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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm your host Joe,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by your other host, Devan and the

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Speaker 1: guy in this jour named Steve. Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the third one, the third wheel. Now you're

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Speaker 1: not we're all yeah, we're all equally at the bottles here.

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Speaker 1: It's smelling and I refused to put it on because

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Speaker 1: Joe had it last. Yeah, we're talking about my feet

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Speaker 1: don't stink. Yeah, let's uh, well, this is off to

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Speaker 1: a raging start. What are we doing here today, Joe, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I was going to do a story

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Speaker 1: about garbage collection, and then somebody dropped this one on

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Speaker 1: my desk. Kind of interesting story. So I dropped the

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Speaker 1: garbage one and picked up this one. Alright, alright, its mystery.

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Speaker 1: It turns out it begins in late nine when the

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Speaker 1: freighter freed On set out for Haiti from Miami, Florida. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the island of Haiti, that is, the freed was under

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Speaker 1: the command of Florian meyer Busch, a German guy. It

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Speaker 1: was an a two foot tramp freighter Reggie steered in

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Speaker 1: the Bahamas tramp prader. Uh. Any any sort of tramp

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Speaker 1: ship is like, it's not it's one that doesn't belong

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Speaker 1: of spotloads, so it picks up a spot job to

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Speaker 1: it varies all over the place. And they're called tramp

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Speaker 1: Carribbean waters carrying loads of whatever people want to ship

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Speaker 1: pretty much, and there's something there's some rumors that a

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Speaker 1: which would make kind of sense, kind of desper for

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Speaker 1: they're not there, they really aren't. But they're just doing

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Speaker 1: it actually is possible to carry a totally legit load

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Speaker 1: considered smuggling or just carrying your own supply considered smuggling

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Speaker 1: thisgling no matter what the what you do it for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he did smuggle. But anyway, but back to back

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Speaker 1: to our story, um with frieda on was besides carrying

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Speaker 1: Attractive white lady. Exactly exactly which makes us interested in

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Speaker 1: n She had a boyfriend, Paul Cornwell, who if you

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Speaker 1: At this time, as I said, Lisa was Lisa was

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Speaker 1: and the plan was to sail the ship to go Naive,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure all sorts of weird scenarios once he was had.

424
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: Now this really is true that they were smuggling stuff,

425
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: so especially sensitive contraband, and that that's really kind of

426
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: insane to bring along somebody like Lisa, you know, who's

427
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: just can only be a liability. I mean, unless they're

428
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: smuggling humans. Yeah, he's trying to smuggle her. Oh there's that.

429
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not there. Yeah, we're not quiet. Yeah,

430
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: people are gonna love this episode. Oh but you've got

431
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: to wait to hear more. Yeah, this is actually the

432
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: standard operating procedure for like the eleven o'clock News and

433
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And we've had this conversation. I'm also

434
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a hundred percent sure about the identification of Philip,

435
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: because what it sounds like to me is Paul found

436
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: a photo of black of a black hair dude in

437
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: Florence possessions, shows it to Jane Doe, who says, oh, yeah,

438
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: that's Philip. But how did he know. I mean, this black,

439
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: this black hair dude resembled the person that had been

440
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: that he'd been told about, short and had dark hair. Yeah,

441
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: and but other than that, you know, it's I don't

442
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: think it's a hundred percent for sure that Philip was

443
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: the guy that had been hanging with him in Georgetown

444
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: on Grand Cayman Island. Likely, it's quite possible, but not

445
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: I would give it, give that one percent. And also

446
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: the story got an update recently. It's it could have

447
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: been dancing. Who's dancing? Okay? I don't all right? Yeah,

448
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: uh so this story is not dead though still it was,

449
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, gets chatted about from kind of time on

450
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: on Redd and web Solute, et cetera. But there was

451
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: a recent update from a er whose name is No

452
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: More Anxiety. Is that you Devon? Yeah, it's okay, but

453
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk, Okay, okay, no more but

454
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: No More Anxiety got in contacts somehow with Paul Cornwell,

455
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: and Paul told him a few things. I'll see. He

456
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: tracked down Florida's parents, presumably in Germany, who told him

457
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: that they had not actually heard from him since n Yeah.

458
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Paul also clarified what Jane Doe said about the smuggling thing.

459
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: He said it was really actually mostly conjecture on her part.

460
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. He said he's spoken to the families

461
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: of at least some of the Haitian crew members, and

462
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: those guys have not been heard of since n Lastly,

463
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: Paul told No More Anxiety that there was a siding

464
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: of the Freedom by somebody in the U. S. Navy

465
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: recently like date dat unknown, but apparently some time since

466
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: like two thousand ten, that's a huge time for it

467
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: to disappear and reappear, well, especially something as old and

468
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: crusty and rusty as that thing. You know what I'm saying. Uh, yeah,

469
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna I'm taking that one with the big

470
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: old grant of Also, one person in the US, one

471
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: person in the U. S. Navy, and how, you know,

472
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: how does he find out? I presume some guy contacted

473
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: him and just said, hey, I was in the Navy,

474
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: and he got the gout to saw who knows sent

475
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: him a m Yeah, it could have been probably. Yeah.

476
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: There's also a rumor rocketing around the internet, well not rocketing,

477
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: sort of pottering around the internet, I guess. But there's

478
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: a rumor that the freed On has been renamed the

479
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: Freelion and that is still roaming the high seas. Is

480
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: that like Freedom, Freedom or Freelion that. Yeah, I guess

481
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: they wanted to save money on pain. I guess they

482
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to the entire men, just most of it. Yeah.

483
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: This is again nobody, nobody who republishes this claim ever,

484
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: says it's substantiated at all. Everybody says there it's it's

485
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: maybe the Freelion now, but it's unsubstantiated, so who knows.

486
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: So that's the extent of the story. So Lisa and

487
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: the freed On leave Miami, and nobody has ever seen again,

488
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: including the ship, and people want to know what the

489
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: hell happened? All right too, Yeah, we all want to know,

490
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: So we got to answer that. Next, let's start talking

491
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: about what possibly might have happened to Lisa Florian and

492
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: the freed On and those other seven dudes and the

493
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: other seven dudes. Ready to get into our cool theories

494
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: and there are actually quite a few for this one. Yeah,

495
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: we want to talk about the theories behind why seven

496
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: Paitians and two random other people disappeared. I know what

497
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: it is. You know what it is. It's Mel Gibson.

498
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: Mel Gibson. He realized that this this ship was floating around.

499
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: He was going to screw up the movie that he

500
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: would put out in a couple of years called Braveheart,

501
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: and everybody was going to get confused if he said

502
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: the line wrong, you can't take my freed on, you know,

503
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: the cast and crewer look at him like, what the

504
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: hell are you talking about this time? Now? Oh wait,

505
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: there he took that ship. Yeah, no, that's a little

506
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: known fact that yeah, when when he when he screams

507
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: freedom at the end, originally it was misspelled on the

508
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: screw ripped and he did scream freed on that yeah yeah,

509
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: oh yeah for real? Is okay back to our theories.

510
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: Um well, our first one is the obvious one, of course,

511
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle. It's very close to the Bahamas, so yeah,

512
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: and so they would be kind of like off in

513
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: the westernmost tip of the triangle there. But yeah, they

514
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: could have like sailed enough into it, probably have meet

515
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: some mayhem like interdimensional time work kind of thing. Seems unlikely. Okay,

516
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: well you guys don't want to go one of that

517
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: anymore deeply, No, I really don't want to talk about

518
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: how it was transported back too and sunk by the Germans. Yeah,

519
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: I guess they probably would have fitten that time would

520
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: have like this is definitely a period ship. Yeah, you know,

521
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: they always get transported to right before some cataclysmic historic

522
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: moment right now, showed up on Bikinia toll, Yeah exactly. Yeah,

523
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: that would be great. Yeah, what's that over there? Let's

524
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: going tick tick tick. Yeah, so that is definitely not

525
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: the case. Yeah, okay, so uber me to try and

526
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: go no like Philadelphia experiment. Here, let's get to some

527
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: more real life possibilities. And there are many here, but

528
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: in particular order pirates, which you know is not actually

529
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: the Pirates of the Caribbean wasn't Realian, so therefore it

530
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: must be real. Actually, the crick the Caribbean does have

531
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of pirates. There's not pirates for centuries, and

532
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: there are real ones even today. They're still all there's

533
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: still out there applying their trade. Maybe the Freedom was

534
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: taken at sea the ordes of some other mission. It's

535
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: I I don't know if there was how likely it

536
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: would be that their cargo was that valuable, although maybe

537
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: they could have taken it to some ports somewhere. Yeah,

538
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't did. I can't envision this particular vessel being

539
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: contracted to carry a high value cargo and it just

540
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like a boat that is screaming money.

541
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: So we don't know why. I mean, unless somebody had

542
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: insider info and there was something hidden in that hole

543
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: that we didn't know about. It out there was a

544
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: ton of gold in there. If the pirates wanted it,

545
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: they probably wanted it for some other purpose besides the

546
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: contents of it. They probably wanted it to transport something,

547
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: for example. It also kind of looked like the kind

548
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: of ship that they could get away with just taking

549
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not a high dollar liner

550
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: where the where the people who own it are going

551
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: to come after it. Maybe what was on the ship

552
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: was worthwhile. Maybe what was on the ship wasn't as worthwhile,

553
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: but having a new ship might have been worthwhile. That

554
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: nobody just flies under the radio, that nobody's really going

555
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: to pay attention to you like slap a new coat

556
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: of paint on it. And maybe that it was easier

557
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: to get I mean, you know, maybe it was less staffed,

558
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: maybe the less defensible. Maybe certainly that certainly a ship

559
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: like this is not gonna be able to afford to,

560
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: like you hire a team of blackwater operatives to you know,

561
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: like stand on deck with machine against through a pell boarders.

562
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: And it really did not look like the sort of

563
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: thing that anybody would have missed. Yeah. True, if that

564
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: white girl hadn't been on that ship, we probably would

565
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: have never never heard about it. No, absolutely not. Yeah,

566
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: nobody would have even looked for it probably, Yeah, No,

567
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just that she was white. Also, it's

568
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: because of her family and her her boyfriend made a

569
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: stink too. That made a difference too. But you know,

570
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, but ships do disappear all the time,

571
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: whether it's natural causes or piracy. It could have been

572
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: taken the high seas. They could have just boarded the

573
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: ship at the dock, which happens a lot to piracy

574
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: is not just all you know, like well, but I

575
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, it's not as if it left

576
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: the dock on its own. It had to be pulled

577
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: by the dog. It was taken by a tug. But

578
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still there's no reason you can't like

579
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: board the ship and just say hey, nice ship, can

580
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: I have a look around? And then you pull out

581
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: your revolver and say, okay, we'll keep running with us. Yeah,

582
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: sorry for the cheesy foreign accent there. And that would

583
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: account for the freedom being seen elsewhere, you know, even

584
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: after it had been presumed lost, because it didn't, you know,

585
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: because it's new owners. Yeah, they still hadn't gotten around

586
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: to abandoning and scuttling at whatever they finally did with it.

587
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: I sent with something like that, especially when the word

588
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: got out that it was being looked for. You might

589
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: think it's time to find yourself a new ride, or

590
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: you might or paint a new name on about you.

591
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: You might just go further south or yeah, you could

592
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: do that too. You could just head on South America

593
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: or something, or across the pond or across the pond.

594
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think this boat would have made it.

595
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: It probably would have made it. People that human beings

596
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: have been crossing bigger distances on crappier craft for a

597
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: long time, But I don't think. I don't think I

598
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: would want to chance it. Yeah, I don't really think

599
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: this thing could make it. So let's keep moving. Yeah. Well,

600
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: another possibility is just a more natural one, which is

601
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: had just natural causes. It sank like there was a storm,

602
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: for example. Uh, there's also the possibility that so it

603
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: might maybe it wasn't. Even although it sprang a leak.

604
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like it probably would have taken a little

605
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: bit longer to sink than to say it wuld have

606
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: been a storm. Yeah, because there that was the other thing, right,

607
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: is there weren't There was never ever distressed, a stress

608
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: call or anything like that. There was no distress call,

609
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: but you never know. I mean, it might be that

610
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: the radio wasn't working. I mean, obviously this is the

611
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: best maintained well. It also could be a situation where

612
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: the leak snuck up on them. If the hold is

613
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: full of junk, nobody's probably heading down there. Remember I

614
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: told you when I was on that trip, my last trip,

615
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: and we were on a boat and I couldn't figure

616
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: out why we kept getting slower and slower on the

617
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: way home. And then I looked down and I realized

618
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: the hold was completely full of water because the ding

619
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: dong had never turned the bilge pump on. That does happen,

620
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: so you oh, it'll be fine, and then you're you're

621
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: slowing down overnight, you don't really notice, and the next

622
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: thing you know, the deck is at the same level

623
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: as the ocean around. I. I have actually been in

624
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: a boat or two where that it's situation has occurred also,

625
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: but then we never got that far. And the one

626
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: thing I will mention is having been in those some

627
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: of those exact same waters at you know that time

628
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: of year, it is not a nice time to be

629
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: on the sea. That is, it is the time where

630
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: it can get It isn't always, but it can get

631
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: really rough, and I imagine it's very changeable, very quickly. Yeah,

632
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: and you know there will be times where you're just like,

633
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: well that I'm not going out on the deck today

634
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: because that wave just crashed right up. Okay, guess we're

635
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: staying at sea today. Yeah, I mean it can be

636
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: and if you've got cargo that maybe wasn't secured properly,

637
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: or if it was top heavy like Steve was and overloaded,

638
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: if it was crappy, you know, you get one good

639
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, or even just a big wave, not even

640
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: big wave, or just a quick little back and forth,

641
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: two or three of those will just have you right

642
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: over pretty quick. Your cargo shifts and stuff. But yeah,

643
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I know that one of the statements of Coastguard made

644
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: it was relating to the weather and just how the

645
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: weather is changeable out there. So they seem to have

646
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: no trouble at all, the Coastguard, that is accepting the

647
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: idea that the boat just sank right. But on the

648
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: other hand, that then we got Bob and Iberg saying

649
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: you saw the ship in Georgetown, Harvard just a couple

650
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: of weeks later, but he came forward months later. Yeah,

651
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: so entirely possibly he may have seen this ship, but

652
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: he's got the dates wrong in his head. Yeah, that's possible.

653
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. See, I don't know exactly. For example,

654
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: when he was in Georgetown Harbor, maybe he was working

655
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: there as as an underwater salvage diver, and so it

656
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: may be that he was contracted to do a job

657
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: and like the know, the first two or three weeks

658
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: of January, and so maybe that's how he knew that

659
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: he had seen it after it was supposedly lost. Maybe

660
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't know well either or it could be like

661
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: you said, misremembering. I don't know well either way, the

662
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: place that he says he saw the ship was five

663
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: hundred miles away from where that ship should have been anyway, right,

664
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: So that's a mystery on top of that, even if

665
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: it did sink, Yeah, and he had the dates wrong,

666
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: why so why was it five hundred miles away from

667
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: where it should have been? Well, it was. It was

668
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: a tramp tramp parator. So it's entirely possible, say they

669
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: picked up a cargo in Haiti that was to be

670
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: transported to the Cayman Ellen and so you know it's

671
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: not But again it's this, it does sort of like

672
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: put a crimp in the hole. It sank. Theory sank

673
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: sank of the storm. I would agree with that. Yeah,

674
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: so so damn him. Yeah, I know so. But on

675
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: the other hand, maybe maybe Florida and meyer Busch learned

676
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: that people were searching for Lisa and decided to move

677
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: a ship in his business set to South America or

678
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: Africa or something. Yeah, and that's why the ship was

679
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: never seen Again, I don't know. Well, let's go, let's

680
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: go into our next year. We'll try to like make

681
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: this all coherent by the end, because I know it's

682
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: getting complicated here, right really not really, Well, let's move

683
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: on to our next possible theory here, which is it

684
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: Lisa and Florian fell in love and they decided to

685
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: run off and started new life together. Yeah. Yeah, totally

686
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: discredit air disregarding the seven other crew people. But yeah, sorry, sorry, guys,

687
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: we're in the love and we're gonna need to kill you.

688
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: We're secured relationship by murdering seven and is in people.

689
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: It brings us together. You know, I don't feel that

690
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: bad about it because, frankly, I don't even know your names. Yeah,

691
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: you're extras in our little drama. That would be pretty awful. Yeah, yeah,

692
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: it would be. But but still, I find this one

693
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: hard to believe. I mean, this one has actually been

694
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: suggested by other people, not just me, so that's why

695
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it up. And it also seems like you

696
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: don't let your family think you're dead. No, you don't

697
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: like your family suffer like that. You know. Of course,

698
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: maybe she was embarrassed, you know, because she had told

699
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: her boyfriend like, oh, nothing's gonna happen, Everything's gonna be fine.

700
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: And then she didn't have to contact your boyfriend. Yeah,

701
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: that's a good point. She could have just said to

702
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: the parents. He could have just sent them all's over

703
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, call him from Haiti and say, hey,

704
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: just wanted to let you know that I actually ran off. Yeah,

705
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: never coming back. But I love you guys, because you've

706
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: got a horrible mustache and terrible hair and I just

707
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: can't take that. I can't handle that mullet or whatever

708
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: it is it mullet, Yeah, it was, yeah, telling you

709
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: just call a parents man, write him a letter for

710
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: God's sake something. Yeah. So I'm not not buying that

711
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: theory at all. So let's cross that one off the list.

712
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: All right, okay, all right, next, sorry, this is a

713
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: little more nasty. And what if the captain and crew

714
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: of the Freedom, like say, raped and murdered Lisa and

715
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: then just threw it to the sharks. Yeah yeah, isn't

716
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: that very similar to the the guy with the sub

717
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: recently and the reporter that he disappeared her overboard after

718
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: some they suspect some sexual encounter went wrong. Yeah, and

719
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: I can't think of their name. I can't again either,

720
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, he was. He was the mad inventor genius guy.

721
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: And I love when they're mad and genius all at

722
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: the same time. Yea, So it's a similar situation. Yeah, again,

723
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: and he kept changing his story and then he had

724
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: to like, you know, carve her body up into a

725
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: couple of pieces and throw it to the sharks, you know,

726
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So maybe this was yeah, well

727
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, but anyway, this this theory is actually a

728
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: more believable theory than Lisa arrives in Haiti safe and sound.

729
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: But but it still doesn't explain the seven crew members. No,

730
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: that's it. You know. If they had done that, well

731
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: maybe maybe after they murdered her, they murdered each other

732
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: and see each other overboard. I don't know. This does not.

733
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: This doesn't really account for the missing crewman. It did.

734
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: It actually does not. This holds as much water as

735
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: that boat did. Yeah, okay, maybe not. Wait, you don't

736
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: want your boat to hold water. That's actually you do

737
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: want your boat to hold water. You want your boat

738
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: to hold water out. Yeah, it was holding it in anyway,

739
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: just like me. Right now, hurry up, we gotta get

740
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Okay, alright, let's talk about Okay, our

741
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: next theory, Lisa was sold to slavery, another popular theory

742
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: on the internet. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of I

743
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: want to say, over use of the theory of human trafficking. Yeah,

744
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't. It certainly happens, and I think it happens

745
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: a lot more than anybody wants to admit. But I

746
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: don't think it happens as much as it's speculated. Well,

747
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: the problem is is like when it comes to things like,

748
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, finding women that want to go into that

749
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: particular trade, there never seems to be a shortage of them.

750
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: You know, you don't really need to go kidnapping people,

751
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: and but you do. I think you often you do.

752
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: I was I was gonna say, so, be careful treading

753
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: down that path, Joe. There's sex a lot. There are

754
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: people who go into the trade of being a sex worker.

755
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: And if you who don't call no, I get, I

756
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, But no doubt there is some

757
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: coersion involved in that trade and everything, but probably not

758
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: as much as and definitely when it comes to women

759
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: like Lisa or young and pretty. That whole theory is

760
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: what's say, it's it's It really is very titillating to

761
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah, like I said often over

762
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you topic, Yeah, it sure does. And the only I

763
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: guess the only way that I could really see that

764
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: happening is if he you know, they was they were

765
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: actually smuggling, and they were actually smuggling humans, and that

766
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: they had already had some sort of set up in place,

767
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: and maybe this was something that they did a lot,

768
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: but it still would not explain the missing crew. Ye,

769
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: unless the hold was already full of human cargo and

770
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: they stuffed Lisa down there and when they got to

771
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: the port of call, he said, hey, there's a bonus

772
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm throwing in these guys. Yeah, I mean, that's the

773
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: only way that honestly that's true. Yeah, that's a good point.

774
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: But then what happened to him? But yeah, he got

775
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: himself a new crew and went to the Grand cap

776
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: So that was I guess. The other thing is it

777
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of seemed to me and maybe you guys got

778
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: a different impression, but it kind of seemed to me

779
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: that the Haitian crew that he had was his crew

780
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: for a while. It sounds were at least for a while,

781
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: they weren't just one off contract people. So that would

782
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: be a like an extra horrendous thing. They would be

783
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: kind of hate. Yea, yeah, I h well, it's it's possible,

784
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: you know. I could see a scenario where they're going

785
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: to smuggle all these all these people and then and

786
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: then here comes Lisa's thing saying, oh hey, I'd so

787
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: love to go along to Haiti. I just don't want

788
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: to go to Haiti. And he's like, oh, this is cool.

789
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: It's just has just dropped into my lap, you know.

790
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: And so and so invites her long figures and I'll

791
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: get a few extra bucks, and so they go do

792
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: their deal. Then he and the crew take off. There's

793
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: a Grand Cayman and then sink of the storm. Yeah,

794
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: that's getting complicated. Yeah, and you think they visit their

795
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: family when they got you would think they would have

796
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: stopped and said high. Yeah. Well, I mean, it isn't

797
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: it possible that they weren't actually going to Haiti? Because

798
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: that possibility, I'm sorry, I'm thinking I'm treading on a

799
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: upcoming theory. It could be we don't know that, we

800
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: don't know that they actually he could have lied to her,

801
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: especially if the way that this came about was she said,

802
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, I would really love to go to Haiti

803
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: to write a story. Oh I'm going to Haiti exactly. Yeah,

804
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: and that's a sleep very true. I've had that thought

805
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: of the Again, we had the problem with the crew

806
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: members families expecting them to show up and they didn't

807
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: show and so that's that's kind of the whole problem

808
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: with you know, if he was a human trafficker or

809
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: was looking for people to abduct, it would also also

810
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: help explain why he was in Atlanta instead of Miami.

811
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: And it could also well, okay, so we could actually

812
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: explain why they all disappeared because they may have met

813
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: to their buyer and something went wrong and the cargo

814
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: was transferred and he and his crew were killed because

815
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: they didn't deliver, or they were jerks about it, or

816
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: they asked for more money, or they did something that

817
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: made the bad guys mad. Because despared, they got to

818
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: hook up with the bad guys with their human cargo.

819
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: And I'm in as to them. Their their their engine system.

820
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: Like sprung a carbon monoxide. He can gas everybody down

821
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: in the hall. Everybody's dead. You're dead, now what you

822
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: mean everybody's dead? Well, I guess I'll take all of

823
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: you instead. Well see, And this is exactly why people

824
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: trot out this theory all the time of human trafficking

825
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: or sex slavery or anything like that. I think, because

826
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: it's so easy to just be like, it's exciting and

827
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's very dramatic and all that stuff.

828
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: And but I agree, I don't think any of it

829
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: really satisfactorily explains the mission mistination. Yeah so yeah, well okay,

830
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: so so much for the soul into slavery theory. All right,

831
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: let's work on our next theory here, which is that

832
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: maybe at least a bishop made it to Haiti, but

833
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: she met a bad end in an unrelated incident. Right,

834
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: me's a serial killer? Well, I mean it's not as

835
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: if even today it's not a rough and tumble It

836
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: was not a rough and tumble place. I mean, accidents happened,

837
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: it's not an overly Also, it doesn't really sound like

838
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: she planned this trip out very well. You know. She

839
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: kind of just was like, I don't know, I've I've

840
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: had a pretty easy life. Let's go see what not

841
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: easy life. You know, packed a backpack with her little

842
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: clipboard and went down there and was like, I'm going

843
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: to write about poor people. The first first poor person

844
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: she sees, who maybe is like, you know, a really

845
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: horrible serial killer or something, and says, Hi, I'm from America.

846
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm writing a story on impoverished people. Would you like

847
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: talk to me? And the person goes, yeah, I actually

848
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: have a place where we can do the interview, and

849
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: she goes, okay, that sounds great. What I really really

850
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: wish everybody who's listening right now could have seen was

851
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: Devin holding out her script like it was a clipboard

852
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: with an imaginary pen in front of him, writing out

853
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: as she was questions. I mean, I don't mean to

854
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: paint her as like a yeah, but everything I've heard

855
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: actually she was. She was a smart girl. But yeah,

856
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: but you can. But she put herself in maybe not

857
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: the best situation by just getting on that ship, and

858
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think so her judgment could have been

859
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: a little better. Um, you could have made a bad decision,

860
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: she could have it could have been totally fine. We

861
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: could be smirching the captain what's his name? Yeah, I

862
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: mean Floria has attracted a lot of suspicion obviously, could

863
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: be totally be smirching him. He could have could totally

864
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: be innocent of everything taking her down there she walked

865
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: off the ship and on her way to the pay

866
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: phone and did something stupid or just maybe she did

867
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: everything right and cross paths with the wrong person, you know.

868
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's there's that too, you know. But but

869
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: then again that's that's there's still a problem with that,

870
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: which is, of course the crew members in the ship

871
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: didn't show up either, haiti. Um, yeah, that's the big

872
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: problem in just about every theory that that's a problem. Yeah.

873
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: So these these all these theories that have been put

874
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: forth have been put forth by people other than me,

875
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: really pretty much, So what really happened? Of course, as

876
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: as Devin mentioned, do we really know that the ship

877
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: was headed to Haiti to begin with, well said, you

878
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: know their crew? Yeah, do we really know? Do we

879
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: really know, for that matter, that Lisa actually got on

880
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: board the ship. We don't know that actually had to

881
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: percent for sure, because nobody out't. I don't think your

882
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: family and boyfriend actually went down to Miami to see

883
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: them off with the docks. She did say that she,

884
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: I mean, there is the whole she called. She called

885
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: the morning of her departure. Yeah, right, But did she

886
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: call from the dock? I don't think so, Okay, I

887
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: mean I don't know, and she could have called from

888
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: like a pay phone at the docks. That's what I

889
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: was wondering about, is if it was just from her

890
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: apartment or a hotel room, or if it was from

891
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: the dock before she got on board. It's never clear

892
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: to me. That's why I'm asking this question. Now. We

893
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: don't know. That's that is a good question. Um, But

894
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: she did call sometime, And of course I've actually heard

895
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: too that they actually didn't actually leave the dock until

896
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: like two in the afternoon that day. So between the

897
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: phone call and actually leaving the dock, there was plenty

898
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: of time for Lisa to knocket on that boat, wander

899
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: off and wander off and get run over, maybe being

900
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: a serial killer over here in Miami, fall into the

901
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: mouth of an alligator. Yeah, there's a lot of them there. Yeah,

902
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: and so we don't really know, but I assume she

903
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: did get on the ship. All I'm saying. All I

904
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: am saying is that we can't assume a hundred percent here. Yeah,

905
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, there's other either. I answer your questions too.

906
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: We've talked about that. What the hell is Florian doing

907
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: hanging out in Atlanta anyway? If he's trade was doctor

908
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: in Miami. As far as Lisa goes, did she meet

909
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: a bad end? Absolutely, I have no doubt about him.

910
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: Whether it was drowning or kidnapping or but whatever happened

911
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: to her, unfortunately it was not good because I'm not

912
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: buying the hole she ran off with Florian or she

913
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: just decided to disappear and start a new life on Haiti,

914
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, moving with the peasantry on Haiti. I don't

915
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: think that happened. I don't think so, you know, I

916
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, she met a bad end. I think

917
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: those seven Haitians whose names we don't know, probably yeah,

918
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: they probably all I think unfortunately the ships sank um.

919
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: The whole thing that happened with Grant Cayman and what's

920
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: his name, um, Bob Nyberg. I there's all sorts of

921
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: possibilities there, Like, like you guys said, he might have

922
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: just been mistaken about the dates that he saw the

923
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: ship could have been another another ship named the Freedom.

924
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's not I mean, it's it's

925
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of a weird name, right, but what's not to

926
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: say that? Well, somebody, somebody on read it made a

927
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: really good point about this, and that is that if

928
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: the ship was from Haiti, when when this took place,

929
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: This is not long after Baby d r Vallier and

930
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: his regime fell on. I don't know if you remember

931
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: Papa Doc and Baby Doc, who were some nasty little

932
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: dictators who ruled Haiti for a long long time and

933
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: they were pretty tyrannical, and so when Baby Doc finally

934
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: got tossed out, it was a happy moment. And this

935
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: guy made the point that, you know, it's not inconceivable

936
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: that a lot of people decided to paint the word

937
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: freedom on the sides of their ships, their cars or whatever.

938
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: And also, course, as you know, English is not the

939
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: first language in Haiti, you know, so that you could

940
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: easily misspell and it's also possible that they spelled it correctly.

941
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: But paint peels and rust flows, well is that too? Yeah,

942
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and so I don't know, so it

943
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: could have been another freedom, uh freedom, I guess it

944
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: could have been another freedom Oregon the dates, Yeah, freedom

945
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: is good. Or maybe Bob just sort of was maybe

946
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: he massage to facts a little bit, I don't know,

947
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: or may Yeah there's that too, so that yeah, but

948
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if it wasn't for that, and again the

949
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: people that they want and talked to in Georgetown and

950
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: showed Florian's picture too, well, I've seen in Florida's picture.

951
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: He's he's actually a good looking guy who was a

952
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: good looking guy with long hair and everything. But I

953
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: don't know, he wasn't that remarkable looking. He looked like

954
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the late eighties with long

955
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: blond hair. Yeah, I mean it was it was a

956
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: good looking guy, but yeah, I could see what you

957
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: could easily look at that face and he looks like

958
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: a lot of other tourists and other people that you've

959
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: run into in the past months. Couple we all do

960
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: and that and that, and let's not forget too that

961
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: these people were remembering something. This was May one, Bob,

962
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: and you know Bob. Yeah, so it's like and that

963
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: was what it was, Paul. So it was May when

964
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: when Paul and Bob went to Georgetown to show these

965
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: pictures around. You have months later and these guys are

966
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: supposedly remembering, yeah I saw this for young guy, I

967
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: don't think so well, or or they're remembering yeah, I've

968
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: seen him before in my life. You know, maybe he

969
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: was there. He could have been there months before. Yeah,

970
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: it could have been because he's a notorious drunk, or

971
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: he was a jerk, or he could have been there

972
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: years before. And it was just like, yeah, that hair.

973
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you were to ask me, did did

974
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: this event? Did this thing he met this guy? Was

975
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: it four months ago? Was it six months ago? Eight

976
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: months ago? Right? Not? No, I probably wouldn't be able

977
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: to give you a total clue on that either. So

978
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: I just have to I just have to sort of

979
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: come in in favor of the ship sank. Yeah, and uh,

980
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: this is not one of these mysteries, you know, it's

981
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of one of the it's like

982
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: DNA testing. One of these days we will we will

983
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: make the oceans transparent. We'll be able to look down

984
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: at the bottom and see all sorts of crap laying

985
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: down there, and we'll solve a lot of mysteries. If

986
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: we see a wreck surrounded by bicycles, we know we

987
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: found our boat. There you go, bicycles. Haven't you seen

988
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: the pot there's the photo of the boat head on,

989
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: and then there's the photo of the boat being loaded,

990
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of the crew members. He's loading

991
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: up bicycles. And they made they shot. They did so

992
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: many shots in the Unsolved Mysteries segment of bicycles stacked

993
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: up on the power I feel like I'm totally making

994
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: fun of unsolved mysteries. Yeah, I had no idea, but

995
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: they might find a ton of bicycles down there. I

996
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: don't know. All right. Uh So that's about it. Next

997
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,480
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998
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1028
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1029
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1033
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,719
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1034
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: anything more to share? No more ideas. Don't get on

1035
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: bats with people you barely know, especially when they're rusty

1036
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: little boats. That's probably wise life advice. Yes, petition to

1037
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: find out the names of the seven Haitian men who

1038
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: went missing, it would be you know, if anybody has

1039
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: access to please send it our way. Yeah, because I

1040
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: could not find it and it actually is very very frustrating.

1041
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: This is going to be really frustrating when somebody's like,

1042
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: I googled it in fifteen seconds later. But if you do,

1043
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: but if you do, please do send it to us,

1044
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: because I would like to know that's that. Yeah, well

1045
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: we'll do a special episode just on those guys. All right,

1046
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: see you guys next week. By everybody,