1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg daybak At podcast. Good morning, It's Tuesday, 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: the sixth January. I'm Caroline Hepket in London. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, Venezuela swears 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: in a new president as the government reasserts control in Caracas, 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: while Nicholas Maduro declares his innocence in a New York courtroom. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: The Danish Prime Minister Meta Fredrickson warns a US attack 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: on Greenland would mark the end of NATO. 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: Plus Cracks widen in the UK's three hundred and thirty 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: billion pound wealth management industry as family officers start scaling back. 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: Let's start with the roundup of our top stories. 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: As the toppling of Nicholas Maduro continues to reverberate around 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: the world, Venezuela's government has sworn in Delsia Rodriguez as 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: acting president. In Caracas, there are signs of a new 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: wave of repression beginning. Witnesses have told Bloomberg that military 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: counterintelligence of IT have been patrolling the streets of Caracas. 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Several journalists are also said to have been detained. White 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller was asked if 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: Delsea Rodriguez is consulting with President Trump. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: Look, we have an oil in bargo in Venezuela. For 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 3: them to do any kind of commerce, they need our permission. 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 3: We have our massive fleet or a moto still President there. 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: This is an active and ongoing US government and military operation, 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: and so of course we set the terms and condition. 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: And also so that the US is getting complete and 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: total cooperation from the government of Venezuela. In an interview 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: with NBC, President Trump suggested the US may subsidize efforts 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: by energy companies to rebuild Venezuela's oil industry. His comments 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: underscore how the country's vast oil reserves are being seen 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: by the White House as central to both the Venezuela's 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: recovery and to US strategic interests. 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Venezuela's captured President, Nicolas Maduro, has pleaded not guilty in 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: his first US court appearance. Entered not guilty pleas to 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: the four charges he faces of narco terrorism, conspiracy, cocaine importation, conspiracy, 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: possession of machine guns, and conspiracy to possess machine guns. 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: Speaking through an interpreter, Maduro told the court that he 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: is innocent and a decent man who has been kidnapped 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: from his home. Bloomberg's Miles Miller was at the hearing. 39 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: Prosecutors lay out a case in which there was a 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: narco terrorism conspiracy benefiting four gangs, including the Cineloa Cartel 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 4: and Trenda Agras. And they believe that starting in two 42 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 4: thousand and going up until about twenty twenty, that they 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 4: moved over two hundred and fifty tons of cocaine per 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: year through Venezuela, and that happened facilitated by Murduro and 45 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 4: his wife. 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Miles Miller reporting. Maduro's wife, Celia Flores, who was 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: also in court, pleaded not guilty to the three charges 48 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: she faces. 49 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: The intervention in Venezuela has fed concerns about other controversial 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: US foreign policy actions. Denmark's Prime Minister Meta Frederickson is 51 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: warning that NATO will collapse if the US attacks Greenland. 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Here she is speaking to a Danish broadcaster for the. 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 5: First I believe that the American president should be taken 54 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 5: seriously when he says he wants Greenland. But I also 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 5: want to make it clear that if the United States 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 5: chooses to attack another NATO country militarily, then everything stops. 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 6: Sure. 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Frederickson, speaking via translator, has begun to directly warn against 59 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: a US attack and its consequences after the raid on Venezuela. 60 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has long argued that controlling Greenland is necessary 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: for US national security. European leaders have publicly defended Denmark's 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: sovereignty and NATO's principle of collective defense. 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 7: Well. 64 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: European leaders and US officials are attempting to finalize a 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: deal on security guarantees for Ukraine. Sources tell Bloomberg that 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: talks in Paris today we'll discuss the possibility of US 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: troops on the as allies attempt to coordinate their armed forces. 68 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: Getting Western military backing has been a key red line 69 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: for Ukraine, which fears Russia will undermine any peace settlement. 70 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: Former US president of the German Marshal Fund, Heather Connolly 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: says progress towards any cease far is so far one sided. 72 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 8: I'm seeing the positives on the Ukrainian and the European side. 73 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 8: Russia absolutely nothing. In fact, you see Vladimir Putin wanting 74 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 8: to expand this war, not taking any of these signals. 75 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 8: So progress on the Ukrainian European side, nothing on the. 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: Russian side right now, Heather Connolly, speaking there. Ukraine's Vladimir 77 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: Zelinski has said that he hopes to set up a 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: meeting in the US at the leader's level. By the 79 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: end of January. 80 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: Italy is expected to reverse course and back the Mercosur 81 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Free Trade Agreement, paving the way for the EU to 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: approve the deal. Plombergoder stands the vote on the ninth 83 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: of January will probably be the last you're hurdle in 84 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: sealing an agreement with this South American block of countries, 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: which has been in the works for twenty five years. 86 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: News of Italy's change of heart comes after the country 87 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: campaign to delay the treaty last month, alongside France, arguing 88 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: it still lacked appropriate agricultural protections. A spokesperson for the 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: Italian government declined to comment. 90 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: British finance chiefs are warming to the idea that AI 91 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: could supercharge their profits. Thus, according to new research which 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: shows a sharp optic in positive attitudes towards the technology 93 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: among business leaders, Blueberg's Tia at Bayo has the. 94 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 7: Story optimism is something in short supply amongst the UK's 95 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 7: Business Leader's accountancy firm Deloitte's latest positivity mesure came in 96 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 7: at minus thirteen, whilst the Institute of Director's Economic Confidence 97 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 7: Index sits at minus sixty six. But when it comes 98 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 7: to artificial intelligence, it seems that the opposite is true. 99 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 7: Deloitte's recent survey shows more than half the country's chief 100 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 7: financial officers expect a growth boost from the technology and 101 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 7: over ninety five percent prediction rising investment in the space 102 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 7: by UK firms in the next five years. While concerns 103 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 7: linger over whether AI will trigger job losses, it's also 104 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 7: hailed as a potential game changer for the weak economic 105 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 7: growth rates that have played the country for years. According 106 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 7: to Central Bank Governor Andrew Bailey, the software could usher 107 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 7: in this sort of growth last seen by computers and 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 7: the internet. 109 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 6: In London. To you added Bio Bloomberg Radio. 110 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: And those are our top stories for you this morning. 111 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: On the markets, Asian equities climbing to a record high. 112 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: MASCIAS Pacific index are by one point one percent. You 113 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: also had gains for US stocks on Monday now, so 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: that was up by almost one percent, eight tens of 115 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: one percent. Half futures are up for Europe and for 116 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: the US today, oil prices are more muted. Today they're 117 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: down three tens of one percent, sixty one dollars fifty six. 118 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: The bow looking at the Blueberg dollar spot index at 119 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: slightly weaker this morning. And when it comes to teny 120 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: treasury yields ahead of the labor market data that we 121 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: get out of the US this week, we are up 122 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: to basis points are four eighteen on teny of treasury yields. 123 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: Those are the markets. 124 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: In a moment, we'll bring you the latest on what's 125 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: been happening in Venezuela, plus why some family officers in 126 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: the UK are starting to scale back their operations. Put 127 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: another story that we've been reading this morning. Are you 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: a betting person? Would you consider, you know, going out 129 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 1: there and getting into the prediction markets game? This new area, 130 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: of course a big question around us whether it does 131 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: count as gambling or as a financial product. 132 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, having a flutter perhaps. The prediction platforms I think 133 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: have just become such a huge deal over the last year, 134 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: particularly because you can battle so many different things, or 135 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: at least you can you can yeah, place money on 136 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: so many real world events, I mean sports and politics. 137 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: The price of Bitcoin, Polymarket and Calshi are the pioneers 138 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: in this area. They are each now as businesses worth 139 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: more than ten billion dollars themselves. A lot of traditional 140 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: financial firms have also brought into this predictions industry. Steven 141 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: the promoters basically talk about it as the ability to 142 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: churn out intelligence on all sorts of things, harnessing and 143 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: continuously updating the idea of the wisdom of the crowd. 144 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: That's the kind of argument for the issue is though 145 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: that is emerging, is that markets on these platforms often 146 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: very thin. Maybe a single trader can move prices. There 147 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 2: are concerns about insider information and how that's handled, whether 148 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: there's really a system to kind of route. 149 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 6: Out bad actors. 150 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: And then that also really came to the fore over 151 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: the weekend because of a big bet around Venezuela this weekend. 152 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, a trader and poly Market made nearly 153 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars after betting on the capture of 154 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro, the biggest trades being placed just before President 155 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump announced the military operation as well. So this 156 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: is something that has led a growing number of state 157 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: regulators in the US to talk about prediction markets needed 158 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: to be treating as gambling. The big gambling firms already 159 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: treat them as competitors. 160 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: Now. 161 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: The difference, of course with these prediction markets is that 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: people are betting against each other. There's no house setting odds. 163 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: It's based on who has bet essentially the yes or 164 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: no outcome against it. 165 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 9: But it's a very interesting one to watch. 166 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: Lots of questions about how this can be regulated to 167 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: CFTC of course still missing several commissioners, so an understaffed 168 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: agency as well. This is going to be a very 169 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: interesting one to watch. It's a great read. This morning 170 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: bets on Maduro and Jesus showed promise as risks of 171 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: prediction boom. 172 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: Now let's bring you the latest on Venezuela. After Nicholas 173 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: Maduro's court appearance in New York. We have been speaking 174 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: to our senior US government edis a Derek Wallbank, and 175 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: we started by asking him what we learned from Nicholas 176 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: Maduro's court appearance. 177 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 9: It was a remarkable appearance. 178 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 10: Here you're talking about somebody who carries the title of 179 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 10: president of a sovereign state, Venezuela, looking every bit like 180 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 10: an ordinary defendant. Now Nicholas Maduro is in no way ordinary. 181 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 10: You know, he's he's a six foot three guy. You know, 182 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 10: he literally head taller than all of the security people 183 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 10: who were guarding him today. But other than that, he 184 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 10: would have been anybody in that courtroom. 185 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 9: He entered a plea of not guilty. He said he 186 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 9: was a decent man. 187 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 10: He said he had been quote kidnapped from his from 188 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 10: his hometown in Caracas, and that was the start of 189 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 10: what will be an involved process. The United States has, 190 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 10: you know, certainly a bar to clear in a legal proceeding, 191 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 10: and the Trump administration, though it has said for a 192 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 10: very long time that it has a nailed down case 193 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 10: against Maduro over drug trafficking and similar you know, this 194 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 10: is an administration that has sometimes struggled in the legal department, 195 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 10: and so this will have to be an air tight 196 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 10: case going forward. 197 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: Which could take some time, as you say. Meanwhile, in Venezuela, 198 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: DLCI Rodriguez was sworn in as acting president and the 199 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: government there has also been reasserting itself. So is there 200 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: any sign of broader change in Caracas? 201 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 10: Well, I think there's change in that one person is gone. 202 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 10: But I think the question that you have about whether 203 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 10: numbers too through infinity beyond stepping up a notch count 204 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 10: as a change is one that's echoed by a lot 205 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 10: of American lawmakers right now on both sides of the aisle. 206 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 9: You know, certainly. 207 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 10: We've heard reports about people being arrested in Venezuela. It 208 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 10: you know, looks for all the world that even though 209 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 10: Delcia Rodriguez is now making somewhat you might say the 210 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 10: word conciliatory, it doesn't quite feel right, but less bellicose 211 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 10: states today than yesterday. You know, the the Trump administration 212 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 10: would signaled that that's progress. They've put Marco Rubio, the 213 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 10: Secretary of State, who used to be a Florida senator 214 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 10: and has been involved in Latin American issues for a 215 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 10: very very long time, as a point person here. But 216 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 10: certainly I think there are a number of questions, not 217 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 10: least of which what of the Venezuelan opposition recalled that 218 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 10: Donald Trump got beaten for the Nobel Peace Prize by 219 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 10: an opposition leader, and she went on Sean Hannity, one 220 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 10: of the President's favorite TV shows on Fox News, and 221 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 10: she told Sean Hannity, a close Trump ally, that she 222 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 10: hasn't spoken to the president since October. 223 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 9: So what should we. 224 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: Be expecting from the opposition in terms of all of 225 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: this those comments, as you say, we heard from Maria 226 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: Corina Machado, But should we be expecting more from them? 227 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 10: I think the question at this point is twofold. One 228 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 10: can the opposition demonstrate an ability to actually do the 229 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 10: mechanics of governance? 230 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 9: And two? What is the Trump administration's priority going to be? Now? 231 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 9: I think they have been very very clear. 232 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 10: Certainly the president has that his goal here is stability 233 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 10: and rebound, and that rebound is going to take the 234 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 10: form of infrastructure. It's going to take the form of 235 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 10: attempts to switch back on the fullness. 236 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 9: Of resource extraction, particularly oil in Venezuela. 237 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 10: He has no secret that Venezuela has gone down by 238 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 10: most you know, by most metrics in the last many years. 239 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 9: What is there to take over? What are you taking over? What? 240 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: You know? 241 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 10: What does that look like? Who's going to want to 242 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 10: go in? Knowing that Venezuela has a history of assets 243 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 10: seizures from Western companies. President Donald Trump has said that 244 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 10: he thinks that oil majors, American oil majors think Exon Mobile, 245 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 10: think Connico, Phillips. Chevron already has a presence related to 246 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 10: then as well. You know, so what are those things 247 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 10: going to look like? That's a real that's a real 248 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 10: open question. The Energy Secretary is supposed to meet with 249 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 10: some oil companies later this week to sort of talk 250 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 10: through some of this. But how what that looks like 251 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 10: and even who's involved is something I think that is 252 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 10: very much up. 253 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: In the air, so as our seeing in the US 254 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: government out of Derek Worldbank there stay with us. More 255 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Daybreak Europe coming up after this. 256 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: Now, let's go to a story here in the UK. 257 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Family offices catering to the fortunes of wealthy clans had 258 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: proven a resilient part of the UK's wealth management industry 259 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: even after recent tax changes, but that now seems to 260 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: be changing. Joining us is our ultra wealth reporter Ben Stupples, 261 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: who has more on this story. Ben. I read your 262 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: piece with great interest. You found that these firms are 263 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: starting to scale back operations in the UK. 264 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 6: How are they doing that? Good Born in Caroline. 265 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 11: They are doing that by moving from I would say 266 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 11: some of the nicest offices that we could put money 267 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,359 Speaker 11: can buy in London and going to maybe more downmarket, 268 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 11: still nice places to work, but actually you know, for example, 269 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 11: going from a really prime location in the middle of 270 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 11: Chelsea to one actually down the road from our London office. 271 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 11: Still a good place to be, but not as nice 272 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 11: as before. Now why are they doing this? Obviously, you know, 273 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 11: family offices are very secretive. None are really telling us 274 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 11: on the record what's going on. But us we're trying 275 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 11: to read between the lines here, and what's happening often 276 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 11: is the billionaires that these firms serve, the billionaires behind 277 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 11: them are often. 278 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 6: Relocating because of the tax changes. 279 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 11: In this We've got examples of al jehin not Worth's 280 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 11: moving from the UK to Switzerland, trying to establish teams 281 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,239 Speaker 11: for their family offices elsewhere. 282 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 6: This is a really significant move because amid all the UK. 283 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 11: Welsh term orl that we've been talking about over the 284 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 11: last eighteen months, because of the non domicile changes, a 285 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 11: lot of people in the private wealth industry have gone 286 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 11: I will be fine. London is fine because the family 287 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 11: offices are all still here. 288 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 6: Yes, they are still here. 289 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 11: But what we're seeing here is the first cracks really 290 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 11: starting to show, and that is a significant development. 291 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: So talk to us about then the places that these 292 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: family officers are going to instead, where is the biggest 293 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: draw for them? 294 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 6: And why this is really. 295 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 11: Interesting, Stephen, because actually they're going everywhere, I mean all 296 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 11: the other rival wealth hubs that traditionally that we have 297 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 11: so from Monaco, I mentioned Switzerland, the United Arab Emirates 298 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 11: is rising increasingly as a big competitor for London. And 299 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 11: this is the change here. Twenty years ago, if you 300 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 11: were creating a family office, you would go, Okay, London, 301 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 11: New York, maybe Hong Kong. And now that you've got 302 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 11: a whole menu of places where you can where you 303 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 11: can basically set up the main entity if you're our 304 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 11: family office, and traditionally you maybe we'ld have one place, 305 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 11: but actually now you can have of multiple branches because 306 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 11: family offices are growing in number but also growing in 307 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 11: scale and sophistication. So what we're seeing here is London's 308 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 11: tax changes driving a global shift in the fact that 309 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 11: family offices are operating in more than one location. And 310 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 11: that is a big change from how this industry a 311 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 11: very secretive industry but very influential because these firms serve 312 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 11: billions of dollars typically each a real shift in how 313 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 11: things are operating today. 314 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean not to put the case I 315 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: suppose for these amazingly wealthy individuals, but I was really 316 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: fascinated by the point that you made in your story, 317 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 2: which is here in the UK, those family offices have 318 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: been funding a lot of startup businesses, which I thought 319 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: was really very noteworthy. You know, those businesses that may 320 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: be high growth or trying new things benefit from having 321 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: those backuts which are That was fascinated. So what do 322 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: you think might be the broader effect then on the 323 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 2: city of London. 324 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 11: Yeah, the ripple effects are starting to show, as you say, Caroline. 325 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 11: You know, family officers in the UK have accounted for 326 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 11: about three quarters in previous years for investing into the 327 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 11: venture capital ecosystem. Other ripple effects are the prime property 328 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 11: sales and prime Central London and non Don hot spot 329 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 11: ul Jahworth hotspot. They're flatlining. In the meantime, you know, 330 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 11: rental activity in that area is going up. Why because 331 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 11: al john Worths are going You know, I don't think 332 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 11: I want to live in London forever, maybe so won't 333 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 11: buy a place, but maybe I'll just rent a place 334 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 11: for a few years. And we've even had Ferrari, you know, 335 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 11: coming and saying we're actually not We're actually not going 336 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 11: to have as many Ferraris in London right now because 337 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 11: the market there are as many ol johnah Worths there. 338 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 6: So we're seeing the ripple effects. 339 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 11: It's hard to point to point your finger and go ha, 340 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 11: here's the definitive. 341 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 6: Effect of the text changes. 342 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 11: But what we're reporting here is here's another sign of 343 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 11: the spillover of the fallout from the UK basically evolving 344 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 11: in a world that's increasingly competitive for tracting our Johigh 345 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 11: networth individuals. I'm sure there will be more coming forward, 346 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 11: and I'll do my best to point them out for 347 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 11: our for our audience, this. 348 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the stories 349 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 350 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 351 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 352 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 353 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 354 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 355 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. 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