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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 2: A huge weekend for news as we know, and a

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Speaker 2: big Monday as well, so much to discuss here.

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Speaker 1: We had a.

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Speaker 2: Direct Iranian military assault on Israel. Three hundred missiles drones

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Speaker 2: fired from Iran at Israel and essentially all of them intercepted,

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Speaker 2: shot down, taken out in transit. So a highly provocative

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Speaker 2: but also from a military standpoint, highly unsuccessful move by Iran.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, will spend some more time diving into that.

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Speaker 1: A lot going on in the legal realm as well.

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Speaker 2: We have one Hunter Biden moved to dismiss his case

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Speaker 2: and Judge norri Aka slap that down pretty aggressively. So

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden still facing trial. But Donald Trump's trial in

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Speaker 2: New York City starts today, so we're gonna spend a

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Speaker 2: good amount of time talking about this and also the

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Speaker 2: situation in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: I think there are.

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Speaker 2: Changing they're changing dynamics clearly in the Middle East after

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Speaker 2: the attack this weekend, but it's going to take time

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Speaker 2: for it all to play out. Despite the headlines, Clay

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. I don't think world War three is

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Speaker 2: about to happen. I think everyone needs to take a

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Speaker 2: breath and think this through a bit, and the Israelis

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Speaker 2: are certainly doing that as they consider their response. But

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Speaker 2: I want to dive in. Let's dive into this Trump

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Speaker 2: situation just for a moment, shall we. He is facing

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Speaker 2: this is the Republican de facto nominee for the presidency.

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Speaker 1: WHOA anyway, here we go. We can listen to him.

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Speaker 1: I go ahead and play it. I was about to

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Speaker 1: have him play go for a clip one. This is

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Speaker 1: the sault. But nothing like this has never happened before.

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Speaker 3: There's never been anything like it. Every legal scholar said,

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Speaker 3: this case is nonsense that you've never been rout. This

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Speaker 3: is political persecution. This is a persecution like never before.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's ever ever.

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Speaker 1: Seated anything like it.

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Speaker 3: And again it's a case that should have never been brought.

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Speaker 3: It's the soul of America. And that's why I'm very

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Speaker 3: ground to be here. This isn't assault of our country, and.

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Speaker 1: It's a country that's failing.

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Speaker 3: It's a country that's run by an incompetent manner's very

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Speaker 3: much involved in this case.

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Speaker 1: It's a scam.

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Speaker 4: It's really it's a skin that's not a trail, but

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Speaker 4: that's not a transform.

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Speaker 1: That's a scam. So play.

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Speaker 2: The Trump well, the Trump position on this is clear,

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Speaker 2: and I think we all understand this is outrageous, but

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Speaker 2: it's also happening.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the part of it. Now we

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Speaker 1: have to sort of settle in and recognize.

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Speaker 2: That as absurd as these charges are, as much as

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Speaker 2: this is an abuse of the law, as much as

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Speaker 2: this is election interference, and it is it clearly is meant.

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Speaker 2: It was held until the election year, it is meant

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Speaker 2: to hurt Donald Trump's chances at being president again. With

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Speaker 2: all of that, trial number one has started as of today,

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Speaker 2: Trump's criminal, first criminal trial in his life.

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Speaker 5: I might add, yes, so to the extent that we

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Speaker 5: have anybody, I believe there's a jury pool of five

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Speaker 5: hundred people that have been initially called. I've said this

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Speaker 5: on the show before, but I want to reiterate it now.

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Speaker 5: We have a large listenership in the New York City area.

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Speaker 5: WR we love you guys. If you are fortunate enough

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Speaker 5: to be in this jury pool, I want you and

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Speaker 5: you listen to this show. I want you to go

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Speaker 5: and do everything you can to get on this jury.

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Speaker 5: Usually people buck try to avoid jury duty, like with

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Speaker 5: every fiber of their being. Right, Oh, I've got a conflict,

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Speaker 5: Ooh I've got Generally, getting out a jury duty is

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Speaker 5: almost an art form. I want a Trump voting patriot

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Speaker 5: to get on this jury. Recognize this for what it is,

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Speaker 5: a sham political prosecution targeted against Donald Trump because he

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Speaker 5: is running for president, and I want you to refuse

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Speaker 5: to convict. I want jury nullification. If I were in

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Speaker 5: I would do everything that I could to get seated

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Speaker 5: takes one person. We're not going to get an acquittal.

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Speaker 5: There's not going to there's too many anti Trump people.

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Speaker 5: Of course, there's no way you're going to get twelve

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Speaker 5: jury to recognize this for what it is, a political sham.

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Speaker 5: Alvin Bragg is lowering every felony to a misdemeanor. Here,

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Speaker 5: he's trying to elevate a misdemeanor to a felony based

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Speaker 5: on what I think is illegitimate use of the law.

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Speaker 5: The only way to fight back against law fair is

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Speaker 5: by refusing to comply with it. And so if you

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Speaker 5: can vote not guilty, if you can get on this jury,

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Speaker 5: you can become a hero. I really mean that, And

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Speaker 5: I don't know. The numbers are very slim. They are

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Speaker 5: eight point five million people in New York City. So unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: I don't think we're able to necessarily turn this wheel ourselves,

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Speaker 5: but it would be great if it. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 5: surprised if there's five hundred people that get called if

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Speaker 5: one or two of them listened to Clay and Buck

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Speaker 5: every now and then, as a percentage of the overall audience,

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Speaker 5: that wouldn't be crazy. What you would know better than me?

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Speaker 5: Manhattan twenty twenty election went for Joe Biden. What percentage

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Speaker 5: the eighty twenty is higher.

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Speaker 2: Than eighty twenty five to ninety I think, or I'd

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Speaker 2: say eighty five. It's between eighty and ninety.

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Speaker 5: So if you did the basic math there, that would

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Speaker 5: mean there's maybe fifty people in the five hundred jury

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Speaker 5: pool that would have voted for Trump, maybe fifty to

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Speaker 5: seventy five. Like, that's not crazy right now. Obviously some

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Speaker 5: people wouldn't have voted at all, which which obviously happens.

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Speaker 5: But you're talking about ten or fifteen percent of whatever

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Speaker 5: jury pool likely to be Trump supporters.

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Speaker 2: Right, Look, at all it takes is one. But to

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Speaker 2: the principle at work here, Clay, I think you mentioned

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Speaker 2: a nullification, and I think if you look at for example,

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Speaker 2: UCMJ in the military, you do not have to obey

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Speaker 2: an unlawful order.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who tells you, go and you know,

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Speaker 2: kill this, kill this defenseless person in this house because

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Speaker 2: you've been ordered to do so. You know, if you

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Speaker 2: know that this is not a lawful target of war,

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Speaker 2: you don't do it. It doesn't matter what the order is.

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Speaker 2: I think this is an unlawful prosecution. I think that

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Speaker 2: nullification is. And I know that's a very it's really

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Speaker 2: somewhat the nuclear option, right to say, I don't care

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Speaker 2: what the instructions are, I don't care what the evidence

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Speaker 2: may be.

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Speaker 5: This is a.

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Speaker 2: Preposterous and politicized and unjust prosecution.

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Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 2: There's also no you know, we were just talking a

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Speaker 2: lot about the OJ situation. People say, oh, well, you

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Speaker 2: know what about the system there. Yeah, well, this isn't

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Speaker 2: a double murder, This isn't even a crime. Well, what

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Speaker 2: is the crime that there's no There has to be

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Speaker 2: some harm, There has to be some damage done to someone.

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Speaker 2: The underlying notion here, Clay, is that there was some

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Speaker 2: effort to conceal from the public view something that they

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Speaker 2: should have known about for the purposes of politics. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is it is outrageous that anybody even calls this

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Speaker 2: a crime. It is a non crime charge that has

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Speaker 2: been brought against him. It's not meant for this kind

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Speaker 2: of situation anyway. It is the clearest prosecutorial abuse I've

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Speaker 2: they should just dig in. But you know the pressure

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Speaker 2: is going to be very heavy. I'm sure people on

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Speaker 2: that jury who are crazy Libs are gonna vote Biden,

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Speaker 2: will say, you know your life's over if you don't

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Speaker 2: go along with this, buddy. You know the people are

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Speaker 5: It's a hung jury, and it's different, I would say,

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Speaker 5: than the OJ trial because the OJ trial they had

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Speaker 5: whatever it was, twelve members of that jury all agree

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Speaker 5: that he was not guilty. I think the odds of

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Speaker 5: there being twelve jurors who agree Trump's not guilty are zero,

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Speaker 5: but just based on simple math, the odds of you

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Speaker 5: getting twelve people who will not convict you need an unonymous.

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Speaker 1: Verdict here right, or else you get a hung jury.

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Speaker 1: And that's where this is headed.

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Speaker 5: And so the hung jury. The hung jury would just

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Speaker 5: force it to go try another trial. But it would

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Speaker 5: classify I don't think they'd ever be able to finish it.

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Speaker 5: It would classify as a Trump win, And You're right,

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Speaker 5: there'd be a lot of pressure. I think that Juror

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Speaker 5: would be a hero. I think that Jura would Juror

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Speaker 5: would be a hero to half the country. You might

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Speaker 5: have to leave New York City. I mean, Drew be told.

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Speaker 5: But I'm telling you if I were on this jury,

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Speaker 5: I would not vote to convict because as a matter

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Speaker 5: of principle, I do not agree with the idea of

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Speaker 5: trying to put of the current sitting president, trying to

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Speaker 5: of his life. That's what they're trying to do with

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Speaker 5: all this lawfair Now, this is the least significant of

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Speaker 5: all of the charges. But everybody else looked at this,

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Speaker 5: who was more esteemed legal scholars than Alvin Bragg, and

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Speaker 5: they refuse to bring these charges. They waited until an

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Speaker 5: election year, until after he's now already got the nomination

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Speaker 5: locked up, to decide to come after him.

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Speaker 1: And by the way I've.

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Speaker 5: Asked this question, I'm not convinced that they won't try

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Speaker 5: to put him in jail over this, because as you

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Speaker 5: as you look at Atlanta, I think this is going

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Speaker 5: then going to overreact to whatever verdict they got.

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Speaker 1: Well, the only.

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Speaker 2: Other option is that this whole thing, this whole farce

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Speaker 2: in New York City, is just meant to tar Trump

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Speaker 2: with He's a convicted felon, right, that's the and and

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Speaker 2: there's some polling, and it goes back and forth.

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Speaker 1: But there are some basis to suggest that.

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Speaker 2: If they could just get a conviction of him, that

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Speaker 2: that stigma alone would be enough to throw some of

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Speaker 2: the swing states. We've thought, I've agreed with you, We've

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Speaker 2: thought the same thing all along. That seems unlikely to me,

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Speaker 2: especially in the hush money case, in the DCJ six case,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit more of a we'll

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Speaker 2: see what person is outraged by what happened here with Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump had a lawyer payoff a nuisance NDA basically and

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Speaker 2: listed it as you know, something so that it wouldn't

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Speaker 2: come up as a campaign finance issue. But if it's

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Speaker 2: a campaign finance issue, Trump's left, so you're allowed to

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Speaker 2: pay off Stormy Daniels with campaign money.

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Speaker 1: That's a better option.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how they think this law is even

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Speaker 2: supposed to work, because it's not supposed.

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Speaker 1: To work this way.

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Speaker 5: Well, the victim here, and nobody ever talks about this

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Speaker 5: is actually Trump, And people say, what do you mean

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Speaker 5: by that? He paid a woman one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars or whatever it was because he believed that

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Speaker 5: her story he would it was worth one hundred and

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Speaker 5: thirty thousand dollars to him for her story not to

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Speaker 5: then told the story. Anyway, Yeah, if anybody was actually

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Speaker 5: a victim here, Stormy Daniels got her money and she

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Speaker 2: This is just what I've meant to say. Anyone who's like,

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Speaker 5: Courtroom sketch artists are going to have a maybe the

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Speaker 2: Well, it all depends on how it would go with

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Speaker 4: That's not a trend, that's a scam. If you read

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Speaker 4: that's election interference by the Biden administration. They actually took

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Speaker 4: What they have done is incredible, this election interference, and

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Speaker 1: This country's never done it.

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Speaker 4: But you read Jonathan Turreley, you read Andrew McCarthy, you read,

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Speaker 1: It's not even a crime.

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Speaker 2: and they've tried to do this to other Republicans. As

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Speaker 1: Like you can't do that.

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Speaker 5: Oh, And people are fired up at me for saying

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Speaker 2: They're like, I'm going to file a complaint with you.

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Speaker 2: It's like bring it, Like, what do I care? The

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Speaker 2: That's crazy because people are idiots. They they don't want

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Speaker 2: Analytics all right, in addition to all of the other

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Speaker 5: They pulled it on the team. They said that I

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Speaker 6: Do everything you can to get seated on the jury

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Speaker 6: doming the case via hung jury. It's the most patriotic

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Speaker 1: It speaks to the perversion of patriotism. Let's come from

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Speaker 1: some of those in that wing. The most patriot thing

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Speaker 1: you can do is to do your duty as a jurist,

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Speaker 7: It's not the first person to ever argue for jury nullification.

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Speaker 7: That being said, I think was a poor choice of words,

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Speaker 7: But I think again it is illustrating in some ways

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Speaker 6: Look a poor choice affords. It also would be a

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Speaker 1: I would agree that.

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Speaker 7: Again, you cannot be telling people to wilfully go into

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, hold on a second.

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Speaker 1: At no point, it's crazy we're even talking to this,

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Speaker 5: By the way, Buck, this is the first time I

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Speaker 2: But I'll let you react to it. No, it's just

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Speaker 2: First Amendment territory. But beyond that, clearly you didn't say

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Speaker 5: You certainly didn't say willfully lie either. So they just

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Speaker 2: Right, And and also nullification that that's just a fancy

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Speaker 2: and I mean any juror has the right to say that,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe this is a just prosecution. I will

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Speaker 2: That is that. That is why we have trial by jury,

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Speaker 2: because human beings get to make these decisions. They're not robots.

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Speaker 2: They don't just take the instructions from the prosecutor and

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Speaker 2: that's what.

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Speaker 1: The system deserves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the system should have let a wife abusing, narcissistic

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Speaker 2: It was an unbelievably stupid argument that a lot of

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Speaker 1: With a with jurors. By the way, I think all

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Speaker 5: The experience of the case, which has all been out

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Speaker 5: allegation has been written about for when did they do

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Speaker 5: Like the sit down interview with Anderson Cooper, like twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's been like seven or eight years that

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Speaker 5: we've all had the ability six or seven years to

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Speaker 5: hear everything that she said.

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Speaker 2: I mean, fundamentally, what they what they are presenting is

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Speaker 2: not something that any reasonable person would say should take

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Speaker 2: it should be it a thing that can take away

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Speaker 2: a person's freedom. Okay, having your lawyer say this is

448
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Speaker 2: like a fee and not a payoff to somebody or

449
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Speaker 2: whatever is not something that somebody should get. Who is

450
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Speaker 2: the victim? What is the damage? That is the fundamental

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Speaker 2: question that cannot be answered. The victim is the public's

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Speaker 2: right to know? Well, if the public has a right

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Speaker 2: to know, because it's a campaign expense, as I've said

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Speaker 2: all along, then you could use you could use campaign

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Speaker 2: dollars to pay off anybody. I mean, that's that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That can't work. There's a reason why the John Edwards

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Speaker 2: prosecution fell apart and why they didn't bring it again,

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Speaker 2: because you know, you get into this area where like, well,

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Speaker 2: what are we really saying here, what are the expectations

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Speaker 2: and who is harmed in all of this? Also, Clay

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Speaker 2: Trump is as we know, worth billions of dollars we're

462
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Speaker 2: having this conversation over what is one hundred and thirty grand? Yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean I know for like you know, I remember

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Speaker 2: when I had five hundred dollars in my bank account.

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Speaker 1: I've been working for ten years. I get it. One

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty grand can be a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: It's not a lot of money to trump though, in

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Speaker 2: the kind of world we're talking about here, where you're

469
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Speaker 2: looking at presidents and people who are operating at the

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Speaker 2: level of influence. It the notion of one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty grand, this is this is couch cushion money. But

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Speaker 2: I also I would want to ask that CNN panel,

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Speaker 2: so is the America they want to live in one

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Speaker 2: in which people are no longer allowed to opine over

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Speaker 2: what they believe is an unjust prosecution. What is the

476
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Speaker 2: whole BLM movement about. They're assuming the innocence of people

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Speaker 2: who have been shot by police, in some cases, continuing

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Speaker 2: to pretend that they are innocent, even after a court

479
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Speaker 2: has found that or an investigation or both, that they

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Speaker 2: are in fact criminals who were shot by police, as

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Speaker 2: in the case of Mike Brown, he was a criminal

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Speaker 2: shot attacking a police officer committing a crime in the

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Speaker 2: Act and committed to crime before that Act as well,

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Speaker 2: But they still lie about Latallo.

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Speaker 1: Hands up, don't shoot. Oh it was all did you

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Speaker 1: see what I'm saying? Like they they wanted that officer

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Speaker 1: Darren Wilson to go to prison. So that's okay. This

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Speaker 1: this whole thing is nuts.

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Speaker 2: You can't weigh in on what you think the justice

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Speaker 2: of a prosecution is. You don't live in a free

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Speaker 2: society anymore at all.

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Speaker 5: If that is the new rule, and all of that

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Speaker 5: is true, and I am one hundred percent confident that

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Speaker 5: I didn't break any law. Having said that, we're living

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Speaker 5: in such a banana republic that Alvin Bragg has lost

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Speaker 5: all concepts of true additional justice. I mean when he's

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Speaker 5: charging a marine on the subway for trying to protect people,

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Speaker 5: and when he's trying to put Trump in prison over

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Speaker 5: a bookkeeping error that he's elevating after the statute of

500
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Speaker 5: limitations has expired, by the way, from a misdemeanor to

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Speaker 5: a felony that I don't think legally is tenable. Remember this,

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Speaker 5: in order to be elevated to a felony, this book

503
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Speaker 5: keeping misdemeanor has to be tied to another crime. They

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Speaker 5: still haven't specified, to my knowledge, which crime they're tying

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Speaker 5: it to. All of this is so crazy, But I

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Speaker 5: don't know that Alvin Bragg and Democrats right now could

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Speaker 5: do something where I would say, I truly can't believe

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Speaker 5: they're doing this. So I think there's a zero percent

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Speaker 5: chance that I have legally done anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: They're crazy, like they might do if something crazy happens.

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Speaker 2: Just you've got to request that Trump become your bunkmate

512
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Speaker 2: if both of you get sent the big House.

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Speaker 1: I could see it now.

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Speaker 2: It'd be like Klay Travis, great American seca football, very

515
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Speaker 2: non eligible, wants top punk. Problem problem with top punk,

516
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Speaker 2: Trump gets tops bunk.

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Speaker 1: Really funny.

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Speaker 5: I think I would do well with Trump as a

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Speaker 5: as a cell mate. I think we would probably get

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Speaker 5: along fairly. I think we'd have a lot in common.

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Speaker 5: I could do way worse, right, So, I just can

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Speaker 5: you believe that that CNN legitimately Last night, Buck argued

523
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Speaker 5: that they want me charged with a felony for questioning

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Speaker 5: the legitimacy of the charges that have been brought against

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Speaker 5: Trump and for saying that I hope that there is

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Speaker 5: someone out there that will actually apply the law and

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Speaker 5: their common sense and make a rational decision on this case.

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Speaker 5: But by the way, book, they've already had fifty plus

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Speaker 5: jurors say they couldn't be impartial, and they're already gone.

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Speaker 1: Who has not already made up their mind on this case?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 5: How would you live in New York not know the

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Speaker 5: Stormy Daniels story, not know everything about Trump?

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Speaker 2: I just if this year we're actually getting to an

536
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Speaker 2: import pattern. It's really difficult and important. We have just unfortunately,

537
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: there's been an abandoning of a reality, which is Trump

538
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Speaker 2: can't get Trump can't get a fair trial in New York.

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Speaker 2: But they bring it in New York because they know

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Speaker 2: the system there is going the who is watching the watchers?

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Speaker 1: Who does he appeal to? What is the higher authority?

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Speaker 2: It's all Democrats, all New York Democrats who are in

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Speaker 2: the they destroy Trump phenomenon. That's why they brought this

544
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Speaker 2: right because and you know they tried this thing in

545
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Speaker 2: Atlanta too. They want to get it out of the

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Speaker 2: federal system because they know ultimately in the federal system

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Speaker 2: it can always end up in the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's happened already. A number of Times right

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Speaker 1: in New.

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Speaker 2: York unless there's some constitutional issue at large, a New

551
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Speaker 2: York jury being unfair and crappy, New York judges being

552
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Speaker 2: lunatic Democrats, new York appeals courts hating Trump. It's not

553
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Speaker 2: really reviewable by the Supreme Court unless there's a specific

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Speaker 2: issue that they're you know, you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So it's harder to get state issues into the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court that it is federal issues into the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 5: because you have to have a peg of a federal

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Speaker 5: issue that you make in a state's court. Yes, and

559
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Speaker 5: so they get to control the whole ecosystem. The entire

560
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Speaker 5: New York judicial ecosystem is anti Trump.

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Speaker 1: They know it.

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Speaker 2: They're not even getting a venue changed, you know, So

563
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Speaker 2: we're it's already baked into the system. Of course, Trump

564
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Speaker 2: can't get a fair trial in New York City, and

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Speaker 2: they don't want him to get a fair trial, which

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Speaker 2: is why they're bringing this case in the first place.

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Speaker 2: None of this is about justice or fairness.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm not troubled.

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Speaker 5: I wish we could have the same jury pool in

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Speaker 5: South Florida because it's roughly fifty to fifty. It's a

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Speaker 5: fifty to fifty America. The jury pool should be fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty of Americans if we were actually going to

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Speaker 5: have an honest accounting of this entire case, as opposed

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Speaker 5: to a rigged left wing jury pool. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: just think that if there's one Trump voter on that jury,

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine that Trump voter would see this and say, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think that he can comitted this crime that isn't

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Speaker 5: even really a crime, right, So that's I think that

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Speaker 5: they're going to have it a difficult The only thing

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Speaker 5: that I could see is they try to just bully

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Speaker 5: and maybe it's a couple of Trump owlters.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They try to bully that one person into going along

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Speaker 2: with this. But I don't think you can say we

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Speaker 2: talked about being held in contempt. What if he gets

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Speaker 2: found guilty. I think there's a distinct possibility that he

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Speaker 2: does get found guilty because people are on the jury

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Speaker 2: just do what they're told and they hate him, and

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Speaker 2: then what happens, you know what I mean? So we

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Speaker 2: have some people by the weighing in on the actual

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing the average inmate is probably bigger, stronger, and

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Speaker 5: Over one hundred thousand dollars in coffee sold for true Americans.

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Speaker 5: got a bunch of people by the calls about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's take Leon in fair Fayettville, North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Retired correction sergeant. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Leon?

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Speaker 8: Hey, how you doing, sir?

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Speaker 1: Good? Sir? Great?

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Speaker 8: But they have to protect the wings, uh, some prisoners

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Speaker 8: for police officers, judges, and they'll those types that would

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Speaker 8: be a target for the inmate population.

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Speaker 9: But he would have to go on protecting custody. But

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Speaker 9: I couldn't see it because he could be touched. You

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Speaker 9: have an inmate that uh has to clean up. He

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Speaker 9: could have chemicals in the mop bucket that he could

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Speaker 9: mop it.

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Speaker 8: They won't think nothing of it.

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Speaker 9: Next thing you know, he's setting it a fire. Oh wow,

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Speaker 9: And you got Trump was slocked in the sale hord.

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Speaker 9: They're gonna how they're gonna protect him? You got inmates

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Speaker 9: bringing the food.

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Speaker 1: That's great. It's all great points. Leon.

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Speaker 5: How do you think I would do in prison? If

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Speaker 5: they try to put me in prison? Do you think

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Speaker 5: I'd be well liked there? Do you think the guards

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Speaker 5: would like me? How would you assess my chances.

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Speaker 9: Because of your politics?

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Speaker 8: I think you'd be move would think a lot of.

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Speaker 9: Oh boy, they got so many shanks on the yard.

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Speaker 9: I don't see how they're gonna protect the president if

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Speaker 9: he goes in there.

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Speaker 2: This feels for calling in for give us the correction.

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Speaker 2: This fields like a stupid sitcom idea. It's like the

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Speaker 2: president has to go to prison and the Secret Service

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Speaker 2: goes with him, Like, what's going to happen? Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know when they put Madeoff in prison, apparently it

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Speaker 2: was now that was a federal prison. Yeah, what's apparently

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Speaker 2: there's differences between I mean, there's differences, but I'm saying

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Speaker 2: in the I don't know, I'm not a.

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Speaker 5: There are better places to go to serve time than

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Speaker 5: worse right, and he was not in like a uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, Rikers Island would be very very low on

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Speaker 5: the list of places you would want to go. Rikers

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Speaker 5: Island is a hellhole. I have a lot of cop

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Speaker 5: friends the NYPD. You're like, you don't want to spend

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Speaker 5: any time in Rikers Island.

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Speaker 2: But when when Madeoff got sent to federal prison, there

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Speaker 2: were stories about how a lot of the inmates were

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Speaker 2: just like respected him because of because his con.

678
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Speaker 1: Was so big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they thought it was like they're like

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Speaker 2: he was, and they also wanted to know how he

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Speaker 2: did it. So he apparently made friends in a lot

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Speaker 2: of friends in federal prison. You never know who's gonna

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Speaker 2: get you know, the law degree.

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Speaker 5: Would probably help me because I could be a jailhouse

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Speaker 5: lawyer legitimately.

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Speaker 2: Uh, ste and Steve and Pensacola Beach.

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Speaker 1: You were helping to handle Manuel Noriega.

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Speaker 10: Well, I was in FCI Miami with Lord Conrad Black.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure you guys know who.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they put him in there for nonsense. I

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Speaker 1: forgot about.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we were cell mates together, and so uh Noriega

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Speaker 10: had his own cell built out across from the pill line.

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Speaker 10: And so what would happen is is that for high

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Speaker 10: profile peoples. And I was a former Counton commissioner that

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Speaker 10: was charged with the same thing that Hunter Biden was.

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Speaker 10: But I went to prison for a year, no questions asked,

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Speaker 10: But they have you know, in the federal prison. Prison's

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Speaker 10: prison and Clay, you would do all right, Buck, you'd

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Speaker 10: been a little tougher shape.

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Speaker 2: Uh just wait, why do you think I would do

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Speaker 2: Why do you think i'd do better in prison than Buck?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the prison inmates would like me more?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know at Ginger saying is a tough thing

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Speaker 10: to cross, and me but you know what kills me

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Speaker 10: is all policies towards prison reform and criminal justice reform

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Speaker 10: is lost on everything. He is the only one that

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Speaker 10: stepped up to really try to reform the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 2: Steve, are you of the fact that Clay only has cats?

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Speaker 2: Before we throw Ginger under the bus? Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how that does in the prison life. I got

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Speaker 2: out voted. I didn't want the cats. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you heard that. I don't heard that. Steve just

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Speaker 2: said that changes things a bit.

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Speaker 5: Steve, my three kids and my wife, they all argued

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Speaker 5: during COVID that they needed cats, and I didn't have

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Speaker 5: the stones to overrule them. Now, if the inmates say

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Speaker 5: here the story, the flute squad may come after you

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Speaker 5: more for being part of the feline society. So you

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Speaker 5: know there's that, Steve and Petsicola, thank you, sir. Wow,

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Speaker 5: he served with you. Do you remember the Conrad Black situation?

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Speaker 5: They went after him before? If I remember, I'm going

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Speaker 5: for memory. I don't get everything right.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think it was Honest Services fraud for running,

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Speaker 2: which later on on the Supreme Court basically uh, and

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Speaker 2: I think maybe they took they took it down for

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Speaker 2: his case too, or they took a look at it

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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, he got done dirty because it

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Speaker 2: was a conservative media mobile out of Canada and.

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Speaker 1: They just they just wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Take him out and they did and it was I mean,

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Speaker 2: it sounds like the Conrad Black case.

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Speaker 1: He's still in prison. No, he served a.

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Speaker 2: Few years, but super wealthy, super smart guy, great writer

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Speaker 2: himself actually, and they locked him up for U Scalia

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Speaker 2: ended up saying, if you can lock somebody up under

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Speaker 2: the statute, you can lock up a politician for getting

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Speaker 2: a good table at a restaurant. How long did Martha

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Speaker 2: Stewart get Do you think I'd do better in prison

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Speaker 2: than Martha.

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Speaker 1: No, she's very well organized.

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Speaker 9: Fo