Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Okay, we are super excited today. Welcome to Still the
Speaker 1: Place with a very special guest star, Lisa Rana. My god,
Speaker 1: I said guest star. I should have said guest, but
Speaker 1: I got all excited and I got all flustered. It
Speaker 1: is so good to see we chatted way too. I'm
Speaker 1: always saying save it for the save it for the show,
Speaker 1: save it for the show. But I saw you in
Speaker 1: the lobby, and then we've already chatted so much.
Speaker 3: So fun.
Speaker 4: We go way back. I mean we go not only
Speaker 4: on the show, but in our personal lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we were neighbors in the fancy Malibu colony.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 1: I listened to Lisa and Harry's podcast, which is adorable,
Speaker 1: And the reason I had to cost you in the
Speaker 1: lobby is because so we were neighbors when you were
Speaker 1: pregnant with and had given birth to Delilah. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was a very special time. Yes, And when I was
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, I had this sense memory of
Speaker 1: being with you and Harry in that time and remembering
Speaker 1: how sweet you guys are together. And how loving you
Speaker 1: are to each other, how what good friends you are
Speaker 1: and romantic and the podcast really shows that. Just to
Speaker 1: sit there and get to hang out with such a loving, connected,
Speaker 1: supportive couple, it brought me right back.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: It was sweet to go back to that time.
Speaker 4: I love that that makes me feel good.
Speaker 1: No, it's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even when you.
Speaker 2: Guys are talking about how opposite you are, yeah, like
Speaker 2: you did recently, you always talk about how the differences are. Yes,
Speaker 2: And the one I heard recently was, well, how does
Speaker 2: that work?
Speaker 3: What are the things that are similar? You know about
Speaker 3: each other?
Speaker 2: But I think it's just when you meet someone, it
Speaker 2: just feels like you've met a soulmate.
Speaker 4: I think it is. I mean people ask us all
Speaker 4: the time, you know, as you know, when you've been
Speaker 4: married for twenty seven twenty eight years, They're like, what's
Speaker 4: the secret, And you know, I've thought about it a lot.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a secret. I think it's luck.
Speaker 4: I really do. I just think it's luck. I think
Speaker 4: we came together, it works for whatever reason, and we're
Speaker 4: just lucky.
Speaker 1: Like, well, you guys enjoy each other, Like that's what
Speaker 1: comes through in the podcast, like and you were talking
Speaker 1: and you said you haven't had any guests yet because
Speaker 1: you guys like chatting with you.
Speaker 4: It's true, we have not had one yest so.
Speaker 5: Much fun like hello, I know, I keep saying we're
Speaker 5: gonna have a guest on and then we go and
Speaker 5: I learn more about him than I mean, you think
Speaker 5: at this point, thirty two years together, you'd know everything
Speaker 5: about the person that you're married to.
Speaker 4: I don't, And all of a sudden, it's just I
Speaker 4: stay so curious, and I think that's what makes it
Speaker 4: interesting because stories come out of him. I mean, he
Speaker 4: is a storyteller through and through, and he's lived, you know,
Speaker 4: many different lives, so I find it so interesting when
Speaker 4: we start to talk about different topics. It's just really
Speaker 4: been fun.
Speaker 6: So what have you recently learned about him that surprised you.
Speaker 4: I did not know that he got a prescription subscription
Speaker 4: to Playboy at eleven?
Speaker 1: Yeah, his poor a prescription for Playboy.
Speaker 4: He was prescribed Playboy by the parents at age eleven,
Speaker 4: and not for him under the Christmas tree a subscription
Speaker 4: to Playboy. Yes, well, the brother who's two years older
Speaker 4: did not get that. And I said, what they thought
Speaker 4: you were gay? Right, they were afraid you were going
Speaker 4: to be gay, and he says that probably he didn't
Speaker 4: know for sure because at the time you're just like wow.
Speaker 1: He was like, wow, I got a Playboy.
Speaker 6: So he thought it was the coolest thing the early seventies,
Speaker 6: probably sixties.
Speaker 2: Okay, So because Harry Hamlin got a subscription to Playboy
Speaker 2: from his parents from his parents at eleven, Yes, is
Speaker 2: that what inspired you to do Playboy?
Speaker 4: No, because I didn't really know about it, which is
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting that I ended up doing it
Speaker 4: when he has this subscription it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those of you who don't remember, Lisa for Playboy,
Speaker 1: pregnant insanely gorgeous and really we're an icon for people saying,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I get to be beautiful, yeah and
Speaker 1: sexy when I'm pregnant.
Speaker 4: And I did that while I was on Melrose. Yes,
Speaker 4: and the story goes I had said I want to
Speaker 4: do this, and we reached out and they said, well,
Speaker 4: hef needs to see he needs to see polaroids. Remember
Speaker 4: at the time, there's my cell phones, said hef needs
Speaker 4: to see polaroids of me pregnant, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: So I had the makeup girl one of the makeup artists,
Speaker 4: I can't remember her name. Come to my trailer. I
Speaker 4: remember we had the paneling, Yeah, round paneling, a trailers,
Speaker 4: all trailers round paneling, round paneling, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: is good lighting and it's kind of nice. So she
Speaker 4: came in and I said. It was right before Valentine's Day,
Speaker 4: and I said, I'm want to take these pictures for
Speaker 4: Harry for Valentine's Day of me naked, and she was
Speaker 4: like okay, and she just took them and we literally
Speaker 4: put them in an envelope and sent them off, and
Speaker 4: I guess he thought they were good enough for me
Speaker 4: to host me.
Speaker 1: That's the funny. Only in Hollywood did you say to
Speaker 1: someone you come take naked pictures of me.
Speaker 4: They're like sure, yeah, during lunch hour, you know I
Speaker 4: was working.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Sure, that feels right. Yeah, it felt really right. She
Speaker 4: had no problem with it. She shot off like four
Speaker 4: or five polaroids and that was That's.
Speaker 2: What I think Calvin Klein stole that for his member,
Speaker 2: Calvin Klein's campaign for for Calvin Klein when the jeans
Speaker 2: and they were against all of this wood paneling and
Speaker 2: they're like nothing naked jeans, and I'm like, that's right,
Speaker 2: yours got they leaked them the original.
Speaker 4: There's still somewhere in that house you set the bar.
Speaker 3: Lease.
Speaker 1: Oh you do you still still have them somewhere.
Speaker 6: Oh that's fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So did you get a lot of positive feedback from
Speaker 1: women for doing that?
Speaker 4: You know, at the time, there was no social media,
Speaker 4: There was no feedback you could really tangibly get, so,
Speaker 4: you know, I probably had everything, but that was the
Speaker 4: bliss of not knowing back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's so true. Think about it.
Speaker 4: I had no idea. Yeah, it didn't matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I did it today, I'm sure there would be
Speaker 4: many people with a lot to say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the all ends of the spectrum, you'd hear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're naive. We had no idea.
Speaker 3: That was the beauty back then, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: You can just do you learn as you went, you know,
Speaker 2: redo something if you didn't like how it felt doing it.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like you do something and the world
Speaker 2: has an opinion instantly instantly. So that leads to my
Speaker 2: question list. I've wanted to know this for a while.
Speaker 2: You know, when we knew you, I had never worked
Speaker 2: with you. On Melrose because I left before you came on,
Speaker 2: but I knew you through other ways somehow. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you were an actress and before that you did the
Speaker 2: soap and you had been acting. So then you choose
Speaker 2: to do the housewives, and you choose to there's nothing
Speaker 2: to hide behind. It's not only you, but it's exposing
Speaker 2: all of you. Yeah, what was that like for you
Speaker 2: to go and let everyone in and be you without
Speaker 2: a script?
Speaker 4: It's very It's challenging, but also not because again you're
Speaker 4: still on camera. You're still interacting with other women, so
Speaker 4: you know, again it's reality. But yet you guys are
Speaker 4: still we're filming, you know, we're doing a television show.
Speaker 4: So the part about it that I think was difficult is,
Speaker 4: you know, once it aired, the fan reaction to you
Speaker 4: being yourself in that environment, and of course you can't
Speaker 4: be your full self because you're still like in an
Speaker 4: environment where they want conflict with women, which I'm not
Speaker 4: used to. I mean, we do it on camera as
Speaker 4: an actor, no problem. That was the hard part is
Speaker 4: having conflict with other women because I'm a girls girl. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so again though I'm an actor who takes really
Speaker 4: good direction, right, we take really good direction. Somebody tells
Speaker 4: us to do something, you go, Okay, I know it
Speaker 4: needs to be done. So I was very good at
Speaker 4: doing that, and I was very good at bringing you know,
Speaker 4: good television to television. But it's it's real to you
Speaker 4: and you can't just drop it at the end of
Speaker 4: the day. You take it home. You take it personally.
Speaker 4: And I found that very difficult, and.
Speaker 2: You can't do a take two, like maybe I should
Speaker 2: have said that that sounded too snarky, or it's.
Speaker 4: There, it's done, and it lives forever, as you know.
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things that you and Harry talked
Speaker 1: about on the podcast was, well, there were two things
Speaker 1: I thought were super interesting. Number one, you said that
Speaker 1: each each cast member has to pay for her own parties.
Speaker 4: And your own hair and makeup and wardrobe. WHOA, so
Speaker 4: imagine that that's the part that's the hardest because.
Speaker 6: They did it.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 4: Imagine, oh my god, all your own parties, hair and
Speaker 4: makeup because they want your real life, they want it
Speaker 4: to be I still don't buy it. I think that
Speaker 4: they're just cheap and hair and makeup should be covered, obviously,
Speaker 4: I really do. That was the hardest thing.
Speaker 2: For me, because you're in a world that they want
Speaker 2: you to be in. Like at home, you don't do
Speaker 2: your hair and makeup every single day, but you're in
Speaker 2: their world, so they should pay for how they want
Speaker 2: you to look in their world, how they demand you look.
Speaker 4: And then well that's the thing. Their take on it
Speaker 4: is you should look how you look because this is
Speaker 4: your life, and so they want that. But I didn't
Speaker 4: love that part of it because I spend all my
Speaker 4: money on hair and makeup and wardrobe, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, It just you spend it all.
Speaker 6: So this is giving me such insight. Some point was offered.
Speaker 6: Of course you were, I'm sure, and I wasn't interested
Speaker 6: in doing it, but like, this is such a revelation
Speaker 6: because I was always like, yeah, no, I'm you know,
Speaker 6: I'm not glamorous and I'm not a Beverly Hills housewife.
Speaker 6: I don't self identify like I feel like I would
Speaker 6: fit that would not fit me. And now I see,
Speaker 6: oh my god, it definitely I can't imagine if I
Speaker 6: was like my own clothes and imagine I mean.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of work. Yeah, address yourself, even just
Speaker 4: every time you have a dinner, a lunch, travel. I
Speaker 4: mean it's a lot I.
Speaker 6: Don't think people know. And you look so fabulous all
Speaker 6: the time and you did that.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It just you know. On our show, what
Speaker 4: happened was Erica Jane came on season whatever it was,
Speaker 4: and she came on at the level that was this high, right,
Speaker 4: So at that point we weren't really like dressing crazy
Speaker 4: and doing a lot of you know, fashion. She came
Speaker 4: on and we were like, oh, we got to step
Speaker 4: our game up and we all felt it. So everybody
Speaker 4: like rose up to that. So it's interesting how it
Speaker 4: ebbs and flows with who's on the show and.
Speaker 6: What season was that.
Speaker 4: I came on season five for that show too, so
Speaker 4: I come on shows season and she probably came on
Speaker 4: seven I think, or she came on right after me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that came up in the
Speaker 1: podcast that was again such a sweet moment between you
Speaker 1: and Harry is someone had asked if you were going
Speaker 1: to go back, and he said, I don't think I
Speaker 1: would let you because it was so hard on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh sweet, such a sweet yeah him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really seeing how hard it was for you and
Speaker 1: really caring and caring about you, which he so obviously does.
Speaker 1: And so my question is did it feel worth it?
Speaker 1: Like obviously it was hard emotionally, and as you were
Speaker 1: talking about those events, it would feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: once a year I have to go to a lunch
Speaker 1: or a dinner that I dread where I don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: It feels like you had to do that every.
Speaker 4: Day, every day, Wow, every day.
Speaker 1: I can even imagine.
Speaker 4: At the time that it came around, I needed a
Speaker 4: change in my life. I needed to shake it up,
Speaker 4: and I knew it. And when I I had gone
Speaker 4: into the very first auditions they had so five years earlier,
Speaker 4: I had gone in and didn't end up getting it
Speaker 4: because at the point at that point, Andy didn't want
Speaker 4: any actresses. He didn't want anybody who had a name,
Speaker 4: and so you know, move along, you know, just keep
Speaker 4: doing my thing. And then five years later when they came,
Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, Bravo is such good real
Speaker 4: estate right now. And that's the way I looked at it.
Speaker 4: Like business wise, I had just started on QVC and
Speaker 4: I saw, you know what Beth Andy Frankel had done
Speaker 4: with her businesses on the show, and I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: this might be a good thing. Eight years later. I
Speaker 4: don't think I would have I would change it because
Speaker 4: I think everything that I've done, as you know, it
Speaker 4: always leads to our next moment and it's meant to be.
Speaker 4: But I also think I left at the right time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you got some good things.
Speaker 2: You got great I mean you have a great personality,
Speaker 2: you know, like someone well, thank you you do when
Speaker 2: you don't have the script. You have this like natural
Speaker 2: personality to be out there and engaging and engage with people.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a great thing for you. And
Speaker 3: I'm glad you left then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you did it did get you a chance
Speaker 2: to do other things as well. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that you said the QVC came first.
Speaker 4: QVC came first. I had businesses while I did the show.
Speaker 4: I mean it was a super good thing while I
Speaker 4: did it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also good like you're so honest and so
Speaker 1: willing to be able. And one of the things you
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast was.
Speaker 4: To my detriment on that kind of.
Speaker 1: Show though you know, I understand in the moment it
Speaker 1: feels like to your detriment, But I think it's really
Speaker 1: important to have authentic, honest, open hearted people out there,
Speaker 1: I think even though, yes, their consequences being open and honest,
Speaker 1: but it's still worth it to live your authentic life.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you talked about experiencing postpartum in this really open,
Speaker 1: honest way, and at the time you didn't have any references,
Speaker 1: so you are that reference for people like this can
Speaker 1: happen FYI. And you said in the podcast, you know,
Speaker 1: call your doctrines, say I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but I feel crazy because the time you went through it,
Speaker 1: you had no frame of reference, none, and it lasted
Speaker 1: fifteen months.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: And imagine you know, just silently suffering, really and thinking
Speaker 4: that I really was just crazy and you know, didn't
Speaker 4: know how to be a mother, and you know, on
Speaker 4: and on and on and on, failure and horrible, I
Speaker 4: mean really devastating.
Speaker 3: The doctor not diagnosed or well not.
Speaker 4: At the time, because I didn't really share it with him.
Speaker 1: Because he felt so shameful.
Speaker 4: It's all about the shame of it, you know. I
Speaker 4: felt so shameful in front of Harry and my mom,
Speaker 4: and my mom had come and really helped out. And
Speaker 4: you know, Harry thought I was crazy. He thought I
Speaker 4: had literally lost my mind. And so there was so
Speaker 4: much shame around it. It took fifteen months for me
Speaker 4: to finally say, you know what, I have to call
Speaker 4: my doctor because I am there, I am not right.
Speaker 4: And so once I did, and Harry even saw me
Speaker 4: at one point and said, you need to call Howie
Speaker 4: my doctor right away.
Speaker 1: Our doctor, our doctor, right he's seen my lady.
Speaker 6: Different house. Also not Howie Mandel.
Speaker 4: I'm feeling crazy, Howie. I called Howie and Howie was like,
Speaker 4: we were in Canada. We were at our place in Canada,
Speaker 4: and he said, Okay, I'm going to put you on
Speaker 4: an antidepressant. It's going to take three weeks to really
Speaker 4: kick in. I have to fedexit to you. So I
Speaker 4: was just like holding on by a thread until I
Speaker 4: got it in my body. And I will say that
Speaker 4: it reset my clock, my whatever was going on within
Speaker 4: the three weeks. And then I only ended up being
Speaker 4: on it for like four months and then I was
Speaker 4: able to ty trate off of it. It saved my life. Wow,
Speaker 4: saved my life.
Speaker 3: So it was just was it more? Was it every
Speaker 3: day depression? You couldn't get out of bed? Was it swinging?
Speaker 4: Hopelessness?
Speaker 3: Hopelessness?
Speaker 4: It was hopelessness. And I even said on the podcast
Speaker 4: with Harry. I was having these visions, and a lot
Speaker 4: of people that have postpartum can relate to this. I
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily have visions of like killing Harry, but I
Speaker 4: had visions of knives. We had to get all the
Speaker 4: knives out of the house. I had visions of myself
Speaker 4: and I've heard Brookshields speak of this, taking my car,
Speaker 4: driving my car just with me in it and hitting
Speaker 4: a brick wall, like smashing into a brick wall, Like
Speaker 4: why why are we having Why was I having those visiones?
Speaker 4: Crazy hormones They dropped from like how we said three
Speaker 4: thousand to zero. Yeah, like once I stopped breastfeeding because
Speaker 4: I had some trouble.
Speaker 1: Maybe your body experiences out as a death and manifested
Speaker 1: in that other way, because it's what a drop, right.
Speaker 1: It was brutal. It was really brutal.
Speaker 3: But I remember having this.
Speaker 2: I've never been pregnant or I've never had and I've
Speaker 2: never but I during perimenopause, yeah, or the first moment
Speaker 2: you just your hormones drop and change. I had visions,
Speaker 2: did you? Yes? And I was just starting to date
Speaker 2: my husband and this poor guy was like yeah, and
Speaker 2: I what if I not if I run him over.
Speaker 3: But I.
Speaker 2: Just kept going and pretend I didn't know him and
Speaker 2: I never have to see him again.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Something about hormones and women and husbands. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my I didn't have I had a different postpartum,
Speaker 1: which is it manifested. As I was super attached. I
Speaker 1: was afraid to leave my baby. I was afraid to
Speaker 1: leave him, and I would have like I was protecting
Speaker 1: him and me from the world. So I put in
Speaker 1: like a security door and I put in an alarm,
Speaker 1: and at night I would just go over emergency like
Speaker 1: disaster plans, disaster plans, disaster plans. I was thinking like
Speaker 1: there would be a tidal wave, so I kind of
Speaker 1: projected it out against us. But as I'm talking to him, going,
Speaker 1: oh that's very similar, it's slightly different. But I thought
Speaker 1: it was coming from the outside, like I would have
Speaker 1: visions that I literally just think about this of like
Speaker 1: Ninja's coming in, like I have to protect myself from
Speaker 1: the ninjas. Yeah, so it's probably the same thing, just
Speaker 1: protect project differently. It's just do you have that every
Speaker 1: scenario scenario terrifying scenario.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's our fight or flight, Like it
Speaker 4: goes back to you know, caveman age. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but it feels like something that we don't necessarily need
Speaker 4: right now, but maybe they needed it back in the day.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have this incredibly vulnerable, helpless thing, like we're
Speaker 1: the only animal where babies come out and they can't
Speaker 1: do anything. It just it's not like a you know,
Speaker 1: a horse who gets up and runs away. It's like
Speaker 1: they're just this completely vulnerable blob for a solid couple
Speaker 1: of years. I think that is terrifying because it was like,
Speaker 1: how do I get to him there's an earthquake? How
Speaker 1: do I get to him and cover him? And it
Speaker 1: was like I ended up like at a certain point
Speaker 1: sleeping in his crib because I was so like, so
Speaker 1: that's how yours manifested, That's how I manifested. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it can be that's part of it too. I think
Speaker 1: that's confusing for people. It can be so many different things.
Speaker 1: So important to get to the other side of the
Speaker 1: shame and just share whatever it is, say, just to
Speaker 1: share it with friends, your doctor, just say I'm having
Speaker 1: these this is whatever this thought is keeping me up
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah, help me, right, you only have a
Speaker 1: few hours to sleep. You need that sleep, like try.
Speaker 4: And that doesn't help, you know, the lack of sleep.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was out of my mind. I can
Speaker 4: literally say I was out of my mind.
Speaker 3: Did it happen with your second?
Speaker 4: It did, but we got on it right away. I
Speaker 4: mean the minute it started happening. Harry looked at me
Speaker 4: and said, call how we right? This second was in
Speaker 4: like three weeks, four weeks, whatever it was, and I
Speaker 4: got right back on the ante.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, So hopefully you've help some women who will
Speaker 1: then reach out sooner and not have to suffer.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's nobody talks about it enough. You know,
Speaker 4: nobody talks about number one, how to be a mother,
Speaker 4: how to have a baby, And there's no way.
Speaker 6: To do with it, prepare us anyway, like we you know,
Speaker 6: everybody says, Hi, I feel so unprepared, of course, because
Speaker 6: there's absolutely no way to prepare you for the most until.
Speaker 1: You do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: there's more now. I think, like I have a lot
Speaker 1: of issues with social media, but I think a positive
Speaker 1: thing is you have a place to go. Like when
Speaker 1: I had Jack and I was in baby group. We
Speaker 1: had email at least, so four in the morning when
Speaker 1: you were up with your baby, you could send out
Speaker 1: an email and like five women would respond because we
Speaker 1: all had these tiny now like you could. There's a
Speaker 1: whole world of people who are there with their experience
Speaker 1: strengthen help like we didn't have.
Speaker 4: That though we didn't. We just I suffered in silence. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so no more suffering in silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about it, but.
Speaker 2: You feel, but you feel again, We're going to just
Speaker 2: dwell on your wonderful partnership. Did you feel even even
Speaker 2: though must have been really scary for Harry, it was
Speaker 2: that there was a support, you were still a team
Speaker 2: or as much as you tried.
Speaker 4: To break it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your hormones.
Speaker 4: You know, he was such a patient man, really is.
Speaker 4: He has patients of a saint, and I think he
Speaker 4: just was like he just got in there and helped,
Speaker 4: you know, he just helped out.
Speaker 2: That's I just think that's so important that you know,
Speaker 2: we really that women can really try to cultivate and
Speaker 2: see their partner as a team player. Because I think
Speaker 2: our hormones, whether it's postpartum or perimenopause or menopause or
Speaker 2: that time of the month when you're still having your period.
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 2: When men get scared, they don't understand. It's really minimized
Speaker 2: in our culture.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh.
Speaker 2: Crazy, But you know, there needs to be a support
Speaker 2: system there because he needs to have some compassion around
Speaker 2: all that. And I just hope that there's more. There
Speaker 2: seems to be a movement right now, a moment about
Speaker 2: perimenopause and menopause.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy to see that too. I mean, women
Speaker 4: are really talking about I think Halle Berry's really been
Speaker 4: so in the forefront of that, Naomi Watts writing a
Speaker 4: book about it, like finally finally talking about it, and
Speaker 4: women for all of that age, like, let's face it,
Speaker 4: we're all in it. I mean, I'm way out of
Speaker 4: it at this point, but I mean, nobody talks about
Speaker 4: taking hormones. Nobody talks about any of it. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: I'm glad to be starting to talk about it.
Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you do do
Speaker 2: in this time of life in this I'm reading this
Speaker 2: wonderful book.
Speaker 3: It's Cheryl Richardson. It's called Self Care in the Wisdom Years.
Speaker 4: Ooh oh, I'm going to read that term.
Speaker 2: The wisdom years, you know, because that's a new way
Speaker 2: to Yeah, I like it talk about this as opposed
Speaker 2: to like, oh, you know you're older. It's a beautiful
Speaker 2: time in so many ways. So I'm just wondering if
Speaker 2: you have noticed like ways that you take care of
Speaker 2: yourself now that you didn't when you were younger.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think when you get to be
Speaker 4: this age and this wisdom in this era, I think
Speaker 4: back to myself in my twenties, and I was so
Speaker 4: hard on myself. I don't know if you guys were too.
Speaker 1: You probably were.
Speaker 4: We're so hard on ourselves that I'm to a point
Speaker 4: now where I'm talking to other people saying, you know,
Speaker 4: if I were to go back and talk to my
Speaker 4: twenty year old self, I would just say, everything's gonna
Speaker 4: be okay, you know, don't worry so much. Have more fun.
Speaker 4: And I think this is such a great point in
Speaker 4: life because you've been through it, you've survived, you've kind
Speaker 4: of come out the other end of it, really, and
Speaker 4: life is wonderful. You know. We've been very blessed. I
Speaker 4: feel very blessed. I'm very grateful, and I love this time.
Speaker 4: I was a mess in my twenties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's We talk about that all the time because
Speaker 1: of course we're watching rewatching Maro's Place and we're in
Speaker 1: our twenties, and just the intensity it all felt so
Speaker 1: serious now that it's been fun about re meeting all
Speaker 1: our friends now, which is we all are much better
Speaker 1: wearing life like a loose shirt. Like we're just like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't we know, it doesn't matter. Almost almost everything
Speaker 1: I worried about then doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. Oh my god, it doesn't matter. And
Speaker 4: you just you know, I try to talk to my
Speaker 4: girls about that because you know, they're living in this
Speaker 4: age of social media and.
Speaker 6: It matters even more. Oh it feels it must feel
Speaker 6: so much.
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what it actually feels like, but
Speaker 4: I can see how it affects them. And I always say, guys,
Speaker 4: your twenties just it's a blur. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: You're still you know, your frontal lobes are not even developed.
Speaker 4: You're pretty stupid at this point, and it's going to
Speaker 4: get better.
Speaker 1: But I think the twenties are brutal, brutal, real, So
Speaker 1: we haven't even because we've been having so much fun
Speaker 1: talking to you about everything else.
Speaker 4: The gift a gap.
Speaker 3: No, it's great.
Speaker 1: So well you have for gift of getting to what's
Speaker 1: really authentic and true. But now let's get back to shallow.
Speaker 1: I'll take a step back to show I can.
Speaker 4: Quickly go shallow going on in season and five, And
Speaker 4: did you.
Speaker 6: Audition at that time?
Speaker 4: I did not. Okay, see this is interesting. You'll remember.
Speaker 4: But they had cast another actress to play Taylor McBride. Yes,
Speaker 4: an actress, Hunter Tylo and she happened to be pregnant.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, And so if you remember, they felt that
Speaker 4: this character of Taylor McBride would not it would not
Speaker 4: be wouldn't remove them to cast a pregnant woman. Cut
Speaker 4: to of course, the lawsuit that she filed and the
Speaker 4: five million dollar lawsuit I believe, and she went, she did,
Speaker 4: and I'll never forget Heather and I had to go
Speaker 4: testify and we were both pregnant. We were both pregnant
Speaker 4: on that witness stand.
Speaker 2: Okay, what wait, you were testifying testimony.
Speaker 4: We had to go and testify on the side of spelling.
Speaker 4: We know we were subpoenaed, and I'll just never forget that.
Speaker 4: I was just I don't even know if they knew
Speaker 4: I was pregnant, Heather was much more. I mean she
Speaker 4: was like very pregnant and I had just gotten pregnant.
Speaker 6: So was that part of your testimony or was that
Speaker 6: just knowledge that you had that.
Speaker 4: I can't remember. I bet it was. I'm sure they
Speaker 4: knew at the time. I just the irony of it
Speaker 4: was I was pregnant. And you know, whenever you get
Speaker 4: a role that somebody else lost, it never really feels
Speaker 4: one hundred good. Even though this was a big break
Speaker 4: for me to get this role, I got it under
Speaker 4: circumstances that didn't feel clean. And I didn't audition for it.
Speaker 4: I just said, well, I was with Joan Green at
Speaker 4: the time. She's the manager of Heather, and so.
Speaker 2: Joan wasn't two years too, yes, and.
Speaker 4: Josie, so she just worked your magic, do you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And next thing I know, I'm playing
Speaker 4: this role. And but you know, it just never felt
Speaker 4: completely clean because of the circumstance.
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody can imagine it any other way.
Speaker 4: That's true, you got it, you brought a cuckoo.
Speaker 3: But also there was a sense of.
Speaker 2: Comedy and like self awareness in some of your stuff.
Speaker 2: Maybe when Taylor, when your character got more crazy, she
Speaker 2: was so crazy it seemed like we were talking about
Speaker 2: with Laura's character, you know. And when Jack was here,
Speaker 2: you guys had later years there was like this tongue
Speaker 2: in cheeks, yeah, thing about fun about it.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know you all set that tone,
Speaker 4: so to come in season five, you guys were a
Speaker 4: well oiled machine at that point. Well, we were all
Speaker 4: sort of scattering. So did you come into the beginning
Speaker 4: of five?
Speaker 1: So we worked together for a season, but they were
Speaker 1: sort of because they knew I was leaving, So I
Speaker 1: was doing less and less and less. Yea, And they
Speaker 1: were building you guys.
Speaker 4: Up and up and oh that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: And then six and seven. Did it feel different or
Speaker 1: did it feel the same to you because you just
Speaker 1: sort of had this three year run.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it felt the same to me because
Speaker 4: I didn't know any different. I think it would be
Speaker 4: different if I'd come on season one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was your cast, like the new cast
Speaker 1: was your cast?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and there I was there for five and
Speaker 6: then I left after five as well.
Speaker 4: Oh you did, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: It didn't get to work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was I was yeah that season five finale.
Speaker 1: Right, But because they were sort of because I remember
Speaker 1: an episode at the end where I had one scene
Speaker 1: in in an episode because they were trying to make
Speaker 1: the audience forget about us, right, is that what.
Speaker 4: The doing our character?
Speaker 1: They were writing us out bit by bit by bit
Speaker 1: hoping the audience wouldn't notice that. But some of their
Speaker 1: old friends left.
Speaker 2: But I think more during your years, Lisa, there was
Speaker 2: more of that kind of like physical comedy, thinking about
Speaker 2: you like knocking on the door with Jack and then
Speaker 2: he like shuts says go away, and then you run
Speaker 2: around and you're like and like in a slip or something,
Speaker 2: and you're just so good at that physical comedy that it.
Speaker 4: Was really fun. And the time where I took the
Speaker 4: door and I smashed my face with the door.
Speaker 2: What what is that?
Speaker 4: It was so much fun? It did? It got crazier
Speaker 4: and crazier after you guys left.
Speaker 2: How'd you on the podcast talk about did you have
Speaker 2: a stunt double at times where there's.
Speaker 4: A stunted Yeah, Because I remember we went to Oxnard
Speaker 4: and there was like a train accident and I don't
Speaker 4: know who was on the train track. Don't look at us,
Speaker 4: you know, and I remember I was with Jack. Yeah, God,
Speaker 4: I don't even know who else was there, but there
Speaker 4: was crazy, crazy crazy.
Speaker 6: And your your general story arc was like that you
Speaker 6: came in as the sister of Peter, who's Jack Wagner's
Speaker 6: Peter's ex wife, and you were the sister, but then
Speaker 6: you had you had a thing for him, for Peter,
Speaker 6: and you were kind of like the little sister or
Speaker 6: married him, but you were married to Kyle.
Speaker 4: I remember, you know, you have memories of some things,
Speaker 4: and memory not memories of others. I remember one day
Speaker 4: where I had to film make out with Jack and
Speaker 4: Michael in the same day.
Speaker 6: I mean one day, no, yeah, one day, yeah, not
Speaker 6: them specifically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, never had to do that again, but yeah, I
Speaker 4: went for both of.
Speaker 6: Was it double ups or all in one episode?
Speaker 4: You know, that's a good question, because those double ups
Speaker 4: were intense where we would film two episodes at the
Speaker 4: same time. It was probably double ups, and that's I
Speaker 4: think it was. I happened to kiss them both on
Speaker 4: the same day, like literally one hour, Jack, next hour. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so for.
Speaker 6: The audience sake at least it was an episode apart.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so weird.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like on Melrow's Place. Just every day
Speaker 1: they bring in someone for you to make out with.
Speaker 1: That's never happened again. I thought, I wish I enjoyed
Speaker 1: it more. I know, right, say that is no one cared,
Speaker 1: no one lets me kiss anybody anymore.
Speaker 4: Now, it was that that in the soap opera. We
Speaker 4: were always making out a wars.
Speaker 6: Of and you had done Days of Our Lives for
Speaker 6: three years prior to Melos Place. But how many episodes?
Speaker 6: I think six hundred episodes of Days of Our Lives?
Speaker 6: I did, I believe so? And for context for Melrose
Speaker 6: it was sixty episodes probably right, Yeah, so six hundred
Speaker 6: and something.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that, but I mean three years that's.
Speaker 6: How they go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well didn't you go back later though?
Speaker 4: I did a couple of times.
Speaker 1: And how did that? How was it? How did it feel?
Speaker 4: I would go aback? I think I went back ten
Speaker 4: years later and then ten years later, so you hits.
Speaker 4: It was a different casts even ah, pretty much the
Speaker 4: same stay they stay there the whole time. I mean
Speaker 4: they they have been there for forty fifty Wow. Imagine
Speaker 4: that you have a job for that amount of time. Now,
Speaker 4: some of the cast would change, but half of it
Speaker 4: would be the same, so you would go back, i'
Speaker 4: mean playing the same character that would play off of
Speaker 4: you know, Marlena or Hope or bow Wild.
Speaker 6: So with you've done things for a long time that
Speaker 6: are really like momentous shows. What do you feel like
Speaker 6: you're associated with which, Well, I.
Speaker 4: Have days playing Billy Reid and Melrose playing Taylor for
Speaker 4: sure are my two biggest things I think I'm known for.
Speaker 4: And then of course Housewives with all the stuff in between.
Speaker 4: You know, I did the talk show for a while,
Speaker 4: Soap Talk for four years. I was a guest on
Speaker 4: that Were You.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Doug was too.
Speaker 4: Doug was for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we did that for four years, and then I
Speaker 4: did Dancing with the Stars and The Apprentice, and I
Speaker 4: mean I went down the reality rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: So Dancing with the Stars, everybody talks about how hard
Speaker 1: it is, how many hours it's hard? Is it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How many hours a day are you dancing?
Speaker 4: Well, we were season two, Okay, at that point, we
Speaker 4: weren't dancing as much as they ended up dancing eight
Speaker 4: hours a day because we just didn't even know better,
Speaker 4: you know, we were like we did it as long
Speaker 4: as we could, but then it got more and more competitive,
Speaker 4: and they were dancing eight hours a day and it
Speaker 4: was very difficult because it's so physical, and the people
Speaker 4: do the best of the Olympians and the athletes because
Speaker 4: it's crazy physical energy that you.
Speaker 2: I mean, dancing, ballm dancing is supposed to be that
Speaker 2: physical and athletic.
Speaker 1: Is it should be an Olympic sport.
Speaker 6: It's absolutely athletics.
Speaker 3: I know it's athletic. I just never thought and you.
Speaker 4: Would injure yourself. I mean you would like your feet
Speaker 4: would hurt or there was one point we were doing
Speaker 4: some dance where Louis would grab me around my ribs
Speaker 4: and I'm sure I bruised a rib. I was in
Speaker 4: so much pain. I mean, it's very very difficult, but
Speaker 4: also the time of my life. I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're super athletic, so.
Speaker 4: I think I am, you know, and I'm competitive, and
Speaker 4: I love that experience. One of my favorite things to do.
Speaker 1: How far did you make it? Did you win semi final?
Speaker 4: I got number four. I didn't win. But it was
Speaker 4: the year that Drew Lache won. Oh and he a
Speaker 4: boy bander dancer like just you know, some people go
Speaker 4: in there and they just get it. And he was
Speaker 4: a performer and he knew how to do it.
Speaker 1: And did it feel like as it weeks went by,
Speaker 1: like you wanted it more and more and more.
Speaker 4: You get so competitive. But it was also live and
Speaker 4: it was terrifying. It was terrifying because you know, what
Speaker 4: if you black out, what if you mess up slip? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was terrifying. It was one of the probably the
Speaker 4: hardest things I've ever done.
Speaker 6: So when you were in your thirty forty two. I mean,
Speaker 6: the thing that shocks me is when I see women
Speaker 6: who go back like I'm sixty and I'm going to
Speaker 6: be dude dancing with this.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think I could do it. Yeah no,
Speaker 4: I no, it's just to mean some of the women
Speaker 4: that did it in their seventies, I don't know how
Speaker 4: yew that. I really don't.
Speaker 6: Good for them for signing up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you see.
Speaker 1: They're dancing partners, dancing around.
Speaker 4: Yes, but no, actually I've done that. And then out
Speaker 4: of that what great? What was great about that is
Speaker 4: I was able. I'd always wanted to do Broadway, and
Speaker 4: so I was able to audition for Chicago and I
Speaker 4: literally called them myself and said, I am ready to
Speaker 4: come audition for you, thinking, you know, I can dance now,
Speaker 4: so I can do it. So I just believed I
Speaker 4: could do it. Wow, And I did it. I got it.
Speaker 4: But they didn't come to me and say, oh, we
Speaker 4: really want you. I went to them and said, please
Speaker 4: let me fly myself to New York. I want to
Speaker 4: come audition. And I did. That's amazing for you. That's
Speaker 4: what came out of dancing with me.
Speaker 1: So did you already know how to sing?
Speaker 4: I had been singing my whole life. I was like choirs,
Speaker 4: and I mean I wasn't a singer, but I'd studied
Speaker 4: singing enough to where I could carry.
Speaker 1: It to Wow. So what was that?
Speaker 4: Like? What was believable? Eight shows a week? You could
Speaker 4: only eat, sleep, and do the show. And I had
Speaker 4: the kids with me. I think they were like five
Speaker 4: and eight at the time. Not their favorite experience. They
Speaker 4: don't love. They didn't love coming to New York and
Speaker 4: had you know, we were working constantly and you had
Speaker 4: to like really focus and it was not their favorite time.
Speaker 1: Well, plus mommy leaves it what three in the afternoon.
Speaker 4: No six, but then you don't see her because she
Speaker 4: sleeps in till ten. You're off that schedule. That was
Speaker 4: very challenging, right.
Speaker 6: Did you do the show three months?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Three months?
Speaker 4: And I did it with Harry? So Harry ended up
Speaker 4: playing Billy Flynn? No way, Yes, and get this, so
Speaker 4: I have to fly myself to New York and audition
Speaker 4: and go through the whole process. So after I finally
Speaker 4: get it, they said what about Harry? And I said
Speaker 4: what about Harry? And they said, what do you think
Speaker 4: about Harry playing Billy Flynn? And I was like, that's
Speaker 4: a great idea.
Speaker 1: Maybe he could audition.
Speaker 4: Hi, Harry, do you want to play Billy Flynn? You
Speaker 4: don't have to audition or anything. You can just show
Speaker 4: up apart.
Speaker 6: Yes please?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he didn't have to audition anything. He just got
Speaker 4: the part. And I was like, he's been that lucky
Speaker 4: his entire career. You know, it's just the way that
Speaker 4: it has such as.
Speaker 2: I feel like clearing the way and giving make opportunity
Speaker 2: including a tomato sauce.
Speaker 4: I might add, truly, yes, listen, I'd hustle for everybody.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: You're just like I hustle for those kids. I mean,
Speaker 4: you name it.
Speaker 3: But it's a natural thing about it.
Speaker 4: It isn't natural.
Speaker 3: It feels like you. It feels like natural to you.
Speaker 4: I don't know where it comes from because both of
Speaker 4: my parents, you know, I was an only child, a
Speaker 4: group an only child, and both of my parents were
Speaker 4: not super you know, hustle like, they just weren't. My
Speaker 4: dad was an artist, my mom stay at home mom.
Speaker 4: Where did the drive come from?
Speaker 2: Where did the money come from? You had an artist
Speaker 2: father and a stay at home mom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he had a he had a job at
Speaker 4: Harry and David. Oh, so he at least had like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: you know salary that came in. Yes, but you know,
Speaker 4: just very middle class. I just don't know where the
Speaker 4: drive came from. I think it came from wanting to
Speaker 4: get out of Medford and you know, ye live a life,
Speaker 4: a different life.
Speaker 1: But you also seem to have this why not, which
Speaker 1: I super like. I think that's such a great trait
Speaker 1: to go through life with. I had a therapist say once,
Speaker 1: the most damaging feeling you can have his fear of
Speaker 1: disappointing people, because it's so limiting, and I feel like
Speaker 1: your attitude is I'll try it. If it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, which is such a great attitude.
Speaker 4: I've never heard anybody state it like that, but I
Speaker 4: think you're absolutely right. I do say why not. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm a game, Harry.
Speaker 1: I've heard you say those exact words so many times.
Speaker 4: I have, and Harry always says, you're game, You're just game,
Speaker 4: and I am. I like new, challenging experiences. I think
Speaker 4: it keeps you alive.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say too. Like talking about we're saying
Speaker 1: how do you have a long term marriage? Like you
Speaker 1: know you said Harry is incredibly patient.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 1: He's patient and calm, And I'm sure that energy like
Speaker 1: if you guys aren't opposites because you're really grounded and
Speaker 1: spiritual and thoughtful and loving, generous people, You're the same
Speaker 1: in the important ways. That's true. But that energy of
Speaker 1: why not, I'm sure he's like great, Like it gets
Speaker 1: him out and moving. He'd probably be home reading a
Speaker 1: book all the time. If not for you, you take
Speaker 1: him out in the world.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe, I don't know. I think we do
Speaker 4: the same for each other. You know, his interests are
Speaker 4: so different from mine that you know he pulls me
Speaker 4: into his, I pull him into mine, or he watches
Speaker 4: from Afar and is like, wow, crazy. You look at
Speaker 4: what she's doing. And I watch from Afar and go
Speaker 4: how cool. He's like helping the world. He's doing amazing
Speaker 4: things and it's kind of a brain act. And you know,
Speaker 4: he has a he has a fusion energy company. He's
Speaker 4: really really smart. He's a great actor. He's just interested
Speaker 4: in things that I'm curious about. Like I didn't have
Speaker 4: the best education. He did. He graduated from Yale. So
Speaker 4: I've learned more from Harry than I ever did from school.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I love is the respect, that mutuality and that like
Speaker 2: you let him go do his world and he lets
Speaker 2: you do yours.
Speaker 3: I don't think you get.
Speaker 2: More polar opposite than a fusion company and you like dan.
Speaker 4: And crazy outfits.
Speaker 2: I know, right, it's beautiful, isn't it that there that
Speaker 2: a marriage can hold all of that?
Speaker 4: And it can, you know, it's so can. I mean,
Speaker 4: our marriage has held a lot, you know, And I
Speaker 4: think it's really why we're still together.
Speaker 1: Well, because you enjoy it about each other. I think
Speaker 1: that sometimes people are opposite, they resent each other being different. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you guys, what you just said when I heard
Speaker 1: you appreciate the differences like they're positives. And that's such
Speaker 1: a great attitude I do.
Speaker 4: And you know, again, we have to work at it.
Speaker 4: You know, you have to work at it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: There are times when you know, we've gone to therapy
Speaker 4: and whatever we need to do because we're not connecting
Speaker 4: or you know, we're just living separately. We need to
Speaker 4: come together. I mean we're very cognizant. I think of
Speaker 4: the work that needs to be done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do get back to enjoying each other,
Speaker 1: but you do most of the time.
Speaker 2: I think that's all we can really ask for. That
Speaker 2: is the most valuable thing. I think it's is that
Speaker 2: caught when you can be caught, when you can go,
Speaker 2: oh there's a separation, Oh yeah I need more.
Speaker 3: Oh I need to connect and you have someone there
Speaker 3: to meet you. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 3: just being aware of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, we all get off on our thing and yeah,
Speaker 2: things seem so important and you're in your little tunnel
Speaker 2: vision and then it's like I need that connection.
Speaker 4: I need that Yes, And I think that's what we
Speaker 4: do for each other.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 4: Sure, And when we notice that we're not we're like,
Speaker 4: I need this, and we're able to say to the
Speaker 4: other person, listen, I need this. I want to be
Speaker 4: more of a team.
Speaker 2: You heard you on your last podcast saying you all
Speaker 2: are going to take a trip.
Speaker 3: You need to take a trip. So when's that happening?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, maybe that was Maybe you did that months ago.
Speaker 2: I don't know when you recorded, but.
Speaker 4: You did take a little trip for anniversary. Oh we
Speaker 4: did go to two Bunch of Poms, which we've been
Speaker 4: going to for Like nice, I.
Speaker 1: Hear it's quite different now, quite different. What do we
Speaker 1: think of it?
Speaker 4: Like, well, you know, I don't love change, but I change.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Courtney Thorn.
Speaker 6: So Courtney.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's changed a lot. There's some basic still there,
Speaker 4: like the hot pool that you sit in, the natural
Speaker 4: hot pool, yes, the lithium pool, which I love, But
Speaker 4: everything else has changed. I prefer it the way.
Speaker 2: It used to be because it's so funky.
Speaker 6: Maybe Turtle, is it more bogie? Is it like it's not?
Speaker 4: Yes, it's more it's more bougie. But it was very
Speaker 4: it was very rustic. It's still rustic, but it's more
Speaker 4: like kind of milk toast. As much as I love it,
Speaker 4: it's not like super fancy. It's kind of in the
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 1: You still go down to that dark basement for your massages.
Speaker 6: No oh no, So to many people this sounds like
Speaker 6: a good thing.
Speaker 4: Is like that, they don't have gulous place. You loved
Speaker 4: the little simple things and we'd sit in that like sauna. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's like they put it over your body. It's like
Speaker 4: a plastic thing and your head stuck out and they
Speaker 4: like put tea inside of it and it would steam you.
Speaker 4: Like weird things like that. Speak the mud baths that
Speaker 4: are gone. Imagine during co there in other people's like
Speaker 4: other people's mud mud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just getting your name what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine what they're thinking of culture mud bat?
Speaker 1: And if they do, they're probably put.
Speaker 3: A hotel in the desert.
Speaker 4: It was very weird. I did it one time and
Speaker 4: I think that was it. You're just like, you know
Speaker 4: something right about this.
Speaker 1: My girlfriend did it. She's like I've been getting mud
Speaker 1: out of my ass for four hours.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you would try to like put hot water
Speaker 4: in it to clean it. What it's mud?
Speaker 3: Still mud?
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: All right, let's speaking.
Speaker 6: We were speaking a bit ago about new things that
Speaker 6: you're so open to doing new things and trying new things.
Speaker 6: And one of the new things you're doing, you I
Speaker 6: heard you are you've optioned a book and you're you
Speaker 6: have a production cut in you're, Yes, amazing.
Speaker 4: Yes, we've optioned this book called a Shoe Story. And
Speaker 4: you know, my publicist brought it to me. Actually, he
Speaker 4: had taken a couple of years off during COVID and
Speaker 4: worked for an actor's production company, so he came out
Speaker 4: of publicity and his job was to option books. So
Speaker 4: he came to me with this. He goes, I love
Speaker 4: this book. I think it'd be so fun for you.
Speaker 4: Why don't we do it? And I was like, okay again,
Speaker 4: why not?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Yes, Shoes is a really darling story.
Speaker 4: I really connected to it, and I thought, let's see
Speaker 4: where it goes. Like I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: You know, we have to write it, we have to
Speaker 4: do everything and sell it. But I think it's an
Speaker 4: interesting new thing and I love for you.
Speaker 2: I think it's a natural for you, Lisa, and I
Speaker 2: just encourage you and support you to go.
Speaker 3: Into that development.
Speaker 2: We've been dabbling in that for a few years, have
Speaker 2: you It never ends but it's a long process.
Speaker 3: But you're made for that, you're made for producing, and
Speaker 3: well we're seeing I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hang in there.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's true. You have all the elements.
Speaker 1: You'd be great at it. But here's what I think. So,
Speaker 1: if it's your movie and you're the star and you're
Speaker 1: the producer, i'd like you to make Harry audition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will be the star star. I would
Speaker 4: take a different role. The star is much younger. We
Speaker 4: have to go with a young a young one for that.
Speaker 4: But I do think Harry will audition.
Speaker 6: It's time he worked for his you know his good.
Speaker 4: He's just handed it all.
Speaker 2: I'll just throw my head. And if you need a director,
Speaker 2: I have directed a lifetime movie and I shadowed a
Speaker 2: show for as and I love it.
Speaker 4: Do you love directing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love it.
Speaker 2: It's a ton of work, but it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: like you can show up looking like whatever, and then
Speaker 2: it's more about your head and your creativity and your
Speaker 2: logic and decision making that you have to show up
Speaker 2: with every day, not like just how you look and
Speaker 2: go learn your lines.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want that pressure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you should have someone it's a lot, especially
Speaker 2: if you're doing everything. But at any rate, I just
Speaker 2: feel like you should definitely go give that a shot, good.
Speaker 3: To see where it goes. Do you have any.
Speaker 2: Crazy everyone wants to know, any behind the scenes stories any?
Speaker 4: I have one, okay, one that always pops up. So
Speaker 4: while I was working with Heather, we were Nemesis Nemesis. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so you're a nemeside and I'll never forget. I don't
Speaker 4: know why. And you know, we we had a great
Speaker 4: time working together. She was so I learned so much
Speaker 4: from Heather because she really set the tone, Yes, really
Speaker 4: set the tone, and I'd never done a nighttime series
Speaker 4: like that. She was just so lovely and so personable
Speaker 4: and so giving and always prepared, and she just ran
Speaker 4: that set really beautifully. She didn't she I really learned
Speaker 4: from her. It was a great, great deal, funny and
Speaker 4: funny and humble, all of it. Like, she was amazing.
Speaker 4: So at one point I'll never forget, the tabloids came
Speaker 4: out with this story that I was so jealous of
Speaker 4: Heather and so like freaked out by her that one
Speaker 4: day she was getting out of her car and she
Speaker 4: somehow maneuvered to the back of the car and her
Speaker 4: door was open, and I took my car and I
Speaker 4: rammed her door off of her car, and I was
Speaker 4: like what and they printed it. I was like, where
Speaker 4: do they come up like that story? So that's the
Speaker 4: one there.
Speaker 1: So that wasn't true.
Speaker 4: It was not true. It was not true. And then
Speaker 4: another time, I'll never forget when she was pregnant and
Speaker 4: you know it was physical by this point. You know,
Speaker 4: she's always hitting me. I'm like slapping. I saw that
Speaker 4: so funny so many times. I'll never forget this. They
Speaker 4: cut a hole in the floor because she had to
Speaker 4: do some scene where she needed to be hit and
Speaker 4: lie down, and I believe they were hiding her pregnancy
Speaker 4: on the show, so she had to lie on the floor.
Speaker 6: With her big belly in the cutout.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what do we do for a living.
Speaker 4: Problem solver? I'll never forget that. And we just laughed
Speaker 4: about it, like you just did what you were told.
Speaker 1: To do on that show. You really lucked out because
Speaker 1: you got to work with Heather and Jack, right, they
Speaker 1: were both so incredibly funny and funny.
Speaker 4: I mean Jack at first, Okay, first Jack, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about you really yes, because I'll
Speaker 4: never forget. It was probably double ups, doing two different
Speaker 4: shows for two different you know, whatevers. And he was
Speaker 4: directing me.
Speaker 2: Oh, and he wasn't directing the episode, and no, he's
Speaker 2: directing me, yeah.
Speaker 4: With him, And okay, did you have that too?
Speaker 6: No, I just I could see that that's what you were.
Speaker 4: Okay, So he's directing me in my scenes, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not used to that, and I'm like, i don't
Speaker 4: like this. I'm not sure about this. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: So I'll never forget. We were in the trailer one day.
Speaker 4: I remember, I was always himself in the mirror, and
Speaker 4: he used to give him such.
Speaker 2: A hard turn.
Speaker 4: He was so narcissistic.
Speaker 3: I mean, we all are.
Speaker 4: He was just on a level that, you know, was boldly, boldly.
Speaker 2: It's palpable.
Speaker 3: I need to him he.
Speaker 4: Was doing that too. But I'll never forget. We were
Speaker 4: in the trailer, the makeup trailer, and he had said
Speaker 4: something to me that just really rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 4: And I just turned around and I just barked at him.
Speaker 4: I said, don't you ever I don't ever want to
Speaker 4: see you direct me again. Don't you ever tell me
Speaker 4: what to do, and from that day on he loved
Speaker 4: me so much because I literally stood up to him.
Speaker 4: He was just testing me, you know, he was just
Speaker 4: poking me and testing my my will and how far
Speaker 4: he could go with me. And the minute I snacked
Speaker 4: him down, he was so cool and so lovely.
Speaker 1: Oh So it's hard for people out there who aren't actors,
Speaker 1: which is most of you. Probably it's the what we
Speaker 1: don't direct each other as actors. We together and the
Speaker 1: director tells us what to do, because you don't want
Speaker 1: to think that. You want to think your co star
Speaker 1: is in the scene with you, not watching you from
Speaker 1: outside judging what you're doing. It makes you feel very
Speaker 1: unsafe as an actor.
Speaker 4: So I felt very unsife because he was outside judging
Speaker 4: what I was doing and then telling me what you do.
Speaker 2: Nobody should be doing that, no thing, and I never
Speaker 2: had not a good thing.
Speaker 4: Have your director tell you that. So when I basically
Speaker 4: stood up for myself and made a boundary, he so
Speaker 4: appreciated it and he was my best friend from then on.
Speaker 1: As he likes to be teased, he likes it when
Speaker 1: you call him. Then I think he can relax when
Speaker 1: he knows he can play, trust you to take care
Speaker 1: of yourself, then he can relax and be fully and.
Speaker 4: Then we had great scenes great after that.
Speaker 1: Because you got to really play and you got to
Speaker 1: feel confident. Yes, it was a really interesting dynamic. Oh
Speaker 1: that's interesting, that's.
Speaker 2: The chemistry changed. Yes, for the camera, for the audience.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: And then how did your character end? Did you often
Speaker 1: the sunset? Did you die?
Speaker 4: Do you remember you stay pregnant?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Because I was pregnant, and again, pregnant women on Melrose
Speaker 4: was not.
Speaker 1: There's allowed to be pregnant as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was like, okay, time to go, and
Speaker 4: I just I remember driving off into the sunset.
Speaker 1: Was your character pregnant?
Speaker 4: Yes? Oh oh yeah, they wrote that.
Speaker 6: Do you remember whose baby it was?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Well, the whole storyline was it was it Jack's or
Speaker 2: or Kyle's or Kyle's, Kyle or Michael.
Speaker 4: Don't know.
Speaker 2: You kept telling all of it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that one day when you made out with everybody,
Speaker 1: So maybe we don't know, we don't. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Someone would tell there you know.
Speaker 2: It could be three guys and Lisa's baby.
Speaker 3: I mean it really could.
Speaker 6: I feel like it was Michael's like as a twist,
Speaker 6: I feel like.
Speaker 4: It was too. But Michael, after thirty years, I can't remember.
Speaker 4: I need to go back and look it up. But
Speaker 4: I do believe I left pregnant. I don't think they
Speaker 4: hid it. I don't think we hit it.
Speaker 2: You think you left showing pregnant showing okay, I think so.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: You were in such skimpy, like you're always in a
Speaker 2: teeny little dress tight.
Speaker 3: I never saw anything, So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know I have to, I have to go back
Speaker 4: and look. I don't know.
Speaker 6: So then, when was the last time you actually watched
Speaker 6: an episode of Melos?
Speaker 4: It was my help show.
Speaker 1: It's been thirty years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I expected to remember these crazy turns.
Speaker 4: Of men, and there were so many crazy things that
Speaker 4: Taylor did that I can't remember. I just did it,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it changes week to week. It's not like
Speaker 6: a long jen out storyline. You're going to go through
Speaker 6: lots of storylines in just a few weeks, and.
Speaker 4: It's very hard to remember, especially when you're doing two episodes.
Speaker 2: Because Aaron wanted syndication, and the more we would shoot
Speaker 2: every year, the more money they'd get we all get.
Speaker 2: As Chip pointed out to us when we had Chip, right, Chip,
Speaker 2: and Chip was like, well we all got more of
Speaker 2: that week, right.
Speaker 4: We don't we get like thirty three episodes or something.
Speaker 4: It was a huge number. That is benheard of.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 4: I'd like that about now. I mean now that you
Speaker 4: how we really were lucky, really were lucky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so what did you do when you drove off
Speaker 6: into the sunset? Then you went and had you were pregnant,
Speaker 6: so you were having had Delilah your first yes at
Speaker 6: that point.
Speaker 4: And then then I had postpardon for fifteen months, for
Speaker 4: fifteen months, and then I went back to work. I
Speaker 4: got I think I got a Lifetime movie. I think
Speaker 4: that's the first thing I did. I think it was
Speaker 4: Another Woman's Husband with Gaelo Grady. I went back and
Speaker 4: did that.
Speaker 1: That was a great one. I remember that.
Speaker 4: I believe it was that it was like a swimming one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was not a swim or something.
Speaker 1: That's when Lifetime movie, I mean life they're still good,
Speaker 1: but remember they were like events. They were event they'd have.
Speaker 1: There would be billboards on sunset for Lifetime movie. Remember,
Speaker 1: everybody would watch them.
Speaker 6: And the title was another a Woman's Husband, Another Woman's Husband.
Speaker 6: Because I did one titled The Other Woman. Oh I'm sure,
Speaker 6: I mean was it the same story?
Speaker 1: Similar?
Speaker 4: Probably similar?
Speaker 3: We're all similar title, guys, it's like the same.
Speaker 6: Yeah, A fair writers for lifetime, all these things so crazy.
Speaker 4: And then I did one with Harry about a sex addict.
Speaker 1: I remember that sex Lies and Obsession.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And I was five months pregnant with Amelia
Speaker 4: while I shot that. When we shot that in Toronto
Speaker 4: in the winter.
Speaker 1: And that was before anybody who was talking about sex addiction.
Speaker 1: I remember when what a big risk.
Speaker 4: That was the deal, you know one I talked about
Speaker 4: it and of course it was a true story. And
Speaker 4: Harry played the sex addict beautiful, very.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: He played the one of the first gay characters in love.
Speaker 4: So he has that as DNA. He likes to break
Speaker 4: the glass ceiling when it comes to that, he'll take
Speaker 4: a risk.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did it feel scary at the time.
Speaker 4: It It was weird because we'd never really heard about it,
Speaker 4: you know, sex addiction was not something that anybody really
Speaker 4: talked about, so it was really and it was so
Speaker 4: interesting that I was actually pregnant while we were shooting it.
Speaker 4: It was again always a weird, yeah, setup.
Speaker 2: So documentary, but also you're so vulnerable and you're pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was hard to film.
Speaker 4: It was hard, and we hid the pregnancy.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had big coats and again, I think
Speaker 4: it's really when I see pregnant women working now, it's
Speaker 4: just like you are so vulnerable in that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So do you remember we crossed paths when I was pregnant.
Speaker 6: We were both doing I think it was a benefit
Speaker 6: theater thing. Penny Marshall was directing the vagina monologue.
Speaker 4: Yes, I actually do.
Speaker 6: Remember, and we were both doing that and.
Speaker 1: Did you guys do it together?
Speaker 6: I was we were all like assigned different monologues, we
Speaker 6: were doing different pieces.
Speaker 4: Yes, I vaguely remember sitting there on stools reading it.
Speaker 6: And I was pregnant in rehearsals in the theater and Penny,
Speaker 6: God bless her, she was smoking like a chimney.
Speaker 3: And I was not.
Speaker 6: I actually didn't stay and finish it because I was.
Speaker 4: That's why I don't remember.
Speaker 6: In the middle. It was a tough pregnancy and it
Speaker 6: was just smook and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I didn't say, but that was a trip that she
Speaker 4: Penny Marshall, Yeah, she was a trip. Yeah, it's crazy
Speaker 4: and here we are. We're still here, and yes, isn't.
Speaker 1: That so sweet? I know, it's really such a joy
Speaker 1: to see you. I was so excited in the lot
Speaker 1: and it's been so much fun to talk to you.
Speaker 4: You're a delightly Si Well, gosh, so are you and
Speaker 4: Smith and all of you. You guys are so I
Speaker 4: like you back then too. You know, it's not like
Speaker 4: it's not like, oh, I don't really want to go
Speaker 4: do this because I didn't really get along with them.
Speaker 4: Those were so great.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a great time out here so much.
Speaker 2: When you want a guest on your podcast, you can
Speaker 2: get all three of the but I will.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, sooner or later, we've got to have
Speaker 4: some guests. I think everyone's going to get tired of us.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I did La Law with Harry.
Speaker 4: Well MILLI did. He said to talk about that. He
Speaker 4: brought that up today, he said, yeah, she played.
Speaker 1: He and I have a lot of stories for off camera,
Speaker 1: away from the.
Speaker 2: Where is the fun in that? Yes, this isn't a camera,
Speaker 2: it's the podcast, that's right.
Speaker 4: You will come on and now this idea.
Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot before and.
Speaker 4: Then we'll go and you can figure out what you
Speaker 4: want to say, yes, yes, yes yes, Well thanks girls,
Speaker 4: thank you, likewise all of you. Thank you, you too,
Speaker 4: Kay