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Speaker 1: I think he's basically saying, like you know a lot

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Speaker 1: And we know beat outs already craft in that list, Man,

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Speaker 2: Vividly remember what was it like shave shade from all

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Speaker 2: they're saying that. That thinking allowed me to move covertly

434
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: for a lot of years, like try to figure things

435
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: out when I open my YouTube today or when I

436
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 2: turned on my Hulu or the streaming and I see

437
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: this shit everywhere. I told you so. Score one for

438
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: the good guys. Does it feel real I told you so?

439
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 2: Or just yeah? But I mean, you don't get nothing

440
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: from that. Like all you can do is say gotcha

441
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: and move on with it.

442
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: Right, so you don't look at your thing like with

443
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: the high ninety seven things back with the morning show

444
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: thing in your in your mind that just wasn't meant

445
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: to be these that's something I need.

446
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: But let's say you could have went that pathway. Let's

447
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: say if you just a dedicated to it. I learned

448
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: quickly and again my vision was after rap that I

449
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: would be on a morning show, right. But by the

450
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: time it was time to stop rapping New York morning shows.

451
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: They wasn't letting go of those seats Like that was

452
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: my first realization of oh shit, I'm not gonna get

453
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: the morning show. These niggas are not leaving these seats.

454
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 2: Flex Is still these ways and then called me Jeane

455
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: Spending them called me when they're creating the breakfast Club,

456
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm at the fucking dinner wherever. We are coming up

457
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: with names, and I'm like, you were next up, you

458
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: were next on our list. But once that's happening, and

459
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: it's like now what like now what is that? What

460
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: does that look like? And it looked like it looked

461
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: like this, But nah, I couldn't do the radio hip

462
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 2: the radio. New York paid paid, New York Morning Show

463
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: paid what I needed to be paid. So when New York,

464
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: when they wouldn't letting go to seats, it was like,

465
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: all right, could I go to Chicago New Morning Show? Wow?

466
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: Could I go to La And do they answer to that?

467
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: For me was no, Like I'm a very New York

468
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 2: abrasive sometimes could come off rude if you don't know right,

469
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: like that's New York, it's New York stuff. I can't

470
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: there's plenty of places I probably should move for financial

471
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: reasons or LA for work. Right, everybody else they left.

472
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: I can't leave. I can't leave. I don't know. I

473
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: don't do it. Sorry, sound man. No, there's a there's

474
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: a certain grit, there's a certain work ethic that comes

475
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: with New York. The fucking sun don't come up in

476
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: l A to a one pm. I'll be up at

477
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: five in l A in the dark. Nothing on TV.

478
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: Can't on the room shirt, Why the fucking my out here?

479
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: Get me the fun out here? Anything? But yeah, it's not.

480
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: It's just not conducive for like work for me in Miami.

481
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: When I go out there, I want to party. I

482
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: want to go to the pool. I don't want to work.

483
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: Not New York, Not New York. I won't work right.

484
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: Everything is working out for you? Get this? How enjoyable?

485
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: Was the Ultra show? The greatest that was in Vegas early?

486
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: It was the greatest. But listen, I wanted to catch

487
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: him last year and I did not like just because

488
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm not a show go or. I put it off, procrastinating,

489
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: and then he ran the shows to New Year's Eve

490
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: and I was like New Year's Eve there and I

491
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: couldn't go because of work. So this time I said, no,

492
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm booking a flight me and my girl Vegas. Usher.

493
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: It was fight week. I wasn't thinking nothing about that,

494
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: just Duck and everybody else. Everybody was out there for

495
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 2: the fight, not he came for Usher. I was on daytime.

496
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: I'm with my girl. It's ushers dinner, it's picks like.

497
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: It ain't rapper time, it ain't fucking media time. You

498
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: niggas go to that fight, right, what's that list? Settlers

499
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: for strong joint two and a half hours? Wow? They

500
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: can't beat him in a versus. Nobody can beat me

501
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: an verses. I don't know that. I left that show

502
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: saying we don't give Usher respect that he deserves. And

503
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: I know that sounds silly because it's Usher. Yeah, but

504
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: I bought uh can you get with it? In ninety

505
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: three wow, thirty years Yeah? Yeah, he was up there.

506
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: He did the City Girl song, he did this feature,

507
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: he did his song. He yeah, his timeline, and I

508
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: spoke about on my podcast. By just seeing all the

509
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: people there and support from La Reads and Jad's and

510
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: just the people that were important in his run, that

511
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: she was tear jerking for me powerful? Right?

512
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: How about them, Joe butten fans? I know they still

513
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: want you to get back on stage. You ever thought

514
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: about that? Give us some thought.

515
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: Understand, even if I put it, I'm not gonna say

516
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 2: they're still a demand though for you to perform. Right?

517
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: How would I know? I mean social media at the time.

518
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: I don't ask him about it.

519
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: So you mean to tell me that Joe Budden music

520
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: fans aren't still interested in you perform like a move music.

521
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: They don't really bother me too much. Really, No, I

522
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: think what I set out to do and standing firm

523
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: and retirement so that they don't, I think it. I

524
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: think the test turn.

525
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think rappers ever retired, But I think

526
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: you started to convince.

527
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: Me that they do. Listen. I like how I can't

528
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: say hold no more because he don't put out too

529
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: many albums. I like. I like how he does it though,

530
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: I like how Andre does it, like one verse of year.

531
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: I'll let y'all know him better than all y'all still

532
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: like I like, I like all that stuff. I can't

533
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: bring myself to do it yet.

534
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: So do you think that the Joe Budden music fan

535
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: is a Joe Budden podcast fan. The two different fans.

536
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: What do you think is the difference?

537
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what the difference is between the two.

538
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: I think there's an intersection, a cross. But as a broadcaster,

539
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: my voice is more powerful than than it ever was

540
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: as a rapper. Like you just reach more, you speak

541
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: to more. I can say more without having to rhyme

542
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: and the stanza and the punchline and metaphor this in

543
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: the lead, this worry, in the very strong start, the

544
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: very strong bust of my hook like this, it's like

545
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: a box. It's a box that you have to stand.

546
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 2: And as a rapper my voice might not have been

547
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: the most desirable for some people, fucking my hooks. Like

548
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: whatever you didn't like about him, you didn't like. But

549
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 2: in broadcasting his voice, don't an that. He's got got

550
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: some opinions. I like it's different. You can do voiceovers.

551
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: They never booked me, really, you know why, Just like

552
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: I said about New York Radio, these voiceover niggas are

553
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: not on that James Earl Jones fucking with the other nigga,

554
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: the State Farm nigga. My man, they not letting go

555
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: of these goods. Man, Wow, I want to go off

556
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: to w and me too, my little this is a

557
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: barbecue Buffalo Wings. I never get to they'd be souping

558
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: me up too. Last year I thought I had one

559
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 2: because hey, we got sixty seconds the Super Bowl. They

560
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: want to run into Buffalo Wild, Like, let's try out

561
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: your new Buffalo Wild Wings. It's like if my voice

562
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: come on in a super Bowl. They thought the conflict

563
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: Liss had a man they never had. I never get

564
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: to get. I never get to get wow acting. I

565
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: took acting classes for real years ago. See that's why

566
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: these niggas can't fuck with me. I know what I'm

567
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: doing because I tried to go do everything. I tried

568
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: to go do it, try to act acting class. I

569
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: was killing it. Got a roll too, gotta rule, but

570
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: one for me? What was the role? Fucking what I

571
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: didn't You didn't do it, I didn't do it. You

572
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 2: read for the part, got the role. I read. I auditioned.

573
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: I went to some fancy, fancy acting coach for months.

574
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: She loved. She did amazing work with me. By the

575
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: time I was finished with her, I was that dude

576
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: whoever he was right, So it was fly. But that's

577
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: not me at my core.

578
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: Well, you did kind of appear on a small screen

579
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: on television, got mentioned Elementary love it right, How did

580
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: that feel when you heard about that?

581
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: Oh, the top of the world, top of the world,

582
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: top of the world organically right, Like I love when

583
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: shows like like that and people I admire and funk

584
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: with and create like that. I love when the world's cross.

585
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: So it's like that was like a head nod by them.

586
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: Didn't have to be done, but it was a salute

587
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: from one black creator to another Black That was powerful

588
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: for me. Has there been moments like that? Or and

589
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: it's got the kids into me? Had the kids in it?

590
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: It was like love, they got the kids into me,

591
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: the kids in school. Joe Budden, that bullshit is sticking.

592
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: It is sticking. Stay motivated, baby, listen man, that's why

593
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: you do it. To wake up one day and see

594
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: Abbage Elementary. You shout out, wake up one day, you

595
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: wake up, grab the phone and say what's gonna be

596
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: in store today? Like a Cameron like Abby, don't even

597
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: whatever it is. What we're doing right, fantas section is dope.

598
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: But how do you develop shows on YouTube like you

599
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: have Besides of Joe Budden podcast, you have humans.

600
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: I wait until I get enough money to do it. Oh,

601
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: it's really just the bottom line. I got a million

602
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: ideas in my head. But yeah, but I'm funding on

603
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: my own ship, so let's slow down. So how do

604
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: you vet who goes on? Humans? Because you had like

605
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: the story, the storytelling story. Fans kill me because I

606
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: had like four white dudes in a row. I've been

607
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: talking to every rapper, every black person for twitter years.

608
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: Four white people and they start killing me. But uh,

609
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: just story Rob O'Neil Navy six, the man killed Ben Laden. Yeah,

610
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: I want to hear from him. Uh Colin the guy

611
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: that did the fucking ever climbed every mound mount Ever,

612
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: that's an interesting story to me, Like I want to

613
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: hear about that. I just want to hear stories, not

614
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: so much people. But do you prep, Like, do you

615
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: research journalist types before I even read a little bit

616
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: of they books. Read a little bit of the book too.

617
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: They always got a book, they always got it, They

618
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: always got a book. I read a little bit of

619
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: the book, do a little bit of research. I throw

620
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: a little Joe pos ass and there, and then be

621
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: off to the racist man. What do you think the keys?

622
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Because you've always said, like with the YACHTI thing, you

623
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: was a novice in interviewing and it didn't go to

624
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: where you wanted to go, and it became this thing,

625
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: and then now it's actually made a lot of improvement.

626
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: What do you think is the key of how you

627
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: become a better interviewer? Talking and speaking to different people

628
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: for sure, and just watching yourself. That yachty interview is cringed.

629
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: It's cringe to me because I just wouldn't shut the

630
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: fuck up. Like one of the best things about interviewing

631
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: and the best interviews is they shut the fuck up.

632
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: So that was that took conscious effort for me to

633
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: learn how to shut the bug up. Most of those humans,

634
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm not talking at all, it's them talking.

635
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: But from the yachty interview, you got these funny ass

636
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: memes that always circulate online, you know from your days

637
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: at complex. What do you think about that when you see,

638
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: like you know, a gift of you is being used

639
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: to articulate a statement or something that you have done,

640
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: that's a loaded question for me to be done. On

641
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: the fun side of that, it's fun and entertaining and

642
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: there's a value in being memeable, right or meme worthy.

643
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: When I was at Complex, that was something they identified

644
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: I learned a lot of Complex. They identified that earlier. Hey,

645
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: when the second he gets here, we just gonna mean

646
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: him out.

647
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: They were really good. They were really good at that

648
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: us together magic. But on the flip side of that,

649
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: when you think about the business of memes and the

650
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: business of our voices, all of us, I mean all

651
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: of us, not just us. Anybody putting their voice on Instagram,

652
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: it says original audio right there, you record it, it's yours,

653
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: and it's there. Someone is getting paid from this shit.

654
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 2: This is publishing. That's true. So memes, our memes are

655
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: used to drive traffic, and if traffic is being driven,

656
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: then there's money going somewhere in the's business to be done.

657
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: But when it comes to us, we just enjoyed the laugh,

658
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: the hahay. Oh it does nothing, nothing for me. So

659
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: I can't use no more Joe. Butden you yo. The

660
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 2: Jets used a little piece of the Jets when they

661
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: Announcedaron Rodgers, I get excited about you like that? What

662
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: clip that they used? I didn't see it. It was

663
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: me from when Daniel Jones got drafted. I think it

664
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh, they did a cool little content piece

665
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: of everybody just going crazy. That's cool, starting to jump

666
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: off it. Listen Bleacher Report anytime something happens. They used

667
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: me and that Daniel Jones footage some more. So it's like, awesome,

668
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: that's that's great. But that you're you're in a partnership

669
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: with me, and we don't have a partnership, right, so

670
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: stop it, but shout out the leader vibe respected. I

671
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I don't want to sound like that. Right.

672
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: So with the launch of the Joe Butden network, how

673
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: many years has it been? There? Never less fun of them.

674
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: It's like, oh shit, I gotta do something.

675
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: I was going to say, are you creating any more

676
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: partnerships and bringing more people into the network?

677
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: Slow down? And I'm not. I don't know. I don't

678
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: know about that one. People. I don't like people. People

679
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: really grind my gears. Joe yeah, man, people. Yeah, it's

680
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: a lot, it's a lot. I feel like that was

681
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: a big part of shit imploding, winning and bloded. Just

682
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: too many people now, too many interests to look after,

683
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: too many agendas and motives and selfish. I can't I can't,

684
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: I can't worry.

685
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: About all that, right, And like twenty fifteen, you talk

686
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: about that shift. Was that at the same time you

687
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: decided to name the podcast the Joe Button Podcast.

688
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Why he always put his like journalistic voice on? Is

689
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 2: that my journalist's voice? Yeah? I just want to be clear.

690
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: You don't do that, do you that? On TV? This

691
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: is my speaking voice? Yeah? You what's up this guy?

692
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: I just want to be clear because a lot of

693
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: times people say I sound like you only soprano or something.

694
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: You're cooler than you, James. Your niggas be cooler than this.

695
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: But what's the question? I forgot?

696
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: I was gonna say the name change for you named

697
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: this podcast lady and turned it to the Joe Budden Podcast,

698
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 3: and then Joe Budden Network.

699
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: Like was that happening around the same time. No, no, no, no, no, no,

700
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: none at all. I'll name this podcast later. It was

701
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, okay, I want to say shortly after that

702
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: we changed the name. Was it conscious just to name

703
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: it after you couldn't search my ship? No, we just

704
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: wanted to change the name. I thought that Joe Budden

705
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: Podcast was the dumbest name for a podcast in the world,

706
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: and I really liked our name this podcast. Lady c

707
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 2: has a title. I'm on the creative side of things.

708
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: So when it when they was like, yo, nobody can

709
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: find this ship. You gotta change the name, right, I

710
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well, let me think of something creative

711
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: that is more findable. I guess it was like, how

712
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: about the Joe Budden podcast that remember you talking to

713
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: the guy that when it was time to sign my

714
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: deaf gym contract in death Jam, I didn't have a

715
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: rapper name. M h. That's how I became Joe Budden.

716
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: It's a good name. But my point is, at some

717
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: point I want to not be Joe Budden, right, I

718
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: want to be my creative, crazy, wild self, and they

719
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: always make me go back to Joe. Butden Raging the

720
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: Machine Man a rap I tried to brand that group

721
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: as as Rage in the Machine or some ship because

722
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: it is a raging ship. But they was like, no,

723
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: there is there's a credit score that comes along with

724
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: each of our names. And Joe Budden for all of

725
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: the bashing the internet has done. When people type it

726
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: in in the back, yeah, they're like, oh no, I

727
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: remember when was the drone came out?

728
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: They say out of Pressley saying we should call him

729
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: the drone, like not jay Z, Kanye and nobody, nobody

730
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: flew with that, so you know that's hard.

731
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Just call him the drone. And as soon as they

732
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: said that, nigga start throwing shot. Yeah, if they would

733
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: have thrown them them shots would have lasted a little

734
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: bit because it's too easy. It's too easy to throw

735
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: we met raising the machine. Do you listen to your

736
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: old music? Yeah? Still yes, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah I do.

737
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: I do my AMP show Mondays and Thursday five to

738
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: seven pm Eastern Standard time, but I try to always

739
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: sneak in a Joe joint just to hear growth because

740
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: I don't remember a lot of the verses. I don't

741
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: remember where I was at the time. But when I listened,

742
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: it's true penmanship and it's like, damn, you was on

743
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: some shit right, Like I listened for memory. What it's

744
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: like your favorite era of Joe Butden music of Joe

745
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: Butden music, all of them, all of them, because it

746
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: wasn't that's ever about the music. The music was just

747
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: to kind of hold me along time I figured it out.

748
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: But my debut, I remember me and my mom times Square,

749
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: my whole family at Virgin whatever the story that was

750
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: in Times Square buying CDs like that was a moment

751
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 2: for me. The turbulence between my first album and trying

752
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: to get a second album out. I needed that. I

753
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: needed that. I think it was called the Growth, right,

754
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: that was supposed to be see and that's why as

755
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 2: a magazine, Yeah, well because that Jim. They was trying

756
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 2: to get it out at some point. But dog single right, yeah,

757
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: yeah exactly, doggangst the party And it wasn't a jay

758
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: Z sample on one of the songs. I think stunting, stunting.

759
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: But that's when. But listen, that's what I'm saying. Between

760
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: album one and album two, Leo and keV and all

761
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: the niggas that have kind of curated New York for

762
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: forty fifty years, leave insert l A Reed, the man

763
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: who's kind of curated R and B and Atlanta for

764
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: and I'm a New York rapper, New Jersey rapper. One No,

765
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: but I needed that information. Then from there it's like,

766
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: all right, what do you do? Oh shit, I want

767
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: to be mixtapes, moo music, all of them. I love them,

768
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: near and near and dear to me. Then I did

769
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: a digital project only in nine and everybody laughed at

770
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: that but it was like I see where something is headed.

771
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to trying to see what's going on. And

772
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: I did a group all of these different phases. I

773
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: mean I needed them as what I'm trying to say,

774
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: all of them right, and from the group on E

775
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: one and the group to shave didn't loving hip hop,

776
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: I throw that at me. I needed all that too.

777
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: I needed the radio. The battle would hollow anything I

778
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: did that was ever a little obscure. I needed it. Yeah,

779
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: and you were early on that U stream too, U

780
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: stream uh blog TV Uh there was another one. There

781
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: was another one they all defund now periscope or something

782
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: like that, periscope as periscope. Yeah, man, look you know

783
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: the vibe was there. I was there. Yeah, this is early.

784
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Those were those were fun days man.

785
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: But even embracing the YouTube, like nobody the artist was

786
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: really doing that, like a lot of that base. You

787
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: built that base off your YouTube audience, right, you had

788
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: built this. I knew you and Ian had strategized about

789
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: building that up. And you hadn't even seen the vision

790
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: at first.

791
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: At all at all. But I challenging en, like yo, man,

792
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: you got you got one hundred and fifty thousand people

793
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: sitting there, two hundred thousand people sitting there. It's a

794
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: good base to start owing this shit. I always tell

795
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: a story of Ian coming to me. I'm trying to

796
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a house, but not the right way.

797
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to rent some stupid, big ass house

798
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 2: because it's not important. But Ian was coming to me. Look, man,

799
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: fucking made two hundred dollars from YouTube this month. Two

800
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. I need like fifty grand to get into

801
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: this house, and Ian's supposed to be getting it right.

802
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 2: But he coming to me super excited that we made

803
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars this month total on YouTube. He's showing

804
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: you money, printed it out.

805
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 4: He said, Joe, look, buddy, this video madeor twenty five cent.

806
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him like your dog. I could smack

807
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: this shit out of you right now if you keep

808
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: telling me about this twenty video.

809
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: He said, it's twenty five cent today, Buddy, I love you.

810
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: He's right, nough right for nobody wants to hear that shit.

811
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: It's twenty five cent today. But in a few years,

812
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: but sure enough, man, I.

813
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: Mean, how much speak a little bit more? Ian?

814
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Like the fact that you know you NIWCHORLESTI talked about

815
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: how you had so many bad deals and.

816
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: Did my life. Yeah, he and changed my entire life,

817
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: everything about my life. And I'm saying that it's somebody

818
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: who actively searched for managers. I let the audience know

819
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: that certain positions are just tough to feel because they're

820
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: so important, uh, and they require so much trust. Managers.

821
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: One personal assistant is another business accountant. Like, there's a

822
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: few of them. And I had a lot of bad

823
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 2: experiences with management, which is probably why my career looked

824
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: the way that it looked, because it was real late

825
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: when Cherry told me, I don't care how good you

826
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: are as an artist, your own only as good as

827
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: your manager. I told you this. Cherry told me this

828
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: just run around me. But this was in twenty fourteen.

829
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: She said this, right, I'm at the end of the fight,

830
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: at the end of the road here. Now you want

831
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: to tell me this. But and then I was trying

832
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: to find a manager, right who saw my vision for

833
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: where I wanted to go in media and content and

834
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: not so much music. So think about that. I'm approaching

835
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: people saying, hey, I don't want to do what I'm

836
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: known for and I don't want to do what I've

837
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: only done my whole life, Like you're asking somebody to

838
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: see a lot of vision. And Ian did that. He

839
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: understood that, I guess coming from his Howard Stern tree,

840
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: and he nurtured that. He nurtured that. My first two

841
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: years with End. When did it ends come along? I

842
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: don't remember now it's been so long, probably about eight

843
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: nine years. My first two to three years with En

844
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: wasn't the bettert wasn't there because he was like making

845
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: me be responsible, like he was putting me on an

846
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: allowance and he was holding me accountable and he was

847
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: he just did some different things and I was screaming

848
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: on it. Now I was I raid. And he had

849
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: heard stories about Joe. You're gonna work with Joe, which

850
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: I refute those stories if you're here any of the men.

851
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: But uh, and then he's coming along and I'm only

852
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: podcasting and there's no money in podcasting, which could make

853
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: this relationship strenuous because now I'm gonna be on the

854
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: phone everyone like what the fuck are you doing? Yo? Like,

855
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: and what am I doing? If you're doing this? Like

856
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: the chips the ducks fell where they were supposed to fall,

857
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: and it couldn't have happened without he has been there,

858
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: the force behind all this ship. I will go to war, fam,

859
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: I will fight from against any of these niggas out here.

860
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: He's been He's been that impactful. Not just to me though,

861
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: not just to me, but they know that out there,

862
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: like the people that know that, they know that. So

863
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: how long was it until you started seeing real money?

864
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: What's real money? Well better than two hundred dollars oh

865
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: from YouTube? Yeah? Oh?

866
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: Years, Like you're right, trusts, it took years because I

867
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: think there is a misconception about podcasting is that everyone

868
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 3: is just like swimming in money.

869
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's podcaster's fault. You hit that on the

870
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: fucking head. God, I just said this all the other day.

871
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: Podcasters out there making it sound like, uh, bumping into

872
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: a million dollars is super Mario jumping to get a muscle.

873
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: That's how easy they make it sound to bump into

874
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: a million dollars, and all of them do it so

875
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: and I understand why, but it's not that easy. It's

876
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: not that easy. The people that are in these meetings

877
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: and the people that you got to have these talks

878
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: with and the board that got to approve this, and no,

879
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: it ain't easy at all, So that's our fault. We

880
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: all did that much cap. Too much cap, yeah, podcast good, Yeah,

881
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: it's too much cap. When Spotify Game came with that deal,

882
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: we was high fiving, but we was high fiving because

883
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, there weren't many places that we're offering

884
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: that type of coin for your product. And what they did,

885
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: along with some other people companies, it kind of changed

886
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: the mold and it sent shock waves to the community

887
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: to say, hey, this is safe to bet on, like

888
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: you can invest in this. When the Spotify contract ran out,

889
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: I knew that I would be on my own, but

890
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: it was fine because I got the information. Like, once

891
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: I have the information, we are right now.

892
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: Do you feel like independence is the move because you

893
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: look at yourself lad to assertance to academics, Jumper feels

894
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: like like the independent forces is now becoming as bigger,

895
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: bigger than the established.

896
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: We're way bigger, way bigger than the establishing way bigger,

897
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: in my humble opinion, way bigger. Like when I open

898
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: the podcast chart and see one hundred and fifty podcasts

899
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: ahead of me, they all are big budget television shows,

900
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 2: it's dateline, it's a bunch of apps. So yeah, no,

901
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: we're here now. They got to deal with they have

902
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: to deal with it. I can't speak for everybody else

903
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: because it's too much captain streets. Like we said, for me,

904
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: independence is always going to be the way until you

905
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: find unless you find the right partner and blah blah

906
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: blah blah, like David portannoying them. They got they were

907
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: able to get their investment money or early. Hey you

908
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: got fifteen twenty million so I could build my shin

909
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 2: and come back to you and we I don't, nobody

910
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: do definitely, So this has to go a little differently, right, And.

911
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: You said the fuck tards fucked up touring and then

912
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: you turned down a seven figure touring situation.

913
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: It turned out I just didn't go. I guess that

914
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: is turning in for why not Joe? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

915
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: you stopped doing the pot tour, said you don't want

916
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 2: to do it? Why hell? We damn that killed ourselves

917
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: last time we went on tour and did two pods

918
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: a week. Like, it's a lot of work and being

919
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: a showman. If you've ever been on the stage, it's

920
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: a lot of work. It's a lot of work. So

921
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: already in the middle of a rebuild, I didn't think

922
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: that touring was the best thing to do. It was

923
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: time to go back to the drawing board and build.

924
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: But I won't throw you in under the bus. But

925
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: some people were ambitious. Some people were a little a

926
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: little ambitious. He did a Downstates and then you just

927
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: changed your mind. Yeah, yeah, but I was telling him that.

928
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: I was telling him. I changed my mind as soon

929
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: as that. I was like, stop, yeah, what are we

930
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: what are we doing? But it's seven figures seven figures,

931
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, a lot of meanings, but no, because

932
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 2: I feel like you the read I probably forgetting.

933
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 3: Some others were like eight eighty five self, well, well

934
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: like pioneering as far as touring goes, bring the show

935
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 3: on the road, and it seems like it was almost

936
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: like another source of income for you guys.

937
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it can be that for people if

938
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: developed right, right, But touring, touring always has so much

939
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: to do with how the economy is doing. So an

940
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: economy for the last five years is man, then I'm

941
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna kill like some fancy jo but mics just this

942
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 2: is a fancy This is my ship. You could well yeah, no, no,

943
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: no touring, no touring right now, right Like if I

944
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: were to planned, I could see next summer. I could

945
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: see next summer. And it just do like select cities.

946
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: Blow it out, stay there week in two shows, get

947
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: the fuck out. What was that first time?

948
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: Know when you hit the stage, like you know you

949
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: used to performing as an artist, realizing, oh, people are

950
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: just here to hear me talk like I have a same.

951
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: Proud I'll be honest with you, I wasn't. It took

952
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: convincing for me. I didn't. I didn't see it.

953
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember we did. When I did Crown a

954
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: lot of interviewthing with Tyler. They wanted to put on

955
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: a ticket. This is a conversation. It's not because they

956
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: thought people would be like I got jipped, Like he

957
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: didn't perform, he didn't do any songs.

958
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: It's not meet and greeting.

959
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: So you know, then it sold out and it was like, oh,

960
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: people will pay to watch conversations.

961
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: See and it takes you doing that. Right. When I

962
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 2: used to go to the venues and sell out at

963
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: the end of the night, everybody that worked at the

964
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 2: venue would be hind five and mean saying what a pleasure.

965
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: It is for y'all to come back. And I had

966
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: no idea that such a peaceful event could happen here

967
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: with just somebody sitting on the couch and speaking. I

968
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: didn't play no music, There was no fights. Everyone out

969
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: here has seated. People are here on they like. We

970
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: had to show venues that it was a market for that.

971
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: We always got a show, We always got to show.

972
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: So we did it all. Right, what do you think

973
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: the future of it's going to be. It's a luxury

974
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: ticket now, not for the brokies. I've been saying that.

975
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: I've been saying that it's a luxury ticket. It's a

976
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: luxury ticket. Now it's a luxury item. It's a luxury item. Wow,

977
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: with all of the festivals and rolling lound and just

978
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: everybody dumping the money into it again, like podcasts, they

979
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: made their bet. So that now that they made their bet,

980
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: we own the venues, we owned the land. We're going

981
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: to move this thing around. We'll get the permits. We

982
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: know the cops. And it's tougher for you now to

983
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: do your either a Chitlin circuit run or to set

984
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: up your own run with your venues. And you're getting

985
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: into smaller venues, so you got to raise the price

986
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: on the ticket. So now you're charging somebody one hundred

987
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars. Go to so OB's all right, right,

988
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: And that's the show that I'll go to, Like, I

989
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: don't know when this is coming out, I'm going to

990
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: see Jozzy and sobs Puff's artists, like I like to

991
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: try to catch him at that level.

992
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: So what's it like seeing your co hosts become I

993
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: guess you could say stars in their own right. I mean,

994
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 3: Melissa has kind of been established, but seemed like Ice.

995
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: And Ish and I love it. I love it. I'm

996
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: happy and proud of them. But they don't speak to

997
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: me too much about their experience. Found They don't talk

998
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: about it, but I from the store. Yeah, they won't

999
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: even win the jewry around me. It's that type of ship.

1000
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: But I'm real happy for them. I always saw it

1001
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: in Ice. I've told him forever you should do a pod.

1002
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: I actually told it's the same thing because he's just

1003
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: argumentative by nature. So to be able to do it

1004
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: with them and with Flip and with Melissa and with

1005
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: In and Parks and just gang Gang is in the Fox,

1006
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah part far. Yeah, my man, that's is the best

1007
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: sound in best sound in the game, best sound in

1008
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: the gay.

1009
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: I hate these positives. The audios is little.

1010
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: Gotta be having a rush. I'll be trying to put

1011
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 2: on the part and get in the shower and then

1012
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: the audio come on or ad come on, I gotta

1013
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: rush out the shower, nked and wet slam the fucking

1014
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: sh ship. Hate as I don't hate asks. Don't put

1015
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: that out here. That's not true. I hate the money

1016
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: do it. I hate out it's done. I just hate

1017
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: I was done. I yo. I believe that we're all

1018
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: worth more, all of us. That's that's what I think,

1019
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: and I act like that. So No, when McDonald's calls,

1020
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm not doing the twenty five hundred dollars read you're

1021
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: McDonald you're mc donald's and I'm me. I'm no longer

1022
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: licensing my audience for cheap and to anybody. No, you

1023
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: got to pick up the phone and have a conversation

1024
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: with me for us to see where we're going. What's

1025
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: your business, what are you trying to do? What do

1026
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: you need? Who are you? Who are you and what

1027
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: are you trying to do? Don't come over here. And pillage,

1028
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: just pillaging, pillaging. So if you can find a way

1029
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 2: around that and still keep the audio experience the same, great,

1030
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: And then it weeds out the bullshit right for me,

1031
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: it's like it's like having a high cover at the

1032
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 2: door of the club, like I don't I'm not charging

1033
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: for dollar the club. I'm not because now all y'all

1034
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: in here, the chick you fucking from high schools in here,

1035
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: fucking hood niggas, a dope boybody, now get that out

1036
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: of here. Weed it out. Some people that call now

1037
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: they know, they know what they're calling for, and they

1038
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: know what it costs. It's amazing how these niggas keep

1039
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: going from a million dollars to fiftyf the phone. Have

1040
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: the phone? You do that, right? They have a good day.

1041
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: I hope it gets bad. Right, And so you got

1042
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: the Patreon. It seems like you have the different level tiers, right,

1043
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: everybody paid you different level tears. Take your journal voice off,

1044
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: give me give me the give me the list maker voice,

1045
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: give me a list maker voice. What we right? I

1046
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: think media list. I think that's the other reason that

1047
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have been beefing back the list because y'all

1048
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: off y'all was chilling this year. Well, I saw you

1049
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: about that. You talking about that old rap right on

1050
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: the new rap. Right. No, but they're different phases. You

1051
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: have different l and you nigga, I'm not doing this

1052
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: with y'all. It's two different phases, it's true. Yeah, So yeah,

1053
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to know which one we were talking about.

1054
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 2: When they're talking about my show, it's the same thing

1055
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Right about the news show? The

1056
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: same ship.

1057
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 3: I guess we're in the new list is like our

1058
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 3: third iteration, Elliott a fourth iteration. So yeah, we've been

1059
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 3: here for a while. But you know me, I don't

1060
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: care about that.

1061
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: Man. I fake work for Complex at this point, So

1062
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: I said, it would put you on the list, man,

1063
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: but you're not in a three sixty. I might be

1064
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: speedy woman. Yeah, me and speedy. But I think Joe

1065
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: definitely should have been on it, you know. Yeah, it's

1066
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: a broadcaster that that list was special to me because

1067
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: of how I exit a complex. That's that is, like

1068
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: you said, a full circle moment, that is and that

1069
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: is an insane It was a great full circle moments, insane,

1070
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: and I appreciate them for highlighting me, honoring me and

1071
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: being humble enough to do it and same with me,

1072
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: all right, Like for us to do that, I love it.

1073
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: It's great. But other than that, what's the list? Everybody

1074
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: knows me? No, I don't care about No, I don't

1075
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: give a fuck about this. So I was confused why

1076
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: I was so mad. I'm not agreeing with the list,

1077
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: all right, but if you're making a list out there

1078
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: and I'm not top ten somewhere, then you're not credible.

1079
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: But is it? Do you think?

1080
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: Because I'm the only quote unquote journalists in the top ten, right,

1081
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: So what does that stay about the state of media?

1082
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 2: Is it a bad thing?

1083
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, the scene can be kind of messy

1084
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: out here, So what does it say for the overall

1085
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: state of things? What's your take on that people journalists

1086
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: feel like, oh this is not this doesn't represent us.

1087
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Well, if this is what it looks like, well that's

1088
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: why you and mainly only you for me, is like

1089
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: really integral to this to just all of it. Like

1090
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: I tell people, if say what you want about act,

1091
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: but if something were to happen and he were to

1092
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: not be here, hip hop would feel that loss. Yep,

1093
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: there's not another one of y'all that's going to cover

1094
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: this the way that he covers it, like the same

1095
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: with you. There aren't anymore of the like I said, sway,

1096
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: but it's not it's not that we need, y'all. I

1097
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: don't want hip hop to be the void of that.

1098
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: I don't want like the real, the real niggas that

1099
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: do this to have to go to a real TV

1100
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: network And like that's corner to me, that's corny to me.

1101
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: Went on the flip side. Thank god that that little

1102
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: window open for the cycle niggas to come in. Yeah,

1103
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: the wild Yo with the Wild Rappers. That's a buzut too.

1104
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: It's like we wouldn't let you in the club, Joe Budden,

1105
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: Nori Gilly, like these are the love these are a

1106
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: lot wise going.

1107
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: I am amazed every time that Joe Williams. I've seen

1108
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: him with the President, him with he is a brand darling,

1109
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: right and I'm bigging that up. I'm bigging that up.

1110
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: Please don't this construe. I'm bigging at us, of course,

1111
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: but I bought flow Joe.

1112
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: We've seen him walk in the close. What I'm saying,

1113
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: it's so it's so odd to me, right, I can't

1114
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: like all the people that you know, Nori kicked out

1115
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: the club. Why do those types of personalities seem to

1116
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: make for good? It's insane.

1117
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 3: Right when you had nor on your show, though, Joe,

1118
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: you said you'd love to see when people are failing.

1119
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Why is that? But without context, this is what I

1120
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: was saying, and I said it already here. I was like,

1121
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: the people that don't give a funk about it, or

1122
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: won't invest in it, or just are lazy, and they

1123
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: mighty the waters and the people that just want to check.

1124
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 2: So when those two groups fail, I throw confetti from

1125
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: the sky. I'm from my jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1126
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: start making rain some ship because they shouldn't be here.

1127
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: They shouldn't be here. Good move, one less person in

1128
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: a way, A right that ruffled a lot of feathers

1129
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: out there. You know, dogs holler fuck y'all niggas. How

1130
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: about that is these niggas told me not too much

1131
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: out of there, But fuck them niggas. I'm sick of it.

1132
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm sick of these niggas. I've been quiet for ten years.

1133
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: Lists come out. Everybody want to say some ship. Say

1134
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: it ain't so Joe, it's soda.

1135
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: So he said, here's something that this If you said

1136
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: I think a January and Twitter you said somethingbody, Well,

1137
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: if you think I'm making changes on the pod, now,

1138
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: what do you see what my real kind of grand

1139
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: scheme planning.

1140
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: Got plans coming. It's just cost Yeah, like fuck any backing.

1141
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: You don't know, but you don't like it. He's open

1142
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 2: to that, welcome me. I'm open to those. Please, I'm not.

1143
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: I'm open to those discussions, but I'm not forcing them.

1144
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm not forcing them. Like we're fortunate enough to be

1145
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: able to finance some of these ideas and execute them

1146
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: in a way that they bring back a return. Why'd

1147
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: you stop interviewing rappers? Man? You don't like us battling

1148
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: off rappers like back in the day. You two first,

1149
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: y'all take it too serious. They take it too serious.

1150
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: If you want to know why don't interview rappers, it's

1151
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: because El Nori. I won't say Gilly because I don't know,

1152
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: but I know you and Nori. Y'all niggas nor get

1153
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: mad if somebody get well, we did banks the recipe sovein.

1154
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: He was so mad. We didn't want mas was blowed up.

1155
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: He was blowing up so bad Oh no, he was,

1156
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah he was mad when yeah, there's a few niggas

1157
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: like NOORI will tell you mad that you wouldn't chat

1158
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: with them niggas, right, So that's hilarious. But still I

1159
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: still interview. I'm just not gonna make it like y'all

1160
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: will make it like the people will make it a

1161
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: big deal all to blow up y'all, highlight y'all, the pedestals,

1162
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: the people like you're supposed to. It's not too many

1163
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: of them that I want a pedestal. I don't really

1164
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: funk with all of them.

1165
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: So but then we say the old regalize is that

1166
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: you have to be the one who's so good you

1167
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: don't need guests, right, Like you sort of epitomize that too, right,

1168
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: you don't you want to be line on getting get

1169
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: great guests, yourself, have to be.

1170
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: The entertaining force of it, of the program. But that's

1171
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: a good way to look at it. You want to

1172
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: be good enough that you don't need them. For me,

1173
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: it was always I was too scared to rely on anything,

1174
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: like I didn't want to have to rely on I

1175
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 2: guess I was never that well liked. I mean, is

1176
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: really going to show up man. But the people that

1177
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 2: the people that come and fuck with me, I have

1178
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: a relationship with them or somebody really really really close

1179
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: to them. Other than that, niggas can't just some some

1180
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 2: of these do be trying to pop up in town.

1181
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: Story like that. It just happened to be walking around Strea. No.

1182
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: But but listen, I like that. There's so many places

1183
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: for rappers to go because I don't want to talk

1184
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: to them, but I certainly to hear from them and

1185
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: hear hear more about them, So I like it.

1186
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 3: I guess it would be a good A and R too,

1187
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 3: because in some ways irresponsible for Don Tolliver's success.

1188
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: Right, I'm never going to say that, but I'll say,

1189
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: shout out to him. He's killing. His last album is phenomenal, man.

1190
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: But what's the time with that? Don't know? Oh, when

1191
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: he came up, he came up to Complex. He told

1192
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: the story on my part recently, he came up to

1193
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: Complex with his man. He came to New York let

1194
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: me not say Complex from Houston with his man and

1195
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: it was sleep in the car and catch people in

1196
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: the early morning with their music. So they caught they

1197
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: caught me. They caught me in front of the complex

1198
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: at like six in the morning and it's it's footage

1199
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: of it and nothing came from it, but hearing him

1200
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: say it lit the fire and let him know that

1201
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: do this and these people were accessible and they could

1202
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: reach out to me. He was that so shouted Donald's

1203
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: super I'm super happy for him. We're trying to get

1204
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: him on the program. Y'all should be to get down.

1205
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 2: He came out, Now, yeah that about it. I know

1206
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: you will. I was like, wait, Donald, I'm right now, Yeah,

1207
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: you always get the big, big one now, yeah, Like

1208
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: that's I feel like that because of that, though, I

1209
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: don't like the thing with the number eight.

1210
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: For me, I feel like people kind of don't know

1211
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: how to rank me or like they should be like

1212
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm an outlier.

1213
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: Why what you like? Because listen is bullship.

1214
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: No I'm saying, but even our podcasts, I feel like

1215
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: I get tired of people being like, well, the rap

1216
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: right you know, wrap hip hop.

1217
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: Podcast, But in no, they don't mention rap right on,

1218
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 2: they don't mention it the same way. Why do you

1219
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: think that is?

1220
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: Because I think you look at us as like a

1221
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: certain journalism or different standard, and I'm the O G.

1222
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: And beat out, and it's like, we're.

1223
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: Not allowed to be kind of ranked with you guys

1224
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: because you guys are the ex players or whatever.

1225
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's what do you

1226
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: think that is?

1227
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: I think it's just because it's celebrity driven. I look

1228
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 3: at you, know you, Norri Gilly got A celebrities.

1229
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: What do you say about the hundreds of other successful

1230
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: podcasters that are not celebrities. I'm talking about our space,

1231
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: like in hip hop space. I guess, well, I know

1232
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: what I know.

1233
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think in a hip hop space like

1234
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 3: you guys have something in common. Like Elliott said, X players.

1235
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I don't. I

1236
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: really don't care personally. I just have my own my

1237
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: own I want to hear it, but am I allowed

1238
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: to give it here? Of course, this is a place

1239
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 3: of love because because let me find a different way.

1240
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: You could be honest, y'all, we love you. Whatever you

1241
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: gotta say. Buddy, Well, y'all are bigger than rap Radar. Okay,

1242
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: that's what the problem is. Well, a person out of us, individually, gotcha, Elliott,

1243
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: Wilson and b Dot are bigger than rad Radar. So

1244
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: we got to bring ourselves, Wilson. I just told y'all

1245
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: twenty minutes ago. I just see the value in people

1246
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: and things. I believe this. I'm not saying that because

1247
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: y'all sitting here. But nobody is going to put rap radar.

1248
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: Not too much on Roseenburg easy, easy, not too much

1249
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: of Roburg common, but no one's gonna put rap raddar

1250
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 2: in the same breath as Okay, what you said, Joe, Button, Hilly,

1251
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 2: Norrie and whoever else they name it.

1252
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: So do you think this is the so do you

1253
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: think this is the age of kind of self branding

1254
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: in a sense like that, that these are the brands,

1255
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: the individuals are the brands more.

1256
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 2: So than well, well, yeah i've been I've been thought that,

1257
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: but not to say that you can't get by it

1258
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 2: as an entity or with an entity. But in this space,

1259
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: the people that love us and y'all, they don't love

1260
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 2: or they're not connected to the same way. Yeah, that's

1261
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: a clean way to say that. Yeah, if this work

1262
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: l A and B Doc and y'all did the same

1263
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: amount of work that y'all already do, you're already to

1264
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: the hardest working men of your business than you. And

1265
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: if y'all took that same work and just switch the

1266
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: name like I did. Yeah, I think people would look

1267
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: at it different because they put you here out of

1268
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: respect and on the strip of L the name the

1269
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: value that L carries. But mm hmm, sainy nothing else.

1270
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 2: Don't give me in trouble love how much it's going

1271
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: to cost us. It's consulting in the same man, it

1272
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: ain't consing because y'all gonna do it. Y'all you win

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 2: three six. But but I think that even if even

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: y'all should do it like concurrently, like we is zombie

1275
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: about not doing Patreon yet he's in summer, knucklehead. I

1276
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: can't give up. I can't tell you how stupid you are.

1277
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: You have one of you, one of the one you

1278
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: did with your like I say, who the person is?

1279
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: I know I do the one when you're talking to me.

1280
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 2: And because you my man, I thought to text you

1281
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: the night before and say I had to tap you

1282
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: a little bit, little little tap tap tap. But then

1283
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: I was like, oh wait, I ain't saying no names.

1284
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: Maybe you know.

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01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: But as soon as I said I hadn't read my part,

1286
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: I was like, that's me. But yeah, nobody in the comments.

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01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: Don't even talk about me.

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01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: I had all obvious. It was so obvious. I was like, Yo,

1289
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: just talking to me. That was crazy. Yo, why the crazy?

1290
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: Why did you say it? I'm crazy? Like because you too,

1291
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: you're too happy in life. You you married, you married,

1292
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: you got some money. You the man sheet a man,

1293
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: y'all move, you're comfortable, you'll to the man. I know.

1294
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 2: So you're comfortable and you look like the thig that

1295
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 2: couldn't get out. I'm not.

1296
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: I just i' might have to just do you see,

1297
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: I'm getting hyped up all that old ex EXCELSIU.

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: So I think I's about to I might have to

1299
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,919
Speaker 2: go back into it. But I'm laughing at him posting

1300
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: that XXL shit, because dog, you are laying your own

1301
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: case as to why you stupid. You should have all

1302
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: of that ship big and then go and do your

1303
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 2: company man ship that you do. But on the side,

1304
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't handle that. Build yourself. And you've been here

1305
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: from the start watching all of this shit happen. It

1306
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: just it just I don't get it. I do not

1307
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 2: get it. I don't get it.

1308
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: What can we have kind of separated a little bit,

1309
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: you know, Elliott was doing Crown I had to show

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01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 3: in complex.

1311
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: Y'all not hearing me. You're still naming all these people.

1312
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: Crown is who it's elliots, Right, Okay, we're not gonna talk.

1313
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: Still a little shadow, that's a little shot. Still all right.

1314
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying to y'all to build y'all, and you're telling

1315
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: me about everything else. I'm saying, build y'all while you're

1316
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: doing Crown. This complex. MTV used them to market y'all

1317
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: and then rewrap all of the money to y'all because

1318
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: y'all will get paid more. Easy, not too much of Roseenberg. Easy, easy, easy.

1319
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't beep nobody today, including him. See why gout

1320
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 2: you happy? You're happy now? Yeah, but look at all

1321
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: the turmoil I had to go through. It All I

1322
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: had to go through to get happy. Ship was turboil

1323
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 2: to the x Excel ship was turboil. That was That

1324
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: was a tough time, scary time. Yeah, but that was

1325
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: a tough time. And oh whatever, No, I got you.

1326
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: We are in twenty twenty three, Ai Drake tracks. No,

1327
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 2: I just heard Biggie and the Weekend. I'm hearing all

1328
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 2: types of shit out of here. Yeah, I spice record,

1329
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah right now, we're going yeah, if you're talking about

1330
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 2: oh oh whatever, No, man, we gonna be damn there

1331
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. This shit is zooming by or

1332
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: zooming by rest in peace. My man. Billy hit the

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: lot of for three hundred million dollars and died three

1334
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. Now, yeah, wow, Billy and Madden. Every

1335
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 2: day for forty fifty years, he went to the same

1336
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: store and played the same numbers, right, And then one

1337
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: morning he was running late for work, so he went

1338
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: to a different store, and he hopped out and played

1339
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 2: the same numbers at a difference store and hit for

1340
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars as a man in his late sixties,

1341
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: and all he knows is harmlem, I'm here to take

1342
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: care of my mom and I'm not believing. And you

1343
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 2: get that that that before fixing that hind you get

1344
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: how many years you get from it. But at some

1345
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 2: point all of this is gonna end. And that's the

1346
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: message I carried with it like I try to that

1347
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: should I say at the end of the party's real

1348
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: life is a series of moments and moments past. Let's

1349
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 2: make this last. I mean that shit, because at the

1350
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: blink of eye could all be all be done. I

1351
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 2: checked myself when all I cam chill meet me a

1352
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: little location. It's like, dog, you know, I can't even

1353
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 2: say it because I can't say it, but I can't

1354
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: do this with you. All right, man, I'm glad you

1355
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 2: did this with us. Man. Thank you Joe, y'all on

1356
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 2: I told me that last time I saw him. Yeah, like,

1357
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 2: y'all on my list when any time you need me,

1358
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm here. Thank you for coming on my show. To

1359
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: the Complex, guys, didn't think you were going to show up,

1360
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 2: but why confirm it?

1361
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like this guy's being nice, like this

1362
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 3: is the first time you returned since the departure, so

1363
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 3: it's like you're gonna get you.

1364
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I guess we could call them up,

1365
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 2: and you showed up. I think that was the precursor

1366
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 2: for the list. I was gonna say, yeah, y yeah,

1367
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 2: that was like a temp check. They probably thought that,

1368
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Joe's man. But I'm appreciative to everybody

1369
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: who helped, right, Like help is so hard to come by.

1370
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 2: Complex helped, Spotify helped Elliott helped helped help Elliot, like

1371
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: those people that Rosenberg helped Rose Rosenberg's help. But he

1372
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: was at the usher show people that two steps. I

1373
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: didn't know he's behind me. Shot. I'm here, like, I'm

1374
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: not looking behind me. I am here to see one man.

1375
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: But it was good to hear from him, right. But

1376
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: just look at that, your media, your media dude had

1377
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: usher with his like, I like to see that, and

1378
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: I loved it. I'm tied into the Joe Budden me

1379
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: the mogul rids that I have my time. Yeah, you

1380
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 2: fucking that's why all these niggas did me. I was

1381
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 2: confused because so many of them, well maybe not the

1382
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 2: niggas this me contributed to me, Like, I feel like

1383
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm a student of fucking e Bro and Calm Badge.

1384
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: You had to kick me under the table, y'all wake up.

1385
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 2: This is a talk break coming. Get from under the

1386
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: table and get on them. Crack the mic. I thought

1387
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: that in the morning. If the morning you're started in five,

1388
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: you can get there five. Oh man, I thought that too.

1389
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: Some guys like I was a nut. So thank you, Bro,

1390
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 2: thank you to Tracy Elliott. Any it's too many, it's

1391
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 2: too many names, too many name. But the niggas that

1392
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: didn't help. Oh, it's up. It's up too late. Great master,

1393
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm here now, I gotta fight the work ethic. Man,

1394
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: it's phenomenal. Thank you, Elliott, thank you. I appreciate that.

1395
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: It inspires me too, so thank you, saying to you brothers,

1396
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 2: there we go. Anytime. You're kind and gracious enough to

1397
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: have me back. I like that. I like the driver

1398
01:14:55,160 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: drop me off the wrong spot, clearly said east, nigga,

1399
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: just west. I'm I'm gonna test you, but that it'd

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 2: be like a like en route and I'm so poch.

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01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 2: I know you want to let me know how follow

1402
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 2: you out? I said, I'm woman to what like you know?

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01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 2: Eleven eight? I got out and just stood around. I said,

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: says what Wow? And outside is back. Yeah, it's Randy's

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 2: Joe budden Weather right now. It's coming that heavy. I

1406
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: loved it, Ray, I'm talking the trafficing, the people. Yeah,

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: it's nuts that I took another twenty five to get

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: over here, but I liked this. I think we made it.

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Speaker 2: Yes we did, Thank you, Jordan podcast Yeah Yeah. Rap

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