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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Tuesday edition of One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: as we're coming to you from the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: Day two of our coverage, which is presented by Ticketmaster

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Speaker 2: Scouting Combine. Ticketmaster the official ticketing partner of the NFL

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Speaker 2: and the Buffalo Bills. And right off the rip, we

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Speaker 2: have some breaking.

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Speaker 1: News for you.

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Speaker 2: It is official, now confirmed by the Buffalo Bills. Khalil

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Speaker 2: Shakir has been signed to a four year contract extension

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Speaker 2: through the twenty twenty nine season, worth a reported sixty

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Speaker 2: million dollars, thirty two of which has reportedly been guaranteed

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Speaker 2: at signing. He will get eighteen million in the first

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Speaker 2: twelve months of the deal. That according to NFL Networks

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Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport and ESPN's Adam Schefter, among others.

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Speaker 3: That's the the numbers that we know so far.

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Speaker 2: Will get the full layout of the contract, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: in the coming days, but a big piece of Buffalo's

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Speaker 2: young core is now locked up long term steal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's the first domino that went down. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. You know, we have Brandon Bean on the

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Speaker 1: show today. He'll talk to him about, you know, how

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Speaker 1: the cap and compliance with the cap is going, and

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Speaker 1: obviously this has to fit underneath it. And yeah, we

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Speaker 1: you and I suspected one of a shortlist of guys

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Speaker 1: also that the other guys like Rousseau, like Benford, like Bernard,

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Speaker 1: we thought Khalil might be one of those guys in

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Speaker 1: But here we are. You and I a bo I

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Speaker 1: think we're both in field. This was an absolute no brainer.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're asking what members of the young

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Speaker 2: an extension this year before their contracts even up. Shakira

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Speaker 2: is on that list, along with James Cook, along with

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Speaker 3: You have some wiggle room.

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Speaker 2: With a fifty year option, but I would think he

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Speaker 2: this football team. And then obviously Josh his contract's going

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Speaker 2: to have to be addressed here in the near future

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Speaker 3: So that's good news.

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Speaker 2: And as Steve said, we anticipate having GM Brandon Bean

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Speaker 2: some point as soon as he breaks free from his

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Speaker 2: responsibilities and duties here at the Combine, we'll get him on.

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Speaker 2: It's a jam packed show from front to back. We're

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Speaker 2: also gonna have NFL Networks Daniel Jeremiah joining us here

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Speaker 2: as some corner and safety prospects and get his thumbnail

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Speaker 2: the show will have head coach Sean McDermott with us.

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Speaker 2: In about an hour and a half from now, we'll

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Speaker 2: get coach McDermott on with us and check in with

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Speaker 2: earning all of that, and Coach McDermott addressed the Western

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Speaker 2: You know, he's only about six three, so he's not

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Speaker 1: But you know, we saw the same thing with aj Epanessa.

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Speaker 2: Lean muscle mass is what he's got. It's it's a

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Speaker 2: Coach McDermott also addressed ke on Coleman's rookie season a

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Speaker 2: In the offense, he was kind of comparing and contrasting.

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Speaker 2: You know how rookie seasons go. Some people come out

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Speaker 1: Here, everybody's different, you know, everybody's and we have we

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Speaker 1: Stroud, a bad first year, and then a boost and

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Speaker 2: Coach McDermott also had some comments on what the competition

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because this team does it really well. Right, And

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Speaker 2: Yeah, As we said, we'll have more with coach McDermott

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Speaker 3: At two thirty Eastern.

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Speaker 2: It's about an hour and a half from now as

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the NFL presented by Kalida Healthy, official

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Speaker 2: Chiefs GM Brett Veach just told the media that Travis

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Speaker 1: That wears, and in a game like football, he saw it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have Dan Jeremiah on later in the show.

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Speaker 2: Giants GM Joe Shane, Drake May That's what I was

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Speaker 2: He did dodge a question this morning on Matthew Stafford's availability.

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Speaker 1: It's not allowed to answer it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Commanders have had trade conversations about Pro Bowl defensive

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Speaker 2: Falcons GM Terry Fontano indicated quarterback Kirk Cousins is going

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Speaker 2: doesn't look like this is going to reach a quick resolution.

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Speaker 2: And it comes from it stems from his contract. It's

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Speaker 3: For him as well, because it looked good. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: That's right. Now here's the thing too, you can throw

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Speaker 3: And there in life problems and.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem. So you can if Pennix comes in

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Speaker 2: surgery to repair ligament damage in that risk. He's expected

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Speaker 2: Well, no, right tackle Austin Jackson's just signed an extension,

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Speaker 2: perform at his pro day, and finally, in mel Kiper's

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Speaker 3: Baron.

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Speaker 2: Baron was a versatile chess piece for the Longhorns. He

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good pick.

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Speaker 1: But I have been hitting on that a lot and

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Speaker 2: more edge rushers than they do defensive tackles in like

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Speaker 3: Right, that's where the other things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where we're at now before free agency. When

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Speaker 2: The thing that encourages me is Daniel Jeremiah and his

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Speaker 2: there were a large number of prospects in this class

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Speaker 1: Safety talent too. They're gonna have to start a new safety. Well,

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Speaker 3: What are you doing? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, but that yeah, they their defense is

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Speaker 1: as in a depleted estate as it was last year

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Speaker 1: in a rebuilding year, just the way it worked out

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Speaker 1: this year, and of course they had some had a

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Speaker 1: really successful season doing it the way they did it

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Speaker 1: last year. But running it back in this case means

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Speaker 1: every thing, but running it back because you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: an entirely new roster.

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Speaker 2: What do you at first blush? What is your take

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Speaker 2: on the Shakir extension? Because it's a guy that's not

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Speaker 2: breaking the bank in terms of average annual value.

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Speaker 3: It's only going to come out to about fifteen a year.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Is he a Jamar Chase level receiver? No, he's not,

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Speaker 2: but he's probably the most dependable receiver on this roster,

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Speaker 2: and I think they tried to find some happy middle ground,

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Speaker 2: to find that sweet spot.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I like it. It's for a

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Speaker 1: guy like Shakir And we've talked, we've seen him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how grounded he is and how low key he is

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Speaker 1: in the media and when he talks to the media,

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Speaker 1: he's just so comfortable in his own skin. But he's

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Speaker 1: also a guy who has consistently, without failed, done exactly

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Speaker 1: what Josh Allen did in the development of his own career.

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Speaker 1: You could see him getting better every at every juncture

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Speaker 1: of his career. Rookie season, he kind of fled a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Finally at the end of the season, came in,

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Speaker 1: picked right up where he left off, and by the

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Speaker 1: end of the season he was He was a great

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Speaker 1: slot receiver and a big important target for this offense,

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Speaker 1: an offense that set a franchise record and led the

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Speaker 1: National Football League through the regular season in postseason in scoring.

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Speaker 1: He was a big part of it. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that Bill say, you know what, this is the

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Speaker 1: guy that's getting better and continues to get better and

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Speaker 1: works at getting better. Let's tie him up now for

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Speaker 1: you know, all the way till twenty twenty nine and

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Speaker 1: hope that he can continue to do that because by

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Speaker 1: the end of his contract, it'll look like an absolute steal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was clear and we understand why that

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Speaker 2: Shakir was the guy that Josh felt most comfortable throwing

478
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Speaker 2: too in a tight spot, got to have it down.

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Speaker 2: It was Shakir that he depended upon more than anyone else.

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Speaker 3: And let's not forget this end of year two. Last year.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching and calling the Pittsburgh playoff game in Buffalo

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Speaker 2: in the wild Card round last year, and between the

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Speaker 2: first half and the second half, the Steelers defense shifted

484
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Speaker 2: all of their attention from Stefan Diggs in the first

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Speaker 2: half to Khalil Shakir in the second half, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, wow, Like that's some major respect there.

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Speaker 3: And he still scored a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: He he catches everything that's his. That's his one true

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Speaker 1: super high. His elite trait is that when Josh throws

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Speaker 1: him the football, it doesn't hit the ground ever. And

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Speaker 1: unless Josh messes the throw up, that's how steady and

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Speaker 1: dependably is. Quarterbacks absolutely love guys like that. I've told

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Speaker 1: you a ton I've listened to and talked to quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that we're talking to each other, teammates, competitors talking to

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Speaker 1: having those conversations, and all they talk about is, Listen,

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Speaker 1: I threw this guy. I learned to trust him in practice,

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Speaker 1: and I I won't throw it to anybody else in

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Speaker 1: a tight spot. They they think like that, And Chakir

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Speaker 1: absolutely got to that point. With Josh Allen, I.

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Speaker 2: Think he was also in the top ten in the league,

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Speaker 2: maybe the top five in yards after the catch this season.

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Speaker 2: He had almost six hundred and fifty yards after the

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Speaker 2: catch and he was in the top three to five.

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Speaker 2: He was on almost the entire season.

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Speaker 1: He could have he could he almost led the league.

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Speaker 1: He was leading the league for a hot minute. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was right there at the top. And one week

508
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: he'd get it. The next week somebody else would take it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think Jamar Chase did it. But

510
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Speaker 1: that's it. I mean that he was. That's you know,

511
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Speaker 1: he's at the top two or three guys four guys

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Speaker 1: in the league run after catch, and he's got as

513
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Speaker 1: high a catch ratio as anybody in the league. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a really good recipe for an extension.

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Speaker 2: So that's around the NFL presented by Colta Healthy, official

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Speaker 2: healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills got some AFC East

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Speaker 2: flavor here today with all the other gms and coaches

518
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Speaker 2: from the division addressing the media today after coach went yesterday.

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00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean also a schedule to address the media this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have him here on our show at

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Speaker 2: some point here in the first hour, so we look

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Speaker 2: forward to catching up with him to discuss this Shakir extension,

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Speaker 2: among other things on the to do list. I'm very

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Speaker 2: curious to see what his thoughts were once he saw

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Speaker 2: that the cap was going to be somewhere between two

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Speaker 2: seventy seven and a half and two eighty one and

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Speaker 2: a half, he had to be happy about that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing. It's not an advantage for anybody.

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00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: It's because everybody's got because everybody's everybody's gets the boost. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: it gives it gives relief, makes the task easier. It

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Speaker 1: gives relief to some teams, and it gives extra cash

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Speaker 1: to others. You know, it just gives them more room

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00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: to others. So it's all the it's all it comes

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00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: out in the wash. But yet it certainly should make

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Speaker 1: it easier. But like I said, you start signing guys

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Speaker 1: under the new money and it's gone just like the

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00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: old money. So that good feeling you get, it's just

538
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: like when you spend your last you spend your last money,

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00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, well shoot, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I know we feel it and we're not in

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Speaker 2: nearly the chair of responsibility that GM Brandon Bean is.

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Speaker 2: But you come back from the end of this combine

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Speaker 2: on Monday or Tuesday. You're ten days out from free agency,

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Speaker 2: which you know the legal tampering period begins on the tenth.

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Speaker 2: I mean Monday's the third. You're a week out, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: from calling Pepe.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Yeah, but yeah, that's why they have

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Speaker 1: pro personnel, well college personnel departments, and the pro guys

549
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Speaker 1: aren't probably may not even be here. Some of them

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Speaker 1: might be just to kind of look at it, but

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Speaker 1: the pro personnel guys do nothing but look at NFL

552
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Speaker 1: players and pro leagues guys, they're already playing for money,

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Speaker 1: so they don't need to get messed up in the

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Speaker 1: draft classes. So they'll be they you know, they're not

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00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: laying down wait until list gets over before they start

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Speaker 1: on it. But you're right, time's done, time to start

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Speaker 1: getting your phone list compiled.

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Speaker 2: And that's the other thing with the Shakir extension that's

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Speaker 2: so interesting. They don't have to worry about being CAP

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Speaker 2: compliant right now. So they're trying to sign Shakir to

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Speaker 2: an extension with appropriate figures for the bills. And that

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Speaker 2: works for Shakir and his camp. But now they have

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Speaker 2: hard and fast numbers on an extension for him, they

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Speaker 2: can roll that into their whole plan for becoming CAP compliant. Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're committed to this money this year for Khalil.

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Speaker 3: Where are we going.

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Speaker 2: To have to scrimp and save to get CAP compliant now?

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Speaker 2: Because they're already over before that extension.

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Speaker 1: I don't anticipate the finger quotes, the blood letting that

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Speaker 1: they had last year. Yeah, but it might might happen.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to make a few cap cuts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think you have to take a machete

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Speaker 2: to the roster, but it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 3: You've got to make some tough decisions.

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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be too difficult to kind of work your

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Speaker 2: way around that without doing that, at least to some degree.

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Speaker 2: We hope to get more clarity on that when we return.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere in the first hour here, we're going to catch

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Speaker 2: up with Bill's GM Brandon Bean, but we're gonna break

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Speaker 2: for an how come back with more coverage here live

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Speaker 2: at the NFL Combine on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 2: Cold of Health.

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Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right, welcome back to.

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live here on a Tuesday, comingy live from

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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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Speaker 2: and joined by Bill's General Manager Brandon Bean. And we

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Speaker 2: want to remind you Ticketmaster is the title sponsor of

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Speaker 2: this year's NFL Scouting Combine coverage. Ticketmaster is the official

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Speaker 2: ticketing partner of the NFL and the Buffalo Bills. Brandon,

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Speaker 2: thanks for making some time. As always, we appreciate the

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Speaker 2: annual visit we get here with you in Indy, and

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Speaker 2: you got some good news to share with everybody. Khalil

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Speaker 2: Shakir is under contract through twenty twenty nine. How quick

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Speaker 2: did that come together?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we're thrilled to you know, it's

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Speaker 5: not pen to paper yet, but we're thrilled to come

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Speaker 5: to an agreement here just you know, a couple.

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Speaker 4: Hours ago, and I know that that news just broke.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Khalil, as you guys know, is just what

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Speaker 5: a pro, done everything exactly the right way. And he's

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Speaker 5: one of those guys he doesn't say much. He just

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Speaker 5: lets his place speak for itself and a highly respected

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Speaker 5: guy in our locker room. And that's what you wanted

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Speaker 5: to want to reward the guys that are like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Khalil that you know, I don't I don't think. I

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Speaker 5: think you'd have a hard time finding someone to say

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Speaker 5: a bad word about Khalil Shakir and what he's, what

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Speaker 5: he's brought to our team the last three years and

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Speaker 5: what will count on him to bring, you know, for

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Speaker 5: years to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is always a deal when you sign

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Speaker 1: a player, it's it's it's a big moment for them,

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Speaker 1: big moment for the franchise is in it. But you

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Speaker 1: got to do that like fifty more times. And there's

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Speaker 1: a list of guys that you know that are strong considerations.

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Speaker 1: And how you know how many guys have you called?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously James Cook has been a topic of

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Speaker 1: discussion because he's eligible. Now you've got a guy like

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Speaker 1: a Christian Benford who has far outperformed his draft status. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Bernard has become almost indispensable. So you got some other

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Speaker 1: guys that are eligible, deserving, guys just plain love you.

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Speaker 1: So how do you approach that priority wise?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and all the guys you mentioned there fit our

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Speaker 5: philosophy of draft, develop and extend, you know, design however

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Speaker 5: you want to do it. So there is a cap

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Speaker 5: and so you're you're always worrying about that, and we

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Speaker 5: have lost guys that we would have loved to extend,

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Speaker 5: you know, in the past, because you still have to

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Speaker 5: fit it in. And sometimes we do go out there

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Speaker 5: and say, man, there is a position that we don't

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Speaker 5: have on here that we need to improve. That we

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Speaker 5: will do it by a free agency or trade or

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Speaker 5: whatever that may be. So we still have to consider

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Speaker 5: all those moves. But yes, we've we've had discussions with guys.

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Speaker 5: Some we'll have here with their representatives. Some even if

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Speaker 5: we haven't, you know, maybe we will in a week

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Speaker 5: or two. It's a it's a giant puzzle. And as

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Speaker 5: you see one deal take shape, that can kind of

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Speaker 5: point you, Okay, we have this, now we can do

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Speaker 5: this and and you know, we have a couple of

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Speaker 5: weeks that we have to get into cap compliant. And

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Speaker 5: some deals you do can help you with the cap.

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Speaker 5: You can actually move some things down. Some will hurt

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Speaker 5: you on the cap. So we're balancing all that. And

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Speaker 5: just because we don't sign a guy today next week

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Speaker 5: doesn't mean we wouldn't you know, later in the spring

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Speaker 5: or summer be.

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Speaker 1: Able to go to see there's a little bit of

653
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: a season right before training camp, right a training camp

654
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: extension season.

655
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: It's Spencer last year that way, as we know, James

656
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: Cook did a little posturing on social media, then pulled

657
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: it back. It seems like his intentions though for all

658
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: intents and purposes are pure. He just wants to get

659
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: fair market value in his estimation. And Coach addressed it

660
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: to some extent yesterday. Where do we feel he falls

661
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: in that line of consideration that you were just discussing.

662
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, love James, I mean, you're never gonna get me

663
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 5: to say a bad word. I mean what he's done

664
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 5: and the improvement and the maturity and all the things

665
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: that he's brought. And you know, you know, had some

666
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 5: explosive plays for us this year, some tough runs too,

667
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 5: not just the explosive ones. So we want James here,

668
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 5: you know, you know we you know, as he alluded to,

669
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 5: We've had conversations. You know, I'm now I'd prefer those

670
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 5: all be kept in house, you know, we we've generally

671
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 5: had more success that way.

672
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: But I love James, and I love who he is.

673
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: He is pure.

674
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: As anyone, and so I understand, and like anything, everyone

675
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: wants what they believe is their fair value.

676
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes you don't always see how to eye.

677
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 5: And again we don't talk about negotiations publicly, but I

678
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 5: love James Cook, and you know, hopefully we can keep

679
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: him in Buffalo, you know, for the foreseeable future. But again,

680
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 5: you know, when you work on deals, whether it's his

681
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 5: or someone else like Khalil's, you have to come to

682
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: a consensus.

683
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: That we all think this is a fair value to

684
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: get the deal.

685
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 5: And there's there's been got plenty of guys here we've

686
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: been able to do that with. And then there's been

687
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: some guys that by the time their contract expired, we

688
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 5: hadn't And you know, they go test the water.

689
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, the salary cap, when might you find

690
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: out what is actually gonna be?

691
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: You have an idea now, but.

692
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 5: We at least got an idea. You know, we got

693
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 5: the range, which was which was nice. You know, hopefully

694
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 5: here very soon. I know they're in the final negotiations

695
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: with the PA and the NFL Management Council on how

696
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: things are allotted, but we at least kind of know

697
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: where it's. You know, we've got it down to two

698
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 5: seventy seven to roughly two eighty one, so uh, you know,

699
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: a solid increase again this year. Maybe not as much

700
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 5: as last year, but still, you know, still solid.

701
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, but it's still only about

702
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: three percent off or two and a half percent, you don't.

703
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're still and those are players, So yes, it

704
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 5: does matter, and it could matter. Hey, you know what,

705
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 5: maybe it's one less player you have to release or

706
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 5: move on from, or or maybe you can structure a

707
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 5: deal a little bit differently because you know, it's three

708
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: million dollars difference. So it does matter, and hopefully we'll

709
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: get that real soon, but we are. We were glad

710
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 5: to get that information last week to at least give

711
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 5: us that the floor at a minimum. Yeah, and when

712
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 5: we get the floor, that's what we operate. So today

713
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 5: we're operating off a two seventy seven to five and

714
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 5: if we get a buck, we get a bump.

715
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: And speaking of that, you've got a player in von

716
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: Miller who had really nice pressure rate there at the

717
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: end of the season for you, you know, hurrying throws.

718
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: He'll advise throws from your opponents because of him. He

719
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: was a guy that worked with you last year to

720
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: adjust his contract to help you guys out. How do

721
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: you approach that and navigate that though as a GM

722
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: when you've gone to the well once already. And I mean, look,

723
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: I don't think I have to tell you or anybody else.

724
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: He turns thirty six next year, and maybe he's not

725
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: your average thirty six year old. I think we would

726
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: all agree on that. But you know it's hard not

727
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: to look at what the numbers say and say, oh wow,

728
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: he would be a pretty big camp savings for this team.

729
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: But they love Vaughn. How do they work that? Yeah?

730
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: No, I mean what, let's just start with last year

731
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: what Vaughn did for this team. I don't know if

732
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 5: I've ever seen anyone or heard of someone take less

733
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 5: than what they were guaranteed, and he did a very

734
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 5: team friendly. I know I was injured. I want to

735
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 5: be here. I want to see this thing through. And

736
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 5: you know, big time kudos for that.

737
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: That is.

738
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 5: You know, you're talking about a first ballot Hall of

739
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 5: Famer that did that. There's a lot of guys that

740
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 5: have a lot of pride in this league, rightfully so

741
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 5: for what they've done. And that just showed you how

742
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 5: bad he wanted to make this work in Buffalo and

743
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 5: help us chase the championship. As far as this year,

744
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: we're working through everything. You know, we'll meet with his people.

745
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 5: Vonn and I've even you know, texted, are spoken after

746
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 5: the season. So again, we've got some time before we

747
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 5: have to make, you know, some final rostering decisions. And

748
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 5: as we said, every little thing matters with the cap

749
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 5: or extensions, things like that, so I would say, you know,

750
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 5: decisions like that are still fluid.

751
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I put Sean on the on the spot. I was

752
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: going to ask him, when you find out about the

753
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: compensatory picks? Is there a date the I pointed a

754
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: the website, they show you have ten picks and you

755
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: think you do right?

756
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 6: Yeah?

757
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah we should we should.

758
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 5: Did Sean give you a very good compensatory calculated formula?

759
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: Answer?

760
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out.

761
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: No, and the slide rule and the ABO.

762
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: Did he break down how it all works and everything?

763
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, sliding scale. It let me in a little bit.

764
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: He gave me a peek behind the curtain. It wasn't pretty.

765
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't pretty.

766
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 4: You don't want to look behind that curtain, he tells me.

767
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: He's not looking behind the same current you are.

768
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

769
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, the answer is, you know, I know

770
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 5: last year we had the thing. We should have got

771
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: the third It was a rule deal, but we should have.

772
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: You know, it's not confirmed until you get it. You

773
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: don't know, but we believe by our everything we've been told,

774
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 5: including our contact with the league, that you know, it'll

775
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 5: be two fifths and so hopefully that'll be confirmed. I

776
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: would say next week to ten days matter.

777
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: Okay. Uh.

778
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Looking at the defensive class in this draft class, we

779
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: saw Kansas City in the twenty two draft pretty much

780
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: refortify their defensive roster in almost one draft class that

781
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie class. Do you are you encouraged by the

782
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: depth of defensive talent in this year's class to think

783
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: that perhaps you could refortify your defense in a similar way.

784
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, listen, there were definitely working through that.

785
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: Last night was night one of interviewing some of these

786
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 5: young men. So it's I love that part of it.

787
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: You know, we've seen the guys with their helmets on,

788
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 5: watching them compete, maybe even prior to this year, you know,

789
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: as they've come up. So last night we got eleven

790
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 5: or twelve guys in front of us. We've got a

791
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 5: full slate again tonight and tomorrow, so you know, and

792
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 5: the defenses here first. So it was it was all

793
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 5: defense last night. Yes, I mean, like you're always looking,

794
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 5: you're our goal is whether it's offense, defense, whatever we want,

795
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 5: you know, we want early key contributors. Some guys mature,

796
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 5: some things work out fast. And it's always what school

797
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: did they come from?

798
00:40:59,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: What?

799
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 5: You know, did they have this much volume of defense

800
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: at school X and now it's going to hear or

801
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 5: were they playing in a more of a system that's

802
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: got pro coaches that have you know, you know, a

803
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 5: higher volume that they're So that's part of what we're

804
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 5: finding out between now and the draft.

805
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 4: What is their football foundation?

806
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 5: Just because they know this doesn't you know, the small

807
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 5: amount doesn't mean they're not smart. And they can't learn.

808
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 5: It could be that that coach just wants to keep

809
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: it simple. I want to, I don't want I'm not

810
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: worried about how smart these guys are. I'm gonna let

811
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: them play fast well the volume that we use in

812
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 5: the pros, and every team is gonna be heavier. So

813
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 5: sometimes that takes whereas year one.

814
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: You don't. They don't always translate as fast. You would

815
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: love for them all too.

816
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 5: And we will work, you know, for whatever guys we draft,

817
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 5: whether it's you know, more defense than offense, whatever it is,

818
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 5: you know, it's our job to get them lined up,

819
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 5: take the best players.

820
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 4: That fit us, both on the field.

821
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: And off the field.

822
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, So I remember, we've seen the footage

823
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: of you and drafts passed up in the up in

824
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: the sweet watching guys run the forty. Right, who you

825
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna be cheering for to run slow this year?

826
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: I've got I've got some names.

827
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: All right.

828
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes you go, sometimes you get sold on a guy.

829
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: You don't need to see him test.

830
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, no, you you love it. And we talk

831
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: about that.

832
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: We we we actually do some uh some pretty good

833
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 5: bantering in our draft room. You know, we meet with

834
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: for two weeks with the college scouts right before we

835
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 5: come here, and we you know, we we put some

836
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: laughable you know, wagers on the border at each other

837
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 5: just and you know, at the end of the at

838
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 5: the draft after April, we we go back to those

839
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: and we and we torture each other and and you

840
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: got to do the walk of shame when when you lose, and.

841
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: So take his name off the board exactly.

842
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 5: So there's definitely a good amount of bantering that's already started.

843
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 5: And so we'll see though there are definitely some guys

844
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 5: that we know or we say, I don't know how

845
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 5: well he's gonna test, but the guy's a damn good

846
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: football player, right Yeah.

847
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: Brandon, thanks for the time. He's always gonna enjoy.

848
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: Look at your work done this week, and we'll see

849
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: you down the line here in the off season. That's

850
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: Bill's GM Brandon Bean joining us here on one Bill's Live.

851
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: We'll take a break and be back with more. Stay

852
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: with us.

853
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: Back here at the NFL Scouting Combine and Indie Chris Brown,

854
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you on a Tuesday edition. Good conversation

855
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: there with general manager Brandon Bean. If you happen to

856
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: miss it, You can catch it on a rerack, either

857
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: on the Bill's YouTube channel or we rerack our entire

858
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: show audio version on Buffalo bills dot com. Scroll all

859
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,320
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860
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: Us there the latest.

861
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: You have to look at all the content we've got,

862
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: knowing that you're gonna look at for ours first.

863
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 3: That's right, you talking out of school.

864
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: That's just between us.

865
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: Well, whatever, some interesting comments there.

866
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: Steve I thought the most interesting was his characterization of

867
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: contract extensions as a cap compliance tool. He said, in

868
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: some cases, not all, but in some cases, these contract extensions,

869
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: for some young veterans can be used as a form

870
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: of cap relief if you structure it in such a

871
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: way where you push the money towards the back of

872
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: it and leave it light in the front.

873
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: And here's the thing too, don't forget you can you

874
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: can push the money to the back of the contract

875
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: and still guarantee it. That's so you know, you correct,

876
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's the way you's got to go sometimes.

877
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: So but you gotta get the player to say yes,

878
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: no question. But if you can do that, that's that's

879
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: the easy way to do.

880
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: It, right, And Khalil Shakir winds up being step one

881
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: and trying to accomplish that. You heard us ask him

882
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: about Von Mill who took an eight and a half

883
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: million dollar haircut last year, and it's no secret to

884
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: anybody that he represents the largest single player cap relief

885
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: of anyone on the roster.

886
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: That's reasonable to release at age thirty.

887
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: Six, But it sounds like that could be a sticky

888
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: conversation because of what he did for the team last year.

889
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Can you really go back to him again and say

890
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: we got to do it again? Or do you just

891
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: outright release him.

892
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I may be in the minority, but

893
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: at the right price, I want Vaughn on the team.

894
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: I want him on the team. He played well in

895
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: moments Lash. Certainly he didn't dominate. He wasn't the Hall

896
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: of Fame caliber player we've seen. But this club needs

897
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: all the past rush help it can get. Vaughn helps

898
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: him do that. Now. I don't know that he's worth

899
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: a twenty three million dollar cap hit, which is what

900
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: he is. If ever they leaves everything unchanged twenty million bucks,

901
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big bite.

902
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: Especially when he's playing twenty eight snaps a game.

903
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's the crux. Yes, I think they like Vaughan.

904
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: I think you're and you you pointed out there were

905
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: some times even in the playoffs where Vaughn was actually

906
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: making a difference for that pass rush. And you know,

907
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: obviously at this point, if you can get it to

908
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: work financially, I'm I'm for having him on the squad

909
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: right now.

910
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: Let's think, let's contemplate this.

911
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they come to him again and say, hey, can

912
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: you help us on the cap here a little bit.

913
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 2: Your playing time is x per week on average, and

914
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: that doesn't fit this cost. Can you help us out

915
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: with that? See what he does. Then you have free agency,

916
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: you have the draft. If you nail down two pass rushers,

917
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: including one of which might be a draft choice, and

918
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: you feel pretty good about your depth. I don't know

919
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: if it's out of the realm of possibility to consider

920
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: him a post June first cut.

921
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe.

922
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility.

923
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm no, nothing's off the table. His cap hits too

924
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: big right now, and they save fifty eight, they save

925
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: eight by cutting him out right now, still a fifteen

926
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: million dollar dead cap hit. Yeah, but it's twenty three.

927
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: If he stays as.

928
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: Is and post June first, it's even less.

929
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: Right for this year, right, So that's that's where you're at.

930
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Everything's on the table with Vaughan, including just redoing the

931
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: deal and tearing it up. But they're not done with

932
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: him yet. I don't think they're gonna have to do something.

933
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't think maybe it will be an outright release

934
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: then sign him back to a different deal. I don't

935
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: know if he's a.

936
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: Member's a whole number of things that we had to

937
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 3: wait to see.

938
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's very much to and this point, it's

939
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: very much in a state of flux. It's very fluid,

940
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: as those are the exact words that brand news. It's

941
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: very fluid right now. He did say that they have

942
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: had conversation with conversations with Cook's camp about a contract extension.

943
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: Naturally he would prefer that they remain private, and James

944
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: made them somewhat public then pulled them off as social

945
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: media thereafter. But it sounds as though because I think

946
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: people were worried.

947
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: People panic when.

948
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: They see a player scrub their social media of any

949
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: connection to the team they currently play for, so when

950
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 2: James scrubbed his social media accounts, people panicked and thought

951
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: that things had gotten acrimonious. I did not get that

952
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 2: sense at all from Brandon Bean today or even Sean

953
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: mcdermoy yesterday when he addressed the media. It seems as

954
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: though they're talking on good terms and we'll see where

955
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: it ends up. Yeah, he's got to be next in line,

956
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: though I.

957
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Might be what is it. I don't even know if

958
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: the word's rife, ironic or what that The guy who

959
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: speaks the last has made the loudest statement without saying

960
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: a word, a couple of words on Twitter right just

961
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: he scrubbed all that. He scrubbed his social media accounts.

962
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: It was the biggest thing he said in the years

963
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: he's been here. Because he's such a quiet dude. He's

964
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: beloved by the teammates, you know, is obvious. McDermott loves him,

965
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: Brandon loves him. They'll they'll try and work it out

966
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: with him, no question, and we'll see.

967
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: Now some interesting news about a former bill today. Seattle

968
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: general manager John Schneider said here at the NFL Combine

969
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: that Jason Peters is finally retiring as a long time

970
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. As you know, he began his career as

971
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie free agent with the Bills as a

972
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: tight end out of Arkansas, and then went on to

973
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 2: become an All Pro caliber left tackle in the league. Unfortunately,

974
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: he didn't want to continue his career in Buffalo, and

975
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: Buffalo was forced to trade him knowing he didn't want

976
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: to be here and refuse to sign a second contract extension.

977
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: He went to the Philadelphia Eagles, won a Super Bowl

978
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: there and bounced around the last couple of years helping

979
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: out teams.

980
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: With a tackle need. That guy's a first ballot Hall

981
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: of Famer, isn't he?

982
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? Six times he was All Pro six times at

983
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: left tackle in the National Football League, was a Pro

984
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: Bowler nine times, won a World Championship. He was one

985
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: of those rare guys and this kind of goes a

986
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: long way too towards his credibility as a I would

987
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: think a Hall of Fame kind of guy that gets

988
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: consideration right out of the gate. Is that You've said it.

989
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: The last two or three years, teams were begging him

990
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: to come and.

991
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: Just be there, at over forty years old.

992
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: Just come and be in our locker room, be ready

993
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: to play. We'll give you just get us through a game,

994
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: maybe start one game, and you'll be back to the

995
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: bench as quickly as we can get you there. But

996
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: we need you just And.

997
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: The guy's forty he's forty two now.

998
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: And the good news is he's going to be gamefully

999
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: employed in the NFL because John Schneider GM and the

1000
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: Seahawks said he is going to be an assistant to

1001
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: Moe Kelly, the Seahawks vice president of player affairs. So

1002
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: good for Jason Peters on a career that is going

1003
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: to go in the history books, maybe one of the

1004
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: best undrafted rookies to ever play in the NFL.

1005
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: There's only he's on the list. There's only a handful

1006
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: of guys. There's a couple of at least one Hall

1007
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: of Famer I know of, not I think there's a

1008
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: couple who were undrafted guys who went on to be

1009
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: Hall of famers. John Randalls one of them. I saw

1010
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: him last night, said hello to him last night. There

1011
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: are and how I have do some research in the

1012
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: break to see if I can find out if you

1013
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: know where they were. But yes, that's a rare, rare occurrence.

1014
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: And I mean Jason Peters was an enormous human being

1015
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: and could outrun.

1016
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: He ran a four eighty five here at the combine

1017
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: because I was at that combine and I remember it.

1018
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: I was like four eight five at three point fifteen.

1019
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: What.

1020
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a dude.

1021
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: I mean that was twenty five years ago. It's just

1022
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: that was stupid.

1023
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: So congrats to Jason Peters on a whale of an

1024
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: NFL career. We got to take a break here, but

1025
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: when we come back, we kick off the second hour

1026
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: of today's show with NFL Networks Draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah.

1027
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: We're going to get the four to one one on

1028
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: some players of interest that Steve and I are concerned

1029
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: about the depth of the class at certain positions. Daniel

1030
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: Jeremiah coming your way next here on One Bill's Live

1031
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: presented by Colida Health.

1032
00:52:32,280 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 7: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1033
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: These One Bills Lives presented by Calida Help.

1034
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome back to our number two Chris Brown,

1035
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker, joined by Daniel Jeremiah. You see him or

1036
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: hear him on Chargers Radio, but he also does this

1037
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: little thing called to Move the Six podcast for NFL Network,

1038
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: and he's glued into every draft class each and every year.

1039
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: So DJ, thanks for giving us some time in your

1040
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: national conference call last week. You called this a starter's draft.

1041
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: So for a team like the Bills who need to

1042
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: refortify the defensive side of the ball, both upfront and

1043
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: on the back end, is their talent ready to start

1044
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 2: day one at positions like defensive tackle, edge safety?

1045
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 6: Yes?

1046
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Especially good?

1047
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially. I would have really hurt this interview if

1048
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 6: I said not this year.

1049
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 4: Guys.

1050
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 8: No, thanks, yeah, thanks for coming defensive tackle wise, specifically

1051
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 8: as a good year as I can remember, just depth wise.

1052
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 8: So I mentioned this the other day, but there were

1053
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 8: Last year I had twelve defensive tackles with potential starter

1054
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 8: level grades.

1055
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 6: This year I had twenty four.

1056
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 8: I don't And I'm like, okay, maybe I'm in a

1057
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 8: better am I sleeping better this year?

1058
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 6: I might just in a better mood, maybe just handing

1059
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 6: out better grades.

1060
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 8: But now I'm like, no, there's these are legitimate, not

1061
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 8: you know, two hundred and eighty pound guys. You're like, wow,

1062
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 8: if this guy can put on twenty pounds, and if

1063
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 8: and this and that and right, like, these are three

1064
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 8: hundred and ten pound dudes who can get up the field,

1065
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 8: can handle double teams like scheme diverse dudes.

1066
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 6: So it's yeah, that that that is legit, that is real.

1067
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: At this point, we don't know what's gonna happen in

1068
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: free agency for all these teams. Is there a position

1069
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: group in the draft that you don't think will be

1070
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: as good as the free agent market might be in

1071
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I mean, is there a peosition

1072
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: group that we think we're not even scouting those guys

1073
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: because we're gonna get one that's better in the free

1074
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: agent market I have?

1075
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll be honest, I did a lot of

1076
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 8: digging on free agency the last week, and I don't

1077
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 8: remember it ever being this thin, like less exciting group

1078
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 8: of players, and teams have gotten smarter about locking their

1079
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 8: guys up early, you know, and just not letting those

1080
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 8: guys get to market. I would say interior offensive line.

1081
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 8: There's some there's some quality out there, but man, it's

1082
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 8: not It is not you think about a draft and

1083
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 8: people have knocked this draft for not being sexy. Free

1084
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 8: agency wise, is not not very exciting to me, right Getting.

1085
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: Back to d line, is there a discernible difference between

1086
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: the best that the defensive tackle class has to offer

1087
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: compared to the edge rusher class, and do you expect

1088
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: more players to come off the board sooner at one

1089
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: of those positions than the other.

1090
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 6: That's a good question.

1091
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 8: Look to me, if we're gonna you know, and this

1092
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 8: is not gonna pertain to the Bills so to speak,

1093
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 8: but like Abdol Carter's the best player in the draft

1094
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 8: for my money, and that that that start with the

1095
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 8: premier edge rusher. There's I like Mason Graham and I

1096
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 8: you know, I like Kenneth Grant, but they're not in

1097
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 8: the same stratosphere.

1098
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 6: As as Abdul Carter as a player.

1099
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 8: So the top top end, you know, you go to

1100
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 8: the edge rusher, I would say. The fascinating discussion of

1101
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 8: the edge rushers, whereas defensive tackles talked about a long

1102
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 8: list of guys who can do a little bit of

1103
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 8: everything and the little different flavors. You know, Walter Nolan's

1104
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 8: a little bit more of an upfield exploder, Kenneth Grant

1105
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 8: is going to be more of a you know, plugger,

1106
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 8: but edge rusher wise, it's a very simple conversation.

1107
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 6: It is traits versus production.

1108
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 8: We have long Rangy athletic guys with very minimal production,

1109
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 8: and we got some guys who maybe don't fit the

1110
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 8: hightweight speed wreck right but know how to rush.

1111
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: At leman ask, is there a guy and defensive tackle,

1112
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: defensive end who is let's just pick a name out

1113
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: of a hat like Miles Garrett, who you can put

1114
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: him on any one of the four spots and he's

1115
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: going to be a dumb player. But is there a

1116
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: guy who's that good, who can play inside, play outside,

1117
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: play the one, play, the three, all that stuff. Who's

1118
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: the most versatile elite guy?

1119
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, Michael Williams from Georgia would be up there

1120
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 8: for me. And he's more so, you know, nine to

1121
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 8: five three. I don't think you're gonna play him at

1122
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 8: a one unless you're gonna be kind of running some

1123
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 8: games in there. But he's gonna be gosh, I will

1124
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 8: we'll get the measurables. I bet he's gonna have thirty

1125
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 8: five and a half inch arms two and five. He

1126
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 8: might be a little he might be more two seventy five,

1127
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 8: but he he rushes from a three. He is really

1128
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 8: good rushing in there. And he was hurt. He got

1129
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 8: cut in the Clemson game.

1130
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, first was at that game. Yeah, they got him

1131
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: and it was a high ankle. Yeah.

1132
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,959
Speaker 8: And then talking to those guys that even like towards

1133
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 8: the end they were just kind of getting in the

1134
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 8: game day and he kind of gutted it out and played.

1135
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 8: But man, I'm this is like my my little phrasers.

1136
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 8: Different years where you kind of picked something up. One year,

1137
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 8: I remember it was talking to a linebacker coach and

1138
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 8: it was many years ago. I heard the phrase stopping

1139
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 8: power as a tackler, and that's that stuck with me.

1140
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 8: It was like that that is a visual I can

1141
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 8: get behind. I can see when a guy hits somebody

1142
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 8: and there's a lot of stopping.

1143
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: A lot of explanation in that description.

1144
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 6: Yes, so that I love that.

1145
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, and uh, you know so that was one thing

1146
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 8: that jumped out to me when I was looking at it.

1147
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 8: And then this year, you know, with the way you know,

1148
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 8: teams are trying to get to the quarterback, I heard this,

1149
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 8: you know, talking about Kenny win from different entry points,

1150
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 8: and I thought that's pretty good, Like, you know, you

1151
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 8: look at guys that can win from different alignments and

1152
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 8: then off the ball, on the ball different places.

1153
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: Let's let's flesh out that defensive end conversation a little bit.

1154
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: Because you mentioned MIKEL Williams is going to go two

1155
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: seventy five to eighty. There's some other guys in this

1156
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: class that go as much as two eighty two ninety

1157
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: Jordan Birch, Yeah, who, some people say he's an end.

1158
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: Traditionally those guys in years past would be seen as

1159
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: like three four five texts. Yeah, how do they translate

1160
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: to a four to three front like the Bills have?

1161
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: Do they Are they even part of the conversation or

1162
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: do you say not a fit for the Bills?

1163
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: Let's move on.

1164
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 8: He's a tough one for me, specifically Birch, because he

1165
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 8: is a big guy who doesn't necessarily play big. He's

1166
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 8: more of a finesse player. He plays out there on

1167
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 8: the edge, which you tip your cap like, golly, you're

1168
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 8: athletic enough to go out there and do that at

1169
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 8: that size. But he doesn't play as heavy handed as

1170
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 8: I would like for somebody that's that dang big.

1171
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: All right? What about another guy like Nick Scalurton another

1172
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: two eighty.

1173
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, he reminds me of Brandon Graham a little bit.

1174
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 8: When Brandon Grugg is coming out because he's kind of

1175
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 8: almost looks a little bit sowed off, but who plays

1176
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 8: with some long levers and his firm and gonna you know,

1177
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 8: he's more of a collapse.

1178
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 6: Collapse the pocket power rusher, crush rusher.

1179
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 8: So uh, that was kind of you know, my my

1180
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 8: thought of him, like if you look a range for

1181
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 8: a player l J. Collier who busted and didn't work,

1182
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 8: and then Brandon Graham like he you have to decide

1183
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 8: if you like Scord and you're gonna push you more

1184
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 8: towards Brandon Graham if you have concerns, you're gonna push

1185
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 8: you more towards l J.

1186
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: College.

1187
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: Let's let's move to the back end of the defensive

1188
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and you know, we've got a

1189
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: couple of bunch of safeties coming and some corners and

1190
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: the Bill and the Bills justifiably could go either either

1191
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: spot outside corner safety. They've got a good slot in

1192
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: Taron Johnson, although you know he's gonna.

1193
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: Be heavy thirty ye.

1194
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the whole you know, depending on what happens

1195
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: since free agency as always, but give us your ideas

1196
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: about the elite guys in both at safety positions and

1197
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: on the outside corner.

1198
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean, we'll start with Baron from Texas, who's

1199
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 8: you know, kind of plays their nickel. You can play outside.

1200
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 8: I think he can play safety. I'm I'm sky high

1201
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 8: on him. There's certain guys years where I know I'm

1202
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 8: gonna have him way higher than he's gonna get picked,

1203
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 8: and I'm comfortable with that. I just I just love

1204
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 8: the way that he plays, takes the ball away, doesn't

1205
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 8: miss tackles. I've gotten a lot bigger put a lot

1206
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,479
Speaker 8: bigger emphasis on corners and tackling. It just you can't

1207
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 8: hide anymore. The whole cover corner thing is not It's

1208
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 8: not appropriate anymore. They're going to condense the formation and

1209
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 8: bring you into the run fit. If you can't tackle,

1210
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 8: you're gonna get exposed week in and week out. So

1211
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 8: I love him and I think he you know, you've

1212
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 8: got an older nickel, but I think he could move

1213
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 8: him around in different areas until that became kind of

1214
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 8: his home. But Malachi Starks is, you know, plays high.

1215
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 8: He could play in the nickel. The only thing he

1216
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 8: just didn't make as many plays this year is I

1217
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 8: always hope. But he did in that in that Clemson

1218
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 8: game early in the season, but I never.

1219
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: They saw him make as many pawns on.

1220
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, he does. He has things.

1221
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: The thing I saw about Starks is when you turn

1222
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: it on, you see him doing every You see him

1223
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: picking passes off, you see him stuff in the run,

1224
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: you see him running guys down, you see all the

1225
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: highlights from other guys. He does all of that, and

1226
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: he just shows up to me in so many different

1227
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: He seems more versatile in his ability to see it,

1228
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 1: be aware of it, you know, catch the concepts coming

1229
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: at about you get yeah, not really clean on.

1230
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 8: That was literally the only thing that I had was

1231
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 8: just I just wanted to see him this year. He's

1232
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 8: done it in the past. This year he just didn't

1233
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 8: make as many plays on the ball. But he's you know,

1234
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 8: he's super instinctive. And I always go back and talk

1235
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 8: to the folks at Georgia about this. I love you

1236
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 8: tell maybe you tell me an example of one. But

1237
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 8: we had a scout when I was in Baltimore. Lionel

1238
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 8: Vital had been around Bill Belichick forever and I remember,

1239
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 8: I still remember he did this presentation on safeties and

1240
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 8: he said, Bill Belichi check said, it's impossible to be

1241
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 8: a great dumb safety so that it does not exist.

1242
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 8: And this kid is incredibly smart. You're communicator, you can do.

1243
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: All that tell him. I've been telling Brownie. The thing

1244
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: that separates the greatest ones from everybody, all the rest

1245
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: of us is how smart they are. I mean, that's

1246
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: the it's from the next because we've got all these

1247
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: elite athletes that someone aren't even gonna make a team.

1248
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: But you get a guy who's also gifted, and then

1249
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: he's it's it's from the neck up that is the

1250
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: great I.

1251
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 8: Saw it with I mean that was my education with

1252
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 8: Ed Reed, you know, and just being around him and seeing, Okay,

1253
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 8: if you if you had an Olympic competition between Ed

1254
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 8: Reid and all the other safeties in the league, he

1255
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 8: probably wouldn't be on the podium, but he's the best

1256
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 8: player in it, not even close.

1257
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 6: Because how smart is all right?

1258
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: So you mentioned, you know, the free agency decision and

1259
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: how it's not a sexy group of free agents, and

1260
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: you're thinking, like a lot of teams are going to

1261
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: extend their own people.

1262
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: The Bills have a young core. They have to really

1263
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 3: start thinking about.

1264
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: You're paying a quarterback, by the way, I know that

1265
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: has to get addressed as well. But you're talking Christian Benford,

1266
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: Terrelle Bernard, James Cook, Greg Russo in his fifty year option.

1267
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: Is there a way to kind of, even with a

1268
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: tight cap situation, to use that maybe as a form

1269
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: of cap relief to kind of help yourself going forward here.

1270
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 8: One hundred percent and being able to spread that out.

1271
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 8: And I think Josh is probably a big component of that.

1272
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 8: And that's math beyond my app state educational mind too,

1273
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 8: But there there are definitely ways you can maneuver around

1274
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 8: that and spread things out and lower those numbers.

1275
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's you know, get back into you know,

1276
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: the personnel that where do you see? And I was asked,

1277
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: I've asked everybody I've seen. It's really one of those drafts.

1278
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: And you you said your guy, the rusher you thought

1279
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: was the best, the best player out there a card.

1280
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: How do you think the top couple of picts are

1281
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: going to go? Because Tennessee's kind of a I don't

1282
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: know what they you know, there's no glaring thing because

1283
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: of Will Levis. Yeah, but the giants in Cleveland, well yeah,

1284
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: it's time for them.

1285
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, Yes, I kind of made I made the argument

1286
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 8: with Tennessee that you know, look over the next year

1287
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 8: or two, your future quarterback can still be had. And

1288
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 8: I got surprisingly, well maybe it's not surprisingly because it's

1289
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 8: the Internet, but I got a lot of pushback. If

1290
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 8: there's no guarantees you can get a quarterback in the future,

1291
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 8: you've got to get one now. And then I rattled

1292
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 8: off like seven examples of teams that waited a year

1293
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 8: and benefited by waiting a year, with CJ.

1294
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 6: Stroud being at.

1295
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 8: The top of the list for the Texans and the

1296
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 8: Bears did it. You know, a bunch of teams have

1297
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 8: done it. So I just think there's you're so far away,

1298
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 8: you're going to be back picking in the top ten

1299
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 8: to twelve. You know in the next couple of years

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Speaker 8: you'll have other opportunities with different guys. So I would

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Speaker 8: just take the sheer thing. I think Abdul Carter is

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Speaker 8: a talent, is a sure thing. You put in with

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01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 8: Jeffrey Simmons Defandre Sweat, all of a sudden, you got

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Speaker 8: something to build off of here with a dominant defense move.

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Speaker 1: He's a horrible value, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: No one ever go to the grocery store hungry.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to bounce a couple more corners off you,

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Speaker 2: because I think in terms of value, by the time

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Speaker 2: we get down to thirty for the Bills, I think

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: the value might be there as opposed to maybe edge

1311
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: rusher or even de tackle what you can wait on

1312
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: because they got two tubes A Zari A Thomas Trey

1313
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 2: Amos might be a little later. What do you think

1314
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: of those two guys? They do they come close to

1315
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: Baron's ability? Maybe not in terms of versatility, but what

1316
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: do you think.

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01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 6: Are both really good players?

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Speaker 8: Amos to be Let's start there because if he runs, well,

1319
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 8: that's the that's the only thing. And I can give

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Speaker 8: you a specific game. I had a high grade on him.

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Speaker 8: I loved his instincts. I loved his ball skills. I

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01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 8: love just the way he moved. He's fluid and smooth.

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Speaker 8: The LSU game, they ran by him a little bit.

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Speaker 8: I want to say. It was an over route and

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01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 8: they got on top of him, and I just was like,

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Speaker 8: oh man, can he can he really really run? That's

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Speaker 8: gonna be my Yeah, that's gonna be my question on him.

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Speaker 8: So and that goes right into the combine where people

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Speaker 8: say this is this is what's the point of this.

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Speaker 8: Just evaluate the tape and I'm like, well, no, the corners.

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Speaker 8: If how you run is important matters and you're not

1332
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 8: going to get stretched out. But so many times in

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Speaker 8: college I want to see that verified on the field.

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Speaker 3: And then what about Thomas.

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Speaker 6: Thomas is super instinctive. Know he's this is gonna be

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Speaker 6: to me.

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Speaker 8: This will determine whether or not you're a good scout

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01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 8: or a bad scout, because if you he's gonna I've

1339
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Speaker 8: heard some people dinging him off of the Senior Bowl. Well,

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Speaker 8: you've got him playing off coverage against Tes Johnson, Wh's

1341
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty six pounds bolt of lightning. Yeah,

1342
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 8: he's gonna get away from you. And they some of them,

1343
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 8: they lined him up inside. So you got this. This

1344
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Speaker 8: guy is one hundred and fifty six pounds, he's got

1345
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Speaker 8: a three way go as a you know, a low

1346
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 8: four four high four to three guy. And I'm a big, long,

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Speaker 8: physical corner like you just hung me out.

1348
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Speaker 6: To dry here.

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Speaker 1: So in one of your mock drafts, you got Matthew

1350
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: Golden wide receiver Texas and we've been watching him going

1351
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Speaker 1: to the Bills though you've got him mocked to the bills. Yeah,

1352
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: we're watching him, and you know, and I love his

1353
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: tape catches. Everything runs good routes, UH sees it gets

1354
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Speaker 1: in the void, areum makes tough catches, traffic, carritches. How

1355
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: fast is he?

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Speaker 8: So I'll give you my intel. We don't and this

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01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 8: is just for us. This doesn't get shared.

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01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 6: Nobody knows that it's the conversation is happening.

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Speaker 8: So he had a high ankle in the last game,

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Speaker 8: which I believe was again Ohio State, so he was

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Speaker 8: not his He was advised not to run here, so

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Speaker 8: I said, okay, well, what's he gonna do? He said,

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Speaker 8: he is ultra competitive. He is going to run here.

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Speaker 8: He will run in the mid to high four fours here,

1365
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 8: and by the time he gets to his pro day

1366
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Speaker 8: he will probably click under four to four. So that

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Speaker 8: was what was shared with me. If he runs, if

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Speaker 8: that second number is a four at either the combine

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Speaker 8: or the pro day, I'm happy as can be, right because.

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Speaker 6: Everything else is really good.

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Speaker 8: The uh And again, I love this why I love

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Speaker 8: hanging out with you guys, because we kind of nerd

1373
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 8: out on some of the scouting stuff. But I was

1374
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 8: talking to Less Snead a few years ago. I love

1375
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Speaker 8: talking to guys who've hit on positions, and hey, what

1376
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 8: did you see with Cooper? What did you see with

1377
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Speaker 8: Pooka Nakua?

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 8: And he said one of the things we loved about

1380
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Speaker 8: him is these guys are all grounded through the catch,

1381
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 8: like they and you am telling you. You see it

1382
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 8: with guys that are confident in their hands and they

1383
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 8: run right through the ball. And you see guys who

1384
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Speaker 8: leave their feet and gather and catch and corral body catch. Yes,

1385
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Speaker 8: And what it is is not only is it's better

1386
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 8: way to catch the football, but you want to make

1387
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 8: things happen after the catch. You freaking catch that thing

1388
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 8: on the dead run. You're confident in your hands and

1389
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 8: your feet are in the ground as you're going.

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Speaker 3: To Golden does that?

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01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 6: Golden and Abuka, both those guys, I got the thing

1392
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 6: to you.

1393
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: You're right. The catch is given to them, yeah, rather

1394
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: than the focal and it should be the focal point

1395
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: of And that's why so many guys gather. Yeah, they

1396
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: wrap around and they catch it with their chest and

1397
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: pin it. But guys who snatch it and you.

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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 6: Know it, I mean it's a visual you know it

1399
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 6: when you see it.

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Speaker 2: Guys are confident, right, Daniel, thanks for the time. As always,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate it. We want to remind you Ticketmaster is

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01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 2: the title sponsor of this year's NFL scouting combine coverage.

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01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 2: Ticketmaster is the official ticketing partner of the NFL and

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. That's Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network. Will

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01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: take a break and be back more here on One

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: Bills Live.

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01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: Or anybody to a lot of health.

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Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bills freaking.

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Speaker 2: Back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 2: please to be joined now by Bill's head coach Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 2: also a proud member of the NFL's Competition Committee. And

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Speaker 2: we should tell you Ticketmaster is the title sponsor of

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 2: this year's NFL Scouting combine coverage. Ticketmaster is the official

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01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: ticketing partner of the NFL and the Buffalo Bills. Coach,

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: You've been at work already a couple of days here.

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you've got some media responsibilities here,

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: but Competition Committee, you guys are the first ones here.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're cracking here. Meetings half the day yesterday started

1420
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 9: at one o'clock. I've done around five and then today

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 9: all day up until I'm visiting with you two.

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01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: Fac How many guys in the room for that? How

1423
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: many are there? Is there a set number of us?

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01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 9: I mean just picture a ballroom and it changes based

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01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 9: on who's in. You know, what other subcommittees are gouted in.

1426
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 9: But picture a ballroom or at least a half a ballroom,

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 9: and it's filled with committee members and subcommittee members.

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a couple of guys. Yeah, at least yeah,

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: at least yeah.

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01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 2: So let's so, let's just because we're hearing the reports

1431
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: coming out about some of the tweaking for the dynamic kickoff,

1432
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: how would you characterize the changes that are being considered.

1433
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 2: Would you characterize them as tweaks to what we saw

1434
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 2: last year? Would that be the best way to kind

1435
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: of describe potential changes that could come.

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 9: I think that that's a that's a good way to

1438
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 9: describe it.

1439
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 4: Because of.

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 9: We feel overall that the result of the kickoff play,

1441
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 9: the new kickoff play, the dynamic kickoff was was it

1442
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 9: hit the mark in terms of the desired goals right,

1443
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 9: in terms of you know, getting the play back in

1444
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 9: the game. Injury or injury reduction and so, but now

1445
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 9: it's tweaking it to your point, Chris, about how we

1446
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 9: can even enhance it even more.

1447
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 1: And by enhancing you mean making it like fewer touchbacks,

1448
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: a little few more returns or I mean, know you

1449
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: don't want to go overboard and have one hundred percent

1450
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: kickoff return rate, but nevertheless you do want a more

1451
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: or less than the throwaway down right.

1452
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 9: Right, And and so there's a lot to you know,

1453
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 9: talk about with the kickoff rule and how it affects

1454
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 9: the game, how to affects punts and whatnot. But really

1455
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 9: it's how can we make it better? You know, the

1456
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 9: thirty five yard lines been thrown out there in terms

1457
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 9: of the touchback, but even increasing the the level of

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 9: returns right, as you said, so changing the game that way.

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: That would seem to do it. If you move the

1460
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: touch back after you kick it out of the end

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01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: zone and they're gonna get the ball to thirty five,

1462
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: that's a little less incentive you have for not giving

1463
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: the guy a chance to return it and having maybe

1464
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: being forced to or incentivized having more faith in your

1465
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: coverage guys to tackle him short of the thirty five, right,

1466
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean That's that's the thought of it, right.

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 9: It is, that's the kind of the genesis of the

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01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 9: of the idea. And you know, I got to be

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 9: honest with you. When I first heard it, I was like, mmm,

1470
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 9: But listening a little bit more to some of the

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 9: conversations that are going on in the room, it's it's

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 9: something that that we seriously need to think about.

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: What would and what about the landing I tell him, Brownie,

1474
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: to expand, expand the landing area.

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01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 3: He's got to expand the landing zone.

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Speaker 9: That's what he wants, which is where you live to

1477
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Speaker 9: you know.

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Speaker 1: Halfway just halfway to Orchard Park then that way. Yeah,

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: by expanding the landing area, that would open up a

1480
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: different type of kick, a line drive kick, hit the

1481
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: ball on the ground, bounce around a little more chaotic

1482
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: and and that's something it's really hard to do now

1483
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: because the twenty has the landing area. Yeah, you got

1484
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: to carry it him in and that's hard kick. It's

1485
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: harder to make that kick. So they're all kinds. But

1486
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: like I said, there are all kinds of unintended consequences.

1487
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: But some if you tweak it a little bit and

1488
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: you open a little crack of a door. Somebody could

1489
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: bust through that door and take advantage of the rule.

1490
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: But what about expanding the landing area and making the

1491
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: kick a little bit different type of kick.

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 9: Well, you know that's that's been talked about a little bit.

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 9: We visited on that. I think, I think where we

1494
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 9: where we end up this past season was a good

1495
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 9: spot to start from. And like I said before, it's

1496
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 9: covered most of the desired goals, So trying to keep

1497
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 9: some level of consistency, continuity, and just tweak here and

1498
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 9: there to enhance again the already desired result that we

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Speaker 9: got this past season.

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Speaker 2: You speaking of special teams, you've got a new special

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01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: teams coordinator and Chris Taber. This is the first, I

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: believe this is the first special teams coordinator you've had

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,799
Speaker 2: since twenty eighteen with prior experience at the pro level.

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01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: How high on your list of priorities and what you

1505
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 2: were looking for in a special teams coordinator was prior

1506
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 2: pro level experience in the role?

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01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 9: I would say very high, very high. And it is

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01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 9: really hard, like it is in most position positions or

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 9: cases overall, to find what I would say, our top

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 9: shelf experienced guys, because usually they're tied up somewhere else.

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Speaker 9: And so when you know, I had a chance to

1512
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 9: h you know, talk to Chris a little bit and

1513
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 9: then spend some more time with him, and he's he's

1514
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 9: been a guy I've been you know, he's been on

1515
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 9: my radar just you know, tracking his career. He's had

1516
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 9: a lot of success, been to a lot of different places.

1517
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 9: He's one of the call it top tier, top shelf

1518
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 9: guys that are out there, and.

1519
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: A lot of top ten finishes for him and a

1520
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: lot of those four major Yeah.

1521
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: What were what were some of the issues that when

1522
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: you talk to him about what his philosophy was, about

1523
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: what he expected from you and what you were going

1524
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: to expect from him. I imagine some of it had

1525
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: to do with, you know, personnel that would be made

1526
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: available to him on the roster, you know, decisions about

1527
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: who could play, who he could use, how much practice time,

1528
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: some of this kind of the conversation.

1529
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 9: Well it is, it's part of the interview process and

1530
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 9: just you know, getting it more and more familiar with

1531
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 9: what his philosophy is and what my philosophies are in

1532
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 9: terms of from a head coaching standpoint, how I see

1533
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 9: special teams, utiliz of personnel, who's available, how many are available,

1534
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 9: So just really just kind of kind of going back

1535
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 9: and forth of in that regard to hey, how does

1536
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 9: he see special teams overall and then within each phase.

1537
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 9: Chris is a little bit of a different situation whereby

1538
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 9: he was out last year, out of the league, right

1539
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 9: and had a chance to sit back and and watch

1540
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 9: and watch the new kickoff take place and and also

1541
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 9: study some things and study other other coordinators and whatnot.

1542
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 9: So we had a great conversation. It happened fast from

1543
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 9: a standpoint of you know, kind of you know, a

1544
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 9: couple of interviews and then we're able to make the

1545
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 9: decision there. But you know, happy to add him, happy

1546
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 9: to have his family with us.

1547
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: There is a new senior defensive assistant as well, and

1548
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: Ryan Nielsen. His specialty, at least recently in his career

1549
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: is he's been a big proponent of man coverage. I

1550
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: know that's something you guys turned to a little bit

1551
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 2: more like last season from a defensive philosophy. Do you

1552
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: feel that he's going to be able to maybe enhance

1553
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: or increase the variance of what you guys traditionally have done.

1554
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 9: I know, that that's out there, really kind of outside

1555
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,759
Speaker 9: the box thought, I would say, really really coach Nielsen

1556
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 9: is his his forte is defensive line play. So he's

1557
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 9: really being brought in to be, yes senior defensive assistant,

1558
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 9: so macro level area, but also really hone in on

1559
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 9: the defensive line. That's really how he has come up

1560
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 9: through the league and had a lot of success. And

1561
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 9: so he's going to work together with with Marcus and

1562
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 9: with Jason reps there and uh you know again spend

1563
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 9: most of his time with our defensive line.

1564
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 1: Gots what I gonna ask you to one of the

1565
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: things that came out and I want to go back

1566
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: to the competition committee for a minute. This replay review.

1567
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 1: They're going to expand or tweak what they can do

1568
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: and maybe expand a couple of plays where they weren't

1569
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: allowed to intervene before. And now can what we are

1570
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that?

1571
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 4: Oh boy, you know it's.

1572
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 9: A can wormshow, right, It's going down that rabbit hole potentially,

1573
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 9: which I think it is important. I think we're at

1574
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 9: a good spot and but and so expanding it, we

1575
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 9: need to be really smart on how far that goes

1576
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 9: and when that line in the sand has to be

1577
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 9: drawn again because that needs to be a very clear line.

1578
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 9: So that's that's my opinion on it. And I feel like,

1579
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 9: you know, we'll get there. It just takes time, you know,

1580
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,799
Speaker 9: in terms of having good conversations, and you know, sometimes

1581
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 9: hard conversations also.

1582
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: Right, the outside observers, who as we all know, have opinions,

1583
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: feel like if in refortifying your defense, speed is what

1584
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 2: you guys need.

1585
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,919
Speaker 3: That just keeps coming up. We hear it from callers.

1586
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: Not their opinions carry as much weight as others, but

1587
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: speed keeps getting brought up. What do you what's your

1588
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: philosophy on maybe adding speed to a defensive unit.

1589
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 9: Well, listen, here's the thing about speed. Everyone loves speed,

1590
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 9: speed and small you know, that's right. That's not how

1591
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 9: you want to have speed. You want to be speed

1592
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 9: and big and powerful, right, those that's the right combination

1593
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 9: of speed. But yes, I do believe in speed. We

1594
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 9: do believe in speed, but speed with size and power

1595
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 9: and explosiveness.

1596
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: One of them to sign up for that. And one

1597
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: of the benefits we talk about it some too. One

1598
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: of the benefits of being big and speedy is durability

1599
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: and speedy because the lighter you are. And we've been

1600
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: I mean, during the seventeen years of the drought, we've

1601
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: seen where you've got two dozen guys on IR and

1602
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: they're all kind of light guys playing in the box

1603
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: and they just get beat up. But this is we're

1604
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: here now, and there's this is a draft that's supposedly

1605
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: deep in big dudes down inside those guys that are

1606
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: genetically different that you don't you know that that yeah

1607
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: than us three Yeah, like like like the rest of us,

1608
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: like civilians. So yeah, so you know when you come

1609
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: in and certainly you don't have to tell us you

1610
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: know the entire strategy, but certainly you've got rounds one

1611
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: through seven that would be nice, That would be nice.

1612
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if you actually could. But this is

1613
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: a time where you've got to evaluate and the roster

1614
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 1: now is going to be different after free agency begins.

1615
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: But you still don't know about free agency what you know,

1616
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: so how do you sort through what's probably gonna be

1617
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: the draft looking after free agency? And you know you're

1618
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: playing in free agency, and if you can carry out

1619
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: your planning free agency, then what's the draft going to

1620
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: look like? Right?

1621
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 9: And I think that's really where Brandon and his staff

1622
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 9: come in because they've spent you know, close to all

1623
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 9: year when we're playing and coaching, looking into the future

1624
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 9: of who's coming up in the free agent market, and

1625
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 9: then and how that aids us in the draft, and

1626
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 9: then how we can offset the draft, you know, so

1627
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 9: on and so forth. But listen, at the end of

1628
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 9: the day, we have to be shopping for the best

1629
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 9: football players out there, right, and so if you say

1630
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 9: we have to find this position or we have to

1631
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 9: you know, get this player, there's only a few players

1632
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 9: that you say that about, right, Other than that, it's

1633
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 9: best player for our football team, best player available. And

1634
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 9: that's where you make the right decisions more times than.

1635
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: That last one for you, because we know your time

1636
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: is short. Your defensive coordinator play caller is the same

1637
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 2: guy year over year for the first time in three years.

1638
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: I know the scheme hasn't changed, but even you said

1639
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 2: last year it's going to be different because there's a

1640
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 2: new person calling it. This is the first year in

1641
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: three years that's not happening. How does that best help

1642
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 2: or serve your defense with that continue.

1643
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 9: Well, there's been that continuity of through the better part

1644
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 9: of three years, whether I was calling it Leslie or

1645
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 9: or now Bobby. So I think the biggest thing now

1646
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 9: is Bobby coming back for year two in that same role,

1647
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 9: that same seat.

1648
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: And then again my.

1649
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 9: You know, being clothed, you know close excuse me, tied

1650
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 9: closely to to Bobby and and our and our being

1651
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 9: aligned philosophically and what we want to be, who we

1652
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 9: want to be, uh, defensively and that and that, listen,

1653
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 9: it's it's you have to continue to evolve every year.

1654
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: So and studying the game, study where the game's going.

1655
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 9: I mean, you look at the super Bowl, you look

1656
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 9: at all these different areas to improve as a coach,

1657
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 9: to kind of again look into the future of where's

1658
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 9: the game going defensively, and usually it's based on, Hey,

1659
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 9: what's out there and what the offenses are trying to do.

1660
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 9: And we just believe in, hey, trying to be out

1661
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 9: in front of it by maybe five plus years trying

1662
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 9: to but then people catch up. So you got to

1663
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 9: go another five years out again. And that's that's what

1664
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 9: that's the work you got to put into it, and

1665
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 9: that's the visionary piece of it.

1666
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: I believe that's one for me and I see in

1667
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,480
Speaker 1: my computer. Here, see this, this is ten that projected

1668
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: ten picks of the bills.

1669
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 3: Well, they're projecting, we anticipated.

1670
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 1: How when is this going to be you know for

1671
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: sure going to be accurate? When do you guys find

1672
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: out when the compensatory picks come out? When is all?

1673
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 1: When does that happen? Because that's what it looks like.

1674
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: Now you got thirty fifty six sixty two one to

1675
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: wait one thirty one, one seventy one, one seventy five,

1676
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 1: one seventy nine, two o six, and two o eight.

1677
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: When is that going to be set in stone instead

1678
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: of on a computer screen?

1679
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 9: What do you what? Am I the president of the

1680
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 9: United States right now? Or we're actually little bit more

1681
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 9: important at this moment.

1682
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just I'm just saying.

1683
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 9: I mean, you want you want me to also write

1684
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 9: in here who we're going to draft at all these positions?

1685
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: No, you can tell me that later. I look smart

1686
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: and give you tell me that later in secret. Well

1687
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: we are looking I mean, yeah, you know we are.

1688
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: We are anticipating. I should say, to get some compensatory

1689
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: uh pick? When do you find that out?

1690
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 9: Do you know we'll see you know, see, I don't

1691
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 9: know exactly what they like that next week. Yeah, it's coming,

1692
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 9: it's close, it's got to come up. Yeah, it's coming

1693
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 9: up soon. So I mean that's that, that'll be something

1694
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 9: again that'll help us. And you lose some players, some

1695
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 9: players that went on to play well at other spots,

1696
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 9: and we're happy for those guys, but also you get

1697
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 9: those picks in return.

1698
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, all right, well, good luck with it. Thanks man,

1699
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: appreciate you.

1700
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 3: Joining coach. I appreciate good luck at your work done

1701
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 3: this week. That's Bill's head coach, Sean McDermott. He'll take

1702
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 3: a break.

1703
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 1: I'll be back with morn.

1704
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 3: He're on one Bill's Live. There's anybody can line to health.

1705
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:27,440
Speaker 7: It's bubble of bit freeey.

1706
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: Back here at the twenty twenty five NFL combine in Indianapolis,

1707
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. One final segment to go,

1708
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: And after talking with coach, I would say there were

1709
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: two things that stuck out in that conversation. The first

1710
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 2: one I asked him about his special teams coordinator higher

1711
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 2: Chris Tabor, and I said, how high on the priority

1712
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: list was prior coaching experience in that.

1713
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 3: Role at the pro level. He said, very high?

1714
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 2: Why because he had and had a special teams coordinator

1715
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: with prior experience in that position at the NFL level

1716
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:11,520
Speaker 2: since twenty eighteen was the last two special teams coordinators

1717
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: hired here had not been a special teams coordinator at

1718
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 2: the NFL level before.

1719
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: Right, we'll see if it makes a difference. Certainly, Chris

1720
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: Tabor's got some I got a resume that's better than

1721
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: any of the guys who recently were his predecessors. But

1722
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, yeah, he said it was important,

1723
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: and he made sure it was what. Oh, you got it.

1724
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: Now you got a file there.

1725
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: I got a thing that I crunched some numbers on

1726
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 2: with Chris Tabor.

1727
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: Here we go.

1728
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: So twenty five top ten finishes in the four primary

1729
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,839
Speaker 2: special teams disciplines, eleven top five finishes.

1730
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: But that means punt, punt return, kickoff, kickoff correct. Yeah,

1731
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: that's great. It comes. Hey, I'm coaching matters, no question,

1732
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:00,879
Speaker 1: It's about players.

1733
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 2: And I was encouraged too because you know that coach

1734
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 2: mc thermod asked him, Hey, you were out of the

1735
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 2: league last year. You did not experience the dynamic kickoff firsthand. Yeah,

1736
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: you're coming in blind, And he says Oh no, I'm not,

1737
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 2: because I've been doing studies on it all season long,

1738
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: watching what everybody else is doing. So when you're not

1739
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 2: immersed in it and you can just observe it, maybe

1740
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 2: that's maybe that's a benefit too.

1741
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly it's it's not going to hurt him, and

1742
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: he'll be able and if you're sitting there it Certainly

1743
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a chance to implement any of his

1744
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: ideas because he didn't have a team to direct, but

1745
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: that doesn't won't stop him from reaching out talking to

1746
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: other guys, seeing what they do on watching what guys

1747
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 1: do on film, and being having a good handle on

1748
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: what they're trying. So yeah, I'm certainly this experience is

1749
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: going to help him.

1750
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm encouraged because I want to believe, with his veteran

1751
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: experience as a special teams coordinator in this league, that

1752
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 2: he's going to put his players in position to not

1753
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: only play sound, fundamental football, but to maybe give this

1754
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: team an edge in the special teams phase of the

1755
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: game that we probably haven't seen in a while.

1756
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now we haven't been completely beref to that. I mean,

1757
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Bass counts towards this. I mean, well, yes, I

1758
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: mean the sixty one yard ery hit. I mean he

1759
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: kicked extremely well coming down the stretch. For this, He's

1760
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: a weapon. He's been a real weapon. And I think

1761
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 1: he had a year where he had a bad taste

1762
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: in his mouth about how twenty twenty three ended with

1763
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: the miskick in the Kansas City game. He couldn't let

1764
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: that go and he came back and I think made

1765
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: amends for that. He had a really good stretch in

1766
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: the playoffs, sanity in the second half of this season.

1767
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: And other than that, you got to go back where

1768
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: the Naheem Heinz had two kick returns in the New

1769
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: England game after the Damar Hamlin incident in twenty twenty three,

1770
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 1: where they don't win that game without him.

1771
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 3: No, no, they don't.

1772
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: But then, of course there's the other side of the coin,

1773
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: the twelve men on the field against Denver and a

1774
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,799
Speaker 1: missfield goal to in it, the overtime punt return to

1775
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: lose the Jet game opening weekend last.

1776
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 2: Year, the Rams game, don't field the punt with eight

1777
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 2: seconds left and let it bounce in the end zone.

1778
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: The game's over games over not being in defense safe

1779
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: in that game.

1780
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So there's all of that is in the mix.

1781
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: Even opening game this last year, twenty twenty four, the

1782
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: Bills finally get a comfortable lead up by eleven and

1783
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Arizona bang kick. The ensuing kickoff goes the just ones

1784
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: andnounced back to a three game, three point game. So yeah,

1785
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: they've there have been both sides of that coin. I

1786
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: would love it if they just leveled it out so

1787
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: that you could count on not having a play go

1788
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: hard against you, even if you don't get it. I'm

1789
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: playing your favor Just don't give them one, all right,

1790
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: start there.

1791
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,799
Speaker 2: Second thing the coach said that I found very interesting.

1792
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 2: I asked him about adding speed to the roster, and

1793
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 2: he said, yes, we value speed, but speed and small no,

1794
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 2: speed and size.

1795
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 3: Yes.

1796
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever heard him be more

1797
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 2: specific about speed before on his roster.

1798
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: And it was very talent And well that may have

1799
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,879
Speaker 1: something to say about why they weren't afraid to trade

1800
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: Worthy for Coleman. Yeah, or trade the pick, trade the

1801
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: pain Worthy right trade to pick. Yeah, that tells you

1802
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot. And he's got a very good point. I mean,

1803
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: I remember when God rest his soul. Dick Juron was

1804
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Bills. His philosophy was get

1805
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: me faster guys, faster guys, faster guys at every position. Well,

1806
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: now you got two hundred and forty pounds defensive ends

1807
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: that are on IR because they can't hold up in

1808
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 1: the impact. You got seventeen guys one year, nineteen guys

1809
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: the next all on IR. You're going in with five

1810
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: starters that you had in opening day.

1811
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 2: And I don't think that just applies to receiver or

1812
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: defensive end. It applies to cornerback. What have they taken

1813
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 2: owner the last several years, big long, limbed corners six

1814
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 2: one plus.

1815
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: And I get it too. And that's an answer as

1816
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: well to you know, the Jamar Chases of the world

1817
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: and the Keon Coleman's of the world and Mark Cooper's

1818
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: of the world. These guys are all six one six

1819
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: two or bigger and heavy and fast. You gotta have

1820
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: a body to sustain that velocity when it runs into you,

1821
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: and light guys, small guys don't, no matter how fast

1822
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: they are.

1823
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 2: We have another jam packed show for you tomorrow as

1824
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: we have NFL Networks Charles Davis, Mark Ross and from

1825
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 2: ESPN their draft analyst Jordan reed. We will see you

1826
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 2: tomorrow for more, at one