speaker 2: let vps do as much as they want to let 1065 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 2: them do, and some vps are shut out, they're not 1066 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,400 Speaker 2: involved in decision making. 1067 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 3: At least she's in the room and she has influence. 1068 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 2: But the president is the president, and we only have 1069 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 2: one president at a time, and she's campaigning to be 1070 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 2: the president. And you'll notice, first of all, we don't 1071 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 2: need to shy away from Biden's record. The economy is 1072 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 2: doing very well. Unemployment is very low, including in the 1073 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 2: black community. The biggest issue that I think most people 1074 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 2: rightfully are worried about is cost of living, and she's 1075 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 2: ready to make a change when it comes to that. 1076 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 2: She's trying to make it more affordable for you to 1077 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 2: get a house, trying to stop price gouging so your 1078 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 2: groceries don't go up unnecessarily. 1079 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 3: She's trying to make cure drugs. 1080 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,320 Speaker 2: When it comes to pharmaceuticals, costs less. 1081 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,959 Speaker 3: Capping those, negotiating for those. 1082 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 2: So there are all kinds of ways she can influence 1083 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,320 Speaker 2: the cost of living, whether it's going to school, buying 1084 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 2: a house, paying for pharmaceuticals, paying for health care. All 1085 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 2: these things cost a lot of money for a lot 1086 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 2: of people, and it makes it hard for people to live, 1087 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 2: even if they've got a. 1088 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 3: Job, even if they got an income. 1089 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,319 Speaker 2: And so it's good that under Biden, unemployment's very low. 1090 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,399 Speaker 2: It's good that the economies come back better than any 1091 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 2: other country after the pandemic. Yeah, so let's remember what happened. 1092 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 2: If you look at a graph, it's very clear Obama 1093 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 2: inherited the financial. 1094 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 3: Collapse, the secred greatest recession in the history. Yes, he 1095 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,919 Speaker 3: inherited next to the Great Depression. It was the worst. 1096 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,319 Speaker 2: So we come out of financial collapse and Obama brings 1097 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,280 Speaker 2: the economy back. Trump comes in. Everybody's like he's the businessman. 1098 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 2: He's just coasting on Obama's economy. If you look at 1099 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 2: the graph, it had already been coming up, and he 1100 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,120 Speaker 2: just kind of kept it a flow. And then the 1101 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 2: pandemic comes and we have a massive crash. And then Biden, 1102 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 2: just like Obama had to clean up the financial collapse. 1103 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,640 Speaker 2: Obiden had to Biden had to clean up the pandemic collapse. 1104 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,840 Speaker 3: And he came in and past major laws that changed this. 1105 00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 2: So one of them was a Recovery Act, put money 1106 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 2: in people's pockets, the child tax Credit, half child Poverty, 1107 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 2: put money in everybody's pockets. And then they pass infrastructure 1108 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 2: so they could build and employ more construction workers. They 1109 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 2: passed the Chips Act so that more high tech manufacturing 1110 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,520 Speaker 2: jobs are back in America. And if you go around 1111 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 2: the country in a place where I grew up, that's 1112 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 2: a big reason why there are more jobs. That's why 1113 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 2: the Haitians are coming to Springfield. It's because there are 1114 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:28,919 Speaker 2: more jobs. 1115 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,240 Speaker 3: There are more manufacturing jobs. 1116 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 2: So Biden did a great job bringing us back from 1117 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,280 Speaker 2: the pandemic. If you ask any country around the world. 1118 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 2: The economists just put out a magazine where the cover 1119 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 2: title was American economy is the envy of the world. 1120 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,520 Speaker 3: Wow, And do we have things we still need to. 1121 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 2: Work on affordability is the main one, and that's why 1122 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:58,239 Speaker 2: Kamala is focused on affordability, home affordability, college affordability, healthcare affordability, 1123 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 2: some of the biggest costs that we all deal with. 1124 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 2: That's what she's focused on. What is Trump going to do? 1125 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 2: He wants to his big two things. His big two 1126 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 2: things when it comes to the economy, though, are one, 1127 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 2: he wants to make sure that rich people still have 1128 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 2: their tax cuts, so he's gonna help me and you, 1129 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 2: but not most people. And then two, he's going to 1130 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,319 Speaker 2: put a sales tax on everything we buy, because he 1131 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,719 Speaker 2: calls it a tariff. Tariff means everything that's important, he's 1132 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 2: going to put a tax on it. And he believes 1133 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 2: because he doesn't understand it common. I mean that if 1134 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,920 Speaker 2: he puts it on everything coming from China or India 1135 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,040 Speaker 2: or Mexico or Europe, that they're going to pay. 1136 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,479 Speaker 3: No, they price it in and we pay. We pay. 1137 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,160 Speaker 2: So when he says he's going to put a tariff 1138 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 2: on everything important, that means he's going to put a 1139 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 2: sales tax on everything important. 1140 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 3: And the thing about a sales tax is. 1141 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,360 Speaker 2: Regular folks, working class, middle class people spend. 1142 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,839 Speaker 3: A higher percentage of their money than rich people do. 1143 00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,120 Speaker 2: Correct, So when a sales tax hits, it hits working 1144 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,479 Speaker 2: people harder than it hits people with money because most 1145 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 2: of their money is coming in and then going back 1146 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,240 Speaker 2: out in buying things and anything that has a foreign component. 1147 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 2: The price is about to go up, So he's going 1148 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,240 Speaker 2: to increase costs for people. And they say it's going 1149 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880 Speaker 2: to make inflation go right back up when it's down 1150 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 2: right now. 1151 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 3: So the difference is so clear, Like, no, Trump is 1152 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 3: not the right candidate for any of us. Let's get 1153 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 3: rid of him. Let's be done with him. Aren't you 1154 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 3: tired of him being on the news? Are you tired 1155 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 3: of him? 1156 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 2: Like I'm so tired of seeing his face that I'm 1157 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 2: tired of seeing that orange makeup. 1158 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm tired of it. If it's not sports, 1159 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't really watch it that much either. So I'm 1160 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: waiting to the site tired. 1161 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,840 Speaker 3: Please God, get him out of our lives. 1162 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out on this. If Madam VP, 1163 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: if she becomes Madam president, what's going to be the 1164 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,160 Speaker 1: impact she has on the black community. 1165 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,360 Speaker 2: First of all, we need to make sure we elect 1166 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,760 Speaker 2: a Senate that's going to work with her. Yes, So 1167 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 2: let's make sure everybody these focused not just on the presidency, 1168 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 2: but the Senate and the Congress, all those people, because 1169 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 2: she can go in there and say I'm doing this, this, 1170 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 2: this and this, but if she can't get them to 1171 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,240 Speaker 2: vote for it, it doesn't become a law. 1172 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 1: Until we saw We saw that were President Obama when 1173 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: he lost the Senate and he couldn't get from Mary Garlet, 1174 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 1: he couldn't get anything. 1175 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 2: And so when you vote, think holistically, think all these 1176 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,440 Speaker 2: people are going to influence this. But if she is 1177 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 2: the president, you know that she's going to spend every 1178 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 2: day thinking about what it means to be a working 1179 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 2: class person, a middle class person in this country, and 1180 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 2: particularly knowing what it's like to be a person of 1181 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 2: color growing up in this country. She's thinking about the 1182 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 2: issues that we have to deal with, like I said before, 1183 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 2: the wealth gap, affordability, and she's going to be thinking 1184 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 2: about those issues every single day and trying to make 1185 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 2: it easier for you to live the American dream. And 1186 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,520 Speaker 2: I think it's so clear that she has a plan 1187 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 2: to make people's lives better, more affordable, more successful, and. 1188 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 3: Her opponent does not have a plan. 1189 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 2: And appears to be falling apart every time I watch 1190 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 2: him on Tellvision. 1191 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 3: He not gonna make it, y'all. 1192 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:09,520 Speaker 2: Like he looks exhausted, he looks he's like muttering, like 1193 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 2: all the things they were saying about Biden, Like he's 1194 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 2: the old guy now, Like he's not ready to do 1195 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 2: this for another four years. He doesn't have the plans, 1196 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,320 Speaker 2: he doesn't have the character, he doesn't have the integrity. 1197 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 2: Just imagine all the people that work for him, especially 1198 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 2: the people that worked in defense and anything to do 1199 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 2: with national security, They're like, oh, y'all, don't vote for him. 1200 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 2: He's not safe. He's a dangerous person for this country. 1201 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 2: Can you imagine any other person running for president and 1202 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,720 Speaker 2: half of their cabinet won't come out and supporting his 1203 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,320 Speaker 2: vice president who he almost got killed, won't support him. 1204 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: Wow, John, I want to thank you for becoming glad 1205 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: there anything that you want to promote. 1206 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 3: You got your album. 1207 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 2: I did a special album for my kids and for 1208 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,600 Speaker 2: people with kids all around the world. It's called My 1209 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 2: Favorite Dream, and I just put that out a few 1210 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 2: weeks to go, and I love it. 1211 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 3: I'm really proud of it. 1212 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,080 Speaker 2: We put a lot of intention and love into the album, 1213 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 2: and so, you know, as the news is very stressful, 1214 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 2: it's a nice thing to call me down. And then 1215 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,960 Speaker 2: we're about to go on the Christmas tour, so people 1216 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 2: can get tickets for that all around the country. 1217 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to that. You know. 1218 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,120 Speaker 2: I try my music, you know, I write the glories 1219 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 2: and songs like that, but I also want to make people, 1220 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,560 Speaker 2: you know, get an escape from all. 1221 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 3: The troubles of the world too. 1222 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 2: And and I feel like this Christmas show and the 1223 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 2: children's album is a good escape from from all the 1224 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 2: bad news we see. 1225 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,560 Speaker 3: John Legend, my brother. I'm glad to do it. 1226 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 5: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifics, hustle, p Price, 1227 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,800 Speaker 5: want slice all my life. I've been grinding all my life, 1228 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 5: all my life, grinning all my life, sacrifics, hustle, pled 1229 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,919 Speaker 5: to Brice, want slice the bro all my life. 1230 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,440 Speaker 3: I've been grinding all my life.