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Speaker 1: Pay Colts fans. I'm JJ Stankowitz filling in for Amanda

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Speaker 1: Foster here on the Two Minute Drill podcast. I am

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Speaker 1: joined by my friend Casey Valier. Case welcome back to

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Speaker 2: Well you welcome back to the podcast. Age Jay, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: How we've been We've been busy around Christmas. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have as well. Yeah, that's why I'm filling in

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Speaker 1: for Amanda here, who usually hear her voice on Fridays.

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Speaker 2: But we're back here.

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Speaker 1: A lot of news to get to case before the

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Speaker 1: Colts kick off against the Jaguars on Sunday at Lucas

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Speaker 1: Oil Stadium. Let's start maybe with the the unfortunate news

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Speaker 1: of Friday, and that is defensive tackle to Forrest Buckner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: will go on injured reserve. His season is over. Shane

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Speaker 1: Stiken told us on Friday he will have a procedure

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Speaker 1: on his neck. He reaggravated the neck injury he initially

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Speaker 1: sustained back in Week nine against the Steelers. He did

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Speaker 1: that on Monday. Really unfortunate. A lot of thoughts kind

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Speaker 1: I think the first one though is what an example

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Speaker 1: how much he cares about this franchise that he even

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Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the things about buck that you know,

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Speaker 3: we all know this, you know to be true because

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Speaker 3: He is easily one of the toughest football players that

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Speaker 3: that scares everybody. So and I think you know, when

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Speaker 3: we've talked to DFO the last handful of weeks, it

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Speaker 3: if you will, I think in large part understanding the

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Speaker 2: Come from this.

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Speaker 3: So hearing the news today, yes, tip of the cap

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Speaker 3: for him to come back. You know, all he wants

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is the true professional. He is a

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Speaker 1: The encouraging thing we heard from Shane Steichen is will

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Speaker 1: that is what Shane told us, So you know, hopefully

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Speaker 1: to being DeForest Buckner. But I mean, you're you're absolutely

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone would have blamed him after

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Speaker 1: he played to his standard against San Francisco. Listened to

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Speaker 3: He's easily one of the best defensive tackles in football,

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Speaker 1: Certainly losing him as a major impact on this defense

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you think about for those guys,

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Speaker 3: we're all out here game planning to win a football game.

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Speaker 1: Win, all right, and now for the best possible chance

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Sauce Gardner case, because getting him back

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, there's multiple layers to this too. I think

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Speaker 3: also what he brings as a player. Yes, I mean

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Keep an eye out on Sunday night for

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Speaker 1: an announcement of when and when that game will be.

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Speaker 1: It's currently TBD YEP Colts and Texans they'll that will

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Speaker 1: we get to that point. For Casey Valier, I'm JJ Snakowitz.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this episode of the Two

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Speaker 1: Minute Drill in Indianapolis Colts podcast. Talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: So long,