WEBVTT - You’re Not For Everybody with Yvonne Orji

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Catherine, Hi Chelsea. I am in Estoya and Majorca.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just spent five days alone. Five days alone, and Carla,

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<v Speaker 1>my assistant, is here as well. But my first guests

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<v Speaker 1>didn't arrive until the second so I had five days

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<v Speaker 1>of no drinking, utter seclusion, exercising, eating healthy. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>about being on vacation isn't possible to get on any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of program, so I got my shit together. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do anything. I did Glennon Doyle's podcast, Glennon and

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<v Speaker 1>Abbey's podcast. I recorded that, so look for that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>coming out shortly. We were trying to figure out a

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<v Speaker 1>time this summer and I'm like, you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>alone for five days. I think that's the best time

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<v Speaker 1>for me to do a podcast. Since I'm all podcasted out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I have my own fucking podcast to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so I have a full house of comedians,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you can follow me on Instagram for all

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<v Speaker 1>the sorts of shenanigans. And then at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>this month, I go back on tour. I start my

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<v Speaker 1>little big which I'm really excited about. I've gotten so

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<v Speaker 1>much rest and relaxation and aggravation and I need a

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<v Speaker 1>vacation for my vacation, But what else is fucking new?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Now do you restore your energy alone or with other people?

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<v Speaker 1>I restore my energy mostly by myself. But I go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed listen. When I was in London, I stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in London for a month, in like the month of July.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was pretty much in London. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a blast. I went to bed probably between two and

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<v Speaker 1>five am every single night. All I did was go

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<v Speaker 1>out and party. And it was so nice because I

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<v Speaker 1>was in a hotel and I could just I had

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<v Speaker 1>so many friends in London that I could just join

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<v Speaker 1>other people's action, you know, like whatever my friends were

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<v Speaker 1>up to, I'd be like, Okay, I'm going with them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going with them. I'm doing this.

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<v Speaker 4>You can float.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was perfect because I wasn't in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>the entertainment, you know what I mean. In my Orca,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my house. I'm in charge of the entertainment. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have a new policy I'm putting in place, like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has a free day throughout the week. Go do

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to do. There's no organized plans. We

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<v Speaker 1>all will have dinner together, obviously, but breakfast and dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and then anything in between. Get your own fucking party started.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hang out, you can leave, but don't rely

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<v Speaker 1>on me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, that's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's that plan. And then yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm in. I'm in. I have three different weeks

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<v Speaker 1>of guests coming, so we'll see, we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working hard on my book. I got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of writing done. I have this great title for my

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<v Speaker 1>new book, which I can't wait to share with people,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll be a few months before I can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I'm feeling very productive.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so good. Are you able to share any themes

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<v Speaker 3>of the book, like kind of the angles you're working

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<v Speaker 3>or keeping that under wraps for now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just about female independence and freedom, nice freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>child free freedom.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that is absolutely something that people who

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<v Speaker 3>love you respond to.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think it's definitely underrepresented, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, We have so many people that are just

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<v Speaker 1>not the reason why it gets such a big reaction

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<v Speaker 1>is because there are plenty of people talking about it now,

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<v Speaker 1>more so than there were. But you know, it's not enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll never be enough. That women have choices and

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<v Speaker 1>that we can choose to do whatever we want and

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<v Speaker 1>become whatever we want as long as we get all

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<v Speaker 1>of this nonsense out of our heads and stop listening

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<v Speaker 1>to what people are telling us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, it kind It makes me think about what

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<v Speaker 3>Alice Lonan had said about, you know, the whole, not

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<v Speaker 3>just our culture, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the energy of the universe basically is like.

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<v Speaker 3>Swinging more feminine for the next Yes, who knows how long,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's just it feels like it's coming to pass.

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<v Speaker 4>And I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, great, Okay. So our guest today is she's

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<v Speaker 1>a real piece of work. She's an actress, a comedian,

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<v Speaker 1>and author of Bamboozled by Jesus. How God tricked me

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<v Speaker 1>into the life of my dreams. Please welcome vn Orgy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, baby, hello, Oh yeah, look at you. Cutey, petuity,

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<v Speaker 1>fresh and fruity.

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<v Speaker 4>And he takes one to know one.

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<v Speaker 1>I was excited. I thought I was seeing you in

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<v Speaker 1>today and I was gonna do a little dry hump

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<v Speaker 1>and say hello. I was gonna jump on you. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she said you're virtually no, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what a bummer. But that's okay. We're happy to have you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty bummed about it too. That was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>we can do a body.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been a huge fan of yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally when people asked me, I was like about like

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<v Speaker 2>they were comedians. They were showing them like Chelsea Lately.

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<v Speaker 2>You not seen Chelsea lately. I'm like, every night I

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<v Speaker 2>tuned in BEFO I to move to LA. It was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fantastic, Thank you, honey. Well, likewise, right back

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<v Speaker 2>at you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're fantastic, And I'm so excited to have you on

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<v Speaker 1>and to be talking to you because we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of religious people on this podcast. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of spiritual people. But as I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>your book, I realized that it's kind of one and

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<v Speaker 1>the same. It is it's a belief system, and I

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<v Speaker 1>love that it's like modern religion what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>in your book, and I want to talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about that first and foremost. I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about your belief in God and all of the

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<v Speaker 1>signs that you I guess maybe early on the signs

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<v Speaker 1>that you got that made you believe in God, not

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<v Speaker 1>just that was instilled from your parents, but from your

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<v Speaker 1>own young adulthood.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really I like to say, it's really more

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<v Speaker 2>like a relationship. So with my book it was my faith,

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<v Speaker 2>it is very much more fate relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Board.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you have a relationship with somebody, it

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<v Speaker 2>makes it more personal. Like if your mom tells you,

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<v Speaker 2>like come home, and you know she loves you, and

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<v Speaker 2>you love her back, You're like, you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come home even though I want to stay out,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna come home, Versus like if it's somebody you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a relationship with, like that aunt, that's always

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<v Speaker 2>your business that it's like you should come home.

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<v Speaker 4>You're like to the hotel not you know, you're just

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<v Speaker 4>you're not really out that life.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think when people try to use religion

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<v Speaker 2>to like force people to do stuff and like there's

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<v Speaker 2>no understanding or no relationship behind it, it doesn't stick

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't also feel good, like what the heck?

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<v Speaker 4>Like why why would why would do we eat this?

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just kind of like where my center of

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<v Speaker 2>faith lies.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why I've been able to be a wish

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<v Speaker 4>for as well as I have.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, I got saved when I was seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was not playing on going to anybody's blah

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<v Speaker 2>bla study.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up Catholic, but from Nigeria. Well your parents

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<v Speaker 1>are Nigerian and were you you were born in Nigeria, right?

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<v Speaker 4>I sure was. I was born in Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 2>We immigrated to America when I was six and my

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<v Speaker 2>mom was a nurse at had.

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<v Speaker 4>With University hospital. And you know, back then they liked

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<v Speaker 4>the immigrants and so they gave us green cards. Naha.

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<v Speaker 4>Now they're like you can go. You're like, well, wait,

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<v Speaker 4>like you you told us to come in.

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<v Speaker 1>I love switching the rules. It's like yes, yes, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take the tire the poor, and now we're like no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>actually we take it all back. We didn't mean that.

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<v Speaker 4>For sure, like nobody one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a nursing shortage, so like that's why every

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<v Speaker 2>time you go to the hospital, there's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>Filipido or an African nurse. This is why when you

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<v Speaker 2>see hospital shows, you're like, no, this is not represented it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be a madame orbs.

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<v Speaker 4>Like what are you talking about? Like that?

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<v Speaker 2>If there's not a Filipino nurse or niger nisse, I

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<v Speaker 2>would trust this hospital. So anyway, so that's how we

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<v Speaker 2>got to America, and you know, we again we were

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<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholic.

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<v Speaker 4>But I remember just going to church war.

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<v Speaker 2>As like a ritual, you know, like and after you

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<v Speaker 2>going up, you're just like, it's gonna be a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five minute service, sixty if the priest is really feeling it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I just love God and I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of my parents, so I'm gonna go to church.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I got to college and I was I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, let me tell you right now, we want

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<v Speaker 2>to go all the way wild.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in DC.

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<v Speaker 4>I am a grown woman. Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was on my way to the club and

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<v Speaker 2>my friend was like, why don't we go to this

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<v Speaker 2>Bible study before we hit the club?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, I mean, I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 4>that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, It's like it was like, you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in a Bible study attire. I was probably supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a hole in my heart, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like in Jesus hadn't gotten me as

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<v Speaker 2>early as.

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<v Speaker 4>He would have. It made a different story.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we go to the Bible study and the

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<v Speaker 2>woman preaching, she was just so in lovely God in

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<v Speaker 2>the way way that like being a Catholic, I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>seen someone want who like understood the Bible, new Scripture, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just so drawn to it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>before I knew it, I was over there giving my

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<v Speaker 2>life to Jesus. I was like, we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be on a poll tonight. Why am I now like

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<v Speaker 2>in tears, like I do love you Lord, I surrender.

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<v Speaker 4>So she got me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was in that moment, what you decided to

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<v Speaker 1>commit to your relationship with God.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I like that's how I already got bambooed

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<v Speaker 4>by teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was prepared to lose my virginity at eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was. I knew I wanted to lose

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<v Speaker 2>my virginity at eighteen because not because of that necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>religious purposes, but because I was like, if I get pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>I just won't be able to make decisions as an

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<v Speaker 2>adult because if anybody calls my mama, I'm gonna be dead.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, can you imagine your parents working, probably

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<v Speaker 1>sacrificing everything to come to America and then their daughter

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<v Speaker 1>has a teenage pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>What a fuck you? I was like, I get I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want my mom to go and deal with thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five to life. I don't want that to be her esimoity.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just was like at eighteen, like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know what decisions I would make, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>both feel more of an adult to do them right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I remembered when I was sixteen, I went

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<v Speaker 2>to see my my primary care physician and she had

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<v Speaker 2>to call the mother of a sixty year old to

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<v Speaker 2>tell her that her daughter was pregnant. I remember that

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<v Speaker 2>a just sketch in my mind, like, oh, nobody will

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<v Speaker 2>ever meet that call. So that's why I had the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen And God was like, ooohol, I'm gonna let her

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<v Speaker 2>have this like timeline because I got a surprise with her.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying when I was seventeen and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>So he got me, we're gonna take a quick break

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna be right back and we're back. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you still a virgin? I am, Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>love this. This is the most original guest we've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had on and you what are you? Thirty nine? I am,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that damn is gonna break one day, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Let the thing right now, I like people were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Even I was like, pray for him, whoever

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<v Speaker 2>he is. Why you've got a lot of pets up energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and here.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're gonna hit your sexual peak when you start

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<v Speaker 1>having sex. So yeah, you're gonna need a couple of men.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably you all went from.

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<v Speaker 2>Being universits of poly ellaly, Like that would be a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting to events. That's I don't think that's the destimy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will say, like, hurry up, if you know

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<v Speaker 2>any good men to the attend of my way.

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<v Speaker 4>Please please.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know what, it's funny. I know this Nigerian man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's married to my girlfriend. But I have so much

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<v Speaker 1>experience with their family and Nigerians, and I know how

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated Nigerians are to education and becoming a doctor, which

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<v Speaker 1>you cover in your book as well, And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be more true. Like it's very serious. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be loyal and you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like being in a family can also feel

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<v Speaker 1>like work for somebody who's like me, who gets to

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever they want. And all the time you're like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a serious situation.

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<v Speaker 4>There's always like an outlier. I'm the outlier by family.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, I feel like I'm met for

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<v Speaker 2>more than just what everyone else is doing. And so yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>and also as a Nijoria's supposed to be married at

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, also an outlier.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, I'm actually really happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I don't think I could have ever

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<v Speaker 2>gotten married before this moment, Like honestly, maybe like thirty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was ready, but actually I think I

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<v Speaker 2>feel the most ready to be in the committed relationship now,

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<v Speaker 2>like that will actually last.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody there get married.

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<v Speaker 1>At twenty three, they probably not together anymore. Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 1>did Nigerians feel about divorce?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's happening more and more now, so it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe don't tell your daughters to get married and just

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<v Speaker 4>find it could and I didn't, I, you know, before

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<v Speaker 4>they know themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many siblings do you have?

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<v Speaker 4>I have three older brothers, okay, And are.

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<v Speaker 1>They in the States. They're all in the States.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they very like I have one brother who lives

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<v Speaker 2>in Nigeria, go back and forth.

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<v Speaker 4>I have two brothers who are in the States. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we're we're all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're the baby.

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<v Speaker 4>The baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that kind of the best place to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a family.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>I like if they listened to me more, I would

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<v Speaker 4>really appreciate this position.

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<v Speaker 1>I think with more the more success you have, the

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<v Speaker 1>more they will listen. That's my experience with my family.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, they respect me way more than they did

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<v Speaker 1>when I really thought I had some smart ideas. So

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit. I like some of the stories

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<v Speaker 1>about your faith and belief being reinforced right signs of faith,

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<v Speaker 1>taking risks and knowing that God shows up for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you talk a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was getting my master's in public health, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a pageant called the Misbagerian American Pageant, and my

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<v Speaker 2>like my friends were like, want you to enjoy, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I did. And I just thought I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I can wear a dress. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know body colleges is I'm fine. And in two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks before the pageant, they were like, well, what's your talent?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, I don't. I'm a job of immigrants.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have one.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, we're not raised they have hotties and talents. And

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, well, everyone who performs, needs to have one.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's two weeks people have bought tickets for my

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<v Speaker 2>mom and my like cousins are comed hey, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, well, what the hell. I can't like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't mess up because again the Nigerian it means

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<v Speaker 2>like we gotta be excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>And I prayed.

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<v Speaker 2>By this time, you know, I had a relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>God now for like five or six years. I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>God really needs a solid It's me dollan fast, it's

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<v Speaker 2>stat And God was like, do comedy, Like I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>the voice of all these favorite sayings.

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<v Speaker 4>Do comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say you hear the voice of God,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you hear? How does that present itself?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's one of those things where I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say out of body, but it's almost kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a almost like a closing in because I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>not me, Like that was not an idea that I

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<v Speaker 2>could ever come up with on my own, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just sounds very clear, do comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't really, it wasn't James Earl Jerald. It was

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<v Speaker 4>just you comedy. And I was like what And.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember being like, that's that's not what I would

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<v Speaker 2>ever do. So I was like, nah, I'm good. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I was like god, no, for like it's me Evon,

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<v Speaker 2>like like give me something I can actually work with.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, either you're going to larger trust me,

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<v Speaker 4>or you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the book spun away like it was like

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like whoa, you guys just dropped.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like to leave, what the hell? But it

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<v Speaker 4>was just so clear and I was so scared.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also how I know that it's him when he

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<v Speaker 2>asked me to do something that completely takes me out

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<v Speaker 2>of like the realm of logic, out of the realm

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<v Speaker 2>of something that I feel like I can do. I

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<v Speaker 2>know this nothing but God, because I wouldn't normally come

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<v Speaker 2>up with that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's stupid. Why would I? Why would I put my stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Lenduria is like Americs are actually nice, like just

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<v Speaker 2>you know you have white friends and like when you

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<v Speaker 2>started doing comedy, they were like.

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<v Speaker 4>Honey, that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they'll support, they'll clap, they'll support whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>good or bad.

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<v Speaker 4>When you bomb there like you'll get.

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<v Speaker 2>Them next size and you're like, oh, thank you. When

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<v Speaker 2>you know front of durious they do not care about

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<v Speaker 2>your feelings. Okay, if I were to bomb, they.

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<v Speaker 4>Would be like who's this?

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<v Speaker 5>Why?

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<v Speaker 4>And these are the parents? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I definitely was like, hey, okay, I'm very nervous,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very scared. I also know that I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>a regular life like I just once I got said that,

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<v Speaker 2>I started like really representing the Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think I'm destined for more because for me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>when when you don't have friends and when you were

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<v Speaker 2>bullied and you feel like, oh man, all I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do was be long, and then you read the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible and it's like a blueprint to like belonging. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a blueprint to like finding a discovery yourself and your purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I think I clung to it in such

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<v Speaker 2>a way that like I needed it. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, maybe God knows something about me that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about myself and excars me so much.

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<v Speaker 4>But I would I would hate you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in the book, there's a chapter called Fears two

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<v Speaker 2>Boys and but regret as her bees, And for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I would hate to like regret my life

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<v Speaker 2>because I just didn't do what God said because it

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<v Speaker 2>scared me so much, and so I spent the next

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks writing down what I thought was funny with

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<v Speaker 2>the dual identity of being that you're an American and

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<v Speaker 2>people who have and I almost I was so scared

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<v Speaker 2>of forgetting my lines, so I didn't do it. Like

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, when you get familiar with comedy, you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to improv, You're able to go with the jokes

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<v Speaker 2>to a crowd. Work that was not my case. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, can y'all please start laughing? Y'all go

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<v Speaker 2>rest me up. And that was the first time that

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Wow, I really really trusted God to

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<v Speaker 2>do something out of like the norm for me and

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<v Speaker 2>it worked out.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was so scared.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, hey, God, I want to do

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<v Speaker 2>this again, but if I know, I'm good if it's

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<v Speaker 2>not an audience of Nigerians with the same material.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that I did DC's Funniest College Student Competition.

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up winning for GW and part of winning

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<v Speaker 2>means you perform at the DC improv and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, I think I can do comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it still scared me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that story. I talk about the story

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<v Speaker 1>when you moved to New York though, what happened with

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<v Speaker 1>that when you had no money or you.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 2>So that was like, well, those were like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first moments. And then of course, like you keep

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<v Speaker 2>going and then.

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<v Speaker 1>And this voice becomes more familiar to you as you hear.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely, Like I know, like anytime I take a bath,

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<v Speaker 2>I always just bring my notepad and a pen because

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm still and I'm like set, like God, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to hear from you, that's when I'm like so

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<v Speaker 2>tapped in and so tuned in.

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<v Speaker 4>Inevitably I'll come out and I'll write something that I know.

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<v Speaker 2>All this is like waiting to download with me on

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<v Speaker 2>because he's always talking. And sometimes it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a feeling like I should go there, or I

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<v Speaker 2>should go do that, and sometimes it's like audible direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I was trying to avoid going to med

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<v Speaker 2>school by going to live in Liberia, which is just

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<v Speaker 2>finishial war because it's easier to like go to war

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<v Speaker 2>torn countries than to dismantle your parents' hopes and dreams.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the.

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<v Speaker 2>Last weekend I was there, I met this woman named Jackie,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was at a wedding it was literally I

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<v Speaker 2>met her one day. She was from New York. She's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you have me give my daughter, and that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>We went our separate ways. A couple months later, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I want to move to New York. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really going to do this comedy thing, I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>try it. So I just have enough to like buy

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<v Speaker 2>a bus ticket. Right, I'm like, I don't know where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wanna stay. All I know is like, I gotta

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<v Speaker 2>get out of Maryland. So I get on a bus.

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<v Speaker 2>It's four hours. I'm texting everybody I know, like, hey.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you in New York?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I jump on your couch for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I just post on Facebook. I was like, coming

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<v Speaker 2>to New York, need a place to stay, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was it. Two hours into my ride, I get a

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<v Speaker 2>message from Jackie that says call me.

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<v Speaker 4>She gets your.

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<v Speaker 2>Number and she goes, are you on your way to

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<v Speaker 2>New York. I'm like yeah, She's like, you can stay

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<v Speaker 2>in our basement apartment. My daughter is away of college,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's yours. I lived with this woman that I

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<v Speaker 2>had met once before I left war torn Liberia for

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<v Speaker 2>six months renfree. Those are the things where I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have all the answers before you go. I

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<v Speaker 2>was on a bus heading somewhere and I had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea where I was gonna stay and lay my head.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I went, without all the information, without every

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<v Speaker 2>tea cross and every I dotted, my answer came. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's where like my faith really, like definitely like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't extend those I've seen too much, Like I can't

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<v Speaker 2>back down, Like it's just it's just wild to because

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<v Speaker 2>the way I know how he works, I know how

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<v Speaker 2>he operates. And even now, like even bringing on the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship whereeople, like you think you're ever gonna meet someone

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<v Speaker 2>like Bro, I'm a immigrants who's living up our Wallace

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<v Speaker 2>dreams in Allywood.

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<v Speaker 4>There's eight billion people on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like finding me one man is the easiest

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<v Speaker 2>thing I could do. It doesn't even cost in my

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<v Speaker 2>mind that it won't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the right attitude to have. I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people would describe that. Also, not to say

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not, you know, have a relationship with God.

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<v Speaker 1>You obviously do, but a lot of people would say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's instinct or the knowing, like your intuition when you

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<v Speaker 1>can sit still and really hear yourself and hear your desires,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's someone telling you or whether it's an innate

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<v Speaker 1>feeling or an instinctual intuition, whatever. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people can relate to that. I love though. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the way you're talking about it. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>way that you believe in it, because I think when

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<v Speaker 1>we believe in things, it becomes true. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people are like, I don't believe in that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe in that. I don't believe It's like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the fuck is going on. Nobody knows what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on in this world. When somebody's like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no UFOs, I'm like, you don't know that. What are

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<v Speaker 1>you talking about. There's plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>You have this belief and it's closed and shut, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the end of the case. You know, like your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion is valid because it's yours.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the one thing that is certain in

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<v Speaker 2>life is you live at the level to.

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<v Speaker 4>What you believe. Right, if you believe, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>they're good people in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've just I choose to be optimistic and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the face of like bad things happening and

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<v Speaker 2>bad people coming to you, you're still like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope and they find joined their live, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna still choose to believe that there are better

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<v Speaker 2>people out there are good people.

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<v Speaker 4>So you just live at the level to what you believe.

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<v Speaker 4>And some people, for.

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<v Speaker 2>All a young age, have been like stunded to like

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<v Speaker 2>be like the world is stress, everything's sass.

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<v Speaker 1>To have to have limited belief systems, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>sum that aren't always growing, always expanding, like the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>The key to I think true awareness and enlightenment is

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<v Speaker 1>to have your opinion changed constantly to start believing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about QAnon. I'm talking about like learning

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<v Speaker 1>as you grow, like oh, I actually I'm open to

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<v Speaker 1>this or and I accept this, and yes that might

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<v Speaker 1>be a possibility. Just because it hasn't happened to you

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it can. But I love the attitude. I

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<v Speaker 1>love all of it, like I can totally relate because

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<v Speaker 1>when you have high vibes, you get high vibe things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, things come your way, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I love what you said about feasible because it's like

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<v Speaker 2>none of us are are the thing, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>the thing as I was while I was seventy, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's some character traits that are like these are the

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<v Speaker 2>things that make me. But like when new information, when

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<v Speaker 2>you read new books, when you when you go to therapy,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have different conversations, your world enlarger than expands

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<v Speaker 2>and you're able to be like, oh, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like doing that, Like now I like doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wasn't ready to bring that into my life

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<v Speaker 2>at that point when you first asked me. But like

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean like, oh, you're a flip flopper. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I just have new information now, Like I just enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>growing and learning. And then some things I used to do,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do it anymore. Like God really got me

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<v Speaker 2>to a place, especially the pandemic. He was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>need you to trust you as much as you trust me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to be a little bit more quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to know that because I love you

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<v Speaker 2>and you love me, and I'm in you, that the

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<v Speaker 2>decisions you will make will be from a place that

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<v Speaker 2>make me proud as opposed to be like God, is

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<v Speaker 2>this what you want? God?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this what you want?

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's just like whoa that was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not all the choriny reels anymore, like you have

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<v Speaker 2>the bicycle go. And I think sometimes people just like

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<v Speaker 2>are chained even to like, well, this is what our

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<v Speaker 2>relationship was like, and God, like, why would you leave me?

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<v Speaker 4>I need you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I'm not a good parent if like you're

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<v Speaker 2>connected to my hip all the time. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>trust and know my voice and my love is in you,

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<v Speaker 2>so move accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the last book that you read? Oh, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned books. I'm a big book a reader. We'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to talk a lot about books on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Your last favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Book, Uh yah, yas the tresenta Kingdom was a really

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<v Speaker 2>good one, and then Seven Days in June was a

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<v Speaker 2>really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what's that I haven't heard of seven Days in June.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time I checked, there were thirty Reilly.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd dealt with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's by Tea Williams. It's a love story by these

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<v Speaker 2>two authors who spent seven days in June when they

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<v Speaker 2>were younger, and it was just like a whirlwind and

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<v Speaker 2>then like they separated. But then all of your books

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<v Speaker 2>are like low key about this intense love that they had.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they reunite.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I like that. That sounds cute.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then summer I like to dip into a lot of fiction.

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<v Speaker 4>What about you give me some recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm reading Covenant of Water right now. I'm reading Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>Augusty's autobiography. Oh, I have a good book for you,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky Girl. That's a good book. It's about these four

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<v Speaker 1>queer women while some are non binary, and these four

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<v Speaker 1>queer friends that live together and they work at like

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<v Speaker 1>a magazine that's about to get canceled, not canceled, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have no money, you know, so they're about to

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<v Speaker 1>get shut down. And then these new people come in

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<v Speaker 1>and there's kind of a lot of affairs and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all good friends. So it's fun and it's fiction, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice and light. And then there's another one that

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<v Speaker 1>I read that was really good. Wait, that's Lucky You.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky You is a great book.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's about a girl that grows up in Kenya,

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<v Speaker 1>moves to America and she has a really overbearing mother

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<v Speaker 1>and then she's kind of confronting the racism in America

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<v Speaker 1>compared to where she grew up in Kenya, where she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel that kind of she doesn't feel American racism.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, when you grew up in Kenya, you're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by all black people, so shut up and stop complaining.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of what the vibe she comes in with.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the transformation after spending so many years in

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<v Speaker 1>America and how different it is here when it's not

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<v Speaker 1>all black people, you know, and what you're up against.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a really good book. I learned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot from that. It's fiction, but it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>I can relate. I can't wait to get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be right back, and we're back. It happens so fast.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready to give some advice?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready to give some adviceive on, you won't

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<v Speaker 1>be what this podcast is. We have people that write

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<v Speaker 1>and call in and we give advice. So get your

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<v Speaker 1>shit together, girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Katie Wrights, Dear Chelsea, I have two questions, really, First,

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<v Speaker 3>does Chelsea have any advice for someone who has public

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<v Speaker 3>speaking anxiety but wants to try stand up? My anxiety

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<v Speaker 3>surrounding public speaking is pretty intense. I typically physically shake

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<v Speaker 3>and my voice gets stuck and garbled. I love to write, however,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've been working on some jokes, but the thought

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<v Speaker 3>of speaking in public and being in front of anyone

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<v Speaker 3>terrifies me. Does this mean that maybe trying this just

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<v Speaker 3>isn't in the cards for me? Eventually, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>submit a writing packet for a show or comedian, which

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<v Speaker 3>would be a dream come true, especially due to the

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<v Speaker 3>slim chance that anything would come from trying stand up,

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<v Speaker 3>which I know isn't logical or very realistic, given that

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<v Speaker 3>the dream outcome would be to get a comedy writing position.

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<v Speaker 3>Should I start there instead? This idea actually makes me

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<v Speaker 3>a lot happier to even contemplate. So maybe it's the

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<v Speaker 3>road I should try first, even knowing that it's an

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<v Speaker 3>extremely competitive field and I know nothing would probably come

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<v Speaker 3>of it. At least I wouldn't regret not trying. I'd

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<v Speaker 3>be so grateful for any sort of direction or advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me start from a medical standpoint. You can talk

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<v Speaker 1>to your doctor about beta blockers. You will not shake.

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<v Speaker 1>I've used beta blockers, my sister. Everyone I know has

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<v Speaker 1>used a beta blocker at some point in their lives

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<v Speaker 1>when they're too nervous, So that kind of cuts off

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<v Speaker 1>that signal that your brain sends to your body that

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<v Speaker 1>makes you shake or where you get dry mouth, or

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<v Speaker 1>it solves a lot of problems. If you're comfortable doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would highly recommend it because beta blockers work and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to take them forever. They kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rewire your brain to stop getting so nervous. I would

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<v Speaker 1>also recommend that, I mean, to any person that really

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<v Speaker 1>wants to face their fears, doing stand up comedy is

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to face your fears. You're always going

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<v Speaker 1>to be happy that you did it, regardless of what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to be happy that you took the step

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<v Speaker 1>towards making that happen. But if writing is also like

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<v Speaker 1>something that appeals to you, I think there's a much

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<v Speaker 1>better chance of success with writing than there is with

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<v Speaker 1>being in front of the camera. I feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>odds are slightly lower for being in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>camera than they are being a writer. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with writing, you can do that and that doesn't make

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<v Speaker 1>you nervous and it doesn't make you scared, and so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of benefits that come with that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Following your path and it sounds like that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it is your path, but I would still

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<v Speaker 1>try stand up just to try it because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>exhilarating to do that. And I too have experienced shakiness

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<v Speaker 1>on stage and stuff, and that's how I found out

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<v Speaker 1>about beta blockers. I don't use them now because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need them now, but I did have a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time where I did need them, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>can help in them. Yvon, what do you think.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of things? So I would say, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>really interested to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Into the root of your social anxiety and you're able to,

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<v Speaker 2>I would try emd R therapy because that actually like

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<v Speaker 2>gets right into like where did this fear come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what is it rooted in that makes you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like whenever you get in front of people, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>so present that it blocks you. So if you're able to,

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<v Speaker 2>I would try that because I think that's not just

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<v Speaker 2>showing up in public speaking, that's showing up in other

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<v Speaker 2>areas of your.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, and that's getting to the root of the matter

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<v Speaker 1>rather than putting a band aid on it, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what it beta blocker propenolol would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, I mean, because that's just like for life,

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<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna you're gonna be around people for as

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<v Speaker 2>long as your life, right, So whether you just want

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out, like why why do I feel like this?

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<v Speaker 4>And is there ever is there any freedom from this?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I would say.

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<v Speaker 2>First two, I would be more mindful and cognizant when

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<v Speaker 2>you say things like when you just read even though

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<v Speaker 2>I know nothing will ever come of it, you have

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<v Speaker 2>what you believe.

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<v Speaker 4>So words are so important for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm huge on whatever you say is like

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<v Speaker 2>an arrow. So if you're like I just believe that

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<v Speaker 2>something could come of it, even if you're not sure

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. If you're starting a set to this

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<v Speaker 2>would be like I I know that you know nothing

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<v Speaker 2>will ever have it, It's like, well, nothing will ever happen,

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, So it's like a self fulfilling privacy.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's that just on the just in general terms.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I would also say, like, just also to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to our body, like the things that make us

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<v Speaker 2>feel better.

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<v Speaker 4>I do that, Like I think like so with somehow

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<v Speaker 4>society has been like push faster, your fears go to

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<v Speaker 4>the end.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like, but what I do want to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't like it, you know what I mean,

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I I have a fear of blood, and I

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 2>was still like majoring in freaking biology, thinking I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a doctor, like I don't like blood, like

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<v Speaker 2>so there's no verse, Like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Was gonna be an obgyn. The hell was like Dickie,

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<v Speaker 4>So like that didn't bring me joy.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved talking to people, so I got my master's

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<v Speaker 2>in public health.

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<v Speaker 4>I love traveling. I got my masters in global public health.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just like those things actually made sense

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and they brought me joy, and I was good at

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>them because they made me feel good. So it's like, yes,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 2>you can push faster fears, and there's sometimes where fears

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 2>are quippling because it's stopping from doing the thing that

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to do. But then's sometimes I think people

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>like just do the hard thing because it's hard, and

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>someone told them that they have to do the art.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, biggy girl.

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<v Speaker 2>From what I'm hearing, I feel like you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a really good comedy writer. Get a comedic friend, and

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>like write jokes for them, so then you kind of

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 2>get the best of both worlds of being on tour

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>having your jokes be centered, but then you being behind

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>the scenes and then maybe enough breaths of that in

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>a new season you get you see that it's not

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so bad, and then you're able to come to the forefront.

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>It's finny, like everything doesn't have to happen all at once.

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>There can be stages to your life and to your dreams.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think too, you know, stand up doesn't

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 3>necessarily have to be like, oh, that's her end goal,

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Like she wants to be a writer, but if she

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 3>were to take a class or do a couple open

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 3>mic nights, get her jokes out there, she would be

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 3>able to see like what's working, what doesn't like, what

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 3>does it actually sound like, you know, when it's up

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<v Speaker 3>on stage, And it'll help her refine her jokes a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also love what like I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like Tina Say and Amy Poehler. I love how they

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<v Speaker 2>were very much like, yeah, we couldn't be stand ups,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 2>but we can be sketch artists. So like they're still

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 2>very front incenting, you know them as comedic women, but

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 2>they're not stand ups, right, and they are very vocal

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<v Speaker 2>about like no, that's a different beast. And I love

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<v Speaker 2>that because I think it shows that there's different ways

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<v Speaker 2>to be comedic and to be front and center would

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily be like so the other day I was

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<v Speaker 2>walking down the street, you know, like it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a different there's different chy points for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're really itching for that experience, go and do it.

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, try it a couple times if you really

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>want to overcome that. But again, you don't have to.

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>But if it's gonna make you feel good, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel a little bit brave, and it will

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>only lend itself to your writing as well, because so

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a big appreciation for it after you

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<v Speaker 1>try to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 3>One of my girlfriends just tried to stand up for

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 3>the first time, and she was like newly out as queer.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 3>She was like really scared to sort of like get

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 3>up in front of a random room. So she took

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 3>a class that was all women. It was super supportive

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 3>and like even if Katie just took a class, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even if she told herself, like I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>do the final thing where I get up in front

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<v Speaker 3>of people, but just even like getting in a class

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<v Speaker 3>and like seeing how that feels.

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 2>And then also thinking the brush it off, like make

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>your goal to just be to have fun, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think sometimes like what the intention you set, like if

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I want to do them five minutes, set

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>just this is new for me and this is scary

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm actually being vulnerable, and so really a win

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of this class would just be to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to talk to you guys for two minutes

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>without feeling a little to fear that's okay. Just set

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<v Speaker 2>that as the goal, even if somebody else in the

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<v Speaker 2>classes like, yeah, I'm going to open up maddage to

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<v Speaker 2>square guard and at the end of.

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<v Speaker 4>This class, I cool, God bless you.

0:32:58.800 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 3>Well Katie, let us on how it goes. Our next

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 3>question comes from Sarah. Sarah says, Dear Chelsea, I need

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<v Speaker 3>some advice with dating. Full disclosure, I'm a thirty four

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 3>year old straight female and a virgin. I haven't had

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 3>a boyfriend since college. I have no idea how to date,

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<v Speaker 3>and to be honest, it terrifies me, like heart racing,

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 3>literally being scared to go on a date. I recently

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>got back on a dating app hinge and I was

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<v Speaker 3>asked out on a date. I immediately started panicking and

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<v Speaker 3>told my friend, I can't do this. I'm too scared.

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh what the hell is wrong with me? Chelsea? And

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<v Speaker 3>what advice do you have for me to get past

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<v Speaker 3>this fear? Please help Sarah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh geez, that's terrible. Well she needs to go to

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<v Speaker 1>therapy too and figure out why she's so scared of

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<v Speaker 1>a date. It should and I listen, the only thing

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>you can do to diminish fear is to attack it.

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm a perfect example of being scared of

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<v Speaker 1>so many things and just go going after it and

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>then the fear diminishes. Like for dating, I've definitely been

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>nervous to go on dates, and you know, I've definitely

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 1>had too much to drink because I was too nervous

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to go on a date. And then I realized, who

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the fuck gives a shit? Like you're putting too much

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.760
<v Speaker 1>pressure on the actual date. You should. The more dates

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you have, the less anxious you're going to be about it.

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>So you I would beg you to figure out a

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<v Speaker 1>way to go on five dates in a week so

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>that you can just get over this hump of fear

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and understand that it's not the end of the world,

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Like nothing is that important to be that scared about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean other than somebody being sick or dying,

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Like it's supposed to be fun. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why you would, you know, be so so scared unless

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<v Speaker 1>there was a real deep issue that you would have

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to work out again with a therapist. But in lieu

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of that, I would say to practice it as often

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>as you can, even if you want to just say, hey,

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>we're going out as friends on the first date, I

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>just want you to know that, you know, if you

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>want to take the pressure off of the situation, I

0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>just want to meet somebody and get to know somebody first.

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want any expectations to take some of the

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>pressure out of it so it doesn't feel so intimidating. Yvane,

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>what do you think?

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I agree one thousand percent, like there there should definitely

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<v Speaker 2>be some therapy to get to the root of what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening too. I'm curious to know what happened in college

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>in terms of why she hasn't been on a date

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 2>since college, because like, from eighteen to thirty five, it's

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a long time to not have gone out with somebody,

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>even it's just friends. So it's just like there's a

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 2>web and bite, Let's go get some pizza, let's go bowling.

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 4>That's something.

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>And then I think what happens with a lot of

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>women who are waiting, especially a lot of women who

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:37.839
<v Speaker 2>are virgins, because you know, you have the folks who

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>like celibate or you know whatever, want to get virgins.

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>They feel like it's the scarlet let. They feel like,

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, what if he wants to have sex with me,

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 2>or what do I say? And then what if he

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like me?

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 4>What I tell him? I'm a virgin? And it's just

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 4>like what the hell? It's so much pressure.

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And it's also like I remember I learned this a

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>long time ago, Like it's actually very rude to the

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.479
<v Speaker 2>man to believe that all he wants from you is sex.

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 4>He could just be like, I just want to stay,

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 4>have a good time. I just want to get to

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 4>know your name.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 2>And also see if like we vibe before we even

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>get to sex. Right, I've had long term relationships and

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 2>sets was not on the table, and we have had

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic time. And so I think too, it's it's

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 2>this is more almost a reflection of like does she

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 2>think that she is worthy? Does she think that she

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 2>is a good time? Because I know, like there were

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>seasons where I didn't think I was beautiful. I wanted

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>to beat in a relationship, but because I didn't like really

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>fully see myself as that chick, that girl, it was

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>almost kind of like, okay, you know, I mean I

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 2>used to say the stupidest things. I'm like, I like, God,

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>do like me bad?

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 6>As?

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 4>Did I have no choice in this? You know, like

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 4>what if I don't like them?

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 4>Who the hell? Who's said that I didn't have a choice?

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>And so it's like once I got my bad girl

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 2>ish up, it was like, oh baby, I'm a king builder.

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I know we not have a sex, but like you

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.240
<v Speaker 2>can have sex with everybody else, but what you can't

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>have is what I bring to the table.

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 4>And maybe it's a lot.

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>So you can still decide to not rop And that's

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 2>fine because I'm not for everybody in that way, but

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I know that they're the people that I haven't been

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>for bit fire, and so it's just now finding that

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 2>bit So for her, I would just say, one, get

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 2>to the root of what this is, to ask yourself,

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 2>for real, do you love you? Do you feel like

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 2>you're beautiful. Do you feel like you're a worthy date?

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Like a guy is going to enjoy the heck out

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>of getting to know you. Have you gotten to know you.

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 1>And write those things down, that you are worthy, that

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>you're a queen, that you're a boss, that you're confident

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>enough to go on dates and and actually decide if

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>you like that person, because it's not about what they

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:38.879
<v Speaker 1>think about you. Just like you, John said, we get

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>hung up on that we want people to like us

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>when we're too stupid, and then we realize, wait, I

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.320
<v Speaker 1>don't even like you. So you got to say to yourself,

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you got to write down some positive affirmations for yourself,

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>because I think you're in your head. I mean, I

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>know you're in your head if you're feeling this nervous

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's normal to be nervous about things like this.

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 1>That's totally okay, but it shouldn't hinder you from actually

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>following through on the actual date and set yourself up

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 1>for success. Go to a place where you're gonna be

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the most comfortable that you can possibly be. And I'm

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.439
<v Speaker 1>not joking when I say do it as many times

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 1>in a row as you can do it to get

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the nerves out of your system and extinguish that that

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>insecurity that you're feeling. And clearly it's a bigger issue.

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>But like all these steps that you take to sort

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>of self heal, they all start to build up together

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>and then things become much easier because you're being proactive

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>about your own well being when you actually are like, no,

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do this because it's gonna be good for me,

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>rather than fall into your nervous side and say no, no,

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:39.879
<v Speaker 1>forget it, I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna stay home.

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 4>And also find your sexy too, And that means so

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 4>many different things for so many different people, right, but

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 4>like finding that sexy like whatever it is for you,

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't know on a houshold you or how short

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 4>you are on being I'll split like that has nothing

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 4>to do with the sexiness of the continents because if

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 4>you if you know, like you'll want to walk on

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 4>a role I'm the bed a stick in here, like

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 4>and that's not just something you say like, that's something

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 4>like you're going to eat actually have to believe because

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 4>especially I mean tells you though being in Alleywood, you

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 4>walk in the room and like that's a line of

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 4>bounds up in here, my god. But then you're just

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 4>like that's cool. I'm also in here, so that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>also beautiful.

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm also that chick and also trust and know that, like,

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>there are going to be some guys who are not

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna rock with you because you were virgin, and that's fine.

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 2>They're lost. You're not for everybody. I would always say like,

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:26.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm not looking for our.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 4>Thousand guys, so like that's also a lot of pressure.

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I need one good dude, like that's it.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.240
<v Speaker 2>And I used to friend zone myself a lot because

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I did have that thing of like I would just

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 2>crack jokes and I'd be the funny girl and it's like, damn,

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 2>well a lot have been on the dating two years

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>because everyone's your friend.

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.800
<v Speaker 4>And so it's like when I talk about finding your sexy,

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 4>it's that thing of being able to like look at

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 4>some dude and just be like, Okay.

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I used to do the stupidest thing, Josey, And when

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>guys asking my number, I'm be like, you have my

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>email address?

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 1>That is so stupid. I love that. It's like what

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>does that mean? Also, five bad dates are going to

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>lead a good one. Like the sooner you get through

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the bad dates, the sooner you're gonna find the good one.

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 1>And it's a trial and error, that's what online dating is.

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>So you took the first right step with Hinge, and

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 1>now we need you to go on some dates and

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>fuck your nervousness. Do whatever it. Take an edible, have

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 1>a drink, whatever you want, don't don't get wasted, but

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 1>have something to take the edge off. Beta blockers, Yeah,

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:20.720
<v Speaker 1>take a beta blocker.

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Go to your doctor and get propana all. That's a

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>beta blocker that'll help your Yeah, don't get row hipnawl.

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Don't confuse row hipnol with a beta blocker.

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 3>And I think a couple of just practical things that

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 3>she can do on hinge is set the expectation right

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 3>up front, like looking for friends and maybe more so

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 3>like you're not committing anybody who hits you up. You're

0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 3>not committing to anything more than like, we're just seeing

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 3>what this turns into.

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I went on a date the other night and I

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm a forty eight year old woman, and

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I hope he doesn't think what

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>if I don't like him? And I was like, if

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't like him, you're leaving, And that's exactly what

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I did. I had a drink and then I was like, sorry,

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to dinner with my sisters. I'm leaving now, right,

0:40:58.560 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 4>And that was it.

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't happening, it wasn't on. There were no expectations.

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>And you're in charge. You're a woman, you get to

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>decide what's going to happen.

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have choice, supposedly, that's like, that's like, that's

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>a away right there.

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 3>This exact scenario happened to Actually, the same friend who

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:18.359
<v Speaker 3>just came out of queer turned out she wasn't into

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 3>guys and that's why she was always panicking on dates.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 3>So you know, maybe expand our search.

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, yeah, expand your search, really expand it.

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Sarah, let us know how it goes, and we

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 3>have our collor color just came so. Felix says, I'm

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 3>a queer person, gay, demisexual, says gender man, which means

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm a boy who likes boys, but not very often.

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 3>I was raised in a very religious home. In fact,

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 3>my father is a pastor of a megachurch in my

0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 3>home state in the South. My parents love me very much,

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 3>but my sexuality has always been the rainbow elephant in

0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>the room. I was outed by some youth group members

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 3>when I was in college, and it nearly cost my

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 3>father his job. When it happened, I went back in

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:04.240
<v Speaker 3>the closet, But after college, I moved out of state

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 3>and have pretty much been living as an openly queer

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 3>person ever since. In fact, I'm a qualified contestant for

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Mister Gay America this year pretty fucking gay, so I'm

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 3>pretty much out, not so on social media. Whenever I

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 3>post anything queer related, I have a setting that hides

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 3>it from my friends and family and my church. I

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>want to be proud of my accomplishments as the state

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 3>title holder which qualified me for Mister Gay America, and

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 3>when I eventually meet someone special, I want my family

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 3>to be happy for me and come to my wedding.

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 3>I love my parents very much, and they make a

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 3>point to tell me they love me and pray for

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 3>me daily. But they're convinced I'm on a horrible path

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>and living out my truth as a queer person will

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 3>lead to ruin. I have an incredibly supportive sister and

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 3>brother in law who are both licensed therapists and run

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.319
<v Speaker 3>a lot of interference, so that's helped a lot. But

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 3>we've been putting off this conversation as a family for

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.879
<v Speaker 3>a long time. Not being able to fully receive love

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.840
<v Speaker 3>from my parents because it's predicated on me being something

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm not has taken its toll over the years, and

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 3>it's finally bubbling to the surface. My question is this,

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 3>how do I convince my parents that they raised a

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 3>good kid? Or I guess, how do I exist as

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 3>a queer person without breaking my parents' hearts? And beyond that,

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 3>how do I handle the backlash that I know is

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 3>going to come for my old church love? Felix, Hi, Felix.

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 5>Hi, how you doing?

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 2>Hi?

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Felix. Our special guest today is Yvonne Orgie.

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 4>I'd be lex, Oh.

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 5>My god, Hi, how are you?

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 4>I I'm good. Are you about the board of flight?

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:31.399
<v Speaker 5>No, actually just deplaned from one.

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:35.360
<v Speaker 1>So good eye, von good eye.

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:37.399
<v Speaker 4>I was like, feelings, do you work?

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 6>Or I'm actually traveling for a pageant in Atlanta for

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 6>Mister Gay America?

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Or is this a different pageant?

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so this is a prelim to Mister Gay America.

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 6>So we'll be competing for mister Gay Southern.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, this is we have two pageant queens here.

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Well I wasn't quite the queen, but I was. I

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>was on my way, and then I decided to re route.

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 4>She was top fifteen out of fifty, so.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 5>Excellent.

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I was tough fifteen out of sixteen.

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 5>There you go.

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Anyway. I feel like, so your family southern and religious.

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, pretty pretty stereotypical Southern Baptist religious, very anti gay,

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 6>anti trans all that good stuff.

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, and they know you're gay.

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:23.919
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's kind of like the rainbow elephant in the room.

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 6>We don't talk about it. They never asked me who

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 6>I'm dating or things like that. It's just something that

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 6>we don't really talk about.

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I think that's probably why you don't have

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>sex a lot, or you don't want to have sex

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot, because you've probably feel so much shame because

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of the way that you were raised and everything you

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>know around your family, which is very common actually. But

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say to you, this is the life that

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.279
<v Speaker 1>we're given, you know what I mean, This is the

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>chance that we get. If you're living your life for

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 1>your family, then you're not living your life for yourself

0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>and you have to really dig deep and figure out

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>what's more important. Is it the approval of your family,

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 1>is it the approval of your church, or is it

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 1>your own growth and your own happiness and joy?

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not fair for you to have to

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>take on their opinions and their judgments and prohibit you

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>from blooming, you know what I mean, and to the

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.719
<v Speaker 1>person that you're supposed to be. And it sounds like

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.319
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what you're allowing them to do.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And I've definitely allowed them to do it for

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.399
<v Speaker 6>a long time. I mean, I think for me, it's

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 6>just the you know me coming out, you know again

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 6>to them and being like this and this is me,

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 6>this is my truth and they would just take it,

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 6>you know so personally and which just cause a big

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 6>group to the family.

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 5>And I don't know if I'm strong enough to handle up.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.359
<v Speaker 1>But you are strong enough. You are. We're all strong enough.

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>It's we all have a reservoir of strength that we

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>don't even know about until we have to get in

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 1>touch with it. So you are strong enough. It's a

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.400
<v Speaker 1>matter of choice if you're ready to do it, and

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I would are you in therapy I am.

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm also a person living with schizophrenic Yes, that's

0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 6>a whole other topic, but therapy is more towards like

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.399
<v Speaker 6>helping strategies and things like that.

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you have schizophrenia?

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.840
<v Speaker 6>I do schizo effective disorder, which is schizophrenia plus a

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 6>mood disorder which is really fun.

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and you're medicated for that.

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yeah, medication definitely helps. So maybe they'll lead you know,

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 6>pretty pretty normal life thankfully.

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Avon, what are your thoughts on this subject matter?

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 4>When we were hearing your story, there was something you said,

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 4>you said, how do I get my parents to or

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 4>how do I the reality? Like you can't make anyone

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 4>do anything. You could desire things to the people, but like.

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>There's no version that you can make anyone to you

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>as you want to be seen, love you like you

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 2>want to be like that.

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 4>Like so I think there is a there's going to

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.359
<v Speaker 4>have to be a a.

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Separation of desire and expectation in order for you to

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>like fully get beat and joy. And this is not

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 2>at all comparing my situation to your situation to very

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 2>different things. But I remember when I was when I

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 2>she saw my parents that wouldn't do comedy mind you.

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I had been the good Nigerian girl. I had gotten

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the masters. I was in church, do all the things.

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>They I told them I was gonna move to New York.

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Our relationship was straying.

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 4>For eight years.

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I would call and like, havevych other's day. I got it,

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 2>be gotty get by back. Today I'm like, well, what

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the hell sick?

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 4>You died it? What's going on? Right?

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 2>And so it can't be my well right now for

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 2>joy or understanding because they don't understand. So I had

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 2>to find my tribe. I had to find the people

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that I knew cared for me, loved me, champion b

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>celebrated me, all those things, because like, you need all

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 2>of that when you're doing something that's different than what

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>they considered to be norm right, and so what I

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 2>also had to learn after base. In my mind, I

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, once I do this, then they will love

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>me again. Then then we'll receive me again, then they

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 2>will accept me, and then everything will be great. And

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 2>then I did the thing and it was like, but

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 2>your brother had a baby. I'm like, what the hell.

0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So it's just like all these things that I was

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 2>still combating, and I had to get in my mind,

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.759
<v Speaker 2>I just love them for where they are, for as

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 2>much as they can understand about me and what they

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 2>can love about me. Everything else, I would be doing

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 2>myself with the service by trying to force my desire

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 2>for how I want to be seen and loved on them.

0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it was sad because you're just like, damn, how

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:24.359
<v Speaker 2>come they still can't see all the things that I've

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 2>been through.

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 4>I wrote the book, you know, it was it wasn't like, Wow,

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 4>you really struggled. I'm so glad you made it. It was like, so,

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 4>why are you talking about us? And I was like,

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 4>that's what you got from.

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 6>It, that's a thousand percent my family. Like if I

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 6>told them what I was struggling with, or you know,

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 6>if they found ot I was doing this, they would,

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, be like, well, why are we talking about

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 6>our family? You know, like why you know, we're very

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 6>much like a type of family which I need to

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.440
<v Speaker 6>break away from. And like, you know, my sister is

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 6>a is a counselor, and so is her husband, so

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 6>like we're a very therapy adjacent family.

0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 5>But it's just we seem to not want to take

0:48:58.320 --> 0:48:59.239
<v Speaker 5>our own advice.

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>And and is there anyone in your family that is

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 1>on your side, so to speak, Like with regard to

0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.319
<v Speaker 1>you being gay and out as your sister, is that

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 1>someone that you have as an ally in your family.

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she's really the only one that I can talk

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 6>to about anything related to, you know, being gay or

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:16.399
<v Speaker 6>anything like that.

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And what about your friend community. Do you have some

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 1>friends that are close to you?

0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've got a fairly strong support network.

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 6>I mean it's rank over the past few years, like

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 6>dealing with some of my mental health stuff, but I

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 6>do have a core few people that I can rely on.

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I think you should really lean into that,

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I don't think you should

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>hide who you are. I really don't. It's so important

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>for each of us to really embrace everything about ourselves,

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, and really live out loud.

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>And I know I don't mean that in like you

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:50.760
<v Speaker 1>have to wave it in their faces, but you can't

0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:54.320
<v Speaker 1>diminish who you are out of fear for their reaction.

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 1>They need to get on board with the fact that

0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>they love you and it's not a choice. This is

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 1>your life, this is how you were born, this is

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>who you are. And the more that you can lean

0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 1>into that. I know it could be years, but eventually

0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:13.879
<v Speaker 1>most families come around. Yvonne's relationship with her family eight

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>years later after that strain, isn't you know, isn't as strained.

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>They did come around to the fact that she wasn't

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 1>following through with what they wanted her to follow through with.

0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>And I know it seems like a huge mountain to climb,

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it is going to be. But the

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 1>strength that you are going to gather from that climbing

0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 1>that mountain, and the self esteem that you're going to

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.759
<v Speaker 1>give yourself, and the way that it will affect and

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:40.520
<v Speaker 1>impact the rest of your life, and the way that

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>it will impact the rest of your lovers and friends

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and relationships, whether they're romantic or not romantic, is paramount

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>to how your family feels about what you're doing. You

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>can tell them you love them, but you can't be

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:55.240
<v Speaker 1>living in a dishonest way.

0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 3>And I think there's a misconception about boundaries being something

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 3>that we get to other people, but really we can

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 3>only set boundaries with ourselves. And I think it would

0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 3>be good for you to remind yourself, like on a

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 3>daily basis, like I'm only responsible for myself, and when

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 3>you really believe that you understand this backlash from your church,

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 3>that you're foreseeing anything that anybody else does and says

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:24.040
<v Speaker 3>you are not responsible for that. You're only responsible for

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.920
<v Speaker 3>what you're doing. And when you can live your truth,

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 3>that's the best way that you can represent yourself. Anything

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 3>else that happens is not up to you. It's not

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 3>your fault. You didn't cause it by coming out, even

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.240
<v Speaker 3>though they already know you know you were outed before.

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.919
<v Speaker 3>This might be the time to take your power back

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 3>and tell your truth yourself.

0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I will say, I know it is not an easy

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 2>thing because I mean obviously being in the church, like

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 2>it is beyond a community.

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:52.360
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it's like it's.

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.839
<v Speaker 2>So entrenched, and especially with your father being the head

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.839
<v Speaker 2>of the church, there are so many ripple effects that

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, even the three of us on this call

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 2>can't fully know. And it is that thing of your

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:07.320
<v Speaker 2>mind goes into like will I be in Thanksgiving?

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:08.919
<v Speaker 4>And like what if my dad loses his job?

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.399
<v Speaker 2>And it just feels like all the compounding things fall

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 2>on you. So I would say it's easy or for

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 2>us to be like this and this, it's like no, no, no,

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 2>it's very hard to be in your position right now.

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>So I just want to affirm and acknowledge that because

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it is their card to also like dismantle all of

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the things that are connected to your one decision. So

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>do know that, And so it might be a process,

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 2>a three step process. And at the same time, when

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 2>you make decisions for you, understand that it will not

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:41.960
<v Speaker 2>be the best decision for other people.

0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 4>And you cannot control what they say about you, what

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:47.279
<v Speaker 4>they do to you.

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And just know that, like two things can be true

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:53.680
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, this decision may affect them in

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a way. And then you know, you hope, you desire,

0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you pray that they can be able to stand and say, listen,

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:01.919
<v Speaker 2>even if we don't agree with this, because it's still

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.799
<v Speaker 2>our son, we love him, and so I hope you

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 2>can understand our position in loving and protecting ourselves. That's

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 2>what you would want them to say. I don't know

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:13.040
<v Speaker 2>if that's what they are prepared to say, and we

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 2>cannot control that. We cannot know that, right. And I

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>know how frustrating that made me for you as a

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 2>child who loves their parents, because there were times where

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 2>I wanted that protection right and not in the same

0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:27.240
<v Speaker 2>way obviously, but like you want that protection and sometimes

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 2>when you don't get it, it feels so sad because

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like, why don't they just know me? Why can't

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 2>they just see me and receive me? But we can't

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 2>ask those questions. We're not them because we don't know

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 2>what is in them. That's preventing that. We only know

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 2>where we are in the seat that we sit at.

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 2>So I hope you have your tribe. I am so

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 2>grateful that you have your sister and her husband in

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.239
<v Speaker 2>your life that can affirm you because you really just

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 2>need one good ally. You really just do need one

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.399
<v Speaker 2>good ally who can, like you said, cushion the blow

0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 2>for you. But it is a lot. I would definitely

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 2>be prayed for you, and I know you pray for

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 2>yourself as well, and maybe let the grays of God

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.200
<v Speaker 2>things changed. But we're not holding our breadth of that moment.

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, now that's hugely affirming.

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 6>Thank you, just because it really is not just coming out,

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 6>it's like basically saying to that entire community, I'm choosing

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 6>a quote unquote to live this way and be outspoken

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.920
<v Speaker 6>about it and just thinking about a life where everyone

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 6>knows is just I don't know, a little mind bending

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 6>for me.

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 5>I can't really crap my arms around it.

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Is there a scenario where you can be revealing about

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:34.799
<v Speaker 1>everything that's happening on Facebook or whatever. Is there a

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:37.200
<v Speaker 1>scenario where you can just take a little bit of

0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>a break from them so that everybody has time to

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of absorb the information and that you're not subjecting

0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 1>yourself to their criticism or their rejection or any of that,

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:49.439
<v Speaker 1>and you lean into your friend circle that you said

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 1>you have.

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, I guess I could do that, like

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:54.400
<v Speaker 6>make a big, long post and then go dark for

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 6>a little bit and just focus on being around my people.

0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to go dark, But I'm saying if

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 1>there was spons is going to be, if it's going

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.879
<v Speaker 1>to hurt you, and it's going to be hurtful, then

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:06.959
<v Speaker 1>you have every reason in the world to say, listen,

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:08.759
<v Speaker 1>this is my life. I have to live it. I

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>want my family support. But if you guys don't want

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>to support me, then I mean I have to take

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a break from you, you know, to kind of reinstill

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:19.359
<v Speaker 1>some confidence. You want to be loud and proud about it.

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:21.880
<v Speaker 1>You should be. Everyone else is.

0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 4>And also, I guess my question to you.

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Do you A couple buys is do you still live

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.719
<v Speaker 2>back at home in that community?

0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 4>Like do you still live down south?

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.439
<v Speaker 6>I live about three hours away, so it's close enough,

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 6>but just far o the way exactly.

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Is there a version where you can get on the

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 2>other side of America or another country? Like is there

0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.520
<v Speaker 2>anything really keeping you so close to the community?

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.439
<v Speaker 4>Is there anything really keeping you in this country? Because

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.160
<v Speaker 4>there's versions where you can.

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.919
<v Speaker 2>Time and space and this is are are blessing. Those

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 2>are also boundaries as well, and also no one's saying

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>that you have to post anything about it. I'd feel

0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.320
<v Speaker 2>like there's a version where you can just keep moving

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 2>a wedding and like, again, that's still going to be hard,

0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.319
<v Speaker 2>but it's a decision to protect your mind space and

0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 2>your heart space. I was like New York wasn't bart up.

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I had to move to LA because I know anyway

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>get on the flight. But that was parted up the

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 2>space and the distance, and then also choosing to not

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 2>engage in certain conversations just like hey, I hear where

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 2>you are. I understand your point of view. I also

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:25.800
<v Speaker 2>have shared my point of view. It doesn't feel like

0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 2>it's being understood. And I understand why, but also I

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.279
<v Speaker 2>choose nothing engaged in this conversation because there's no there's

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 2>no answer or in an impast and so let's just

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 2>not at the conversation.

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:38.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and I think there's definitely times where it's considered moving.

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 6>But you know, I do have two little nephews and

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 6>a baby knees within driving distance, so maybe when they

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.959
<v Speaker 6>get a little older, think about maybe, but in some distance.

0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I will say, as much as I know you love

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:52.320
<v Speaker 2>your niece and your nephew, that is still you putting

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 2>other people in.

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 4>Front of you. Know, I'm not at the I can't

0:56:57.600 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 4>tell you anyhing about that, like you're not, but.

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 2>It ends that you know that's still like, Hey, I

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 2>love middies and nephews, like we love that you love them.

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And at the same time they can still know that

0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you love them. Mightighty's and nephew live one hundred bizillion

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:17.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand miles away. Every time I see them, I FaceTime them.

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I you know whatever, but I'm not going to put

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:24.840
<v Speaker 2>myself in proximity to a bad family situation. But it's

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 2>like they still know that I love them. But at

0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 2>the same time I'm able to live what PRIs me joy.

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 1>So consider that, consider that impact that you're having also

0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 1>watching you know, your niece's a nephew or nephews and

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:40.120
<v Speaker 1>niece are watching you. They're going to grow up watching you.

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And do you want them to grow up watching you

0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 1>live your life fully or do you want them to

0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 1>see you being a fraction of yourself because of your

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 1>family's judgment.

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that a lot too, And Felix, as you well know,

0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 3>planes exist, so like you can visit.

0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it would be empowering for you to

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 1>get some space and time away from your family so

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that you can actually find out what your own thoughts

0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:03.000
<v Speaker 1>are and what your own feelings are and kind of

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 1>diminish the shame and work with a therapist, definitely, because

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>this is so common among gay men, you know, whose

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:12.680
<v Speaker 1>families reject them and don't understand. But please keep in

0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>touch with us and let us know what transpires and

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>give us updates because you should be empowered, and I

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.920
<v Speaker 1>hope you do feel empowered after us. Talking with you.

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Away also doesn't mean forever, as long as you get

0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:27.919
<v Speaker 2>to whatever point you feel and you can stay, I'm

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:30.600
<v Speaker 2>okay with it. That's a very different thing than be

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not okay with it and I wish So

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like you can still decide that what works best

0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 2>for you is to be this version of yourself as

0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 2>long as you're okay with you.

0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And you're not okay with it because you're calling in right.

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 5>No, this this has been I appreciate.

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, we love you and we support you and

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>we are your allies. So you know, if you ever

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:55.120
<v Speaker 1>need us again, call us back.

0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 5>We'll do. Thank you so much.

0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you love all the planet.

0:58:58.640 --> 0:58:59.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that's fun.

0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we'll do.

0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, bye, thank you, Thank you guys, sending you off.

0:59:07.280 --> 0:59:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Do you know how many people call in with that?

0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 1>How you could be a mother or a parent and

0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:14.600
<v Speaker 1>say no to your child? Oh my god, I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what tells me it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>where like everyone has a different POV right for Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we think like how about our parents do s

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<v Speaker 2>Y and Z? And I had to remember they saw

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<v Speaker 2>a war where people were like killed in front of them,

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<v Speaker 2>so some of their decisions and there was no like

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<v Speaker 2>oh e MD or therapy available for them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or like the even they're like what they just tried

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<v Speaker 2>to survive to the next day. So it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>we're making excuses, but it's like sometimes to understand I

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<v Speaker 2>would totally do some things differently than like my parents were,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have the privilege of being in America and

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<v Speaker 2>like knowing that I have another home, Like my dad

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<v Speaker 2>almost died in the war and like had to like

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<v Speaker 2>put on plane clothes and like walk three days till

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<v Speaker 2>like my grandfather's village to survive. It's like, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason why he does X, Y and Z right,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe there's a reason why like shame and embarrassed

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<v Speaker 2>her are so big in this community. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>all the factors. And then especially when you add in

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<v Speaker 2>like deep rooted religion and this is the word, and

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<v Speaker 2>the word is you know, sharper than need two edged sword,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't lie.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like all the things that come with that. It's

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<v Speaker 4>just like it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>To see, just like love, because again Jesus was still

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<v Speaker 2>the same person. When the woman who had all the

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<v Speaker 2>husbands came to him at the well, he was like

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<v Speaker 2>a girl, get some water, and I know the man

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<v Speaker 2>at home is at your book and it's just like wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what And then she was able to be like, come

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<v Speaker 2>and see a man who has shold me everything about

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<v Speaker 2>my life because he didn't like judge her, he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>shame her.

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<v Speaker 4>He just was like, I know what's up you, dursty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like that's just not what we as humans

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<v Speaker 2>who are all the way flawed, know how to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is difficult and convoluted and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times not right, but like who's to say what's right

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<v Speaker 2>and wrong other than just like how and compassion for humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back to wrap things up, and we're back Avon Orgie.

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<v Speaker 1>What an ironic last name for you? Really?

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<v Speaker 4>I have questions with Jesus what I mean him of?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think we live in on my walldle laugh

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<v Speaker 2>ning dreams here. I wait until I get married.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you. You're so vibrant and filled with good,

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff. I'm gonna DM you. I'll DM you my

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<v Speaker 1>phone number so we can hang out and have a

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<v Speaker 1>night together. Perfect, And thank you for being on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, guys, we have added more shows to My Little

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<v Speaker 1>December eighth, December ninth, I'm in Ottawa, and two new

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