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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky

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Speaker 2: back with you. Buck. How are we doing, man.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm good, I am good. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: In the middle of the summer, like we're about to

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Speaker 1: hit it June. That means you've got a couple more

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Speaker 1: and before you know it, man, we'd be right back

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Speaker 1: at it.

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Speaker 2: Question for you, and we got a lot of ground

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Speaker 2: high school coach, there's been obviously this big focus on

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Speaker 2: where it used to be when we were growing up.

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Speaker 2: We did a little bit of seven on seven in

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Speaker 2: against other high schools and we got the chance to

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Speaker 2: run our plays with our coaches and our players, and

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Speaker 2: it actually led towards the season. Well, now we've got,

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Speaker 2: you know, an explosion of club seven on seven here,

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Speaker 2: AAU seven on seven whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 2: Have you had any issues with that? I know, I

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Speaker 2: guess maybe you're the wrong guy to ask, because you

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Speaker 2: thoughts are on how this has morphed and changed from

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Speaker 2: being a you know, high school run thing to being

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Speaker 3: So DJ going all the way back.

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Speaker 1: So at my previous school, we used to run I mean,

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Speaker 1: we called it a Club seven on seventeen, but it

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Speaker 1: two differences in seven oh seven. So there's Club seven

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Speaker 1: you go represent you put them in tournaments, and that's

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Speaker 1: your team. So my team would enter under my whatever.

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Speaker 1: My LLC was Big Play, inc. Right, so you put

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Speaker 1: big Play in. That's what we're doing. We got everybody

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Speaker 1: So I've never really had an issue with Clubs seven

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Speaker 1: If they get a look, you'll see trainers. You'll see

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's fascinating, and I think you can

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Speaker 2: find good and bad in both sides. But I think

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Speaker 3: It is a shift in the mindset.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes, man, you have to coach out some of

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Speaker 1: the individualism that occurs in the seven on seventh circuit.

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Speaker 1: And so you've seen it because you've come to the

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Speaker 3: But a lot of it is and you're talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I always listen to Dave Ramsey, who does financial

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Speaker 2: You better not call them. You got a change, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: going out to someplace else where. There's no communication, there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I learned this years ago.

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Speaker 1: Like it was funny because Modern Day which is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yes, we can enforce you adorse them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Get the work that they need, have no doubt. All right,

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Speaker 2: we're going to do a wide receiver draft. This is

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Speaker 2: Here we had draft who we would want on our

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Speaker 2: team next year. Not a lifetime achievement award. Nothing about

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Speaker 2: we work through that. Uh, something we've can continue to

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Speaker 2: right after this. All right, Buck, let's let's get this

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Speaker 2: for next year. I went first on quarterbacks, you went

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Speaker 2: first on running backs. My turn here wide outs again.

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Speaker 2: Who would you want on your team for the upcoming season?

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Speaker 2: And there's so many good white outs in this league

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna actually go with somebody who didn't

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Speaker 2: take Jamar Chase with my first pick. But that's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Mark Chase whide receiver one. Do you want to explain why.

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Speaker 2: All, I'll tell you why. I mean. To me, I

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Speaker 2: think it's it's the physicality to me that separates him.

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Speaker 2: There's other great ones to choose from him. You're talking

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Speaker 1: And I think the thing about this list DJ is

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Speaker 1: The number one receiver is the one that when you

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Speaker 3: Like, man, like, can't you do it? Because remember he

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Speaker 1: But to see how productive he's been, to see how

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Speaker 3: And just how good he really is.

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Speaker 1: And so you take Jamar Chase number one, how about

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Speaker 3: He talked about and.

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, I mean I think I got

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Speaker 1: He was like, I'm telling you, he is so much

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Speaker 1: Kid is special man, and you put him in the offense,

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Speaker 3: However you want to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, LSU goes one and two and I can't argue

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Speaker 2: went justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase a little bit of

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna think about it from a scouting report standpoint,

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Speaker 2: because he is a problem. He's some way that's going

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Speaker 2: playing against the Miami Dolphin. We can't we can't let

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Speaker 2: if and even when we don't do that, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: and he's gonna get you fifteen, twenty, forty, sixty, you

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Speaker 2: name it. He can go get it after the catch.

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Speaker 2: So to me, he's the most he'd be the receiver

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: And DJ his ascension to being one of the top

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Speaker 2: Runs like one hundred and seventeen balls or whatever last year,

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Speaker 1: His stop star quickness, his burst, and I'm to be honesty,

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Speaker 1: I think he's scarier now than he ever was the

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Speaker 1: So Yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: his heels, the way that he wins consistently against press coverage.

437
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 1: I think his last year I can talk about he

438
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: was solid with the Raiders, but his last two years

439
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: in Green Bay went Everyone knew Aaron Rodgers was gonna

440
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 1: find the way to get the ball to seventeen and

441
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 1: you still couldn't stop it. To me, that's when he

442
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 1: went next level. So Davante Adams is the guy that

443
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about near the top.

444
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Speaker 3: You talk about those four guys that we have.

445
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Speaker 1: There, Change Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams. Look, if we

446
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: put all those names in a hat and just randomly pick,

447
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: you'd be happy with any of those guys being the

448
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: number one receiver for your team.

449
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is again where I get

450
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 2: a chance to maybe go off the off the reservation

451
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: a little bit here. Maybe this isn't one that people

452
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 2: would have in this spot because there are so many

453
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: other good players to choose from. But I was doing,

454
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,360
Speaker 2: you know, thinking that some of these numbers to kind

455
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: of go along with what you see in the tape.

456
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 2: And this dude last year had a freaking unbelievably good year,

457
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 2: and I feel like somehow went under the raidar, which

458
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: I don't even know how that's possible. Concidering the team

459
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 2: that he plays for. Ceedee Lamb brought one hundred and

460
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: seven balls last year, and when you look at I

461
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: went through some of the PFF stuff explosives, right, So

462
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 2: if we're looking explosive plays, big plays. Number one in

463
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 2: the league Tyreek Hill, that's not not going to be

464
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Speaker 2: a surprise. Number two. One one ahead of Justin Jefferson

465
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 2: was Ceedee Lamb. So you had forty eight explosives out

466
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Speaker 2: of him last year and Dak, you know, being a

467
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: little bit up and down coming back. I think Ceedee

468
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: Lamb has a monster year. I remember how much we

469
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 2: both loved him coming out because of the route running,

470
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 2: because of the companness, the physicality the run after catch,

471
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 2: which is excellent. I'm betting on a guy who's coming

472
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: off of a really good year. I think he takes

473
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: it to another level this year. So I'll go Ceedee

474
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Speaker 2: Lamb with my third pick.

475
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Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting pick. And the thing about

476
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb that is.

477
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 3: Remarkable.

478
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: He had twenty four catches over twenty yards and DJ's

479
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: one of those things that you talked about people not

480
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: really paying attention to how good he was and what

481
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Speaker 1: he was able to do. I mean, you're talking about

482
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: a tremendous playmaker on the perimeter, and you're right, Dak

483
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: Prescott played with that broken thumb and so it impacted

484
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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb's numbers.

485
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: He's a good get. Now I'm stuck here because this

486
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 3: is tough man. You talk about, just lots of options.

487
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to go with the old man, and

488
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with Stefan Diggs and Stefan did

489
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: has been in the league for a while. You saw

490
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: the impact that he had immediately on Josh Allen when

491
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: he joined the Buffalo Bills. He continues to be a

492
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: special playmaker at the position because he's such a creative

493
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: route runner, eleven touchdowns last year. The guy consistently gets open.

494
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: He can do it in a few different ways, but

495
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Speaker 1: he is big time. When he comes to being the

496
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Speaker 1: number one, you have to commit a double team to him.

497
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: If not, he'll wear you.

498
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: Out just with his his tempo, his pace, his ability

499
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: to just get open in space. Big time playmaker. So

500
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take him with my third pick.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, his numbers are excellent too when you

502
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: look at a lot of the other stuff. I look,

503
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Speaker 2: I was doing it kind of some research on the

504
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: on the NNGS stuff, on the next gen stat stuff

505
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, and just playing around different receiver things,

506
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Speaker 2: and I put in a couple different stats where I

507
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: was looking for. Okay, give me guys that lined up outside,

508
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: so take away all the inside stuff red zone like

509
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: targets and touchdowns on the outside, so you're winning on

510
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: the outside, which is difficult to do when the space

511
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: gets shrunk down like that. Stefan Diggs, he had ridiculous

512
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: numbers inside the red zone on the outside. Like that's

513
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: that's real deal stuff, man, So no issues with that one.

514
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: They're all right. My fourth pick, I'm gonna go aj Brown.

515
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 3: Oh Man, yeah, gosh.

516
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: I thought about him. To me, I was kind of

517
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: going back with him and Ceedee Lamb. But AJ Brown,

518
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: here's a number for you as we as we sort

519
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: through some of these stats. I thought was interesting when

520
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: you look at after the catch Buck mistackles forced number

521
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: one debo right by a significant margin. Who we haven't

522
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: got to yet. Garrett Wilson was number two. He was

523
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: tied at number two though with AJ Brown, who is

524
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: four over Jamar Chase. Now Jamar Chase missed some games,

525
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 2: so he probably would have been a little bit higher.

526
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: But Aj we know what he can do over the

527
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: top going to getting the ball. We saw it with

528
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: big plays. But to me, it's what he does catch

529
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: and run that makes him special. It's what he was

530
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: coming out of college. It's what he continues to be.

531
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 2: He's a quarterback's best friend because he gives you easy

532
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: completions in terms of explosive plays.

533
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: DJ. It's so funny because I think he's still one

534
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: of the most slept on wide receivers in the National

535
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: Football League. So you talked about the next gen stats

536
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: and the stuff that's below the surface, but I'm gonna

537
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: just look at the regular stats. Fourteen hundred and ninety

538
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: six yards. He had eleven touchdowns. He had twenty three

539
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: receptions of twenty plus yard. But I think the stat

540
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: that is surprising because when you look at aj Brown,

541
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't think most people see him as a burner.

542
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: He has six receptions of over forty yards.

543
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: And so you combine that big play element with the

544
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: fact that he had the second most rack yards I

545
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: mean jackyards by a wide receiver Justin Jefferson was first.

546
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: He was second. He had five hundred and forty eight.

547
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: So this guy can do it as a look man.

548
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: We talk about three level players short, intermediate, deep. He

549
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: can do all those things. Size, physicality, toughness. He has

550
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: that man really good player. I think he's man. I

551
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: just think people would just really sleep on how good

552
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: and how talented, how impactful he.

553
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: Is as a play.

554
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: We've got some good options left here, man, like this.

555
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of good whiteouts and gonna aren't gonna

556
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: make this ten here.

557
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people that are gonna

558
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: be mad at us because you can talk about like

559
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: different stuff and we're trying not to. I feel like

560
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: somehow I got settled with all the old men but I'm.

561
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: Gonna take a young guy.

562
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with. Oh I said I was gonna

563
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: go with it. I guess I can go with Garrett Wilson.

564
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go with Garret Wilson. I'm gonna go

565
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: Garret Wilson. Wow.

566
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. You talk yourself into that one, nice, okay,

567
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: because we'll see if you pick the guy next.

568
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: I'm making no, I'm making a note.

569
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: To myself to talk about this guy because this guy

570
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: has quietly kind of said an NFL record. But like

571
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: Garret Wilson DJ, we've talked about in the last couple

572
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: of years how we kind of made the move that

573
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: we wanted the route run of the craftsman, the skill

574
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: guy that understands how to run routes, timing, and those

575
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: things more so than the explosive athlete, because over time

576
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: we've seen the craftsmens are the ones that get open

577
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Garrett Wilson has already

578
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: shown that ability, and I am really surprised that as

579
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: a slender framed guy that he was able to have

580
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: so much success right away when now you put him

581
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: with a quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who knows how to get

582
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: the ball to those guys who understand how to get

583
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: open on their route running ability and creating space, and

584
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: so Gary Wilson's numbers shit explode this year. To me,

585
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: he is a really sleek, slender number one receiver, but

586
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: he's one that you have to respect because if you

587
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: leave him one on one, he's gonna find a way

588
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: to get open and get and work you over. And

589
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: the fact that he did the last year with poor

590
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: quarterback play, what could the numbers look like this year?

591
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: I think you better get ready for some mind bogged

592
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: the numbers from Gary Wilson.

593
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: If Aaron Rodgers is able to stay.

594
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: Healthy, yeah, he's a one man. He's a true one

595
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of other good options. When

596
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: we look at what's left here, you think about we

597
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: talked about Debo. He hasn't gone Jayalen Waddle. You look

598
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: at the numbers, Amena Saint Brown caught a million balls.

599
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: T Higgins who we love, DK Metcalf we know with

600
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: the physicality that he brings to the table. I think

601
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: you get a Mariy Cooper, Keenan Allen, Tyler Lockett types

602
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: or just you know, premium route runners I mean, Terry McLaurin,

603
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, you can go on and on. De hop

604
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: we'll see what he does, where he lands, what he

605
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: looks like this year. But Buck, I've been watching just

606
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: finished up the ted Lasso series, so watch the series finale,

607
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: and that one of the things that he always said

608
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: on there was he gotta have you got to be

609
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: a goldfish. You gotta have short term memory, right, you

610
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: got to be able to change it. I think we're

611
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: being goldfish in this regard. We have a wide receiver

612
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: who almost had two thousand yards a year ago. You know,

613
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: he was hurt last year, he only played seven games.

614
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup had over nineteen hundred yards one hundred and

615
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: forty whatever catches he had with a healthy season and

616
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: a healthy you know quarterback situation went on and was

617
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl and was you know, uncover ball

618
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: on the biggest moments on the biggest stage to win

619
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: a championship. So maybe even slighter, feel slighter that he's

620
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: still out there at this point in time. But I've

621
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: got Cooper Cup coming back healthy and expecting a monster

622
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: season from him.

623
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: Man, it's so funny, DJ, because you're right, it is

624
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: so Okay, so we started the conversation off on the

625
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: podcast about seven on seven culture. I would say that

626
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: what we're seeing now is the result of the seven

627
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: on seven culture for the last decade. The wide receivers

628
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: that are coming into the National Football League have never

629
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: been more prepared and more ready to play than at

630
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: any other time in National Football League history. We're seeing

631
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: these guys have instant impacts. And the reason they can

632
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: have impact is because the number of reps that they've

633
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: taken throughout their high school and collegiate careers has made

634
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: them ready to be stars immediately in the National Football League.

635
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: And so Cooper Cup is a guy that I had

636
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: a chance to watch. I had a chance to not

637
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: only watch him kind of grow, but I had a

638
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: chance to watch him teach young guys. So it makes

639
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: sense for him to be there now. You talked about

640
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: being a goldfish and how quickly we forget things. I

641
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: think this year we would be reminded how special Calvin

642
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Ridley is and.

643
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 2: I already forgotten about him.

644
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Brought Yeah, I'm I'm being a bit of a homer,

645
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: but I had an opportunity last week to go watch him,

646
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and I am telling you DJ He is every bit

647
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: of good as a top five wide receiver that we

648
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: have seen. Route running, ability, hands, playmaking.

649
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: He has all of that. I think people forget how.

650
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Good he was having to replace Julio Jones when Julio

651
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: Jones got hurt and then having to anchor that. I

652
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: know he's been away from two years, but I think

653
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: by the end of twenty twenty three we'll be talking

654
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Speaker 1: about Calvin Ridley being one of the premiere wide receivers

655
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: in the league. And he has a quarterback in Trevor

656
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: Lawrence that he's going to help go from good to great.

657
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley's the top five guy. That's why I'm taking

658
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: it with my last pick.

659
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: I like it.

660
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: I like it, so you can't just go chalk here.

661
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: We got to go off a little bit, and that's

662
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: what we did. I think I probably went ceedee lamb

663
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 2: earlier than people expected. You brought Calvin Ridley back end

664
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Speaker 2: of the discussion. So I mean, again, still a bunch

665
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: of good guys that we didn't pick here. But that

666
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: just tells you where the wide receiver position is. It's healthy, right,

667
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: I know, because Mike Mike Evans.

668
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: Mike Evans has nine straight one thousand yard seasons and

669
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Speaker 1: I couldn't put them in there.

670
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: He was one of the guys, and I was like,

671
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm gonna be so mad.

672
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: But it's not a lifetime achievement where we're talking about

673
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: here and now I think this list with these young guys, Man,

674
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: young guys certainly understand how to get open and they

675
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: have made it happen from day one. I am really

676
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Speaker 1: impressed with the receivers that continue to come in to

677
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: the league. It's the reps, man, it's the reps from

678
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: seven to seven clubs, Scholaska.

679
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 3: Everyone to do it.

680
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: They're catching the ball early and off and because of that,

681
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: they're coming to the league more polished in it.

682
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: Yep, no doubt. All right, let's let's as we wrap

683
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Speaker 2: things up here, let's switch gears. Let's get to a

684
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Speaker 2: little hits and missus a little obscure today, Buck, as

685
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Speaker 2: we get to the twenty eighteen drafts. So I'm not

686
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Speaker 2: liking your chances of getting these. So I'm not going

687
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: to give you a long time on these because I think, oh.

688
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: I got a quick buzzer, I got a quick quick buzz.

689
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: They're kind of difficult. So I just you know, I

690
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: want to now we can. It's more about the discussion

691
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: we can have about those players and why they you know,

692
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: why they were slept on or overrated, however you want to.

693
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: Look at it.

694
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 2: Here, are you ready to roll? He let's do it

695
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: all right, Let's start with the first one here. This

696
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: was I'm gonna do the two hits, So I'm gonna

697
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: go with the tight end first of all. And this

698
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: is a tight end who was a big physical tight end.

699
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: He was six zero four five two fifty six. Gave

700
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: him a really good grade. He was my forty first

701
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: overall player. I compared him to Jason Witten. I said,

702
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: he can play in line, you can use him in

703
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: the slot, you can split him out. He's he's kind

704
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: of will wrestle you in the run game with his

705
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: upper He's got speed down the scene. He's got some quickness,

706
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: he can separate, he's got natural hands, a ton of

707
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: contested catches. I think you've seen this guy's emergence over

708
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: the last couple of years where he's kind of quietly

709
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: emerged as one of the premier tight ends in the NFL,

710
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: on one of the premier teams in the NFL.

711
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Speaker 1: So I'm guessing, can we go Dallas Goddard from the

712
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles.

713
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I gotta give it to you. I didn't know

714
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: if you had that. I didn't know if you had

715
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: that one in your bag. Again, I said it was

716
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit, a little bit obscure. But

717
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard has been a really, really good football player,

718
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: and to me, you look at at the value that

719
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: they got with him and what he's turned out to be.

720
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a big Dallas Goddard fan, and I

721
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: thought the Philadelphia Eagles they got that one right.

722
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: So and thinking about that thing, I think Doug Peterson

723
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: was still there obviously, and so it was about the

724
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: multiple tied end sets. So you think about zach Ertz,

725
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: Dallas got it. They basically went and got a clone

726
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: of zach Ertz, but maybe with a better blocker, and

727
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: they took him from a small school and they were

728
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: able to put him on the field right away. And

729
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: we've seen zach Erks departs, he ascends to the number

730
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: one role, it continues to have tremnious success. He's a

731
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: really good football player, and I think what you learn

732
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: from him when you're looking at small school guys, the

733
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Speaker 1: guys that are not coming out of the power group

734
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Speaker 1: of five schools. You're looking for guys that can dominate,

735
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: and he dominated during his time at South Dakota State.

736
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Speaker 1: He continued to dominate International Football League. He has been

737
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Speaker 1: a solid, I mean more than solid player for the

738
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Speaker 1: Field AF Eagles and one of the best players at

739
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: the tiden position in the league.

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Speaker 2: He was the forty ninth pick, so he was my

741
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: forty first guy, was a forty ninth pick and has

742
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: had a nice run on it here for the Eagles.

743
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: Got paid all those things again, lessons to me. I

744
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: think you mentioned, you know, he should dominate at that

745
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: level of competition, which he did. And I think he's

746
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: got some traits. You know, we talk about somebody that's

747
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: six to zero four or five t hundred and fifty

748
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: six pounds could not run because he wasn't healthy, but

749
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: you could see it on tape. He could really run.

750
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: So you've got the traits to go along with that position,

751
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: which is something we've hammered home. All right, this is

752
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: a corner. This is a corner who was my sixteenth

753
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: overall player. He was five ten to two, so a

754
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: little over ten, one hundred and ninety six pounds. Excellent

755
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: mirror in match, he played with swagger. He was very

756
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: comfortable and off coverage. He's a physical tackler, played a

757
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: little bit in the slot he got sixty nine snaps

758
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: in the slot in twenty sixteen, but a real fluid,

759
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: easy mover who was tough and competitive. This was my

760
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: sixteenth overall player and he's been one of the best

761
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: corners in the NFL.

762
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Speaker 1: Ooh, sixteenth overall player. So initially I was a little trick.

763
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking Denzel war but how about Yarry Alexander?

764
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: Maybe believe you got Jayiria Alexander And what pick was he? Buck?

765
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Speaker 2: You've got that in front of him.

766
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: He's actually eighteen.

767
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he had him a couple of spots ahead

768
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: of where he went, and he ended up being a

769
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: home run pick, as I'm sure the bial with the

770
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: co signed there as our resident Packer fan. But the

771
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: lesson on that one that I took away go back

772
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: and say, Okay, I really love the movement skills. There's

773
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: been other guys with movement skills that you love that

774
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: haven't hit Buck. The corners that will hit you and

775
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: are tackling all tough, and we could say it's a look,

776
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: it's a passing league. I don't care what these guys

777
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: do against the run. I'm telling you, And you go

778
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: back and look at the hit rate. Soft athletic corners

779
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: have don't have a great hit rate in this league anymore.

780
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: Because you're to get pulled into the run game, you're

781
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: gonna have to tackle on some of these quick hitting

782
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: throws that you're gonna see every week. If you aren't

783
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: tough and competitive at corner, I'd be a little bit buyer. Beware.

784
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: This dude had the movement skills but also had the

785
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: toughness to match it.

786
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the toughness is everything.

787
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: And you know, we gave a lot of people passes

788
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: based on the quote unquote prime rule where they were like, oh,

789
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: he's a cover corner.

790
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: He's a cover corner. He's a cover corner.

791
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: Where there aren't that many guys that cover well enough

792
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: that you can ignore the lack of physicality, toughness and

793
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: tackling ability. And now some prerequisent you have to be

794
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: able to tackle on the perimeter because guys are throwing

795
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: so many bubble screens and so many one on one

796
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: isolation plays to wide receivers that weigh two hundred, two

797
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds.

798
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: You got to be able to get him down.

799
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: Alexander is not only one of the best cover guys,

800
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: but he is tenacious when it comes up to tackling

801
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: and being a factor on the perimeter.

802
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the missus here. This is

803
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: a linebacker who was a mid round pick. I gave him,

804
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: you know what, to like, a solid backup with the

805
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: potential to start. But would have put him, you know,

806
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: probably in that fifth round range. If you look at

807
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: where I would have had him slotted, uh six zho

808
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: three three two thirty six. This is someone who played

809
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: over the slot as a linebacker in college, a little

810
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: bit on the edge. Was a very smooth and fluid mover.

811
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: Had seven career interceptions, which should have alerted me. But

812
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: I say he's a little bit more of a finesse

813
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: linebacker than a physical linebacker. And he has gone on

814
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: after being a mid round pick. Two emerges, if not

815
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: the best linebacker in the league. H you know, he's

816
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: he's in a list of three other guys at most.

817
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: He's been that good.

818
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: Wow.

819
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: See now, at first I didn't know where we were going.

820
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: But then I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, you said best

821
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: linebacker in.

822
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: The league, so maybe this Fred Warner, Fred.

823
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: Warner, Buck, You're on a roll man. I wonder if

824
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: everybody listening is getting his highest score on this as

825
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: you are. You doing really well in this episode of

826
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Speaker 2: the wiki page.

827
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: Is helping me like I'm trying to find and then

828
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: and then you're giving You're giving good clues.

829
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: So I feel like what I mean, But that was

830
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: the beginning. Remember, we uh, this was one of those

831
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: lessons that we collectively talked about and that we tried

832
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: to adapt, which is it is the linebacker position in

833
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: the NFL right now is a run, cover, hit position.

834
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: So if you can't cover, you can't play like you

835
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: can't hide them anymore. Out there. We talked about corners.

836
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: Corners have to be more physical than we used to

837
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: when we scattered them, and linebackers have to be more

838
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: agile and athlete than we used to need from them

839
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: at the position fifteen twenty years ago.

840
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I mean, that's the thing you remember.

841
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I just remember sitting in all those meetings

842
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: we talked about can they take on can they get off.

843
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: Can they do that?

844
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: Man, you don't even get a chance to get into

845
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: that conversation. If you're not fast and athletic and have

846
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: the ability to be a fact against the passing game

847
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: you really have. I mean, it's hard to have a

848
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: use for you because teams are not running to football

849
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: like that. And so Fred Warner is one of those

850
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: new school linebackers that's been able to really come in

851
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: the league and make an impact right away. And then

852
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: you think about what they're able to do. Then it's

853
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: him and Dreg Greenlaw. They athletic, fast playmaking productives.

854
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 2: Become physical, Like his body has morphed and changed since

855
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: he's been in the league, and he is now you know,

856
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: he has that physicality to go along with the range

857
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: and the coverage ability and the intelligence. He always had

858
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: those things, but man, he's become a physical player.

859
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: And then DJ, I think some of that is also

860
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: knowing your room, because I believe peer pressure can impact

861
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: the player.

862
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: If you put Fred.

863
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Warner in a room full of dogs and the rest

864
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: of your defensive stuff, no one who is proud who

865
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: wants to turn them to tape and be looked at

866
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: as the weak link. When it comes to physicality, and

867
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: so some of that is knowing the competitiveness of the player,

868
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: but some of that is also knowing.

869
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: The environment that you've created.

870
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: If you have a tough, hard nosed room, you can

871
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: get players that maybe are not as edgy to play

872
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: with the edge that you need.

873
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's get to the last one here. Uh,

874
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: this is another one I was too low on. Gave

875
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: actually the same grade that I gave Fred Warner. But

876
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: this is a wide out, big, huge, white out six

877
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: oh four five two twenty seven.

878
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

879
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: Plays outside uses size to win down the red zone,

880
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: around the goal line, power after the catch, not real sudden,

881
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: excellent tunnel screens, quick hitters. I wrote tight end question

882
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: mark with that frame. It took a minute. He's developed

883
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: into a good wide receiver. He got a nice, nice

884
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: contract to change teams here in the offseason, and uh,

885
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: he'll be with a quarterback that he's familiar with. So

886
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.

887
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: And I man, you just kind of put it out there.

888
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go Iowa State standout is that is going?

889
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you sat there and teed it up.

890
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: He said. He said he's going to his old quarterback

891
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: he got paid. I mean, it's only so many guys

892
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:52,959
Speaker 3: who got.

893
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: Paid in the off season, Alan Lazzari, maybe I'm making

894
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: I'll make it harder for you next time.

895
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it, Like if we're doing

896
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: is a two thousand dollars pyramid? He would be, all right,

897
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: So what do we learn?

898
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: I'll tee it up to you. What do we learn

899
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: on an evaluation like that one you just heard? What

900
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: you know? It's not when I look at when I

901
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: give you these notes, a lot of them, it's you know,

902
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: shouldn't be It's not even really opinion. It's when you

903
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: watched him, like this is what he did well? These

904
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: were the questions, not super explosive and fast. You know,

905
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: what's the lesson there? What do you learn from that?

906
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, the lesson that I learned with Allen Lazard, A

907
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with like who he is.

908
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: But then the quarterback that he played with, you know,

909
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers makes it where you can take him because

910
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: he's always going to fit it in the mailbox, and

911
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: so he allowed him to play to his strengths. I

912
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: Al also would say that it depends on what else

913
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: you have in the wide receiver corps. We've talked about

914
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: building your wide receiver corps like a basketball team, So

915
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: there's a place for the power forward.

916
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: If you have some other guys that can run around

917
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: and create space and do all that other stuff. And

918
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: his role.

919
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: When Alan Lazard came into the league, the expectation wasn't

920
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: for him to be a number one or even a

921
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: number two receiver. You're talking about number three, number four.

922
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Can he do some other stuff? And so he has

923
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: been able to find a way to kind of settle

924
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: into his role. The trick now would be when he

925
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: goes to the Jets, can he step up a run

926
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: of the ladder and become more than what he was

927
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: with the Packers, because as a challenge to go from

928
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver four to y to wide receiver three, and

929
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: to go from three to two as another challenge. He

930
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the number one of the Jets

931
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: because that's Garrett Wilson, But can he be the guy

932
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: on the backside that when they take Garrett Wilson away,

933
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: Can he be effective enough to make defenses get out

934
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: of some of the double covers tactics on Wilson?

935
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's also something to be said, smart

936
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: and tough, like he's always gonna be where he's supposed

937
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: to be when he's supposed to be there. The separations

938
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: created by the quarterback, not the receiver, but when you

939
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 2: have Aaron Rodgers. So that is what you're the point

940
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: you were making. So I think those are some of

941
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: the things you can take away from that. But I

942
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: think you have to say, I'm gonna ask he's gonna

943
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: be a five hole hitter. We're gonna ask him to

944
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: do these specific things, like you have to have that

945
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: mapped out if you think he's going to come in

946
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 2: there and be you're one or maybe even a pure two.

947
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, we'll see. We'll see how that works out.

948
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: And does that translate to all, you know, thirty two

949
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: teams now, I don't think so. But if you have

950
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: a plan for him and you have a role for him,

951
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 2: he's dominated in that role.

952
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he certainly is dominated in the role and a

953
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: lot of it. DJ. We talk about fit.

954
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: How do you not only fit in with the coach

955
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: in the team environment, how do you fit into the

956
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: scheme and how do you fit in with the quarterback?

957
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 3: How do you fit in with the quarterback that he's playing. Trust, Yeah,

958
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: I mean it.

959
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: Works now because you have Aaron Rodgers coming over and

960
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: so they have the chemistry and connection. Would it be

961
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: the same if someone else's playing quarterback. Well, we'll see

962
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: what that looks like.

963
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: There you go.

964
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. Man, there's our hits and messes.

965
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: We've knocked out a little wide receiver draft, had a

966
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: little fun seven on seven discussion as well. Any other

967
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: ground you want to hit hare buck as we as

968
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: we depart.

969
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: No, I think we'll save some of these other discussions

970
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: for the next time. I think we eventually will have

971
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers tell all well in terms of the

972
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: stuff that he's guys hearing out.

973
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: I was gonna we were gonna do that discussion and

974
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: until we get it, we'll get to hit with And

975
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: we did all our homework on that, and I got sidetracked.

976
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you one question on seven on seven.

977
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: We went for ten minutes on seven on seven because

978
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: I was fascinated by we'll get to uh, all right,

979
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: we'll get that. We'll get there in Rodgers next week.

980
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: We'll catch up on that one. Some interesting comments from

981
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: him in an article on the athletic. If you haven't

982
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: seen it, I would encourage you to do that. All right,

983
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for it To say, hope you

984
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: guys have enjoyed it. We will see you next time.

985
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: Right here on. Move the sticks.