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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm your host Joe,
Speaker 1: joined as always by your other host, Devan and the
Speaker 1: guy in this jour named Steve. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the third one, the third wheel. Now you're
Speaker 1: not we're all yeah, we're all equally at the bottles here.
Speaker 1: It's smelling and I refused to put it on because
Speaker 1: Joe had it last. Yeah, we're talking about my feet
Speaker 1: don't stink. Yeah, let's uh, well, this is off to
Speaker 1: a raging start. What are we doing here today, Joe, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was going to do a story
Speaker 1: about garbage collection, and then somebody dropped this one on
Speaker 1: my desk. Kind of interesting story. So I dropped the
Speaker 1: garbage one and picked up this one. Alright, alright, its mystery.
Speaker 1: It turns out it begins in late nine when the
Speaker 1: freighter freed On set out for Haiti from Miami, Florida. Uh,
Speaker 1: the island of Haiti, that is, the freed was under
Speaker 1: the command of Florian meyer Busch, a German guy. It
Speaker 1: was an a two foot tramp freighter Reggie steered in
Speaker 1: the Bahamas tramp prader. Uh. Any any sort of tramp
Speaker 1: ship is like, it's not it's one that doesn't belong
Speaker 1: to a regular shipping company and so it doesn't have
Speaker 1: a regular schedule. Essentially it does it just does sort
Speaker 1: of spotloads, so it picks up a spot job to
Speaker 1: transport cargo from the spot to this spot. But you know,
Speaker 1: it varies all over the place. And they're called tramp
Speaker 1: and you know, you associate that that word. What's kind
Speaker 1: of an old, rusty kruddy looking ship, which they tend
Speaker 1: to be because they're you know the obviously the new
Speaker 1: shining ones are that those are round by the big
Speaker 1: lines because there's lots of money. Yeah yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: what a tramp prader is. So it it worked the
Speaker 1: Carribbean waters carrying loads of whatever people want to ship
Speaker 1: pretty much, and there's something there's some rumors that a
Speaker 1: lot of these boats do a lot of smuggling also,
Speaker 1: which would make kind of sense, kind of desper for
Speaker 1: cash because they're not getting the big and I mean
Speaker 1: by they're not getting the giant lucrative contracts. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not there, they really aren't. But they're just doing
Speaker 1: this spot stuff. Like I can say, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a hand amout the existence, I'm sure, although most probably
Speaker 1: most of what they carry is perfectly legit. And you know,
Speaker 1: it actually is possible to carry a totally legit load
Speaker 1: and maybe have a little bit of drugs on board,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it really is. And I used
Speaker 1: to know it got years ago who had had been
Speaker 1: in the Merchant Marine and he smuggled drugs just personally
Speaker 1: for himself while he was in the merchant Marines, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people did, so, you know, is that
Speaker 1: considered smuggling or just carrying your own supply considered smuggling
Speaker 1: thisgling no matter what the what you do it for.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did smuggle. But anyway, but back to back
Speaker 1: to our story, um with frieda on was besides carrying
Speaker 1: the German guy at Floria and it was also carrying
Speaker 1: Lisa Bishop, who was twenty three years old from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 1: Attractive white lady. Exactly exactly which makes us interested in
Speaker 1: this story. Yeah, exactly exactly why we're doing it pretty much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lisa was, as I said, twenty three years old, a
Speaker 1: journalism student at Georgia State University living in Atlanta in
Speaker 1: n She had a boyfriend, Paul Cornwell, who if you
Speaker 1: watched Unsolved Mysteries, you can see Paul. He's on there
Speaker 1: because this is an Unsolved Mysteries the TV show special
Speaker 1: They actually did an episode about this one. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that long long time ago. It's sometimes I forget that
Speaker 1: they would just take any story, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like the mythos of that show made it seem like
Speaker 1: they were always doing big important cases. They did everything,
Speaker 1: which is the fun thing about that show. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: of them worse, these these little smaller kind of more
Speaker 1: obscure stories. This is a legitimate story about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it totally is. And it's a mystery. What the
Speaker 1: hell happened to her? The ship and everything. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: giving it all the way here. Sorry, Let's go back
Speaker 1: to Paul with his awesome haircut. And Paul did not
Speaker 1: have the best I'm assuming he's caught up at the times.
Speaker 1: He's got a better haircut these days. I guess it
Speaker 1: was probably the time they were filming, but yeah, even
Speaker 1: ninety one. By the time they filmed that, I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what they did. But at the time that
Speaker 1: Lisa left Miami on the pre dawn, he owned a
Speaker 1: punk rock club in Atlanta called Metroplex, which apparently in
Speaker 1: back in the day it was a pretty happening venue,
Speaker 1: and my think was still around. Actually I don't know
Speaker 1: that he didn't even I didn't even think to look
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah I did. I did a quick look.
Speaker 1: It does appear that's still there. It's probably totally different.
Speaker 1: All those venues change, you know, totally from a year practically,
Speaker 1: but he owned it and managed it, and Lisa apparently
Speaker 1: hung out there a lot, because why not, she'd been
Speaker 1: dating him for like three years and she was hanging
Speaker 1: out there and met this German guy we talked about
Speaker 1: before Flori and Meyer Brush who had long hair, which
Speaker 1: was still okay in the eighties. Yeah, he had he
Speaker 1: had really really long hair. He had hair band kind
Speaker 1: of hair. Yeah. I'm not making fun of it's just like,
Speaker 1: if you want to get an idea of how much
Speaker 1: hair this guy was, I think of poison in the eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's okay again, is it? Yeah? Or if you're
Speaker 1: you know, big and buff and you have a big beard,
Speaker 1: it's okay again. You could be like, what's his name,
Speaker 1: Flavio or Fabio? I mean Fabio, like Flaviot. There's a story,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you guys later, little Finn people at
Speaker 1: At this time, as I said, Lisa was Lisa was
Speaker 1: a journalism student that she was sticking of writing a
Speaker 1: story about about Haiti. And she's done something traveling in
Speaker 1: the Caribbean, and she was thinking to be cool to
Speaker 1: write a story about the differences between you know, the
Speaker 1: economies and level of wealth in America and Haiti. Something
Speaker 1: that sort of lashed this all with guilt, makes us
Speaker 1: feel bad about what's going on in Haiti. Versus you know,
Speaker 1: how well we have it here, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: you know, starving children in Africa plight. Yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of like that. Or you never know, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: she wanted to do it more seriously intellectual story about
Speaker 1: what what are they doing wrong down there? That's something
Speaker 1: more really actually economically right, And I don't know who knows.
Speaker 1: I feel like I shouldn't. I should quickly clarify that
Speaker 1: I don't think Haiti is in Africa because I feel
Speaker 1: like something, Yeah that quickly say that. Anyway, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: hard to tell what she was trying to write about.
Speaker 1: What she did want to write about that, yeah, assuming
Speaker 1: you know, assuming that maybe she just wanted an excuse to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, hop on this this ship with this handsome,
Speaker 1: long hair German, an excuse to go down to the Caribbeans,
Speaker 1: go somewhere. Yeah, it could have been. Uh. The story
Speaker 1: varies a little bit though, um, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how important it is, but it could be. And then
Speaker 1: one telling I've heard, Lisa tells Florida that she wants
Speaker 1: to do a story about Haiti, and then Florida says,
Speaker 1: oh my god, in this German accent that hey, I'm
Speaker 1: the captain of this ship which is going to sail
Speaker 1: to Haiti, and and another telling uh, they're just chatting,
Speaker 1: and Florian says, well, I have a ship that I'm
Speaker 1: kind of the commander of, and hey, we're gonna leave
Speaker 1: on this run to go to Haiti, and hey, you
Speaker 1: want to tag along? And and then maybe she came
Speaker 1: up with the idea that hey, I should write a
Speaker 1: story about it. Is in having the trip available to
Speaker 1: her actually spurred the idea of the yeah, other than
Speaker 1: rather than the other way around, exactly exactly, And the
Speaker 1: only reason this is even remotely significant is it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, some people have said that, well, did he
Speaker 1: sort of like, uh, find out she was interested and
Speaker 1: sort of trick her onto the ship or you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it was convenient I got. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sort of works this way into the theory is there, right,
Speaker 1: But since it's hard to say since we don't know
Speaker 1: exactly which of these versions is true. But so back
Speaker 1: to Lisa. She decides that getting onto a ship it
Speaker 1: was by the way, besides Florida and there were seven
Speaker 1: other crew members who were all Haitians. She decided to
Speaker 1: getting onto the ship with this one guy she barely knew,
Speaker 1: and seven other guys she didn't know at all. Was
Speaker 1: a great idea, sure, of course, but apparently her parents
Speaker 1: and her boyfriend didn't think it was such a hot idea. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw Lisa's father on the Unsolved Mysteries episodes and
Speaker 1: he I don't think he ever men you saw that quote?
Speaker 1: For him? He was like, it's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw that. I saw this picture, but I immediately thought,
Speaker 1: this is just not the kind of people she ought
Speaker 1: to be hanging out with. Something like that sentiments at
Speaker 1: every about any history of just about every guy their
Speaker 1: daughter was with. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, he just
Speaker 1: didn't think that Floyd was there kind of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and at Leasa's boyfriend, Paul, was also opposed for the
Speaker 1: obvious reasons, right and I don't need a name. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He tried to persuade her not to go, but Lisa assisted,
Speaker 1: and so she signed on aboard the freed on as
Speaker 1: a cook. So do we know how good her cooking
Speaker 1: skills were? I have no idea, because that might play
Speaker 1: into our mystery. Yeah, she burned one meal too many, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean if she was totally bad, So
Speaker 1: I seem it could have given her paletates of just
Speaker 1: TV dinners to prepare for the crew. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's not that long of a trip though, so yeah,
Speaker 1: Miami Haiti. I don't think it would be more than
Speaker 1: maybe three days. Yeah, well if they leave, they left
Speaker 1: on the seventeen, and they expected to call from her
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day, which is eight days later, so it
Speaker 1: had to be less than a week to get there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of out in that it was probably half
Speaker 1: as much of that time. Probably. Yeah. Lisa and Florida
Speaker 1: and left Atlanta, traveled to Miami, where the Freedown was docked,
Speaker 1: and on the morning of December sevente the ship set
Speaker 1: sail with Lisa on board and also Florida and the
Speaker 1: seven Haitian crew members on board. She at. Lisa did
Speaker 1: call her parents that morning to say goodbye, and she
Speaker 1: said she would call when the ship got to Haiti,
Speaker 1: and the plan was to sail the ship to go Naive,
Speaker 1: which is a small part about sixty miles north of
Speaker 1: Porta Prince Haiti on the west coast of Haiti. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then her plan data return was the thirty one December.
Speaker 1: I was going to say a kind of just south.
Speaker 1: I'd say it's half again as far as the Palmas
Speaker 1: from Miami, wouldn't you say something like that. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you don't have a Miami
Speaker 1: said the Bahamas is like a couple of plus like
Speaker 1: eight or nine hours. Yeah, I mean yeah, And so
Speaker 1: I assumed this old this this ship was old and
Speaker 1: rusty and everything. It probably probably wasn't that fast. But yeah,
Speaker 1: essentially to get there days down, hang out for a
Speaker 1: couple of days, and then a couple of days back
Speaker 1: up right, something like that, and then uh, if you
Speaker 1: look on the map with the way it works is
Speaker 1: you go do south from Miami to Cuba, and then
Speaker 1: turned southeast and sort of hugged the coast of Cuba
Speaker 1: until you get to the east end of it, turned
Speaker 1: south and then right left, right, and eventually you wind
Speaker 1: up in Hey. And so that's became Fidel Castro's personal chef. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, actually that's probably that's the other way that
Speaker 1: that could have gone. It could have been so good
Speaker 1: of a chef. Oh good point. The actually the Cubans
Speaker 1: were contacted by by the American government regarding this story.
Speaker 1: But we'll get there we'll talk there later. Yeah, no
Speaker 1: one has ever seen Lisa Bishop ever since. Nobody ever
Speaker 1: since that faithful day on the seventeenth of December that
Speaker 1: they left the and left Miami. Yeah, nobody, not even
Speaker 1: the crew members. Well that's a good point, right, she
Speaker 1: wass sensibly on a ship with them for a couple
Speaker 1: of days. So well, none of those people have been
Speaker 1: seen either. But she's a pretty white girl, so she's
Speaker 1: the only one that ever, anybody ever cares about. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: What about the pretty German boy, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him. That we'll find out more about.
Speaker 1: And of course the Haitians haven't been seen, but nobody
Speaker 1: cares about them, right, yeah, exactly. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you're not catching it, everybody, we're being sarcastic. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1: We care a lot, Yes, sure, a lot of people
Speaker 1: cared actually, but uh so, Christmas Day came and went,
Speaker 1: Lisa's parents still had not gotten a message of a
Speaker 1: phone call from her, so they got a little worried,
Speaker 1: not surprisingly, and also the families of the Haitian crew
Speaker 1: members also apparently became alarmed. And I heard that actually
Speaker 1: they reported their their family members missing before Lisa's family
Speaker 1: reported her missing. Well, they would see or have con
Speaker 1: checked with them much sooner than her. They might have
Speaker 1: been waiting at the dock for the ship to arrive,
Speaker 1: and the ship never arrived. It never showed up. The
Speaker 1: ship never showed up. Okay, the ship, the crew, everything,
Speaker 1: the car. None of them have ever been seen again, gotcha,
Speaker 1: none of them. So Lisa's family contacted the authorities, assuming
Speaker 1: I'd hear the Coast Guard would be the people to contact.
Speaker 1: Uh and I think family members of the crew also did.
Speaker 1: Do we have names for any of the crew, No,
Speaker 1: not a one. Now, the stories all of the Internet,
Speaker 1: this story is usually pretty stink and skimpy in the
Speaker 1: content is available. I thought i'd make sure that I
Speaker 1: just tendn't someholp. Yeah, no, you weren't the only one
Speaker 1: who couldn't find that. It's actually, you know, I think
Speaker 1: of this as your your standard in TV movie starring
Speaker 1: Florian long haired guy and Lisa white girl. And then
Speaker 1: there's seven extras in the background speak or yeah, doing
Speaker 1: chores on the boat. That's kind of way it is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. The Coastguard contacted ports all over the Caribbean,
Speaker 1: uh and including the Cubans, because there had always been
Speaker 1: that possibility that somehow they'd stumbled into Cuban waters and
Speaker 1: mid seas by the Cuban navy or something like that.
Speaker 1: The Cubans swore they had not seen the ship or
Speaker 1: any of the people. They were probably telling the truth.
Speaker 1: I also did some aerial searches. That's the Coast Guard
Speaker 1: did aerial searches in January nine of the Old Bahama Channel,
Speaker 1: which if just let me do you know what you know?
Speaker 1: You probably know what the Old Bahama Channel is personally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want to describe it or should I? We'll
Speaker 1: go for it. Okay, this is the obvious route between
Speaker 1: Miami and Haiti, and it's again it's like what I
Speaker 1: described before. Instead, you don't go to straight line because
Speaker 1: west of the Bahamas there's sort of a huge area
Speaker 1: of shallows there um and so if you want in
Speaker 1: a straight line towards Haiti, you run around sound. So
Speaker 1: you go around, you go south where there's a nice
Speaker 1: much deeper water, and then when you get very close
Speaker 1: to the coast of Cuba, you know, hang on, hang
Speaker 1: on left, go southeast and hug the coast of Cuba,
Speaker 1: and then go around and that's that's the old Bahama Channel,
Speaker 1: and they searched that with with jets um. I think
Speaker 1: they stepped three or four times something something like that,
Speaker 1: didn't spot a thing. And the immediate conclusion, of course,
Speaker 1: was at the Freedom Sink, which is not unusual by
Speaker 1: the way we should describe it. It is a the
Speaker 1: photo that is out there, Yeah, it is a narrow,
Speaker 1: rusty hunk a junk, yeah, And it appears to have
Speaker 1: everything stacked above the decks. So it looked in that
Speaker 1: photo that I saw, ignoring what you see on unsolved mysteries,
Speaker 1: it did not look as if it was all that
Speaker 1: stable of a boat and others it looked top heavy.
Speaker 1: Tab it was probably stable when he had everything stashed
Speaker 1: in the whole. I'm sure that they had. They probably
Speaker 1: were smart enough to put the heavier stuff down inside
Speaker 1: the hole, you know. And face with my hands up
Speaker 1: in the air, I don't know. Yeah. Again, these are
Speaker 1: people who the more money, the more cargo they haul,
Speaker 1: the more money they make, so obviously they're probably going
Speaker 1: to overload the ship. I might have been a factor here.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want to give anything away that
Speaker 1: could have been a factor in what happened if the
Speaker 1: boat sank, but there's not a lot of other possibilities
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, but anyway, as far as far as
Speaker 1: the Coast Guard was concerned, it was like, well, rust
Speaker 1: bucket of a boat. You know, the weather's dicey out there,
Speaker 1: you know, I sank. Okay, no, no mystery there. But
Speaker 1: but Lisa's parents and Paul Cornell did not want to
Speaker 1: drop this case. Yeah, they didn't understandably. Yeah, they tried
Speaker 1: to track down everybody who knew Florian. That would be
Speaker 1: people in Miami as well as Atlanta because and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure why you hung out in Atlanta so much.
Speaker 1: She was apparently kind of a drifter. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I've everywhere I've seen it kind of said that he
Speaker 1: just kind of went where the wind blew. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of that way. She's a good time. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think Atlanta is probably kind of cooler than Miami. If
Speaker 1: his boat is docked in Miami, it's weird that he's
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. There's there's no obvious reason for him to
Speaker 1: be there, I think, is what. Yeah, I'm for it.
Speaker 1: It might be a cooler town and it's only about
Speaker 1: five six centred miles away or something like that. So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know about that. If it was
Speaker 1: a cooler town than than Miami, I thought you were
Speaker 1: about to say, I don't know about I was really
Speaker 1: wondered for a second there. Okay, Yeah, I had no
Speaker 1: idea what it was. Yeah, okay they okay, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talking about the family. It's my fault. No, no, that's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: but okay, now I used my faulty keep going. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They also besides, besides tracking down all all of his acquaintances,
Speaker 1: they tried to get the press interested in The Miami
Speaker 1: New Times published a big article about this story in
Speaker 1: April of nineteen nine, which would be four months later. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And and underwater salvagher named Bob Nyberg read the article
Speaker 1: and he remembered something that he had seen. So it
Speaker 1: comes forward saying he'd seen the Freedom in Georgetown Harbor
Speaker 1: on Grant, Cayman Island, about two weeks after it supposedly disappeared.
Speaker 1: And this Grant came in island about five hundred miles
Speaker 1: to the west of Haiti, which is the wrong direction. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's totally on the the opposite side of Cuba from
Speaker 1: where our boat was supposed to be Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: again he saw this. About two weeks after the boat disappeared,
Speaker 1: he had, as he gave a statement on Unsolved Mysteries, said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like I was working in Grant came in
Speaker 1: on January that year. They've been a boat that came in.
Speaker 1: We were working under water, directly in the harbor area
Speaker 1: where the ships pulled in and tied up. When I
Speaker 1: heard the ship coming in, we came up and as
Speaker 1: as then came up from underwater and uh probably and
Speaker 1: as I was coming out of the water, we looked
Speaker 1: back and noticed that the name was Freedom f R
Speaker 1: E E d O N. And I made a statement
Speaker 1: to my friend that those guys need their freedom because
Speaker 1: they can't even spell the word yeah. So that anyway,
Speaker 1: he said that the next morning the boat was gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah that, but he said it was definitely freedom. He
Speaker 1: made an out that, yeah, little things like that can
Speaker 1: stick out. Well, that is, every time I read the
Speaker 1: name of this boat, my I automatically in my head
Speaker 1: fixed it so the end became an M because you
Speaker 1: just you expected to be. I was calling it free on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like, I like all the free on disappears should
Speaker 1: be free. Yeah, yeah, I know. But when Lisa's family
Speaker 1: and boyfriend heard about this, Paul Cornwell got together with
Speaker 1: Bob Niberg again that the two of them traveled back
Speaker 1: to Grant cayman In to investigate Cornwell and Ibrig's boat
Speaker 1: to witnesses who said that they had actually seen Florian,
Speaker 1: but nobody had seen Lisa. Yeah, they had actually took
Speaker 1: pictures of both of them down with them and showed
Speaker 1: them to a lot of people, and yeah, they got
Speaker 1: some ideas on Florian. Uh he was however, this is Florian.
Speaker 1: He was seeing what the short dude with black hair?
Speaker 1: Is that how he described as a dude? Yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy he was seeing with Louis Yeah, just a
Speaker 1: short man dude. What was Lisa's hair? She was blonde,
Speaker 1: kind of a dark blond. Yeah, yeah, she was actually
Speaker 1: a good looking girl. But beyond beyond that, Paul and
Speaker 1: Bob found nothing in Grand cayman Um and so that
Speaker 1: the trail kind of petered out. Later on, the guy
Speaker 1: was ided as a Haitian man called Philip, and reportedly
Speaker 1: Philip was the guy who charted the Freedom for its
Speaker 1: trip to Haiti. Well, I'll tell you how we found
Speaker 1: this out later, Paul Cornwell went back to Atlanta. He
Speaker 1: continued looking for any acquaintances or friends of Florian, and
Speaker 1: he found this woman who had been storing some of
Speaker 1: his stuff for him, Florian's Yeah, yeah, Florian stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm still a little hazy on exactly what the connection
Speaker 1: was to Florida. How and how Paul found this woman. Well,
Speaker 1: I know that they were apparently they had had a relationship,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how they how Paul found her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's never really explained. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know either, and that we don't know her name. So
Speaker 1: I'm calling her Jane Doe. So Dan, is that okay
Speaker 1: with you? You know, that's fine. I'm just considering, I mean,
Speaker 1: Janelle Mett thinking about what Matt Damon. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to think about, you know, how she could have
Speaker 1: come forward. Yeah, you don't know, You're probably probably somebody
Speaker 1: in the bar said, oh, yeah, I remember you used
Speaker 1: to hang out with this this woman, and it's probably
Speaker 1: just that way. But but anyway, this is how Philip
Speaker 1: was ided. He's a black haired guy. So Paul Cornwell
Speaker 1: finds a picture of a dark haired man in Floridance possession.
Speaker 1: It shows it's Jane Doe who says that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's philipp uh and they used to hang out, I had,
Speaker 1: I used to have a relationship with Philippe. And also
Speaker 1: she told him that Philip was involved in a large
Speaker 1: scale smuggling operation. Jane Doe also was the person who
Speaker 1: told Paul that philipp was the one who had hired
Speaker 1: the ship to go to Haiti, whatever that was worth.
Speaker 1: But when Paul heard this something about you know, smuggling,
Speaker 1: obviously that put ideas into his head, right, yeah, it would, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's thinking, well, something went wrong they you know,
Speaker 1: they met up with the wrong people or some horrible
Speaker 1: plot is uncovered and Lisa freaks out and threatens to
Speaker 1: go to the authorities, so they have to bash her
Speaker 1: over the head with a wrench. It's over body the sharks,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of something. Yeah, I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm sure all sorts of weird scenarios once he was had.
Speaker 1: Now this really is true that they were smuggling stuff,
Speaker 1: so especially sensitive contraband, and that that's really kind of
Speaker 1: insane to bring along somebody like Lisa, you know, who's
Speaker 1: just can only be a liability. I mean, unless they're
Speaker 1: smuggling humans. Yeah, he's trying to smuggle her. Oh there's that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not there. Yeah, we're not quiet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are gonna love this episode. Oh but you've got
Speaker 1: to wait to hear more. Yeah, this is actually the
Speaker 1: standard operating procedure for like the eleven o'clock News and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And we've had this conversation. I'm also
Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred percent sure about the identification of Philip,
Speaker 1: because what it sounds like to me is Paul found
Speaker 1: a photo of black of a black hair dude in
Speaker 1: Florence possessions, shows it to Jane Doe, who says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Philip. But how did he know. I mean, this black,
Speaker 1: this black hair dude resembled the person that had been
Speaker 1: that he'd been told about, short and had dark hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and but other than that, you know, it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a hundred percent for sure that Philip was
Speaker 1: the guy that had been hanging with him in Georgetown
Speaker 1: on Grand Cayman Island. Likely, it's quite possible, but not
Speaker 1: I would give it, give that one percent. And also
Speaker 1: the story got an update recently. It's it could have
Speaker 1: been dancing. Who's dancing? Okay? I don't all right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh so this story is not dead though still it was,
Speaker 1: you know, gets chatted about from kind of time on
Speaker 1: on Redd and web Solute, et cetera. But there was
Speaker 1: a recent update from a er whose name is No
Speaker 1: More Anxiety. Is that you Devon? Yeah, it's okay, but
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk, Okay, okay, no more but
Speaker 1: No More Anxiety got in contacts somehow with Paul Cornwell,
Speaker 1: and Paul told him a few things. I'll see. He
Speaker 1: tracked down Florida's parents, presumably in Germany, who told him
Speaker 1: that they had not actually heard from him since n Yeah.
Speaker 1: Paul also clarified what Jane Doe said about the smuggling thing.
Speaker 1: He said it was really actually mostly conjecture on her part.
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. He said he's spoken to the families
Speaker 1: of at least some of the Haitian crew members, and
Speaker 1: those guys have not been heard of since n Lastly,
Speaker 1: Paul told No More Anxiety that there was a siding
Speaker 1: of the Freedom by somebody in the U. S. Navy
Speaker 1: recently like date dat unknown, but apparently some time since
Speaker 1: like two thousand ten, that's a huge time for it
Speaker 1: to disappear and reappear, well, especially something as old and
Speaker 1: crusty and rusty as that thing. You know what I'm saying. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm taking that one with the big
Speaker 1: old grant of Also, one person in the US, one
Speaker 1: person in the U. S. Navy, and how, you know,
Speaker 1: how does he find out? I presume some guy contacted
Speaker 1: him and just said, hey, I was in the Navy,
Speaker 1: and he got the gout to saw who knows sent
Speaker 1: him a m Yeah, it could have been probably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's also a rumor rocketing around the internet, well not rocketing,
Speaker 1: sort of pottering around the internet, I guess. But there's
Speaker 1: a rumor that the freed On has been renamed the
Speaker 1: Freelion and that is still roaming the high seas. Is
Speaker 1: that like Freedom, Freedom or Freelion that. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: they wanted to save money on pain. I guess they
Speaker 1: didn't want to the entire men, just most of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is again nobody, nobody who republishes this claim ever,
Speaker 1: says it's substantiated at all. Everybody says there it's it's
Speaker 1: maybe the Freelion now, but it's unsubstantiated, so who knows.
Speaker 1: So that's the extent of the story. So Lisa and
Speaker 1: the freed On leave Miami, and nobody has ever seen again,
Speaker 1: including the ship, and people want to know what the
Speaker 1: hell happened? All right too, Yeah, we all want to know,
Speaker 1: So we got to answer that. Next, let's start talking
Speaker 1: about what possibly might have happened to Lisa Florian and
Speaker 1: the freed On and those other seven dudes and the
Speaker 1: other seven dudes. Ready to get into our cool theories
Speaker 1: and there are actually quite a few for this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to talk about the theories behind why seven
Speaker 1: Paitians and two random other people disappeared. I know what
Speaker 1: it is. You know what it is. It's Mel Gibson.
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson. He realized that this this ship was floating around.
Speaker 1: He was going to screw up the movie that he
Speaker 1: would put out in a couple of years called Braveheart,
Speaker 1: and everybody was going to get confused if he said
Speaker 1: the line wrong, you can't take my freed on, you know,
Speaker 1: the cast and crewer look at him like, what the
Speaker 1: hell are you talking about this time? Now? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: there he took that ship. Yeah, no, that's a little
Speaker 1: known fact that yeah, when when he when he screams
Speaker 1: freedom at the end, originally it was misspelled on the
Speaker 1: screw ripped and he did scream freed on that yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah for real? Is okay back to our theories.
Speaker 1: Um well, our first one is the obvious one, of course,
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle. It's very close to the Bahamas, so yeah,
Speaker 1: and so they would be kind of like off in
Speaker 1: the westernmost tip of the triangle there. But yeah, they
Speaker 1: could have like sailed enough into it, probably have meet
Speaker 1: some mayhem like interdimensional time work kind of thing. Seems unlikely. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you guys don't want to go one of that
Speaker 1: anymore deeply, No, I really don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: how it was transported back too and sunk by the Germans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess they probably would have fitten that time would
Speaker 1: have like this is definitely a period ship. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they always get transported to right before some cataclysmic historic
Speaker 1: moment right now, showed up on Bikinia toll, Yeah exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be great. Yeah, what's that over there? Let's
Speaker 1: going tick tick tick. Yeah, so that is definitely not
Speaker 1: the case. Yeah, okay, so uber me to try and
Speaker 1: go no like Philadelphia experiment. Here, let's get to some
Speaker 1: more real life possibilities. And there are many here, but
Speaker 1: in particular order pirates, which you know is not actually
Speaker 1: the Pirates of the Caribbean wasn't Realian, so therefore it
Speaker 1: must be real. Actually, the crick the Caribbean does have
Speaker 1: a lot of pirates. There's not pirates for centuries, and
Speaker 1: there are real ones even today. They're still all there's
Speaker 1: still out there applying their trade. Maybe the Freedom was
Speaker 1: taken at sea the ordes of some other mission. It's
Speaker 1: I I don't know if there was how likely it
Speaker 1: would be that their cargo was that valuable, although maybe
Speaker 1: they could have taken it to some ports somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't did. I can't envision this particular vessel being
Speaker 1: contracted to carry a high value cargo and it just
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like a boat that is screaming money.
Speaker 1: So we don't know why. I mean, unless somebody had
Speaker 1: insider info and there was something hidden in that hole
Speaker 1: that we didn't know about. It out there was a
Speaker 1: ton of gold in there. If the pirates wanted it,
Speaker 1: they probably wanted it for some other purpose besides the
Speaker 1: contents of it. They probably wanted it to transport something,
Speaker 1: for example. It also kind of looked like the kind
Speaker 1: of ship that they could get away with just taking
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not a high dollar liner
Speaker 1: where the where the people who own it are going
Speaker 1: to come after it. Maybe what was on the ship
Speaker 1: was worthwhile. Maybe what was on the ship wasn't as worthwhile,
Speaker 1: but having a new ship might have been worthwhile. That
Speaker 1: nobody just flies under the radio, that nobody's really going
Speaker 1: to pay attention to you like slap a new coat
Speaker 1: of paint on it. And maybe that it was easier
Speaker 1: to get I mean, you know, maybe it was less staffed,
Speaker 1: maybe the less defensible. Maybe certainly that certainly a ship
Speaker 1: like this is not gonna be able to afford to,
Speaker 1: like you hire a team of blackwater operatives to you know,
Speaker 1: like stand on deck with machine against through a pell boarders.
Speaker 1: And it really did not look like the sort of
Speaker 1: thing that anybody would have missed. Yeah. True, if that
Speaker 1: white girl hadn't been on that ship, we probably would
Speaker 1: have never never heard about it. No, absolutely not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody would have even looked for it probably, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just that she was white. Also, it's
Speaker 1: because of her family and her her boyfriend made a
Speaker 1: stink too. That made a difference too. But you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, but ships do disappear all the time,
Speaker 1: whether it's natural causes or piracy. It could have been
Speaker 1: taken the high seas. They could have just boarded the
Speaker 1: ship at the dock, which happens a lot to piracy
Speaker 1: is not just all you know, like well, but I
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, it's not as if it left
Speaker 1: the dock on its own. It had to be pulled
Speaker 1: by the dog. It was taken by a tug. But
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still there's no reason you can't like
Speaker 1: board the ship and just say hey, nice ship, can
Speaker 1: I have a look around? And then you pull out
Speaker 1: your revolver and say, okay, we'll keep running with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry for the cheesy foreign accent there. And that would
Speaker 1: account for the freedom being seen elsewhere, you know, even
Speaker 1: after it had been presumed lost, because it didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's new owners. Yeah, they still hadn't gotten around
Speaker 1: to abandoning and scuttling at whatever they finally did with it.
Speaker 1: I sent with something like that, especially when the word
Speaker 1: got out that it was being looked for. You might
Speaker 1: think it's time to find yourself a new ride, or
Speaker 1: you might or paint a new name on about you.
Speaker 1: You might just go further south or yeah, you could
Speaker 1: do that too. You could just head on South America
Speaker 1: or something, or across the pond or across the pond.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think this boat would have made it.
Speaker 1: It probably would have made it. People that human beings
Speaker 1: have been crossing bigger distances on crappier craft for a
Speaker 1: long time, But I don't think. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would want to chance it. Yeah, I don't really think
Speaker 1: this thing could make it. So let's keep moving. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: another possibility is just a more natural one, which is
Speaker 1: had just natural causes. It sank like there was a storm,
Speaker 1: for example. Uh, there's also the possibility that so it
Speaker 1: might maybe it wasn't. Even although it sprang a leak.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it probably would have taken a little
Speaker 1: bit longer to sink than to say it wuld have
Speaker 1: been a storm. Yeah, because there that was the other thing, right,
Speaker 1: is there weren't There was never ever distressed, a stress
Speaker 1: call or anything like that. There was no distress call,
Speaker 1: but you never know. I mean, it might be that
Speaker 1: the radio wasn't working. I mean, obviously this is the
Speaker 1: best maintained well. It also could be a situation where
Speaker 1: the leak snuck up on them. If the hold is
Speaker 1: full of junk, nobody's probably heading down there. Remember I
Speaker 1: told you when I was on that trip, my last trip,
Speaker 1: and we were on a boat and I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out why we kept getting slower and slower on the
Speaker 1: way home. And then I looked down and I realized
Speaker 1: the hold was completely full of water because the ding
Speaker 1: dong had never turned the bilge pump on. That does happen,
Speaker 1: so you oh, it'll be fine, and then you're you're
Speaker 1: slowing down overnight, you don't really notice, and the next
Speaker 1: thing you know, the deck is at the same level
Speaker 1: as the ocean around. I. I have actually been in
Speaker 1: a boat or two where that it's situation has occurred also,
Speaker 1: but then we never got that far. And the one
Speaker 1: thing I will mention is having been in those some
Speaker 1: of those exact same waters at you know that time
Speaker 1: of year, it is not a nice time to be
Speaker 1: on the sea. That is, it is the time where
Speaker 1: it can get It isn't always, but it can get
Speaker 1: really rough, and I imagine it's very changeable, very quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know there will be times where you're just like,
Speaker 1: well that I'm not going out on the deck today
Speaker 1: because that wave just crashed right up. Okay, guess we're
Speaker 1: staying at sea today. Yeah, I mean it can be
Speaker 1: and if you've got cargo that maybe wasn't secured properly,
Speaker 1: or if it was top heavy like Steve was and overloaded,
Speaker 1: if it was crappy, you know, you get one good
Speaker 1: you know, or even just a big wave, not even
Speaker 1: big wave, or just a quick little back and forth,
Speaker 1: two or three of those will just have you right
Speaker 1: over pretty quick. Your cargo shifts and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that one of the statements of Coastguard made
Speaker 1: it was relating to the weather and just how the
Speaker 1: weather is changeable out there. So they seem to have
Speaker 1: no trouble at all, the Coastguard, that is accepting the
Speaker 1: idea that the boat just sank right. But on the
Speaker 1: other hand, that then we got Bob and Iberg saying
Speaker 1: you saw the ship in Georgetown, Harvard just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later, but he came forward months later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so entirely possibly he may have seen this ship, but
Speaker 1: he's got the dates wrong in his head. Yeah, that's possible.
Speaker 1: I don't know. See, I don't know exactly. For example,
Speaker 1: when he was in Georgetown Harbor, maybe he was working
Speaker 1: there as as an underwater salvage diver, and so it
Speaker 1: may be that he was contracted to do a job
Speaker 1: and like the know, the first two or three weeks
Speaker 1: of January, and so maybe that's how he knew that
Speaker 1: he had seen it after it was supposedly lost. Maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know well either or it could be like
Speaker 1: you said, misremembering. I don't know well either way, the
Speaker 1: place that he says he saw the ship was five
Speaker 1: hundred miles away from where that ship should have been anyway, right,
Speaker 1: So that's a mystery on top of that, even if
Speaker 1: it did sink, Yeah, and he had the dates wrong,
Speaker 1: why so why was it five hundred miles away from
Speaker 1: where it should have been? Well, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a tramp tramp parator. So it's entirely possible, say they
Speaker 1: picked up a cargo in Haiti that was to be
Speaker 1: transported to the Cayman Ellen and so you know it's
Speaker 1: not But again it's this, it does sort of like
Speaker 1: put a crimp in the hole. It sank. Theory sank
Speaker 1: sank of the storm. I would agree with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so damn him. Yeah, I know so. But on
Speaker 1: the other hand, maybe maybe Florida and meyer Busch learned
Speaker 1: that people were searching for Lisa and decided to move
Speaker 1: a ship in his business set to South America or
Speaker 1: Africa or something. Yeah, and that's why the ship was
Speaker 1: never seen Again, I don't know. Well, let's go, let's
Speaker 1: go into our next year. We'll try to like make
Speaker 1: this all coherent by the end, because I know it's
Speaker 1: getting complicated here, right really not really, Well, let's move
Speaker 1: on to our next possible theory here, which is it
Speaker 1: Lisa and Florian fell in love and they decided to
Speaker 1: run off and started new life together. Yeah. Yeah, totally
Speaker 1: discredit air disregarding the seven other crew people. But yeah, sorry, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: we're in the love and we're gonna need to kill you.
Speaker 1: We're secured relationship by murdering seven and is in people.
Speaker 1: It brings us together. You know, I don't feel that
Speaker 1: bad about it because, frankly, I don't even know your names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're extras in our little drama. That would be pretty awful. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be. But but still, I find this one
Speaker 1: hard to believe. I mean, this one has actually been
Speaker 1: suggested by other people, not just me, so that's why
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it up. And it also seems like you
Speaker 1: don't let your family think you're dead. No, you don't
Speaker 1: like your family suffer like that. You know. Of course,
Speaker 1: maybe she was embarrassed, you know, because she had told
Speaker 1: her boyfriend like, oh, nothing's gonna happen, Everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: And then she didn't have to contact your boyfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. She could have just said to
Speaker 1: the parents. He could have just sent them all's over
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, call him from Haiti and say, hey,
Speaker 1: just wanted to let you know that I actually ran off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: never coming back. But I love you guys, because you've
Speaker 1: got a horrible mustache and terrible hair and I just
Speaker 1: can't take that. I can't handle that mullet or whatever
Speaker 1: it is it mullet, Yeah, it was, yeah, telling you
Speaker 1: just call a parents man, write him a letter for
Speaker 1: God's sake something. Yeah. So I'm not not buying that
Speaker 1: theory at all. So let's cross that one off the list.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, all right, next, sorry, this is a
Speaker 1: little more nasty. And what if the captain and crew
Speaker 1: of the Freedom, like say, raped and murdered Lisa and
Speaker 1: then just threw it to the sharks. Yeah yeah, isn't
Speaker 1: that very similar to the the guy with the sub
Speaker 1: recently and the reporter that he disappeared her overboard after
Speaker 1: some they suspect some sexual encounter went wrong. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I can't think of their name. I can't again either,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he was. He was the mad inventor genius guy.
Speaker 1: And I love when they're mad and genius all at
Speaker 1: the same time. Yea, So it's a similar situation. Yeah, again,
Speaker 1: and he kept changing his story and then he had
Speaker 1: to like, you know, carve her body up into a
Speaker 1: couple of pieces and throw it to the sharks, you know,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So maybe this was yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know, but anyway, this this theory is actually a
Speaker 1: more believable theory than Lisa arrives in Haiti safe and sound.
Speaker 1: But but it still doesn't explain the seven crew members. No,
Speaker 1: that's it. You know. If they had done that, well
Speaker 1: maybe maybe after they murdered her, they murdered each other
Speaker 1: and see each other overboard. I don't know. This does not.
Speaker 1: This doesn't really account for the missing crewman. It did.
Speaker 1: It actually does not. This holds as much water as
Speaker 1: that boat did. Yeah, okay, maybe not. Wait, you don't
Speaker 1: want your boat to hold water. That's actually you do
Speaker 1: want your boat to hold water. You want your boat
Speaker 1: to hold water out. Yeah, it was holding it in anyway,
Speaker 1: just like me. Right now, hurry up, we gotta get
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Okay, alright, let's talk about Okay, our
Speaker 1: next theory, Lisa was sold to slavery, another popular theory
Speaker 1: on the internet. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of I
Speaker 1: want to say, over use of the theory of human trafficking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. It certainly happens, and I think it happens
Speaker 1: a lot more than anybody wants to admit. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it happens as much as it's speculated. Well,
Speaker 1: the problem is is like when it comes to things like,
Speaker 1: you know, finding women that want to go into that
Speaker 1: particular trade, there never seems to be a shortage of them.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't really need to go kidnapping people,
Speaker 1: and but you do. I think you often you do.
Speaker 1: I was I was gonna say, so, be careful treading
Speaker 1: down that path, Joe. There's sex a lot. There are
Speaker 1: people who go into the trade of being a sex worker.
Speaker 1: And if you who don't call no, I get, I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, But no doubt there is some
Speaker 1: coersion involved in that trade and everything, but probably not
Speaker 1: as much as and definitely when it comes to women
Speaker 1: like Lisa or young and pretty. That whole theory is
Speaker 1: what's say, it's it's It really is very titillating to
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah, like I said often over
Speaker 1: you topic, Yeah, it sure does. And the only I
Speaker 1: guess the only way that I could really see that
Speaker 1: happening is if he you know, they was they were
Speaker 1: actually smuggling, and they were actually smuggling humans, and that
Speaker 1: they had already had some sort of set up in place,
Speaker 1: and maybe this was something that they did a lot,
Speaker 1: but it still would not explain the missing crew. Ye,
Speaker 1: unless the hold was already full of human cargo and
Speaker 1: they stuffed Lisa down there and when they got to
Speaker 1: the port of call, he said, hey, there's a bonus
Speaker 1: I'm throwing in these guys. Yeah, I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: only way that honestly that's true. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: But then what happened to him? But yeah, he got
Speaker 1: himself a new crew and went to the Grand cap
Speaker 1: So that was I guess. The other thing is it
Speaker 1: kind of seemed to me and maybe you guys got
Speaker 1: a different impression, but it kind of seemed to me
Speaker 1: that the Haitian crew that he had was his crew
Speaker 1: for a while. It sounds were at least for a while,
Speaker 1: they weren't just one off contract people. So that would
Speaker 1: be a like an extra horrendous thing. They would be
Speaker 1: kind of hate. Yea, yeah, I h well, it's it's possible,
Speaker 1: you know. I could see a scenario where they're going
Speaker 1: to smuggle all these all these people and then and
Speaker 1: then here comes Lisa's thing saying, oh hey, I'd so
Speaker 1: love to go along to Haiti. I just don't want
Speaker 1: to go to Haiti. And he's like, oh, this is cool.
Speaker 1: It's just has just dropped into my lap, you know.
Speaker 1: And so and so invites her long figures and I'll
Speaker 1: get a few extra bucks, and so they go do
Speaker 1: their deal. Then he and the crew take off. There's
Speaker 1: a Grand Cayman and then sink of the storm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's getting complicated. Yeah, and you think they visit their
Speaker 1: family when they got you would think they would have
Speaker 1: stopped and said high. Yeah. Well, I mean, it isn't
Speaker 1: it possible that they weren't actually going to Haiti? Because
Speaker 1: that possibility, I'm sorry, I'm thinking I'm treading on a
Speaker 1: upcoming theory. It could be we don't know that, we
Speaker 1: don't know that they actually he could have lied to her,
Speaker 1: especially if the way that this came about was she said,
Speaker 1: you know, I would really love to go to Haiti
Speaker 1: to write a story. Oh I'm going to Haiti exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's a sleep very true. I've had that thought
Speaker 1: of the Again, we had the problem with the crew
Speaker 1: members families expecting them to show up and they didn't
Speaker 1: show and so that's that's kind of the whole problem
Speaker 1: with you know, if he was a human trafficker or
Speaker 1: was looking for people to abduct, it would also also
Speaker 1: help explain why he was in Atlanta instead of Miami.
Speaker 1: And it could also well, okay, so we could actually
Speaker 1: explain why they all disappeared because they may have met
Speaker 1: to their buyer and something went wrong and the cargo
Speaker 1: was transferred and he and his crew were killed because
Speaker 1: they didn't deliver, or they were jerks about it, or
Speaker 1: they asked for more money, or they did something that
Speaker 1: made the bad guys mad. Because despared, they got to
Speaker 1: hook up with the bad guys with their human cargo.
Speaker 1: And I'm in as to them. Their their their engine system.
Speaker 1: Like sprung a carbon monoxide. He can gas everybody down
Speaker 1: in the hall. Everybody's dead. You're dead, now what you
Speaker 1: mean everybody's dead? Well, I guess I'll take all of
Speaker 1: you instead. Well see, And this is exactly why people
Speaker 1: trot out this theory all the time of human trafficking
Speaker 1: or sex slavery or anything like that. I think, because
Speaker 1: it's so easy to just be like, it's exciting and
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's very dramatic and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And but I agree, I don't think any of it
Speaker 1: really satisfactorily explains the mission mistination. Yeah so yeah, well okay,
Speaker 1: so so much for the soul into slavery theory. All right,
Speaker 1: let's work on our next theory here, which is that
Speaker 1: maybe at least a bishop made it to Haiti, but
Speaker 1: she met a bad end in an unrelated incident. Right,
Speaker 1: me's a serial killer? Well, I mean it's not as
Speaker 1: if even today it's not a rough and tumble It
Speaker 1: was not a rough and tumble place. I mean, accidents happened,
Speaker 1: it's not an overly Also, it doesn't really sound like
Speaker 1: she planned this trip out very well. You know. She
Speaker 1: kind of just was like, I don't know, I've I've
Speaker 1: had a pretty easy life. Let's go see what not
Speaker 1: easy life. You know, packed a backpack with her little
Speaker 1: clipboard and went down there and was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to write about poor people. The first first poor person
Speaker 1: she sees, who maybe is like, you know, a really
Speaker 1: horrible serial killer or something, and says, Hi, I'm from America.
Speaker 1: I'm writing a story on impoverished people. Would you like
Speaker 1: talk to me? And the person goes, yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: have a place where we can do the interview, and
Speaker 1: she goes, okay, that sounds great. What I really really
Speaker 1: wish everybody who's listening right now could have seen was
Speaker 1: Devin holding out her script like it was a clipboard
Speaker 1: with an imaginary pen in front of him, writing out
Speaker 1: as she was questions. I mean, I don't mean to
Speaker 1: paint her as like a yeah, but everything I've heard
Speaker 1: actually she was. She was a smart girl. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can. But she put herself in maybe not
Speaker 1: the best situation by just getting on that ship, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think so her judgment could have been
Speaker 1: a little better. Um, you could have made a bad decision,
Speaker 1: she could have it could have been totally fine. We
Speaker 1: could be smirching the captain what's his name? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Floria has attracted a lot of suspicion obviously, could
Speaker 1: be totally be smirching him. He could have could totally
Speaker 1: be innocent of everything taking her down there she walked
Speaker 1: off the ship and on her way to the pay
Speaker 1: phone and did something stupid or just maybe she did
Speaker 1: everything right and cross paths with the wrong person, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean that's there's that too, you know. But but
Speaker 1: then again that's that's there's still a problem with that,
Speaker 1: which is, of course the crew members in the ship
Speaker 1: didn't show up either, haiti. Um, yeah, that's the big
Speaker 1: problem in just about every theory that that's a problem. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So these these all these theories that have been put
Speaker 1: forth have been put forth by people other than me,
Speaker 1: really pretty much, So what really happened? Of course, as
Speaker 1: as Devin mentioned, do we really know that the ship
Speaker 1: was headed to Haiti to begin with, well said, you
Speaker 1: know their crew? Yeah, do we really know? Do we
Speaker 1: really know, for that matter, that Lisa actually got on
Speaker 1: board the ship. We don't know that actually had to
Speaker 1: percent for sure, because nobody out't. I don't think your
Speaker 1: family and boyfriend actually went down to Miami to see
Speaker 1: them off with the docks. She did say that she,
Speaker 1: I mean, there is the whole she called. She called
Speaker 1: the morning of her departure. Yeah, right, But did she
Speaker 1: call from the dock? I don't think so, Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know, and she could have called from
Speaker 1: like a pay phone at the docks. That's what I
Speaker 1: was wondering about, is if it was just from her
Speaker 1: apartment or a hotel room, or if it was from
Speaker 1: the dock before she got on board. It's never clear
Speaker 1: to me. That's why I'm asking this question. Now. We
Speaker 1: don't know. That's that is a good question. Um, But
Speaker 1: she did call sometime, And of course I've actually heard
Speaker 1: too that they actually didn't actually leave the dock until
Speaker 1: like two in the afternoon that day. So between the
Speaker 1: phone call and actually leaving the dock, there was plenty
Speaker 1: of time for Lisa to knocket on that boat, wander
Speaker 1: off and wander off and get run over, maybe being
Speaker 1: a serial killer over here in Miami, fall into the
Speaker 1: mouth of an alligator. Yeah, there's a lot of them there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so we don't really know, but I assume she
Speaker 1: did get on the ship. All I'm saying. All I
Speaker 1: am saying is that we can't assume a hundred percent here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, there's other either. I answer your questions too.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that. What the hell is Florian doing
Speaker 1: hanging out in Atlanta anyway? If he's trade was doctor
Speaker 1: in Miami. As far as Lisa goes, did she meet
Speaker 1: a bad end? Absolutely, I have no doubt about him.
Speaker 1: Whether it was drowning or kidnapping or but whatever happened
Speaker 1: to her, unfortunately it was not good because I'm not
Speaker 1: buying the hole she ran off with Florian or she
Speaker 1: just decided to disappear and start a new life on Haiti,
Speaker 1: you know, moving with the peasantry on Haiti. I don't
Speaker 1: think that happened. I don't think so, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, she met a bad end. I think
Speaker 1: those seven Haitians whose names we don't know, probably yeah,
Speaker 1: they probably all I think unfortunately the ships sank um.
Speaker 1: The whole thing that happened with Grant Cayman and what's
Speaker 1: his name, um, Bob Nyberg. I there's all sorts of
Speaker 1: possibilities there, Like, like you guys said, he might have
Speaker 1: just been mistaken about the dates that he saw the
Speaker 1: ship could have been another another ship named the Freedom.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's not I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of a weird name, right, but what's not to
Speaker 1: say that? Well, somebody, somebody on read it made a
Speaker 1: really good point about this, and that is that if
Speaker 1: the ship was from Haiti, when when this took place,
Speaker 1: This is not long after Baby d r Vallier and
Speaker 1: his regime fell on. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: Papa Doc and Baby Doc, who were some nasty little
Speaker 1: dictators who ruled Haiti for a long long time and
Speaker 1: they were pretty tyrannical, and so when Baby Doc finally
Speaker 1: got tossed out, it was a happy moment. And this
Speaker 1: guy made the point that, you know, it's not inconceivable
Speaker 1: that a lot of people decided to paint the word
Speaker 1: freedom on the sides of their ships, their cars or whatever.
Speaker 1: And also, course, as you know, English is not the
Speaker 1: first language in Haiti, you know, so that you could
Speaker 1: easily misspell and it's also possible that they spelled it correctly.
Speaker 1: But paint peels and rust flows, well is that too? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and so I don't know, so it
Speaker 1: could have been another freedom, uh freedom, I guess it
Speaker 1: could have been another freedom Oregon the dates, Yeah, freedom
Speaker 1: is good. Or maybe Bob just sort of was maybe
Speaker 1: he massage to facts a little bit, I don't know,
Speaker 1: or may Yeah there's that too, so that yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean, if it wasn't for that, and again the
Speaker 1: people that they want and talked to in Georgetown and
Speaker 1: showed Florian's picture too, well, I've seen in Florida's picture.
Speaker 1: He's he's actually a good looking guy who was a
Speaker 1: good looking guy with long hair and everything. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, he wasn't that remarkable looking. He looked like
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the late eighties with long
Speaker 1: blond hair. Yeah, I mean it was it was a
Speaker 1: good looking guy, but yeah, I could see what you
Speaker 1: could easily look at that face and he looks like
Speaker 1: a lot of other tourists and other people that you've
Speaker 1: run into in the past months. Couple we all do
Speaker 1: and that and that, and let's not forget too that
Speaker 1: these people were remembering something. This was May one, Bob,
Speaker 1: and you know Bob. Yeah, so it's like and that
Speaker 1: was what it was, Paul. So it was May when
Speaker 1: when Paul and Bob went to Georgetown to show these
Speaker 1: pictures around. You have months later and these guys are
Speaker 1: supposedly remembering, yeah I saw this for young guy, I
Speaker 1: don't think so well, or or they're remembering yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen him before in my life. You know, maybe he
Speaker 1: was there. He could have been there months before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it could have been because he's a notorious drunk, or
Speaker 1: he was a jerk, or he could have been there
Speaker 1: years before. And it was just like, yeah, that hair.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you were to ask me, did did
Speaker 1: this event? Did this thing he met this guy? Was
Speaker 1: it four months ago? Was it six months ago? Eight
Speaker 1: months ago? Right? Not? No, I probably wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to give you a total clue on that either. So
Speaker 1: I just have to I just have to sort of
Speaker 1: come in in favor of the ship sank. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: this is not one of these mysteries, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of one of the it's like
Speaker 1: DNA testing. One of these days we will we will
Speaker 1: make the oceans transparent. We'll be able to look down
Speaker 1: at the bottom and see all sorts of crap laying
Speaker 1: down there, and we'll solve a lot of mysteries. If
Speaker 1: we see a wreck surrounded by bicycles, we know we
Speaker 1: found our boat. There you go, bicycles. Haven't you seen
Speaker 1: the pot there's the photo of the boat head on,
Speaker 1: and then there's the photo of the boat being loaded,
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of the crew members. He's loading
Speaker 1: up bicycles. And they made they shot. They did so
Speaker 1: many shots in the Unsolved Mysteries segment of bicycles stacked
Speaker 1: up on the power I feel like I'm totally making
Speaker 1: fun of unsolved mysteries. Yeah, I had no idea, but
Speaker 1: they might find a ton of bicycles down there. I
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Speaker 1: anything more to share? No more ideas. Don't get on
Speaker 1: bats with people you barely know, especially when they're rusty
Speaker 1: little boats. That's probably wise life advice. Yes, petition to
Speaker 1: find out the names of the seven Haitian men who
Speaker 1: went missing, it would be you know, if anybody has
Speaker 1: access to please send it our way. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: could not find it and it actually is very very frustrating.
Speaker 1: This is going to be really frustrating when somebody's like,
Speaker 1: I googled it in fifteen seconds later. But if you do,
Speaker 1: but if you do, please do send it to us,
Speaker 1: because I would like to know that's that. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: we'll do a special episode just on those guys. All right,
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