1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Bombshell in the search for Brian Laundry. Take a listen 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: to our friends at Live now Fox Chris and Roberto Laundry, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: the parents of fugitive Brian Laundry. They ventured into Florida's 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve earlier this morning, where Fox News Digital saw 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: an officer apparently telling parents that law enforcement might have 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: found something. The lawyer for the Laundry family would not 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: comment when asked if the Laundries were at the park 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: at the request of law enforcement. Not comment. The Laundry's 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: family attorney not comment. That'll be a cold day in 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: you know where. He's doing nothing but commenting. I'm DC Grace. 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in Sirius x sim one eleven. Yes, 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: a bombs have remains human remains been found near the 14 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve. How long have they been there? What other 15 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: items have been found? We believe a notebook belonging to 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, which is critical in this case. When did 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: he go there, how long was he there? And did 18 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: his parents somehow destroy any chance of their ever being 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: justice in this case? The first night he went there 20 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: and didn't come home. Shouldn't the cops have been called 21 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: that night and a search party led to Carlton Reserve 22 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: when they brought the car back home. Questions swirling with me, 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: and I'll start panel to break it down and put 24 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: it back together again. First of all, Dale Carson, high 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: profile lawyer joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction, former 26 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: fed with the FBI, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining 27 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. And Angela Arnold, MD 28 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: dot com, Foundering director of the Coldcase three Search Institute. 29 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum. You can find her at Coldcase crimes dot org. 30 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 31 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and star of an iHeart hit series 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Bodybacks with Joseph Scott Morgan, John Ellwood special guests joining 33 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: us Deputy Chief Manatee County Search and Rescue and Massa 34 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Saiedi joining us on the scene. Investigative reporter w FLATV Tampa. 35 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut three fifty three 36 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: Mike Posh and a worldwide exclusive video obtained by Fox 37 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: News Digital shows the laundriies and the law enforcement officer, 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: huddling and speaking as the officer appears to show the 39 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,399 Speaker 1: couple in unknown discovery. The officer appeared to tell the parents, 40 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: I think we might have found something. During the couple's 41 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: time inside Chris Laundry, it could be seen continually moving 42 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: in and out of areas of the brush. After a 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: short while, he and Roberto Laundry separated, with Chris and 44 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: the two men moving into the brush on the left 45 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: side of the trail for approximately twelve minutes. Chris returned 46 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: with out law enforcement and the couple continued on Guys, 47 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: how did it actually go down? How did the parents 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry end up in that Florida reserve? And within 49 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: about an hour evidence is found linked to Brian Laundry 50 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: and possible human remains. Now Here is their lawyer, Steve 51 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: Bertolino on at our friend's CNN outlet. Now think about it. 52 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Bertolino did not just fall off the turnip truck. Listen 53 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: to what he's saying. How his words are being parshed. 54 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three sixty five. Why today? 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: Why did the parents choose today to go to the preserve? Well, 56 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: it is my understanding that the preserve was only open 57 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: to the public as of yesterday. So my clients reached 58 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: out to me and informed me that they wanted to 59 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: go into to the preserve this morning, and I thought 60 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: it would be wise to notify law enforcement of their intentions. 61 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: I did so by text to my contact in the 62 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: Northport Police Department, and they responded with thank you for 63 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: the heads up, and then they met my clients there 64 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: this morning. Why did they meet your clients there, Well, 65 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: I presume they thought it would be a good idea 66 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: just to accompany them in. They knew the press had 67 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: been following my clients for weeks and weeks on end, 68 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: and you'd have to ask them why they chose to come. 69 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: They did not indicate to me last night that they 70 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: would be there. They just again thanked me for the 71 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: heads up. It's all very very coincidental. Straight out to you, 72 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director with Cold Case Research Institute. Champon Nancy. 73 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: The biggest part of that statement is when he said 74 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: that Chris ventured off out of the site the law enforcement. 75 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: That's when you just happened to find the dry bag 76 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: in the bramble. It's all too odd the time, and 77 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: is weird. First of all, when he says they only 78 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: opened the park up to the public as of yesterday, 79 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: these folks aren't public. These are the parents of a 80 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: missing person flash fugitive. They would have been instrumental. Plus, 81 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: they already invited Chris one time to get on the 82 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: four whee learned drive them around. They could have gone 83 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: to that park anytime they chose. So let's just follow 84 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: that through to its logical conclusion. Because in my line 85 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: of business, you have all sorts of theories, hypotheses, speculation 86 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: thrown at you. What about this? What about that? Couldn't 87 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: this happened? I spent ten years dealing with defense attorneys 88 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: speculation about what might have happened in crimes that I 89 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: was prosecuting prosecuting. But let's just follow you're a law 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: of thinking through to its logical conclusion. Cheryl McCollum, you say, oh, 91 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: it's too coincidental, all right? If those are Brian Laundry's 92 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: human remains, and you're suggesting some type of a setup 93 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: or that the evidence may have been planted, what you 94 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: want to tell me they planet is remains too. Let's 95 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: follow through your line of thinking. What exactly are you 96 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: trying to say. I'm trying to say. It appears to 97 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: me that his parents knew the location before yesterday. They 98 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: knew right where to go. They went right to the 99 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: evidence within thirty minutes. And the point of that would be, 100 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: this should have been done on the fourteenth. And the 101 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: point of that would have been, what the outcome would 102 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: be the same. If this Brian Laundry, he's dead, it 103 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: would have been the same. But we wouldn't have spent 104 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: a million dollars looking for him. We wouldn't have had 105 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: people on the Appalachian Trail and in Mexico and everywhere 106 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: else looking for him. This would have been done. Gabby's 107 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: family could have already moved from this as well. Think 108 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: that he's out there on the run somewhere. Okay, I 109 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: understand that. I guess I'm thinking in a probative manner. 110 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: In other words, as you will know, everything registers in 111 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: my mind. Think of a computer that only sees x's 112 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: and OS. I think if everything as it relates to 113 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: evidence at trial. And my point is, if they find 114 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: him now or at a different day, does that change 115 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: the outcome of this case. Let's backtrack straight up to 116 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: massa society joining me. They're on the scene joining me 117 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: out of Florida. She's with w FLATV. Massa. Tell me 118 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Is it true that the parents Brian 119 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Andry's parents find these items within an hour or less 120 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: of going onto the trail. We found the items after 121 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: a quote brief search off of a trail. So what 122 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I think is important to stress is law enforcement has 123 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: searched the Mayaca Hatchee Creek Environmental Park. They determined they 124 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: are done. They opened this park back up to the public. 125 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Chris and Roberta said they wanted to go back and 126 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: they wanted to take another look at this specific site 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that they believed Brian Laundry would have visited. Now, according 128 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: to the family attorney, they told law enforcement about this 129 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: specific site on September seventeenth, the day that Brian Laundry 130 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: was reported missing. This site, according to the attorney, is 131 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: near the entrance about a mile or two about a 132 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: thirty minute walk. He estimates it is near the bridge 133 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: which connects the Carlton Reserve to the mica Hatchee Creek 134 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: Environmental Park. So apparently yesterday Chris and Roberta show up 135 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: at this team two Northport police officers are with them, 136 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: the attorney says, are keeping an eye on them, but 137 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: we also know that they weren't keeping keeping an eye 138 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: on them the entire time, based on what the attorney said. 139 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: Out there on CNN, Chris discovers a dry bag. Police 140 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: are not around. He picks up the dry bag. He's 141 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: zig zagging through. Apparently news media is following him. He 142 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: runs into law enforcement and they have been to find 143 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: the backpack that belonged to Brian Laundry and partial unidentified 144 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: human remains. So the most stunning part of this to 145 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: me is that we know this was an area that 146 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: they had been searching, the fact that law enforcement was 147 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: done with it, the fact that this park was opened 148 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: back up, the fact that Chris and Roberta decide they're 149 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: going to go out there now and take a look 150 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: for themselves. Remember, exactly two weeks ago, Chris Laundry had 151 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: been at the Maaca Hatchee Creek Environmental Park. So the 152 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: big question is why was this missed until now? It 153 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: was also, you know, very interesting to hear yesterday that 154 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: the FBI knew knew on the thirteenth that Bryant was missing. 155 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: According to Stephen Bertolino. The family notified the FBI on 156 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: the thirteenth that Brian was missing, so we'll be working 157 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: to see if that's true or not today. Straight out 158 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: to John Ellwood, Deputy Chief of Manatee County Search and Rescue. 159 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: John Ellwood, I also found it very difficult to believe 160 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: that cadaver dogs were in that area and did not 161 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: find human remains. Well, Nancy, there's a couple of ways 162 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: that you could approach this. First of all, in the 163 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: way that cadaver dogs work. Cadaver dogs alert on the 164 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: scent of decaying human tissue. Where my understanding is where 165 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: Brian was located when the initial search began about a 166 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: month ago, that area was under water, and if the 167 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: body had not really started to decompose and release oils 168 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth that would float up 169 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: to the surface. It would make it difficult for those 170 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: dogs to detect or was he not yet dead? John Ellwood. 171 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: If he wasn't a band at that point, could daver 172 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: dogs wouldn't wouldn't go to him, correct And it's also 173 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: my understanding that when they used live fine slash tracking 174 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: canines initially, that those dogs didn't alert on his scent 175 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: in which you guys have commented before about when the 176 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: FBI went into the home grabbed articles of clothing to 177 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: use for the dogs as a scent article. They did 178 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: not detect his scent in the areas that they initially searched, 179 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: So they were there in that exact area and they 180 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: didn't hit that's my understanding. Correct, could daver dogs and 181 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: scent dogs, yes, ma'am. And where it was asked a 182 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: week or so ago when they brought law enforcement cadaver 183 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: dogs in, why were they doing that And the basic 184 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: answer was at that point they were using them as 185 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: a diagnostic tool, meaning that they used live, fine canines 186 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: initially did not receive any indication that Brian was there, 187 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: So then the next order of progression would be to 188 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: use cadaver dogs to see if they would alert on anything. 189 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: And one of the things also that as a canine handler, 190 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: that we look for before we even deploy the dog, 191 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: because when you talk about the Carlton Reserve, you're talking 192 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: twenty five thousand acres thirty eight square miles. You look 193 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: for buzzard circling. Then what you would do is drive 194 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: to that area and then release the canine to see 195 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: if they can locate anything, because at that point you 196 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: don't know whether it's an animal or a human. And 197 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: the dogs are specifically trained not to alert on dead animals, 198 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: as like in case the anthony where they tried bringing 199 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: that up in court and it's been proven that they 200 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: don't do that. So if the dog was back to 201 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: the handler and says there's nothing here, then you presume 202 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: it would be an animal. Bon Michelle. In the last hours, 203 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: a notebook, a backpack we believe belonged to belonging to 204 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry discovered not far from what we think our 205 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: human remains. And you know, Cheryl McCollum, as we all 206 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: watched what was happening, and I saw the medical examiner 207 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: van roll up. The van doesn't show up unless you 208 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: think you've got human remains. Cops do not disturb the 209 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: medical examiner until they have to absolutely no question about it. 210 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: That van to me yesterday was you know, the biggest 211 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: sign that absolutely they had something that was you know, 212 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: human and nature human remains. And you know, Nancy, I 213 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: gotta say I was on the phone live with you 214 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: and that was happening, and you know, at some point, 215 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, we've been doing this for weeks and weeks, 216 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: but it comes down to just being a parent, and 217 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: it's just gut wrenching to think two families are now 218 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: just destroying, destroyed, torn aparders. What guys, take a listen 219 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: to our friends at ABC and our cut three six 220 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: two are the human remains found to day in Florida. 221 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: Those are Brian Laughtering, the fiance of Long Island Gabby Petito. 222 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: But also tonight, one of New York's former top cops 223 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: is questioning the involvement of Laundry's parents, saying something's just 224 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: not right. There's just too many strange turns that Chris 225 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: and Romodo Laundry haven't been involved in to not believe 226 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: that something's miss here. I would just use reporters. Von 227 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: Kim now with the latest on the investigation to search 228 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry maybe coming to a close. The Laundry 229 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: family attorney says Brian's parents found some belongings this morning 230 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: near a trail he frequented. He spoke with i Wan 231 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: this news moments after the FBI update. Well, as you 232 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: can imagine that the parents are very destroyed like everyone else, 233 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: They're going to wait for the results of the forensic 234 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: identification before making any further comments. But at this moment 235 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: in time, you know they're they're grieving. They're grieving. Okay, 236 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: you know we have been looking so hard for Brian Laundry, 237 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: analyzing every move. It didn't hit until I saw that 238 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: medical examiner's van pull up that he could actually be 239 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: out there joining me right now, Joseph Scott, Morgan professor 240 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: forensic jump in Joe Scott. Yeah, we don't show up 241 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: unless we're invited, Nancy, that's the bottom line. We you know, 242 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: we're not going to get in the way of the 243 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: police investigation. And understand this, just because somebody finds a 244 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: backpack or this dry bag that might be associated with 245 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, that's not a reason to show up. When, 246 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: like Mackett said, when the Emmy's van shoo showed up, 247 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: I knew for a fact at that time that they 248 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: did have human remain. The trick now, the trick now 249 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: is remember what the FBI said and their press or 250 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: their release. They said, this is a partial human remain. 251 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: So what does that mean. Does that mean that this 252 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: body is skeletonized to a certain degree and they only 253 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: have maybe the core of the body, the spine, the ribs, 254 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, the pelvis, and if some kind 255 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: of scavengers come in, they may have walked away with 256 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: some of the remain even though the body was apparently 257 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: partially submerged. Perhaps, don't be surprised if you see other 258 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: cadaver dogs come back out there today and later on 259 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: to look for these little pieces. Listen, this is not 260 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: as simple as determining Gabby's cause of death. You have 261 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: so many of these elements that are possibly missing, and 262 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: that's what everybody's going to want to ask. First, is 263 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: it him? And secondly, how did he die? And you're not. 264 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult to do anything relative 265 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: to talks if the skull is missing, and this is 266 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: a gunfire related thing, which I highly doubt you're not 267 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: going to be able to analyze that for any kind 268 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: of bullet defect. So everybody needs to calm down, be patient, 269 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: and let them work the science. Okay, let's go out 270 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: and take a listen to cut three sixty three. This 271 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: is my long time friend Bill Ritter at ABC speaking 272 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: to the NYPD Chief of Detectives. Listen, there's just too 273 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: many strange turns that Chris and Verto Laundry haven't been 274 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: involved in to not believe that something has a miss 275 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: here now and then you see this the day of 276 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: the park close they could reopens. They go into the 277 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: specific area here and a very large twenty four acres 278 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: from what I understand, the parkt and butts the Carlton Reserve, 279 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: and they go to this exact spot and they find 280 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: the backpack, and they identify the backpack from what I 281 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: understand in the notebook in this particular area. So it's 282 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: quite strange, and forty thousand acres I think actually twenty 283 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: four wars, so so they binded this. This this one 284 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: location is from a location where it's a path where 285 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: people go by. We see the gentleman walking by. It 286 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: early a handheld video and they're being told by the 287 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: FBI agent that, well, all of a sudden, we found something. 288 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: You found remains, and you can see that there's some 289 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: some they're a little taken back by it, I can see. 290 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things here that this doesn't 291 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: add up to. To quizzes Devil Carson, you're the former 292 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: fed with the FBI, what do you make of the 293 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: NYPD Chief of Detectives is telling our friend Bill Ritter, 294 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: a lot of things don't add up to coincidence. Well, 295 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Nan I see. I have 296 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 1: cracked fugitives on the ground using dogs during my career, 297 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: and what we often find is they're right near where 298 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: they were last spotted. And if you will note that 299 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: the car that was returned to the laundry family was 300 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: only a short distance from where he was located, and 301 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: it's quite possible that he went there with the express 302 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: purpose of committing suicide. And if that's true, the first 303 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: place you look is right where the car was, and 304 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that's within the parameter. Additionally, there's no time seeing tape 305 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: around a tree, which tells me that strangulation or hanging 306 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: is not part of the equation here, at least as 307 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: far as they know today. Just trying to think it through, Cheryl, 308 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: because I like him having a hard time with all 309 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: the coincidences. I've been trained that there are no coincidences 310 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: in criminal law. The timing of when he goes missing, 311 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: when the parents call police about him missing, what they knew? 312 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Could this be framed? Could it be a setup? All 313 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: of those thoughts colliding, not just in my mind, but 314 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: apparently the NYPD Chief of Detectives, What do you make 315 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: of it? Well, it's like I said before, Nancy, think 316 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: about it. They go to the park only after it's 317 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: open to the public. The parents go right to a 318 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: spot within thirty minutes and find an item. The dad 319 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: picks it up, no gloves, doesn't went on law enforcement. 320 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: Law enforcement is standing there talking to the parents. They're 321 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: not wearing gloves. Mama hands the dry bag to the agent. 322 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: The agent walks off with it. But prior to that, 323 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: there's no tape up. And while the three of them 324 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: are standing on that little dirt road area talking, you 325 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: can hear the agent say, hey, y'all go back to 326 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: the house and I'll keep you updated after he shows 327 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: them whatever he does on the cell phone. But here 328 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: was the most critical thing to me. You're telling me 329 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: they have now found items. They are bringing in dogs in, 330 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: the medical examiner and everybody else. And down the road 331 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: here comes this man just walking his dog. That scene 332 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: was not secured in any way. The man walks by morning, 333 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: good to see you. Yeah, the dog, he's all happy 334 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: to see everybody jumping on the cameraman. It's the most 335 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: bizarre thing I've ever seen. Okay, let me go to you. 336 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: Mosta Saiedi investigative reporter joining us from w FLA, and 337 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: I believe it was Fox Digital that got that video 338 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: that shows exactly what Cheryl was talking about. Right in 339 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: the middle of it became a civilian walking a dog. 340 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: But remember this had been open to the public, so 341 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: why not. I'm just curious. Most of Saiedi I was watching, 342 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: and I watched it over and over and over. When 343 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: the parents were looking at the items, and I couldn't 344 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: tell they the mother, Roberta, brushed something off the father's face. 345 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if it was a tear, But then later 346 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: I saw the mother do her own face and I 347 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: couldn't tell if they were gnats or something buzzing around 348 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: them from all the heat and all the water. But 349 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: other than that gesture, which I could not decipher, there 350 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: seemed to be a little or no reaction at all 351 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: on the part of the laundries to finding what is 352 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: ostensibly items belonging to their son. So the attorney said 353 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: that the family was heartbroken. According to the attorney, we 354 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: know that when they were out there doing the search yesterday, 355 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement came up showed him a picture of the 356 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: backpack and they were like, yes, that is his backpack 357 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: and notified them that they would have to leave because 358 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: human remains were found. So maybe that's where you saw 359 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: that emotion. Maybe that is what was happening at the time, 360 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: like the moment they told them that human remains were found. 361 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: But I do want to just tell you what the 362 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: attorney is saying about why, you know, why the laundryes 363 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: like made this discovery. Basically said that the laundry thought 364 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: the FBI, the trackers, the dogs would find these items. 365 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: So again they said that they told the FBI back 366 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: on the seven teams to look under the bridge, so 367 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: they didn't you push to go out there sooner because 368 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: they thought that the dogs and such would find it. 369 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like people are wondering, you know, could they 370 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: have planted the backpack in the notebook. The attorney says, 371 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: that's hogwash. We know that the day before they had 372 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: left the house where you know, several hours, went to Walmart, 373 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: went to AT and T. We're not sure why, but 374 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: I don't think that they were at the park beforehand. 375 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: I think somebody would have seen that, and certainly I 376 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: don't think they planted human remains now according to the 377 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: medical examiner, within the next day or two, possibly we 378 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: could have a positive identify identification. But again the point 379 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm making is I don't think they planted the remains 380 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: there obviously, and I'm just wondering if we'll be able 381 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: to get a CID cause of death. Doctor Angel Arnold 382 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: Psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta, what do you make 383 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: of it? Well, first of all, Yancy Brian Laundry, is 384 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: we have determined I'm quite sure has what we call 385 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: an externalizing psychopathology, which is antisocial person analogy disorder, and 386 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: believe it or not, these people with this disorder can 387 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: commit suicide. Oftentimes we think that they don't commit suicide 388 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: because they're Part of their behavior is they're grandiose, they 389 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: think they're better than everybody. They're very controlling. But they 390 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: can also become depressed, and much research has shown that 391 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: they can be prone to suicide. But I have to wonder. 392 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: I have to wonder if he wasn't killed by something 393 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: else and then last touch with his parents somehow and 394 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't a suicide. That's what I don't know if 395 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: anybody else is wondering that, But that's what I'm wondering, 396 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: whether you mean killed by something else like a snake, 397 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: man him like an alligator. I mean, all we've been 398 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: told is human remains have been found. We have no 399 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: idea what the human remains are. But the entire time 400 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: that we've been discussing this case, we've been talking about 401 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: how treacherous the conditions are in that area, and how 402 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: you can't even survive because of the bugs. So I 403 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: have to wonder what happened to him. He could have 404 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: committed suicide. I don't know how. Of course, I don't 405 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: know how he would have done that. It's in his 406 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: personality disorder to commit suicide. But I'm also wondering if 407 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: something else happened. Okay, out to you, Joe Scott Morgan, 408 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: what's the likelihood we're ever going to get a cause 409 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: of death? It's it's gonna be tough. I'm not saying 410 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: that they're not going to get one. But this is 411 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: the problem that you encounter, Nancy. If there's no soft tissue, skin, muscle, 412 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, you can't examine the neck for 413 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: any kind of literature mark. Now you might you might 414 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to see a broken bone like the highoid. 415 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: But most of the time the highoid's gone really quick. 416 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: And if you're talking about toxicology after this period of time, 417 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: if his timeline matches up with roughly with the last 418 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: time he was seen, he's been down that long. In 419 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: a way, it's going to be very, very difficult to 420 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: do any kind of toxicological examination on him. Nancy. In 421 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: the last hours, we are learning more out the developments 422 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: that led to the discovery of what we believe to 423 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: be Brian Laundry's belongings and potential human remains. But why 424 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: now the coincidence of the parents. His parents just going 425 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: into this preserve and within a very brief time, less 426 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: than an hour, they find his belongings near his body. 427 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: This after cadaver dogs, scent dogs, drones, divers, a fleet 428 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: of police looking for Brian Laundry, and the parents find 429 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: him in less than an hour. Take a listen to 430 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: our cut three sixty six. This is their lawyer, Steve Bertolino, 431 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: speaking to our friends at CNN. Is the area that 432 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: they were searching when these discoveries were made? Is this 433 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: a new area that the parents hadn't informed authorities about before? No, 434 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: not at all. Indeed, This is the very area of 435 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: the park that we initially informed law enforcement on. I 436 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: believe it was September seventeenth that Bryan would be most 437 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: likely in the preserve in this particular area. As I know, 438 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: it neared the bridge. I think it's the bridge that 439 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: might connect the Mayacahachee Environmental Park with the Carlton Reserve. 440 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: Was this a very deep way or distance into the preserve? No, 441 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: Mister Laundry informed me that it was. It was quite 442 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: near the entrance. He didn't put an exact distance on it. 443 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: He put a time frame of about thirty minutes in, 444 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: but I would guess could be a mila too into 445 00:27:47,800 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: the preserve. To you, Moss SOCIETI was it a mile 446 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: in or two? It's really hard to tell. For two reasons. 447 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: We saw one, we weren't sure exactly where the discovery 448 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: was made. Flying from above, we know where we saw activity, 449 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: but we don't know if that's where officers law enforcement 450 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: they were just hanging out there, or if that is 451 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: exactly where the remains were found. What we are trying 452 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: to do is to pull up the address where the 453 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: Mustang was found and figure out how far away that 454 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: is to the bridge. Where the attorney is saying these 455 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: discoveries were made. But according to the attorney, it was 456 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: about one or two miles and thirty minutes, and there 457 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: is more. Take a listen again to the attorney's stamen. Bertolinos, 458 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: thinking to our friends at CNN, this is our three 459 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: sixty eight. Christian Roberto walked into the preserve his minderstanding 460 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: that they were followed closely by the two law enforcement personnel. 461 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: And when I say closely, certainly, and I shut And 462 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: as they went further in, Chris ventured off the trail 463 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: into the woods. He was zig zagging in different areas. 464 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: Law enforcement was doing the same thing, and Roberto Laundry 465 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: was walking down the trail and I believe that is 466 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: on some video to some other news outlet. At some point, 467 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: Chris locates what's called a dry bag. The dry bag 468 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: is a white bag laying in the woods I'll say 469 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: twenty feet or so off the trail. According to Chris, 470 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: it was in some brambles. Chris didn't want to pick 471 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: the bag up because he wanted to law enforcement to 472 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: see it. This was caught on camera. Chris couldn't find 473 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: the law enforcement because they were then out of sight, 474 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: because Chris had been in the woods, so he didn't 475 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: want to leave the bag there with the news reporter 476 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: standing yearby, so he picked it up. He did beat 477 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: up shortly with law enforcement. They looked at the contents 478 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: of the bag, looked at the contents of the bag. 479 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: Zig bagging out into the woods. Out to you, Cheryl McCollum. 480 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: Zig zagging out into the woods and use zigzag right 481 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: into the possessions and you're out of the eyesight of 482 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement. I mean, and again, the attorney says something 483 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: here that is so odd to me. The very people 484 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: that are their videotaping you would think, God, this is 485 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: gonna make it great. You know, here it is I'm 486 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: going to go get law enforcement or I'm gonna holler 487 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: for them or something. The attorney makes it seem like, 488 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, Chris Laundry didn't trust the video who person, 489 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: so he wanted to take the bag, he didn't want 490 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: to leave it. Well, again, that's odd to me. That's 491 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: a weird way to almost frame that sentence that you 492 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: don't trust the very people that are ensuring that, Hey, 493 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: this wasn't plan it. I mean, both of those things 494 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: can't be true straight out to doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists 495 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: joining us, Doctor Angie, if the notebook is in the 496 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: dry bag. At first I thought, oh no, the notebook 497 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: that could be Laundry's notebook is destroyed from being underwater. 498 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: Now I know it may have been in that white 499 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,959 Speaker 1: dry bag we saw, so I've got no doubt in 500 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: my mind. Now Brian Laundry most likely poured his innermost 501 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings into his notebook, just judging by what 502 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: I saw in his room at home at his parents' 503 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: home every time we saw him on the vlog that Gabby, 504 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: how he was reading or taking notes, very very introspective. 505 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: Do you think we will find out from that notebook 506 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: anything usable? What we could potentially find from that notebook 507 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: is how how his mood has been changing over the 508 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: course of the weeks that the country has been looking 509 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: for him. That's what I think they can They can 510 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: watch a change in his mood and demeanor by his 511 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: writing style and by the content. But the reality, the 512 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: reality to deal carson his mood, his mood. Do we 513 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: care about Brian Laundry's mood look, regardless of what his 514 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: parents have done or not done. Nobody wants to see 515 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: a parent suffer. But can we just get real for 516 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: a moment. Ryan Laundry's mood. I think he murdered Gabby. 517 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about his mood infested in that notebook. 518 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: There's all kinds of information in that notebook that relates 519 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: particularly to his behavior in the last six months, So 520 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: it's critical And even if it's wet, they'll still be 521 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: able to recover some of the writing, typically by use 522 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: of new technologies that also involve freezing it in a 523 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: vacuum in order to preserve the text. You're right, Explain 524 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: how that works, show, Scott Morgan. Yeah, what Dale is 525 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: referring to. First off, I think that more than likely 526 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: this notebook is going to be sent to somebody Dale's 527 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: very familiar with. It will go to the FBI crime 528 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: Lab to their question document a center. And what's going 529 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: to happen is that when this freezing takes place, they'll 530 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: be able to actually use alternative light sources, things like infrared, 531 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: this sort of thing to super enhance these pages. They're 532 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: going to cease this kind of breakdown that takes place 533 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: with the cellulose based paper, and it'll freeze it just 534 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: for a moment and they can actually photograph it and 535 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: begin to pull out the detail on the scene that's 536 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: going to be essential. They have some amazing ways to 537 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: make this writing come back to life, particularly nowadays as 538 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: opposed to the way it used to be. We're finding 539 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: out more, and of course you have to consider the source. 540 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: The source is the Longry family lawyer Stephen Bertolino speaking 541 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: to our friends at CNN. We're finding out more of 542 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: what he says, exactly what happened. Take a listener our 543 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: cut three six nine. Law enforcement officers showed him a 544 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement 545 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: had located, also nearby and also some distance off the trail. 546 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: At that point, the laundries were notified there was also 547 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: remains used the backpack, and they were asked to leave 548 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: the preserve. What do you make of the suggestion that 549 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: mister Laundry planted the bag and the backpack the nice 550 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: terms of hogwash? Would the authorities have known what they 551 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: walked onto the trail with. Absolutely, they met them at 552 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: the gate, wore somewhere nearby. They walked in with them. 553 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: And the more importantly christis is what I said. Fortunately 554 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: for the laundries, the press was following them in the 555 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: whole time, to Musso said, joining us at FLATV joining 556 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: us right there in Florida, mos. What was the Gabby 557 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: Petito family reaction to this. There has been nothing released 558 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: through their attorney, and I looked at their social media 559 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: pages late last night and they hadn't said anything. So, 560 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: assuming they're waiting until their remains are positively identified to 561 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: make a statement, I didn't want to just stay very quickly. 562 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: You know, my job is to hold people accountable, and 563 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: it's becoming more difficult to not think that law enforcement 564 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: dropped the ball here, assuming what the attorney is saying 565 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, they opened up a scene to 566 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: the public when human remains were very easy to find, 567 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: They didn't have eyes on Brian Laundry. Brian Laundry got away, 568 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: and now, according to the attorney, they knew back on 569 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: the thirteenth that he never returned, and they knew exactly 570 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: where he would likely be and they didn't find him. 571 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: So it's just becoming increasingly difficult to think that law 572 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: enforcement didn't make multiple mistakes in the situation. What's your 573 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: response to that, Cheryl McCall him, Well, the attorney, you know, 574 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: he hasn't wanted to keep his mouth shut the whole time, 575 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: but he didn't make it clear to anyone that the 576 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: family reported him missing. On the thirteenth, he says on 577 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: the videotape, he called law enforcement himself. So I can't 578 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: imagine you've let people believe that that Mama sat there 579 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: from the thirteenth through the seventeenth, not doing anything. So 580 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: that was one of the things that we factored in 581 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: to show that they must have knowledge of where he 582 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: is because they were going to Starbucks and cutting their grass. 583 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: So again it is baffling to me. You know, law 584 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: enforcement knows by the eleventh that she's missing, they know 585 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: the van is there, They've contacted Cassie and everybody else 586 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: by phone. They tell Mom and Dad were coming over 587 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: to the house. The FBI shows up on the seventeenth. 588 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: But again, like I have said it from the beginning, 589 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: nobody actually saw Brian. Nobody, not the FBI, not the 590 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: local police, not his attorney. And I will still say 591 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,919 Speaker 1: that attorney has only quoted Mom and Daddy. He's never 592 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: one time quoteed Brin because he's never met with him. 593 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: Miss leaving with Gabby Petito's family. Basically, no hope of 594 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: ever getting justice in a court of law. We wait 595 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: for that coroner's report and for a positive identification. Nancy 596 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: Grace Crimes story, signing off goodbye friend,