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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to technically officially

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Speaker 1: the first episode of the twenty twenty five MLB offseason.

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Speaker 1: The Los Angeles Dodgers are your World Series champions. Take

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Speaker 1: down the Yankees in five games, big comeback in Game five,

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Speaker 1: Yankees choked. Whatever you want to say. The Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are the World Series Champions. Pete Alonso is literally

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Speaker 1: not a New York met at the time of recording.

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Speaker 2: And by soa is not a New York Yankey.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and honestly that's a huge part of this episode.

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Speaker 1: Wan Soto is a free agent. Pete Alonzo is a

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Speaker 1: free agent. The Dodgers win the World Series. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things to learn from the Dodgers. I know

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Speaker 1: James went deep into the notes when they were up

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Speaker 1: three to zero, and he's got a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about here. This is an organization you want to mimic.

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Speaker 1: This is an organization you want to be. I know

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Speaker 1: we've made jokes in the past about how the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: haven't had a real world series since nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: It's over. It's done one day one in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: There are no asterisks. There are no caveats, there's nothing.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers are the best team in baseball. They won

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Speaker 1: the World Series, took down the Yankees, who were the

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Speaker 1: Ale Central champions. We're gonna talk about everything as we

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Speaker 1: always do, and talk about a little bit Mets too.

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Speaker 1: So hope you guys who enjoyed this episode. If you do,

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Speaker 1: and subscribe. James, I honestly I saw you at the bar.

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Speaker 1: We'd been hanging out. We were watching with some friends.

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Speaker 1: A couple of Yankee fans see their hearts ripped out

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Speaker 1: of their chest as they choke away a five notzering

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Speaker 1: lead Garrett Colefrey has to cover first base because he's

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Speaker 1: an idiot. I didn't know you were wearing a purple

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Speaker 1: sweater this entire night. I literally thought it was almost

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Speaker 1: slate colored. Mind boggling to me to see this right now, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think just your kind of fucking colorblinde but the

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Speaker 2: masterclass in blowing a game from both of these teams

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Speaker 2: in game five of this year. So it's unbelievable. Happy

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Speaker 2: Halloween to everybody as well. Happy Halloween. Recording this yeah

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Speaker 2: late at night, so happy Halloween to everybody out there.

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Speaker 2: But for the Dodgers to go through this game and

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Speaker 2: and more or less punk Game four, go Ben Casparius,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Hudson gives up the Grand Slam. Wait, let me finish,

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Speaker 2: Let me fucking finish, Let me finish. Daniel Hudson gives

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Speaker 2: up the Grand Slam. Landon Knak Brandon honey Brand Honeywell

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Speaker 2: for the rest of the game in a one run,

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Speaker 2: two run game. Let that shit go by, and then

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Speaker 2: to come out in Game five, have Blake Trianion throw

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Speaker 2: the most pitches of any pitcher in your staff in

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Speaker 2: a single game and to backdoor win because Aaron Judge

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Speaker 2: Anthony Rizzo and Garrett Cole can't figure out who's that

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Speaker 2: first base? Like that is that's amazing shit love watching

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Speaker 2: the achy choke of the way. Can't believe the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: back door their first real world series in almost through

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Speaker 2: the years, but I just it was watching that game,

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Speaker 2: it was it was kind of a battle between who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I into the bar. I think like the third

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Speaker 1: inning with you guys, and it was already three nothing.

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Speaker 1: I think they just hit the next home run or whatever.

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Speaker 1: They got the fourth run in Jazz and you looked

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Speaker 1: at me and you were like, this game's over, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, he means it. Time to live. Bet

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers got him at plus four seventy and the

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Speaker 1: rest is history. Paid for my uber home, which was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I love to do. That's one of my favorite things

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Speaker 1: you get a free ride back. There's nothing like it.

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Speaker 1: And boy, oh boy, the Dodgers coming back against the

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Speaker 1: Yankees in that fashion, like you said, was phenomenal. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not happy that the Dodgers won the

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Speaker 1: intolerable year and what was a phenomenal year for the Mets,

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Speaker 1: a great year for US Mets fans, something that there's

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I can sleep well

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Speaker 1: and the true World Series was the NLCS.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. But it's also just so ridiculous

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Speaker 2: that Dave Roberts royally absolutely fucked these last two days.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 1: I I'll say this, I think he's getting a bad

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Speaker 1: Game four was fine. Game five. But here's where it

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Speaker 1: Game five, you can't have Jack Flaerity throw win in.

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Speaker 1: You just can't. But also, at the same time they

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Speaker 1: won the game, does he.

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Speaker 2: Took him out? Taking Jack Flairy out in the moment

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Speaker 2: won then the game? Truthfully? Because Yankees are all over

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Speaker 2: him because he didn't let Jack Flair, they do what

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Speaker 2: the metsic Game five, which was give up eight runs.

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Speaker 2: But then he just led the parade of his best

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Speaker 2: reason that he got back into this game was because

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Speaker 2: the Yankees literally diary down their leg in the fifth inning,

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Speaker 2: blew a five nothing lead when they should have taken

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Speaker 2: garakolap because they should have been thinking about the galaxy brain,

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Speaker 2: how can I win the seven game series? The best

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Speaker 2: case story. I'm serious. He got through the top of

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Speaker 2: the other twice. It was a perfect Seavy situation right there.

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Speaker 2: You could have put him on ice. He would have

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Speaker 2: been ready for another seventy pitches in Game seven. Taking

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Speaker 2: Not he blew the game, but the team blew the

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Speaker 1: If you lose five men blew the game. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you lose in five, if you lose in six,

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Speaker 2: if you lose in seven, it's the exact same outcome.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's all about maximizing your chance to

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Speaker 2: And again those were lievers who I thought would have

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Speaker 2: I thought was funny, But I don't know. I thought,

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Speaker 2: I literally thought that was the best move for the

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Speaker 2: Yankees to try and give himself the best win probability

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Speaker 2: for the series. While also on the other side, Dave

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Speaker 2: Roberts caught unbelievable amount of luck if he would have

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Speaker 2: not gotten those free five runs. Oh then I don't

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Speaker 2: everything went on. Blake try And throws forty two pitches.

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Speaker 2: Who knows the rest of Blake Tryon's career. Looks like

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Speaker 2: I have to thrown the forty two pitches of this

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Speaker 2: about Walker Bueler in a little bit about where he

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Speaker 2: is in the free agent class. These pitching, I think

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Speaker 2: it's changed a lot over the last two weeks. But

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Speaker 2: hats off the both of these teams mostly has off

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Speaker 1: They get no hats off. Fuck them. They beat the

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Speaker 1: AL Central. They're the Ale Central champions.

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Speaker 2: It was, it was, It was again. Yankees fans would

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was one of the closest five game series ever seen.

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Speaker 2: It was right. They were in every game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they really love to show up in

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Speaker 1: the ninth inning, except in today's game, in Game five,

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Speaker 1: like it is, it does feel great that the three

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Speaker 1: Rizzo on that ground ball by Mookie Bets which would

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Speaker 1: three hundred million dollar man, he made that great play

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Speaker 1: in center field earlier in the game. He hit that

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Speaker 1: two run home run early in the game, but he

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Speaker 1: scored five runs and they ended up giving six outs

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Speaker 1: It was phenomenal. I don't know. Did you catch it

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Speaker 1: in that inning too? I think Soto caught the last

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Speaker 1: Did you catch that?

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Speaker 2: And now you're mentioning I do remember that, and that's

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Speaker 2: kind of funny. And maybe it's a little foreshatoting for

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Speaker 2: the future because now the big story thinking about the

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Speaker 2: We're ready to go. And there were a lot of

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Speaker 2: very carefully chosen words by one Sola after the game,

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Speaker 2: especially saying that every team is available for him. The

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Speaker 2: which is amazing. It's fair. It seems like everything is fair.

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Speaker 2: It seems like he kind of got to the end

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of comments in our YouTube sect

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Speaker 1: who are saying it said that oh, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: on our video when we talked about we were answering

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Speaker 1: that you guys feel comfortable to interact with us and

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Speaker 1: please continue. But in the same ilk, what fucking planet

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Speaker 1: do you think Juan Soto isn't the most important player

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Speaker 1: that could ever possibly come to this New York Mets

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Speaker 1: franchise in the last thirty forty years. I mean, he is,

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Speaker 1: without a doubt, a generational talent. We were looking at

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Speaker 1: someone who will go down as long as things continue

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Speaker 1: on the path that he's on as one of the

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Speaker 1: We're talking Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, Lou Garrig, those guys.

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Speaker 1: What he's doing is unbelievable. And this Yankees team, I

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Speaker 1: remind you, he's fucking bad without Juan Soto. This is

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Speaker 1: a team that might not make the postseason without Juan Soto.

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Speaker 1: He walked into this franchise, he walked into this lineup

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Speaker 1: he changed the culture, he changed the dynamic. He gave

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Speaker 1: a great ball player. I know there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: lot of trash talked about how he disappeared. The lights

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Speaker 1: Can you remember who was trade from Manny Machado when

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Speaker 2: Taoskar's signed for less. And then a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are like, how could they dodg just do this? They

434
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Speaker 2: have so many players already, doesn't fucking matter. Getting dudes

435
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 2: is getting dudes like getting a five hit there is

436
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Speaker 2: fucking sick like you can play to.

437
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Speaker 1: Oscar Hernandez and left field with some of the worst

438
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Speaker 1: defensive metrics in all Major League Baseball. Because he hit

439
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Speaker 1: thirty three homers, with thirty two doubles, one hundred RBIs

440
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Speaker 1: and had an eight months.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like, it doesn't change the whole team, changed the

442
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Speaker 2: whole complexion. Gavin Looks hung around the team forever. He

443
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 2: was called a bust a bajillion times on Twitter. This

444
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,880
Speaker 2: guy took big ab after the big bad. He wasn't

445
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Speaker 2: always great, but yes.

446
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Speaker 1: Plus he was a league average hitter who's hitting ninth.

447
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Speaker 2: In this order, and he played He played decent defense

448
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Speaker 2: at second. He tried to play short beginning of the year.

449
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Speaker 2: He couldn't do it, but he just hung around.

450
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Speaker 1: He was he was.

451
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Speaker 2: I'm never the guy who says the ship. He was

452
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Speaker 2: such a good base runner in this one. He was

453
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Speaker 2: taking the extra base over and over again. He was

454
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Speaker 2: busting his ass the first basic he was. And they

455
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Speaker 2: have Hayward keir Meier, legit veterans hanging out again. We

456
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Speaker 2: said before they get Edmond for nothing. It's just like

457
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 2: getting dudes on the roster getting real major league players

458
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Speaker 2: that take tough at batch one through nine a playoff series.

459
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Speaker 2: That shit is so important, and this team did so

460
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Speaker 2: well bring that all together and doing that.

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Speaker 1: And I think even like looking back at what the

462
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Speaker 1: Mets have done the last few trade deadlines, Granted twenty

463
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Speaker 1: twenty two, it did not work out, of course, Tyler,

464
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Speaker 1: n Quinn, Darren Ruff. Look back at the guys the

465
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Speaker 1: Mets gave up. JD. Davis was like the sky is falling.

466
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Speaker 1: None of those guys have come back to hurt the

467
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Speaker 1: Mets in that Giants organization. They never will. It's not

468
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. The guys that they trade for Tyler and Naquin.

469
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Speaker 1: Hector Rodriguez had an amazing first season after the Reds.

470
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Speaker 1: This past year, he took a step back. Like this.

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Speaker 1: Prospect hugging is something that I think has handcuffed a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of baseball teams in general that are afraid to

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Speaker 1: be great. The Dodgers have not been afraid to be great.

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Speaker 2: It's not afraid to be great, it's afraid to have

475
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Speaker 2: to spend money to fill out your roster. I guess

476
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Speaker 2: that's because you know, if one prospect becomes a major

477
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Speaker 2: like regular player like bang, you just won. If you're

478
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Speaker 2: twenty six, is free now and you're set there.

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Speaker 1: But also, this is what's great about the Dodgers and

480
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Speaker 1: hopefully will eventually become great about the Mets. When you

481
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Speaker 1: have like thirty guys, you can just trade us and

482
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Speaker 1: there will be somebody else who will end up being

483
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Speaker 1: that guy. So it's not really an issue. And I

484
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Speaker 1: think the Mets farm system is on that right trajectory

485
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Speaker 1: from what we've seen the last couple draft classes, from

486
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Speaker 1: what we've seen the last couple of years with player development,

487
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Speaker 1: the farm system is moving very much in the right direction.

488
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Speaker 1: And we have got some dogs that are coming up.

489
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Speaker 1: There are guys that are still not even getting any

490
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Speaker 1: sort of hype that we've talked about in our prospect

491
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Speaker 1: reports before that we're gonna start talking about even more

492
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Speaker 1: next season because they're gonna have more of an impact.

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Speaker 1: And that's how you. Austin Barrow is the exact guy

494
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Speaker 1: I was thinking of. I love that we're on the

495
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Speaker 1: same page there at three o'clock in the morning, but

496
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Speaker 1: this is how you build a winning franchise. I'm gonna

497
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Speaker 1: even tip my cap to the Yankees. The Yankees have

498
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Speaker 1: done and in Yak a great job with this, an

499
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Speaker 1: incredible job of convincing the rest of the baseball world

500
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Speaker 1: that they're terrible fucking prospects are good baseball players. And

501
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 1: every single year you will see the Yankees trade guys

502
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Speaker 1: that are apparently these top prospects, get traded to teams,

503
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Speaker 1: turned into nothing, and the Yankees get back major league players.

504
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Speaker 1: Year after year. They traded fucking nothing, nothing for Jazz Chisholm.

505
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Speaker 1: He's got two more years of control. He was a

506
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Speaker 1: stud third baseman, one of their best hitters in the

507
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Speaker 1: second half, and they gave up nothing because they were

508
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Speaker 1: able to convince people that Augustine Ramirez, who maybe he'll

509
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Speaker 1: be an okay player, maybe he'll be a great player.

510
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Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't fucking matter if he's any good

511
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Speaker 1: to the Yankees because you got Jazz Chisholm. These are

512
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Speaker 1: the things that the Mets need to look to do

513
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Speaker 1: moving forward.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you this, the Yankees did objectively trade

515
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Speaker 2: out thing Augusty Ramirez, probably a fringy top hundred prospects,

516
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirtieth, best practice, best best prospect in America

517
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Speaker 2: right now. He was probably the best prospect that was

518
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Speaker 2: even still traded at the deadline. So this even isn't

519
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Speaker 2: like a Yankee problem. This is just a way a

520
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Speaker 2: lot of losing teams look at players in their own

521
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Speaker 2: the value players in their own organization, where like they

522
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Speaker 2: would just rather have a new shot at getting a

523
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Speaker 2: guy who can be free for six years. Yep, and

524
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Speaker 2: that's a problem for the rest of the teams.

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Speaker 1: Fuck him, not us.

526
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Speaker 2: That could be a really good thing for the Mets.

527
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Speaker 2: You could do anything you can to get major league

528
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Speaker 2: good major players. Jazz, with two years of control, was

529
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Speaker 2: traded for bits, pieces, pennies, literally nothing, guys who will

530
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Speaker 2: simply never be as good as him. Jazz chus have

531
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Speaker 2: never played third base in his life. He walked over

532
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Speaker 2: the third base second half this year and base on

533
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Speaker 2: oa it was one of the best third basement in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Like that just had like a one WRC plus.

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Speaker 2: I think that's just it's just a ballplayer. It's that's

536
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Speaker 2: do you make those moves as winning teams. And gonna

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Speaker 2: talk about this a little bit more. Another quick ad

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Speaker 2: for you guys.

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Speaker 1: I will say it does feel great that the Yankees

540
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Speaker 1: didn't win. I got it. I gotta really hammerd that

541
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Speaker 1: home that they are not the World Series champions.

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Speaker 2: This is great, it does We can't we can't talk

543
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: about that too far, trying to keep we got focus

544
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Speaker 2: on the Mets, got folks on folks on the Mets.

545
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Speaker 2: Nothing that's crazy about the Dodgers. They won this World

546
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Speaker 2: Series and they had Glass now Kershaw, Dustin May, Emma Chien,

547
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Speaker 2: Gavin Stone, Rever, Ryan Tyler, Gonslin, all the entry, Tyler

548
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Speaker 2: Gonsoon Tony Tony gonsoly jeez it' sevy thir o'clock in

549
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Speaker 2: the morning. Though, the that collection of guys was that

550
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: seven guys and named eight guys that's named if you

551
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: just took them and just put them in a pot,

552
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Speaker 2: put them on another team, it's one of the top

553
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Speaker 2: five rotations in baseball. Oh yeah yeah. And then last

554
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: year they lost well who they let you Julio Rias

555
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: comeback walk away for free, who was one of their

556
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Speaker 2: most clutch postseason pitchers over the last five years. So

557
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: there's just there's something about this numbers game that of

558
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: this for pitchers, where it's just get as many guys

559
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Speaker 2: you can, develop as many guys you can that's very important.

560
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Speaker 2: The other part of this that's really important that we're

561
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Speaker 2: gonna hammer home hard. I'm gonna have his hardest offseason,

562
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Speaker 2: especially for the Mets.

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Speaker 1: What dude, Ben Casparius threw eight innings in the regular

564
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Speaker 1: season for the Dodgers. You know how many throw nothing postseason?

565
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Twelve he threw. Where to go postseason pitching,

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Speaker 1: He's thrown like seven in the postseason. Like just having

567
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Speaker 1: that glutton or that that plethora of arms that the

568
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Speaker 1: Dodgers had, and the plethora of just major league enough players.

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Speaker 1: This is why you win the World Series. Obviously, Otani

570
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: and Freeman and Mookie and these guys, it's those are

571
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Speaker 1: the separating factors that make them the great team. But

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Speaker 1: what wins them the World Series is the fact that

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Speaker 1: they are forty five fifty men deep at the major

574
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Speaker 1: league level and they can just plug and play guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what was his name? Fucking Enriquez who pitched

576
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Speaker 1: against us in the in the NLCS. Rue this guy

577
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Speaker 1: through an inning at the major league level. This year

578
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: they put him on the NLCS roster. He's like throwing

579
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Speaker 1: ninety nine with a disgusting slider.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that's the key. That's the next part of this.

581
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Speaker 2: It's just about having your player development deliver you players,

582
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Speaker 2: especially relievers in depth pitchers, so you don't have to

583
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Speaker 2: pay for them. I told you this before. Do you

584
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Speaker 2: know the highest paid reliever on the Dodgers was this year?

585
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Joe Kelly. How much he makes, I

586
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Speaker 1: actually don't how much. Five six million, it's.

587
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Speaker 2: Eight million dollars a year is the highest paid reliever

588
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Speaker 2: by average annual value on the Dodgers roster. Blake Trining

589
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: was a Darth throw. He literally just won this World

590
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: Series that he threw forty two. He threw the most

591
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Speaker 2: pitches any pitcher on the roster threw in the clinching game.

592
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Speaker 2: Like Michael Kopek was fucking broken. They fixed him. Daniel

593
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: Hill his careers ended. What three times he got? It

594
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: fixed him back, Evan Phillips, Bruce dar Gratherol Alex Vessia.

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Speaker 2: You just said, Ben Casparius, all those guys they built

596
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Speaker 2: completely from within out of.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely Ryan Brazier, Anthony Banda were pitchers. They were bad,

598
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Speaker 1: they were not good, and Dodgers fixed them. And I

599
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Speaker 1: think that's another lesson about this, because there's so many

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Speaker 1: other important parts of your baseball team. The other parts

601
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Speaker 1: of baseball team that contribute so much more in the

602
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Speaker 1: long run to what you do with your team in

603
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Speaker 1: the season. It's not worth it to spend a ton

604
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Speaker 1: of money in these relievers. A lot of Mets fans

605
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: want the Mets to throw the hammer on reliever this offseason.

606
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Speaker 1: Remember how excited the Padres fans were. They put the

607
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Speaker 1: rest of their assets on middle relief, and they fucking

608
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: traded Juan so Though to get what turned out to

609
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Speaker 1: be some starting pitching and then also middle relief doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: That goes back to the Dodgers trade deadline. Like, yah,

611
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Speaker 1: they got Michael Kopak, who was a hammer, but they

612
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Speaker 1: got them for not much. But they got the starter

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Speaker 1: and they got another position player. There's a baseball team

614
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Speaker 1: is a big thing. You need a lot of players

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Speaker 1: to contribute. We're talking about this Dodgers team.

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Speaker 2: All those guys were on the io. You need so

617
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Speaker 2: many baseball players to win a World Series. It's not

618
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Speaker 2: worth spending significant amount of money on the bullpen, ever,

619
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Speaker 2: because you have to be able to create that from within.

620
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Speaker 2: Because those assets are so volatile, they're never gonna stick

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Speaker 2: with you forever anyway. It's just this was a masterclass

622
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: by this Dodgers team in building out the foundation of

623
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Speaker 2: a roster, having that ready to go, and then using

624
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Speaker 2: all the money you could to buy fucking surefire Hall

625
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 2: of famers to fill it out. Actually get yourself over

626
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: the hump. There's the second iteration of this Dodgers attempting

627
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: to win a World Series. And the first try didn't

628
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: look like this. They didn't have the surefire Hall of famers.

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Speaker 2: It was some good players they had within, and it

630
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Speaker 2: was a lot of these middle tier kind of guys

631
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Speaker 2: that we're talking about, the starlring martees like you mentioned before,

632
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Speaker 2: these like fifteen to twenty two million dollar players, and

633
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 2: that didn't work and it said fuck that, and now

634
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: it's cheap bullshit player development, and then three Hall of

635
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: famers at the top.

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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, even think about it even more, like

637
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Speaker 1: they got Mookie Bets because they traded Alex Verdugo who

638
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: is now on the Yankees that they just beat.

639
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: And like day, good player.

640
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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, good player, but he's not fucking Mookie Bets.

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Speaker 1: He never will be. It's in control who came a

642
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: lot of times I think, like take take away what

643
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: the actual organization does. Let's just talk about fans here

644
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: for a second. We get very very caught up in

645
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Speaker 1: like what could be perceived future value of these players.

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Speaker 1: But like at the end of the day, like you said,

647
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Speaker 1: when you have these stalwarts, when you have these these

648
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: cornerstones of franchise, when you have these first ballot Hall

649
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: of Fame or no doubts, like the Dodgers did with

650
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: Freddie Freeman, Mookie Best Shoeo Tani, those are the three

651
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: big names are gonna keep bringing up here. You make

652
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: those moves one hundred out of one hundred times, and

653
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: the Mets have done that with Francisco Lindor. You traded him,

654
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: and as you traded Isaiah Green, you traded uh Josh

655
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: Wolfe was that his name, Josh wolf Matt whoever the

656
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: fuck they traded. It doesn't matter. Those guys are doing

657
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: nothing unders him. And as they won the trade, the

658
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Guardians paid them one hundred million dollars, which is insane.

659
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: But you go and get your big players, and to

660
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: really just wrap this all up and bring it back

661
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: to where we started, Juan Soto is that guy. The

662
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: Mets off season starts and ends with Juan Soto. If

663
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you get once totally shit what the fuck, I mean

664
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: freaking out. If you thought we were going crazy forgetting

665
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: Francisco Indoor, you ain't seen nothing yet. I might have

666
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: to name my fourth child. Want if we signed Juan Soto.

667
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: If we don't, that's when you start to plan for

668
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: another move. What's the next play? What do you do next?

669
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: And listen. I'm not out on bringing Pete back either,

670
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: but you can't think about anything else until you know

671
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: whether or not you have Wan Soto, and Wan Soto

672
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: should be the only focus until then.

673
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: No, it's even like thinking about feelings for a second.

674
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: Like the Dodgers let someone who could wind up being

675
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: one of these Hall of famers walking Corey Seeger few

676
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, but that was to bring in Freddie Freeman. Yes,

677
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: and also that was when they were right, I have

678
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: to sign the extension of Mooie bets. But that was like,

679
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: it's just a different excheline. I think Cory Seger is amazing,

680
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: but Cory Seger's is the kind of guy that wasn't

681
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: available at the end of the season enough times for

682
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: them to really push push their eggs in there in

683
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: the in the Cory Seger backs, I mean, it's.

684
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: Just they let Justin Turner walk. And Justin Turner has

685
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: been like a huge part of the previous teams where

686
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: they were successful up until the World Series. Justin Turner

687
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: was one of the few guys that hit in the postseason.

688
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: Jock Peterson was another guy who had shown up for

689
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: them time and time again. But they went out and

690
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: they got the big dogs, They got the dudes, they

691
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: got the guys who were there to win. They let

692
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger go for free for nothing, non tender, right, yeah,

693
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: non tendered, Like he was just gone. This is a

694
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: guy who'd an MVP.

695
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: And that's the last lesson I think to take from

696
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: this Dodger team.

697
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: It's ruthlessness.

698
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you're not helping us win a

699
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: World Series and there's no feelings involved. And I love

700
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: Sean andya. Yeah, it's gonna be a tough thing for

701
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: the Mets this offseason, but like I love Sean and

702
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: I I'll respect Sean MA and I the rest of

703
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, I just the price points. Probably not

704
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: there's It might wind up being a really difficult day

705
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: when Pee Alonzo signs his long term contract.

706
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: With the Rockies. Oh don nice, I'm glad you said

707
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: they were the Cubs, the Red Sox, the Red Sox.

708
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm just saying Boston the Nationals. Like there might be

709
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: an awkward there might be an awkward afternoon. But if

710
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: you have a replacement that's more valuable and so much better,

711
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: if it's want so yeah, Like it's just there's going

712
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: to be difficult days if you want to get on

713
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: the paths to doing what they did, because this team

714
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: is ruthless, they're fucking cocky. Like they built this culture

715
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: where nothing else matters all about the World Series, and

716
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: there wasn't there wasn't a moment like I give him

717
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: credit for this, like body language shit, like they never

718
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: waive for a second. No, Dave Roberts was punting games

719
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: because they were.

720
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: So fea punted. With Dave Roberts being maybe one of

721
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: the worst in game managers that we've seen in a

722
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: very long time, the Dodgers were still so fading.

723
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. He punted. He punted the clinching game

724
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 2: in the World Series, and he backed door the win

725
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: because Aaron Judge fucking dropped. But again, hats off to

726
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: him for finding You're finding that way because the discourse

727
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: would have been insane for they If Dave Roberts lost

728
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: both these games when he just complete, he completely botches

729
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: starting pitching and they blake try and throw forty five

730
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: pitches and brought the Walker Bueler to close. But I

731
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: just there's there's so many things to learn from this

732
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: Dodgers team, and they're not perfect. They're definitely not perfect, but.

733
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: They're pretty close. Guy.

734
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: They didn't get here perfectly. They again, even this series.

735
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: I think these last couple of games he quite literally

736
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: got lucky. Yeah, I don't know if Nester Cortez doesn't

737
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: pitch after for the first time in five weeks in

738
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: Game one, this whole thing is probably different because I

739
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: don't know if Tim Hill gets those guys out either.

740
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: But it's just like every little kind of thing in

741
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: the series jumped and snowball on top of each other,

742
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: and it kind of just wound up that it was

743
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: an onslaught by them, but it didn't feel that way throughout.

744
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: But you have to give them so much fucking credit.

745
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: For all of these little, tiny things that did a

746
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: long way to get themselves here. Major and I and

747
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: I know Freddy Freeman won the World Series. That would

748
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: be very much deserving. It's honestly kind of crazy, Yeah,

749
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to see how he played in this

750
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: series and how he played versusus, because he looked like

751
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: a shell of himself against us, he just was not

752
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: the same. But for the World series, he was all

753
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: jacked up in as about as good as you possibly

754
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: could have been. He he's the mayor in New York City.

755
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no way to put Eric Adams

756
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: who it's Freddy Freedman. He owns this place. But a

757
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: guy who's a little bit under the radar, I think

758
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: for maybe the next most valuable player in this series.

759
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: You gotta talk about Walker Buehler. I know that's something

760
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: that we've been joking about a lot on this podcast.

761
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Was going to be a lock to be a Met

762
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, there's no shot he's gonna be a

763
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Met next year. This guy just made easy one hundred

764
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: million dollars this offseason.

765
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: I gonna do a low Walker Bueler talk, not a

766
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: lot some Walker Buller talks. Started to close episode, but

767
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: I need to give you guys one more quick ad

768
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: and like ten more minutes here. Happy you brought the

769
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: Walker Bueler before we talk about Walking Buler. Just want

770
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: to reference show Tony completely fell apart. Oh yeah, he

771
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: was like disappeared this series. Shout out to Dodger for

772
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: picking him up, but no one else gonna talk about

773
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: show Tony falling apart. Just he dislocated his shoulders. The

774
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: hats off of that playing through it, but he did

775
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: nothing in this season. Max Monty two, Yeah, Max Monty,

776
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: of course this guy disappeared with everything. Yeah. I think

777
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: there's a legitim the chance that Walker Buller pitched his

778
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: way into the third most valuable starting pitcher in the

779
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: free agency market.

780
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: So what remind me? So Cordin Burns is number one?

781
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Burns Freed Buehler.

782
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, So you think he's gonna over and over

783
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: Kakuchi over.

784
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: Flaarity. I told you Flay. I I just what he

785
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: did in this playoffs again, like I don't know. He

786
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: talked about how much he liked pitch.

787
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because I they've heard that against everything

788
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: that the numbers say.

789
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: I've seen some stuff on Twitter about the headwinds getting

790
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: more moved on the pitches, the cool air, cool with

791
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: humidity because all these starts were in New York. Yeah,

792
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: we do the cool human hard to get cold and

793
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: human in the Midwest. We do the cold and human

794
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: here at the coast, because you know, we're the elites

795
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: out here. But he talked about how much he liked

796
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: that was me come over here pitching the colds over here.

797
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: But it's so interesting that Walker Bueler had the best

798
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: starts of his entire season in the postseason in New

799
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: York against these two teams. And I've got some numbers

800
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: to show that. First of all, just like stuff plus,

801
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: we use stuff plus live in the show. Stuff plus

802
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 2: is a great just single number over one hundred, your

803
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: above average, under a hundred or below average is a

804
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: good barometer of basically how good your stuff is, to

805
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: put it like as the definition is. And the start

806
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: he had the one nineteen stuff plus against the Mets,

807
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't find a singles start stuff plus and started

808
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: against the Yankees. His regular season high was one O nine.

809
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: He only got over one hundred twice all season, and

810
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: they were in the middle of the year. So just

811
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: that started against the Mets and that won against the

812
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Yankees were special. And they were even more special because

813
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: that one nineteen against the Mets, that was his HIGHESTUFF

814
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: plus for any single starts to twenty twenty one. Damn,

815
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: it's a long fucking time. Ago three Tommy John literally

816
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: locked in for these games and then just some regular

817
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: pitch movement stuff here. He threw twenty five sweepers this

818
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: entire year that had more than twenty inches of horizontal movement.

819
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: Twenty of them were in the playoffs.

820
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: Damn.

821
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: Seventeen of them were against the Mets and Yankees. He

822
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: threw thirty seven fastballs at least twenty inches in vertical break,

823
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: which is when you get that high, high rise and

824
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 2: fastball that comes up on the hithers there. Twenty five

825
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: of those were in the playoffs, and twenty one of

826
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: them were against the Mets and Yankees.

827
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he looked disgusted back like his stuff.

828
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: I know. I've been a Ben Walker, big Walker Buehler

829
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: fan from when he really had his breakout with the

830
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: Dodgers coming out of Vanderbilt, and I was like, damn,

831
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: like not only like, mentally is this guy I think

832
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: a stud, Like he's a frontline starter. Mentally he's a dog.

833
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of an asshole, but like he

834
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of need that. He's got a chip on his shoulder.

835
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: But the stuff was really good, and then we saw

836
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: the injury, the stuff kind of fell off a little bit.

837
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: He totally got it back here in the postseason. Like

838
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: what we saw here is not just frontline starter stuff.

839
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: This is ace material stuff. This could be a number

840
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: one for a team.

841
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: And that's crazy because he just put out two years

842
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: a day. There were that wasn't even close to drad. Yeah,

843
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: we were talking about Walker Buler getting Luis Savarino deal

844
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, and now we're talking about Walker Bueller

845
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: getting like one hundred million.

846
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: We couldn't. We could be very wrong. Maybe maybe there's

847
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: something that we're missing because we're podcasters or we're not

848
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: in front offices and whatnot. Based on the stuff that

849
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: we've seen, Why would you not like you You saw

850
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: Jack Flerity get shelled a team season a second time.

851
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: They fuck him up, He lost v low, he did

852
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: not look sharp. Why would you not pay Walker Buehler

853
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: what you thought would have been the Jack flarerity money

854
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: this offseason?

855
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 2: Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna rattle off a few pictures

856
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: who are going to free ages, and you tell me

857
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: if you'd rather give them exactly if you if you

858
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: were telling, if you were told that these two guys

859
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: are gonna get the exact same money, I'm not gonna

860
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: tell you what the money is. I would you rather

861
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: have Walker, Bueller or this picture? Corbyn Burns Corbyn Burns,

862
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: Air Cole. He's gonna stick, He's He's not. He's gonna

863
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: have that to do the one year. He's to be fine.

864
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Snell, Snell, Freed, that's a close one, but probably Freed. Still.

865
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would do Free too. So now

866
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: now it gets interesting. I think those guys are that

867
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: I forgot about Snell before, and I said the top three,

868
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 2: so top four. But now it's very interesting.

869
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: Cacuchi, I'm gonna go Buehler, but I know you're a

870
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Kokuchi guy, so I think you might lean there.

871
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: I think I might take Bueller, Flarity.

872
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna take Buller right now over Flarity, A.

873
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: Forty two year old Justin Erlander.

874
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bueller all that.

875
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: Sean Manaiah.

876
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: That one's interesting because we do have a longer period

877
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: of seeing what Sean and I has done and that adjustment.

878
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: What do you mean longer like three months versus two starts.

879
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Like one hundred innings versus seven, Like, I.

880
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: Mean, I know, but I want Bueller to pitch the bullpen.

881
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: I want I want fifty simulate pitch Arizona.

882
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: I want to see ceiling wise, I think Buehler has

883
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: the way higher ceiling. I just said he could be

884
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: an ace and arrow where I don't think I would

885
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: ever feel comfortable with seam and I being my one

886
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: like he was with the Mets this year. But I

887
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: think there's less risk right now with Manaiah, So I'm

888
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: gonna take him ever so slightly.

889
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Waka oh Bueller Okay, Evaldi, Bueler Okay. So that that

890
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: that's the line right there. So you think he's definitely

891
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: behind Burns, behind Free, behind Snell, And I think you

892
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: could make it on the same tier as Kakuchi and Manyah, Pavevea.

893
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm taking Bueller. Yeah, I know you're not gonna

894
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: get me Onvet. Pavetta is gonna be a New York Met.

895
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: Paveda will be madave That locks into that. But I

896
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: think a good part of this discussion is the fact

897
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: that it's starting pitching Mark a little bit deeper. In

898
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. Yeah, it did a little

899
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 2: bit did a little bit sham and I approved himself.

900
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: Michael Waka's dog, you say, Cakuchi, good Snell Burns. We

901
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: said it before, Nick Martinez. Jordan Montgomery's gonna be a

902
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: hilarious option, a fucking hilarious option this offseason. I can't

903
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: wait for Jordan Montgomery one year, sixteen million. I just

904
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: there is. It became a little more interesting for a big,

905
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: like glump of these guys at the top. It's it's

906
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: funny now.

907
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

908
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: It's not a bad place to be if you need

909
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: like seven starting pitchers. Not the worst place to be

910
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: when you're trying to find four hundred fifty innings. Not

911
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: the worst, there's five hundred fifty innings. There's been way

912
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: worse off seasons for pitching, for sure, definitely a lot worse.

913
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: But Mets have opportunities here, they really do. I don't

914
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: think that this is going to be the scurse Earth

915
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: Mets offseason. A lot of Mets fans, a lot of

916
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: Mets pundits are claiming.

917
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: It to be.

918
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's one so that's kind of the

919
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: whole thing. Yeah, I think that again. Sorry, try to

920
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: prest the bubble here. We're gonna do a ton of

921
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: off season content. Excited do a ton of off season

922
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: content starting with this and more. Next week Mets will

923
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: get one. So though I don't think they can give

924
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: out a contract.

925
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: More than five years, I don't. I think that's pretty

926
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: fair to say.

927
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: And I think Pete would be the five year deal

928
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: they give out. I think past that, your your Kakucci,

929
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: your Manaia, your Bueller, your Snell, your Montgomery. You're Nick Martinez,

930
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: your Nathan Valdi, your church Nick Paveda.

931
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: We were joking Kelly Shakes lose how uh, because apparently

932
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are tearing it down. I was not aware.

933
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: I was not made made aware to this, and I

934
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: was like Trey for Nolan, Aaron Otto put them at

935
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: third base for a couple more years. Viento's at first.

936
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: Who says, no, be amazing, gimme Helsings Sonning.

937
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: I think the trademark it's going to be incredibly aggressive

938
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: this offseason too. There are a lot of big names

939
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: that have some kind of sort of ish expiring contracts

940
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: on teams that might not be able to pay them

941
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: much longer. So I think that's not what I look at.

942
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: You. Oh, the Robbie Ray.

943
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Contract you are Robbie Ray.

944
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: What's happening for nothing? Two for two for thirty five?

945
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Bring him in the Met School of Picture Rehabilitation.

946
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Jeremy Hefner is just gonna take

947
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: every lefty and try to do the Seaman I with

948
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: them now.

949
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: He might which is crazy, but also, like again, the

950
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: Blake trying thing is also such a good lesson, just

951
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: like get some get some believers that are nasty, but

952
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: they're injured. Like I'm trying to look at who they

953
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: could be in the staff right now. Gimme Jonathan low isigah,

954
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: the Yankee phase in there right now, just scrolling around

955
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: these free ages. But it's just there's there's always opportunity

956
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: out there. It's just about finding it, not really about

957
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: buying the free agents, about getting the most value by

958
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: the ones you pay.

959
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, and there's I think I feel

960
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: in a good spot with this organization that the Mets

961
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: will be able to confident trustworthy, yes, to get some

962
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: value out of these guys like trying it is a

963
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: free agent at the end of the year. I know,

964
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, wow, you know who else is a free agent?

965
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: Who your boy James my enemy.

966
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: Who Paul c you Wald also the enemy of half

967
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: of New York Clay Holmes. Like, there's just there's gonna

968
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: be some funny little contact contracts given out the offseason.

969
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: Luke Weaver is a club option. Good for the Yankees.

970
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Sir Anthony Demingez is going to make someone

971
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: look really smart. I know it.

972
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: Bring bring Brooks railely back. That's all I asked for.

973
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Hoffman's gonna get paid way too much by the Angels.

974
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot. The Angels closing angers are

975
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna be like, how do you want forty million for

976
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: four years? I'd love it. Tanner Scott's going to be

977
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: such a bad rocky Jorge Lopez. I mean, Sander Scott's

978
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: going to be a bad rocky. That feels about right.

979
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: Spencer Turnbull is gonna give somebody one hundred great innings. Like,

980
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: there's just gonna be so much bullshit in this free

981
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: agent list. I can't wait to parse through.

982
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: This is this is the ship we love. On the

983
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: mess of podcast, we live to tell you guys about

984
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: these awful players that we love.

985
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: I can't wait to give you guys, just like six

986
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: minutes on why Patrick Korby is not the worst fift

987
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: that I can't wait for that give me the best,

988
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd, you know.

989
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the best to what want? So it

990
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: was a free agent and he and like you said

991
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast, he said, it's a

992
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: fair game. Everybody's got a shot. And you know what's great,

993
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: when you're the richest team in Major League Baseball, your

994
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: SHOT's better than anybody else's. Right now, you got more

995
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: money than the rest of these teams. Blank check, Stevie,

996
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: blank check. Give him your house, give him your kids,

997
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever he wants, give it to him.

998
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: Let him come stay in New York on the right

999
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: side this time with the orange blow.

1000
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: I want so to say, all thirty teams have a shot.

1001
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Twenty minutes after the World Series, I was sick.

1002
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: That's Aaron Joe just talking about Hell. He won't forget

1003
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: this World Series until he dies. WANs is gonna make

1004
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: like seven hundred million dollars, Like this is sick. I

1005
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: can't I can't wait to get the fuck out of here. Yeah, man,

1006
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: all right, James and an instant reaction. Juan Soto, is

1007
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: he a New York Met Yes?

1008
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: Or no, he could be don't that's all bam to

1009
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: do what I do. I told you what was eighty

1010
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: twenty last week? I think right now is kind of

1011
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: close to sixty forty. After the Yankees went out.

1012
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I think Wan Sota was a New York Met.

1013
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: I thinks a good chance. Do you think's any chance

1014
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: any of the team could get them besides the Mets Yankees?

1015
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: So I think it's Mets, Yankees, Dodgers. I think those

1016
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: are the three front runners dark horse teams. Don't count

1017
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: out the Red Sox. Don't count out the Chicago Cubs, Nationals. Nah,

1018
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I'll count them out, although would be a fucking sick move.

1019
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: If sick, I'd be happy for them.

1020
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: If if they brought back Juan Soto, I'd give Mike

1021
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: Rizzo a hug. I'd be like, great job, dude, well done.

1022
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: I'll say this before we leave you, guys. Every year,

1023
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Mark and I the second the World Series ends, we

1024
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: look at the next year's World Series and we placed

1025
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: the future or two two years ago fifty to one,

1026
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: and the Rangers we hit that one this year fifty one.

1027
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: The Mets.

1028
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: We got fucked pretty close, pretty close this year.

1029
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: We placed two. One was a forty to one in

1030
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: the Toronto Blue Jays. No. Seventy to one on the

1031
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: Toronto seventy seventy to the one the Blue Jays. One

1032
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: was a one hundred to one on the Pirates and

1033
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: the ones that I mentioned that mark poop poo. But

1034
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: I did a little bit one hundred and fifty one,

1035
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: one hundred fifty to one to wash it.

1036
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: Nationals think on on Soto, things change.

1037
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: They have a good day, some good bones, there is

1038
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: there some good pitching.

1039
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: I think the other sneaky. I'm gonna give two more

1040
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: sneaky teams. Toronto Blue Jays I think are a sneaky team.

1041
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: That's a team that probably right.

1042
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: Don't forget. They've been dying to spend big money the

1043
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: last few years. They just haven't been able to get anybody.

1044
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: They were the show hit rich team, Yeah they were. Yeah.

1045
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Rogers is like the Verizon of Canada.

1046
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: So they got They have Labot labots, their guys, they

1047
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: give them everything.

1048
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think the Blue Jays are a sneaky team.

1049
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: And again the Giants have been dying to give money

1050
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: to somebody the Giants I think would be somebody that

1051
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: could also sneak in there too.

1052
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Giants are the I think the Giants.

1053
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: Are just the Dodger's cook That's fair, Yeah, that's fair.

1054
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 2: I mean maybe I think I think the Dodgers could,

1055
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants could could get through it, But Dodgers,

1056
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: I mean they best oppose happen.

1057
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: About Cincinnati Red Do you think the Reds make a

1058
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: big move for Uance though, Yeah? Probably home runs?

1059
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah they should. Also before we leave, congrats and Johan's ring.

1060
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: Yes, that is a met this year that has won

1061
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: a ring. Good for I think that's all we got.

1062
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: That's all we got, guys. Thank you for listening, Thank

1063
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: you for watching. Subscribe to the Mets up podcast YouTube channel.

1064
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: If you were watching this over there, we appreciate you.

1065
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: Drop alike if you're listening Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google, drop

1066
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: us a rating, drops a review, downloaded, subscribe. You can

1067
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: follow James on Twitter at James Underscore. I'm giraff Neckmark

1068
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: with the c Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching.

1069
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: Jet Williams interview out maybe Monday, yeah, I think I

1070
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: think tentatively Monday, We're gonna have a bunch of stuf

1071
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: coming at you. The off season officially started. Pete Alonso

1072
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: is no longer a met and Wan Soda will be soon.

1073
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Speaker 1: That's all I got. Bes out guys, You guys, see

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Speaker 1: you next time.

1075
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Speaker 2: Fucking go mets h m h.

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Speaker 1: M hm.

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Speaker 2: Hm m m.

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