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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we are super excited today. Welcome to Still the

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Speaker 1: Place with a very special guest star, Lisa Rana. My god,

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Speaker 1: I said guest star. I should have said guest, but

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Speaker 1: I got all excited and I got all flustered. It

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Speaker 1: is so good to see we chatted way too. I'm

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Speaker 1: always saying save it for the save it for the show,

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Speaker 1: save it for the show. But I saw you in

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Speaker 1: the lobby, and then we've already chatted so much.

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Speaker 3: So fun.

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Speaker 4: We go way back. I mean we go not only

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Speaker 4: on the show, but in our personal lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we were neighbors in the fancy Malibu colony.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 1: I listened to Lisa and Harry's podcast, which is adorable,

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Speaker 1: And the reason I had to cost you in the

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Speaker 1: lobby is because so we were neighbors when you were

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Speaker 1: pregnant with and had given birth to Delilah. Yes, it

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Speaker 1: was a very special time. Yes, And when I was

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Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, I had this sense memory of

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Speaker 1: being with you and Harry in that time and remembering

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Speaker 1: how sweet you guys are together. And how loving you

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Speaker 1: are to each other, how what good friends you are

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Speaker 1: and romantic and the podcast really shows that. Just to

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Speaker 1: sit there and get to hang out with such a loving, connected,

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Speaker 1: supportive couple, it brought me right back.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: It was sweet to go back to that time.

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Speaker 4: I love that that makes me feel good.

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Speaker 1: No, it's true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even when you.

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Speaker 2: Guys are talking about how opposite you are, yeah, like

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Speaker 2: you did recently, you always talk about how the differences are. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And the one I heard recently was, well, how does

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Speaker 2: that work?

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Speaker 3: What are the things that are similar? You know about

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Speaker 3: each other?

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Speaker 2: But I think it's just when you meet someone, it

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Speaker 2: just feels like you've met a soulmate.

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Speaker 4: I think it is. I mean people ask us all

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Speaker 4: the time, you know, as you know, when you've been

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Speaker 4: married for twenty seven twenty eight years, They're like, what's

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Speaker 4: the secret, And you know, I've thought about it a lot.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's a secret. I think it's luck.

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Speaker 4: I really do. I just think it's luck. I think

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Speaker 4: we came together, it works for whatever reason, and we're

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Speaker 1: Like, well, you guys enjoy each other, Like that's what

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Speaker 1: comes through in the podcast, like and you were talking

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Speaker 1: and you said you haven't had any guests yet because

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Speaker 1: you guys like chatting with you.

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Speaker 4: It's true, we have not had one yest so.

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Speaker 5: Much fun like hello, I know, I keep saying we're

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Speaker 5: gonna have a guest on and then we go and

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Speaker 5: I learn more about him than I mean, you think

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Speaker 5: at this point, thirty two years together, you'd know everything

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Speaker 4: I don't, And all of a sudden, it's just I

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Speaker 4: stay so curious, and I think that's what makes it

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Speaker 4: interesting because stories come out of him. I mean, he

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Speaker 4: many different lives, so I find it so interesting when

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Speaker 4: we start to talk about different topics. It's just really

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Speaker 6: So what have you recently learned about him that surprised you.

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Speaker 4: I did not know that he got a prescription subscription

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Speaker 4: to Playboy at eleven?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his poor a prescription for Playboy.

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Speaker 4: He was prescribed Playboy by the parents at age eleven,

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Speaker 4: to Playboy. Yes, well, the brother who's two years older

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Speaker 4: did not get that. And I said, what they thought

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Speaker 1: He was like, wow, I got a Playboy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So because Harry Hamlin got a subscription to Playboy

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Speaker 4: No, because I didn't really know about it, which is

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting that I ended up doing it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for those of you who don't remember, Lisa for Playboy,

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Speaker 1: pregnant insanely gorgeous and really we're an icon for people saying,

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Speaker 4: And I did that while I was on Melrose. Yes,

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Speaker 4: So I had the makeup girl one of the makeup artists,

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Speaker 4: I can't remember her name. Come to my trailer. I

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Speaker 4: remember we had the paneling, Yeah, round paneling, a trailers,

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Speaker 4: came in and I said. It was right before Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 4: I guess he thought they were good enough for me

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Speaker 1: That's the funny. Only in Hollywood did you say to

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Speaker 4: They're like sure, yeah, during lunch hour, you know I

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Speaker 3: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 4: Sure, that feels right. Yeah, it felt really right. She

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Speaker 2: What I think Calvin Klein stole that for his member,

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Speaker 2: Calvin Klein's campaign for for Calvin Klein when the jeans

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Speaker 2: and they were against all of this wood paneling and

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Speaker 2: they're like nothing naked jeans, and I'm like, that's right,

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Speaker 2: yours got they leaked them the original.

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Speaker 4: There's still somewhere in that house you set the bar.

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Speaker 3: Lease.

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Speaker 1: Oh you do you still still have them somewhere.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So did you get a lot of positive feedback from

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Speaker 4: I had no idea. Yeah, it didn't matter.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the all ends of the spectrum, you'd hear.

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Speaker 2: You can just do you learn as you went, you know,

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't like you do something and the world

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Speaker 2: You know, when we knew you, I had never worked

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Speaker 4: Imagine, oh my god, all your own parties, hair and

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Speaker 2: For me, because you're in a world that they want

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Speaker 4: And then well that's the thing. Their take on it

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Speaker 6: So this is giving me such insight. Some point was offered.

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Speaker 6: Of course you were, I'm sure, and I wasn't interested

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Speaker 6: because I was always like, yeah, no, I'm you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm not glamorous and I'm not a Beverly Hills housewife.

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Speaker 6: I don't self identify like I feel like I would

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Speaker 6: Don't think people know. And you look so fabulous all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about it, but.

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Speaker 2: or as much as you tried.

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00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 4: To break it up.

441
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, your hormones.

442
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 4: You know, he was such a patient man, really is.

443
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 4: He has patients of a saint, and I think he

444
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: just was like he just got in there and helped,

445
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 4: you know, he just helped out.

446
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: That's I just think that's so important that you know,

447
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: we really that women can really try to cultivate and

448
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: see their partner as a team player. Because I think

449
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: our hormones, whether it's postpartum or perimenopause or menopause or

450
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: that time of the month when you're still having your period.

451
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: I feel like.

452
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: When men get scared, they don't understand. It's really minimized

453
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 2: in our culture.

454
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: It's like, oh.

455
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: Crazy, But you know, there needs to be a support

456
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: system there because he needs to have some compassion around

457
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: all that. And I just hope that there's more. There

458
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: seems to be a movement right now, a moment about

459
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: perimenopause and menopause.

460
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Speaker 3: I know.

461
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm so happy to see that too. I mean, women

462
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 4: are really talking about I think Halle Berry's really been

463
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 4: so in the forefront of that, Naomi Watts writing a

464
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 4: book about it, like finally finally talking about it, and

465
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 4: women for all of that age, like, let's face it,

466
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 4: we're all in it. I mean, I'm way out of

467
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 4: it at this point, but I mean, nobody talks about

468
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: taking hormones. Nobody talks about any of it. Yeah, so

469
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 4: I'm glad to be starting to talk about it.

470
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you do do

471
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: in this time of life in this I'm reading this

472
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: wonderful book.

473
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: It's Cheryl Richardson. It's called Self Care in the Wisdom Years.

474
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 4: Ooh oh, I'm going to read that term.

475
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: The wisdom years, you know, because that's a new way

476
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: to Yeah, I like it talk about this as opposed

477
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: to like, oh, you know you're older. It's a beautiful

478
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: time in so many ways. So I'm just wondering if

479
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: you have noticed like ways that you take care of

480
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: yourself now that you didn't when you were younger.

481
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think when you get to be

482
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 4: this age and this wisdom in this era, I think

483
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: back to myself in my twenties, and I was so

484
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 4: hard on myself. I don't know if you guys were too.

485
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: You probably were.

486
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 4: We're so hard on ourselves that I'm to a point

487
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 4: now where I'm talking to other people saying, you know,

488
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 4: if I were to go back and talk to my

489
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 4: twenty year old self, I would just say, everything's gonna

490
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 4: be okay, you know, don't worry so much. Have more fun.

491
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 4: And I think this is such a great point in

492
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 4: life because you've been through it, you've survived, you've kind

493
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: of come out the other end of it, really, and

494
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: life is wonderful. You know. We've been very blessed. I

495
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: feel very blessed. I'm very grateful, and I love this time.

496
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 4: I was a mess in my twenties.

497
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's We talk about that all the time because

498
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: of course we're watching rewatching Maro's Place and we're in

499
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: our twenties, and just the intensity it all felt so

500
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: serious now that it's been fun about re meeting all

501
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: our friends now, which is we all are much better

502
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: wearing life like a loose shirt. Like we're just like,

503
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't we know, it doesn't matter. Almost almost everything

504
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: I worried about then doesn't matter.

505
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. Oh my god, it doesn't matter. And

506
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 4: you just you know, I try to talk to my

507
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 4: girls about that because you know, they're living in this

508
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 4: age of social media and.

509
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 6: It matters even more. Oh it feels it must feel

510
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 6: so much.

511
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine what it actually feels like, but

512
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: I can see how it affects them. And I always say, guys,

513
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 4: your twenties just it's a blur. Don't worry about it.

514
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: You're still you know, your frontal lobes are not even developed.

515
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: You're pretty stupid at this point, and it's going to

516
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: get better.

517
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: But I think the twenties are brutal, brutal, real, So

518
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: we haven't even because we've been having so much fun

519
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: talking to you about everything else.

520
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 4: The gift a gap.

521
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: No, it's great.

522
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: So well you have for gift of getting to what's

523
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: really authentic and true. But now let's get back to shallow.

524
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: I'll take a step back to show I can.

525
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: Quickly go shallow going on in season and five, And

526
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 4: did you.

527
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 6: Audition at that time?

528
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 4: I did not. Okay, see this is interesting. You'll remember.

529
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 4: But they had cast another actress to play Taylor McBride. Yes,

530
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: an actress, Hunter Tylo and she happened to be pregnant.

531
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: Oh yes, And so if you remember, they felt that

532
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 4: this character of Taylor McBride would not it would not

533
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: be wouldn't remove them to cast a pregnant woman. Cut

534
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: to of course, the lawsuit that she filed and the

535
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: five million dollar lawsuit I believe, and she went, she did,

536
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 4: and I'll never forget Heather and I had to go

537
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 4: testify and we were both pregnant. We were both pregnant

538
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 4: on that witness stand.

539
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: Okay, what wait, you were testifying testimony.

540
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 4: We had to go and testify on the side of spelling.

541
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 4: We know we were subpoenaed, and I'll just never forget that.

542
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: I was just I don't even know if they knew

543
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 4: I was pregnant, Heather was much more. I mean she

544
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: was like very pregnant and I had just gotten pregnant.

545
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 6: So was that part of your testimony or was that

546
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 6: just knowledge that you had that.

547
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: I can't remember. I bet it was. I'm sure they

548
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 4: knew at the time. I just the irony of it

549
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 4: was I was pregnant. And you know, whenever you get

550
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: a role that somebody else lost, it never really feels

551
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: one hundred good. Even though this was a big break

552
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: for me to get this role, I got it under

553
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: circumstances that didn't feel clean. And I didn't audition for it.

554
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: I just said, well, I was with Joan Green at

555
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 4: the time. She's the manager of Heather, and so.

556
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: Joan wasn't two years too, yes, and.

557
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: Josie, so she just worked your magic, do you know

558
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 4: what I mean? And next thing I know, I'm playing

559
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: this role. And but you know, it just never felt

560
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 4: completely clean because of the circumstance.

561
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody can imagine it any other way.

562
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: That's true, you got it, you brought a cuckoo.

563
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: But also there was a sense of.

564
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: Comedy and like self awareness in some of your stuff.

565
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: Maybe when Taylor, when your character got more crazy, she

566
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: was so crazy it seemed like we were talking about

567
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: with Laura's character, you know. And when Jack was here,

568
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: you guys had later years there was like this tongue

569
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: in cheeks, yeah, thing about fun about it.

570
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know you all set that tone,

571
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: so to come in season five, you guys were a

572
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 4: well oiled machine at that point. Well, we were all

573
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: sort of scattering. So did you come into the beginning

574
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: of five?

575
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: So we worked together for a season, but they were

576
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: sort of because they knew I was leaving, So I

577
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: was doing less and less and less. Yea, And they

578
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: were building you guys.

579
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 4: Up and up and oh that's right, that's right.

580
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: And then six and seven. Did it feel different or

581
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: did it feel the same to you because you just

582
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: sort of had this three year run.

583
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 4: Well, I think it felt the same to me because

584
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: I didn't know any different. I think it would be

585
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: different if I'd come on season one.

586
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was your cast, like the new cast

587
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: was your cast?

588
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and there I was there for five and

589
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 6: then I left after five as well.

590
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: Oh you did, that's right, that's right.

591
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: It didn't get to work.

592
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was I was yeah that season five finale.

593
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Right, But because they were sort of because I remember

594
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: an episode at the end where I had one scene

595
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: in in an episode because they were trying to make

596
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: the audience forget about us, right, is that what.

597
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: The doing our character?

598
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: They were writing us out bit by bit by bit

599
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: hoping the audience wouldn't notice that. But some of their

600
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: old friends left.

601
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: But I think more during your years, Lisa, there was

602
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: more of that kind of like physical comedy, thinking about

603
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: you like knocking on the door with Jack and then

604
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: he like shuts says go away, and then you run

605
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: around and you're like and like in a slip or something,

606
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: and you're just so good at that physical comedy that it.

607
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: Was really fun. And the time where I took the

608
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 4: door and I smashed my face with the door.

609
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: What what is that?

610
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 4: It was so much fun? It did? It got crazier

611
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: and crazier after you guys left.

612
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: How'd you on the podcast talk about did you have

613
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: a stunt double at times where there's.

614
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: A stunted Yeah, Because I remember we went to Oxnard

615
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: and there was like a train accident and I don't

616
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: know who was on the train track. Don't look at us,

617
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: you know, and I remember I was with Jack. Yeah, God,

618
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: I don't even know who else was there, but there

619
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 4: was crazy, crazy crazy.

620
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 6: And your your general story arc was like that you

621
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 6: came in as the sister of Peter, who's Jack Wagner's

622
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 6: Peter's ex wife, and you were the sister, but then

623
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 6: you had you had a thing for him, for Peter,

624
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 6: and you were kind of like the little sister or

625
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 6: married him, but you were married to Kyle.

626
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: I remember, you know, you have memories of some things,

627
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: and memory not memories of others. I remember one day

628
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 4: where I had to film make out with Jack and

629
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: Michael in the same day.

630
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 6: I mean one day, no, yeah, one day, yeah, not

631
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 6: them specifically.

632
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, never had to do that again, but yeah, I

633
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: went for both of.

634
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 6: Was it double ups or all in one episode?

635
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: You know, that's a good question, because those double ups

636
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: were intense where we would film two episodes at the

637
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: same time. It was probably double ups, and that's I

638
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: think it was. I happened to kiss them both on

639
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: the same day, like literally one hour, Jack, next hour. Yeah,

640
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: so for.

641
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 6: The audience sake at least it was an episode apart.

642
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, so weird.

643
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like on Melrow's Place. Just every day

644
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: they bring in someone for you to make out with.

645
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: That's never happened again. I thought, I wish I enjoyed

646
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: it more. I know, right, say that is no one cared,

647
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: no one lets me kiss anybody anymore.

648
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: Now, it was that that in the soap opera. We

649
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: were always making out a wars.

650
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 6: Of and you had done Days of Our Lives for

651
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 6: three years prior to Melos Place. But how many episodes?

652
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 6: I think six hundred episodes of Days of Our Lives?

653
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: I did, I believe so? And for context for Melrose

654
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 6: it was sixty episodes probably right, Yeah, so six hundred

655
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 6: and something.

656
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that, but I mean three years that's.

657
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: How they go.

658
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, well didn't you go back later though?

659
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: I did a couple of times.

660
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: And how did that? How was it? How did it feel?

661
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: I would go aback? I think I went back ten

662
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: years later and then ten years later, so you hits.

663
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: It was a different casts even ah, pretty much the

664
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: same stay they stay there the whole time. I mean

665
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: they they have been there for forty fifty Wow. Imagine

666
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: that you have a job for that amount of time. Now,

667
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: some of the cast would change, but half of it

668
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: would be the same, so you would go back, i'

669
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: mean playing the same character that would play off of

670
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: you know, Marlena or Hope or bow Wild.

671
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 6: So with you've done things for a long time that

672
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 6: are really like momentous shows. What do you feel like

673
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 6: you're associated with which, Well, I.

674
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: Have days playing Billy Reid and Melrose playing Taylor for

675
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: sure are my two biggest things I think I'm known for.

676
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: And then of course Housewives with all the stuff in between.

677
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: You know, I did the talk show for a while,

678
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: Soap Talk for four years. I was a guest on

679
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: that Were You.

680
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Doug was too.

681
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: Doug was for sure.

682
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

683
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 4: So we did that for four years, and then I

684
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: did Dancing with the Stars and The Apprentice, and I

685
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: mean I went down the reality rabbit hole.

686
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: So Dancing with the Stars, everybody talks about how hard

687
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: it is, how many hours it's hard? Is it?

688
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: Like?

689
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: How many hours a day are you dancing?

690
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: Well, we were season two, Okay, at that point, we

691
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: weren't dancing as much as they ended up dancing eight

692
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: hours a day because we just didn't even know better,

693
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: you know, we were like we did it as long

694
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: as we could, but then it got more and more competitive,

695
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: and they were dancing eight hours a day and it

696
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: was very difficult because it's so physical, and the people

697
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: do the best of the Olympians and the athletes because

698
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: it's crazy physical energy that you.

699
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: I mean, dancing, ballm dancing is supposed to be that

700
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: physical and athletic.

701
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Is it should be an Olympic sport.

702
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 6: It's absolutely athletics.

703
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: I know it's athletic. I just never thought and you.

704
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: Would injure yourself. I mean you would like your feet

705
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 4: would hurt or there was one point we were doing

706
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: some dance where Louis would grab me around my ribs

707
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: and I'm sure I bruised a rib. I was in

708
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: so much pain. I mean, it's very very difficult, but

709
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: also the time of my life. I loved it so much.

710
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're super athletic, so.

711
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: I think I am, you know, and I'm competitive, and

712
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: I love that experience. One of my favorite things to do.

713
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: How far did you make it? Did you win semi final?

714
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: I got number four. I didn't win. But it was

715
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: the year that Drew Lache won. Oh and he a

716
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 4: boy bander dancer like just you know, some people go

717
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 4: in there and they just get it. And he was

718
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: a performer and he knew how to do it.

719
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: And did it feel like as it weeks went by,

720
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: like you wanted it more and more and more.

721
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 4: You get so competitive. But it was also live and

722
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 4: it was terrifying. It was terrifying because you know, what

723
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: if you black out, what if you mess up slip? Yeah,

724
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: it was terrifying. It was one of the probably the

725
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: hardest things I've ever done.

726
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 6: So when you were in your thirty forty two. I mean,

727
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 6: the thing that shocks me is when I see women

728
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 6: who go back like I'm sixty and I'm going to

729
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 6: be dude dancing with this.

730
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think I could do it. Yeah no,

731
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: I no, it's just to mean some of the women

732
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 4: that did it in their seventies, I don't know how

733
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: yew that. I really don't.

734
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 6: Good for them for signing up.

735
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you see.

736
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: They're dancing partners, dancing around.

737
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 4: Yes, but no, actually I've done that. And then out

738
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 4: of that what great? What was great about that is

739
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: I was able. I'd always wanted to do Broadway, and

740
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: so I was able to audition for Chicago and I

741
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: literally called them myself and said, I am ready to

742
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: come audition for you, thinking, you know, I can dance now,

743
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: so I can do it. So I just believed I

744
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: could do it. Wow, And I did it. I got it.

745
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: But they didn't come to me and say, oh, we

746
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: really want you. I went to them and said, please

747
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: let me fly myself to New York. I want to

748
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: come audition. And I did. That's amazing for you. That's

749
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: what came out of dancing with me.

750
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: So did you already know how to sing?

751
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: I had been singing my whole life. I was like choirs,

752
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 4: and I mean I wasn't a singer, but I'd studied

753
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: singing enough to where I could carry.

754
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: It to Wow. So what was that?

755
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: Like? What was believable? Eight shows a week? You could

756
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: only eat, sleep, and do the show. And I had

757
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 4: the kids with me. I think they were like five

758
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: and eight at the time. Not their favorite experience. They

759
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 4: don't love. They didn't love coming to New York and

760
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 4: had you know, we were working constantly and you had

761
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: to like really focus and it was not their favorite time.

762
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: Well, plus mommy leaves it what three in the afternoon.

763
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 4: No six, but then you don't see her because she

764
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: sleeps in till ten. You're off that schedule. That was

765
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: very challenging, right.

766
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 6: Did you do the show three months?

767
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 4: Wow?

768
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Three months?

769
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: And I did it with Harry? So Harry ended up

770
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: playing Billy Flynn? No way, Yes, and get this, so

771
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 4: I have to fly myself to New York and audition

772
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: and go through the whole process. So after I finally

773
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: get it, they said what about Harry? And I said

774
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: what about Harry? And they said, what do you think

775
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: about Harry playing Billy Flynn? And I was like, that's

776
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 4: a great idea.

777
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: Maybe he could audition.

778
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 4: Hi, Harry, do you want to play Billy Flynn? You

779
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 4: don't have to audition or anything. You can just show

780
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: up apart.

781
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 6: Yes please?

782
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

783
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 4: So he didn't have to audition anything. He just got

784
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 4: the part. And I was like, he's been that lucky

785
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: his entire career. You know, it's just the way that

786
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: it has such as.

787
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: I feel like clearing the way and giving make opportunity

788
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: including a tomato sauce.

789
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: I might add, truly, yes, listen, I'd hustle for everybody.

790
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: I know.

791
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 4: You're just like I hustle for those kids. I mean,

792
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 4: you name it.

793
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 3: But it's a natural thing about it.

794
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: It isn't natural.

795
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: It feels like you. It feels like natural to you.

796
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: I don't know where it comes from because both of

797
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: my parents, you know, I was an only child, a

798
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: group an only child, and both of my parents were

799
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: not super you know, hustle like, they just weren't. My

800
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: dad was an artist, my mom stay at home mom.

801
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: Where did the drive come from?

802
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: Where did the money come from? You had an artist

803
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 2: father and a stay at home mom.

804
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he had a he had a job at

805
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 4: Harry and David. Oh, so he at least had like, yeah, okay,

806
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: you know salary that came in. Yes, but you know,

807
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: just very middle class. I just don't know where the

808
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 4: drive came from. I think it came from wanting to

809
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 4: get out of Medford and you know, ye live a life,

810
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: a different life.

811
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: But you also seem to have this why not, which

812
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 1: I super like. I think that's such a great trait

813
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: to go through life with. I had a therapist say once,

814
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: the most damaging feeling you can have his fear of

815
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: disappointing people, because it's so limiting, and I feel like

816
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: your attitude is I'll try it. If it doesn't work,

817
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, which is such a great attitude.

818
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: I've never heard anybody state it like that, but I

819
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: think you're absolutely right. I do say why not. Yeah,

820
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm a game, Harry.

821
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: I've heard you say those exact words so many times.

822
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: I have, and Harry always says, you're game, You're just game,

823
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: and I am. I like new, challenging experiences. I think

824
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: it keeps you alive.

825
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: Well, I would say too. Like talking about we're saying

826
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: how do you have a long term marriage? Like you

827
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: know you said Harry is incredibly patient.

828
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: He is.

829
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: He's patient and calm, And I'm sure that energy like

830
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: if you guys aren't opposites because you're really grounded and

831
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: spiritual and thoughtful and loving, generous people, You're the same

832
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: in the important ways. That's true. But that energy of

833
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: why not, I'm sure he's like great, Like it gets

834
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: him out and moving. He'd probably be home reading a

835
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: book all the time. If not for you, you take

836
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: him out in the world.

837
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: I mean maybe, I don't know. I think we do

838
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: the same for each other. You know, his interests are

839
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: so different from mine that you know he pulls me

840
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: into his, I pull him into mine, or he watches

841
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: from Afar and is like, wow, crazy. You look at

842
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: what she's doing. And I watch from Afar and go

843
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 4: how cool. He's like helping the world. He's doing amazing

844
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: things and it's kind of a brain act. And you know,

845
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 4: he has a he has a fusion energy company. He's

846
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 4: really really smart. He's a great actor. He's just interested

847
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 4: in things that I'm curious about. Like I didn't have

848
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: the best education. He did. He graduated from Yale. So

849
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: I've learned more from Harry than I ever did from school.

850
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

851
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: I love is the respect, that mutuality and that like

852
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: you let him go do his world and he lets

853
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: you do yours.

854
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: I don't think you get.

855
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: More polar opposite than a fusion company and you like dan.

856
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: And crazy outfits.

857
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: I know, right, it's beautiful, isn't it that there that

858
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: a marriage can hold all of that?

859
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 4: And it can, you know, it's so can. I mean,

860
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 4: our marriage has held a lot, you know, And I

861
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: think it's really why we're still together.

862
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Well, because you enjoy it about each other. I think

863
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: that sometimes people are opposite, they resent each other being different. Yes,

864
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: and you guys, what you just said when I heard

865
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: you appreciate the differences like they're positives. And that's such

866
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: a great attitude I do.

867
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: And you know, again, we have to work at it.

868
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: You know, you have to work at it.

869
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: You know.

870
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: There are times when you know, we've gone to therapy

871
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: and whatever we need to do because we're not connecting

872
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: or you know, we're just living separately. We need to

873
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: come together. I mean we're very cognizant. I think of

874
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: the work that needs to be done.

875
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do get back to enjoying each other,

876
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: but you do most of the time.

877
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: I think that's all we can really ask for. That

878
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: is the most valuable thing. I think it's is that

879
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: caught when you can be caught, when you can go,

880
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: oh there's a separation, Oh yeah I need more.

881
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Oh I need to connect and you have someone there

882
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: to meet you. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's

883
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: just being aware of it.

884
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: Yes, we all get off on our thing and yeah,

885
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 2: things seem so important and you're in your little tunnel

886
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: vision and then it's like I need that connection.

887
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: I need that Yes, And I think that's what we

888
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: do for each other.

889
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: That's great.

890
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: Sure, And when we notice that we're not we're like,

891
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: I need this, and we're able to say to the

892
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: other person, listen, I need this. I want to be

893
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: more of a team.

894
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: You heard you on your last podcast saying you all

895
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: are going to take a trip.

896
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: You need to take a trip. So when's that happening?

897
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: God?

898
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: Oh wait, maybe that was Maybe you did that months ago.

899
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't know when you recorded, but.

900
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: You did take a little trip for anniversary. Oh we

901
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: did go to two Bunch of Poms, which we've been

902
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: going to for Like nice, I.

903
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: Hear it's quite different now, quite different. What do we

904
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: think of it?

905
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: Like, well, you know, I don't love change, but I change.

906
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: Welcome to Courtney Thorn.

907
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 6: So Courtney.

908
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's changed a lot. There's some basic still there,

909
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 4: like the hot pool that you sit in, the natural

910
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: hot pool, yes, the lithium pool, which I love, But

911
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 4: everything else has changed. I prefer it the way.

912
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: It used to be because it's so funky.

913
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 6: Maybe Turtle, is it more bogie? Is it like it's not?

914
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: Yes, it's more it's more bougie. But it was very

915
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: it was very rustic. It's still rustic, but it's more

916
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 4: like kind of milk toast. As much as I love it,

917
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 4: it's not like super fancy. It's kind of in the

918
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: in the.

919
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: You still go down to that dark basement for your massages.

920
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 6: No oh no, So to many people this sounds like

921
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 6: a good thing.

922
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: Is like that, they don't have gulous place. You loved

923
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: the little simple things and we'd sit in that like sauna. Yes,

924
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 4: it's like they put it over your body. It's like

925
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: a plastic thing and your head stuck out and they

926
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: like put tea inside of it and it would steam you.

927
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: Like weird things like that. Speak the mud baths that

928
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: are gone. Imagine during co there in other people's like

929
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: other people's mud mud.

930
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just getting your name what we're talking about.

931
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: Can you imagine what they're thinking of culture mud bat?

932
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: And if they do, they're probably put.

933
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: A hotel in the desert.

934
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: It was very weird. I did it one time and

935
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: I think that was it. You're just like, you know

936
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 4: something right about this.

937
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: My girlfriend did it. She's like I've been getting mud

938
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: out of my ass for four hours.

939
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: Yes, and you would try to like put hot water

940
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: in it to clean it. What it's mud?

941
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: Still mud?

942
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

943
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's speaking.

944
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 6: We were speaking a bit ago about new things that

945
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 6: you're so open to doing new things and trying new things.

946
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 6: And one of the new things you're doing, you I

947
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 6: heard you are you've optioned a book and you're you

948
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 6: have a production cut in you're, Yes, amazing.

949
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: Yes, we've optioned this book called a Shoe Story. And

950
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: you know, my publicist brought it to me. Actually, he

951
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 4: had taken a couple of years off during COVID and

952
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: worked for an actor's production company, so he came out

953
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 4: of publicity and his job was to option books. So

954
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 4: he came to me with this. He goes, I love

955
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: this book. I think it'd be so fun for you.

956
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 4: Why don't we do it? And I was like, okay again,

957
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: why not?

958
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Yes, Shoes is a really darling story.

959
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: I really connected to it, and I thought, let's see

960
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: where it goes. Like I don't know what's going to happen.

961
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: You know, we have to write it, we have to

962
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: do everything and sell it. But I think it's an

963
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: interesting new thing and I love for you.

964
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: I think it's a natural for you, Lisa, and I

965
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: just encourage you and support you to go.

966
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: Into that development.

967
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: We've been dabbling in that for a few years, have

968
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: you It never ends but it's a long process.

969
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: But you're made for that, you're made for producing, and

970
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: well we're seeing I don't know.

971
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: Hang in there.

972
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: No, I think it's true. You have all the elements.

973
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: You'd be great at it. But here's what I think. So,

974
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: if it's your movie and you're the star and you're

975
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: the producer, i'd like you to make Harry audition.

976
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will be the star star. I would

977
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: take a different role. The star is much younger. We

978
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 4: have to go with a young a young one for that.

979
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 4: But I do think Harry will audition.

980
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 6: It's time he worked for his you know his good.

981
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: He's just handed it all.

982
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: I'll just throw my head. And if you need a director,

983
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: I have directed a lifetime movie and I shadowed a

984
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: show for as and I love it.

985
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 4: Do you love directing?

986
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love it.

987
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: It's a ton of work, but it's it's kind of

988
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: like you can show up looking like whatever, and then

989
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: it's more about your head and your creativity and your

990
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: logic and decision making that you have to show up

991
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: with every day, not like just how you look and

992
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: go learn your lines.

993
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want that pressure.

994
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you should have someone it's a lot, especially

995
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: if you're doing everything. But at any rate, I just

996
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: feel like you should definitely go give that a shot, good.

997
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: To see where it goes. Do you have any.

998
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: Crazy everyone wants to know, any behind the scenes stories any?

999
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 4: I have one, okay, one that always pops up. So

1000
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 4: while I was working with Heather, we were Nemesis Nemesis. Yeah,

1001
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 4: so you're a nemeside and I'll never forget. I don't

1002
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: know why. And you know, we we had a great

1003
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 4: time working together. She was so I learned so much

1004
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: from Heather because she really set the tone, Yes, really

1005
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: set the tone, and I'd never done a nighttime series

1006
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 4: like that. She was just so lovely and so personable

1007
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: and so giving and always prepared, and she just ran

1008
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 4: that set really beautifully. She didn't she I really learned

1009
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: from her. It was a great, great deal, funny and

1010
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: funny and humble, all of it. Like, she was amazing.

1011
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: So at one point I'll never forget, the tabloids came

1012
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: out with this story that I was so jealous of

1013
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: Heather and so like freaked out by her that one

1014
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: day she was getting out of her car and she

1015
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: somehow maneuvered to the back of the car and her

1016
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: door was open, and I took my car and I

1017
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 4: rammed her door off of her car, and I was

1018
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: like what and they printed it. I was like, where

1019
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 4: do they come up like that story? So that's the

1020
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 4: one there.

1021
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: So that wasn't true.

1022
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 4: It was not true. It was not true. And then

1023
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: another time, I'll never forget when she was pregnant and

1024
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: you know it was physical by this point. You know,

1025
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: she's always hitting me. I'm like slapping. I saw that

1026
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: so funny so many times. I'll never forget this. They

1027
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: cut a hole in the floor because she had to

1028
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 4: do some scene where she needed to be hit and

1029
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 4: lie down, and I believe they were hiding her pregnancy

1030
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 4: on the show, so she had to lie on the floor.

1031
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 6: With her big belly in the cutout.

1032
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what do we do for a living.

1033
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: Problem solver? I'll never forget that. And we just laughed

1034
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: about it, like you just did what you were told.

1035
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: To do on that show. You really lucked out because

1036
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: you got to work with Heather and Jack, right, they

1037
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: were both so incredibly funny and funny.

1038
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 4: I mean Jack at first, Okay, first Jack, I was like,

1039
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about you really yes, because I'll

1040
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 4: never forget. It was probably double ups, doing two different

1041
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: shows for two different you know, whatevers. And he was

1042
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: directing me.

1043
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 2: Oh, and he wasn't directing the episode, and no, he's

1044
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: directing me, yeah.

1045
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: With him, And okay, did you have that too?

1046
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 6: No, I just I could see that that's what you were.

1047
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 4: Okay, So he's directing me in my scenes, and I'm like,

1048
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 4: I'm not used to that, and I'm like, i don't

1049
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 4: like this. I'm not sure about this. I don't like it.

1050
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: So I'll never forget. We were in the trailer one day.

1051
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: I remember, I was always himself in the mirror, and

1052
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: he used to give him such.

1053
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: A hard turn.

1054
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 4: He was so narcissistic.

1055
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: I mean, we all are.

1056
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: He was just on a level that, you know, was boldly, boldly.

1057
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: It's palpable.

1058
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: I need to him he.

1059
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: Was doing that too. But I'll never forget. We were

1060
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: in the trailer, the makeup trailer, and he had said

1061
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 4: something to me that just really rubbed me the wrong way.

1062
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 4: And I just turned around and I just barked at him.

1063
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: I said, don't you ever I don't ever want to

1064
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: see you direct me again. Don't you ever tell me

1065
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 4: what to do, and from that day on he loved

1066
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: me so much because I literally stood up to him.

1067
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: He was just testing me, you know, he was just

1068
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: poking me and testing my my will and how far

1069
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 4: he could go with me. And the minute I snacked

1070
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: him down, he was so cool and so lovely.

1071
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: Oh So it's hard for people out there who aren't actors,

1072
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: which is most of you. Probably it's the what we

1073
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: don't direct each other as actors. We together and the

1074
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: director tells us what to do, because you don't want

1075
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: to think that. You want to think your co star

1076
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: is in the scene with you, not watching you from

1077
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: outside judging what you're doing. It makes you feel very

1078
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: unsafe as an actor.

1079
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: So I felt very unsife because he was outside judging

1080
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: what I was doing and then telling me what you do.

1081
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 2: Nobody should be doing that, no thing, and I never

1082
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: had not a good thing.

1083
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: Have your director tell you that. So when I basically

1084
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: stood up for myself and made a boundary, he so

1085
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: appreciated it and he was my best friend from then on.

1086
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: As he likes to be teased, he likes it when

1087
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: you call him. Then I think he can relax when

1088
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: he knows he can play, trust you to take care

1089
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: of yourself, then he can relax and be fully and.

1090
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: Then we had great scenes great after that.

1091
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: Because you got to really play and you got to

1092
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: feel confident. Yes, it was a really interesting dynamic. Oh

1093
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: that's interesting, that's.

1094
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: The chemistry changed. Yes, for the camera, for the audience.

1095
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 3: Yes.

1096
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: And then how did your character end? Did you often

1097
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: the sunset? Did you die?

1098
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Speaker 4: Do you remember you stay pregnant?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Because I was pregnant, and again, pregnant women on Melrose

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Speaker 4: was not.

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Speaker 1: There's allowed to be pregnant as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was like, okay, time to go, and

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Speaker 4: I just I remember driving off into the sunset.

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Speaker 1: Was your character pregnant?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Oh oh yeah, they wrote that.

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Speaker 6: Do you remember whose baby it was?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Well, the whole storyline was it was it Jack's or

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Speaker 2: or Kyle's or Kyle's, Kyle or Michael.

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Speaker 4: Don't know.

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Speaker 2: You kept telling all of it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that one day when you made out with everybody,

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Speaker 1: So maybe we don't know, we don't. I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Someone would tell there you know.

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Speaker 2: It could be three guys and Lisa's baby.

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Speaker 3: I mean it really could.

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Speaker 6: I feel like it was Michael's like as a twist,

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Speaker 6: I feel like.

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Speaker 4: It was too. But Michael, after thirty years, I can't remember.

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Speaker 4: I need to go back and look it up. But

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Speaker 4: I do believe I left pregnant. I don't think they

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Speaker 4: hid it. I don't think we hit it.

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Speaker 2: You think you left showing pregnant showing okay, I think so.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: You were in such skimpy, like you're always in a

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00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: teeny little dress tight.

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Speaker 3: I never saw anything, So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I know I have to, I have to go back

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Speaker 4: and look. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: So then, when was the last time you actually watched

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Speaker 6: an episode of Melos?

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Speaker 4: It was my help show.

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Speaker 1: It's been thirty years.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I expected to remember these crazy turns.

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Speaker 4: Of men, and there were so many crazy things that

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Speaker 4: Taylor did that I can't remember. I just did it,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it changes week to week. It's not like

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00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 6: a long jen out storyline. You're going to go through

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00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 6: lots of storylines in just a few weeks, and.

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Speaker 4: It's very hard to remember, especially when you're doing two episodes.

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00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: Because Aaron wanted syndication, and the more we would shoot

1144
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: every year, the more money they'd get we all get.

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00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: As Chip pointed out to us when we had Chip, right, Chip,

1146
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: and Chip was like, well we all got more of

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00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: that week, right.

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Speaker 4: We don't we get like thirty three episodes or something.

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00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 4: It was a huge number. That is benheard of.

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Speaker 1: It's insane.

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00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 4: I'd like that about now. I mean now that you

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00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: how we really were lucky, really were lucky.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so what did you do when you drove off

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Speaker 6: into the sunset? Then you went and had you were pregnant,

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Speaker 6: so you were having had Delilah your first yes at

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00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 6: that point.

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Speaker 4: And then then I had postpardon for fifteen months, for

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Speaker 4: fifteen months, and then I went back to work. I

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Speaker 4: got I think I got a Lifetime movie. I think

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Speaker 4: that's the first thing I did. I think it was

1161
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: Another Woman's Husband with Gaelo Grady. I went back and

1162
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Speaker 4: did that.

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Speaker 1: That was a great one. I remember that.

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Speaker 4: I believe it was that it was like a swimming one. Yeah,

1165
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 4: that was not a swim or something.

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: That's when Lifetime movie, I mean life they're still good,

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Speaker 1: but remember they were like events. They were event they'd have.

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Speaker 1: There would be billboards on sunset for Lifetime movie. Remember,

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Speaker 1: everybody would watch them.

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Speaker 6: And the title was another a Woman's Husband, Another Woman's Husband.

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Speaker 6: Because I did one titled The Other Woman. Oh I'm sure,

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Speaker 6: I mean was it the same story?

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Speaker 1: Similar?

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00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 4: Probably similar?

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Speaker 3: We're all similar title, guys, it's like the same.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, A fair writers for lifetime, all these things so crazy.

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Speaker 4: And then I did one with Harry about a sex addict.

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Speaker 1: I remember that sex Lies and Obsession.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And I was five months pregnant with Amelia

1180
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Speaker 4: while I shot that. When we shot that in Toronto

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Speaker 4: in the winter.

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Speaker 1: And that was before anybody who was talking about sex addiction.

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00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: I remember when what a big risk.

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00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 4: That was the deal, you know one I talked about

1185
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: it and of course it was a true story. And

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Speaker 4: Harry played the sex addict beautiful, very.

1187
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 5: Well.

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00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 4: He played the one of the first gay characters in love.

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00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 4: So he has that as DNA. He likes to break

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00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 4: the glass ceiling when it comes to that, he'll take

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Speaker 4: a risk.

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did it feel scary at the time.

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00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: It It was weird because we'd never really heard about it,

1194
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 4: you know, sex addiction was not something that anybody really

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00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: talked about, so it was really and it was so

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Speaker 4: interesting that I was actually pregnant while we were shooting it.

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00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: It was again always a weird, yeah, setup.

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Speaker 2: So documentary, but also you're so vulnerable and you're pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was hard to film.

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Speaker 4: It was hard, and we hid the pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had big coats and again, I think

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Speaker 4: it's really when I see pregnant women working now, it's

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Speaker 4: just like you are so vulnerable in that time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So do you remember we crossed paths when I was pregnant.

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Speaker 6: We were both doing I think it was a benefit

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Speaker 6: theater thing. Penny Marshall was directing the vagina monologue.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I actually do.

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00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 6: Remember, and we were both doing that and.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys do it together?

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Speaker 6: I was we were all like assigned different monologues, we

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Speaker 6: were doing different pieces.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I vaguely remember sitting there on stools reading it.

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Speaker 6: And I was pregnant in rehearsals in the theater and Penny,

1216
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 6: God bless her, she was smoking like a chimney.

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Speaker 3: And I was not.

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 6: I actually didn't stay and finish it because I was.

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00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: That's why I don't remember.

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Speaker 6: In the middle. It was a tough pregnancy and it

1221
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 6: was just smook and all that stuff.

1222
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: I didn't say, but that was a trip that she

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00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 4: Penny Marshall, Yeah, she was a trip. Yeah, it's crazy

1224
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: and here we are. We're still here, and yes, isn't.

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Speaker 1: That so sweet? I know, it's really such a joy

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00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: to see you. I was so excited in the lot

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Speaker 1: and it's been so much fun to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: You're a delightly Si Well, gosh, so are you and

1229
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: Smith and all of you. You guys are so I

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00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: like you back then too. You know, it's not like

1231
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: it's not like, oh, I don't really want to go

1232
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 4: do this because I didn't really get along with them.

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Speaker 4: Those were so great.

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00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a great time out here so much.

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: When you want a guest on your podcast, you can

1236
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: get all three of the but I will.

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00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: Well, you know, sooner or later, we've got to have

1238
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 4: some guests. I think everyone's going to get tired of us.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I did La Law with Harry.

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: Well MILLI did. He said to talk about that. He

1242
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: brought that up today, he said, yeah, she played.

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00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: He and I have a lot of stories for off camera,

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00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: away from the.

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00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: Where is the fun in that? Yes, this isn't a camera,

1246
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: it's the podcast, that's right.

1247
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: You will come on and now this idea.

1248
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot before and.

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00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 4: Then we'll go and you can figure out what you

1250
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: want to say, yes, yes, yes yes, Well thanks girls,

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00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 4: thank you, likewise all of you. Thank you, you too,

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Speaker 4: Kay